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Thursday, July 20, 2006
Chuck Colson :: Townhall.com Columnist
The veto
by Chuck Colson
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Yesterday President Bush vetoed a bill that, had it become law, would have deeply eroded respect for human life. It was a courageous act because there was enormous pressure on him to agree to fund more embryo-destructive research.

After vetoing this bill, the president signed one for funding research into methods of creating pluripotent stem cells—the kind that can be turned into many types of body tissue without creating or killing human embryos.

Not surprisingly, there was an outpouring of vitriol directed not only against the president but also against conservative Christians. A full-page ad in the New York Times, funded by a liberal front group called DefConAmerica, screamed, “The religious right is imposing its will on all Americans. . . . That loud noise you hear is the wall between church and state crumbling.”

Wait a minute. Aren’t Christians allowed to have a voice in politics like everybody else, or has the First Amendment been repealed?

Other critics claim Bush is anti-science. The bill he vetoed was about funding, not banning research—billions in taxpayer money for something private companies refuse to support. Why? Because the prospects of it leading to any cures are very poor. As President Reagan said when he outlawed stem-cell research: If private companies won’t put up their money, why should the taxpayers? Good question.

Another argument we hear is that embryonic stem-cell researchers only want to use so-called “spare” embryos left over from in vitro fertilization. False: Many researchers really want to engage in so-called “therapeutic cloning”—the cloning of huge numbers of embryos in the attempt to find cures for diseases, to which the bill the president vetoed would have opened the door.

Another false claim is that we ought to proceed with this research because everybody else is doing it. That would be news in Canada, Norway, Switzerland, and Australia, where cloning research is illegal. Both Germany and France have embraced the same position President Bush has.

The supporters of embryo-destructive research want to cross a great moral divide. They are seeking not only to destroy human life made in God’s image but also to manufacture life made in man’s image. Tragically, we are losing this fight, however, because too few people understand the issues.

That’s why I recommend an excellent new book called How to Be a Christian in a Brave New World. The authors are bioethicist Nigel Cameron and Joni Eareckson Tada. Nigel and Joni grapple brilliantly with the brave new world of biotech challenges -- stem-cell research, cloning, euthanasia, even the reshaping of human nature.

The authors -- both good friends of mine -- believe that Christians need to be well informed in order to argue the case about these new technologies and what they really mean. This book is going to help Christians sort out the arguments and see through the propaganda.

I hope you’ll read this book and share it with your church, and you can find out information about it on our website. The secular world wants us to pipe down; but as Christians and as citizens, we need to speak out when it comes to new technologies that may lead us down the seductive path to a Brave New World and killing humans.


For further reading and information:

Nigel Cameron and Joni Eareckson Tada, How to Be a Christian in a Brave New World (Zondervan, 2006). Also available is the conversation between Nigel and Joni (CD): “Bioethics and the Christian.”

BreakPoint Commentary No. 060227, “The Biotech Century: Dream or Nightmare?

BreakPoint Commentary No. 060517, “The Greatest Good for the Greatest Number.”

Jordan Ballor, “A Monster Created in Man’s Image,” BreakPoint Online, 18 July 2006.

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Chuck Colson was the Chief Counsel for Richard Nixon and served time in prison for Watergate-related charges. In 1976, Colson founded Prison Fellowship Ministries, which, in collaboration with churches of all confessions and denominations, has become the world's largest outreach to prisoners, ex-prisoners, crime victims, and their families.
 
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Stem Cell
I am glad he vetoed the bill and that congress could not override his veto.

Christian ethic confronts science...
Modern science has no ethics. Its only concern is advancement. Therefore, it can justify the destruction of unborn human life to harvest raw materials for research. Appealing to a higher authority, President Bush said no to autonomous science.

The culture recoils at this authority. The world is all there is. An authority outside nature is nonsense because autonomous science has said so. We need no creator to explain our existence. Man is not special; he is just part of nature. The natural has overwhelmed the spiritual, or nature has eaten up grace as Mr. Schaeffer would say.

The Bible says that there is a creator of heaven and earth. Although man is fallen he still bears the image of the creator. He is not worthless. Nature is not all there is. The infinite and personal God has spoken and invites all men to know Him through the redemption Christ wrought out on the cross.


Chuck.....
....gives us some materials to read to support his views. Well, I'm still waiting for him to read "Misquoting Jesus".

And what kind of representative democracy do we have when 70% of the people are shut out? There will be further repercussions to the Republicans in November, and if not, then no one is paying attention. Did we forget Terry Schiavo already, and the President's response then? I haven't. And I hope everyone else has not forgotten either.

Constitutionality?
Where in the constitution does it authorize the federal government to provide funding for stem cell research? That's the one and only reason needed to veto and defeat this bill.

What came first the chicken or the egg?
What's hysterical is that liberal revisionism has convinced the masses that Christians are the ones trying to impose their values on everyone. Our wonderful country, blessed by the Lord, was founded by Christians with Christian values. In fact, only because of these values and God's blessings have we been able to create and sustain the most powerful, successful civilization in the history of the world. Liberals are in full tilt boogie frantically tring to impose their perverse immorality on America by using the freedoms and systems given them by this great Christian nation. Thank you President Bush and God bless your faithfulness.

What came first the chicken or the egg?
What's hysterical is that liberal revisionism has convinced the masses that Christians are the ones trying to impose their values on everyone. Our wonderful country, blessed by the Lord, was founded by Christians with Christian values. In fact, only because of these values and God's blessings have we been able to create and sustain the most powerful, successful civilization in the history of the world. Liberals are in full tilt boogie frantically tring to impose their perverse immorality on America by using the freedoms and systems given them by this great Christian nation. Thank you President Bush and God bless your faithfulness.

as usual
as usual lies from the right. you do not want to fund education, health care and say that if the private sector is not doing it why should we then i guess we should get rid of nasa weapon experiments. we should get rid of star wars and fda, faa, and dumbya

Stem Cell
Hal,

You should understand that much of my viewpoint on this subject stems from the fact that I am, likely, atheist or at best agnostic. I long ago decided that all of the thousands of religions that have existed in the world are mostly evil and not worth keeping around. I would point to the Middle East, Kosovo, Somalia, etc for recent examples.

After vetoing this bill, the president signed one for funding research into methods of creating pluripotent stem cells—the kind that can be turned into many types of body tissue without creating or killing human embryos.

I have yet to see or hear any trained, credentialed scientist exclaim that pluripotent stems cells will work. If someone can do that fine but it is not a fact. The risk is much higher than with embryonic cells which Colson already claims are very uncertain in terms of beneficial outcome. The guy does make a lot of coherent sense frankly.

Not surprisingly, there was an outpouring of vitriol directed not only against the president but also against conservative Christians.

I hear and read stuff all the time that conservative Christians are hated and vilified. I don't believe it is actually true. I think it is propaganda they dream up. I don't know many so maybe I'm wrong.

To the extent that conservative Christians do get critiqued they bring it on themselves. Think Intelligent Design. Think Terry Schiavo. Think the Ten Commandments in a court house. Think prayer in school. Think "God" in the pledge. Think "The Rapture".

Mr Colson wonders if Christians aren't allowed a voice in politics - has the first amendment been repealed?

I'd say to him, sir, you can talk secular politics all you want but U.S. politics has no place for your theology or your junk science. I do not need you or you religious beliefs to guide my life - even if I am an atheist. That has not stopped me from leading a life free of crime, getting an education, enjoying a rewarding career, raising a fine family, serving in the armed forces or anything else noble and worthy.

If you keep your beliefs where they belong - inside your church and out of my way - we will get along just fine and can have some good debates. Much of this scribble, however, is devoted to addressing the damage Christianity does by trying to impose its beliefs on a secular and scientific society. A society which owes much of its success precisely to secularism and the pursuit of science.

I think separation of church and state is one of the most valuable protections the American people have. I would again point to the Mid East as a great example of what happens when church and state get intertwined. You can say what you want about SH, and I'm not defending him, but he did keep church and state separate. In that part of the world his methods may have been the only ones that worked - even if they did offend "Christian" sensibilities.

By the way I do not see a lot of information on "Christian" sensibilities when it comes to war and mass murder.

The bill he vetoed was about funding, not banning research—billions in taxpayer money for something private companies refuse to support. Why? Because the prospects of it leading to any cures are very poor.

Ah yes, the old Government is good for nothing argument - unless they are contributing to my causes. If private companies will not tackle a problem then it must not be worth taking on. Rubbish!

Try the interstate highway system. Try space exploration. Try the Internet. Try much of medical research. Try much ocean and atmospheric research not related to oil. There are many, many more examples.

Why are there now only two companies making flu vaccine in the U.S.? Would even they do it if the government didn't place large orders? Should we just ignore research on new vaccines, easier and quicker to produce and more effective, because industry doesn't get a guaranteed profit and won't invest even if hundreds of thousands of people die in a pandemic which we know will come someday? Maybe even before the Rapture?

I don't care what Reagan said. He was wrong and this "government is waste" is a specious argument. Like any private enterprise I have ever known, government does screw up from time to time. Get over it. On balance it does much more good than harm and we could make it a lot better if we tried, just a little, to root out corruption and voted for intelligent people.

And, oh yeah, Bush is as ignorant of science as any president in my lifetime. He is not only ignorant he does not care about science especially if it fails to support his politics and - yes - I have to say his religion. See his influences on climate science and birth-control science for a few examples. This is another strong argument for separation of church and state.

See his outrageous waste of government money funding "faith-based initiatives" in every major sector (department) of the government. In fact, let's turn this argument around. If faith based initiatives are so valuable and important why is it that religions will not invest in them without government help?

Another argument we hear is that embryonic stem-cell researchers only want to use so-called "spare" embryos left over from in vitro fertilization.

Well, I was under the impression the bill specifically limited research to the use of those wasted from in vitro fertilization. Show me where it said different. The use of "snow flakes" at the press conference was cute. It still leaves hundreds of thousands to be disposed of. Without ceremony or burial. Or Christian blessings.

Another false claim is that we ought to proceed with this research because everybody else is doing it. That would be news in Canada, Norway, Switzerland, and Australia, where cloning research is illegal.

This statement conveniently leaves out Great Britain, Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, India and other places. Who do you think our biggest competitors are? Just how many places does it take for this to become real and available to the world? Do you realize how many Americans are already going to India for major surgeries because of low cost?

The supporters of embryo-destructive research want to cross a great moral divide. They are seeking not only to destroy human life made in God's image but also to manufacture life made in man's image.

This is an interesting dichotomy. If you don't like man playing God, Mr. Colson - which I take is the point - then do not allow either in vitro fertilization or stem cell research. You can't have it both ways. Is it OK for man to create life in "God's Image" but not to, so called, take it? For it is certain that none of these issues would arise if in vitro fertilization were banned. None of those "snowflakes' would have been born to appear on stage with Bush. Nor would a large number of desperately wanted children.

You imply human cloning in your article. That is a scare tactic and I'm sure you know it. There was no provision for cloning. And let's get our terms right and not throw them around loosely. Cloning and in vitro fertilization are different things. Scientifically, if you get what I mean.

If I granted you the existence of your God, based on ancient documents of uncertain authorship, what would lead you believe it was NOT your God's will that mankind struggle to better himself, to understand his world and to avoid plague and pestilence and debilitating disease? How do you conclude that throwing away, ignominiously, a resource of great potential benefit to mankind is somehow better than letting it live on in a different form and body and contribute?

I mean, according to Christianity, the body is ashes to ashes - only the spirit lives on. Why wouldn't these in vitro spirits live on as well?

Tragically, we are losing this fight, however, because too few people understand the issues.

I hope, Mr Colson, that you do lose this fight. Mankind will be better off if you do. If you do lose it will not be because I don't understand the issues. It will be because you are a very muddled thinker.

Dear Bobby Perdriau
In your "post" (please note the quotation marks; they are intentional) you not simultaneously manage to contradict yourself, but you prove us Christians correct by your very own statements. Congratulations! And I'll prove it by this statement "Not surprisingly, there was an outpouring of vitriol directed not only against the president but also against conservative Christians." Then this one: "I hear and read stuff all the time that conservative Christians are hated and vilified. I don't believe it is actually true. I think it is propaganda they dream up." And then this: "To the extent that conservative Christians do get critiqued they bring it on themselves. Think Intelligent Design. Think Terry Schiavo. Think the Ten Commandments in a court house. Think prayer in school. Think "God" in the pledge. Think 'The Rapture.'" So just which is it, Bobby -- propaganda we make up or actual criticism?

And to continue, there are these gems concerning Christain involvement in politics: "you can talk secular politics all you want but U.S. politics has no place for your theology or your junk science. I do not need you or you religious beliefs to guide my life - even if I am an atheist," followed by "If you keep your beliefs where they belong - inside your church and out of my way - we will get along just fine and can have some good debates."

Let me guess -- you believe in tolerance, open-mindedness, equality, and all the rest of the foofaw peddled by the Left. Bobby, we both know you don't any real debate -- you want our side to keep quiet. Needless to say, this ain'ta gonna happen, and I truly hope you get used to life in the future Christian republic that we intend to build on this portion of the North American continent.

Response to Robert Lee
Robert,

Much of your counter-argument and confusion over what I said is due to a formatting problem with this forum. (Or I got too clever in formatting my message.) I sent it with Colson quotes indented and in color in an attempt to make who said what plain. All that got wiped out when it posted and everything got run together without quotation marks. Sorry, but you are attributing some things Colson said to me and vs.

You do get some of my views correct and I stand by them. I voiced opinions to which I have given considerable thought over a lifetime. It should be OK to do that and for you to respond.

One of the most easily defensible of my arguments you ignored in your response. That is that this is going to happen in several places in the world no matter what you want or believe. I'd add that it will happen in countries with which the U.S. competes strongly and which have little or no Christian influence - certainly not at the level of mass culture.

Of course, you don't have to go to one of those countries to get treated in the future if you need it. Your choice. But this Genie is out of the bag, Robert, and all the U.S. laws and all the praying in the world are not going to make this global issue go away.

Not even Robert E. Lee is likely to change my mind. See you at Appomattox?

And the Theocratic Voice is heard...
". . . and I truly hope you get used to life in the future Christian republic that we intend to build on this portion of the North American continent."
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