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Thursday, August 14, 2008
Charles Krauthammer :: Townhall.com Columnist
Time To Get Serious With Russia
by Charles Krauthammer
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WASHINGTON -- The Russia-Georgia cease-fire brokered by France's president is less than meets the eye. Its terms keep moving as the Russian army keeps moving. Russia has since occupied Gori (appropriately, Stalin's birthplace), effectively cutting Georgia in two. The road to the capital, Tbilisi, is open, but apparently Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has temporarily chosen to seek his objectives through military pressure and Western acquiescence rather than by naked occupation.

His objectives are clear. They go beyond detaching South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia and absorbing them into Russia. They go beyond destroying the Georgian army, leaving the country at Russia's mercy.

The real objective is the Finlandization of Georgia through the removal of President Mikheil Saakashvili and his replacement by a Russian puppet.

Which explains Putin stopping the Russian army (for now) short of Tbilisi. What everyone overlooks in the cease-fire terms is that all future steps -- troop withdrawals, territorial arrangements, peacekeeping forces -- will have to be negotiated between Russia and Georgia. But Russia says it will not talk to Saakashvili. Thus regime change becomes the first requirement for any movement on any front. This will be Putin's refrain in the coming days. He is counting on Europe to pressure Saakashvili to resign and/or flee to "give peace a chance."

The Finlandization of Georgia would give Russia control of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, which is the only significant European-bound route for Caspian Sea oil and gas that does not go through Russia. Pipelines are the economic lifelines of such former Soviet republics as Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan that live off energy exports. Moscow would become master of the Caspian basin.

Subduing Georgia has an additional effect. It warns Russia's former Baltic and East European satellites what happens if you get too close to the West. It is the first step to re-establishing Russian hegemony in the region.

What is to be done? Let's be real. There's nothing to be done militarily. What we can do is alter Putin's cost-benefit calculations.

We are not without resources. There are a range of measures to be deployed if Russia does not live up to its cease-fire commitments:

1. Suspend the NATO-Russia Council established in 2002 to help bring Russia closer to the West. Make clear that dissolution will follow suspension. The council gives Russia a seat at the NATO table. Message: Invading neighboring democracies forfeits the seat.

2. Bar Russian entry to the World Trade Organization.

3. Dissolve the G-8. Putin's dictatorial presence long made it a farce but no one wanted to upset the bear by expelling it. No need to. The seven democracies simply withdraw. Then immediately announce the reconstitution of the original G-7.

4. Announce a U.S.-European boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics at Sochi. To do otherwise would be obscene. Sochi is 15 miles from Abkhazia, the other Georgian province just invaded by Russia. The Games will become a riveting contest between the Russian, Belarusian and Jamaican bobsled teams.

All of these steps (except dissolution of the G-8, which should be irreversible) would be subject to reconsideration depending upon Russian action -- most importantly and minimally, its withdrawal of troops from Georgia proper to South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

The most crucial and unconditional measure, however, is this: Reaffirm support for the Saakashvili government and declare that its removal by the Russians would lead to recognition of a government-in-exile. This would instantly be understood as providing us the legal basis for supplying and supporting a Georgian resistance to any Russian-installed regime.

President Bush could cash in on his close personal relationship with Putin by sending him a copy of the highly entertaining (and highly fictionalized) film "Charlie Wilson's War" to remind Vlad of our capacity to make Russia bleed. Putin would need no reminders of the Georgians' capacity and long history of doing likewise to invaders.

President Bush needs to make up for his mini-Katrina moment when he lingered in Beijing yukking it up with our beach volleyball team while Putin flew to North Ossetia to direct the invasion of a neighboring country. Bush is dispatching Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to France and Georgia. Not a moment too soon. Her task must be to present these sanctions, get European agreement on as many as possible and begin imposing them, calibrated to Russian behavior. And most important of all, to prevent any Euro-wobbliness on the survival of Georgia's democratically elected government.

We have cards. We should play them. Much is at stake.

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Note Obama-Chamberlain
And that brings us to a final point: can you imagine the press reaction if a Republican president (or even a candidate) hid from direct questioning from the media for five days during an acute international crisis? The media is still too enamored of The One to mention it, but Obama’s reclusiveness is odd in the extreme and deeply troubling. Isn’t he capable of directly engaging the American people except via a stream of ever-migrating written statements prepared by his gang of 300 advisors? It really is time for Barack Obama to step out from behind the palm trees and start answering tough questions (e.g. Why did you equate victim and victimizer as your first reaction? What precisely would you do now?). It is not becoming of a presidential nominee to go to the movies while war erupts and our international credibility teeters on the brink of utter collapse. It’s certainly not inspiring confidence in his ability to navigate during an international crisis. Voters should take note.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/202 72

Missing in Action
It's 3am. Where is the presumptive Democratic nominee?

Well, he's on vacation, trying to figure out how to fake it through this crisis. Calling for both sides to show restraint is like telling Poland to chill as the Germans came across the border. He's "modified" his stance since then, as everyone knew he would, but we've come to expect that from him. Spin it till you win it.

Better Start Building Refineries Now
The Russian tanks and hardware looked pretty impressive; Russia has been building up their military while America's back was turned. Since we don't know exactly what military toys Russia has, we'd best prepare ourselves for the worst. Since we don't know exactly what Russia's intentions are, or how far they're going to push outward, we'd best start building refineries and drilling NOW. If things get ugly in the world, America must be prepared and fully capable of producing everything we need. For so many reasons, we need to start building refineries and start bringing it up out of the ground. Fighter pilots and tanks don't run on renewable or alternative energy-- Our freedom depends on oil.

Someone in Congress, please mention this to Nancy. She needs to be aware of what it takes to keep America safe. In fact, I think Nancy Pelosi should be removed from her position based on her poor judgement and lack of concern for the well-being of America. Her new promise to talk about drilling and voting on it is a sham. We know full well that Nancy will do everything in her power to make sure America doesn't drill; some small, nonsensical issue blocking it.

Come to think of it, China doesn't appear to be a weakling either, does it? China has come a long, long way since we last had a good look. America is going to be caught with it's pants down unless we get busy now.



The Psychopath...

Putin's puppets will dance for their master. They will continue to raid and wreck hell upon neighbor Democracies.

The World will soon turn against the puppets...

For that is Putin's plan.

Once Russia is pitted against the world. Once Russian politicians are 'split' between aggression and peace. Once disarray befalls Mother Russia... Beware...

For Putin will ride in. Long knives in hand. Resurrecting what he has always kept hidden behind that mask.

We have ignored Evil. Evil has not ignored us.

Note Obama-Chamberlain
J,DHMCIR:

I can't agree that BHO has ducked the issue. He has clearly and forcefully called on "both sides" to show restraint. His realpolitic – honed in his many months in the Illinois legislature -- understands the moral equivalence between the Russians and Georgians, just as he undoubtedly grasps the need for the KGB to protect the ethnic Russian minority from Georgian atrocities (channeling Chamberlain , who understood why the SS needed to protect the persecuted German minority in Sudetenland).

It is clear that BHO’s nuanced approach will allow us to tamp down the “cycle of violence” between Russian and Georgia. In fact, his non-interventionist approach will end our antagonism of terrorists worldwide and ensure that if they attack Americans, at least it won’t be in some remote part of the world

Liberals' weakness and 50+MLN death
Peace-loving Liberals in 1939 had opened the door to an enormous bloodshed of at least 50MLN people in the WWII.
What the same Liberals' weakness is going to bring to us today?
Oh, sorry, I forgot: we have a great institution called the UN.
Of course, only "right-wing war-mongers" (like myself, for instance) would pay an attention to a insignificant fact that there are over there the same Russians vetoing whatever they want...

Silver Lining
At least the liberals should be happy.

The silliness of allowing people to run free -- to conduct their affairs and their commerce without any central direction -- is being brought to heel. Thank God there are men like Vladimir Putin who grasp the need for firm governance by a far-removed central authority.

Start drilling now
5. Start drilling now - stop subsidizing Russian military machine. Democrats in congress have blood of inocents on their hands

Force the Saudis to get more oil on the market. They helped us destroy USSR once, they will help us again. Low oil prices is our best negotiation tool with Putin.

Russia has money now. We don't
The pitiful past and present Congressional folk have placed us in a terrible position and we must rebel strongly. Russia chokes oil, China calls it notes when due and we put our military on another front and old farts like me will pay with our Social Security, the whole nation will pay because of the bridges to nowhere. Another 20 years and the balance of power is completly sick if not gone.
Don Jones
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There's lots that can be done.
A few things I would add:
Beef up the defenses of the Eastern European countries that were part of the Soviet Union
Let Russia and it's people know some of the costs that they will have to bear because they are now being accounted as an aggressor nation.
They should remember their experience with Afghanistan. They now have an enemy on their southern border that could prove very problematic. If the price of oil falls, as it very well may, then their financial outlook is not so good and they will have a hard time financing this new belligerence.

Excellent article
Charles, congratulations. This was a clear, informational article with concise suggestions for our politicians to follow. I only hope that you can get it to the right people and they will listen. Despite all of our current crises, America is still a Super Power, no matter what all the liberals are whining about. If some of the European countries are too weak to go along with us, we can always quit the U.N.(or at least threaten to) as we should have done long ago, and let them see if they can get along without our support.
Edie B

Russian revanchism
The Russians are working hard to isolate the Central asian Ex-Soviet Republics. The Russians want to teach their former colonies that the West is a weak reed and cannot protect them. Putin and his crowd are trying to establish control the trade between the West and the former Soviet Republics.

And in the meantime
Bristle up big to convince voters the US could take Russia in a heart beat.

Russians are agressors
Anyone who thinks the Russians and Georgians share equal responsibility for the current situation in the Caucasus' has to be deranged or a Russian agent. The Russians have cut Georgia in half, bombed cities across the breath of Georgia, seized the port of Poti, cut off all Georgian contact with the rest of the world and denied international diplomats access to the Georgian capital.

The Russians say they agree to a "truce" and continue to move troops into Georgia.

The post by J,DHMCIR shows no awareness of the scale of the Russian attack. It is not self-defence when a country of 140,000,000 people sends 10-15,000 troops into a country of 4 million and destroys everything in its path.


I can't believe I'm saying this
But on this one, I think both candidates should pull back and let President Bush handle this.

Krauthammer
Mr. Krauthammer should be appointed foreign adviser to the President.

Crisis Score Card
McCain has a 2 - 0 lead of his opponent, Mr. Kumbaya

http://blog.topicaltopics.net/2008/08/crisis-scorecard/

Cold War
Putin has been trying to restart the cold war for the past several years. We should oblige him.

Actually, The best thing we could do
Is send the Townhall ILLEGAL POSTER and Know It All, Robert, to Moscow to negotiate and end to this crisis.
After all, if you read his posts you can just tell that without a doubt he knows, far better than President Bush and everyone HE has been working with to end this crisis, EXACTLY what should be done in this situation.

Robert would arrive in Moscow with his white flag, and a list of all the concessions he's ready to make to Putin, firmly in hand to start giving away everything he can, especially our freedom, to make Putin happy so that he'll "stop" his naked aggression. At least until Wobbie turns his back.

WHAT A MORON!

I'm not convinced
that the Georgian president is a guy we want to ally with, whether in Georgia or in exile. He did to South Ossetia (with our arms, our training, and our trust) exactly what Russia turned around & did to him -- his 4 million piling on 70,000. He was either out to provoke the Bear deliberately (maybe because he senses Obama will be elected) or he is a treacheroous fool who got a dose of what he was dishing out.

Why do we need this guy? NATO is no place for fools or bullies. Raw aggression by a tin-horn democrat is still raw aggression.

The Fat, the Dumb and the Lazy
All the measures suggested by Mr K are the equivalent of spraying Raid at an angry bear. He'll laugh in your face before he tears you up.

As I said on a related thread here (M. Charen, The 3 a.m. phone call is real) Russia's alleged designs upon the world are mere projections. Putin is very likely reacting to our exceedingly stupid, inconsistent, bewildering foreign policy. They have a country to rebuild, which is still in shambles. They have huge resources, but they need and want western knowhow, western goods, western culture, and they want to be recognized as an equal power, not a defeated has-been.

We are the ones with military bases all around them, we are the ones who will invade countries selectively (to set up democracy mind you) while we ignore genocide and mass murder elsewhere, starting with Bush Sr we have had a foreign policy which runs on the principle of "pragmatism" which means no principle at all. Each situation has its own parameters, which means that we love it when Kosovo breaks off of Serbia but Georgia can't let Ossetia ("O'seesha", as the talking heads call her) break away from Georgia.

Electing a complete nullity like Obama to lead us will be all the proof Putin needs that we are not merely fat, stupid and lazy, but also arrogant enough to think we can give the job to absolutely anyone, even to an empty suit, as long as it chants some moronic mantra: chaaaaange....hoooope....hooope....chaaannge, as it leads us into well deserved serfdom.

perpetual conflict a neocon wetdream?
Wasn't Krauthammer shilling for a U.S. or Israeli military attack on Iran just recently?

Now he is shilling for a robust U.S. confrontation with Russian over south Ossetia.

I suspect it is just a matter of time before Krauthammer and other neocon hawks will counsel confrontation with China.

Perpetual neocon wetdreams for war and confrontation.

It is not Putin who is is detaching south Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia.

(I don't deny Putin is an authoritarian Russian nationalist).

But it is the will of the south Ossetians and Abkhazians who favor detachment from Georgia...total independence in the case of Abkhazia, and union with Russia in the case of south Ossetia.

South Ossetians overwhelmingly approved of independence from Georgia by referendums recently. Most identify with Russia, have Russian passports, and want to be united with their north Ossetian brothers(already in Russia).

Seems to be Krauthammer ought to be calling for self determination for south Ossetia.

After all, isn't that what George W. Bush advocated on Kosovo...self determination and statehood for its Muslim inhabitants... independence from Serbia?

But I guess self determination, as practiced by
Bush and neocons, really gets down to whose ox is gored.

"Good" in the case of Kosovo on Serbia.

"Bad" in the case of south Ossetia on Georgia.

Resources?
By proxy, the Russians have attacked us.

This is their view and intent, whether we wish to recognize or acknowledge it or not.

Again we were caught flat footed and I asked the question why? It certainly isn't the amount of money devoted to intel and state.

I agree with pb, jerabaub
I consider myself strong on defense (of the USA and our vital interests.)

And there is no moral equivalency between the Russians and us, especially under Putin.

However, as far as i understand it, the Georgians provoked this by playing tough guy with the south ossetians.

Last time i checked, NATO stood for north ATLANTIC treaty org. The only part of Georgia near the atlantic is Savannah.

We have overreached, and unncessarily provoked russian nationalism by surrounding them with our paper allies. How would we like it if they did similar stuff with us on our Canadian or Mexican border?

Big question
Who crossed who's border first?

Yo, Jerabaub post at 5:46am
Granted Krauthammer is a Neocon usually willing to commit American blood & treasure around the globe. In the instance of Putin's Ruskies invading Georgia I don't think Krauthammer's article is out of line because at this point he's not calling us to send in the marines. However...

What's missing in both Krauthammer & Cal Thomas's articles is if there's going to be a war in Europe to stop the hungry (well fed on oil profits) Russian Bear... that war should be fought by the socialist countries of Germany, Holland, France, Italy, etc... NOT by American soldiers, sailors & marines.

Let the socialist countries of Europe tax their citizens to do battle and die in the war with Russia. Besides, we're already bankrupt and it's not our continent, it's theirs!

Take our military out of Europe and place it along our Southern border. The Mexicans are invading us, not the Russians!

gahotdog


jerabaub,Location: FL
Date: Aug 14, 2008 - 5:46 AM EST
Subject:perpetual conflict a neocon wetdream?

The Georgians were not the Agressors!
For months there has been Ossetian sniper fire into Georgian villages. When a sovereign country's citizens are in peril at the hands of a gang of terrorists does it not have the right to defend itself? "South Ossetia" is not an independent republic; it is part of Georgia; there are both Georgians and Ossetians living in Ossetia. The snipers have been terrorizing these villages for weeks, and the Georgian military was told not to respond. The rest of the world wasn't watching when every night the Ossetians were shelling Georgian villages using Russian weapons. Homes were riddled with bullets and mortars shells were blew in roofs. Villagers begged their government for help. President Saakashvili visited these areas, bringing the Russian Ambassador to show him personally the conditions these people were living in. For several months convoys of Russian military trucks rolled across the border into Georgia supposedly acting as "peacekeepers"; they were intercepted, and their trucks were filled with weapons. The shooting and shelling increased and Georgian military responded, crossing over to take out their positions. Finally last Wednesday Saakashvilil issued a ceasefire, offered Ossetians autonomy, and pleaded with them to stop their aggression. The Georgian side made several attempts to negotiate peacefully with the Ossetians, and they responded with their leader donning military fatigues, and refusing to speak to the Georgians without the Russians being present. The shelling resumed within 12 hours of Saakashvili's statement, so the Georgian military went in and took them out, finding mortars left by the Russian "Peacekeepers"!

Joseph
What twisted lib logic compares an 1860 war in a unified country over state's rights with an oppressive regime's attempt to recover its totalitarian glory? Georgia is not seceding from Russia it is protecting its sovereignty. Our "imperialism" is directily related to UN resolutions with the intent of establishing a democratic, non-threatening country that will not be a supporter of terrorists. It is people like you that don't know history and will be doomed to repeat it.

Memberofthetribe
Obama's clear and forceful statement? you mean the third statement right which would make your subject line a plural (statement x3) That guy needs to continue his vacation, someone needs to make sure he continues to be an unknown for the more we learn of him the less anyone with the intelligence of a knat will vote for him he also has his own Rice as a talking head, the only thing is that Bush's Rice is a worldly knowledgeable human being, Obama's Rice is that... a Rice Krispy with a chip on her shoulder the size of the planet.

In the meantime Dr. Krauthammer's article is a hit way out of the park. Though my heart aches everyday the situation continues to escalate since my husband is in the Military. One thing to push might be letting Georgia into Nato and kicking Vlad out. He has overstayed his welcome.

And as for little boy nation
BO ain't in yet and he aint gonna be.

CARVALLS EXCUSE
Did anyone see Carvell on CNN and his solution to the Russian crisis was BDS. His solution was for us to retreat from Iraq and get our energy situation squared away.

Can anyone please explain how that would stop Russia from doing what they are doing.

If LIBS want to scream about anything they should be screaming on how BILL(THE SCUD MEISTER)CLINTOON destroyed our MILITARY becuase the WALL WAS BROUGHT DOWN and the Cold War was over so we dont need a big military anymore.

The LIBS claim to love and support our troops until they need to cut the DEFICET and make them look good, libs HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING construtive for the Military and they know this to be true.

We need to bring our MILITARY strength back to where it was before the end of the Cold War and we wouldnt have to worry about RUSSIA or anyone else in the world.

Without a military we have NO COUNTRY

SO WAKE UP AMERICA or we will become a PUPPET of the world like GEORGIA and OBLAMA isnt the SOLUTION

Putin is Joe Stalin in a 3 Piece Suit
Once again an "ally" of ours has found out just how much the American Government will come to their aid. Here's a couple of blankets and some food. Mean while do the best you can while we talk to the Russians. Is it any wonder that our Islamo-facists enemies have no problems recruiting terrorists to wage war against the US? Our record of standing behind our allies (like way behind) speaks for itself.

There is only one way to deal with the Russians and talking aint it boys and girls. The Russians only understand Physical Violence: the punch in the nose or the kick in the fanny. Talking or seeking cease fires is only a sign of weakness to them.
Twiaitng their arm and making them say "uncle" gets their attention and makes them stop. Ask the US Hockey Team who beat them in the Olympics.

Dropping a view Tomahawk missles from one of our subs along with a phone call will quickly bring them to their senses, make them stop and impress our allies that we WILL help you.

If Obama becomes president, the Russians will walk over him like a sidewalk.

God help us all.

No wonder we have lost our credibility overseas. We never go to the aid of our allies.

Bush is a short timer. He needs to stand up and punch them in the nose. They will understand that. No one has ever done that to them. No wonder they are thugs.

Talk to them in the language that theycomprehend. Simple as that.

Doomed to Repeat History
If NATO hadn't succumbed to Russian pressure but had instead admitted Ukraine and Georgia this wouldn't have happened.
Russia tested the water with its toe and found it's pleasantly warm.
Last week Krauthammer said he was glad that they hadn't so that no one was obligated to help Georgia. He counted on the situation working itself out because "Georgia is weak and Russia is strong".
We are all weak!
"Don't do anything to make them angry!"
"Don't anybody move and no one will get hurt!"says the hostage taker."Sit down and shut up!"
Everyone can try ignoring Georgia's problem and appease Russia by rewarding its actions with 2 chunks of our ally's country, but we will all be made to suffer for this immoral cowardly response in the end.

Doomed to Repeat History
If NATO hadn't succumbed to Russian pressure but had instead admitted Ukraine and Georgia this wouldn't have happened.
Russia tested the water with its toe and found it's pleasantly warm.
Last week Krauthammer said he was glad that they hadn't so that no one was obligated to help Georgia. He counted on the situation working itself out because "Georgia is weak and Russia is strong".
We are all weak!
"Don't do anything to make them angry!"
"Don't anybody move and no one will get hurt!"says the hostage taker."Sit down and shut up!"
Everyone can try ignoring Georgia's problem and appease Russia by rewarding its actions with 2 chunks of our ally's country, but we will all be made to suffer for this immoral cowardly response in the end.

Joseph
How about we cut a deal?

Republicans will stop talking about "vital interests" if Democrats will stop calling everything they peddle a "crisis".

Kraut's ecstasy
Sounds like my favorite Kraut is so excited he must be typing with one hand.

Here's Andrew Sullivan's perfect analysis:

This is a 1980s Afghanistan gambit, a de facto return to the Cold War, even though Russia is not a global expansionist power any more, and even though it is no longer communist. No thought given, apparently, to the chance that this could backfire on a power now occupying two countries rather closer to Russia than Georgia is to the US. Oh, well. They'll figure that out later. There's Russians to fight!

One thing that baffles me: why does the US need a legal basis for anything in Krauthammer's view?


Weak Response
As a conservative Republican, it saddens me to see the lack of meaningful response by the Bush administration to the Russian invasion of Georgia. Maybe it is because of his low standing in the polls and fear of Democrat criticism, but there is no excuse.

We can only hope that John McCain will provide better leadership when he is President.

As for Baraq Hussein Obama, these events illustrate further why he is an unacceptable candidate. Not only would he allow the Russians to invade this Georgia, but if they invaded our Georgia, his response would probably be to go to the United Nations and ask for sanctions.

The world is still a dangerous place, and we can ill afford an inexperienced amateur with questionable loyalties.

I remember
I was in Germany manning a RADAR scope in 1956, when we backed down in Hungry. I remember Mr. Krucheff(probably misspelled) banging on a table saying we will bury you. I remember someone else saying Americans are weak and don't have the stomach for conflict. "just wait them out". What I don't remember is someone in power standing up and saying "enough is enough. They are allied with us". Will we stand with Isreal when we have to. Not basedon current history.

TH Neo-Chamberlains
I don't know how we acquired such geo-political whizzes on this post but I can't believe what I'm reading. Krauthammer's call for tough diplomacy from NATO (you do know its history and what it stands for, don't you?) might backfire? Take care of rodents in your own backyard?

Any associations with Russia must be used to 1)tell them to get out of Georgia or they will be removed and 2)Georgia will be considered a NATO ally.

I agree troops from NATO should 75% European. I don't think Eastern Europeans will have a problem with that. If you guys don't get off your peacenik, bleeding-heart anti-war stance we will be fighting for another century. Russians/Arabs only know one thing. Strength ie willingness to fight. Oblaba and the dims will never provide it. (See Clinton/Carter)

Fred
How can anyone take your comments seriously given your obvious hatred of Jews?

Longer term
If you look at most of the real pricks in the world, (Ok, not North Korea), they have 1 thing in common. Oil.

The world runs on oil. Even if magic occurred and we instantly created an alternative energy to supplant oil, the infrastructure of the world is based on oil, so for the foreseeable future, oil is power. And we are sitting on a lot of it.

Long term, without a doubt the best way to avoid energy related power games by Russia, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran is to do everything we can do to alter the U.S. energy equation.

And that includes alternative energy research and DRILLING. Of course drilling may not 'help tomorrow' and Nancy and Harry like to say. But what if your kid said they didn't want to go to college because it won't 'help tomorrow'. What would your response be?

A Real Energy Crisis
As old' Nancy and her fellow dems dither and hug the tree huggers, the real energy crisis in the world expands. It is now obvious to all that those who control the world's energy supplies (gas and oil) will eventually control the world. While we sit here like dunces and discuss wind, corn and solar power (and wring our hands about global warmimng, do ya think Putin is concerned about the polar bears or AlGore), the rest of the serious world moves on to consolidate control of the REAL energy resources.

It should be rather apparent that the FRED's of the world and the enviro-freaks are really dedicated leftists who are committed to seeing the end of capitalism and free market economies, as well as the destruction of Israel. They hate the competitive free market and worship at the alter of the all-powerful state. Free and capitalistic Europe is all but gone and forced into non-action against Russia due to their need to guarantee an ongoing energy supply - we will shortly follow.

Thanks Nancy. Say hello to commisar Obama who will be taking his orders directly from Putin, Chavez, Amedjeanian and an assortment of Mullahs and Shieks. Congratulations FRED, the left has probably won, freedom is toast. They won without ever firing a shot at us as we stupidly sat on huge resources left undeveloped.

We are all Georgians -
McCain was right from the start and stood up. Obama was wrong from the start and hid behind his usual namby-pamby "we musn't get too excited here about the annihilation of innocent people and their country" - Obama is, after all, pro "let infants born alive after an attempted abortion die" so whatelse would we expect from the Oblahma Meister.
Germany and other members of NATO who denied Georgia membership because of fear of Russia showed themselves to be cowards and so set Georgia up to be diced and sliced by that coward Putin - Either The Western democracies stand up or we all fall. NATO has a yellow stripe down its back.
We are all Georgians and if we forget it, we will all perish. Thank god for McCain.

Indded!
Slipstream has it right. Let's add here, nuclear powerplants are also needed, especially to power the coming hundreds of thousands of "plug in hybrids".

Develop all sources of energy by all means, while also researching improved solar, wind, etc. Refineries must be built too! We must achieve total enrgy independence and completely expose the total lie of man made Global warming at the same time.

There should also be 1000 F22s in Europe and plenty of AWACs. Somewhere, when the Russians invade some neighbor, there should be a "first Gulf War" style "first cut it off, then kill it" response with overwhelming tech and force taking out 10,000 tanks and troop carriers in one day without using nukes.

All Russian bombers invading other European countries should mysteriously disappear.






The P.S. to Dr. Krauthammers article
What happens if Obama gets elected and then Russia and/or Iran decide to gobble up Israel? This may sound like an impossibility but it isn't.The Russian's are ruthless and if we do not have a strong president in place, they'll eat as much as they want. My worst nightmare is envisioning Obama dealing with that!

The entire scenario is especially frightening since all I do is to vote, blog, and send McCain a donation to his campaign.

Putin as President
I wish we had a president like Putin instead of Bush.
He would defend our borders and invade Mexico for crossing our borders with troops.
He would not prosecute Marines doing their job in war.
He would drill for by executive order.
He would bar Mexican trucks from America.
He would not give Africa 48 billion for a sex disease: aids.
He would have never allowed the enemy to be housed at Gitmo...they would be dead.
He would defend the constitution.
He would end the Iraq war quickly while grabbing up its oil...and the 79 billion they have made...
And Charles for your info....Russia supplies Europe with most of its oil....I don't think Europe is in any position to say anything to Russia.
And, we are broke with a military that is overloaded....with political cowards running the country...along with Miss Condi a total joke in a skirt.

LZStud
If YOU had a president like Putin, you wouldn't be blogging freely, you idiot!

The Monroe Doctrine and Georgia.
President Monroe made it clear to the European powers to stay out of the Americas. At the height of the Cold War, the United States was willing to risk Armageddon in order to prevent the Soviet Union from installing nuclear missiles in Cuba. President Reagan wisely removed the threat of a Soviet Air Force Base on the Island of Grenada in order to maintain a balance of power and protect his country.

Recently, many South American nations (Venezuela, Bolivia, and Ecuador to name a few) made a very hard turn to the left. A few days ago, Venezuela’s President Chavez invited the Russians to build a military base in his country. I sadly report that should the Russians decide to accept the offer, the United States would do little if anything to prevent the base from becoming operational. At present, there is no U.S. will to inject itself into the affairs of other sovereign American nations. If there were, Chavez would have been neutralized by now.

The Monroe Doctrine is as dead as the president who issued it.

The United States is in a very difficult position vis-Ă -vis the Georgia-Russia conflict.

The region is an area that had been in the Soviet sphere of influence. As its successor state, the argument can easily be made that this is now a Russian sphere of influence. If one believes that major powers should respect such spheres, than the U.S. should take a cautious hands-off approach in this war.

It is clear to me that the United States should not contemplate any form of direct military intervention.

However, it is not wise to abandon a faithful ally? And let us not mince words. Putin is an enemy of the United States.

All forms of support short of American soldiers should be contemplated.

Judith
I didn't say a president like Putin Russia, moron. But, a president like him in America with our laws and freedoms.
We did not have to bring them to Gitmo.
We have a constitutional right to invade Mexico, NOW!(they are invading our territory with troops).
Bush could have pardoned the Marines immediately.
He could have not allowed the press to inbed with our troops.
He could by executive order open Anwr.
You miss the point, idiot.

Some observations...
Firstly, Obama is not the president (yet). So anyone criticising his role in this crisis perhaps ought to als consider the current commander in chief's role - sitting watcing swimming, basketball, gymnastics, whatever sprt it might be, anything but devoting his time to the crisis. He is a presumptive nominee from a party that has been out of power for eight years, not the president. Meanwhile McCain sends his surrogates to interfere. Hmm... presumptuous, moi?
Secondly, this crisis is born from American arrogance. How, you ask? Well, since the end of the Cold War we have been told that there is only one superpower in the world - the USA. And the USA acted accordingly - after all, aren't the Russians more interested in diamond-encrusted Mercedes than their role as a superpower? We seduced them with bling, didn't we? Well, turns out we were wrong. What goes around comes around, and here we are nearly 20 years from the fall of the Berlin Wall, and militarily one could argue that Russia is in a stronger position than the USA. All because we believed our own hype.
Thirdly, Krauthammer is calling for a strong-armed response from the US. With what, exactly? The military is already stretched to breaking point thanks to the neocons and the quarter wit in the White House. As one Russian general said today, "we have nothing to fear from the USA". And he's right - barring nuclear weapons, the US has nothing left to fight with - OK, perhaps it could handle another invasion of Grenada. But Russia? Forget it. No chance.
Nope - the Russians hold all of the aces here and they know it. As should anyone with half a brain. but hey, John McCain would handle it, wouldn't he? He'd invade Russia at the drop of a hat to protect his old pals. Which against shows his total and complete lack of intelligence - if it broke Napoleon and Hitler, it'll break him and us too.

McCain Just Got My Vote
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We have the cards.
We may have the cards, but Bush is the dealer. And now Russia has chips funded by petrodollars and oil wells drilled by the western oil companies. Bush does need to reexamine Putin's soul. Putin timed this action with precision. All the glad handers would be making nice in China in preparation for a vacation on their ranch while the energy crisis continued to fester. The Russia/Georgian episode is just another extension of events caused by our energy weakness or lack of energy.

CriticalBilly:Here's another observation

You still haven't learned any manners have you?

Remember, you are GUEST in this country, and it's not polite to bite the very hand that's feeding you...


LZ
But you didn't SAY with constitutional rights and under a president like Putin. All you Bush haters can do is to spew out bull crap against Bush and then criticize him when he does take a stance. It's lose-lose situation.




Well Said
Excellent comments by ex-wyomingite. The current world is not a place for somebody still dependent on "training wheels". Obama will be taken apart by the real World's ruthless leaders, but the problem is, we will all suffer for it. I can see the leaders of other aggressive nations wiping their hands with glee in hopes of an Obama Presidency. It's not just Obama, it is obvious by the resumes of the array of consultants he is bringing together that they are the "let's just talk about it" crowd. There's certainly going to be a lot of CHANGE!

Hey, Putin got a two-fer. He embarrassed the lame duck Bush and scared the pants off of Obama in one fell-swoop.

NATO & Russia
What is the purpose of NATO? Why does the US have to take the lead in Europe, let the Europeans do something for a change. Everyone else depends on the US and we oblige by sending our tax dollars and people when necessary. Tell Europe to stand up or sit down and shut up. Forcing NATO to the door step of Russia serves no purpose for the US. Get real, Russia has nuclear weapons, nothing else, so what makes anyone believe they would use them and destroy themselves. Lower the price of oil and Russia dies.

Strategy
Russia invades Georgia: time for a blinding strike on Iran. To deal with an enemy like the Russians, you have to be willing (nearly eager) to fight. Take out Chavez with a Mk-84. Being predictable in war is stupid. It is time...

Critical Bill
I hardly need to say anything, do I? The other bloggers who have functioning gray cells are saying it all.

You know, you are always free to leave the U.S.

Judith
When has Bush taken a stance on anything. My point is that Putin loves his country and puts Russia first....regardless of any damn body thinks about him.
Bush loves Mexico, he loves China, and he puts 'one worldism' first. Not America. Bush has power and will not use it, unless it benefits globalism.
Putin on the other hand protects his country and I could see what he would do if a border state sent troops into Russia to confront agents of America.

FT Letter to the Editor
By chance yesterday I read a letter to the editor of the FT dated 04/08/2008 from William Speecher of Fairfax Virginia. Mr. Sprecher wrote:

"I find it abhorent that George W. Bush presses vigorously for Nato membership of two countries bordering Russia. . . .

...let us imagine how the Russins feel when their 'spheres of influence' spanning centuries are threatened. The Soviet Union lost millions during the second world war, and we Americans had little or no comprehension of that horror. We were separated from much of the world's anguish by thousands of miles of ocean. But Russians recoil today as they see their borders menaced.

In the name of democracy, Mr. Bush is exporting his brand of governance to many regions, including the Middle East and the former Souviet Union. It may be a laudable goal to some observers, but we know the results and he consequences. It is time for clear minds to prevail."

Mr. Sprecher, a former US Army Officer was right on target on 8 April 2008."

* * *
I am not a Obama supporter ( by I fear that John McCain will continue the policies (cheered on by the likes of Charles Krauthammmer) of George Woodrow Bush.

correction
to confront agents of Russia.

Bush swore to protect and defend the citizens of the US and its borders etc....He broke is oath and is in conflict with the US Constitution.

Anne
You have written that, I don't know, a dozen times. So you keep n repeating the same action each time expecting a different result. What's that the definition of? And actually I'm not really a guest, I'm a legal resident. So I can be thrown out of the country, but presumably only if I commit a felony - not for expressing my opinions, no matter how offensive you find them. And by the way, what you write isn't much of an argument. How about trying to answer the points I made instead? Probably too stupid...

And as a further observation, I wonder why people find it so difficult to understand Europe's position. you all seem to think it boils down to European cowardice, which I supppose is fitting with the Republican modus operadni, where every situation can be broken down into right v wrong, weak v strong, etc etc, which of course is nonsense. Put yourself in the shoes of a European nation - you are asking them to fight a land war against Russia? In Russia? In defence of Georgia? Ha ha ha ha, come on. How many are going to jump at that? If you think there is any attraction in that at all you are crazy. And Europeans aren't crazy.

Judith
Well, it's a good thing you hardly need say anything, because you didn't say anything. Your point is what exactly?

Krauthammer
"naked occupation", "troop withdrawals", "territorial arrangements", "peacekeeping forces", "regime change".

Ring a bell? Does this saber-rattling moron actually read his own drivel?



Wake up call for Obama and the left
What a difference a day makes! Well seems the Obama has once again had to shift his position on the Russian Invasion of Georgia. This guy obama is so far out of his league he cant see or distinguish real aggression from the imaginary kind. The obama is a complete rookie when it comes to world affairs. Living in Indonesia does not give him any real experience in dealing with real world Issues. Expecting Obama (Junior 3 year Senator) to function as a Statesman and a thinking rational Leader is delusional.

Show of hands
How many folks here think that Putin is going to stop with Georgia? What is to stop him from marching right thru GA, thru Turkey, and into Iraq? Where is all the oil?

OIL is POWER. WAKE UP AMERICANS.

LZStud
Typical of liberals to admire a police state dictator. I guess you think it is OK to give up your liberty to have the trains run on time. But never fear, if your hero Obama wins, he will agree to whatever Putin wants.

The only good thing about a Putin-type leader would be that he would liquidate loudmouths and troublemakers like you first.

Venezuela
The answer to this is for us to go take a couple sections of Venezuela from Putin's friend Hugo. Then we could give them back when Putin gets out of Georgia.

LZViagra
Golly gee, I thought that we were just wrapping up in Iraq and are going into Afghanistan to escalate the drive to eliminate terrorists. Did I miss something? Has he really done nothing secondary to 9/11? Ya gotta be kidding.

Dr.Krauthammer has listed many options (non-military) that can be taken to restrain Russia as military options are not possible. President Bush knows these options as well and will, as the scene unravels, put them into place. John McCain would do the same thing while Obama boy doesn't have a clue.

Read that last sentence again because that is what I am worried about. If Russia will try to reclaim land, who is to say that they won't blatantly destroy other countries. I mentioned Israel because it is a land with a gigantic target hanging over its head. I want a president who know that the hell it means to deal with the military and is not a blasted feel-good pansey.


From Russia With Love?

I wonder what President Bush sees when he looks into the sparkly eyes of Vlad-the-Bad Putin now?

One addition to Krauthammer's list
As Mr. Krauthammer points out, Russia's action in Georgia, if allowed to stand, will give them complete control of both the oil and the supply systems for Europe. Along with the actions outlined in this article, there is one other step that we could take that could have the effect of seriously blunting the Bear's Plow. We could become the world's largest exporter of oil.

I know, for you liberals who are just now reading this, you probably choked on that gulp of coffee but whether you like it or not, regardless of your Utopian small car dreams and windmill fantasies, "Oil is Power," and Russia is flush with it.

We have liquid oil for extraction in the immediate and oil shale that translates into huge reserves as technology develops to efficiently mine and convert it to a liquid state.

It would be ironic if we were able to minimize Russia's oil cash cow with a few cattle of our own. No blood for oil the chant goes. In this case, the more oil we can put on the world market, the less blood will be spilled by tyrants using it as a blunt force weapon on the rest of us.

Okay, so we're all in support of WWIII?
Does anyone think Putin would stand still and watch if we took any military action vis a vis Georgia? The impetus for this was a smack-down for President Bush when he tried to put missiles on Russia's borders in Poland and the Czech Republic in much the same way that the Russians did in Cuba fifty years ago. We didn't like it then, they don't like it now.
The reality is, our policies in recent years have given us no power over Russia, or Vladimir Putin, and he's letting us know it.
Let us try to invade Mexico, or Russia, or Iran, and the whole world will turn against us. WE will be the bad guys then - the Nazis when they invaded Poland, the Russians when they invaded Afghanistan, Iraq when they invaded Kuwait... or the Americans when they invaded Iraq...
We're stretched to our limits in Iraq and Afghanistan, where will we get the people to support an action against Russia?
Russia's foreign minister has announced that we can forget Georgian integrity, because it no longer exists. And he's right. Because of our own diplomatic and foreign relation blunders, we are powerless to stop him.
Just tell me one thing that we can do, short of a World War where WE are the enemy, that would be effective in stopping Russia. Having Condi Rice shaking her finger and saying 'Bad, bad boys?' President Bush giving them a stern talking to?

Dems would sacrifice us all
Anyone who votes for a Dem is voting to destroy our country. The old addage that they are for the little people are brain washed, brain dead and zombies. They have done nothing for the little people since Kennedy. If we react the left will go ballistic which I dont care. Un- fortunately we do not have a strong leader to counter the Russians

One important less out of this
whole ordeal is that we can't rely on the "world community" to dictate to us what is right or wrong.

It is really important that we do our own values check, and decide for ourselves what is right and wrong. When America goes to war, it has always been for very good reasons, and because of it, we have the right to kick butt and win! We should not be apologetic that we are the biggest dog on the block, if we are using our might for right.

On the other hand, the Russians have always shown a different kind of character, and can't be trusted. This is why we can look at every offensive strike they do as bad and wrong.

Incidently, this is why I am so insensed at the US government for naively permitting hordes of immigrants from the former Soviet block to come here. They have a certain set of values that are not the same as ours, having been used to circumventing all the laws over there in order to survive. We have former Soviets running prostitution rings and scams, and collecting all kinds of money from the government trough by lying about their multiple streams of income, and pretending to be poor. They drive expensive cars and yet pay for their groceries with friggin food stamps!

I hope that this incident opens the eyes of America to the suicidal policies of the State Department before it is too late.

Dreamer, Hate to break it to ya
The regime change he referred to was Putin wanting a different Georgian regime to negotiate with. Who's the moron? Why don't you get back to chatting with Al Franken and his loser campaign.

Georgia claims
Both South Ossetia and Abkhazia protested from the beginning being included in the new Republic of Georgia back in 1991.
The only reason they were included was that Russia drew the original boundaries of the Soviet Republic of Georgia when the USSR was established.
South Ossetia was an autonomous oblast within that Soviet Republic.
Thjey voted in 1992 for autonomy from Georgia and were ignored. They voted in 2006 to be free of Georgian territorial claims(passed by 99%) and were again ignored.

Georgia's claims on these lands, which want either independence or a reunification with Russia, is being completely ignored again.
Are we really talking freedom here when we ignore the wishes of peoples as to their self determination?

Valerie
Please! We don't want to envade Mexico: we just want them to stop envading us!

Speaking of which, is anyone holding the PTB's feet to the fire about the border wall?

Possible peace v guaranteed war
I don't see why this crisis helps McCain. In a toss up between the two, Obama offers the possiblity of peace whereas McCain offers the guarantee of war. His beligerant, aggressive "man of war" stance towards the Russians is a sign of the man - for whom the first option is force, the second option is more force and the thrid is even more force. He knows no other way. At least with Obama we have a chance to use diplomacy, negotiation and skill, three things that are completely lacking in John McCain's playbook. Because if he has his way, we will go to war with Russia, and the 4,500-odd dead in six years in Iraq will pale in comparison - probably on a weekly or even daily basis. Well, if that's what you want...

Charles
Bush is a liberal, I am a conservative. What have I said that is liberal? You people think that if a person does not agree with the 'liberal Bush' we must be liberal. I am only stating we need a man as president, not someone who snickers all the time and refuses to lead and protect his country. Putin doesn't give a hoot in hell about NATO, he cares about Russia. My only point is that we need a president like that in America. Why are we allowing the Iraqi's to glean 79 billion in oil profits..while we lose our legs and our assets.
We should take their oil, and claim it as ours, now is that liberal?

Jennifer Rubin nails it (as usual):
Remember when the Left used to come to the defense of oppressed victims of violence? Now they debate whether even nice words of support are too much. As Marty Pertez describes their view: Russia is “a great power. . . so shut up.”


http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/203 22

Time To Get Serious With Russia
The measures described in the article are still way too anemic. It's a minimal start but we must be ready for potential reciprocal escalation of force. The Russian thugs love to play “chicken” and bank on milk-toast response from the West. It’s time to mobilize NATO forces and make a show of force even if it’s saber rattling. It must be convincing, however, because it’s all that mangy Russian bear understands. Our B-2s, land-based ICBMs, and nuclear weaponed submarine fleet also need a little practice in now rusty “cold war” tactics. Flexing our collective, free-world muscles will do more to cow that overconfident, moth-eaten bear than all the sanctions combined! Doing otherwise is giving KGB Putin a green light to reconstitute the old Soviet block.

To Critical Blowheart
First of all, it doesn’t matter that Obama is not yet president. As a voter, I watch to see how he reacts to situations and I see a man with no real substance. His speeches are ok but when confronted with head-on question, he’s a dud. President Bush needs to hand down the torch to someone with balls.

Your garbage about American arrogance is just a piece of slander that anyone with half a brain can throw out into the playing field. Why are we in Iraq…to keep from having more devastation on our own soil? The guys and Gals over there are saving all our rear ends including your fat rear at the direction of the white house.

Dr. Krauthammer is doing everything BUT being strong-armed. That statement would be true if he suggested sending in the militia. You sure do know how to take words an inject new meaning into them. Charles K is being sensible in outlining what our country can utilize. In my opinion, he is one of the greatest columnist in the United States and his knowledge is unbeatable.

John McCain won’t take s*** because he knows what all this aggression means for the United States. Agter being in Viet Nam and spending 5 years in their prisons, I suspect he is a realist. Obama is another “love child” erected on a podium by all the liberal nit wits.

The one thing that will make me feel good today is sending, from my store, a pair of combat gloves and sunglasses to one of our soldiers, free of cost. What do you do to support America besides issuing sarcastic, rancid and useless excrement?

utahnotmormon
So we should have let the South secede from the Union in 1861?

Headlines!
Just read the news. They are saying

"Russia's foreign minister says the world 'can forget about' Georgia's territorial integrity, Georgian and Russian troops face off at checkpoint outside Gori."

So much for that democratic country.

This is more than sad.

LZStud
I agree that Bush is more liberal than I would prefer, but I think it does no good to trash Bush to help elect Democrats.

I apologize for calling you a liberal. However, your Putin analogy is a disaster. I do not want a KGB-type President, even if he is a conservative. I believe that it is possible to be very conservative and still operate within the Constitution. In fact, respect for the Constitution is the first criteria for a conservative.

If you are truly a conservative, then you want less government, and certainly would not use a police-state dictator like Putin as a role model. He is the polar opposite of a conservative.

Judith
If you had half a brain you would, therefore, have thrwn out my argument about America's arrogance in assuming it was the only superpower left. I don't see anything in what you wrote to refute that. America is in Iraq, partly at least, because it thought that it was the only superpower left and therefore could act nilaterally and with impunity, and the Russians were too weak to do anything any more. And that was a huge mistake, as we are now seeing. Obama is taking a well-earned break, just like GWB, only GWB hasn't really earned it. Great columnist and unbeatable knowledge? well, that's your opinion - in mine he's an arrogant neocon sabre-rattler chieckenhawk who would lead us to ruin. Each to their own, eh?

Adults and children
Conservatives are adults. Liberals are children. Conservatives see things through grown-up eyes. Liberals see them as children. While certain childlike traits are important to preserve after one attains adulthood, it is necessary for self preservation to discard many childhood beliefs. It is important as an adult to understand that good and evil exist. It is important to understand that acting ethically in one's self interest is absolutely necessary for one's survival. It is important to realize that a nation must be able to defend its interests against the evils of the world or its survival will be forfeit. An adult understands this. A child on the other hand will consume itself with frivolities such as fascistic environmentalism, pacifism, gay rights, "animal rights," and identity politics. All parts of the fascistic agenda. Like a self indulgent child who abuses his body with sugar and fat in its diet, our liberals corrupt our nation with their "feel good" special interests. And the nation slowly dies.

Charles
The South had been part of our union for 80 years prior to their secession.

South Ossetia and Abkhazia had never been part of a Georgian Republic except as dictated by USSR political borders. Even then, they were officially autonomous regions within the Soviet Republic of Georgia.

From the beginning(1992) these autonomous regions protested their inclusion in Georgia.
Did any Southern states protest their inclusion in the United States in 1882?

See Bill blab...
In light of the headlines, you aren't worth another calorie of expenditure.

utahnotmormon
What is your reason for being pro-Russian? I will freely admit that I am not versed in Georgian history, but I am opposed to anything that Putin and the Russians want. I would support the Georgians because of their support for the US in Iraq.

The reference to 1882 escapes me.

Saving How?
>The guys and Gals over there are saving all our rear ends including your fat rear at the direction of the white house.<

In your prior paragraph you are concerned with substance, yet you're more than willing to abandon it when you see fit.

Krauthammer for Vice President !!!
Dr. Krauthammer is the wisest person on the international political stage who's not too old (e.g. Prof. Thomas Sowell).

He has a degree in Econonics, an M.D. from Harvard, and was Chief Resident in Psychiatry at the Massachusetts General Hospital.

And Democrats would like it that he once worked for Jimmy Carter, and writes for TIME and the WASHINGTON POST.

He coined the term "Reagan Doctrine."

Choosing him would show McCain being bold, thinking outside the box, and putting talent ahead of politics.

McCain could do no better!

CriticalBill and FlaccidStud
You fellas should go back into your caves. The bright light of the sun is blinding you and you're stumbling around like two drunk sailors who have mistaken each other for a lady of the night. It's an unholy sight to behold.

It is truly amazing to me the god-like powers that people like you attribute to Bush. *Everything* is his fault. *Everything* occurs because of his hand. If he indeed possessed the power you seem to attribute to him, he could raise one finger and turn Putin into a guy with a sheep frantically in search of a vacant Motel 8 room, and turn Russian tanks into GM SUVs that would either quickly run out of gas or quickly break down.

For God's sake, the state of the universe is not Bush's fault. He did not orchestrate the downfall of Georgia, Putin did.

......
Russia looks to the West and sees effete nations submerged in their decadence and naiveté. The US is unwilling to pursue her own domestic energy, the US doesn’t have the stomach to secure its own borders, the US is too politically correct to deport illegal alien criminals and gang members, the US acquiesces to muslim demands in its own nation, the western European eunuchs allow muslims to riot while they hide under their beds, etc.

The Russians and Chinese are growing in strength while the US and western Europe is steadily declining, largely due to the liberal quislings that permeate western governments.

We are no longer the International Rottweiler, the liberals and rinos have reduced us to a carbon-neutral, morally equivaocating Chihuahua. Our unwillingness to devestate our enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq told the world that even when we go to war we’re not serious. Expect tyrants and despots around the world to act accordingly. While the second dumbest person in America, Pelosi, babbles about "saving the planet" our adversaries smile in glee thankful that pelosi isn't concerned with "saving" America.

O
“Our B-2s, land-based ICBMs, and nuclear weaponed submarine fleet also need a little practice in now rusty “cold war” tactics.”

In order for such a threat to work, Russia would have to believe that the United States had made a credible threat. There is zero possibility (and rightly so) that the U.S. would ever launch a nuclear weapon over the Georgia crisis. Russia knows this.

This little problem aside, if any U.S. policy maker were to ever seriously consider such an escalation, they should be immediately removed from office and locked away in a padded cell.

CB
Wow...I think even Hal D is more knowledgeable than you concerning foreign affairs. Don't quit your day job. According to you...our arrogance has caused Russia to invade Georgia. Are you insane? Are you trying to go for the butterfly effect?

You keep complaining that the US is a superpower that defends democracy across the world. Are you opposed to freeing people? Perhaps you are opposed to making allies?

And while you complain about Bush being in China, do you realize how many world leaders are there? You think he has talked to any of them?

One thing is for sure though. At least we KNOW Bush supports the USA at the Olympics. Obama? Im not so sure about.


Russia saw their moment and jumped. Its time to do just as Dr. K says and put some pressure on Russia. Notice CB, the column is not about military pressure, so you can pull your head out of the sand.

Your reason?
> I am opposed to anything that Putin and the Russians want. I would support the Georgians because of their support for the US in Iraq.<

The issue is what the South Ossetians and the Abkhzians want, which you have completly ignored in your quest to demonize Russia, which has spilled blood for centuries protecting Georgia from attacks by invading Turks, Persians and the Daghestanian Islamic imam Shamyl, who terrorized most of the Caucasus. So, yes, when they see Georgia filled with US military trainers and receiving arms from the US, they react, much as we would if Russia was providing military arms and trainers to Mexico or Canada.

Speaking of Mexico, should we have respected Mexico's territorial integrity regarding Texas or were we correct in supporting Texas independence?

ex-Wyomingite
The fact is that nothing is decided about who will be leading come January of next year - and in most polls Obama still leads. As we both agreed the other day, Putin is a psychopath, and in my opinion McCain isn't far behind. To me that makes a fairly unpalatable mixture, although it may get your war juices flowing. Your "We've had to fight wars and win them" posturing is hilarious. I'm British - tell me which wars, barring the one between us (erm, 300-odd years ago) the US has won on its own? I can't think of many, and your recent record is certainly dubious in spite of the huge numerical and technoligical advantage the US has enjoyed. "Baby Barry" has just as much chance as McCain in this, and is just as untested. Since when did McCain have any experience of international diplomacy? I mean, apart from helping out the North Vietnamese... the man is a liability, a proven liability with little or no grasp of the nuances of global politics and an explosive temper to match. Frankly, I'll take my chances with Obama any day...

CB
Btw, what makes you think McCain will simply throw out the military? You seem to be under the impression that McCain is incapable of diplomacy and that by some miracle Obama is a diplomacy expert.

Dr. K for Vice-President.
Who better to replace that neo-con wannabe Cheney but with a true blue one?

But won't Bill Kristol feel slighted?




CKHustler
Erm, that's the most idiotic interpretation of what I have written possible. Unless, of course, you are deliberately misinterpreting it, which of course you are. The point I made about US arrogance is that, by believing that it was the only superpower it could act with impunity, so it also inadvertently gave Russia the opportunity to also act with impunity. Because militarily Russia is still a superpower. Because America is bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, Russia can do what it likes, and in all liklihood will continue to do so. The US did not cause Russia to invade Georgia - but its belief that it was the only superpower and its actions over the last six years undoubtedly emboldened the Russians and gave them the opportunity to exhert heir regional power. Do you think the Russians would have done this is the US wasn't bogged down in an unprovoked invasion of its own? Jeez, at leas the Russians can argue that they were provoked into it. Has bush talked to many leaders there? Well, Vlad had a good old laugh at his expense, that's for sure. I'm not sure if he has had time to talk to anyone, he has been too engrossed in the sport by the loks of it. What a disgrace that man is - can't even hold the US flag around the right way! I have no opposition to making allies, but every opposition to making anyone an ally. Georgia's leaders tried to pull a fast one on Russia and got a bloody nose for its troubles. Frankly, with allies like that...

Critical Bill, you wrote,
“Since when did McCain have any experience of international diplomacy? I mean, apart from helping out the North Vietnamese”

How dare you write such a despicable calumny?

You Sir, have no sense of fairness. I doubt if you have suffered years of torture with little to no hope of repatriation. Who are you to judge the hell he went through?

You far exceed the bounds of decency.

utahnotmormon
You obviously have some personal agenda with respect to Russia and Georgia, so why not tell us what it is instead of all the tedious details about Georgian history?

CriticalBill writes(?)
ex-Wyomingite
The fact is that nothing is decided about who will be leading come January of next year - and in most polls Obama still leads. As we both agreed the other day, Putin is a psychopath, and in my opinion McCain isn't far behind. To me that makes a fairly unpalatable mixture, although it may get your war juices flowing. Your "We've had to fight wars and win them" posturing is hilarious. I'm British - tell me which wars, barring the one between us (erm, 300-odd years ago) the US has won on its own? I can't think of many, and your recent record is certainly dubious in spite of the huge numerical and technoligical advantage the US has enjoyed. "Baby Barry" has just as much chance as McCain in this, and is just as untested. Since when did McCain have any experience of international diplomacy? I mean, apart from helping out the North Vietnamese... the man is a liability, a proven liability with little or no grasp of the nuances of global politics and an explosive temper to match. Frankly, I'll take my chances with Obama any day...

Well your knowledge of history is pretty sadly lacking. Last I checked the American Revolition lasted from 1775-1783 or about 233-225 years ago.When was the last time England won a war w/o allies except maybe the Boer War?

Way Down South
Keep your wig on... the stories about McCain doing some useful sidework for the NVA are abut as credible as the stories you were all happy to believe about John Kerry. It's McCain's sole selling point, and boy does he bleat on about it. A war hero? Fine, so long as everyone else who either survived or died in a NVA prison is a hero.

As an aside, reports are that Colin Powell will endorse Obama and, perhaps more interestingly, for every soldier who has donated to McCain's campagin, SIX have donated to Obama. The fighting men have spoken, and we must listen...

Cold war repeat needs the same solution
We must get rid of oil from OPEC to win this new cold war because we are funding dictatorships that will win this war unless we escape from their economic advantage with oil.

CB
"The point I made about US arrogance is that, by believing that it was the only superpower it could act with impunity, so it also inadvertently gave Russia the opportunity to also act with impunity."

So in essence, as I said...because of our arrogance, Russia invaded Georgia.

It is quite funny how, no matter what happens, its our fault. The US is always to blame according to the libs.

I dare say that the situations you are comparing in regard to our situation and Russia's are quite different. Though you throw out the broad paint stroke just so you can blame the US once again. Good job...A for effort. haha

CB
"and, perhaps more interestingly, for every soldier who has donated to McCain's campagin, SIX have donated to Obama. The fighting men have spoken, and we must listen... "

I want a source because every single military person I know is fully against Obama. So I want proof of that claim.

Fred
A person who compares a statement given by a prisoner of war under extreme duress, to a giddy idiotic actress freely giving aid and comfort to the enemy, is a person who is incapable of intellectual honesty.

Your analogy is obscene.

OK Marvl Rush Jr
WE have been interfering in Georgia, right. Condi was there in July, and we have military advisors there as well. What would we do if Russia does the same now in Cuba? We are interfering into too many places with all this 'democracy' bs. Bush is the leader of the free world and like you marvl, he's just another runt leader not willing to use his leadership...to stay out of others business. And like you he has no interest in America: our borders, our border agents, our trade, our manufacturing base, our economic assets, our schools, our everything....
We should expect more from a pres not less. Georgia was in the process of routing oil to Europe thru Turkey(undercutting Russia)....Putin didn't want to lose that power...he acted on behalf of his nation. Bush will not sign an executive order to drill in Anwr...which he could do NOW! He doesn't care about America or this emergency that it is in right now. I think it is admirable that Putin didn't pansy around for six months going to the impotent UN. As Bush did.

Citation form Steve Sailer
Although George W. Bush and John McCain* disagree with me (i.e Steve Sailer), I have a hunch it's probably not prudent for the U.S. to enter into a formal military alliance with a country with a 29-year-old defense minister:


Davit Kezerashvili (Georgian: ????? ???????????) (born September 22, 1978) is the Georgian Minister of Defence.

......
----Not quite true. Bush made the Georgians feel that we'd back them against the Russians.....Fred----

Do you make this stuff up as you go along? What else is Bush responsible for in your fantasyland?

How dare the Russians
take a swat at our Empire and its puppets! Only WE reserve the right for unlimited regime change.

The Georgians would never have started this stupid stuff if they didn't feel the US was backing them up. Russia is taking out some frustration on Georgia and for good reason. Maybe now our imperial ambitions will be tempered a bit (not likely).

Russia is looking out for Russia while American leadership is completely out to lunch on how to do anything to benefit our country or people. All you get from the two nothings running for King are more open borders, more military adventure, more lip service to the Constitution, more police state and less responsibility. At least Putin loves his people--we can barely define what that would mean in this country.

The empire is finished. The republic might be too if we can't change course and get some sense

CKHustler
Regardless of how you put it, and regardless of your inability to accept that your precious neocon leadesrs may have put a foot wrong, there is no doubt in my mind that Russia would have been a little more wary if the Us military wasn't tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting their own invasions. So yes, to a certain extent it is the fault of the US. Not entirely, but our own actions gave the Russians the chance to take their own actions. Can't you see that?
And I apologise - it's troops deployed abroad that have donated to Obama in six times as high numbers than to McCain. Which I guess is most troops nowadays. Even good old Ron Paul has outscored McCain in donations by four to one. That is according to the nonpartisan Centre for Responsive Politics. The numbers we are talking about are not significant, but the split is...

Eastern Europe and the 13 colonies
When our Constitutions was set up, the states were united mostly to ensure free trade and military unity. If we were 13 separate countries militarily we could not defend ourselves against Britain or France. The former Soviet states that are now free from Russia and want individual freedom should set up an Eastern European republic.

One thing that never gets old
is watching other Americans get into hand wringing about self determination and sovereignty mean. This is precisly because the God King Lincoln, the greatest of the founding fathers, waged a brutal war against the very thing that the Colonies fought for: self determination. The 1776 separation was good but the 1861 separation was bad. Therefore, Americans always view separations in other country through one of two prisms--the 1776 view or the 1861 view.

Consequently, the Kosovo separation from Serbia is a "good" separation but South Ossetia has a "bad" one. Taiwan ostensibly also has a "good" case. South Carolina, or Vermont ostensibly, are "bad". One wonders what will be the Republican party view on California or Southwest separation in 30-40 years.

John F. Kennedy said:
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

CB
"And I apologise - it's troops deployed abroad that have donated to Obama in six times as high numbers than to McCain. Which I guess is most troops nowadays."

Umm...source? You seem to be avoiding that little bit of proof Im asking for.

So basically...its the US fault that we didn't battle this evil and chose to battle a different evil. You libs never cease to amaze me. First we mustn't protect ourselves from terrorists because that is going to far by going into Iraq, now you propose that we should have been ready and able to go to war against Russia. I mean, thats basically what you are saying because if we weren't then Russia wouldn't care anyways.

Russia already knows that we have enough liberal civilians and liberal politicians to tie the hands of Bush for any military expedition so they have free reign. So if you are to blame any in America, it would be the liberals for removing military action from the table.

Again, you complain that we babysit the world, then you complain that we didn't babysit Russia. The double talk coming from you is amazing. Have you been taking lessons from Obama?

So, Mrs. Paddy
Are you saying we should have attacked Georgia in support of the success of liberty for South Ossetia?

I find it amazing...
No less that a week or two ago, the majority of Liberals were condemning US inaction related to a different small, far away country of little significance. Wasn't it the bleeding hearts that were criticizing our "inept administration" for turning a blind eye to the atrocities of Mugabe in Zimbabwe and demanding that the US should use all available measures, including military force if needed, to crush this evil regime and bring relief to this poor little country?

Now, condemnation and talk of sanctions in response to Russia's invasion and occupation of a US ally are labeled "belligerent", "hawkish", etc.

Here's a clue, Libs. Mugabe actions in Zimbabwe are terrible. I sincerely feel for the people there, but the fact remains that that is unfortunately a war that we have no business fighting. On the contrary, Russia's clear show of force is not limited to overrunning a small, insignificant country. It is the first steps of a threat to the entire region and the stability of Europe. The country that has been overrun is a sworn US ally. So are all the neighboring States.

Yes, Mugabe is wrong and his actions within his own boarders are horrendous. But they are still within his own boarders. He is not playing the first moves of a chess game with the potential to achieve domination of neighboring countries.

Get a clue and look past your own belligerence long enough to appreciate reality.

Mrs Paddy
Kennedy was talking about our 'liberty' not the liberty of other nations. It is the 'success of liberty' that is 'ours'....we have no business exporting liberty. People must fight for their own liberty...you can't donate liberty. You have to be willing to die for it.

CB
you have a problem and it's called Obama, there is a rotten fish smell coming from Hawaii and whatever cool-aid high you derive from watching OBAMA on the news its gone...in other words you are suffering from withdrawal syndrome. In making a smart post you should begin this by acknowledging that it took Reagan to start the destruction of the Russian Empire, and it took Clinton to destroy the world best Military.
What's worse, your candidate has pretty much declined to take heed of the words and coourses of action suggested by the Generals even Petraeus, and it hurts like h_ll for him to admit that the surge worked. Just another sign of appeasement. given a chance the money which funds the military will go into disbanding it, our nation becoming the wimps, suave, devonaire, manicured, soul-less suits he and George Clooney represents. Is there a voice of reason that he should listen to before making any type of assessments, for example the situation on the ground in Iraq, or maybe checking the 57 states or perhaps better yet giving Jerusalem to Israel...is there a spine that would indicate that when things get tough the tough get going and not turn tail and run...whatever your opinion of the President, he proved by looking bullish and running an unpopularity contest that we are safe in our homeland. The times after 9/11 have proven that a weak america a complaisant america is in danger by those who wish us harm. That's the America the president inherited from Clinton...The presidency it's not a popularity contest but one that demands decisive/incisive/tough decisions no matter how much of the population goes against you. Mr. Obama has demostrated that fortitude is not his strongest suit.
Mr. McCain knows how little it takes to push the wrong buttons and will react incisively in an instinctive manner. He is a patriot who knows what it takes and currently has children 2 sons, in the front in Iraq.
It's 3 o'clock...tic toc...

Hysteria
>On the contrary, Russia's clear show of force is not limited to overrunning a small, insignificant country. It is the first steps of a threat to the entire region and the stability of Europe. The country that has been overrun is a sworn US ally. So are all the neighboring States.<

Thanks for the expert position from someone who never even heard of South Ossetia until last week. Spare us your hysterical rantings void of historical perspective and objective overview.

LZStud
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. "

Did you read that quote even?

Ill take some excerpts out of it.

"support any friend"
"in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

Notice it doesn't say our liberty.

This is not to say that I support military action in all cases. I also don't think we should be involved in cases that don't have anything to do with the US and our interests/allies. I just think you should interpret that quote accurately instead of trying to skew the meaning of it to your liking.

utahnotmorman
Why would we do that? Isn't that what Putin is claiming? That he's riding the the rescue?

Georgia is a sovereign nation. If you are blind to the power/oil grab by Putin then I don't know what to tell you.

Are you saying that when there is rioting in the streets of the US we should expect Russia to come in to settle the issue?

It's all about oil, and our esteemed leaders have systematically given away our power and livelihood by outsourcing our energy to places like Georgia, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Nigeria etc. etc. etc.

Oil is Power and as of now we are sitting ducks.

Drill Now, Drill Often, Impeach Pelosi. Vote for NEW representatives. NO MORE INCUMBANTS.

Our national survival is at stake. Call me chicken little, call me neo-con, call me war-monger. I really don't care.

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. It is later than you think.

LZStud
You need to work on your reading comprehension.

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

He said "Support any Friend" to assure the Survival and success of Liberty. He didn't say a word about the USA.

Liberty is a bigger concept than the little box you want to put it in.

CKHustler
I hate inserting myself into other people's fights (especially when it is completely off topic), but I could not help myself as I had just finished looking over this myself.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abr oad-give-61.html

I believe that this is the link that CB is referring to and should have been able to post himself, considering that you asked almost an hour ago. It's a pretty small sample size, but still surprising.

Mrs Paddy
Your global socialist views are disturbing. Other countries' liberty is none of my business and neither should you. Enough with saving others and start working on our own.

Mrs. Paddy
The similarities between our posts. lol

support any friend

notice success OF liberty.

haha...that makes me laugh

Those who fail to learn from history....
...Are doomed to Repeat it.

Putin is simply following the same strategy used by Hitler. In the 30s Hitler shipped thousands of german citzens into the Sudatenland, then claimed that the Sudatenland wanted "protection" from czechoslavakia.

Sound Familiar?

Chamberlain took the "Obama" approach and tried to appease the germans, even claiming he'd achieved "Peace in our time". Remember how well that turned out?

Unlike most of our lefty troll "friends,I'm old enough to remember the 80s, and how everything Reagan did was "Angering the Soviets" and how he was bringing us to the brink of nuclear annhilation with his "War Talk".

If the lefties had their way in the 80s, we'd be speaking russian by now.

For all the lefty idiots in here accusing dr Krauthammer of "Sabre Rattling", obviously, they didn't bother to read the actual article or they'd see that he never mentioned any military excursions, he suggested, Rightly, that we need to use all of our diplomatic options to make the "georgia adventure" too expensive for putin to continue.

If for no other reason, this is now the time to drill for oil and gas everywhere we think we can find it. Make oil lose it's high value, and putin can't buy new tanks.

We're seeing 1938 play out all over again, will we learn from the mistakes made then, or simply repeat them again?

hujmin
Surely you jest.

I never stated anywhere that I thought we should take any particular course of action. Socialism is not my goal on any scale, and certainly not globally.

I'll leave the global socialism mantra to the folks like AlGore and Obama that think we can all join hands and save the world.

The CONCEPT of supporting Freedom and Liberty is not necessarily tied to military action, although carrying a big stick is a lot more effective than shoving your head into the sand. That position only seems to leave your a$$ exposed.

Take off the blinders and look at what is at stake. I guess if the liberty of other countries is not 'our business' then neither should we worry about oppression (Darfur) or theft (Georgia) or, indeed, why worry that any country that we may depend upon for our energy needs is in turmoil.

If you believe that, then you'd better get on the phone to your representatives and tell them that it is a matter of national security to DRILL for OIL NOW.

That is how we SAVE ourselves. What say you?

CKhustler
great minds? LOL

LeftRudyRight
Thank you for the link.

I must say, that is something, but having such small numbers means you could have very skewed evidence depending on which soldiers took part in the survey.

One other reason I think McCain gets less is, no one REALLY likes him. I am conservative and would in no way give money to McCain. His campaign slogan should just be "Im not the other guy".

However, it did happen. Thanks for the info.

hujmin is 100 years out of date
""Mrs Paddy
Your global socialist views are disturbing. Other countries' liberty is none of my business and neither should you. Enough with saving others and start working on our own.""


This philosophy may have worked in 1908, but not in 2008.

If we had hidden behind our borders in 1941, all of europe would be speaking german, and we'd be fighting the nazis on our own soil.

I understand your wish to hide behind our borders, but 2 oceans won't stop our enemies like they did in 1908. Whether you like it or not, what happens in Georgia affects us too.

If your neighbor's house is burning down, do you just close the windows and turn up the TV?

I'm not saying we need to mobilize troops, but there are plenty of ways to make putin's little excursion too expensive to continue.

The russians crave the recognition of becoming G-7 members, don't give it to them. WTO membership? Fuhgeddaboutit. Immediately bring Ukraine into NATO, these things we can and Should do right now.

Most of all, we need to start drilling for oil everywhere we think there may be some, glut the market and drive prices down, and Putin loses his giant piggy bank.


CKHustler
I would agree with you if it was a survey but these are the actual $ contribution numbers. However, as the article points out, only $200+ contributions are reported to the FEC so I would have to agree with the author's theory that this is probably more representative of officers who have more money to contribute than enlisted personnel. It would be nice to see how the total contributions stack up.

Explain please
The South Ossetians voted in 1992 and again in 2006 to be independent of Georgia. Both margins were in excess of 90%.

Georgia has never had any legitimate claim on either South Ossetia or Abkhazia other than borders drawn up by Russians.

That all changed in 1991.

Freedom and liberty for South Ossetia and Abkhazia means independence from Georgia. Too bad your hatred and myopic world view doesn't allow you to even consider the root of this conflict.

Thanks, Putin...
With all the starry-eyed morons toting voter registration cards and walking our land, Putin has done the USA one big favor.
He has brought it home vividly what it means for a country to have an outstandingly tough leader. The man is a brutal, treacherous SOB, but a great Russian leader he is without a doubt.
We'll have to talk with that SOB for quite some time to come, and we had better send our own SOB to do it. I want an SOB who won't bother looking into Vladimir's eyes! Tsar Vladimir would make mincemeat of a feel-gooder rookie like Obama....BHO would be the worst thing for America, and the Russians are damned serious about reconstituting their empire. The Russians know what "serious" means. They believe Americans are frivolous, they have a point. Their intentions should be damned clear to even the starry-eyed dummies. They look at the world map and believe there's no room for the USA.
It's got to be the bulldog, McCain and a cast of American tough guys who speak softly and carry a big stick...Shades of Ronald Reagan!

What do you mean "we?"
>Most of all, we need to start drilling for oil everywhere we think there may be some, glut the market and drive prices down, and Putin loses his giant piggy bank<

"WE" don't drill for oil, oil companies do, unless you're suggesting nationalizing the oil industry.
As for glutting the market, I can only conclude that your knowledge of oil reserves and accessibility could fit on the head of a pin.

Additionally, most of Russia's energy resources are natural gas, not oil.

utahnotmormon
""WE" don't drill for oil, oil companies do, unless you're suggesting nationalizing the oil industry."

We would be the government getting out of the way and allowing people to drill for oil here in America. I thought that was pretty straight forward really.

Additionally, do you think oil prices affect natural gas prices? They are both forms of energy and in many cases people can choose to use a form of oil instead. That means that flooding the market with oil would lower the price of both. I can see that your knowledge of oil and natural gas market pressures could fit on the head of a pin.

.......
Sam, I enjoyed your post and agree with much of what you said. Putin is a tough SOB who is a serious leader. Prior to Putin and just after the fall of the USSR Russia was run by the mafia and they began manipulating elections. Putin let the Russian mob bosses know that the rules to their Wild Wild East game were about to change. He basically told them you can continue with your mobster ways [so long as we don’t catch you] but if you meddle at all in Russian politics the hammer will come down on you. One Russian mobster couldn’t resist and stuck his nose into a political campaign. The Russian hammer smashed him.

Oil oil, Russian tanks run on ????......
CKHustler and utahnotormon I see are still stuck on Last month blog. Good grief Charlie Browns get with it, oil is down to $115 up from $113, But Russia is now the futures prankster.
Iran and Russia and probably more are involved.
China is now out producing the US by 1% point or roughly 12.7 million tons of goods/ year.
China is mobilizing and building a newer future with our help and with greedy gus's like some here on TH will surpass us technologically soon.
So you have three nations that can hurt US in a long drawn out will of people. Out produce us, out drill us or lack there of and has an a means of two front confrontation with fireing a shot.
So you two talk oil, while the rest of us talk politics.

Thanks Sam...
For not mincing words and saying it as it is, not how the starry eyed liberals imagine it to be.

Y'all should read Fred Thompson's article on Town Hall as well.

Butcher
and....how is $115 a low number? Wouldn't flooding the market and sending it to $30 be better? Cut Russia's profits by 4x? Get with it.

You can't see the connection between the two? You can talk politics then at a handicap if you like, or you can read and learn.

Flood the market with what?
We've already cut consumption in this country by 800,000 barrels a day.

Where is all this oil going to come from that will provide a glut? Please don't say ANWR and remove all doubt as to your ignorance. That will barely sustain current supplies, much less create a glut.

Oil companies will only drill where there is enough proven reserves to make it profitable. We've seen that in the 68 million acres they leased but won't drill as well as Providence Point in Alaska.

Russia provides almost all the natural gas for Europe, which is their main source of heat, not oil. Beside being easier to extract, requiring little refining, and burning cleaner, deposits of natural gas in Russia dwarf known deposits of crude. The same is true in this country.

cnn
just put some reporter on who they said had been shot while covering the war in Georgia. They showed a small hole going through her wrist.

It will be interesting to see how the world follows the Russians indescriminately killing civilians. They would already have been screaming about the U.S.

Putin
I am amazed by how many so-called conservatives seem to admire Putin. The man is KGB, a ruthless dictator, an ultimate believer in state power. That is the antithesis of conservatism.

I want a truly conservative President who is tough in dealing with foreign powers, but who nevertheless adheres to the Constitution and respects the rights of US citizens even if that limits the effectiveness of the government.

.......
------ Please don't say ANWR and remove all doubt as to your ignorance. That will barely sustain current supplies, much less create a glut…….. utahnotmormon------

The purpose of drilling in ANWR is not to replace our current output but to increase it. Complicated stuff, I know.

ANWR
Can easily, and I mean within a year or two, add 1.2 million bpd. Off-shore can add more to that. There are fields in Utah we can drill in. When the oil shale technology is on-line we can then drill there. Between the first 3 we could pump out quite a bit of oil. If someone decides to add another pipeline to ANWR we could up production by much more than 1.2 million bpd. Once the oil shale technology is final we could easily become fully independent for all our energy needs. Oil prices would start dropping even more even if we just opened up drilling, let alone the actual change in production. Market pressures will do the work for us.

Natural Gas and Oil are both energy sources. If one price goes down, the other will fall as well. Especially with how often you can interchange how each is used.

Russia & China Is Why we need Mac.
When Times are good a light weight and empty suit Socialist like Oboma and the House and Senate is Ok I guess . If we don't have to elect Supreme Court Judges , the Economy is sound or at War .
[BUT } When this World is at War with Terrorism and Russia is again playing their KGB act with a Former KBG head Agent . Iran is no better ,
We need a no none sense leader with Foreign Affairs knowledge who understands War and its repercussions .
Much of McCain beliefs I disagree about but not War or how to deal with hostel leaders who hate America .He knows out Enemies ...Oh how he knows them .
Liberals tell the World AMERICA must be wrong and we will change As Oboma did in Europe and even to a 7 year old child in the mid west .
Mc Cain will tell Europe we are a great country like Reagan and Kennedy did before him .And tell our enemies that are wrong and don't Thearten us or the free world . And we are the most powerful nation on Earth and that ain't bragging those are facts .

Subject: Putin (response)

"I am amazed by how many so-called conservatives seem to admire Putin. The man is KGB, a ruthless dictator, an ultimate believer in state power. That is the antithesis of conservatism."

Heh spoken like a true Bush cool aide drinker, Putin was elected, the cold war is over, we submitted to socialism and adpoted their policies of 40 years ago, Putin & Russia are going capitalist with more freedom & individual rights and they even have the gall to put their own ciizens rights ahead of foreigners-that concept must be really offensive to you.

Bush is the real dictator, not even Putin could get away with prosecuting border guards for repelling drug smugglers.

"I want a truly conservative President who is tough in dealing with foreign powers, but who nevertheless adheres to the Constitution and respects the rights of US citizens even if that limits the effectiveness of the government."

Me too unfortunately neither Bush nor his socialist replacements fit the bill.

If anything Bush is patsy for foreigners & has no respect for our constitution or citizens.

nobody listens to pennyless beggars
look out, those evil Russians are going to come in & impose a 10 or 15% income tax on all those "prisoner Georgians" and probably cut out a lot of mafia corruption & graft too.

Lets be real, Georgia aint no paramount of freedom & liberty, its a corrupt 3rd world Socialist bananna Republic with a NY Lawyer puppet as President that would rather invest in Iraqi-resource theft and missiles than plumbing systems.


Georgia on my mind
Where is my posting????????

not impressed
"1. Suspend the NATO-Russia Council "
Not a huge loss, Russia's point of view is ignored anyway.

"2. Bar Russian entry to the World Trade Organization."
At least at this point the benefits of WTO for Russia's resource-based economy are dubious at best.

"3. Dissolve the G-8."
well, Putin will not mind, he will not attend the overpriced retreat anyway.

"4. Announce a U.S.-European boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics at Sochi."
Not going to happen, the US Curling lobby is very powerful these days.

RUSSIA HAS BETER CARDS THAN WE DO

.....They have vast producing oil and gas fields and do not need to import their energy needs ....they have access to the pipelines that supply Europe and could strangle them if threatened ....they could easily disrupt oil flow from the Middle East and leave us high and dry ...

.....The Democrats have been playing a dummy hand by keeping us dependent on foreign oil by trying to wean us on to alternate energy sources ...meanwhile the Russians have been raking in all the chips ...Armies don't run on solar and wind ...

.....Our president had better get serious in a hurry about developing our own oil reserves ...even if he has to declare a National Emergency and oil and gas as critical national resources ...suspend all eco-nut laws and shut down the EPA if necessary .....COLOSSUS

necons are hopeless
true conservatism is a great ideology: fiscal responsibility, freedom, america first, etc.

should have nominated Ron Paul, he'd beat Obama 60-40 at least. America can be a great country if it stops meddling everywhere.

We Can?
>There are fields in Utah we can drill in.<

Last year Utah produced 20 million barrels of oil and 400 million MCF of natural gas.

Not only can Utah be drilled in, is is being drilled in.
Oil shale produces keragon, which can be used for jet fuel or deisel, not gasoline.

Russia on my mind
Punish, sanctions against Russia why arent they only for the BAD GUYS. It seems to me BAD GUYS=GEORGIA ( a17yr old independent country)military trained and equiped by US against the Russians. We huddle togethet we know Putin is at Olympics so we wink and say go get S Ossetia conquer, brutalize whatever it takes.( they dont speak your languauge they voted a referendumagainst you twice they arevery close to the Russians and they like it)to hell withn them-go get them.INNOCENT HELPLESS VICTIMS =S.OSSETIANS. GOOD GUYS=RUSSIANS defending the helpless and punishing the ruthless barbaric invaders.Thr Russians punish the BAD Guys. Saakashvili must go and stand trial for the rotten criminal that he is and be replaced a russian puppet for an american puppet. Obviously Georgia must be demilitarized and forget NATO and further punishment will be decided. Part!

.........
“.....Our president had better get serious in a hurry about developing our own oil reserves ...even if he has to declare a National Emergency and oil and gas as critical national resources ...suspend all eco-nut laws and shut down the EPA if necessary .....COLOSSUS”

baseballdoc, I was thinking about this very idea yesterday. What a responsible President [that automatically excludes all democrats] would do is issue executive orders allowing the oil companies to drill and set up refineries anywhere. Same for nuclear. All lawsuits holding up drilling and development would be absolved. Federal agents will be placed at all development sites with shoot to kill orders against any tree hugging hermaphrodites that interfere.

Then I would demand billions of barrels of oil from Mexico to reimburse us for the devastation their foreign national parasites and gang bangin’ offspring have wrought on our nation. Refusal to comply immediately will result in the obliteration of Mexican govt buildings, military installations and homes of the political thieves that run Mexico.

Why so serious?
To "get serious with Russia" means to be willing to use military force. If you are not willing to use force, you are not really serious. Krauthammer is not willing to use military force. Why? No reason given. That "there's nothing to be done military" is simply asserted as a self-evident fact, no evidence offered.

I leave the practical implications of his inconsistency for you to ponder.

The Great Satan: Uh oh! You're gonna get

it now.... Don't let Akagi and the rest of the lib-idiots hear you say that!!!

I just happened to mention that pesky little problem of "oil" and "national security" last week... I even dumbed down an analogy... "Pretend our primary sources of oil during WWII were Japan and Germany..." Akagi went nutz! (I think it was the Japan thing!)

But, here we are, another "cold war" looming before us, and who are we dependant on for oil??? How much money are we sending to Saudi Arabia??? Can they cut us off in a heart beat??? Could the tankers be in danger transporting oil to the US???

The ONLY viable, logical, alternative is, just as you said... DRILL HERE and DRILL NOW, even if it takes an Exec. Order!!

Oh yeah, and then throw Congress out of DC... Nazi Nancy goes first!

Communism
>What a responsible President [that automatically excludes all democrats] would do is issue executive orders allowing the oil companies to drill and set up refineries anywhere. Same for nuclear. All lawsuits holding up drilling and development would be absolved. Federal agents will be placed at all development sites with shoot to kill orders against any tree hugging hermaphrodites that interfere.<

So there goes private property rights. It'll be a cold day in Hades before you pinkos will get your commie mitts on my private property.

.........


----So there goes private property rights. It'll be a cold day in Hades before you pinkos will get your commie mitts on my private property…..Pancho----

Too late moron; the liberal idiots [redundancy] on the SCOTUS already voted in favor of stripping you of your property rights: Kelo decision.

.........
Anne, I wish Bush was half the totalitarian the liberal idiots [redundancy] accuse him of being.

Pontificating
Now that we've heard this pontificating, many of us peons look forward to hearing about the CORE ISSUES of American Foreign Policy in general. These need to be addressed.

Our foreign policy is in dire need of an oil change lest the engine wind up stranded in the desert.

We need to completely rethink ALL our "friendships," especially those that land in the perception that we are trying to destroy Islam.

Read Dr. Michael Scheuer's partially true "Marching Toward Hell."

We need a rational plan as to how we will respond when nukes go off simultaneously in several major cities.

Or, have we figured out yet what has happened to the lost nukes?

Is the Russian military that good?
Perhaps not. They planned this for months.
Our military could execute this in two days.
Their pilots - in their newest planes -didn't
do very well. If fact at least two and possibly seven planes were shot down by ground
anti aircraft. I don't think Vlad is happy with that. Putin knows damn well there is plenty of distance between his forces in Georgia
and battle hardened American troops. Lucky for the Russian air force, their radar would pick up American planes headed their way. Putin picked his fight very carefully. As for the oil money, the Russians are corrupted by it. As quickly as it has come to them, it will quickly leave them. Only a lucky few get to share in it. Devil Dog is right. They need a good K.I.A. The question is, does the rest of NATO have the stomach to do something?

The Great Satan
What makes your commie land grab any different...

Moron?

Absolutely non of our business!
The issue of Georgia, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia is obviously complex. It is also obvious that McCain, Krauthammer, and the rest of the Neocons have a mere smattering of knowledge about it.

Clearly, this is none of our business. Krauthammer would like us to be the world's busybody, constantly intervening in parts of the world where we have no business meddling.

Let the Russians, Georgians, Abkhazians, and South Ossetians figure it out for themselves. Incidentally, Abkhazia and South Ossetia have been largely independent of Georgia since 1991--a fact you will not find out in the Neocon right-wing nutcase press.

Paolo: You are absolutely stupid!

It IS our business for many reasons, not the least of which is that President Saakashvili has asked us for help....

He probably won't get military help, but we're going to be sure that Georgia get humanitarian help...

Now, on the other hand, I hope when someone is slapping the crap out of you, someone walks right by and says, "Absolutely non of my business!"

Wouldn't that be nice! :-)

Oh and Paolo: Trust me, YOU'RE the one

who has even LESS than a mere smattering on knowledge... not only about the Russia invasion of Georgia, but also about pretty much everything else!

You've proved that time and time and time and time and time again!


Paolo
What is it about you libs that you can't see the forest for the trees? Do you know anything about 20th century European history? There were two world wars and a 45 year cold war with Putin's ilk and we're not going to fight another one on their terms. You got it? That's what the UN is for if it was worth a d@m. But its not so we have to coerce through economical and military alliances. Please get your neocon talking point a$$ back to the lib sites where you belong.

Paolo writes:
Absolutely non of our business!
The issue of Georgia, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia is obviously complex. It is also obvious that McCain, Krauthammer, and the rest of the Neocons have a mere smattering of knowledge about it.

Clearly, this is none of our business. Krauthammer would like us to be the world's busybody, constantly intervening in parts of the world where we have no business meddling.

Let the Russians, Georgians, Abkhazians, and South Ossetians figure it out for themselves. Incidentally, Abkhazia and South Ossetia have been largely independent of Georgia since 1991--a fact you will not find out in the Neocon right-wing nutcase press.

Except for the fact giving the Russians control of Georgia gives them control of one of the major oil pipelines from the Middle East to Europe. With that the Russians would have control over most of the oil flowing to Europe. Do you relly want Europe in thrall to Putin and his desire to expand Russia's political and economic power?

America Doesn't Have The Energy To Fight
Even if Russian ships pulled up to Virginia Beach, America couldn't put up much of a fight. How long would our strategic oil reserves last if we were involved in an all-out war?

Considering Russia is on the move in the world again, we'd better start building refineries right NOW. I'd also suggest that America start ordering some new equipment. Considering what we've been through in the last 6 years, I think our hardware might need some new replacements.

Right now America is in a chilly situation; I suggest we get ourselves prepared for the worst Russia can do; especially since we don't know how far the invasions are going, or which country will be next. Wake up America; Russia is brewing some nasty, potent coffee.


Three Blind Mice
That would be Anne, Indyimonoxycondin and Lumberjack.

Paolo's first two paragraphs are opinion, but his last paragraph is fact.

Anne doesn't know squat, as usual, Indy on drugs changes the subject, and Lumberjack says that giving the Baku/Tbilisi/Ceyhan pipeline to Putin, whatever he says, as if that's a done deal.

All of these responses ignore or deny that South Ossetia and Abkhazia did not want to be Georgian provinces from Day 1. Look at the votes. 99% in favor of complete independence from Georgia by South Ossetians three times betwee 1992 and 2006, complete with independent international watchdogs.

Georgia's claim for these autonomous provinces has always been disputed and NEVER has the US stood up for the freedom of these people from Georgian abuse and oppression, just like the US has NEVER stood up for the rights of Kurds in the face of Turkish oppression and genocide.

Screw the allies and do what's right. Champion the cause of freedom, even if it means agreeing Putin is right.

Paolo- good insight
It's too bad that the knuckle-draggers will outnumber you with their vacuous remarks. I've got to love "Anne"'s remarks: we must help Georgia, because its President asked us for help. LOL. Nevermind, he invited the conflict by attacking an independent province, and shelling a civillian town. We're supposed to bail him out? Reading Paolo's intelligent remarks, and then watching the talk-radio ignoramuses pile on is just a sorry sight for a once great Party.

*BTW, to the person whining about the oil pipeline being under Russian control; Georgia apparently lied about it being bombed; its operators BP said there were no strikes. Finally, Russia sells 1/3rd of Europes crude oil and 1/2 its natural gas; it doesn't need pipeline control to exert influence on the continent.

Make that 4 blind mice
Add Brickhouse to the list.
Plus, wanna bet that before this is posted, I'll be called a liberal and I don't doubt other waht can be deemed derogatory names on this forum.

I suggest you go into the archives on TH for Pat Buchanan's take on the US, Geprgia and South Ossetia from a couple months ago. But then, many of you don't even regard Pat as a conservative, which goes a long way to showing how radical you have become.

Lumber & Brick: Excellent points, both!

What's so amazing is that there are those who are unable to see beyond the end of their noses and not a notion of the WORLD!

Most of these bozos don't see what Putin is up to, nor the dire need to drill NOW!

And the worst nightmare is that these brain dead bozos are going to vote!!!!

Paolo
""The issue of Georgia, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia is obviously complex. It is also obvious that McCain, Krauthammer, and the rest of the Neocons have a mere smattering of knowledge about it. ""


This just proves that your knowledge barely rates a smattering.

John McCain is actually Friends with Kaashivili he's been to georgia more than once in the past couple years. I'd say his knowledge of the region is much deeper than yours.

When you first heared russians invaded georgia, your first thought was Atlanta wasn't it Paolo?

Pancho the lefty
""All of these responses ignore or deny that South Ossetia and Abkhazia did not want to be Georgian provinces from Day 1. Look at the votes. 99% in favor of complete independence from Georgia by South Ossetians three times betwee 1992 and 2006, complete with independent international watchdogs.""

Vermont has been trying to secced for 100 years, should we let them go too?


Schmuck

That makes it worse
>John McCain is actually Friends with Kaashivili he's been to georgia more than once in the past couple years. I'd say his knowledge of the region is much deeper than yours.<

Not only is he friends, but his campaign manager is a lobbyist for Georgia in Washintgon. Hardly an objective position. And point me to McCain's quote regarding autonomy for South Ossetia.

Charles..you forgot to mention...
#5 Begin airlift support of Georgia similar to what we performed in Berlin, to include military escort to insure safety of our humanitarian effort...and then some :)

Pancho the lefty
When you have been utterly defeated in a debate, retreat to the default position. Call someone a lefty, as if that makes your position credible.

You're a fraud.

Pancho Pancho Pancho
""Not only is he friends, but his campaign manager is a lobbyist for Georgia in Washintgon. Hardly an objective position. And point me to McCain's quote regarding autonomy for South Ossetia. ""

Wait aminute, a minute ago you said McCain has only a "Smattering" of knowledge, now you're accusing him of being some kind of insider for georgia.

No wonder you idiots can think bush is an bumbling Idiot AND a master criminal genius that "tricked" us into the Iraq war.

Also, Show me the place in my post where I said anything about mccain and autonomy for ossetia.

Pancho, you obviously suffer from Rectal-Cranial-Inversion, and I'm done wasting time on you.

I'll go do find something more fun to do like grind a cheese grater across my cheek.

Complete denial
>a minute ago you said McCain has only a "Smattering" of knowledge, now you're accusing him of being some kind of insider for georgia.<

You're obviously vey confused. The accusation that McCain had a "Smattering" of knowledge is not mine.

The only reason you're done wasting time on me is because I've backed you into a corner and you have no reasonable escape.

I'm so far ahead of you on this subject that it's embarrassing for you to even attempt anything other than deluded and embarrassing responses. But it's entirely possible that you're too much of a narcissist to be embarrassed.

Gee, I'm a Fraud?
""When you have been utterly defeated in a debate, retreat to the default position. Call someone a lefty, as if that makes your position credible.

You're a fraud. ""

Am I pretending to be someone I'm not?
Am I pretending to be the only one in the world who can fix the human race?

Oh wait that's the guy you are supporting!

And the Pancho the Lefty thing was a movie reference, There was a movie name Pancho and Lefty, get it? It was also a famous country song by willie nelson. But then again I imagine you're more the Fiddy cent or Ludakris type huh?

No sense in arguing with an idiot, you'll just drag me down to your level then beat me with experience.

Have a great time thinking you've "Won" the argument, the folks with IQs above room temperature will ptobably disagree with you.

Sweet dreams Cisco's Sidekick

Except
>No sense in arguing with an idiot<

You haven't even presented a coherent arguement.
Thant's waht narcissist do - they just make statements, then expect everyone to feign in your greatness.
How pathetic.

Of course you don't want to continue this discourse. Why would you want to have to publicly expose your obvious vulnerabilities on a subject you are so ignorant about?

great news from mccain
mccain on tv yesterday "russia should realize that in the 21st century one nation does not invade another nation" great news. i was wondering where our army went.

To braniac Pancho
Did you check out Putin's ballot in Ossetia? Check either: Russia
Orudie

John Farmer has it right
John Farmer, of the Newark, NJ Star-Ledger, has it right:

"Sometimes it takes a distant, unexpected event to expose the triviality of an American political campaign and the shallowness of modern media (aka cable television) coverage. The Russian invasion of Georgia, once a part of the old U.S.S.R., illustrates the point.

"While we're preoccupied with Britney and Paris, John McCain's age, Barack Obama's middle name and John Edwards' sexual exploits, an oil-enriched Russia, its military newly muscled-up, is signaling that it will be a major problem for the next occupant of the Oval Office..."

We in the U.S. had better come to understand that we're dealing with thugs in the rest of the world who don't even come close to thinking the way we do.

Spineless Europe
Don't count on the Euroweenies to show any spine in standing up to the Ruskies. I'm sure many leftist Euroweenies are thrilled to see their former patrons back on the warpath - reminiscent of the glory days of life under that thug Stalin.

Georgia
Launch a few missiles from drone aircraft to take out some Russian tanks that are clearly in Georgian territory. No American lives at risk. Russsia will get the message.

WHY DO WE INSPIRING BY THIS WAR ??..
, The propaganda is coming out from US -- from
CNN and even FOX. In this conflict Georgia was an aggressor. And I understand Putin's concerns
about his citizens. THEY were BRUTALY killed
by Georgians. Thousands !! of them.
But here in US we are still talking about oil.
WE are thinking that Putin is playing "oil
game" -- wrong ! In this game WE ARE the
players # 1 .
This situation is really serious. We are busy
with another costly wars. WHY do we need
to be a world policeman and bring much more trouble for our own country ??
Georgian president is our puppet. But I see he
looks worse then Iranian president.




It is time to get tough with Russia
Russia is still practicing its KGB thuggish tactics.

It is time to stop kowtowing to this facist offspring of the USSR.

Russia needs to be challenged now. There is no justification for its invasion of Georgia.
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