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Friday, May 09, 2008
Charles Krauthammer :: Townhall.com Columnist
Hillary Clinton's Long Learning Curve
by Charles Krauthammer
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WASHINGTON -- By the time Hillary Clinton figured out how to beat Barack Obama, it was too late. When she began the race in 2007 thinking she was in for a coronation, she claimed the center in order to position herself for the real fight, the general election. She simply assumed the party activists and loony left would fall in behind her.

However, as Obama began to rise, powered by the party's Net-roots activists, she scurried left, particularly with her progressively more explicit renunciation of the Iraq War. It was a fool's errand. She would never be able to erase the stain of her original war vote and she remained unwilling to do an abject John Edwards self-flagellating recantation. It took her weeks even to approximate the apology the left was looking for, and by then it was far too late. The party's activist wing was by then unbreakably betrothed to Obama.

But going left proved disastrous for Clinton. It abolished all significant policy differences between her and Obama, the National Journal's 2007 most liberal senator. On health care, for example, her attempts to turn a minor difference in the definition of universality into a major assault on Obama fell flat. With no important policy differences separating them, the contest became one of character and personality. Matched against this elegant, intellectually nimble, hugely talented newcomer, she had no chance of winning that contest.

She tried everything. Her charges that he was a man of nothing but words came off as a petulant, envious attack on eloquence. The power to inspire may not be sufficient to qualify for the presidency, but it is hardly a liability.

She tried a silly plagiarism charge, then settled for the experience card. In a change election, this was not a brilliant strategy. It forced her to dwell on the 1990s, playing candidate of the past to Obama's candidate of the future. Her studied attempts to embellish her experience led her into a thicket of confabulated Bosnian sniper fire.

It wasn't until late in the fourth quarter that she figured out the seam in Obama's defense. In fact, Obama handed her the playbook with Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Michelle Obama's comments about never having been proud of America and Obama's own guns-and-God condescension toward small-town whites.

The line of attack is clear: not that Obama is himself radical or unpatriotic, just that, as a man of the academic left, he is so out of touch with everyday America that he could move so easily and untroubled in such extreme company and among such alien and elitist sentiments.

Clinton finally understood the way to run against Obama: back to the center -- not ideologically but culturally, not on policy but on attitude. She changed none of her positions on Iraq or Iran or health care or taxes. Instead, she transformed herself into working-class Sally-get-her-gun, off duck hunting with dad.

The gas tax holiday was never an economic or policy issue. It was meant to position her culturally. It heightened her identification with her white working-class constituency. Obama played his part by citing economists in opposing it. That completed her narrative: He had the pointy-headed professors on his side; she had the single moms seeking relief at the pump.

It was an overreach. It not only deflected attention away from the amazing Rev. Wright at the height of his spectacular return. It also never played as the elitist-versus-working-folk issue she had hoped, because it isn't just economists who know the gas tax holiday is nothing but a cheap gimmick. Ordinary folks do too. And the gas tax idea had the unfortunate side effect of reinforcing Hillary's main character liability vis-a-vis Obama: cynical Washington pol willing to do or say anything to win votes versus the idealistic straight-shooter refusing to pander even if it costs him.

The lightness in Hillary's step in the days before Indiana and North Carolina reflected the relief of the veteran politician who, after months of treading water, finally finds the right campaign strategy. But it was far too late. And the gas tax overkill, one final error of modulation, sealed the deal -- for Obama.

There's only one remaining chapter in this fascinating spectacle. Negotiating the terms of Hillary's surrender. After which we will have six months of watching her enthusiastically stumping the country for Obama, denying with utter conviction Republican charges that he is the out of touch, latte-sipping elitist she warned Democrats against so urgently in the last, late leg of her doomed campaign.

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Charles Krauthammer is a 1987 Pulitzer Prize winner, 1984 National Magazine Award winner, and a columnist for The Washington Post since 1985.

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Yep
Nailed it. I am rather curious as to what the final terms of surrender will be. She hasn't got much negotiating power but, she does have some.

So, those who are anti-BHO
have HRC to thank: she's showing McAint how to campaign to victory.

Dick Morris thinks Shrillary wants McAint to win, so she can run in 2012.

The problem for HRC: (1) does she publicly undermine BO, possibly alienating all the dems and libs to the point they won't support her in '12; or (2) does she bow out quietly, and risk BO winning '08, so she has to go against an incumbent Dem in '12?

I say her egomania keeps her hammering against BO.

Charles
Your analysis of her campaign seems to be dead on. Great column.

HILLARY, GO AS INDEPENDENT !
Only one right step Hillary can make -- to start her own independent campaign. Her mind and hands
will be free .People need her -- a country will
support her .

It is even frightening to think that in few months we can, finally, have a first
"Anti-American" President .

She HAS a real chance -- START NOW and bring a real political character, gut and experience to american people -- to real americans, not to
the D.P . She still can be a great american
"IRON LADY".

How many peolpe blindly follow Obama and don't
see the toxicity of his candidacy ? How long
it will take for good americans to realize that
he lacks of judgement, integrity and lacks of
LOVE to Unaited States of America .

Obviously I see a president who wants more and
more taxes ( think about "GLOBAL" TAX also!!) --
but I cannot imagine having a president who
GRAVITATED HIMSELF to RACISTS and other anti-
American dangerous people .

We deserve better than Mr."Nonsens" .

HILLARY, MAKE YOUR DECISION !

STAY STRONG < GO INDEPENDENT !!



Here’s the real story.

Clinton will eventually concede to Obama around June 15th, later Obama will name her his VP running mate.
Nothing wrong with being the first female VP.

The FL and MI delegates and votes will be apportioned by amending the amended rules that struck them down to begin with by the DNC.

The Demoncrats will then spin the story that Hillary stayed in the race to make sure all the people were part of the process and that she just could not have FL or MI unrepresented at the convention.

It was not for her own political gain, it was all for the people.

I know Dick Morris will not agree to any of this, but I can’t remember the last time Morris was right about anything. Remember Condi vs Hillary?


Tat, hope you're not serious...
Who in their right mind would vote for Hillary as their first choice in the Democrat primary, much less as an Independent? Obama has a better personality & gives better speeches. Whynot vote for Obama if you're inclined to vote Democratic? I doubt he is anymore 'racist' than the others. Write in somebody who would be an improvement if you're going to write in somebody! I'd write in Ron Paul. Another poster mentioned Duncan Hunter as the candidate they plan to write in. The idea is to write in somebody with some principles if you're going to write in a candidate! Otherwise you might as well vote for whomever gets the nomination...

Hillary was never in charge
I agree, Hillary learned too late what had happened to her. It wasn't what you think it was about on how to beat Obama. Hillary learned that she never should have taken a back seat to talk radio and Fox news after the Ohio and Texas elections. When Rush sent the crossover voter to go and vote for Hillary, that was the end for Hillary in the way she ran her campaign. Hillary was no longer in charge of her campaign. The same thing might happen to McCain if McCain doesn't take control of his campaign and tell talk radio and Fox news he's running the show. Talk radio and Fox news set the ground rules for Hillary to follow and she followed without question thinking she was walking the center. Talk radio and Fox news weren't only leading in the attacks on Obama, they were campaigning for Hillary and making excuses for her. When Hillary sits back on day and reflects, she's going to say to herself she should have told talk radio and Fox news, the Rightwing she always fought against to go take a flying leap, she didn't need their help. Hillary was never in this contest against Obama. Talk radio and Fox news took control of Hillary's campaign and ran their own campaign against Obama and they used Hillary was much as their using Reverend Wright against Obama. If McCain doesn't want to follow Hillary's lead he needs to tell talk radio and Fox news he's the one running for President not everyone in talk radio and Fox news. McCain needs to act now before he realizes it too late like Hillary did in letting others take control of her campaign.

"Free" Is The Name Of The Game
Hillary got "out-freed" by Omamamama. Her strategy all along was the basic liberal offering, essentially free health care that everyone needs and free go-to-school tickets. Her reputation also preceded her. Obama's offer is free everything plus getting rid of the lying pols in Washington.

Negotiating the terms
of Hillary's surrender.

Should prove interesting, especially since she is dug in like Japan was at the end of WWII. Wonder what targets Barack needs to Nuke to get her to sign on the Missouri.

What He Shouldn't Do
I would advise Obama not to put Hillary on the ticket because being in league with Satan, she's likely to resurrect Lee Harvey Oswald.

He'd have to learn to sleep with one eye open and hire a bulldog to guard the White House while he was away.




obama
"She tried everything. Her charges that he was a man of nothing but words came off as a petulant, envious attack on eloquence."

Doesn't this just speak to the naivete of many, many Americans? The guy IS an empty suit(Hillary being an empty pantsuit). Am I the only one that is insulted every time Obama opens his mouth? The truth is, he really only speaks for a very small percentage of the American people. The rest of the sheep just don't realize it...yet.

HarleyMan
If Barack Obama wins the White House this year, unless he does such a horrible job as president that in 2012 he VOLUNTARILY steps aside from running for a second term, Hillary is NOT going to try to take the 2012 Dem nomination away from him. Ted Kennedy tried to do that to Jimmy Carter in 1980 - and fell short. It's one thing to run for president to try to bring a change of pace after several years of Republican rule, but quite another thing to run for president as an insurgent in your own party. If Hillary tries to unseat an incumbent Democratic president in 2012 who still wants to hold onto the job, however disastrous his administration may be acknowledged to be, the only way for her to do so would be to have to paint him as a disaster - and if even DEMOCRATS are saying that in 2012, then it's very unlikely the country would turn to another Democrat to succeed Obama anyway.

There's another reason for Obama NOT to put Hillary on his ticket as the VP candidate which probably relatively few are aware of: the word is that Michelle Obama DESPISES Hillary Clinton - and the feeling is mutual. Also, remember, if Obama gets Hillary, he gets Bill as well. Does Obama REALLY need such a loose cannon as Bill Clinton causing his campaign/administration constant headaches? To ask that question is to answer it.

Violating My Own Rule
against responding to Idiotarians; I am guessing Boutte can't spell a six letter word. Whatever letter it might start with!

Dhole
Give him a break, Dhole. Its a very hard word. I'm never sure whether the a or e comes first myself, and i'm smart enough to be a conservative. :-D

Even Krauthammer
is doing it, that is giving Obama a pass on his associations with radicals. K. refers to Obama's comfort moving around these university type elites. But doesn't that comfort imply a certain amount of agreement? Am I alone in not liking to be around people who think very differently from me? And yet Obama sppears to have spent a lot of time around them.

Obama has written about his attraction to radicals since his high school days when his surrogate father (his term) was Frank Davis the communist poet. Are others implying he and the others had no impact on his thinking. I for one would not want to take a chance!!!!!

Obama is an ink blot
on which people are projecting their own desires. Because his record is so slim and his words so guarded and shallow, we are able to see what we want and long for. Dangerous!!!!

my 2 cents
Hillary's running as an independent (with Ralph Nader for VP) is just too much to ask for.

We are SOOO unworthy.

Thanks Hillary !!!
NUMBERS MATTER .

I would personally like too thank Hillary for Losing . But why ?
Well it's easy . Bush carried 23 Southern and South Western states against John Kerry and Al Gore(Even in Tenn.) not to mention Utah , Montana South and North Dakota Idaho In both Elections .
Actually he carried 91 % of all square miles in America but lost all 21 Black cities and 6 liberal states .No big deal .
Remember Blacks are only 12.6 % of our entire Population and only 4.9 % will vote at best .
Might I remind you that 71 % of all Americans are White in those same stated Bush won as well 2 Times .
Oboma will assure a weakling like John Mc Cain a sure win .
Oboma 20 Minister and hate America friends and his 100 % Socialist Mind and Voting record is his enemy not John McCain .
Hillary would have pulled some of that Soccer Mom and old white vote but Oboma is dead in that water .
But Liberals will carry both Houses of Congress sadly .

99% Right Krauthammer
"After which we will have six months of watching her enthusiastically stumping the country for Obama,"

No way. The Democratic Party has turned their backs on the Clintons and they are crushed and angry. The First Black President has turned into an enemy of black people, the Friend Of The Children has watched as her former media enablers have torn every one of her stupid, pandering lies to pieces in front of her eyes, and one by one the old associates have turned their backs and joined the other camp, muttering under their breath that it was time for the Clints to leave the stage. There might be one or two speeches with Obama to show that she's a team player but in the end she will slink back to her dark cave in Georgetown and spend her days, like Gollum, yearning for the power she has lost forever.

ReCon-USMC
Sorry to bug you, but there's a 911 gov't conspiracy theorist on the McKenzie thread (if 2+2=4) who insinuates military service members were willing participants. To even suggest such a thing pi$$e$ me off beyond belief!! Nothing would make my day more than to have some other vets help to calibrate this idiot. Bon appitie.

skep41
I agree with you, the thought of Hillary "enthusiastically stumping the country for Obama" seems rather far-fetched to ME, too. It's hard for me to imagine that if Hillary doesn't get the Dems' nomination, that she's going to have any real desire to want to see Obama elected president and end ANY hope of her becoming president prior to 2016 - by which time she'll be almost 70 and yesterday's news. I agree with you, she'll do the very bare minimum needed to maintain the appearance of her being a team player. What I think is much more likely to expect from the Clintons in the fall campaign if Obama's the nominee is Bill Clinton "inadvertantly" saying things that will help sink Obama's candidacy and give Hillary another shot in 2012. Let's face it, Hillary Clinton only cares about Hillary Clinton, not the Democratic Party in general - and for her to ever become president, it means Obama can't.

5 Stars Dr. K.
The hillary problem is actually a microcosm of the entire democrat party.
They never learn until it's too late.

They still think a country can tax it's way to prosperity, even though every time it's been tried it's failed miserably.

They still think the federal govt. is the best solution for any problem from a hangnail to hurricane reconstruction, even though it keeps failing miserably.

They still think socialism/communism/fascism can still work if "the right people try it", even though history has proven marxism to be a horrible failure resulting in millions of deaths.

It's not just hillary who has a Long learning curve, the learning curve for the entire democrat party is pretty much a flat line.


Bouette the idiot
I don't use that word easily, but you most definitely fit the moniker.

How sad is your poor pitiful life, that the high point of your day is to spend time on a site full of people you hate, with columns by writers you can't stand, all so you can spew hated and anti-semitism?

Do you eat at resaurants where you don't like the food, just so you can compain about it?

Do you go out with ugly women just so you can put them down? (you probably call them filthy jews too)

I bet you do!

Do yourself and all of us a big favor, and go suck on the tailpipe of a city bus. the world would be a much happier place.

Bouette, you are simply a freak of the universe, and the whole world laughs behind your back.

Greenday
Yes, but unlike Japan, Hillary isn't trying to get one of Obama's allies to mediate the surrender between her and him, which was what Japan was trying to do with the Soviets.

Somehow I just can't see HRC bowing out!

Not in her nature, and since she already had several $Million of her own money "loaned" to her campaign... she's got nothing to lose...

And since when did either of the clintons give two hoots about anything or anyone but themselves... demo party included???

And don't forget, there is still time and there are still a lot of super delegates to bribe and threaten...


While I have NEVER... EVER... EVER... been a clinton fan, I do believe that when HRC says she's "In it to win it..." she means it...



USNbubblehead
I only hope that 2+2=4 and people who think like him - that 9/11 was a government job - function in the same level of gullibility in EVERY part of their day-to-day life as they do in their belief that the Bush Administration pulled off 9/11. Because if so, these people have to be the most miserable people on the face of this planet - because they'd be constantly cheated, taken advantage of, abused, frustrated, victimized, etc. In which case, it's NO wonder they'd be so bitter at Bush; they'd make him a convenient scapegoat for their OWN self-made inadequacies in life.

USNbubblehead
Sir I AS A FORMER RECON USMC SPECALIZED IN BLOWING THINGS UP ... BIG ,SMALL OR HUGE .YOU NAME IT .
IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT ENOUGH C-2-4 . B-2-3-
SUMPT CHARGES OR 4-5 TONS OF TNT INTO THOSE TWO BUIDLING .
PLUS THEY HAVE WAYS OF FINDING ''ALL KINDS OF WEAPONS OF BLOW UP S...T . I'LL LEAVE IT THERE ON A OPEN WEB SIGHT OF HOW THAT FIND DEMOLITIONS .
I PERSONALLY WAS WATCHING THE FAR LEFT NBC MORNING SHOW WHEN THE SECOND PLANE IT THE BUILDING ,
I HAVE TWO FRIENDS IN NY STANDING 2000 FT AWAY FROM THE TRADE TOWERS THAT SAW THE SECOND PLANE HIT THE BUILDING.
HERE ONE ....AL GORE WAS SO PISSSED OFF HIS BILLIONAIRE FRIENDS PAID
AL QUADA TO BLOW UP 9/11 BECAUSE HE LOST THE ELECTIONS ......THEN THAT MADE GLOBAL WARMING FOR PROFIT .

Boutte
Flagged for the "Dr. Strangelove" crack. Argue with the man's ideas (ideas: 5 letters, begins with i...) rather than making sub-ad hominem attacks on his physical condition.

GreenDay...fatal error
Greenday uses the 'j' word at his own peril:

GreenDay writes:
Negotiating the terms of Hillary's surrender.
Should prove interesting, especially since she is dug in like Japan was at the end of WWII. Wonder what targets Barack needs to Nuke to get her to sign on the Missouri.
----------------------------------------------------

The same historical analogy occurred to me. Especially when I recall the, shall we call it, 'tactic' of the desperate Japanese soldiers occasionally included removing the male member of living or dead Marines and placing it in their mouth. Beware, Mr. Obama.

GreenDay, you are about to meet AKAGI - world authority on Japan in WWII. Now, I shall go and hide. Good luck, I only have a PhD from UPenn and Akagi tells me I don't know anything.

I laughed so hard...any commentary can become an academic absurdity on Japan if you really try.

Akagi, I lied.

Jeeves ....
I just read Boutte's coment and was hot on your tail ...with this one! Ditto on that 'flag'!

That "Dr. Strangelove" crack had my temper boiling!

Do you feel proud of yourself, Boutte!...you lowlife piece of s#it! Talk about pond scum ....mocking & ridiculing someone for their physical handicap is beyond offensive!

I don't usually respond so strongly with a personal attack like this ...so I hope everyone else isn't offended.

Boutte! Your reprehensible!

I never said that
I never said you didn't know anything, Nancy. But your claim that "We'd all be speaking Japanese..." which was a claim you made is pure nonsense. And the book I forgot to mention in my last post to you is Racing the Enemy published by Harvard U. Press.

And I agree Nancy (I think) comparing an American political campaign to the end of the Pacific War is absurd in the extreme. As for being an expert on Japan during WWII, not really just a history buff that has an interest in a number of periods--Japan WWII and the US Civil War being two of them. If I have an expertise in something it is Taiwan politics and history.

Oh also one other thing if I may be picky. The Bridge over the River Kwei was actually over the river Mae Klong and most of the Asian workers were Malay, not Burmese, but the treatment of them was far worse than what the Allied POWs were given on the "Death Railway," so you were correct on that point.


Besides
I thought Dr. Strangelove was Henry Kissinger?


ditto
on the "Dr Strangelove" flag.
I am NEVER politicaally correct and share SUSPICIANS of Israel's intents, but Boutte is over the line.

oops
should really re-read these before hitting the post button, not during........but I'm not politicaally correct either!

It comes down to who's the best 1st lady
No one wants Michelle Obama as 1st Lady.

And that, my friends, sad but true, will decide this race.

It's the shallow, American way.

The elegant, sophisticated, good-figured blonde vs. the loud, big-butted, shrewish brunette.

That's easy, Mrs. McCain will win.

That means MCCAIN.

Wormwood Boutte
Dearest Wormwood,

You should immediately adopt a new alias. Entirely too many are getting wise to your Boutte identity. Besides that, you, my inept nephew, have overdone the Israel bit. Our Father Below is not pleased.

Remember the plan is to glean edible souls by
convincing the gullible that the well-being and survivial of America is incompatible with the well-being and survival of Israel. By your adopting the style of those barely digestible towelheads you are depriving our larders of the more succulent morsels. Be wary that you yourself are not served in their stead.

Your Affectionate and Ravenous Uncle,
Screwtape


MEDIA SHOULD HAVE DONE THEIR JOBS!
great article but i go deeper then that...the media is mostly the blame for obama being now the front runner and regrettably the nominee soon....sure clinton did exactly what this article says and true there were alot of mistakes but i blame the media for being so afraid to look racist and let this man have a free ride for so long before someone finally decided to do some investigating on just who this man obama was....thats a shame to me that this kind of man can actually be our president! someone long ago should have investigated and brought out all this stuff alot sooner then just 6 weeks ago..

i have now lost alot of respect for millions of americans around this country because i really didnt know the american people were so stupid to still not see that obama has serious judgement problems and quite frankly is infact looking for an internship posistion and just trying to master this whole thing as he goes....it doesnt work like that and the american people in this country just dont care that hes doing that...its become exceptable and is not right...he is the weakest candadate out of all 3 of them and will get slammed in the general election by mccain!!

something else very remarkable to me is the 1st lady should be a compliment to her husband and this lady is more angry, bitter and honestly acts ghetto! she has no elegance, manner or any of the traits you would want for a 1st lady! its almost embarrassing to me to think she could be the first lady!

WHAT A BIG MISTAKE THE MEDIA MADE WHEN NOT DOING THEIR JOBS!!

MEDIA SHOULD HAVE DONE THEIR JOBS!
great article but i go deeper then that...the media is mostly the blame for obama being now the front runner and regrettably the nominee soon....sure clinton did exactly what this article says and true there were alot of mistakes but i blame the media for being so afraid to look racist and let this man have a free ride for so long before someone finally decided to do some investigating on just who this man obama was....thats a shame to me that this kind of man can actually be our president! someone long ago should have investigated and brought out all this stuff alot sooner then just 6 weeks ago..

i have now lost alot of respect for millions of americans around this country because i really didnt know the american people were so stupid to still not see that obama has serious judgement problems and quite frankly is infact looking for an internship posistion and just trying to master this whole thing as he goes....it doesnt work like that and the american people in this country just dont care that hes doing that...its become exceptable and is not right...he is the weakest candadate out of all 3 of them and will get slammed in the general election by mccain!!

something else very remarkable to me is the 1st lady should be a compliment to her husband and this lady is more angry, bitter and honestly acts ghetto! she has no elegance, manner or any of the traits you would want for a 1st lady! its almost embarrassing to me to think she could be the first lady!

WHAT A BIG MISTAKE THE MEDIA MADE WHEN NOT DOING THEIR JOBS!!

THE MEDIA DIDNT DO THEIR JOB!
great article but i go deeper then that...the media is mostly the blame for obama being now the front runner and regrettably the nominee soon....sure clinton did exactly what this article says and true there were alot of mistakes but i blame the media for being so afraid to look racist and let this man have a free ride for so long before someone finally decided to do some investigating on just who this man obama was....thats a shame to me that this kind of man can actually be our president! someone long ago should have investigated and brought out all this stuff alot sooner then just 6 weeks ago..

i have now lost alot of respect for millions of americans around this country because i really didnt know the american people were so stupid to still not see that obama has serious judgement problems and quite frankly is infact looking for an internship posistion and just trying to master this whole thing as he goes....it doesnt work like that and the american people in this country just dont care that hes doing that...its become exceptable and is not right...he is the weakest candadate out of all 3 of them and will get slammed in the general election by mccain!!

something else very remarkable to me is the 1st lady should be a compliment to her husband and this lady is more angry, bitter and honestly acts ghetto! she has no elegance, manner or any of the traits you would want for a 1st lady! its almost embarrassing to me to think she could be the first lady!

WHAT A BIG MISTAKE THE MEDIA MADE WHEN NOT DOING THEIR JOBS!!

Thanks, Dr. Krauthammer
... for another spot-on analysis.

Democrats cannot win their party's nomination unless they appeal to their base, the far-left.

Since Obama had that sewed up Clinton had to shift to the right. Talk about a fool's errand.

CAN HILLERY RUN AS AN INDENDENT?
if hillary wanted to even though her carrer would be over if she did it. could hillary clinton run as an independent and ruin obamas chance of being elected?

im not saying it would be smart but could somebody explain to me if she could or not?

chillers
Hillary most certainly COULD run as an independent; I don't know what criteria she would have to meet as far as actually being able to legally be put on the presidential ballots, but I'm assuming there's still time for her to do what she would need to do to qualify after the last Democratic primary, given that both parties' conventions aren't going to begin any earlier than late August, only after which will the parties actually have their LEGALLY RECOGNIZED candidates for the presidential ballots.

But why would she even THINK about it? For one thing, her primary campaign is ALREADY out of money; who would finance a Hillary presidential candidacy as an independent? Second, even assuming she COULD raise enough money to run as an independent, it would be obvious to all that the only reason she was running WOULD BE to ruin Obama's chances to win in November, as you suggest, and she would totally burn ALL her bridges in the Democratic Party and henceforth lose any chance of being able to get any kind of support from Democrats in the future necessary for her to think about giving it another try, in 2012 or beyond; in fact, I think in all likelihood, an independent candidacy this year would also likely end her political career altogether once her Senate term expires in 2012. Thirdly, she still stands a good chance of being elected Senate Majority Lead or Majority Whip by her party before then assuming the Democrats maintain their majority in the Senate after this year; if she runs as an independent, she can kiss THAT off as well.

standshisground
well for starters shes a women and even worse a women scorned!! take it from me she will not sit down for obama!! i bet all the money in the world she is going to run as an indendent and she has a fund raiser in hollywood on thursday...why hollywood? i read an article on the breakdown of what would happen if she did it and guess what? she could win it even over mccain...why else would she be staying in right now? i know shes got things she can fight about but obama has now turned his nose up at her igonoring her and moving on!!

WELL LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING ABOUT A SCORNED WOMEN! THEY WONT QUIT!! SHE HATES OBAMA! AS MUCH AS I DO AND SHW WILL HAVE ENOUGH OF A COALITION TO ALREADY TO DO THIS...AS FOR MONEY? LOL! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY RICH PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD ARE DISGUSTED OVER OBAMA?

STRAP ON YOUR SEATBELT I THNK SHES GOING TO TAKE US ON A WILD RIDE AND DO IT!!

THANKS FOR RESPONDING!!

SO WHAT IF SHE RUINS OBAMAS CHANCES
the enire contry is already trying to make her look like a fool now so what does she got to lose? not a da**n thing!! i say shes going to do it! you ask what would she be doing it for? i'll tell you why....she has spent her entire in the political arena and you think for one moment shes going to let obama with no experience coming out of no where being borderline radical and take this away from her?

NOT A CHANCE...BEWARE OF A WOMEN SCORNED!!

Net roots activists?
K's article is full of distortions when it doesn't have to be. Straightforwardly he might have a point. However, he couldn't resist the seduction of deception.

It seems to me that to call a couple million Americans who contribute small sums to Obama via the Internet "activists" shows that he either misses something entirely or couldn't resist the temptation to play to the emotional bias of his intended audience. He sacrifices integrity and objectivity for a fleeting "gotcha." To call the two million contributors "left wingers" was also to sucuumb to the emotional moment and sacrifice integrity and legitimacy. Some indeed, may be left-wingers, but others?.....who knows. Certainly not Krautheimer.

He sucuumbs again to the self-satisfaction inherent in demagogery by labeling economists as "pointy-headed."

Krautheimer, the wh*re to conservatives, sells himself very cheaply.

CHECK OUT
the Anti Liberal Zone (click on my name) for NOT ONE but TWO scathing articles on the libdolts. Proof positive that I hit the bullseye?

No libs showed up to defend their ilk.

http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/

Where the libscum fear to tread.

GunnyG
is the last person on Town Hall I would take seriously enough to dignify his posts with a response. (Notice, this is NOT addressed to GunnyG, but rather ABOUT HIM.)

HILLARY RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT
read this article of how an election would unfold if hillary ran as an independent!! guess waht? SHE WINS!

http://uspolitics.einnews.com/article.php?nid=461158

Hillary, A Narcissist, Will Never Quit
Chas. hit the nail on the head: he said recently that both Clintons are narcissists. It is ~the key~ to knowing what their prime motivation is. A primary characteristic of narcissitic personality disorder is a sense of entitlement. I had/have two parents who were identified as having NPD (narcissistic personality disorder), so I know whereof Chas. speaks! Watch out for a V.P. spot or a run in 2012, or even beyond.

"Why is it the people who insist on giving advice can't ever take it?" - James Bond, "Casino Royale" ('06)

Excellent analysis!
I hope this analysis goes in the history books and is taught in political science classes. It shows well how politicians attempt to manipulate you and I by controlling their message and distorting their opponent's message. Being genuine doesn't seem to work well in politics.

To be fair, McCain does his share too, but it is less than the slick democrats. McCain slimed Romney in the primaries.

Reports of Hillary's demise...
have been greatly exaggerated. It's not over until it's over, and it's far from over. Watch and learn.

OBAMA WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN WEST VIRGINIA
i dont care if the entire world has already given this man the nomination because he is going to have to explain how if everybody wants this man and if hes the strongest candadate to run against mccain then he is going to have to explain just how he lost WEST VIRGINIA BY 40!

im usre the polls by tuesday will be a little better for him but right now hillary has a 43% lead over that liar obama! you know the one who lacks judgement and wants to run our country into the ground!!

dont give up on hillary!! tuesday is her day and just wait to see all the white people he cant get anymore!! yeah i said it!! WHITE PEOPLE!! everybody in this country is so afraid to say WHITE VOTE but im not..its a fact too!

OBAMA CANT GET THE WHITE VOTE THAT IS WHY HE WILL LOSE!! ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO CALL ME A RACIST GO AHEAD!! SICK OF THAT TALK!!

Maverick Mistakes Talk Radio's Intents
Rush Limbaugh's intention was only to create CHAOS by keeping the democrats slugging it out as long as possible, to damage themselves to that by the time November rolls around, both of the democrats would be tainted goods and unelectable. Rush isn't pro-Republican; he's anti-Democrat (at least anti these particular two). Instead of talking about how great McCain is, Talk Radio would rather talk about how detrimental Obama and Hillary would be for America.

At the time Rush started Operation Chaos, Obama was already the main stream media's darling and was ahead of Hillary. The media and people like Pelosi were suggesting Hillary drop out. The Rev. Wright crap hadn't yet hit the fan. The cross-over Republicans are trying to save the country and are actually doing the democrat party a favor by forcing them to look closely at their candidates and gives them a candidate to run with after more damaging Obama revelations are exposed.

Besides, this is a free country and people can vote for whoever they want to for whatever reason they want to. You have a problem with talk radio because thats where we hear about things the main stream media doesn't want us to know about. Exposing the truth can be unpleasant for some.

Hope Chillers is Right
It would be really great if you're right about Obama getting spanked by West Virginia. The remaining states to vote have the opportunity to un-vote Obama, sort of like take back the votes for all the people who voted for him in the early states who had no idea of Wright, Rezko, Ayers, etc. when they voted. Many Americans would like to take their Obama vote back!

YES BRICKHOUSE!! OBAMA IS WAY DOWN IN WV
hillary is kicking major butt as of an hour ago...she up 43% no lie....see the entire world had no idea about this clown and now all these people that have yet to vote are getting more and more information on obama (clown) so hopefully the last 6 primaries will show good..i know she will win big in vv, she is going 25% lead right now in kentucky and puerto rico shes up big too!!

hang in there things i think might be about to change however i heard there is fraud going on in oregon already against hillary so i hope they monitor the votes up there...i heard they were all turned in for the fraud so we will have to wait and see!!

Hillary Should Be Demanding Debates
I'd like to see Hillary demanding that Obama debate her on "the serious issues facing America" and what they plan to do about it. Obama is running for President and refuses to debate? Why the hell not? What's more important than explaining to us what exactly his unity Presidency will be like? What his intentions are. Obama should be forced to debate if he wants to win instead of having the media to all it can to have the presidency handed to Obama just because he is black and talks "soooooooo purty."

I want to watch them debate and I don't think Obama should be given a "get out of Jail Free card" instead of making him stand and deliver. Obama knows the more he opens his mouth and tries to discuss intelligent issues, he puts his foot in and the other food is stepping in doo-doo. Better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're a fool than open your mouth and prove that you are indeed a fool.

Count, Re-Count, and Re-Re-Count
If Hillary has any reason to suspect fraud, they'll triple-count. If they do find fraud, they might even want to back-track and demand more recounts. That'd be another reason for her to stall around and keep both her feet in. Even a little fraud mole hill would be enough for her to enter a little shadow of a doubt in people's minds. I expect Hillary to slug it out with Obama till the very end of it.

Don't kid yourselves...
There is one position far more influential that Hillary can still get to if she is smart; how about a Supreme Court justice nomination in exchange for dropping out and throwing her support to the Obama love fest. After he appoints her as the AG. Don't think this can't happen.


Akagi, you're ok
...no, not speaking Japanese, only suggesting we would not need to be concerned with a race problem. And, that was not intended to begin an historical evaluation of anything. It was hyperbole, I guess you'd say.

River Kwai - I said popularized by the movie of that name, which was very poor history - we agree. I've never even seen the flick, just read history of the period.

My studies were Restoration Poetry. I too am a history buff - the war in the Pacific and the French and Indian Wars.

I am seeking understanding of man's inhumanity to man. Islam frightens me quite frankly. Man is not a depraved creature...how to explain and correct the dehumanization of social, political and economic forces leading to barbarism?

Thank you for the book ref - I WILL find it.
(And, glad I did get something right)

You're ok, don't let Townhall.com get you down, I don't. Mostly it makes me laugh. Except my hopes for avoiding future barbarism are not raised.

Parker
Your suggestion makes a lot of sense. Although I don't think Hillary would probably go for a Supreme Court vacancy under an Obama presidency unless it was the Chief Justice slot - and since Justice Roberts already holds THAT position and figures to hold it for quite a number of years, I don't think Hillary would be interested in merely being an ASSOCIATE justice. For Hillary, it's either the top of the heap or not at all. As far as Attorney General: although it WOULD be a pretty powerful position and in fact would put her in a position to really settle some scores with conservatives, I'm betting that she would probably prefer the position of Senate Majority Leader or Majority Whip, which she would be very much in the mix for if the Democrats keep their majority in the Senate after this year, as is likely.

A Senate majority position
requires Hillary to continue campaigning and getting elected and she can't dump Bill if she wants that. An AG appointment makes her number one attorney with more power than even the senate leader. She can investigate anyone, even the senate leader, from the AG position and she will love that. Being on the SCOTUS gives her a lifetime position of pure political power and the ability to rewrite the constitution like a good fascist liberal.

It's the smart political move with the greatest upside long term benefit.

standshisground
Your discussion of Hillary's future makes a lotof sense. Senate majority leader sounds to me like what she would like. And don't forget, money is important to her. Power is easily converted into money, as she and Slick have often demonstrated.

Obama
What if Obama promises her a supreme court justice spot? Wouldn't that be the perfect exit? Not having to face her peers in the Senate after her tragic loss as president. Hillary for garbage collector!!!
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