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Friday, March 28, 2008
Charles Krauthammer :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain's "Hundred Year War"?
by Charles Krauthammer
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WASHINGTON -- Asked at a New Hampshire campaign stop about possibly staying in Iraq 50 years, John McCain interrupted -- "Make it a hundred" -- then offered a precise analogy to what he envisioned: "We've been in Japan for 60 years. We've been in South Korea for 50 years or so." Lest anyone think he was talking about prolonged war-fighting rather than maintaining a presence in postwar Iraq, he explained: "That would be fine with me, as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed."

And lest anyone persist in thinking he was talking about war-fighting, he told his questioner: "It's fine with me and I hope it would be fine with you if we maintained a presence in a very volatile part of the world."

There is another analogy to the kind of benign and strategically advantageous "presence" McCain was suggesting for postwar Iraq: Kuwait. The U.S. (with allies) occupied Kuwait in 1991 and has remained there with a major military presence for 17 years. We debate dozens of foreign policy issues in this country. I've yet to hear any serious person of either party call for a pullout from Kuwait.

Why? Because our presence projects power and provides stability for the entire Gulf and for vulnerable U.S. allies that line its shores.

The desirability of a similar presence in Iraq was obvious as long as five years ago to retired Gen. Merrill McPeak, one of Barack Obama's leading military advisers and his campaign co-chairman. During the first week of the Iraq War, McPeak (a war critic) suggested in an interview that "we'll be there a century, hopefully. If it works right." (Meaning, if we win.)

Why is that a hopeful outcome? Because maintaining a U.S. military presence in Iraq would provide regional stability, as well as cement a long-term allied relationship with the most important Arab country in the region.

As McPeak himself said about our long stay in Europe, Japan and Korea, "This is the way great powers operate." One can argue that such a presence in Iraq might not be worth the financial expense. A legitimate point -- it might require working out the kind of relations we have with Japan, which picks up about 75 percent of the cost of U.S. forces stationed there.

Alternatively, one might advocate simply bolstering our presence in Kuwait, a choice that would minimize risk, albeit at the sacrifice of some power projection. Such a debate would be fruitful and help inform our current negotiations with Baghdad over the future status of American forces.

But a serious argument is not what Democrats are seeking. They want the killer sound bite, the silver bullet to take down McCain. According to Politico, they have found it: "Dems to hammer McCain for '100 years.'"

The device? Charge that McCain is calling for a hundred years of war. Hence:

-- "He (McCain) says that he is willing to send our troops into another 100 years of war in Iraq" (Barack Obama, Feb. 19).

-- "We are bogged down in a war that John McCain now suggests might go on for another 100 years" (Obama, Feb. 26).

-- "He's (McCain) willing to keep this war going for 100 years" (Hillary Clinton, March 17).

-- "What date between now and the election in November will he (McCain) drop this promise of a 100-year war in Iraq?" (Chris Matthews, March 4).

Why, even a CNN anchor (Rick Sanchez) buys it: "John McCain is telling us ... that we need to win even if it takes 100 years" (March 16).

As Lenin is said to have said: "A lie told often enough becomes truth." And as this lie passes into truth, the Democrats are ready to deploy it "as the linchpin of an effort to turn McCain's national security credentials against him," reports David Paul Kuhn of Politico.

Hence: A Howard Dean fundraising letter charging McCain with seeking "an endless war in Iraq." And a Democratic National Committee press release in which Dean asserts: "McCain's strategy is a war without end. ... Elect John McCain and get 100 years in Iraq."

The Annenberg Political Fact Check, a nonprofit and nonpartisan project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, says: "It's a rank falsehood for the DNC to accuse McCain of wanting to wage 'endless war' based on his support for a presence in Iraq something like the U.S. role in South Korea."

The Democrats are undeterred. "It's seldom you get such a clean shot," a senior Obama adviser told Politico. It's seldom that you see such a dirty lie.

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Re Silver Bullet
"What the Democrats want is a silver bullet to take down McCain"---Don't know about that, but today a non-silver bullet took down a US Embassy employee in Baghdad, where the Green Zone was "hammered by mortar and rocket fire" all day, according to FOX online (see Google news for link). Big doings in Basra, too. Democrats don't have to make this stuff up, you know: it's really happening. So much for Bush, Petraeus, The Surge, success, joy in the Middle East, and other BS. We Democrats (who, in fact, are not all atheists) do most fervently pray for sanity to be returned to the White House come November.

Japan
"with Japan, which picks up about 75 percent of the cost of U.S. forces stationed there."

Japan gives us a discount on the land we rent there and doesn't cover much more. Japan spends only 1% of GDP on defense and the USA spends 7-8% of GDP on defense.

Many neo-cons, like Charles, say the USA spends only 4% on national defense. Baloney! The Department of Defense costs are 4% of the national economy.

They want to forget other national defense costs that include the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the CIA, the NSA, the $20 billion spent on nukes by the DOE and the $70 billion spent on the Veterans Administration to name a few. I'm tired of neo-cons saying that the National Security Agency has nothing to do with national security.


instead
of Japan and South Korea paying for their own defense (letting the good-ole USA pick up the tab) they are plowing their money into consumer electronics, automobiles, microprocessors, computers, shipbuilding, cellphones and hi-speed internet access. They spend their money on R&D to prepare themselves to meet the manufacturing and technological competitive needs for the 21st century.

Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao are long gone. South Korea is on one of the toughest borders in the world, yet spends only 2% of GDP on defense.

It's time to wean them off our protection and let them pay their own tab.

Lies and fantasies
Politicians tell lies and sell fantasies to the electorate, who buy the whole wretched lot, believing it to be their salvation, which they audaciously call "change" and "hope". Then the electorate sits back and hopes for the change to happen, only to be disappointed when they get more lies, broken promises and fantasies-turned-nightmares.

I tell you the truth: A candidate willing to lie to you to get elected is not your savior, and he has no power to change everything the way you hope he can. Instead, he nothing more than more of the same. You will see.

Culture of tolerance must be in place.
Good points, Zapdoodat.

I wonder if Iraq will give us a 50 year deep discount on price of oil, along with reimbursing our nation for costs of the war and our presence there. Cough.

Yes, that was meant as a sick joke. We know Iraq will be in OPEC, and will follow the dictates of that cartel, along with being allied with Iran.

I do think it is in our interest to maintain a presence in the mideast. It is essential.

This half-baked, neo-Wilsonian chimerical scheme on the part of neocons to employ our military as instruments in some grotesque socio/political experiment to see if Islam and democracy are compatible in Iraq should be consigned to the trashcan. It is wildly naive, dangerously idealistic.

Prior to democracy taking root in the Muslim world, a culture of tolerance and respect for dissent and differing beliefs must exist.

Certainly free elections in Gaza, Lebanon, Egypt, have not had the effect Bush had anticipated. In Gaza, Hamas won, and in Lebanon Hezbollah made gains, while in Egypt, Muslim Brotherhood gained seats in the assembly.

Even in Iraq, Allawi's party, representing a rare Shiite secularism, was soundly trounced in elections there by the fundamentalists.

What we can do is use the internet and satellite televison to expose Muslim youth to the liberalizing influences and ideas that should induce them to critically examine Islam and Sharia law.

We can't just walk away from the mideast, but we can cease this dangerous inclination of thrusting democracy on the region, in the form of elections, prior to a culture willing to embrace its values.

Well, Lilly...
....if you want sanity in the White House, you'd best leave the Dem party and the liberal loon club.

On this issue McCain is absolutely corre
Want to know why? Just watch the video on the link below. Dont believe it then keep you head in the sand!
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29406&only&rs s

Please note link on previouys note
The last three letters are rss (no space on last s)

Well I see censorship
to free speach has even entered townhall.
Some people just cant stand the truth. To see an opinion on why we need to keep troops in Iraq you only need to go to watch Geert Wilders video Fitna

costs of wars
The dims have no problem critisizing spending that goes to fight terrorists. But with some $40 trillion spent on the war against poverty and it's myriad of entitlement programs we never hear of that war being concluded or anything but increased spending to continue it's operation. With the left it is also selective outrage. The dims don't seemed troubled about the plight of africa or the ME but something Tibet is the cause they should be sup[porting. All inhumanity is wrong but with the dims it is also which has the most cachet.

krystalbird
I wonder if pathetic lilly wants to do anything about that area in Pa. between philly and pitttsburg she equates with the backwardsness she associates with alabama. But I guess when you are from the republic of mass only socialism makes sense. Lilly remains nothing more than a delusional mass lib elitist who thinks they know the answer for everything

McCains Error
It is true that the McCain qualified his 100 years statement, and also true that his exact comments are being misrepresented.

However, his commments can't be separated from the reality on the ground. Invading Iraq was a nmistake. The invasion and aftermath were incompetently planned and managed. The best possible outcome of the invasion is worse than the status quo before the invasion. The invasion is a financial debacle for the US. Iraq is still a hot zone. The occupation of Iraq continues to motivate anti-Americanism and terrorist recruitment.

What McCain did NOT do was address the reality, which is that, in all likelihood, Americans will still be in danger in Iraq 100 years from now. At what point, if Americans are still in danger, will McCain say enough is enough. Absent that explanation, criticizing his 100 year comments is perfeclty legit.

Why not just come home?
What do we really need bases for in Germany, Japan, and South Korea for? Are the Soviets going to invade? Is the North Korean army going to suddenly drive 5 miles south and run out of fuel?

Alternate Reality = US Perception Lily
This is from the Wahington Post

Ten rocket and mortar attacks have struck inside the heavily protected sector this month, according to the U.S. military. Most have hit in the past week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/0 3/28/AR2007032802423.html

To lily, in what alternate reality is ten attacks a month the end of successful PROGRESS over here in Iraq? It is only Sensationalized by media to include Fox but is not significant in war.

As I write this people are in the pools swimming in the Green Zone and the Baghdad military compound (its 4:20 PM and over 90 degrees out there). Folks are walking back and forth to their offices at work.

And we continue to work with Shia and Sunni on rebuilding Iraq and are having great success in doing so.

Try http://www.taskforcemarne.com/dog-face-daily/

Now Dien Bien Phu was a pounding by rocket and mortar attack but i gueantee you the french weren't going to Greenbean coffee shops and getting Mocha Frappe's and Latte's the way the soldiers in baghdad and the greenzone are.

Alternate Reality is Right!
tskldrlrssr writes:

"As I write this people are in the pools swimming in the Green Zone and the Baghdad military compound (its 4:20 PM and over 90 degrees out there). Folks are walking back and forth to their offices at work."

Yet, here is the official word on teh situation.

"On Thursday, the State Department instructed all Embassy personnel not to leave reinforced structures. A memo sent to embassy staff and obtained by The Associated Press says employees are required to wear helmets and other protective gear if they must venture outside and strongly advises them to sleep in blast-resistant locations instead of trailers."

SOmeone ain't telling teh truth.






Charles
Please consider me disappointed!The "Hundred Years" response was "Reckless" and may very well be,why the "SURGE" is under attack.Those Iraqis leaders,that control the "Fighting Groups",have been led to believe,we will not leave.This was done by "US" with the "HY" mis-speak.If America has any chance of being taken SERIOUSLY, by the WORLD,we must face the TRUTH...Also,telling it,might also help!!!

I knew it
Sooner or later, anti-semitism had to raise its ugly head, spewing from the lips of the loons and nitwits.

Woody from Iowa

Just saying what I see
I am on victory base in Baghdad and saying what I see Jack. And the Embassy is just one part of the green Zone. Ten rocket attacks a month is not a strong and constant pounding. but i agree someone isnt telling the truth. i would suggest getting the truth fromm those who are here. I have been on the Emabassy compund in the past and i know the way those folks are. It is not all heck breaking loose. It is rare for that sector to get hit but not unheard of.

I sleep in a trailer in Iraq every night since Sept when I moved out of a tent do you? And if you want "proof" email me at tinsldr2@yahoo.com

That's Great
But then I wonder why the embassy has put out that directive?

Hey Jack
Remember the state department people got all upset because they had to spend time in Iraq. Maybe the soldiers have a little more courage. Some state department people are afraid to walk in DC... nuff said! BTW looking back over time seems state department has more of a Neville Chamberlain point of view.

Kinght the Ostritch
Knight asks why not Just close our bases around the world? He would have us keep all our troops in the US like an ostrich with its head in the sand. This strategy worked very well for us after WWI.
I ask him why not learn military strategy? We have a thing called POWER PROJECTION. Having military bases around the world helps us project power to those places that need it. Hospitals in Germany provide a level of care we can’t get in Iraq or Afghanistan and much needed recuperation for wounded soldiers. Bases In Germany provided us the ability to launch rapid strikes to stop genocide in places like Bosnia and Kosovo. Those in the Far East to include Naval power and land bases in Korea helped us in places like East Timor and help us to provide at least some level of stability in the region. Airbases are important for quick response.

This does not include the extraordinary benefits we get by training our troops overseas, learning and mingling with foreign culture and introducing our culture to them.

Now knight and his brand of coward will say so what? Why should we care about far off genocide.
Well I believe that
1) I am my brothers keeper and
2) we have a self serving interest in keeping a stable world for business and prosperity. We live in a global world and the US is a presence for good and without us there would be far less stability.
3) as a Superpower and most advanced nation we have a responsibility to help out others.
There are very few senior military strategists that would ever say we should close all our bases around the world.
But the knights and cowards think they understand strategy better and would hide behind a wall while the red death stays outside and the barbarians will not come to our gates.

Tinsldr2 many people
have a very academic attitude towards world events. They like to think there really is no evil in this world. They rarely have a good view of whats really happening out in the world to them its all theoretical. There is an old saying/joke that a conservative is a liberal that has been mugged once.
They live in an artificial world believing that freedom and peace is a god given right. I thank god for our military and that there are still enough good people to keep us safe. The liberals of this world would eliminate the military if the could. Funny thing is after that they would be ther first ones eliminated!

Hagar
You are correct in that many people have an academic view fo the world. But then again, many people, you included, have a completely dishonest view of the world. Specifically, saying
"The liberals of this world would eliminate the military if the could." is a flat out lie.

wildwest
are you clueless to the fact that Republicans love entitlement spending also. Didn't the Republicans add on to entitlement spending with the $40 billion a year Medicare Prescription plan?

Isn't the growth of pork barrel spending from 3,000 to 14,000 projects a wealth redistribution plan from those who have no political connections to those who have?

"Social Security shall not be questioned!" - Ronald Reagan

Your freedom may be next.
Well he may be right because something happened today that changes everything. Today the UN passed an Islamic resolution against the Defamation of Religion. All who believe will say "What's the matter with that?"
Well the matter is that this is actually only about Islam but it gives credibility and an absolute green light to extremism of any kind by the religious and it will give megalomaniacs sanction for every kind of brutality. "Why shouldn't we stone them? The UN says it's O.K."
Also do we live in a world where we believe the non religious have the same rights as the religious? Will Pagans have rights against defamation? Can we defame Atheists or are some citizens of the world more equal than others? This the UN that we help to fund and from which the USA and the UK sought to gain sanction for the invasion of Iraq.I think there would never be that sanction now and you may or may not think that is a good thing but we may be forced to stay because we will never be able to return with UN sanction. After today does the UN have credibility or is it an organisation that every non believer, every homosexual, every Atheist must now regard with considerable fear. I think that today one of the lights of freedom went out in the world.To paraphrase- 'When they came for the defamers, I did nothing.' Which light will they switch off next??? Perhaps it will be the one that you would like to be free to speak about.

Jack
Didn't liberals start all the wars of the 20th century?

Woodrow Wilson - WWI
FDR - WWII
Truman - Korean
JFK and LBJ - Vietnam (those two really ramped it up)

Liberals are not afraid to engage in war when the country's security is at stake. And they will raise taxes to pay for it.

zapdoodat
since the great society was initiated by the dims I placed more blame on them for the excesses. Buty if you have followed my postings over time I stand opposed to all wasteful spending and failed govtgy programs. I have stated that any congressman for loots the treasury during the night to reward contributors or special interest groups or any number of wasteful products should be subjected to legal prosecution. This past year the president proposed an 8% increase in increasing the budget, the dims proposed 12%. All of washington is out of control when it comes to spending. All who use the treasury as their personal piggy bank should be removed from office, and that includes both repubs and dims

Freedomknight
Watch out!, the Boogieman might get ya.


Freedomknight
Do you suppose the UN will notice when imams call for death to all Jews? Do you suppose the imams will care?

It always appears to me that the UN feels very safe being anti-America, anti-Israel, anti-Jew, not so safe being anti-almost-anyone-else.

wildwest
Republicans were in total control of DC from 2001-2007 and went into a spending orgy (ie pork barrel spending going from 3,000 to 14,000 projects) The President presided over this and signed it all into law.

Now, for his 9th budget, when his Presidency expires, he discovers spending cuts. Bush should have proposed this back in 2001, 2002, 2003. This is the zenith of gutlessness.

With Democrats, at least you know where they are coming from. What are Republican values? Yet even bigger government?

The walk is far more important than the talk.

Polly
What I want to see is if conservatives who justify attacking Iraq because Saddam violated UN Resolutions will be as supportive of this resolution.

zapdoodat
out of control spending by congress has been an issue since the 30's. You seem to be giving the dims a pass. Byrd, stennis and kennedy are equally at fault for their pork spending adn growing the govt. Waste is waste irrespective of which party is doing it. Pelosi oversaw a gigantic farm subsidy bill this past session. She says this would be the last time they would fund such a bill. But continuing to pay farmers in nyc not to grow groups seems an obvious place to cut some spending, the ag bill seems to think that should continue. Corporate welfare is inexcusable as well

Wildwest
They both love to spend, so what's the difference?

OK Jack
Ill amend that to the extreme left but to me it gets harder and harder to distinguish especially with Reid and Pelosi running the show.

zapdoodat
there is no difference. Once they get to washington they all belong to their exclusive club that victimizes all taxpayers and only grows the debt. The only way to get things inder control is for the voters to start holding them accountable. Perhaps if citizenry starts removing various thieves from the halls of washington, things might improve. The proposed 1 year ban on pork is totally meaningless

Hagar, Not to Push...
But I don't know of anyone in politics at all who advocates eliminating the military. Do you?

hagar---Islam v Christians
hagar, I watched the movie, 'FITNA' and I am giving it wings on the Internet. The movie should be seen by every professional, political parasite in D.C. especially the two socialists who will surrender to al Qaeda and Islam.

They will destroy our military if either one is president.

Jack u must be kidding
Since Scoop Jackson all the left has done is cut military budgets. Why have we so few troops today? Remember all the base closings in the 90's? Enough of that argument.

fromthetop1
Seems we can say anything we want about Christians and Jew's etc. But Allah forbid we say anything about Mohammad or Islam. Time to call a spade a spade and knock of the emasculation PC BS!!

fromthetop1
Seems we can say anything we want about Christians and Jew's etc. But Allah forbid we say anything about Mohammad or Islam. Time to call a spade a spade and knock of the emasculation PC BS!!

So what if it's a lie?
When has that ever stopped a Socialist from saying something?

Look no further than the Duke lacrosse team scandal, and CBS' Rathergate. It doesn't matter to a Leftist if the facts, the details of what he says are not true. It is his template, his worldview that matters.

So: Duke scandal--rich, privileged white boys abuse the minority stripper with the heart of gold. Rathergate--it doesn't matter that the papers were fake, Bush cheated on his military service. And Quotegate--McCain wants us to fight for a hundred years.

Lenin and Goebbels, intellectual grandfathers of the American Left, must be beaming now from Hell.

Hillary delenda est.

Clarification, zapdoodat
American liberals didn't start those wars, but it is certainly true that they involved the US in them.

Hillary delenda est.

Back to the Article
Interesting how some lead the thread away from the intended subject…starting with the first post. Tell you anything?

I occasionally visit the Daily Kos. Its entertaining, but only in small doses. I’ve seen posts comparing and making parallels between McCain’s 100 year war statement with Rev. Wright’s racial and anti-American rhetoric.

Here’s the logic…the Republicans won’t take McCain’s comments literally, but they will Wright’s. The Kos members totally disregard the context of McCain’s statement, failing to mention, “That would be fine with me, as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed.” Then go on to justify and rationalize Wright’s venomous preaching.

How do reason with that?

Did we plan this or were we just lucky?

Our Iraq policy is a huge success. What I am trying to figure out is if they planned this. Nevertheless, our actions are resulting in an extraordinary outcome. We will see that the radical Sunni feeling of inevitability has been broken, directly by our actions. Before, Al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia as a government were promoting Wahabism and on a roll.

Muslims have a simplistic faith. When things go well for the bad guys, like after 9/11, Allah is happy with them. This gives them momentum on the “Arab Street.” Allah is with them, obviously. Now, not so much.

By empowering the historically more peace loving Iraqi Shiites we did more to stabilize the Muslim world than is generally given credit for. Saddam was the biggest enemy of the Shiites and a barrier for the Saudis, who flourished and could afford the luxury of supporting hate of the West without opposition or distraction. Now Saddam is gone, Osama hides in a cave, and the Sunnis and Shiites can concentrate on their longstanding historical enmity with more even odds, leaving us alone. Another massive plus is that the theologically more traditional and numerous Iraqi Shiites have risen in power to counterbalance the Shiite looneys in Iran as well. Any way you look at it, it is a beautiful strategic win for the US and the entire West! Who could have thunk it? Was it planned in advance? Are these guys brighter than we thought?

Aye, there's the rub.
McCain said it would be OK if America kept a presence in Iraq, "AS LONG AS AMERICANS ARE NOT BEING INJURED OR HARMED OR WOUNDED OR KILLED."

OK, McCain, WHEN are we going to reach that glorious moment when Americans can walk around Iraq without even one being "injured or harmed or wounded or killed"???

That hasn't even happened with our own police force here in America! Police officers are killed in the line of duty EVERY YEAR, right here in America, as they patrol dangerous neighborhoods.

Iraqi law guarantees Iraqis the right to keep and bear arms, just like we do. In fact, BY IRAQI LAW, each Iraqi family is entitled to have one AK-47 in their home. But unlike us, the Iraqis all hate each other's guts: The Shia hate the Sunni, and the Sunni hate the Shia, and everybody hates the Kurds. And they're all armed with AK-47s.

So I don't believe McCain when he says that Iraq will become so safe for Americans that we won't have to worry about them being harmed. What I see is that we will continue to take steady losses--a soldier killed here, a soldier killed there--indefinitely, year after year. Till the day comes that Iraq matures into a civilized pluralistic society.

That's kind of like the way America's Wild West used to be in the 19th century. And we remember what happened to Custer's 7th Cavalry, don't we.

5 Years of War and Dehumanization
By Wade Fulmer

The stories of these years of contrived war are sourced by political press evasives or by uncovered inconvenient truths of harms to peoples and nations. Five and six years of the wars of occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan continue the victimization, the loss of lives, limbs, and minds of our loved ones and of the invaded, bombed, tortured, dehumanized sovereign peoples of their homelands. While members of our military and families have sought to protect and defend our citizens and our Constitution they have been betrayed. With all our hearts we thank them for their noble service and sacrifice.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/5-years-of-war-and -dehumanization

Intheknow, you can't reason with it
That's why I sometimes think it will take a cataclysm, like a new civil war, to wash away the effects the American Left has had on our society.

Hillary delenda est.

Der Krouthead and Der Mcsane
Mr Mcain and Mr Krouthammer always fail to factor into this insane premise that in Korea, Kuwait, Japan, and Germany.... in all those cases, we were somewhat welcomed to stay and help protect. In Iraq, it is quite the opposite. The majority of Iraqis, arabs, and muslems DO NOT want AMERICAN troops in thier land. Just like we would no want Arab or russian troops in our country. Our response would be to fight back at every turn in every way. Kind of like what the Iraqis are doing. what a total bunch of garbage.

for jim
Jim writes: "By empowering the historically more peace loving Iraqi Shiites we did more to stabilize the Muslim world than is generally given credit for."

The "peace-loving" Shiites in Iran are about to build their first atomic bomb.

We'll see how "peace-loving" they are after they are armed with nuclear weapons.

When Ahmedinijad (who is Shiite) talks about wiping Israel off the face of the earth while aggressively promoting Iran's nuclear program, he's just showing us how "peace loving" he really is, right?

Can it never happen here?
To Zapdoodat
"Watch out the Boogie man might get Ya."
Chilling words. This is almost exactly what was said when people protested when the Nazi Brown shirts first started to beat up the Jews. The protesters were told, "Don't make such a fuss, this is Germany, you are imagining phantoms of a future that does not exist."

Typical liberal lie
This current liberal libel reminds me of the "Mission Accomplished" banner lie back in 2003 on the aircraft carrier. Libelous lying liberals still say that Bush said the war was over and that he was responsible for the banner being there.

Bush had nothing to do with the banner. The Captain of the ship approved it. In his speech on the deck, he warned that this was going to be a longterm project in the Middle East. He warned us to have patience.

Liberals seem to depend on their audience being uninformed and thus easily manipulated.

A little research----please!
Wake up!
I just want folks to get educated on topics they want to drivel about. Most who comment about the police action in Iraq have no idea what’s going on. Instead of actually doing a little research and having an opinion based on actual facts they take the easy way out and just go into their chant “Get out now” which is just plain LAZY! At the very least---read Michael Totten and Michael Yon as a start and keep up with what’s going on at the Long War Journal and I know there are several other good ones. But if all you want to do is continue your “Bush lied” chant then all you do with those who have some idea what we really are doing is display your complete and utter ignorance.

Count the cost
A strong economy is necessary to support the high cost of overseas military forces. If the government fails to properly regulate it's finances and can no longer afford to support it's military forces in other countries, they must come home. No matter what the political affiliation.

Hagar
That is not what you said. Please be honest. You indicated that certain people wanted to "eliminate the military" I am asking you if you know of anyone in politics who thinks that.

Of course, you could just fess up and admit you said it for dramatic effect....

Steve writes:
"Bush had nothing to do with the banner. The Captain of the ship approved it. In his speech on the deck, he warned that this was going to be a longterm project in the Middle East. He warned us to have patience."

Don't confuse the issue with facts.



hagar
"Remember all the base closings in the 90's?"

Wasn't Newt, Speaker of the House for six of Clinton's years as President?

Article I, section 8 of the US Constitution, says "Congress has the power to tax and spend."

Doesn't all spending start in Congress? Did Hillary put a spell on Newt and he became a victim?

to Steve L
Reread my post. I agree that the Iranian Shiite sect in power are loonies. No doubt. However, other than the Iranian backed Sadr crowd, the Iraqi Shiites are very much our natural allies. Their enemies in Iran and Saudi Arabia are not our friends either.

zapdoodat
Dont matter who was there it still happened. If you dont think you are in danger then you dont need protection. A famous quote "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" Vigilance in this case is to maintain position of super power. yes its expensive but the alternative is even more so,

jim
When the Shiites hung Saddam they were yelling "Moqtada, Moqtada." Whether you like it or not, the US is installing an Islamic Fundamentalist state in Iraq which will be closely aligned with Iran. They are biding their time.

The US has as much control of the unfolding of events in Iraq as the British did in America in 1776. I'm sure the British generals, of that time, sent glowing reports of things going according to plan as you do.


Jim
Jim

You are exhibiting a fundamental ignorance of the Middle East akin to that which led us astray in the first place.

The Shiia are overall a much more radical and fundamentalist sect of Islam. Sunni moslems have historically tended toward moderation. Where there are secular Islamic states, they tend to be Sunni.

Wahabbism is a radical sect that is an outgrowth of Sunni Islam. Aside from that group, Sunni are not as radical as Shiia.


Jack
I believe jim already qualified his remarks to be within the borders of Iraq and not a general statement. Therefore I can agree with both of you. Another common fundamental ignorance of the middle east is that the split between shia and sunni is anymore meaningful than the split between baptists and catholics.

I have read some good reporting from over there that the average person on the street regards that split about the same as we do the baptist/catholic split. It is a non issue. The ideological difference between the radical jihadists and the more moderate leaners is the true split. Just as here, the label rebublican or democrat may have some meaning but, it is negligible compared to the differences between conservative(capitalist ideology) and liberal(marxist ideology).

Hitchiker
I am glad you are not involved in resolving this dilemma, because you are wrong.

First off, you may not have noticed that the sectarian differences which you think are akin to the friendly catholic/baptist split somehow erupted in violence that has killed many thousands of people over the last few years in Iraq. See today's news.

The Shia Sunni split is the primary factor which this administraiton did not consider, much to our detriment. Ignoring it now will not make anything work better.

Secondly, the standard pablum you must have learned from places like this (liberal=marxist) pretty much eliminates you as much of a contributor to anything real.

The Iraqi Experiment
was begun with limited knowledge of actual wmds on the ground, so what? Anyone still arguing that Bush lied us into an unecessary war can be dismissed as a complete moron. There is a quote available from virtually every democratic and liberal politician in this entire country throughout the 90's and leading up to 2001 supporting it and claiming weapons of mass destruction. They have been plastered all over the internet and message boards for years as liberals have tried to rewrite history. I voted for it before I voted against it. Well, now that we have found no ready to launch biological or chemical warheads we should just back up time and not invade it this time.

Back in the summer of 2001, when the libs were starting their revisionist program, I was asked by a lib on the yahoo buckley board how I could support the war knowing there were no wmds. I responded that, as far as I was concerned, Bush could have said he was taking down Saddam because of his hair color and I would have supported it because by that time Saddam had done enough to warrant it over the previous
years many times over.

That the two democratic presidential candidates base their only hope for winning on beating this dead horse some more instead of making rational logical arguments about future actions as Charles suggests is such a statement on the utter moral collapse of this country that I am appalled.

Jack
I had not made up my mind about you until now. You are a moron. Come back when you grow up. You obviously have a lot to learn. I did not say they were akin btw. I thought I took the trouble to make sure the analogy was separate but, I see you have trouble with the abstract. It is difficult when the concrete cannot be mastered.

If it were only as simplistic as you portray, We would never have needed the surge. Whose side was al Queda funneling support to? Oh wait, maybe they were the bad guys and the sunni and shia civilians were the victims. Is al queda in mesopotamia in any way related to al queda in Afghanistan?

The administration did not consider many things. Monday morning quarterbacking may be a lot of fun but, it is not very constructive.

Typo
should read 2003. Oops.

100 YEAR WAR
I actually wouldn't mind our presence in Iraq provided criteria. I can only wish we had a President with foresight enough to realize letting someone (Rumsfeld) who hasn't been to war college, who dismissed war planning from the joint chiefs and generals, and who wanted to orchestrate his micromanaging of this ill planned endeavor was a horrible idea reminiscent of LBJ. As I've blogged before, the people in the middle east have been bloodthirsty since Abraham. Waging war should be the last resort because it should be so horrible to our enemy that nobody would cause one. However, we seem to wage war as if John Kerry was president and we were kindler and gentler. While this may have started as a noble experiment to provide those people to lift themselves from poverty and tyranny, enforce UN resolutions, or whatever, we should've honored our armed forces enough to let them - those with the experience and training wage war. War is hell and should be waged that way. They should've conquered and let the chips fall instead of analyzing political consequences. With our ability, overwhelming annihilation would've saved more lives especially American lives. If we can't stomach being the world's super power, stand aside at let Russia or China do it.

Hitchhiker Thumbs Down
Of course you indicated the the two were akin. Here is what you said: "I have read some good reporting from over there that the average person on the street regards that split about the same as we do the baptist/catholic split."

I did not indicate it was a simple situation by any means. But the principle which would have made it make sense in teh beginning was the Shiia-Sunni split. We should have known that a Shiia majority, largely aligned with Iran, would inevitably rise to power in a Democracy.

That alone would have told us it wasn't going to end well.


Older and what?
"With our ability, overwhelming annihilation would've saved more lives especially American lives"

No irony there, nope.

to: Jack and Zapdodat
You err. It is the Wahabi brand of Islam that is our greatest danger. Osama and all the 9/11 terrorists were of this stripe. Our best defense against them was propping up the Shiites in Iraq. I disagree that the Iraqi government is doomed to be an Islamic state. Sadr may be supported by Iran, but the people are not with him. The bulk of Iraqi Shiites are of a much less radical stripe. In many countries, such as Pakistan or even the US for that matter, this schism is meaningless. It is the Wahabis and their Saudi sponsors that are the problem. It is good to see them greatly diminished because of our actions. I much prefer fighting between these groups than them fighting us.

Common Sense about Iraq
Iraq is not a "nation" in the same sense that the US or France are nations. There are lots of folks in Iraq who will never acknowledge or support any government unless they control it. Americans don't really get this kind of political system, so I'll try for an American analogy.

Suppose that Obama or Hillary wins the Presidency and about half of you conservatives decide that the states, regions, cities in which you live are now going to secede from the US. Suppose further that the Clinton regime tries to keep you guys from breaking away and sends whatever remains of military units loyal to the national government. You guys (led, no doubt, by Mike Adams) get your home arsenals out, put together some IDEs, and rock and roll.

Picture all of this, but with irreconcilable religious differences thrown in, plus a long history of tribal divisions, and you've got Iraq.

I note that Pres. Maliki is on the scene himself, symbolically leading the Iraqi government against Moqtada al Sadr. This is an effort to show who the real big dog is in Iraq. As I tell my students, in countries like Iraq the warlord with the most gunmen left standing gets to run things.

Now ask yourself if neat little models of democracy drawn up by neocon think-tankers are worth jack in such a setting. Didn't think so either. Now ask yourself if more Americans lives need to be spent in such a setting. I don't think so, but I know lots of you guys do. Pity.

correction
Arthritic fingers transposed letters, so that should be IED, not IDE.

Jack
writes, "I did not indicate it was a simple situation by any means. But the principle which would have made it make sense in teh beginning was the Shiia-Sunni split. We should have known that a Shiia majority, largely aligned with Iran, would inevitably rise to power in a Democracy."

Okay. Let's play. I don't understand your first sentence. What principle to have what make sense? If the majority of people in a nation state are of one religion, one would expect the majority of a democratically elected government to identify with that religion, sect, or however you want to delineate them or categorize them. Does this in itself argue against ever using force? How is it inevitable? Are you not making some assumptions here that may or may not turn out to be true? That a shiite Iraq would automatically march in lock step with Iran. If you are assuming Iran to be such a threat that another shiite country is to be avoided at all costs then why aren't you advocating war against Iran? Largely aligned is a very loosey goosey concept.

There is much good going on in Iraq but, good things do not make the news. If it bleeds it leads. The final outcome remained in doubt for quite a while but, I do not think any longer. The tide has turned and whatever happens in the future, these efforts will bear good fruit.

dogg
so the self hating bagel eater makes his usual appearence to spout his nonsense. What's wrong has daddy the ambulance chaser and mommy the religious teacher who has taught you to hate others let you out of the basement for the day. Still claiming to support the military based on you alledged honorable discharge for getting a hangnail while in the airforce. How has your military disability pension engineered by the ambulance chaser made you so ungrateful. Since you feel so much guilt for your role in slavery, jim crow and segregation have you sold your few pitiful possessions to go to the reparations fund. Oh wait selling your bed and clothes probably only amounts to a few dollars but then sleeping on the floor might may yiy feel more repentant. I guess mommy must really be proud of the little hater she has inspired. Yoiu remain totally pathetic

Gestell
thanks for dropping in with your racist viewpoint. They are just like the blacks aren't they? Keep them on the plantation and out of your neighborhood and lock that gate at night. Just a bunch of savages incapable of governing themselves. We should just stay out of it.

I liked your analogy though. Put a smile on my face picturing Hillary and her thugs trying to forcefully reign in all us pistol packing hillbillies.

The only problem with that Gestell
is that after Bill's term in office, I doubt if she could get a single person in uniform to take her side.

Gestell
I suppose you think that a brutal dictator was satisfactory since it kept the savages in line and his atrocities could easily be swept under the rug and forgotten. Have anyone in mind to rule us conservative savages? I bet you do your highness.

Hitchiker
The situation is complicated. But, if we had viewed the situation geo-THEO-political terms we would have made a different decision. It makes sense as a theo-political problem.

The winner in the Iraq war is Iran. They are a Shia nation, and the shia will eventually end up in charge of Iraq. That they can humiliate and kill Americans is just a bonus.

As soon as we eliminated Saddam, we set up Iran to take over influence in Iraq. But Saddam was a secularist and was manageable. He had an ego.

You ask if I am making assumptions that may or may not be true. Thus far, every assumption I have made about Iraq has been dead accurate. I'll trust my judgement better than anybody who continues to deny teh reality, which is not that we are winning or losing in Iraq, but that we are stuck there and can't get out.


Krauthammer is right
It's not going to take 100 years in Iraq. America will be broke long before then. And with our military in worse shape everyday, we just might be taken over by Mexico.

Iraq has been a great success for us Charles. I haven't seen such a great success since the Soviet Union's tour de force in Afghanistan. Certainly you recall what that sucess did for them?

Yes, the brave al Mailki government will continue to play its games and use America's military to try to consolidate its own power and vanquish its own political enemies. We're seeing another round of it playing out in Baghdad and Basra even today. I think al Mailki is willing to fight to the last drop of American blood and to our last dollar.

But the real tragedy is that Krauthammer and the other neocons who have sold us this bill of goods for more than five years are perfectly happy to let him do it.

Ken in TN
you are right wont take 100 years the terrorist will be running around in your back yard way before that

Ken in TN continued
If you doubt that take a ride to Newark NJ some day.

Which terrorists, hagar?
I need to make plans. Which Iraqi terrorists are going to be running around in Tennessee?

Is it Dawa? SCIIRI? The Badr Brigades? Sadrists? Maybe the ones within the al Maliki government backed by Iran? Or maybe its the Sunni tribes we've been arming and paying $300 a month not to kill us? Or maybe its al Qaeda? Ooops, sorry, they are still in Afghanistan and Pakistan since we took a wrong turn into Iraq and forgot to defeat the people who actually attacked us.

I know, it's all so confusing. Maybe you like it better when Bush boils it down to the good guys vs. the bad guys? The good guys being us and whichever group of thugs we're supporting this week, the bad guys being those we've ticked off by supporting those thugs and not them.

Face it, we're refereeing a civil war and referees never win.


History will tell
wont it. Bush or no Bush. I hope you are right if I am we are in a world of hurt because most people have no understanding of logistic, projection of power etc. You think Iran isnt in this game? The whole islamic world is involved. OK there is no single controlling entity that makes it all the more difficult to deal with. Its WW3 you just dont realize it....yet!

World War III?
Actually the neocon fantasy is that this is WW4. Most of them claim the Cold War was actually World War III so Republicans can claim to have one world war.

But world war with terrorists? Maybe a little overdramatic, don't you think? We could as soon declare a world war on serial killers, drunk drivers or any other brand of criminals because that's precisely what terrorists are.

I just wish we'd quit helping them so much, especially at the expense of doing the things that are right for America.

Well gee Ken
Then just send in the FBI and arrest them. The we can spend Trillion paying of all the lawyers you'd want defending them. To me you've lost all credibility, over dramatic my Butt!

Ken in Tn
You need to read up on the history of the conflict between Islam and the western world. Especially the history of Spain. This war has been going on for at least 900 years, with lulls here and there. However, the history of Islam is conquest by the sword. While the western world wasn't much better, at least we evolved the modern application of democracy. People who are truly free to choose don't attack their neighbors unless provoked. How many worthless UN resolutions does it take to convince you that Hussein was not going to allow true inspections. All of the politicians of the time agreed that Sodom Hussein was extremely dangerous. Now you oppose the war. Wow what principles you embrace, like your mistress they are covered with the pox.

ModMark
writes, "I tend to agree. I never really understood, even if we can stabilizes Iraq to a degree (relative to ME standards), how does that stop the small terror cell from forming in Iraq which are planning attacks on the US?

With oil flowing, borders opened up, the terrorist will be free to leave the county. Then we are back to step one, protect our borders.

We really didn't think this thru, did we?"

How does that stop the small terror cell from forming in Iraq? It doesn't. You can't stop it anymore than Tim McVeigh could be stopped. You can't stop murder. You can only tag the body and catch and punish the murderer. Bottom line is Saddam had to be taken down. We are going above and beyond the call of duty to clean up afterwards and give them a chance at liberty and self government. We can hope and pray that the bird learns to fly but, it it simply plummets to the ground and is eaten by the closest predator, such is life.

Gestell and Jack
...have very little faith or confidence in the Iraqi people.

Please recall that the Iraqi people turned out in remarkable numbers -under threat of death- to vote three times already.

The Iraquis have clearly stated that they do not want to be partitioned as Sen. Joe Biden advocates. They want to be Iraqi citizens of a free Iraq unmolested by the Shiite radicalism of neighboring Iran.

Why do Gestell and Jack et al ignore that evidence?

Moslem tribalism emerges when people do not have faith in their goverment. Iraquis have had to become tribal to survive under Saddam for 40 years. It will take time and the leadership of the Iraqi government to overcome 40 years of mistrust/corruption. That's why Pres. Bush has told us repeatedly that this could take decades.

Americans are notorious for wanting immediate results and not taking the longview. OBL knows this and that is why he is trying to wear down the American people's limited patience using terrorism and the media's gullibility. OBL cannot win on the battlefield. They have to win in the arena of public opinion. OBL learned how to defeat the USA by watching us over time. He has calculated that American cannot accept losses or sacrifice over time.

The Democrats have found the 100 days lie to be useful because it plays on the voter's lack of patience in Iraq.

I'm sure that OBL is praying that Hillary or Obama wins so that his plan will succeed.

The Iraqi people are very worried that the the Dems will withdraw the troops too quickly leaving them unprotected from retaliation. Therefore, the Iraqi people are much less likely to help us out now. Why should they when we might leave soon and their families could be slaughtered for cooperating with the infidels? Would you report gang members in your neighborhood if you didn't think the police could protect you from retaliation?

Jack
writes,"I'll trust my judgement better than anybody who continues to deny teh reality, which is not that we are winning or losing in Iraq, but that we are stuck there and can't get out."

Just as we were stuck in Japan, Germany, and Korea. I think you found the magic formula for success. When we stick around and see it through, we are successful in building viable democracies able to feed themselves and not be belligerent towards their neighbors. Hmm.

In a situation where there are two warring factions like many hotspots, simply intervening and leaving would only be like the bell at a boxing match and when we leave they go at it for round two, or three, or whatever. In vietnam, we cut our losses and allowed communist thugs to murder millions across southeast asia. We are not the bad guys. When we have planted the flag and stuck it out, the world is a better place.

Am I suggesting we start intervening wherever tyrants rule and people are downtrodden? Far from it. I think we should be very choosey in our use of military power but, when we use it, we plan on following through. Half hearted measures are what earns world wide scorn and loss of respect.

We will be in Iraq a long time. I don't think we will be there in force very much longer at all. I see a drawdown to a few batallions of special troopers within the next presidential term, with more in Kuwait and Afghanistan available as needed throughout the area.

As for bin laden
I am sure the soldiers assigned to hunting his scrawny towel head down have a nickname for themselves and are dedicated to their job. This is one area we can be thankful for a never sleeping never ending government bureaucracy. If we don't shorten his days, we will certainly keep him on the run and looking over his shoulder every waking moment till they do end.

One thing many seem to overlook with the latest bad news in Iraq. The response has been purely Iraqi as it has been in more and more areas. The progress is really phenomenal and we owe our brothers and sisters in the military for that. The job these people are doing is herculean and they are coming through with flying colors.

Why not 2208?
I was with Paul Johnson after 9/11, when he said (to paraphrase loosely) that it is time for the great democracies to think about reverting to 17th & 18th century colonialism... just going into these hell-holes & telling them, point-blank: "We are here for 200 years. In the meantime, try to civilize yourselves."
Seems a better plan to me than cultural suicide. Or waiting till these nut-cases have atomic weapons.
I ask myself how President Obama might handle a day, if it comes on his watch, which makes 9/11 look like a Sunday-school picnic. Truly frightening. My guess is he would blame Bush.

thats what you would
expect obama, a no-nothing empty suit to say.

Hitchhiker and PB
Idea: After we (the coalition) defeat Al-Queda and Iran, what about knocking off Raul Castro or maybe even the Burmese tyrants? North Korea?

I think we (the coalition) should go after tyrants to the extent that we are able and where the people in those countries want to be liberated e.g. Kuwait, Iraq, Bosnia and South Korea.

If we take out one or two more creepy tyranical governments, I'll bet the others will fold up their tents all by themselves just like Muammar Al-Ghaddafi did after we got serious with Saddam. (Muammar was much closer to having the bomb and other WMD than we knew. Yikes!)

The USA is in a great position to bring peace through liberation to the world.

P.S. I think China is too powerful (think nukes) to invade although it appears that its people might welcome the removal of their oppressive communistic government. It's hard to say.

We need to fight where we can do so with acceptable costs to ourselves and where the people want our help.

China is a nuclear threat. Let's not wait until the other tyrannical regimes get nukes. Let's take them out now, before they get too powerful.

To Steve...
Don't know that I would be willing to trust or even listen to 'the people' who might want our help. Ho Chi Min & Fidel both came begging for it at one point.
Charles Krauthammer suggested during a panel discussion last week that Western democracies form super-alliances to off-set the UN... ready & willing to do the heavy-lifting around the world without having to kow-tow to dictatorships who use the UN to mask their agendas. Time to wake up!
You are correct. Just one display of willingness to use those means would be enough to convince most of the crazies to put off their plans for at least another generation. As for the unconvinced, just kill them.

The real winners.....Part 1
....in the Iraq invasion has been the big oil companies. In the run-up to the invasion of Iraq I gave serious consideration to the validity of the accuasation that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al and their big oil friends were using WMD's and other excuses as a smoke screen to grab the Iraqi oil. I dismissed that notion after seeing how "inept" the Bush administration's occupation strategies were. In fact I have said many times that the only way the Bush administration (or ANY administration for that matter) could be this incompetent in EVERY aspect of occupying Iraq is if they were intentionally "screwing" things up.

Well about 30 days ago I took a look at who, if anyone, has profitted from the U.S. Invasion of Iraq and what I found is.......

The real winners.....Part 2
.....every company involved in supplying petroleum products to retailers (generally not the retailers themselves however) has and continues to make obscenely high, record shattering net PROFITS. The other "winners" include but are not limited to: Russia, Iran, Venezuala, all the OPEC countries, Haliburton and it's subsideraries, various "mercenary for hire" companies i.e. Blackwater U.S.A. and of course the U.S. military industrial complex. The list of who is paying the highest price for this endevour is too long to post here but suffice it to say that current and future U.S. military personel are at the top of that list with everyday Iraqi citizens and current/future American taxpayers rounding out the top three. Then it hit me. I had been looking at the situation all wrong. We DID NOT invade Iraq in order to steal their oil! We invaded Iraq to........

The real winners.....Part 3
.....CONTROL the amount of oil they (Iraq) could produce! Why else would the Bush administration write up and implement laws regarding the sale of every Iraqi asset that was/is state owned except the oil itself? Iraq has the second largest amount of proven, easily obtained oil reserves in the world. What would happen to the price of a barrel of oil if Iraq was allowed to extract and sell all the oil it wanted? Exactly! This is why the Bush administration also adamantly insisted that the new Iraq constitution included a declared membership in OPEC. This way even years from now when the leaders of our government might be wiser than the ones we have now (I'm not holding my breath) Iraq's oil production will be beyond their control. It will be in our "friends", the Saudi's, control.

It's a simple and yet brilliant strategy. You keep supplies low by keeping Iraqi oil out of the market which of course keeps prices high. At the same time you "sell" every aspect of what it takes to extract the small amount of oil they have been given permission to sell to American and multi-national oil companies. Which companies? I bet if I had a list of companies who had a presence at those top secret meetings Cheney used to draft the Bush administration's energy policies I would know the answer.....

The real winners.....Part 4
.....But WHY? Why would anyone make such huge sacrifices in life, liberty and treasure? For the money? Yes, but not out of a pure greed for money. All of this fear and chaos has a purpose beyond making money. Check out this link: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2174and then step back and take an honest look at EVERYTHING that is currently going on in the global "political" world. I think the answer is rather obvious. In fact it is so obvious it is of the "elephant in the room" type of situation and a lot of people simply can not see what is plainly right in front of their face.

The real winners.....Part 4
.....But WHY? Why would anyone make such huge sacrifices in life, liberty and treasure? For the money? Yes, but not out of a pure greed for money. All of this fear and chaos has a purpose beyond making money. Check out this link: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2174 and then step back and take an honest look at EVERYTHING that is currently going on in the global "political" world. I think the answer is rather obvious. In fact it is so obvious it is of the "elephant in the room" type of situation and a lot of people simply can not see what is plainly right in front of their face.

pb
You correctly point out the difficulty in deciding who to rescue. That is a great question. I think the answer comes from history. How did we know that South Korea wanted our help? How about South Viet Nam, Kuwait, Iraq, England, France, Somalia and Rwanda? The list goes on.

I like the panel idea from Krauthammer. I have great respect for his opinions. The UN is demonstrably useless and corrupt. (See Oil for Food Program).

Obama, Hillary and liberals in general do not understand the whole Reagan concept of "peace through strength." Liberals continue to think that tyrants can be negotiated with, appeased and sweet-talked into playing nice with other children in the sandbox. Wrong!

To Steve...
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man."
-- Mark Twain

pb
I hadn't heard that Twain qoutation. Cute. However, I'm not sure it holds true. Haven't we rescued populations from tyranny and they don't bite us? Who has bitten us? Okay... France was biting for awhile but things worked out in the end, no?

100 years: Deadline given US by Islam

Thanks to Mr. Krauthammer for tackling this remark head-on as it passes into lies.

The “100 years” remark about Iraq by John McCain was a general warning to jihadis testing American resolve in fighting terrorism. It seems like it could have been reality given the determination of those who aim to destroy Iraq. But we know the surge in Iraq has proved to be successful and Iraqi troops continue to train more successfully.

The way I see it is what may have motivated John McCain’s remark specifically of “100 years” is the ever-present recognition of the deadline that Islamic leaders have set for America and the world. Several Muslim leaders (at least ones that we know of) have predicted that America and/or the world would become Islamic within 100 years.

Note how long ago the following quotes were made:

The executive director of the American Muslim Council, Abdulrahman Alamoudi, told fellow Muslims in 1996 that the United States “will become a Muslim country, even if it takes 100 years.”

Author Serge Trifkovic has written, “The first imam to deliver a Muslim prayer for the U.S. House of Representatives in 1991, declared in 1997 that Muslims will eventually elect the president and replace the constitutional government with an Islamic caliphate.”

The CAIR co-founder Omar Ahmad announced in 1998, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith but to become dominant," The Quran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."

In 1993 the Jemaah Islamiah spiritual leader Abu Bakar Bashir preached in Sydney, "The Islamic faithful in Australia must endeavour to bring about an Islamic state in Australia, even if it is 100 years from now," he told the gathering.

John McCain’s long-time military expertise demands he not ignore this 100-year Islamic deadline threat. And neither should we citizens.


To Steve...
Reagan had a similar insight, which informed his presidency. He writes somewhere about his days as a life-guard... how every person he ever rescued, when approaching him on the street, would invariably cross over to the other side, to avoid encountering him.
"Trust, but verify!"
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