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Friday, February 22, 2008
Charles Krauthammer :: Townhall.com Columnist
Snatching Defeat Away From Victory
by Charles Krauthammer
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"No one can spend some 10 days visiting the battlefields in Iraq without seeing major progress in every area. ... If the U.S. provides sustained support to the Iraqi government -- in security, governance, and development -- there is now a very real chance that Iraq will emerge as a secure and stable state."
-- Anthony Cordesman, "The Situation in Iraq: A Briefing from the Battlefield," Feb. 13, 2008

WASHINGTON -- This from a man who was a severe critic of the postwar occupation of Iraq and who, as author Peter Wehner points out, is no wide-eyed optimist. In fact, in May 2006 Cordesman had written that "no one can argue that the prospects for stability in Iraq are good." Now, however, there is simply no denying the remarkable improvements in Iraq since the surge began a year ago.

Unless you're a Democrat. As Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., put it, "Democrats have remained emotionally invested in a narrative of defeat and retreat in Iraq." Their Senate leader, Harry Reid, declares the war already lost. Their presidential candidates (eight of them at the time) unanimously oppose the surge. Then the evidence begins trickling in.

We get news of the Anbar Awakening, which has now spread to other Sunni areas and Baghdad. The sectarian civil strife that the Democrats insisted was the reason for us to leave dwindles to the point of near disappearance. Much of Baghdad is returning to normal. There are 90,000 neighborhood volunteers -- ordinary citizens who act as auxiliary police and vital informants on terror activity -- starkly symbolizing the insurgency's loss of popular support. Captured letters of al-Qaeda leaders reveal despair as they are driven -- mostly by Iraqi Sunnis, their own Arab co-religionists -- to flight and into hiding.

After agonizing years of searching for the right strategy and the right general, we are winning. How do Democrats react? From Nancy Pelosi to Barack Obama the talking point is the same: Sure, there is military progress. We could have predicted that. (They in fact had predicted the opposite, but no matter.) But it's all pointless unless you get national reconciliation.

"National" is a way to ignore what is taking place at the local and provincial level, such as Shiite cleric Ammar al-Hakim, scion of the family that dominates the largest Shiite party in Iraq, traveling last October to Anbar in an unprecedented gesture of reconciliation with the Sunni sheiks.

Doesn't count, you see. Democrats demand nothing less than federal-level reconciliation, and it has to be expressed in actual legislation.

The objection was not only highly legalistic but politically convenient: Very few (including me) thought this would be possible under the Maliki government. Then last week, indeed on the day Cordesman published his report, it happened. Mirabile dictu, the Iraqi parliament approved three very significant pieces of legislation.

First, a provincial powers law that turned Iraq into arguably the most federal state in the entire Arab world. The provinces get not only power but elections by Oct. 1. U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker has long been calling this the most crucial step to political stability. It will allow, for example, the pro-American Anbar sheiks to become the legitimate rulers of their province, exercise regional autonomy and forge official relations with the Shiite-dominated central government.

Second, parliament passed a partial amnesty for prisoners, 80 percent of whom are Sunni. Finally, it approved a $48 billion national budget that allocates government revenues -- about 85 percent of which are from oil -- to the provinces. Kurdistan, for example, gets one-sixth.

What will the Democrats say now? They will complain that there is still no oil distribution law. True. But oil revenues are being distributed to the provinces in the national budget. The fact that parliament could not agree on a permanent formula for the future simply means that it will be allocating oil revenues year-by-year as part of the budget process. Is that a reason to abandon Iraq to al-Qaeda and Iran?

Despite all the progress military and political, the Democrats remain unwavering in their commitment to withdrawal on an artificial timetable that inherently jeopardizes our "very real chance that Iraq will emerge as a secure and stable state."

Why? Imagine the transformative effects in the region and indeed in the entire Muslim world, of achieving a secure and stable Iraq, friendly to the United States and victorious over al-Qaeda. Are the Democrats so intent on denying George Bush retroactive vindication for a war they insist is his that they would deny their own country a now achievable victory?

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I love how the new measure for "Victory"
now is just Iraqi "stability". MAYBE, just maybe, we'll be able to return Iraq to the levels of stability it enjoyed under Saddam Hussein, before we haphazardly invaded.

What a HUGE, sweeping, wonderful success this has all been. Worth ever penny of the hundreds of billions of dollars it took to break the country (Pottery Barn rule!) & piece it back together.

I wonder what the next stage in the war on terror will be.... so all you "fiscal conservatives" can spend additional hundreds of billions of dollars bringing an alledged DEMOCRACY at a cost of.... what? only $20,000.00 per person? What a deal!

Conservatives spend money like it's Monopoly money. Borrow from Japan & China. Using hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to bring "STABILITY" in Iraq to pre-invasion levels. To say nothing of the thousands of lives lost, just to "stabalize" a country we, the U.S., "broke".

If we could all do it over again (if we could turn back time), we'd never have invaded. That's pretty much a consensus.

President Bush had the "vision thing"
Success in establishing a stable and democratic Iraq will reap huge benefits for the region and the world for generations to come, thanks to the President, the US Military and the American people.

Once again, the United States of America destroyed tyranny & despotism, and is in the process of replacing it with Freedom and Democracy.

Money well spent
The blood and treasure we have spent, and are spending, in Iraq are paltry compared to what we will have to spend if we abandon the country to Al Quaida, which will then be financed beyond its wildest dreams and able to spread terror around the world on a vast scale. Democrats cannot wish Islamic terrorism away. All they want to do is bury their heads in the sand and pretend it will go away. It's a thousand year war of barbarians against civilization, and it's been hotting up again in the last few decades. A stable Iraq as a U.S. Ally will be a powerful force for good in the Middle East, the heartland of terrorism. We can't let these cowardly and delusional Democrats have their way and pull our forces out now, and lose all our hard-won gains.

Al-Jazeera News
Charles, we are all products of the Information Age, which yields a surreal belief that we can reframe reality to suit our needs. This condition parallels the differences between a digital and analog photo. The former can be manipulated and does not represent reality, and the later depicts reality. Hence, a sole critic who transforms due to facts is superfluous when compared to a U.S. Congress that inundates the media with 'Defeat in Iraq' stories.

This is Freedom of the Press, God help us, We the People...

Sincerely,

Will you please come back to reality?
Will is apparently unaware of the history of Saddam Hussein's regime. Ask the Kurds if the currently stablizing situation is just an even trade-off for life under the Butcher of Baghdad.

Can we fiscal conservatives count on your opposition to yet another social welfare "entitlement" program on the grounds that we will have to "borrow from Japan & China" to pay for it - if Massa Obama makes it to the big house?

Or is it okay to borrow, as long as the money is spent on people who want their fellow citizens to pay their doctor bills?

Investing in the narrative of reality.
Earth to Charles Krauthammer: Americans have already judged Iraq. They don't believe it was worth the cost. The jury has rendered its verdict.

A major reason violence is down in Baghdad and Anbar is we are bribing Sunnis not to shoot at us. Another reason, a major reason for Baghdad, is Muqtada al Sadr's calling off attacks of his Shia militias. But he may change his mind and authorize attacks again because the Iraqi government is failing to protect al Sadr's supporters.

Petraeus' insertion of our troops into neighborhoods, mingling more with the native population, has reaped benefits, but after more than four years of a failed Bush policy there, the surge hardly erases mistakes of four years of incompetence and ignorance.

I read today that Turkey has sent its ground forces into northern Iraq, attacking Kurdish PKK supporters. This is certainly an escalation, bound to increase tensions.

Given Bush's moronic musings calling for a Muslim state in Europe(Kosovo)which would be ripped from Serbia, Kurds ought to demand Bush support their dream of a Kurdish Muslim state(ripped out of what is currently part of Iraq and Turkey).

Makes sense to me.

Charles, imagine
that you had been told in 2003 that when George W. Bush finished his second term, dozens of American soldiers and hundreds of Iraqis would be dying violently every month; that a major American goal would be getting the Iraqi government to temper its “debaathification” campaign so that Saddam Hussein’s former henchmen could start running things again (because they know how); and that “only” 100,000 American troops would be needed to sustain this equilibrium.

You might have several words to describe this situation, but “success” would not be one of them.


Apollospeaks
You are right on your points but I am convinced you have some serious misinterpretations. There is a marked difference in the leadership acceptance of Sunnis and Shiites. Iran is Shiite. Shia must be ruled by a descendant of Muhammed--in Iran that is Khameini. The Sunnis will accept elected or the most capable leadership. In Saudi and Jordan that is a King. In Egypt it is Mubarak. None of those leaders want to become subservient to Iran or they will be over thrown. Saddam ruled Iraq using Sunnis and Baathist. He oppressed the Shia because they would not accept his non-descendant leadership. Hezbollah in Lebanon is Shia, Nasrallah is a descendant, hence the constant attempts to take over the country. He will. Maliki in Iraq is not a descendant, Sadr is. Sadr cannot accept Maliki, hence his maintenance of the Mahdi militia, which is funded, equipped, and trained by Iran. There are 2 descendant religious leaders in Iraq, Sadr and Sistani. Sistani is old, Sadr is young--Iran wants Sadr to lead--we need to kill him now. I fear we are lacking in will and time may have passed us by to take any such drastic action.

A quick goole image search
for Saddam's victims will lead you to images like the following (warning-- very disturbing!!):
http://www.republicanyouth.net/bodypics.html

Will (and others), is this the Saddam-era stability of which you are so enamored? Have you forgotten the fate of the Iraqi national soccer team who failed to bring home Olympic gold? Have you forgotten the rape-rooms and the 300,000+ unearthed in mass graves? Do you actually care at all about human rights and the suffering of the oppressed? When a tyrant so oppresses his subjects, so brutally subjugates them through fear, torture and execution, when they are so ground down under the boot of tyranny, "stability" is a facade.

I do not celebrate the loss of America's treasure. But is it not better to have well-trained volunteers stand up against tyranny than to leave the lambs to the slaughter?

If you profess to care about the poor Iraqi people, how can you so cavalierly suggest we simple remove the forces keeping genocide at bay? Have you considered the fate of those Iraqis who have joined the struggle for democracy, or do you think they deserve what they'll get?





reality check
As a college freshman, I too joined the parroting throngs who opposed the first Gulf War with our trite demands of "no blood for oil." A year or so later I read Jean Sasson's "The Rape of Kuwait", which chronicles the atrocities committed by Saddam against the innocent civilians of Kuwait. I realized then that I had been quite shamefully wrong to protest the liberation of Kuwait.

gradgirl
1) America should never, barring an attack or uncontainable threat from that country’s government, attempt to dictate through the use of force the political future of any other country; 2) even the most optimistic scenario of liberal democratic Eden serves no compelling U.S. interests.

Let’s ask a different, related question: is it the proper business of the United States government to use its military so that people in other nations can be liberated from repressive governments? Quite simply, no, it isn’t. That isn’t what our government exists to do. It should use its military to defend our country, any allies with which we may have defense treaties and vital resources. It cannot be worthwhile to liberate other peoples because it is a kind of war that not only goes far beyond what our government is supposed to be doing and engages in conflicts that it has no right to involve our people in, but also because it quite clearly harms the United States in the process.


Aggressive war cannot be moral and it cannot be just. To choose war, as our government indeed did, is to choose to unleash all the horrors of war on people who have done no lasting, grave or permanent harm to us. They may or may not be wretched, awful people. They may or may not be tyrants. Whether they are or not is actually irrelevant to the question of whether our government has the right to commit aggression against another state. The bottom line is that the attacked state has done nothing to deserve our attack on it. How much less, then, do the civilians killed in the process deserve it? How can a war of aggression ever be “worth” the moral stain and illegality that it entails? How can unleashing hell on earth without cause ever be worthwhile? It cannot be.

Charles
Sir,or may I call you Charles?Your article seeks to divert the debate surrounding the outcome of this war,just a bit.Your point,a summary point,that Iraq is somehow improved as a result of any of "US" action is absurd.The Iraqi people were not rebelling against their condition.Iraq did not attack America on 9-11.So could you give me, the basis for Iraq's present level of improvements.Oh,I see said the "BLIND" man.We destroyed a country,with our arrogance and ignorance,only to now point to irrelevant conditions, that obstruct our involvement.The obtuseness is STAGGERING.And so are the MISTAKES...

sashal
Well, we can agree to disagree on whether this war is, as you term it, an "aggressive" war-- and I'll resist the rehashing of all the old debates about what th e intelligence was and who all believed it, but I will point out that Saddam's FBI interviewer learned that Saddam did quite cultivate the impression that he was developing WMD and had nuclear ambitions. My point, however, is this: while not a subscriber to pragmatist philosophy by any means, I think the most important factors as we move forward do not lie in so insistently looking back. And I am also deeply interested in NOT romanticizing a pre-war Iraq.

Sashal
You impress me with your litany of BS far more than you imagine. You obviously came into this movie in the middle, missed the beginning, but think you can relate to us the part you missed. You missed the treaty agreements made in the tent after Desert Storm, you missed the 17 UN resolutions ignored by Saddam, you missed the gassing of the Kurds and Shia after Desert Storm, You missed the US effort in putting out the oil fires after Desert Storm, and most importantly you have no concept of the need to have free access to middle East oil by the industrialized nations. Iraq is the key to that effort.

Could it happen?
Surely there must be a way for the Democraps, with a big assist from their propaganda arm in the drive-by media, to somehow squeeze their way to the front and insist that success in Iraq was all their idea. The dumb and gullible of America would certainly buy it.

Maybe they won’t. After all, they have had five years to ace out Bush for the credit, and have instead chosen to stand off to the side and smack themselves upside the head with a two-by-four. Maybe they are just that dense.

Iraqi Style Democracy
There are a couple of misconceptions that need to be addressed: [1] that the US dictates to Iraq what kind of government it will have. On the contrary, we are supporting the Malaki government as it tries to reach a consensus on how Iraq will structure is government. [2] For that reason, stability is our goal in Iraq- stability to allow the Iraqi to sort things out for themselves. We should not ask for more than that- they don't have to like us, or obey us. The Iraqi must tolerate us until they can secure themselves, defend themselves, feed themselves.

Warior &GradGirl
I have read your post and found them wanting.The wanting is manifested in your summary of this war and it's purpose.In 1996,Saddam said, that he would cease to take "DOLLARS" for OIL.Richard Perle and others knew the repercussions of such a move.However President Clinton did not agree with their assessment or their "Course of Action".Now if you understand economics, you understand the basis of the WAR.If you understand Politics,you will understand the words in parentheses...WMD, was for Public Consumption ONLY.

Pyrrhic victory, at best
Steadfast defenders of the Iraq war are telling us "victory" is at last in sight because of "the surge". Someone on another board I read responded to a complaint that Bush has no "exit strategy" from Iraq by saying, "Of course we have an exit strategy. Haven't you ever heard of victory?" Well, at this point, I would have to respond to that, "Have *you* ever heard of the concept of a Pyrrhic victory-- a victory that does as much harm, or even more, as a defeat"? It looks to me like that's probably the only kind of victory we can hope for in Iraq. I don't see much prospect of a genuinely independent and self-sufficient, genuinely free and democratic, Iraq that can provide positive help to the United States as we have helped it. At best, we'll end up with a weak and sickly "Islamic democracy" client state that will, as McCain has promised, need us to prop it up with our troops and money for the next hundred years. (If *we* last that long.)


Pyrrhic victory (continued)
I'm no Obama worshipper, but I think the quote I saw from him today on Iraq made perfect sense; the "surge" has been, at best, "a tactical victory imposed on a huge strategic blunder." Unlike the far-far left, I don't think invading Iraq was an evil conspiracy based on a conscious "lie", but like most other Americans, I've concluded it was definitely a mistake. We are expending lives, military resources and huge amounts of money for little or no benefit to the United States of America.... and, despite our good intentions and the undeniable fact that Saddam Hussein was an evil ruler, it's not even clear that we've benefited the Iraqis by replacing Saddam with semi-anarchy and "Islamic democracy".

What do we do now? I don't know. Maybe it's true that an immediate withdrawal would make a bad situation worse. But I'm not eager to vote for somebody (ke, McCain) who still thinks that invading Iraq was a good idea, that we should stay there another 100 years "if necessary", and that we should be looking around for still more pre-emptive wars to fight.

We are not the U.N.'s military.
Yes, Saddam murdered thousands.

You don't have to look very hard to find where despots in Africa and elsewhere have murdered thousands.

Yet we did not send in thousands of Americans, to die and liberate from oppression those in Afica.

Oh, I almost forgot. Iraq was all predicated upon Saddam violating U.N. resolutions....you know, the U.N., that same body whose resolutions the U.S. ignores when directed against Israel, or the one we ignore when one of its agencies presumes to claim jurisdiction over U.S. military and government officials.

Don't get me wrong. I have little use for the U.N. But some here seem to love to justify our actions around a U.N. legitimacy, and sacrifice our soldiers to enforce a U.N. mandate. Let the U.N. confine itself to acts improving humanity. Our military are under no obligation to enforce its dictates, even when directed to do so by an ignorant President Bush. It would be insane to send our military into Rwanda, or even Darfur, to relieve oppression and expunge tribal atrocities.

But one wonders if the U.N. declared an African nation in violation of its "resolutions", and if that nation was committing atrocities against its own people, would Bush be stupid enough to send in our military to enforce a resolution from the United Nations?

With Bush, I worry.

jerabaub
Why was it, again, laudable when Clinton invaded Kosovo--who never attacked us and where we still have troops?

Why were the Democrats ecstatic when Clinton announced, in 1998, that the U.S. policy in Iraq henceforth would be overthrowing Saddam?

Was it because the U.N. DIDN'T call for it? Or simply because we had NOTHING (no oil interests, no WMD fears) to gain by it?

Or just because Clinton was brilliant and good, whereas Bush is stupid and evil?


I won't pretend
to understand what takes place in the murky heads of those on the left, but I feel compelled to state the position for conservatives who oppose this conflict.

It has never appealed to my sense of reason that we have any interest in that region compelling enough to justify the cost or the loss of life. Add to that the lack of any definition of victory, any exit strategy, or any valid reason to have gone in the first place and I believe the American people have just cause to feel duped by an administration with personal reasons and advantages for motivation.



Violations of international law
WE HAZ 'EM.

Are we a candidate for invasion now?

Polly
We didn't actually invade Kosovo. We launched a bombing raid on Serbia to head off a humanitarian crisis which followed two previous acts of genocide by the Serbs. It was laudable because it prevented a humanitarian crisis and created stability where there was growing chaos.


I wasn't ecstatic when clinton made overthrowing Saddam policy. It was a kind of silly announcement. Although supporting Iraqi opposition groups was not a bad idea. This is a far different route than sending in the army and destabilizing the region with no idea of what to put in its place.

The fact that Clinton was brilliant and good where Bush is stupid and evil is a conclusion drawn from the result of their policies. It is not a premise used to analyze their policies.

Polly
I have already written in the past about this.

Clinton was ignorant. He relied on Madeleine Albright, his secretary of state. Albright despised Milosevic, and by extension, the Serbs.

Clinton was conned into this war. By the way, Albright's press spokesman at State Dept was James Rubin, who just happened to be married to CNN's Christiane Amanpour, who was tasked by CNN with covering the Kosovo War.

So you had Albright-Rubin-Amanpour "perspective" on Kosovo. The news coverage was slanted pro Albanian, pro Kosovo, pro KLA, and against Christian Serbs.

American public got snookered. There never were any mass graves of Muslim Kosovars, in the tens of thousands. It was a bogus charge to gin up the war.

And now we have G.W. Bush, equally as ignorant as Clinton. But Bush's ignorance is even worse. No one spoon-fed him what to think, like Albright with Clinton.

No, Bush's ignorance is all inate, from only himself, as when he advocates a Muslim State in the heart of Europe...a "free and independent" Kosovo.

Warrior 8:24am and other Posts
Your comments were well thought out, and historically accurate, not like "ApolloSpeaks". Most of his comments seem to be straight out of the DNC play book. Here is an actual quote from his 10:58am comment:

"Truth is the surge in Iraq has done nothing to restore regional credibility in American power, NOTHING! Our power, prestige and influence in the region is waning while Iran's is rising."

If he had left only the word "prestige" in his second sentence, I might disagree but I could at least see his reasoning.

I have been to your blog site; but there are no articles there. Please consider writing a longer, more in-depth article on the "politics" of the ME. Your 8:24am post left me wanting more.

Also I "salute" your service and wish you continued success as a teacher.

RE: will
people trying to answer Will by noting how awful Hussein was are rather missing his point. His argument is that stability is compatible with an awful situation. Just the last couple of days we saw Sadr publically contemplating ending the cease fire and than magnanimously extending it for six months. This should not be taken at face value. The point, of course, was to convince Iraq and the world that the best chance for stability now is under Sadr's "benevolent" rule. And as far as the best chance for stability goes he might be right.

Would the replacement of a dictatorship of Hussein by a dictatorship of Sadr make the invasion worthwhile because it produced stability?

In pointing to how awful Hussein was you are just making Will's point for him.

When did the Republican Party become...
...the party of warmongers like Krauthammer? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Irag did not have weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's army had been crippled in the Gulf War. Iraq posed no credible threat to the US. Iraq under Saddam Hussein was anti-Iran and al Qaeda was not a factor there. Now we have a Shiite government in Iraq that will be naturally aligned with Iran. The Turks are attacking from the north. Pakistan is destabilized. We've lost 4000 soldiers dead, 30,000 wounded, a trillion bucks squandered, and neocon-artists like K continue to spout nonsense about how well things are going. Give me a freakin' break.

Charles, points well made
I agreed with every point Krauthammer made in this article.
Reading these follow-on posts gets tiresome, when folks trot out their best "spin" as to why we should or shouldn't be in Iraq. We are there... and we need to win there.
Obama's ideas about leaving are populist chants; If you page back through history, there was much wavering by the public during WW2, and even the civil war. Thankfully, the forces of right stayed on course with a positive outcome, and now it would appear we are on the verge of a positive outcome in Iraq - why would we leave prematurely?

Being Right
Tell the zionist occupied governments of the west who support a muslim state in the cradle of Christian Serbia's civilization to shove it.

exF14Pilot
What does the postive outcome we are on the verge of acheiving look like? Who is running Iraq? Who is allowed to have an army? Is this positive outcome one with a government that is more pro-Iranian or pro-American? Are American troops still in Iraq, and if so doing what exactly?

One would think that from the verge of victory one would be able to see some of these things. But the only ones that I can predict from here are that any stable government will be closer to Iran than to the US. But what this stable government is supposed to look like seems to be rather a mystery.

ApolloSpeaks
Recurrently, I attempt to analyze and understand the politics of the Middle East. Not easy. There are 2 overarching considerations. 1. The Shia desire for a consolidated Islamic theocracy for the entire Middle East vis a vis the Sunni equiessence and acceptance of the status quo. 2. The Koran/Sharia Law dictate that any country (real estate) that accepts Islam must remain Islam forever.
Iran is the largest Shia dominated country that is an Islamic theocracy with Khomeini as its Spiritual Leader. Iran is the spreading cancer feared by all the other Sunni countries in the region. Jimmy Carter was instrumental in creating the circumstances that allowed Khomeini to return from exile and establish an Islamic Republic in Iran after the Shah had to flee.
Israel, the real estate, used to be Islamic land. None of the Islamic countries in the Middle East can accept the Jews on Muslim land (violates Sharia Law). Sadat, Egypt, tried to recognize Israel's right to exist, he was assassinated. content

ApolloSpeaks content
The establishment of Israel was an action of benign disregard for Sharia Law (stupid). That action has placed us in the middle of a war that is now in its 7th decade. President Bush learned nothing from that, he just recognized Kosovo as Muslim territory. The Serbs will not accept that and the Albanians of Kosovo will demand it in perpetuity. Stay tuned for more years of war in the Balkans.
The players: Lebanon has the group Hezbollah (Shia). The leader of Hezbollah is Nasrallah, he wears a Black Turban indicating he is a descendant of Muhammad. He wants all of Lebanon. Nasrallah is funded, armed, and trained by Iran. Gaza--Hamas is the power there (Sunni), Leadership changes depending on who has died (Arafat) or been killed. They are loosely allied with Hezbollah because of unity of purpose. They hate Jews because the Jews are on their land. Al Qaeda (Sunni) the big Chief is Osama Bin Laden. Al Qaeda has worldwide reach--their intent is to spread Islam and kill infidels: they will attack any facility on Muslim land that caters to or is inhabited by non-Muslims.
Our program in the Middle East is very complicated and it has a very high probability of failure.

ApolloSpeaks
Spell check changed cont'd to "content".

The Question that Should Be Asked
Dear Mr. Krauthammer:

In your column today you ask, "Are the Democrats so intent on denying George Bush retroactive vindication for a war they insist is his that they would deny their own country a now achievable victory?"

The question that should be asked is, "Are George W. Bush adherents so locked in they cannot or will not admit they and the country have been betrayed by their leader?"

You have only to read one document to ascertain the depth of that betrayal: Pres. Bush's Oct. 7, 2002 speech selling the Iraq war to the American people.

On Oct. 7, 2002 Pres. Bush underscored just how vital war in Iraq was to the security and survival of the United States.

And the President emphasized that because war in Iraq was so important and imperative Mr. Bush promised to "plan carefully" and also, to employ the full might of our military to ensure swift victory, stability in Iraq and the security of the United States.

But what did the American people get? According to Sen. John McCain, we got a world-class incompetent, Donald Rumsfeld to oversee what Sen. McCain has labeled "a terribly mismanaged war." According to Town Hall columnist Dinesh D'Souza, Pres. Bush surrounded himself with "cronies and sycophants." Gov. Mitt Romney critiqued that after a "brilliant" beginning, the Iraq War, supposedly so vital to the security of the U.S., was "umisrmanaged. underprepared. underplanned and understaffed."

And Town Hall columnist Rich Lowry leveled the most damaging criticism when on Oct. 8, 2007 Lowry wrote: "The U.S. government has never brought to bear its resources in a truly national effort to win (the Iraq War)."

Why would a President of the most powerful nation in the world fail to go all out in a war he sold as being so important to his country's survival?

(Continued below)

Question that Should Be Asked (Continued
Had Pres. Bush surrounded himself with the best and the brightest instead of arrogant and incompetent sycophants, and had the President honored his promises made in 2002 a surge in 2007 would have been unnecessary and at least a thousand of our brave military might still be with us today.

"Retroactive vindication" you say? Given the above, retroactive impeachment would better fill the bill.

DaveF

jerabaub writes:
jerabaub writes: "...Bush's ignorance is all inate (sic)"

What exactly was "in" what he "ate" (it should be innate)?

Admittedly, Bush is no idiot, but he sometimes plays one on TV.

But should you, jerabaub, be calling anyone else ignorant? I wonder if you can even understand the question.

sashal
WWII and the deaths of 6 million Jews, gays, and other "undesirables" the rape of Nanking could have been avoided with a little early intervention.

jerubaum(?), So today
you state that Bill Clinton, (whom libs have told us was the MOST brilliant man EVER in the WH)was duped by Madeleine Halfbright into Kosovo, and you then offer your assertion that George Bush, (whom libs have insisted for years is retarded), is the mastermind evil genius in the matter of the Iraq war. Oh, okay.

Note to all: Follow the money-
Bill Clinton and George Bush are both WRONG and guilty as h@ll in the matter of Kosovo and what is happening there.

Charles
writes, "Are the Democrats so intent on denying George Bush retroactive vindication for a war they insist is his that they would deny their own country a now achievable victory? "

Of course, they are, as will attested in the first post to this column. They will come around when the victory is complete and claim their responsibility. So it will be written. So it will be remembered. Somehow the world just keeps getting better despite the liberals' best efforts. Sounds like the need for McCain is decreasing every day. By November, when Iraq becomes the new tourist hotspot, his raison d'etre will need some work.

The next four years will be the Obama chapter. Taxes will soar. Growth will slow. People will feel more entitled then ever before. The United States will look like a European country much to the joy of the redistributionists. After untold Billions have been spent domestically, the bottom 20 percent of the income bracket will still be there. Not the same people, of course, but the same bracket.

Lon
writes, "One would think that from the verge of victory one would be able to see some of these things. But the only ones that I can predict from here are that any stable government will be closer to Iran than to the US. But what this stable government is supposed to look like seems to be rather a mystery"

Did you not get the prototype or the specs that were sent out? You seem to assume there should be generally accepted landmarks or signs leading to some specific end result or product. We are not assembling an automobile over there.

Will Writes
If we could all do it over again (if we could turn back time), we'd never have invaded. That's pretty much a consensus.

Isn't hindsight lovely. Will I submit you are a clueless troll who enjoys the responses of irate humans.

I suggest you are mindlessly ignorant of history.
Ever wonder how long it took to subdue the Nazis? How many years have we remained in Germany? How many years did it take to change the warrior culture and throne worship of the Japanese?

I can give you a hint, It wasn't done in a year or two. While you count bodies in Iraq, twice that number of innocent US citizens are murdered by illegal aliens. Do you care?

I'm guessing you are a recently freed convict from the US educational prison system.

Being maleducated is no reason not to educate yourself. There is a wonderful amount of knowledge available on the net. Start with logic to help you progress to the point you are able to sift the wheat from the chaff.

Persephone
At least you are not a drooler, i.e. an indiscriminate idolizer of G.W.Bush, and for that you deserve a cigar.

Not being a lib, I don't know what the thought processes are among that political group(regarding whether Bill Clinton is deemed to be so brilliant...I know he himself thinks he is), but if you want to attribute the disaster in Iraq as the work of an evil "genius", be my guest.

I would characterize it as the work of a fool.

Insofar as Kosovo is concerned, you are correct.

Bush and Clinton are both idiots on Kosovo.

Was the purpose of the SURGE achieved?
The purpose was to give the Iraq government a break so they could do their thing as a government. The purpose was not achieved; so the surge was a failure.

Surge Purpose
Maury, you need to read the last several paragraphs of this article, and you'll notice that there is progress.
I think the term "failure" must be the most popular word among political folks this year... and way overused.

Re: Laurie at 10:57 am
Whether it was part of the initial planning or not going into Iraq was a brilliant move. If you look at the borders of Iraq you has Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria. In a single move we put a significant amount of fire power on the borders of all three countries. The means we have a 120 mm smooth bore aimed at these states and in range. Since these 3 states are currently the biggest supporters of international terrorism it makes sense to blunt their favorite weapon by threatening the source. Which we now are in position to effectively do. My expectation would be once Iraq is stable we'll negotiate basing rights inside their borders giving us strike capabilities for any or all three terrorist states.

The other hype I see is that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that's quite correct. But Iraq did support terrorists which specifically targeted US citizens. And, at least from Hussien's point of view, Iraq is in a superior tactical position for watchdogging the whole region. Basically, with Iraq stable and our ally we cut the heart out of the ME terrorist states.

Can History repeat itself?
More than a hundred and fifty years ago, a Republican president insisted on continuing an unpopular war that was causing huge loss of life and treasure against the stringent opposition of the Democrats. Today, few people doubt the wisdom and long sightedness of Abraham Lincoln. Hmmmmmmm.......

Re: Maury at 4:34 pm
I'm going to guess that you didn't really read the article. The fact is that the surge worked as the Maliki government has started governing. Which includes passing legislation (a theoretical democratic requirement/benchmark). I would say that surge has in fact been successful to date. We need to keep the pressure on the terrorists and get the foreigners to self deport. As it stands the citizens of Iraq are standing up to these thugs and terrorists and the thugs and terrorists are being systematically pushed out of the urban areas and into the villages and from the villages to caves and from the caves to their native countries. It only makes good sense to keep up the pressure which has succeeded thus far.

How about all of you hot shots
that want to point to the 'what if' and 'if we knew then' scenarios realize that we can't change any of that. We are where we are...

"What is best for our country now?" is the right question.

That's the trouble with many that post here - pick on decisions of the past instead of suggesting viable solutions going forward.

For Tadpole Re Harping on past decisions
Tadpole at 5:34 p.m. writes:

"That's the trouble with many that post here - pick on decisions of the past instead of suggesting viable solutions going forward."


Tadpole's comment above recalls the Sept. 13, 2005 Town Hall column by National Review editor Rich Lowry, who wrote:

"A vigorous blame game is still the only way to keep government failures from being conveniently ignored."

Holding our elected officials accountable for their blundering in office now will help prevent the same kind of "mistakes" from being repeated by our future presidents and their staffs. And you can't get solutions any more beneficial than that.

DaveF

impact of just threatening to withdraw
If I'm an Iraqui citizen or politician, I'm watching the US elections with piqued interest. I wouldn't fully commit to battling the insurgents because my protectors (The US military) might leave soon. If they do that that leaves my family and I vulnerable to retribution. Therefore, the Dems emphatic promises to withdraw the troops asap if elected are ALREADY costing the lives of US soldiers and Iraquis. This point needs to be driven home to the American electorate but the media is heretofore unwilling to do so. How come?

Unemployed Gravediggers
One newspaper responded to the success of the surge by running an article on the massive unemployment among those who used to dig graves for a living. Talk about negative spin.

Will, go back to your homosexual posts
Will writes: Friday, February, 22, 2008 12:37 AM
I love how the new measure for "Victory"
now is just Iraqi "stability". MAYBE, just maybe, we'll be able to return Iraq to the levels of stability it enjoyed under Saddam Hussein, before we haphazardly invaded.
________________________________________

Yes, we will definitely be able to return Iraq to the levels of stability enjoyed under Saddam Hussein, and WITHOUT UDAY AND QUSAY TO PERFORM THEIR MURDEROUS DEEDS. Will may not like that arrangment, but the Iraqis sure do. Oh the libs/lefties and their nonsense.

GREAT WORK, MR KRAUTHAMMER!!!
GREAT PIECE, MR KRAUTHAMMER!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!

Well, at least they're consistent.
"But it's all pointless unless you get national reconciliation.

"National" is a way to ignore what is taking place at the local and provincial level... Doesn't count, you see. Democrats demand nothing less than federal-level reconciliation, and it has to be expressed in actual legislation."

Focus on the "national"- or in other words, the consolidation and expansion of power- is the raison d'etre of the modern Democratic party.

Good News
Great reporting.

The Dems will ignore and deny any success that runs counter to their agenda.

Politics over well-being for our country.

The Democratic Party has become so disingenuous that it is beyond sickening - hopefully, we won't get desensitized.

It is like telling a lie often enough it might eventually get believed.

cleverness of me-
How true, Ann Coulter once said that if Bush developed a cure for cancer, Democrats would complain about unemployed lab rats-

Give me a break people!
The Middle east is a haven for terrorists. They are bankrolled, supplied, trained and harbored in most Arab countries by their govt's. They have attacked us multiple times over the years, then retreat to their safe havens, while these countries govt's deny any culpability. No wonder these people are hoping for a Democratic win this November. That means a win for them.

reality
We are not the U.N.'s military.>>>

That's because we don't have a liberal president. Or do you think Kerry wouldn't have troops in Africa right now?

Clue: liberals are all for using our military any where in the world ... as long as it's not in our national interest. Can you say Kosovo?

think then type
Warrior, I suggest you click ApolloSpeaks and read my entire article, The Rise of Nuclear Iran. You are right: no Sunni Arab leader wants to be subservient to Iran. In fact, no Sunni leader wants the mullahs in power developing nuclear weapons and menacing the region. >>>

The logical conclusion to your observation is that almost every arab country needs us more than ever.

Truth is the surge in Iraq has done nothing to restore regional credibility in American power, NOTHING!>>>

Other than liberal propaganda, what makes you think we need to restore credibility? Seriously, Bush has done exactly what he said he'd do. And, no other military on Earth could do it. Not, Iran, not Russia ... not anybody!

Our power, prestige and influence in the region is waning while Iran's is rising.>>>

Iran has hit its high water mark ... unless president Obama let's them have nukes, or you liberal pukes make it impossible for any US president to act.
Our influence is directly tied to how much the arabs need us. And as you rightly point out ... they need us more than ever.



The Sunni's fear of Iran's growing power exceeds their confidence in us to protect them, and that explains their kowtowing to Ahmadenijad and his regime.

eye on the prise


Holding our elected officials accountable for their blundering in office now will help prevent the same kind of "mistakes" from being repeated by our future presidents and their staffs. And you can't get solutions any more beneficial than that.
>>>

Yeah, like our liberal congress hasn't turned over every rock in Washington to 'hold the administration responsible'.

Clue: You can't very well hold them responsible for the unproven allegations coming from liberals can you? How about the ones they don't even try and prove, but you know are true? Don't you need some kind of proof, or is chanting the same lies for years suddenly make them come true? Instead of making mindless statements about what should be done, why not ask Nancy 'impeachment is off the table' Pelosi to hold herself responsible?

Obama Debate
Charles I watched you tonight on Fox. You stated how brilliantly Obama handled the question of anti Semitism. I must disagree. My reason are below to another blogger.

lula may writes: Wednesday, February, 27, 2008 6:27 PM
To:No longer a Republican Smithington

Obviously you are not to informed. Maggie's comment about Obama's anti Semitic pastor was brought up in the debate last night by Tim Russert. I'm assuming you didn't bother to watch ? Just hang around blogs with ignorant uninformed opinions ?
Obama never answered the question as to whether he would disassociate with his Anti Semitic pastor.
Maggie is absolutely correct in saying anyone seeking the presidency should have to publicly denounce this disgusting man.
Anyone still supporting Obama is also Anti Semitic trash.

What is winning?
With the war in Iraq there are many different points of view. Charles Krauthammer in his article tells us of how the democrats are saying that we are losing when we are winning. However how can we be winning when we are continually protested against by the people that we sacrificed human soldiers for? With the public protests, car bombings, and harassment our soldiers receive at the hands of the people we liberated is something that can not be called winning. Sure we may have ridded the world of terrorists but why are we still fighting terrorism in a country where it is obvious we can never really win what we need, which is the support of the people. So how can we be winning a war when the people we fight to protect would rather see us dead?
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