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Friday, August 10, 2007
Charles Krauthammer :: Townhall.com Columnist
Exposing callousness in the army
by Charles Krauthammer
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WASHINGTON -- For a month, the veracity of The New Republic's Scott Thomas Beauchamp, the Army private who has been sending dispatches from the front in Iraq, has been in dispute. His latest "Baghdad Diarist" (July 13) recounted three incidents of American soldiers engaged in acts of unusual callousness. The stories were meant to shock. And they did.

In one, the driver of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle amused himself by running over dogs, crippling and killing them. In another, a fellow soldier wore on his head and under his helmet a part of a child's skull dug from a grave.

The most ghastly tale, however, was about the author himself mocking a woman that he said he saw "nearly every time I went to dinner in the chow hall at my base in Iraq." She was horribly disfigured, half her face melted by a roadside bomb. As she sat nearby, Beauchamp said loudly, "I love chicks that have been intimate -- with IEDs. It really turns me on -- melted skin, missing limbs, plastic noses." As his mess hall buddy doubled over in laughter, Beauchamp continued: "In fact, I was thinking of getting some girls together and doing a photo shoot. Maybe for a calendar? 'IED Babes.'" The woman fled.

After some commentators and soldiers raised questions about the plausibility of these tales, both the Army and The New Republic investigated. The Army issued a statement saying flatly that the stories were false. The New Republic claims that it had corroboration from unnamed soldiers. The Weekly Standard quoted an anonymous military source as saying that Beauchamp himself signed a statement recanting what he had written.

Amid these conflicting claims, one issue is not in dispute. When The New Republic did its initial investigation, it admitted that Beauchamp had erred on one "significant detail." The disfigured woman incident happened not in Iraq, but in Kuwait.

That means it all happened before Beauchamp arrived in Iraq. But the whole point of that story was to demonstrate how the war had turned an otherwise sensitive soul into a monster. Indeed, in the precious, highly self-conscious literary style of an aspiring writer trying out for a New Yorker gig, Beauchamp follows the terrible tale of his cruelty to the disfigured woman by asking, "Am I a monster?" And answering with satisfaction that the very fact that he could ask this question after (the reader has been led to believe) having been so hardened and brutalized by war, shows that there is a kernel of humanity left in him.

But oh, how much was lost. In the past, you see, he was a sensitive soul with "compassion for those with disabilities." In a particularly treacly passage, he tells us he once worked in a summer camp with disabled children and in college helped a colleague with cerebral palsy. Then this delicate compassionate youth is transformed into an unfeeling animal by war.

Except that it is now revealed that the mess hall incident happened before he even got to the war. On which point, the whole story -- and the whole morality tale it was meant to suggest -- collapses.

And it makes the rest of the narrative banal and uninteresting. It's the story of a disgusting human being, a mocker of the disfigured, who then goes to Iraq and, as such human beings are wont to do, finds the company of other such human beings who kill dogs for sport, wear the bones of dead children on their heads and find amusement in mocking the disfigured.

We will soon learn if there actually was a dog killer or a bone wearer. But The New Republic seems not to have understood how the Kuwait "detail" undermines everything. After all, what made the purported story interesting enough to publish? Why did The New Republic run it?

Because it fits perfectly into the most virulent narrative of the anti-war left. The Iraq War -- "George Bush's war," as even Hillary Clinton, along with countless others who had actually endorsed the war, now calls it -- has not only caused the sorrow and destruction that we read about every day. It has, most perniciously, caused invisible damage -- now made visible by the soul-searching of one brave and gifted private: It has perverted and corrupted the young soldiers who went to Iraq, and now return morally ruined. Young soldiers like Scott Thomas Beauchamp.

We already knew from all of America's armed conflicts -- including Iraq -- what war can make men do. The only thing we learn from Scott Thomas Beauchamp is what literary ambition can make men say.

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From the Middle East
I'm happy to comment briefly about Iraq. I speak only for myself and this is not meant to be a representation for everyone in the military. I'm around the center of the country. It appears that as we are covering and guarding more areas and mobilizing the "Neighborhood Watch" the number of IEDs is decreasing. As we start to treat these people more and more like the owners of this country they have been stepping up and assuming more responsibility. In my opinion the War will only be lost when we leave if genocide erupts. Personally I would be in favor of a long term minimal presence to deter Iran and to continue to train the Iraqis.

The real question is, "is it worth it". Christ said "Greater love hath no man than this that he give his life for his friend" (John 15:13) Any Iraqi should be the friend of any Soldier. If any Iraqi is not willing to be my friend then I'm willing to defend my friends (Soldiers and peaceful Iraqis) with my life if need be.

I back Gov. Romney 100%. None of my siblings are in the military does that mean that any of them are un-patriotic? None of Romney's kids dodged the draft like Clinton did so why should it be an issue? People are who they choose to be. I chose to be a soldier in a challenging occupational specialty. Beauchamp if he has mental issues it sounds like he has had them for a while and he should have seen a psychologist instead of making his mental disorder the Presidents fault.

and yet...
no one word about this:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070730/hedges

I guess these stories are all true. TH seems to give it a pass, since I havent read one thing about this article.

Nutroot Left
The idiot Nutroot Left has become a plaque on Townhall blog...they are not worth wasting discussion time with...

Callousness in the army
I drew combat pay for six months in Korea and missed by one day getting if for seven. (You needed six days in combat to get the pay and I had only five.) For four of those months I was never off the front line - and working, (15th Infantry, radio scout) I knew lots of combat men. No one I knew ever treated anyone badly unnecessarily. When we were not in action we were too tired, too thirsty, too hungry to bother anyone we didn't have to. Reading Pyle and other writers who were Up Front, gives the same story of the second world war. The "tough" guys who pushed around people were back in safe areas. We didn't need that kind up front, they were all cowards at heart. Bill D.

You give it a rest!
Warren Small writes: Friday, August, 10, 2007 3:51 AM
Oh please, give it a rest
Google News has very little about this Scott Thomas business except from TH and its gaggle of pro-war commentators.

Because the MSM is busy printing stories about korans being flushed down the toilet, women being raped, dogs being squashed, and other
non-existnet acts of barbarity. You couldn't show video of Daniel Pearl being beheaded or planes slamming into the WTC but some pics of so called atrocities at Abu Grabe you can't get enough of. No wonder you libs are pushing for the "Fairness Doctrine"! I know this may clash with your non-judgemental senses but we are the Good Guys. Are we perfect; not by a long shot but we are far better than the enemy. The troops who faught and won WWII weren't exactly choir boys but they faught for a system superior to what the NAZIs and Japanese Imperialist had to offer. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good enough.


Small, Konop, pagan: give it a rest

Small: I'm w/Roadkill here; you give it a rest. There are plenty of people that care about this issue and will not stand to see your ilk slander and fantasize about what you "know" is the truth. Fortunately for us, you can no longer get away with that BS.

Konop: talk about a one-trick pony. Is there a column that you haven't posted on about your obsession with Romney? Methinks you doth protest too much there, buddy.

pagan: are you fundamentally unable to stay on topic with the writers? If you'd like to discuss other issues, write your own damm column.

What a crop of maroons.

Konop, Pagan, and others
Certain men in the army have commited crimes in all the wars in the history of the country. Does this mean we condemn the whole branch? You do great dis-service to the honorable, duty first, God loving soldiers serving our country so you can voice your opine here. I suggest that before you safely go to bed tonight, you think about how you are able to do so. After you do, thank those same people you wish to insult.

LITERARY AGENT HOTLIST
This guy Beauchamp is already on the Literary Agent Hotlist doing a Jason Blair Goes to War redux and name change nom de plume may be required before any Viacom Cash Cow delivers the contract; but fear not for on the horizon is Harvey and Bob Weinstein ready to replicate the Michael Moore deal to any story fabricator gutsy enough to call his pure fatuous fiction as factual.

Warren is Small
Warren Small has nothing of value to contribute. He's a Buchanan wannabe or possibly a lefty troll. Warren, go get some education so you won't be such a crashing bore.

Military Man
Might I suggest that the only reason the mercenary oliticians' children are not dodging the draft is because it does not exist?

Now all they have to do is reject the huge bonuses, probably figuring, "Daddy already has $20 million, why should I risk my life for money? Heck I have Harvard or Yale and congress, if not the presidency, waiting for me"

Bring back the draft with NO exemptions other than health.

Hustler
There's only one problem I can see with that. Bringing people who don't want to serve into the service only risks more of the lives of the ones who do. This was greatly proven numerous times in Viet Nam in the 60s and 70s.

Warren
You state:
*Face it, whether he lied or not these grisly incidents are the small change of wars. Black humor helps soldiers endure it.*

Here is the link to the statement Beauchump signed, recanting his lies. The truth matters to anybody with a brain. Doesn't matter whether you agree with the war, Bush or anything. Integrity goes a long way. Apparently, you have none, because you are implying the lies don't matter as long as you get to say it's the Neo-con distraction of the week. Way to go,Small.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/08/beauchamp_recants.asp


Motive for slander
The New Republic has never supported the president, the military , or the war against terrorists. Having Scott Beauchamp(husband of a TNR staffer) reporting from Iraq fell right in line with all their past reporting. TNR's motive is clear:to slander all military personnel thereby delegitimizing their mission. Any thinking person recognizes the lie being told and the motivation behind it. It's cowardly to hide behind the good name of the United States Military just to advance a political agenda.

Sending "little boys" to war
"The most ghastly tale, however, was about the author himself mocking a woman that he said he saw "nearly every time I went to dinner in the chow hall at my base in Iraq."

"Amid these conflicting claims, one issue is not in dispute. When The New Republic did its initial investigation, it admitted that Beauchamp had erred on one "significant detail." The disfigured woman incident happened not in Iraq, but in Kuwait."

Pvt. Scott Thomas Beauchamp is NOT a man, and while he parades in an Army uniform, NOT a SOLDIER either. He is a pathetic little bully who cries at night because he is such a coward and wuss.

Actually, if he was not found out so soon to be a liar of the first order (perfect future DEM candidate for Congress or the Senate just watch), I would NOT be surprised that he COULD AND WOULD commit the atrocities that he wrote about. I'm sure some of his unit had told him more than once to "shut-down" and "you're sick man."

I have worked with some of our wounded from Iraq, and from Afghanistan. While some in the general public "stare" or recoil, I can tell you, in the commissary and exchange on Ft. Meade, soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, as well as their family members, and the population of retirees and their families say nothing but honorable words, and do nothing but assist, or silently pray when the assistance is refused and they do for themselves.

No, Scott Thomas Beauchamp is not deserving of the rank of "Private," nor to the term "soldier," and the sooner he is dismissed from the ranks, the better the United States Military in general, and our Army in particular will be.

thanks, nee
I agree w/vaquero; no point to arguing with the moonbats. Small minds find no problem with falsifying information or flat out fabrication to fit their agenda. When they flap "Nobody gives a damn about this stuff", this is libturd code words for the cheap, self-justification that it's ok to ignore the utterly flagrant ethical conflict. If the left ever took the time to examine the Mobius strip of socio-pathetic values they spout, their heads would explode. But, they're "social", and so fundamentally incapable of introspection.

Dan Rather is your hero, eh small?

I seriously
doubt the incident happened in Kuwait as well. This guy is a first class liar and like most of the left will say or do anything to win a war of words and not a war for their very existance.

So much for cheaters never prosper. But then again Congress ruined that concept long ago.

Apparently
Warren Small and his small brain like being lied and manipulated not to mention brainwashed. What is worse though is they have the utter audacity to consider themselves informed, and wonder why we question their judgement.

Warren Small
BTW you are a racist pig. You cannot refute Charles Krauthammer so you attack him personally. Just how low can you go?

James
Loved your post....I've never seen so many targets taken out with so few rounds.

You're either a professional writer or you skipped a lot of keg parties in college....

Warren Small
Warren:

Find comfort in the fact that there are men in America that are willing to step in and protect your family for you.

I find it so ironic that your last name is Small.
How fitting.

Have a nice day little guy.

Exposing callousness
The purpose of the New Republic articles (and the reason its editor has been so reluctant to insist on verifiability) is to eliminate the one thing that most distinguishes the Iraq War from the Vietnam War: support of our troops. By calling the morality, humanity, compassion of our troops into question, the left can Vietnamize the Iraq war and extricate itself from the "we-support-our-wonderful-troops-by-getting-them-out-of-this-awful-war" contortion; the left can see the day when they can forthrightly oppose the war and our troops, who they will then be able to characterize as the same kind of "beasts" they treated so shamefully when they returned from Vietnam. Purposefully losing a war is shameful, but not as shameful as conspiring to dishonor the troops who fought it.

Once again
I repeat, its not important if the stories are true. Its enough for the left that they want them to be true. They are an intellectual cesspool.

Dave
Thank you. As a military wife and military mom (not to mention friend of a lot of others serving our nation), I appreciate your words. My husband has had people in this country spit at his feet when he was in uniform. We've also had a lot of folks tell him Thanks For Serving...probably more of the latter. We must never forget that every man and woman that serves in our military is somebody's husband, son, wife, daughter, neice, nephew, friend, fiance...etc. Anyone who looks askance (or down their nose) at a person in uniform is simply ignorant. They deserve more than our Support. They deserve our Respect. I also appreciate prayers for them and our nation.

John Stuart Mill on War (ren Small)
The philosopher seemed to have Warren Small in mind in his famous quote "On war":

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

Mr. Small -- by attempting to minimize the lies in TNR -- exposes his own traitorous gluteous, eh?

Those of his ilk depend on those "better men" than themselves to spout their profanities.

Snooper
Thanks for the Stuart quotation. One of my favorites. I've been called a war monger because I support the war and the troops. It's a difficult concept to wrap your mind around sometimes. No thinking person believes war is a wonderful thing...The trouble is when you dismiss the ideology behind why we fight (freedom) as not worth the effort. It's old and some may think it trite, but it is true. Freedom isn't free.

Left-Wing Piety
In Hate War 101 at our ivy league universities the future media elite were steeped in the anti-war literature of World War 1 and the Civil War where conscripts with minimal training were plunged into mindless assaults that cost thousands of lives. The cliches that were generated then were used with good effect to undermine morale in Vietnam, which didnt really fit the paradigm but still had enough similarity to have some resonance. Now, in a low-intensity war fought by a small, highly-trained professional army the hand-wringing sniveling of the people who oppose any action taken by the US against any enemy, no matter how evil,has sunk to lying and misrepresentation on a large scale. This is what you get when the history, journalism and political science departments of major universities are taken over by self-righteous Marxist charletons.

We can win-If the press will let us
Warren your comments really fill me with contempt. You say we have lost the war, just like Sen. Reid, but you are both wrong. We win every battle we fight over there, just like in Vietnam, but the one enemy the military can not fight is our most lethal enemy, the liberal press. We can win this war if the liberal press and the mushy-minded folks that listen to them would really start supporting the troops. Let's win this thing and go home!

I was in Iraq and Kuwait. I don't believe anything this REMF says happened, including making fun of the woman in Kuwait. He is a discrace to the uniform and I hope other Soldiers are "expressing" their displeasure to him as well!

Democrat morality
is at work by those responders to this article who are on the left. They say the lies are nothing because they don't fit their particular political philosophy. Situational ethics. This is truly alarming because it speaks for a significant portion of our citizens and sends a lesson to the young that no ethics are fixed. Make up your own to fit the situation.

An article appeared today in the WSJ abjout husbands who are spending hours on the internet pursuing romances they deem as OK because they aren't acting on them, just fantasies of unfaithfulness. Situational ethics at work once again and probably some of you raised in such an atmosphere will respond you feel that it is OK. Wasn't it Jimmy Carter who said he had sinned in his heart? What if he had spent hours doing that in a two way exchange?

loco
Same morality that think Bill Clinton was justified in lying under oath etc., that Larry Flynt is a respected businessman, and Sandy Berger deserved no more than a slap on the wrist for destroying documents from the National Archive. I could go on, but what's the point? You said it all. It's all Relative and Situational ethics.

Liberal rules of engagement
If we were fighting right-wing Germans again, or any other Caucasian, industrialized, Christian nation, liberals would gladly support it. In fact, they would be our most gung-ho volunteers. They wouldn't have to worry about being called racists, capitalist oppressors, or Religious Right fanatics. To liberals, the left is always right, and the right is always wrong.

Liberal rules of engagement
If we were fighting right-wing Germans again, or any other Caucasian, industrialized, Christian nation, liberals would gladly support it. In fact, they would be our most gung-ho volunteers. They wouldn't have to worry about being called racists, capitalist oppressors, or Religious Right fanatics. To liberals, the left is always right, and the right is always wrong.

Jeff 82nd ABN
Thank you for your service to our country.

Do not be discouraged by the rantings of people like Harry Reid and "Warren". They are the losers. They were losers before we went to Iraq, they are losers now, and they will be losers after the troops (and diplomats) come home victorious from Iraq.

Did you know this REMF is married to one of the research staffers at "The New Republic"?

Snooper
Keep posting that quote by John Stuart Mill. It verbalizes the thoughts of many patriots very well.

We have met him in his millions
High school cafeterias are full of guys like Private Beauchamp -- mocking fat girls, tripping geeks with their arms full of books, jeering at substitute teachers, and in their extreme form dressing in Goth Wear and shooting his schoolmates. The guy is a wannabe John Kerry who didn't have sense enough to wait until he got out of the service to start making his slanderous statements.

I hope that some of his fellow soldiers will find an opportunity in the barracks to teach him the lesson he so richly deserves. I am sure they will remember to throw a blanket over his head first.

Covert THR agent outed
In a breaking news story last week it was reported that Scott Thomas Beauchamp, the controversial "Baghdad Diarrheaist" who has debunked the Bush Administration's claim that US soldiers have not been demeaning disfigured women, mocking dead Iraqis, or running down family pets for fun, is married to covert TNR operative Elspeth Reeve.

The report appeared in a recent article by well-respected conservative turncoat Bobby Nowhack. Nowhack did not cite his source, but the consensus among informed insiders is that it must be a senior administration official.

Democrats in the Senate are outraged. Charles Schumer, Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is demanding that a Special Prosecutor be appointed to investigate the details of what is apparently yet another White House conspiracy to discredit a whistleblower and take revenge on the whistleblower's wife.

A TNR spokeman confirms there is absolutely no truth to the rumor that Beauchamp was not really qualifed for the assignment of investigating military atrocities in Baghdad and was only chosen for the assignment because of his marriage to Reeve.

Reeve, a liberal TNR holdover from the Clinton era has not confirmed or denied her 'covert' status or whether her political attitudes had any effect on choosing Beauchamp for this assignemnt or on his reporting from Baghdad.

Former Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has applied for the upcoming SP assignment and assures us that the resignation of Richard Armitage from the State Department will in no way impede his ability to relentlessly subpoena administration officials until at least one of them says something under oath that can be construed as perjury.

Scooter Libby was unavailable for comment but did send a photograph of an extended middle finger.

Developing...

eddred
You don't claim to know much...it is evidenced by your post. Take your slanderous words about our military and ......fill in the blank.

wiseone
Cute. Very cute. Please don't fail to follow up with the "film at 11:00"...

ICEDOG
I usually bought the Keg for a party of two to be finished on or before the end of the ninth inning with or without pizza depending on the need to diet. WINNERS BELIEVE IN WINNING!

Mrs. Paddy
To your 1:05 post, I say " AMEN LADY!!!" God Bless.

eastlake joe
Thanks! God Bless you too.

Agreed
jmag writes: I repeat, its not important if the stories are true. Its enough for the left that they want them to be true. They are an intellectual cesspool.
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That would sound like a generalized slanderous statement, until you realize that Dan Rather said essentially the same thing. Truth and fact don't matter - it's what they believe that matters - even if it has no basis in reality. My six year old believes in Santa and the liberals believe they are a higher moral authority.

Townhall and Iraq
Coming to this website is one of the things that I do at the beginning and end of most of my days. It's great to get some feedback from like minded people. If I go to Cnn.com, or ABC, NBC, or any of the other "news" channels I just can't rap my mind around the lack of perspective.

Like watching "the news" on TV and seeing four year old video clips where people are still wearing the old body armor, or rolling around in "thin skin" Hummers. It's all just skewed in order to get people to think that we are unprepared and not evolving/ adapting to the situations that we face.

Vietnam All over again
The libs are using the same tried and true tricks that worked so well in vietnam.

First you trash the president, and blame him for everything.

If that doesn't do the trick, cry about all the "poor soldiers being killed for no reason"

If that doesn't work, find some useful idiot like beauchamp, and do all you can to paint our troops as 'Baby Killers'.

I expect to see reports any time, about soldiers and marines being spit on like they were in the 70s. We've already seen supposed "peace activists" burning our troops in effigy on US soil!

We've all seen it before, problem is most of america is too busy following Britney's latest exploits to bother thinking for themselves. This gives the Dem leaning MSM a free hand to tell the sheeple what they're supposed to think.


War
Those most likely to write & babble about war, have the least experience with the horrors of it.
Exaggerations need not be applied to make the points.
Those who oppose our actions can be the first to stand up & face off the enemy when they come for you at home, because they will!
The war was & is not wrong. How we have managed it is. We need leaders & we need folks to realize that if we fail to confront the enemy now, we will surely end up doing so later & at a greater cost of lives.
Soldiers in the military come from our society. If there are some who write idiotic stories like skull caps, running over dogs, etc., then we had all better realize they came from America to the war zone, not the other way around. The corruption of humanity of the American soldier is ours to deal with, at home. Our system made him what he is! His appetite for wealth and fame at the expense of truth & decency, was made for him as a product of a society that enables & even promotes such morally bankrupt thought!
I imagine the guys in his unit are real happy to serve with someone who vilifies them all with exaggerated glee!
Perhaps he will experience fragging first hand!

Nee
The 'truth' mattered to Warren and his ilk when the 'truth' seemed to be that our guys were killing dogs, and mocking dead civilians and disfigured women.

The 'truth' only became trivial to him when it turned out that the only soldier who did any of these things was Beauchamp himself. And of course, being a lib, it's not his fault. It's the fault of GWB for starting this war that volunteered to go help fight.

He actually wants us to believe he isn't the kind of sh*t who would mock a victim of an IED about her appearance - that the war made him do it.

Worse, what if he really isn't the kind who would do this except to make our troops look bad?

Call someone a 'f*g' or use the n-word and the entire American left will drop a hammer on you. But go to Kuwait/Iraq and ridicule an IED victim so you can rat out the soldiers who laugh when you do and you're their hero.

dyerje
I won't promise film (or anything else) at 11.

But I can assure you that I am watching this "develop".

Unlike mmost others, I find the parallels between Beauchamp and Wilson to be more intriguing than the parallels between Beauchamp and Kerry. And in that sense the pattern of these two episodes are virtually identical.

Politically active/concerned wife volunteers hubby to go on a 'mission' for the specific purpose of undermining the Iraq War effort.

Hubby, who is not qualified for the job, gets caught in a pack of lies.

Org where wife works circles the wagons around the happy couple.

Does it fit so far?

Let's see how it ends.

dyerje, Dave, & wiseone
Wise observations & correlations!

Beaucamp and Tillman
Mr. Beaucamp's writings and musings may be found to be totally inaccurate and cast the Army in a negative light. But it pales in comparison to what the Army did with the truth in regards to the death of Pat Tillman. Misleading reports by military officers, destroying the equipment that he was wearing, evasive answers to his family and the public. Why no outrage over this?

Kush
"Why no outrage over this?"

Because telling the truth wouldn't have brought Pat Tillman back.

Friendly fire happens in every war. It happens far more often than a soldier like Kerry or Beauchamp telling lies publicly to discredit his own comrades.

There is nothing traitorous about killing someone by accident with friendly fire. There is plenty traitorous about falsely accusing your buddies of atrocities.

Give me a soldier who lied to cover up the 'friendly fire' death of a comrade so he could tell the dead man's family he died a hero over a puke like Beauchamp any day.

wiseone
What you said. DITTOs

I also wonder how much not having a lawyer issued along with the combat boots affects how often things are "covered up?" --to avoid the New hounds and being taken to court (like the Haditha Marines...who I just heard had their charges DISMISSED!!!! HUA!)...Especially in the event of a well-known person like Tillman. It all makes it tough on the military to do their jobs without such scrutiny over and above internal accountability to their commanders etc.

Correction
That should be News hounds

False information
Perhaps the left will do another thing like they did with the falsified document regarding George Bush. That is claim the document is false but the information is accurate. I expect this 'soldier' to be hired by the DNC when he gets out.

Hustler
Have you considered the logistics required if the draft, as you have suggested, were implemented?

Based on the 2000 census and considering only the age group 18 - 21, there were over 12 million in this age group. Based on the approximate ratio of males to females there would be approximately 5.8 million males and if 85% of them were drafted that would mean about an additional 5 million males in the military. Who is going to train them? Where are they going to be trained? Where would you find the instructors to train them? And that is just the first group with proabably another million or so added each year.

Once all those questions are answered, where would they be assigned, what would they do, how would they be used?

Do the military services have a legimate need for that many additional people?

Clyde9

Krauthammer
Third column on this subject,it is too bad the fate that befell a REAL soldier, such as Pat Tillman,could not have found pvt.Beauchamp. I fully expect to be b!%(#slapped by the libs for that remark,sorry,that's the way I feel. And, after all,it's about feelings,eh?

Kudos to all
snooper, mrs. paddy, audir10, dave, elosogrande, af_retiree_2001, jeff 82nd abn, wiseone, eastlake joe, military man, jackpine savage and rubicon. And to Charles Krauthammer!

Reading your posts gives me such hope that there will be better days ahead for America!

Thanks to each of you and/or your loved ones who have served our country!

This private deserves to receive a dishonorable discharge and I hope it is done quickly. What a disgrace to our military. The sooner he is gone, the safer his fellow soldiers will be!!!


OK To Lie
Why don't you see if you can spin this: five minutes ago I read on Yahoo news that the Army gave very mild reprimands to the three high-ranking officers who lied about Pat Tillman's death, covered up the truth, and invented a scenario for release to the public. They were told not to consider the reprimands very serious as no reprimand would be placed in their personnel records "in any record system maintained by the Army".

Men in war sometimes do bad things. Sometimes they lie, sometimes they cover up, and sometimes they shoot civilians---or civilians' cows. Tim O'Brien, in "The Things They Carried", a documentation of his experience in Vietnam, describes a soldier, angry because his buddy has been killed, who avenges himself on a farmer's cow, shooting its body parts off one by one. But here at home we want war to be pretty, and when somebody says it's not, we either accuse him of sedition or make a case that he's lying. And we definitely smear him if he runs for President.

At this point we don't know what happened with Beauchamp. What we do know, for sure, is that the Pentagon lies---and condones lying.

To Kush
Go to Yahoo news---Friday evening they have put up a piece about the officers who did the Tillman coverup getting no real reprimand.

News from lilly..
for those of you born this morning. She forgot to mention that senior officers owe their carreres to politics. That congress appoints officers to their grade. That anyone who delivers bad news is doomed, unless that bad news becomes vouge.

She also forgot to mention that while the people who love this country are making mistakes and doing what they know is right, that leftist who hate this country make it appear that everyone in the military is "EVIL".

She knows in her heart that anyone given the opportunity to lie will. That there is no such thing as speaking out of turn or on bad info. She reads the dark hearts of th war lovers ruining this peaceful earth.

so lilly
you believe beuacamp? Do you support the troops?

If the ''Liberals'' are so damn smart...
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...howcumizzit they invariably fall for fabulist crap like this impossible-to-believe "Baghdad Diarist" stuff?

I thought the DemaGOP clowns were supposed to be the "Evil Party" while the *Republicrats* were the "Stupid" ones.

Evil *AND* Stupid?

Darn.

How "bipartisan" of them.
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Scott Thomas Beauchamp
I see very little difference between Scott Thomas Beauchamp today and John Kerry whos' sworn statements besmirched the character of an entire generation of soldiers. This was done for blind political ambition, power. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what many people EXPECT to hear and serve it to them on a platter. No, you don't need to be a genius, just posess a dead soul.
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