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Friday, July 13, 2007
Charles Krauthammer :: Townhall.com Columnist
Growing With Time
by Charles Krauthammer
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"The key to turning (Anbar) around was the shift in allegiance by tribal sheiks. But the sheiks turned only after a prolonged offensive by American and Iraqi forces, starting in November, that put al-Qaeda groups on the run." -- The New York Times, July 8

WASHINGTON -- Finally, after four terribly long years, we know what works. Or what can work. A year ago, a confidential Marine intelligence report declared Anbar province (which comprises about a third of Iraq's territory) lost to al-Qaeda. Now, in what the Times' John Burns calls an "astonishing success," the tribal sheiks have joined our side and committed large numbers of fighters that, in concert with American and Iraqi forces, have largely driven out al-Qaeda and turned its former stronghold of Ramadi into one of most secure cities in Iraq.

It began with a U.S.-led offensive that killed or wounded more than 200 enemy fighters and captured 600. Most important was the follow-up. Not a retreat back to American bases, but the setting up of small posts within the population that, together with the Iraqi national and tribal forces, have brought relative stability to Anbar.

The same has started happening in many of the Sunni areas around Baghdad, including Diyala province -- just a year ago considered as lost as Anbar -- where, for example, the Sunni insurgent 1920 Revolution Brigades have turned against al-Qaeda and joined the fight on the side of U.S. and Iraqi government forces.

We don't yet know if this strategy will work in mixed Sunni-Shiite neighborhoods. Nor can we be certain that this cooperation between essentially Sunni tribal forces and an essentially Shiite central government can endure. But what cannot be said -- although it is now heard daily in Washington -- is that the surge, which is shorthand for Gen. David Petraeus' new counterinsurgency strategy, has failed. The tragedy is that, just as a working strategy has been found, some Republicans in the Senate have lost heart and want to pull the plug.

It is understandable that Sens. Lugar, Voinovich, Domenici, Snowe and Warner may no longer trust President Bush's judgment when he tells them to wait until Petraeus reports in September. What is not understandable is the vote of no confidence they are passing on Petraeus. These are the same senators who sent him back to Iraq by an 81-0 vote to institute his new counterinsurgency strategy.

A month ago, Petraeus was asked whether we could still win in Iraq. The general, who had recently attended two memorial services for soldiers lost under his command, replied that if he thought he could not succeed he would not be risking the life of a single soldier.

Just this week, Petraeus said that the one thing he needs more than anything else is time. To cut off Petraeus' plan just as it is beginning -- the last surge troops arrived only last month -- on the assumption that we cannot succeed is to declare Petraeus either deluded or dishonorable. Deluded in that, as the best-positioned American in Baghdad, he still believes we can succeed. Or dishonorable in pretending to believe in victory and sending soldiers to die in what he really knows is an already failed strategy.

That's the logic of the wobbly Republicans' position. But rather than lay it on Petraeus, they prefer to lay it on Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and point out his government's inability to meet the required political "benchmarks." As a longtime critic of the Maliki government, I agree that it has proved itself incapable of passing laws important for long-term national reconciliation.

But first comes the short term. And right now we have the chance to continue to isolate al-Qaeda and, province by province, deny it the Sunni sea in which it swims. A year ago, it appeared that the only way to win back the Sunnis and neutralize the extremists was with great national compacts about oil and power sharing. But Anbar has unexpectedly shown that even without these constitutional settlements, the insurgency can be neutralized and al-Qaeda defeated at the local and provincial level with a new and robust counterinsurgency strategy.

The costs are heartbreakingly high -- increased American casualties as the enemy is engaged and spectacular suicide bombings designed to terrify Iraqis and demoralize Americans. But the stakes are extremely high as well.

In the long run, agreements on oil, federalism and de-Baathification are crucial for stabilizing Iraq. But their absence at this moment is not a reason to give up in despair, now that we finally have a counterinsurgency strategy in place that is showing success against the one enemy that both critics and supporters of the war maintain must be fought everywhere and at all cost -- al-Qaeda.

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A victory in Iraq
...would mean a loss for the Democrats. They're already on the losing side of the immigraion issue, so they are beginning to panick.

A vote for a Democrat is a vote for instant and unending amnesty. 100 million new mouths to feed. Energy crisis, anyone? Pass it on.

By the way
If we leave Iraq, twenty years hence, Iran will control most of the oil in the Middle East. By the time we wean ourselves off of oil, they will, through their proxies, own half of our highways. We won't even realize that our tolls are going to them. And it won't do any good to have electric cars.

The Iraq war is about oil. But we can't admit it because of the control and labeling of information by the mainstream media. Without unrestricted access to oil, America could suffer a financial and social catastrophe that would make the Great Depression look like a Dixie Chicks concert.

Don't worry
Don't worry about whether or not we get any oil from the Middle East,,,
Al Gore told me the other day that he would meet our needs with some energy credits.

....news from the frontline...
Right this minute, I'm sittin' smack dab between Ramadi and Faluja. Outside it's clear, 118*F and quiet. Been quiet for months. These folks will back a winner. Too bad the fat,dumb and happy crowd at home don't care. Have another drink ! Enjoy the warm-fuzzy world of Left-Wing America. Don't trouble youself with hard decisions. Can't we all just "Move On?"

Petraeus yes, Bush no
Petraeus isn't the issue. Bush is still the Commander-in-Chief, and he is no longer trusted by the American people. I believe that is the entire root cause of the problem. Americans don't like to lose wars; but they're sure Bush is the wrong guy to lead THIS war.

General Casey was fired, replaced by Petraeus.

SecDef Rumsfeld was fired, replaced by Gates.

Yet Bush goes on and on.

What I had suggested last year was that a bipartisan Congressional delegation should have gone to the White House and proposed this: The surge will be fully funded, and Petraeus will get whatever he needs (including more time). BUT in exchange, Bush and Cheney should resign from office and let someone else be acting president till January 2009, someone who might still retain some support from the people. Maybe Condi Rice.

Here's how it would work, similar to how Ford replaced Nixon:

1. Cheney resigns for "health reasons."

2. Bush appoints Condi Rice (or whoever) to replace him as VP.

3. Then Bush resigns.

4. Which makes that new VP the acting President.

Democrat Party Terror
Charle's article is what the, apologist for terror Democrat Party, do not want anyone to know.

It would be devastating to the Democrats if we started to win this battle big time.

Reid, Pelosi and Murtha should be impeached. They are a political disgrace to America outside of being the criminals they really are.

All three should be indicted for their ties to criminals.

Nick in Austin
"democracies" have never been efficient at warfare. our founders knew this because they had lived the B.S. and denials of necessary support to our troops and Washington during our fight for independence by the Continental Congress, and its grand debates, over a period of time far greater than that the current struggling new "democracy" of Iraq has been allowed to expend, ergo, the Founders establishment of an EXECUTIVE with WAR POWERS. it has never been thought until now that Congress could manage a WAR.
a great arguement of the left is that of failure in all respects, but one thing they should be reminded of when critizing the enshrining of Islamic laws witin the framework of this fledgling "democracy" is that eventhough the words of equality heralded our revolution, our revolution left the slavery of others legal and women, heck non-landowners, as unenfranchised "citizens." revolutions never birth prefect prodigies.
every time i hear the mantra of how it was wrong for Bush to go into Iraq (let's leave off of the lame excuses about being FOOLED and a TRICKED by the dope), i want to puke. Bush went into Iraq was able to attacl and depose Saddam because the US public, and their Congressional representation, was overwhelmingly behind this action, period. what needs to be learned...what should have been learned after the Korean and Vietnam conflicts for sure...is that you don't go into a fight to loose, but to win...at any cost...however long it takes. life is not a video game you can restart from "save" or pause or begin again anew because you are displeased with your play.

Whose side are they on?
It seems like the increasing shrillness of the cries for a pull-out from Iraq coincides with increasing indications that General Petraeus's strategy is working.

This condition speaks for itself.

The sheer hypocrisy of blathering about "supporting the troops" while undermining their chances of prevailing is absolutely outrageous. Bush, for all his mistakes, is right about the imperative of fighting this war. Our enemies make no bones about the importance of defeating us in Iraq, and we ignore this fact to our peril.

I will vote for John Warner again about the same time that Hades freezes over.

Careful there...
...Dr. K. Speaking the unvarnished truth like that will upset the delicate sensibilities of the barking moonbats, as we are already seeing here.

(as for Blue-Z-Anna, thank you for your service, and let's be careful out there just the same...:)

But as long as we are talking about truths unpalatable to the moonbats, here's a few more.

Bush said from the very start that this conflict would be neither easy nor quick. I don't know where most of the people who are whining about this were four years ago, or since then for that matter. Too busy watching "American Idol" and following the exploits of Paris Hilton to pay any attention, I suppose.

Bush never said Saddam had operational WMDs before we went in. But he also said he was not willing to sit around and wait until Saddam did have them. And lo and behold, even the UN admitted that, left to his own devices Saddam was in a position to have operational chemical and biological weapons in a matter of months.

Nor did Bush ever say that Saddam was involved in 9/11. International terrorism, yes, which he was (training camps, financial support, etc.) He probably knew it was coming, too, as there is still that meeting between Mohammed Atta and the head of Iraqi Intelligence that the Czechs reported. But while the al-Q killers surely got a hearty "attaboy" from Saddam for their plans, no, he was not involved it.

And half of the so-called "insurgents" we are fighting in Iraq are NOT al-Q. They are Communists. Oh, the LSM will only refer to them as "secularists" or "former Ba'athists", because they can't have the sheeple knowing the truth of who we are going against over there.

And that is the real crux of why the Lefties have had their collective knickers in such a wad these past few years. They didn't really care if we gave a JDAM high hard one to the Taliban. After all, as unspeakably barbaric as they Taliban were, they were not Communist fellow travelers.

Not so Saddam. He WAS a Communist (let's call a spade a spade; he was not just a Communist, but a Stalinist wannabe of the worst sort) fellow traveler of theirs, and as we all know, because Michael Moore said so, they are all about flying kites, planting pretty little flowers and building baby milk factories, and would NEVER hurt a hair on anyone's little head.

Now, were mistakes made in the prosecution of this war? Oh yes. There is only one thing that Muslims and Commies (and oh yes, they can indeed be one and the same) understand, and that's the mailed fist. We should have gone in there with ten-league boots and smashed every building, every mosque, every rathole we could find, and shot every mother's son who so much as looked cross-eyed in our direction, and then left. Only before leaving, plant huge signs in Arabic on the rubble of every mosque in the place that read:

ATTENTION MUSLIM PIG-HUMPERS!
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MESS WITH UNCLE SAM. DO IT AGAIN AND WE WILL BE BACK, ONLY WE WON'T BE NEARLY AS NICE ABOUT IT NEXT TIME.

And oh yes, make sure that these signs are broadcast to the entire Muslim world, by no means just Iraq.

Unfortunately, I wasn't asked. However, thanks to the Dimocrats/LSM/Leftist moonbats in this country who have been urging al-Q and the Commies over there on, we will most likely get hit again, only next time the attack(s) will be far worse than 9/11. At which time our response will most likely be far worse than the gentle love pats I suggest above.

the way it is.
I don't always agree with Krauthammer(he is, or was, a neocon)but on those few times I tune into Brit Hume's "All Stars" at 6:00 p.m. eastern, Krauthammer at least presents logical arguments(in contrast to predictable administration shilling by Fred Barnes). I used to be a faithful viewer of this Fox News program, but the shameless shilling on behalf of the administration became irritating.

Krauthammer is the ONLY reason I tolerate the All Stars. If he is not on the panel, I tune to another channel. Krauthammer is a neocon who got mugged by reality. I don't know to what extent this ultimately may affect his mindset, but he does not suffer from this neocon malady to the same extent as does Barnes. So there is some hope for Krauthammer: A neocon who has experienced at least a few glimpses of reality and clarity.

While it is true we have had some success in getting the Sunnis in Anbar to fight Al Qaida, one must remember that these Sunnis were among the original insurgents who attacked our forces when the war began. It is naive to believe they suddenly subscribe to the breathtakingly utopian and muddled vision of G.W. Bush to foster democracy in Iraq. They merely are reaching a short-term accommodation with us to expel a foreign influence.

It must also be recognized that the Shia-dominatated Maliki government(Bush's great partner)despises our arrangement with Sunni insurgents in Anbar, fearing that our providing them with weapons will result in these Sunni insurgents eventually using such weapons against Iraqi shias.

I still think the only solution to this disaster is to involve ALL of Iraq's neighbors...Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Turkey. I would even include Egypt, even tho it does not border Iraq.

Tell us what you really think Cave Bear!
I think a huge number of Americans are dissatisfied with Bush on Iraq not because he went in but rather, that he didn't go in 1.) soon enough, and 2.) with the intention of overwhelming them with unassailable military might.

The fact that our troops have untenable RoE to deal with (no going after weapons caches in mosques, getting permission to engage in a firefight from HQ, required to have lawyers with the soldiers on the ground, etc. etc. etc) is an indication that we are fighting the war like Liberal weenies. But this makes sense. Bush has always wanted to get along with the Dems and the Left (but seems too dense to get the point that they don't want to get along with him) so he prosecutes this war with kid gloves so as not to offend them.

But like the Libby commutation, he does a half way measure and offends everyone in the process.

The surge is working and would work even better if we bombed every mosque we know is harboring terrorists, blew up all convoys from Syria and Iran, and made it plain that we don't care about what the French think of us, we are going after the enemy wherever they are.

Americans like victory and they know the Dems in Congress love to have American lose (hence their current 14% popularity rating). A majority of Americans don't want to pull out of Iraq, rather, we want Iran, AQ, the fascists, and the communists to pull out of Iraq.

Charlie + Cave Bear
You're preaching to the choir. Not that Bush hasn't made a boatload of mistakes. I was a supporter of his until Shamnesty came along. As for the mistakes - when you have them all holed up in caves, you cut off their retreat path and start, at random, sealing the caves permanently. They'll come out with their hands up within two days. Bin Laden would be well-hung, so to speak.

Cave Bear, 100,000 Kurds were gassed - nerve gas. Read my lips - Saddam had WMD.

Finally, an invasion of Iran from the sea or from Russia would have been unlikely and/or very dangerous to Americans. The only way Iran would feel any heat is if we were in Iraq, sitting on the border. And they are feeling some heat, and it's about to get hotter - maybe 1 million degrees hotter. Anyone not wearing a burkah, better break out the SPF 10,000 (sorry Terminator).

The real surge
...that is needed is a surge of unity in Congress supporting the effort. Stop encouraging the terrorists with politically-driven symbolic votes. Will the Democrats decide, even for a few months, to be Americans first and put election politics aside? I doubt it.

If they were to speak in a united voice against the insurgency and support the effort to create a stable and democratic Iraq, the situation would turn around quickly. As it is, every time Reid and Polosi open their mouths, the insurgents are thinking "we're getting there."


Beeblebrox
Couldn't agree more.

You'd think that the Congress would get a clue. The Dem majority happened not as a mandate to get out of Iraq, but because the Repubs broke their conservative promises and started spending like drunken sailors.

I am sick and tired of the Polititians trying to micro-manage the war. Gee, I wish they'd let our military LOOSE... (not LOSE!)

impact writes:
Friday, July, 13, 2007 9:42 AM
The real surge
...that is needed is a surge of unity in Congress supporting the effort. Stop encouraging the terrorists with politically-driven symbolic votes. Will the Democrats decide, even for a few months, to be Americans first and put election politics aside? I doubt it.

If they were to speak in a united voice against the insurgency and support the effort to create a stable and democratic Iraq, the situation would turn around quickly. As it is, every time Reid and Polosi open their mouths, the insurgents are thinking "we're getting there."
==================
Thinking back to the Space Race inspired by JFK: He challenged America to put a man on the moon and gave a time line, and we did it. I believe we (the US) can do ANYTHING if only we all pull for the same team. Do I expect it from the idiots in Washington? Not on your best day. I'm disgusted by the entire bunch of them because they are putting their own puny interests ahead of our Nation and its security.

Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Why is the U.S. so good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory? Not since WWII have we been united to the point of winning together! Was it Pearl Harbor that made the difference?

Why did the police action in Korea reach the point where we were ready to win and then settled for a stale mate that is now 53 years old and we are still unable to contain a communist tyrant?

Why did we win the Tet Offensive but let the media report it as an evidence of communist victory that made us retreat into endless negotiation and failure called a Paris accord that let millions die?

Why do we struggle to contain Al Quaida and lose the lives of as many as we lost in many days of WWII, but call it a price too high? Do we have to see 9-11s repeated on a larger scale and then choose to let Muslim law rule us because we don't even know which place or way to fight back?

Do liberal democrats read our history differntly? Can we see real peace coming via surrender? Or do they just want to be elected?

Cave Bear
I see you are cut from the same cloth as Charles. Careful there, your going to confuse the moonbats with facts. They can't handle it. It aggravates their Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Keepontryin
Yes they read history differently, if they read it at all. the key words in your post were "not since WWII" that is because FDR knew better than to let the media run amuck.

Democrats are vested in defeat!
Should the outcome be any different, they would be relegated to political obscurity for many, many years.

If I am wrong, then explain why Reid & company would declare the surge is not working, long before the troops are even on the ground.

Hell he even declared the war was lost months before the surge even began.

Krauthammer says it all:

"It is understandable that Sens. Lugar, Voinovich, Domenici, Snowe and Warner may no longer trust President Bush's judgment when he tells them to wait until Petraeus reports in September. What is not understandable is the vote of no confidence they are passing on Petraeus. These are the same senators who sent him back to Iraq by an 81-0 vote to institute his new counterinsurgency strategy".

But they didn't want to allow him the time to institute his plan because it might just succeed. Their actions reveal what dishonest frauds they really are!

Don C


LOLO & Many Others
WELL DONE! Nothing I can add!

Democrats can only win by losing
We can pretty much see that a successful resolution to the Iraqi conflict is a Democrat's worst nightmare. In order to drum up support from the McGovernite wing of the party, the key Democrats have jumped in with both feet -- Pelosi and Reid are only part of it; Hillary, Obama, Edwards, etc., every single key Democratic Party figure have been pushing the idea that success in Iraq is impossible. There's no turning back now -- you could hardly say, in September, 2008, that Bush lied and tricked you into opposing the war. Rarely has an American political party had so much stake in an unsuccessful outcome. The Democratic Party has been wearing the "anti-military, weak-on-defense" label since the McGovern campaign almost forty years ago. Of course, their answer is not to show some . . . fortitude . . . and try and overcome their label, but to burrow even deeper into McGovernite ideology. ('Cause, after all, it's the ideology that counts -- as long as you can get up in the morning and feel good about yourself.)

Krauthammer Didn't Spell It Out
Dr. Krauthammer opens with the quote from John Burns of the NTY, but he could have mentioned that Burns has not exactly reported the coalition efforts as brilliant or otherwise successful up to the present. Hence the use of the words "astonishing success." I think Burns and the rest of his media cohorts have been casting our efforts over there in the least favorable light, which has in turn fueled or abetted the MSM's constant droning of this being a lost cause.

I doubt anyone who watched how things unfolded in Afghanistan doubts that the loyalty of tribal chief is a direct indicator of who's winning at the moment. (Reminds me of the family cocker spaniel who always joins the winning side of a wrestling match.) So, I see this as an indicator that the surge, even before being up to full strength, is proving successful. The Sunnis have thrown in with us because we're winning, not the other way 'round (i.e. we're winning because the Sunnis have suddenly decided they don't like Al Qaida any more) methinks.

And because the Dems are invested in a military failure so that they can claim Bush and republicans took us on a fool's errand for political advantage, they are panicking at the prospect that the surge might actually work.

I am not a big Bush fan; however, to his credit I do believe he will stick to his guns and see this thing through. Congress can posture all it wants, but he has proven incredibly committed to his positions. And since he's not up for reelection, there's not much congress, short of defunding the effort, can do.

I think the recent backlash by the electorate against the Senate's apparent intent to fast track the immigration bill is indicative of how much power we have if we choose to use it. I encourage everyone who supports the surge and the WOT to be as vocal about it to his/her elected representatives as he/she was about the immigration bill.

So, I will get on the email again and encourage my spineless legislators to support the surge and the war on Islamofacism in general, and again make my thoughts known. I will also email the White House in support of staying the course.

The focus here is too small.
Cave bear. I hope you have not purchased anything from the Iran supporting, communist Chinese lately. We are so selfish we support the communists in China for cheap stuff to fill our over-mortgaged houses while China sends our dollars to Iran to buy oil. Those dollars go to support Syria, Hezbollah, and Iran's nuclear program. This is a big picture problem and not some street fight in Anbar.

Beeblebrox - Your right, we have a winnie democrat and I would add, an incompetent wennie repulican leadership. Even if the surge works we have given Iraq to Iran supporting leaders. Things calm down a bit and it increases Iran's hold on the Iraq and the oil because we will have "won?" and Bush says we will start a withdrawal. Things don't calm down and the US continues to hemorrhage blood, money and reputation so Iran wins that way too.

We gave away the prize and it really makes little difference if the surge works or not. This is a botched political nightmare We are loosing on every front including Iran, Syria, Israel, Saudi Arabia, China, Russia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and most of Europe.

We must stop being so short sighted by viewing things through our meager military efforts in little towns in the dessert and get back to paying attention to our decline as a world power.

Get focused on taking care of things at home, regaining respect, confidence and leadership and we will win through strength worldwide even against the terrorists.

My biggest fear right now is the administration will launch a wennie, have baked, attack on Iran next to try to redeem themselves.

Galltegfa
I agree 100% with what you write, in quotes below.

I have already begun emailing Senators; and I don't limit my emails to MY reps only!


"And because the Dems are invested in a military failure so that they can claim Bush and republicans took us on a fool's errand for political advantage, they are panicking at the prospect that the surge might actually work.

I am not a big Bush fan; however, to his credit I do believe he will stick to his guns and see this thing through. Congress can posture all it wants, but he has proven incredibly committed to his positions. And since he's not up for reelection, there's not much congress, short of defunding the effort, can do.

I think the recent backlash by the electorate against the Senate's apparent intent to fast track the immigration bill is indicative of how much power we have if we choose to use it. I encourage everyone who supports the surge and the WOT to be as vocal about it to his/her elected representatives as he/she was about the immigration bill.

So, I will get on the email again and encourage my spineless legislators to support the surge and the war on Islamofacism in general, and again make my thoughts known. I will also email the White House in support of staying the course."

I will add: Retreat is cowardly and self-defeating -- such ignomity would forever hold our nation up to ridicule by friend and foe alike.

I can see it now, on the MSM news, week after week, month after month, of grizzly coverage of the blood-letting in Iraq after America's premature withdrawal. Then alarming news of al-Qaeda's caliphate taking shape in Iraq, the further destabilization of the region, and on and on.

The MSM will pin it on Bush for getting us into Iraq and then blame him for the cut-and-run, omitting entirely the role the weasel dems/libs played in strong-arming the withdrawal. Nor would the MSM ever own up to the role they've played in spinning the coverage of the entire campaign so it reflects badly on our legitimate offensive in Iraq.

What the dems fail to understand is that THIS IS WAR, damnit -- you fight to win -- no other outcome is acceptable.


Eddred
So you agree that things are apparently getting better. Anbar (once lost forever) is completely under control, and we owe it all to the democrats. Right. So why do they want to pull out? Why don't they want to see it through?

Because they never wanted victory, and in fact, it is the worst thing that could happen for them. They have been railing against the way since the day it started, making our decisions more difficult, bouying the enemy and thereby killing more American soldiers. We really do owe them a debt of gratitude. Thanks.

The Dems will be happy to give all the oil to Iran. After all, we can click our fingers and all 200 million of us will be off of oil. I'm sure to cover their social spending they'll be happy to sell our ports and highways to private interests, which will someday be owned by the Arab shiekdoms. Your insight, and that of Harry Reid and Ted "Genioso" kennedy, is inspiring.

By the way
Bush told the Generals that they had whatever they needed. It was the Dems screaming from the rear that kept Iran and the insurgency in the game and kept us from mopping up this mess once and for all.

Eddred
Wow...the expertise on the topic of counterinsurgency warfare revealed by your post is truly impressive. Malaya, Vietnam, Rhodesia, El Salvador...clearly you've made a careful study of all of the major COIN campaigns of the 20th Century.

Now, I'm sure this is just an oversight on your part, but you skipped over the stage in a successful COIN campaign where key members of the society in turmoil reaching a "tipping point" beyond which they can no longer tolerate the chaos caused by the insurgency, and when they come to see their own interests lying with the government and not with the insurgents.

Naturally, with your deep knowledge of the subject, you understand that this comes about partly because of a change in the behavior of the government and partly because of a change in the perceptions of said key members of society.

So your penetrating analysis may wind up giving the Democrat Party here in the U.S. a little more credit than it deserves.


Criticism of the war in Iraq
is not the problem, Bush and his incompetent handling is. The admin had a free hand in Iraq for 4 years, and for 4 years we've been hearing that progress is being made and those who say otherwise are undermining the war effort. Well duh...it is the lack of a stable unity gov't that is currently undermining the war effort, and nothing we can do is going to change that.

It's politics, stupid
Liberals and Democrats have never gotten over the impeachment of Bill Clinton and the 2000 election. From the start, right or wrong, good or bad, the liberal media, Michael Moore, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Kerry, and all the rest have said "Bush is a liar" over and over and over in the hope that this lie will gain traction and people will believe it. That's why you see stories about how he supposedly "lied" in misleading the country into Iraq, despite intelligence from at least 4 allies that Al Qaeda was using the country as a training and recruiting base. Perhaps the intelligence was wrong. That does not mean Bush lied. As Joseph Goebbels once said, "if you tell a lie, tell a big one, and repeat it over and over, and soon the people will believe it." That's the Democrat strategy. Say Bush is a liar and soon it will be believed. Unfortunately the American people have seen through that strategy and returned Bush to office in 2004. The only ones believing the Democrat lies are the naive teen-to-twenty-somethings who can't name the Vice President or their state's senators on Hannity's Man On The Street segment.
This same strategy is being applied to Iraq. Say it's lost, say we're beaten, say we can never succeed, say there's no reason to be there. Say it again and again. and soon the people will start to believe it. At least 5 Republican Senators will.
No, the war is not popular. I don't like it any more than the Democrat critics do. The difference is that while I see the war as a painful but necessary step in battling terrorism and Islamic radicalism, Democrats see it as an issue to be used for political gain and advantage. If we pull out and extremist radical terrorists take over the country, the American lives that have been lost will have been in vain. I don't accept that as an outcome and believe we can and must continue our fight to stabilize Iraq and help the Iraqi people.
When you talk to the troops returning from Iraq, as I frequently have the opportunity to do in my travels around the country, you hear their optimism and their belief that 1) it is meaningful, 2) progress is being made and 3) the Iraqi people with whom they have contact are grateful that we are there. It's a tribute to the wall of denial put up by the media and the Democrats that we never hear about this.
I have become disappointed in Bush, especially his support for immigration amnesty on behalf of big business. But I will not abandon him when it comes to Iraq. And while he may be wrong on things like immigration, he does not have to prove to me that he has been unfairly maligned by Democrats wistfully pining for 8 years of a Gore presidency that never was.

Storo
I couldn't have said it any better. Excellent post.

SteveL, on another thread, clearly laid out the democrats demands, give us Bush or we will deliberately lose the war. What a swell group of patriots, huh? Actually, they want both but would probably settle for Bush's head in a guillotine. They stand to lose political power for a long time when Iraq becomes relatively stable.

I believe the dems agenda is more insidious than simply getting more political power. They are controlled by a radical left base that truly wants America to lose everything and give radical Islam a chance to grow more powerful. It truly saddens one to realize the ignorant masses might be swayed to surrender on the brink of victory due to the koolaid drinking behavior of the leftists in this country who hate GWB so much they would sacrifice the country to feel like they got him.
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