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Friday, September 22, 2006
Charles Krauthammer :: Townhall.com Columnist
The irony of the offense
by Charles Krauthammer
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WASHINGTON -- Religious fanatics, regardless of what name they give their jealous god, invariably have one thing in common: no sense of humor. Particularly about themselves. It's hard to imagine Torquemada taking a joke well.

Today's Islamists seem to have not even a sense of irony. They fail to see the richness of the following sequence. The pope makes a reference to a 14th-century Byzantine emperor's remark about Islam imposing itself by the sword, and to protest this linking of Islam and violence:

-- In the West Bank and Gaza, Muslims attack seven churches.

-- In London, the ever-dependable radical Anjem Choudary tells a demonstration at Westminster Cathedral that the pope is now condemned to death.

-- In Mogadishu, Somali religious leader Abubukar Hassan Malin calls on Muslims to ``hunt down'' the pope. The pope not being quite at hand, they do the next best thing: shoot dead, execution-style, an Italian nun working in a children's hospital.

``How dare you say Islam is a violent religion? I'll kill you for it'' is not exactly the best way to go about refuting the charge. But of course, refuting is not the point here. The point is intimidation.

First, Salman Rushdie. Then the false Newsweek report about Koran-flushing at Guantanamo. Then the Danish cartoons. And now, a line from a scholarly disquisition on rationalism and faith given in German at a German university by the pope.

And the intimidation succeeds: politicians bowing and scraping to the mob over the cartoons; Saturday's craven New York Times editorial telling the pope to apologize; the plague of self-censorship about anything remotely controversial about Islam -- this in a culture in which a half-naked pop star blithely stages a mock crucifixion as the highlight of her latest concert tour.

In today's world, religious sensitivity is a one-way street. The rules of the road are enforced by Islamic mobs and abjectly followed by Western media, politicians and religious leaders.

The fact is that all three monotheistic religions have in their long histories wielded the sword. The Book of Joshua is knee-deep in blood. The real Hanukkah story, so absurdly twinned (by calendric accident) with the Christian festival of peace, is about a savage insurgency and civil war.

Christianity more than matched that lurid history with the Crusades, an ecumenical bloodbath that began with the slaughter of Jews in the Rhineland, a kind of a preseason warm-up to the featured massacres to come against the Muslims, with the sacking of the capital of Byzantium (the Fourth Crusade) thrown in for good measure.

And Islam, of course, spread with great speed from Arabia across the Mediterranean and into Europe. It was not all benign persuasion. After all, what were Islamic armies doing at Poitiers in 732 and the gates of Vienna in 1683? Tourism?

However, the inconvenient truth is that after centuries of religious wars, Christendom long ago gave it up. It is a simple and undeniable fact that the violent purveyors of monotheistic religion today are self-proclaimed warriors for Islam who shout ``God is Great'' as they slit the throats of infidels -- such as those of the flight crews on 9/11 -- and are then celebrated as heroes and martyrs.

Just one month ago, two journalists were kidnapped in Gaza and were released only after their forced conversion. Where were the protests in the Islamic world at that act -- rather than the charge -- of forced conversion?

Where is the protest over the constant stream of vilification of Christianity and Judaism issuing from the official newspapers, mosques and religious authorities of Arab nations? When Sheik 'Atiyyah Saqr issues a fatwa declaring Jews ``apes and pigs''? When Sheik Abd al-Aziz Fawzan al-Fawzan, professor of Islamic law, says on Saudi TV that, ``Someone who denies Allah, worships Christ, son of Mary, and claims that God is one third of a trinity. ... Don't you hate the faith of such a polytheist?''

Where are the demonstrations, where are the parliamentary resolutions, where are the demands for retraction when the Mufti Sheik Dr. Ali Gum'a incites readers of al-Ahram, the Egyptian government daily, against ``the true and hideous face of the blood-suckers ... who prepare (Passover) matzos from human blood''?

The pope gives offense and the Mujaheddin Shura Council in Iraq declares that it ``will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose the 'jizya' (head) tax, then the only thing acceptable is conversion or the sword.'' This to protest the accusation that Islam might be spread by the sword.

As I said. No sense of irony.

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Reason, not religion, is the answer...
The reaction of Islamists to the Pope should shock no one. This is the clash of two irrational systems of thought, regardless of the Pope's prefecatory remarks.

The last Pope- beloved by everyone, it seems- visited Castro and vilified the West while on Cuban soil.

Christianity has always had communistic roots. Just because Christians in America have melded modernity with their faith doesn't mean the rest of the "Christian" world gets it.

Rogue

Christianity has always had communistic roots. Just because Christians in America have melded modernity with their faith doesn't mean the rest of the "Christian" world gets it.

Please elaborate on the above statement. As I recall, the Catholic Church allied itself with the secular rulers of Europe for centuries. The serf system was O.K. in Rome so long as the monesteries accumulated wealth and the bishops had influence and access to the king's court.

It was Christian thought after the Protestant revolution which allied with English common law which allowed the US Constitution to be born.

Not much time or space to delve into nuance, just a quick overview.

The Pope was being too kind to Islam
If the Pope truly wanted to put Islam on the defensive, he would not have depended on a brief 14th-century quote from a Byzantine ruler to open the discussion. All he needed to do was quote the Koran itself. That is the bible Muslims worship today and it makes the declarations of war against disbelievers (Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims) very direct. It is also the easiest and quickest way to put Islam on the defensive.

Here are a few verses from just one of 114 Suras, Sura 9, “Ultimatum”

http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/frames/index.html

[9:1] An ultimatum is herein issued from GOD and His messenger to the idol worshipers who enter into a treaty with you.

[9:2] Therefore, roam the earth freely for four months, and know that you cannot escape from GOD, and that GOD humiliates the disbelievers.

[9:3] A proclamation is herein issued from GOD and His messenger to all the people on the great day of pilgrimage, that GOD has disowned the idol worshipers, and so did His messenger. Thus, if you repent, it would be better for you. But if you turn away, then know that you can never escape from GOD. Promise those who disbelieve a painful retribution.

[9:4] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous.

[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[9:20] Those who believe, and emigrate, and strive in the cause of GOD with their money and their lives, are far greater in rank in the sight of GOD. These are the winners.

[9:23] O you who believe, do not ally yourselves even with your parents and your siblings, if they prefer disbelieving over believing. Those among you who ally themselves with them are transgressing.

[9:24] Proclaim: "If your parents, your children, your siblings, your spouses, your family, the money you have earned, a business you worry about, and the homes you cherish are more beloved to you than GOD and His messenger,** and the striving in His cause, then just wait until GOD brings His judgment." GOD does not guide the wicked people.

[9:26] Then GOD sent down contentment upon His messenger and upon the believers. And He sent down invisible soldiers; He thus punished those who disbelieved. This is the requital for the disbelievers.

9:30] The Jews said, "Ezra is the son of GOD," while the Christians said, "Jesus is the son of GOD!" These are blasphemies uttered by their mouths. They thus match the blasphemies of those who have disbelieved in the past. GOD condemns them. They have surely deviated.

[9:33] He is the One who sent His messenger* with the guidance and the religion of truth, and will make it dominate all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers.

[9:38] O you who believe, when you are told, "Mobilize in the cause of GOD," why do you become heavily attached to the ground? Have you chosen this worldly life in place of the Hereafter? The materials of this world, compared to the Hereafter, are nil.

[9:63] Did they not know that anyone who opposes GOD and His messenger has incurred the fire of H-ll forever? This is the worst humiliation.

[9:73] O you prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern in dealing with them. Their destiny is He-l; what a miserable abode!

[9:74] They swear by GOD that they never said it, although they have uttered the word of disbelief; they have disbelieved after becoming submitters. In fact, they gave up what they never had. They have rebelled even though GOD and His messenger have showered them with His grace and provisions. If they repent, it would be best for them. But if they turn away, GOD will commit them to painful retribution in this life and in the Hereafter. They will find no one on earth to be their lord and master.

[9:113] Neither the prophet, nor those who believe shall ask forgiveness for the idol worshipers, even if they were their nearest of kin, once they realize that they are destined for He-l.

Islam Pislam
To cite the crusades as a parallel to the use of violence in Islam is boneheaded.

First of all, the crusades were a response to Islamic violence. Prior to the first Crusade, Muslims had had raped, murdered, enslaved, castrated, and forced Christians to convert for centuries.

Second of all, Christianity spread for the first two hundred plus years in spite of the Roman Empire. When Rome finally made Christianity a state religion, it did so because of the social benefits (loving kindness, charity, etc.) of this religion, not for reasons of territorial conquest.

While there were certainly dark chapters in the history of Christianity of forced conversion, violence and coercion were never the primary vehicles for the conversion. Reason and spiritual awakening were.

And to compare Jewish violence to the bloodlust of Islam is just stupid. Quick, name all the groups massacred by Jews in the last 2,000. The Jews are so filled with loving kindness they actually give voting rights to Muslims in Isreal and do not require them to defend Israel against unending Islamic aggression. In contrast, Saudi Arabia doesn't even allow Jews in its Kingdom, much less giving them (or anyone else) voting rights.

1 more Muslim irony!
The stupid Muslims everywhere are trying to prove evolution: by their barbaric, irrational ape-like mentality they are clearly still climbing down from the trees. But for them even this is an impossible feat. Jump, idiot, jump!

I'm over-generalising. Some of the most intelligent people I have met are Muslim. Can we really be surprised that their own refuse to speak out when even OUR own (MSM, polies) won't do it, even when our own principles are under attack in our very own countries? As K says, it's about intimidation. And it's working.

It's Planet of the Apes all over again.


In Re: Apes
Unfortunately I can't post a photograph here, but I can describe one sent to me yesterday,

A Muslim, with what can best be described as simian features drawn into a rictus of hatred, is holding a sign reading: "Death to Palelogos!"

'Nuff said!

Don't call us violent...
or we'll cut your head off. Get the point??

I think "Historian" is a misnomer
Rogue:

You have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, John Paul II visited Cuba. He also visited Poland. He was also shot by a Turkish Muslim who had been hired, trained and planted in Rome by the Romanian Government (a puppet of Moscow).

In fact, with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, John Paul II was one of the three most feared people by the leadership of the Soviet Union in the 1980s. There is no doubt, in the minds of anyone who isn't so lost in their atheistic delusions, that these three people were responsible for the end of Communist Russia.

IF you knew anything about the Catholic Faith (and it is obvious that you don't), you would know that one of the most important Catholic miracles of the 20th Century, the Miracle at Fatima, involved the Blessed Mother warning about "Russia spreading her evil across the world." This was a statement relayed by a 12-year-old girl in Portugal just as the Bolsheviks were executing the Russian Royal Family.

Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador was a proponent of "liberation theology," a mix of marxism and Catholicism that is most definitely NOT approved by the Church. In fact, he was called to Rome by John Paul II and admonished for being "too political." It was in reaction to this liberation theology that John Paul II forbade members of the clergy (or consecrated religious, monks, nuns, et al) from serving in government.

Your obvious hate for all things religious is clear. No one requires that you believe in God or Christ. Just don't make stuff up to make your point. If the facts don't fit your belief system, then please don't use lies to justify yourself.

Rogue
is clearly a leftist secularist wannabe. Wonder if he even knows that many of the Major scientific advances in this world were made by Christians.

What's past is past
Offenses on all sides of the religious spectrum go back to the cave man days ("Zog took my Medicine stick!").
The key to the arguement is what's happening now.
Now is when muslims have gone a'conquering.
Now is when intimidation and terror are being used.
Apologists for the muslims point to bad behavior in the past to excuse bad behavior now.
It makes me think of when I was a kid (the Bronze Age) and the Old Man was hasseling me for some offense. I told him some other kid did it too.
Big mistake. I received the proverbial 'If so and so jumped off a cliff, then you would too?' speech.
So, I cast a jaundiced eye on any arguements relating Christian horrors of the past to the a terrors of modern islam.
The past can only come back to haunt you, but the threats of today are what threaten life and limb.
My only continuing conundrum is: Does a muslim have to know my bullets are dipped in bacon grease to be denied entrance to paradise after I shoot him; or do I have to run up and tell him?

The real problem
We have to admit that there are some very devout Muslims running around in the world. We also have to admit that there are some very devout Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. These devout people follow the precepts of their respective religions and most live peaceful lives waiting for their eternal reward.

The problem enters when one group of these religious people have every aspect of their lives controlled by their religious leaders. One of the leaders even went as far as to issue a fatwah (directive) saying that it is forbidden to disagree with them.

So when these heretics say that God is pleased by the deaths of certain groups of people who within the faith is going to argue with them. When a rival cleric or sect is pronounced as not being Muslim enough or outrage against a statement or cartoon is needed there are always enough "faithful" to do god's will. Unfortunately in most cases it's the will of the cleric, disguuised as the will of God, that gets done.

Who do you think organizes these demonstrations, insites the rabble and provides the flags, pictures and signs? Who calls the media to record the protests? Who provides the matches? The culture doesn't encourage independent thinking or actions from the masses so that leaves only the heretics in the mosques.

By the way, I refer to the clerics as heretics because I firmly believe that they are more about their personal power than seeing to the religious welfare of their congregations. They prohibit anything that would encourage free thinking or independent action that would lessen their control. Grand Iatola Al Sustani is reported to have said that playing chess is forbiden.

So what we have in the middle east are the coaches keeping the team fired up for the big game. Everyone jumps up and down and appears to be excited and wants to play but no one, either out of fear or obedience, asks why are we doing it this way.

insight into Islam
I think the reactions of the Muslim world offer us an insight into the source of the whole problem and a possible solution.

Clearly the Muslim world is caught in a primative mindset; one that is akin to pre-enlightenment Christianity in Europe.

We in the west should recognize it because we lived it, and we evolved out of it.

It's really very simple: the reason the Muslims are stuck in this mindset is that they do not have an open society. They aren't free to read any book they want, or to express their opinons openly.

So the solution is to nudge the Muslim world, step by step, towards opening up their societies to new, inevitably contradictory, ideas. This, and only this, will separate them from their fanatical attachment to their religion.

The problem is that our current strategy is having the opposite effect. It's binding them ever more tightly to their relgious beliefs because they feel they have to bind together against a great enemy.

My kingdom for a president who, himself, isn't stuck in a pre-enlightenment mindset.

Phylo out.




Rogue, everyone be...
...lieves in something! John Galt believed in the sacredness of the dollar $$$$ as his guide to reason and he had few if any morals. Christians and Judaics believe in the same God (if one looks closely at both the old and new Testaments) and muslims believe in allah (not the same God as Jehovah). What do you believe in? Reason? Reason depends on too much individual decision making based on a value system. Once again, Rogue, what do you believe in?
BTW, FOWG, it was the Reformation (from reform or make over) not Revolution.

Feel Oh
Wants us to nudge the Islamics "step by step" to new ideas. Exactly how? We have been nudging them for 1300 years and they have not gone very far....

What form does your nudging take? Sighing and saying "Bad Imam, no soup for you?" Expressing our disapproval?

What "nudged" Christianity back from this behavior was the total destruction that religious wars caused. See the wars in the 1600's in Germany, the Inquisition, and the crusades. Only when it was obvious that the military option was more costly than effective did it stop. But Islam has not reached that point.

What the Pope was getting at
The Pope was talking about the intertwined relationship of reason and religion. His point was Islam is a religion based purely on faith w/o reason which is why it has been spread by the sword for so long. A quote I read some time ago is fitting here: "a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still". With Christianity especially you cannot have an honest conversion that is not volitional.

Does Christianity have it's dark moments? Yep. This was mainly before the Bible was available to the common person in their own language. Since then most people have figured out that God isn't about converting people at swordpoint, but through a change in their hearts that is brought about by reason. Remember in Job God says "come, let us reason together". Also, Jesus never said anything about a blind faith. He reasoned with people most of the time and never tried to violently get anyone to follow Him.

As for the book of Joshua one needs to know the reasons behind the actions and commands of God here. God didn't command that people be converted or else, but instead wanted His chosen people (the Hebrews) to live w/o the evil influence of the pagans in their midst. Unfortunately this is not what happened as the Hebrews eventually got tired of fighting and made deals, as they do today.

Islam, on the other hand, has never left the violence. The recent actions speak volumes about this as they cannot take any criticism of their beliefs.

For those of us who are Christians we need to remember Jesus told us we would be persecuted. It doesn't mean we don't fight back, but that it is to be expected and how we fight back is important. We never win anyone over by banging their heads with the Bible, especially a fanatic. Reason, for those that will stop and listen, is the only way to the hearts and minds of people.

Pass the hat
If the Muslim street is in an uproar why is it that the cameras only focus in on a few Muslim street players?

Ever notice that the "mob" is usually comprised of less than a dozen agitated individuals, playing to the cameras, with a large group of on-lookers. You can get the same effect doing a televised man in the street interview.

The only thing missing are the credits rolling up the screen at the end of the performance or maybe someone passing the hat. But then Muslim clerics (directors) are shy, selfless people who don't seek fame, or power.

Irony
Thanks Charles. As you note, Christianity gave up violence centuries ago, and did so because it returned to the real words of the New Testament, the teachings of Jesus, Peter, Paul, and John. Islam continues with the real teachings of the Koran, and thus cannot give up violence and remain Muslim. As to Reformation, Osama bin Laden is the Muslim Luther, the man who returns religion to its true meaning. That is why the world will never be at peace with Islam.

I have long wondered if George Bush sees the irony in his own words when he calls Islam a "Religion of peace."

Simple math
Faith minus reason = jihad

Reason minus faith = nihilistic secular humanism (resulting in political oppression and war)

Silent & scared
Fact is, radical Islam has the world, including us here, scared. Sure we can sprout off over the net. But who among us has the ticker to do so publicly with name & address supplied? (I'm certainly not one of them! If you are, I admire you) And the more high profile one is, the greater the chance of reprisals (which is why I admire people like K/hammer etc so much). Nothing will change until the world recognises this fact.

The moment our leaders take a bipartisan approach to stamp out this fear is when the threat will subside. The moment our commedians are able to ridicule Islam (in the same way everything else is), is when the threat will just about disappear. It was the TV program Batman that spelt the end for the KKK (for disbelievers, Levitt makes a convincing case in 'Freakonomics').

We (the West) put the feelers out with the cartoon controversy & got burned. When will be the next courageous venture? The sooner the better. But next time our leaders & MSM need to be wiser & stand together strong.

(How apt was that cartoon where the guy is drawing Mohammed while sweating buckets.)

Bringing a sword to a gunfight
Krauthammer makes a good point about the irony of these violent antics, but I would have appreciated a comment or two about the stupidity of bringing a sword to a gunfight.

Of course, most people refuse to acknowledge that we're at war with Islam. Well, Islam is clearly at war with us, and we're never going to win it until we start digging our heels in.

That starts with being able to call a spade a spade.

Serious
Wants us to call a spade a spade. Sorry, we must properly call it "a hand held device for extraction of losely compacted earthen material from it's current location, and removal to an alternate locus."

Husker Jeff
"Bad Imam, no soup for you"...LOL! Loved the soup Nazi reference...CLASSIC!


more simple math
Ignorance = Truth without Love = Love without Truth = War

Secularists distrust Faith, but it has been pointed out by my spiritual teacher that secularists base all their arguments on their FAITH that their beliefs and perception of reality are True!

Compassion comes from the Socratic understanding that everyone is doing what they think is best according to their belief systems which they may think they chose, but anyone who has delved very deeply into psychology (or advanced spiritual teachings) knows that this assumption is highly suspect. Therefore we can stand for truth and defend life and liberty without hatred.

I see both President Bush and the Pope as being faithful to both truth and love. And I hope that courageous Muslim leaders will emerge from the ranks of Muslims with transcendent levels of understanding--the ones to whom President Bush is referring to. I think that the Pope has issued an invitation.




He is nearly always right
I have followed Krauthammer's writing for several years now, and in doing so also enjoy his political commentary on FOX News. I have noticed that his views are rarely opposed on FOX by his cohorts for reasons which I suspect has a lot to do with his delivery of flawless logic that average listener's understand, and the obvious inclusion in his arguments of factual information anyone could check out if they so chose.

I suspect he does a lot of homework, and it shows in all his articles.

As for this article it points out from many angles the hypocrisy of the current worldly Islamic mindset.

How simple can it be to understand the true face of Islam when their media spokesman won't admit that Islam is an inherently violent faith as we listen to weekly reports of more beheadings.

The appeasers of the left need to wake up, and cease their aid to our enemy.
Remember 9/11

Movwater?
Stop wasting the time of everyone that visits this page by plastering it with endless texts (which are, notably, not even your own thoughts or ramblings). Next time, post a web link. Otherwise, stay off this post, because enormous posts are detrimental to the conversation and debate (much like insults and citations of false facts). I hope that townhall.com removes your "comment" because it is an eyesore.

Intellectual rot
The only thing the folks in the Middle East understand is raw power. Bomb then out of the Stone Age.

Nudge & Intimidation
For a moment in this line it seemed the right and the left agreed that the Muslim world needed nudging away from its intractable position, such nudging being undefined, and such nudging being complicated by Muslim intimidation of their own and the rest of the world. Intimidation is the primary problem delaying change, and it emanates from Muslim leadership. It silences the moderate Muslim.

Ref.Tom, Kraut, Phylo, Huksterjef, Tour, Tom again and Sirius remarks are appropriate.

Guess what is happening in Iraq! Intimidation has severely limited the kinder and gentler "rebuilding effort".

Phylo, please prepare a detailed plan for your kinder and gentler "nudge". Oh, and if you begin with complete complete surrender of the more violent nudge currently underway, I think you must explain exactly how such a strategy can be implemented. It didnt work during the past 20 years!! I bet you believe stopping the Viet Nam war saved lives regardless the bloodbath that ensued after the US withdrew from Nam.

NRALifer
The statues in Afghanistan were less than 2,000 years old.

Understanding Islam
Necessary Intel

This is from my blog, Against the Tide. I've posted versions of it as replies to columns on the Pope's comment and the Islamic response.


Note to readers: In 8.5. below, the TH language police made me change the name of a hot afterlife venue from its original name to "Heck." Sorry. And I thought you conservatives were opposed to PC!

I'm a liberal academic in Massachusetts. I've taught college students about Islam--its theology and its politics--for over 30 years. The resources available now online can be very useful. Here are a few of them that are easily found. I've chosen mostly sources on jihad, with a couple of others thrown in.

I will say bluntly that it is absolutely necessary to understand the sheer alienness of Islam. Differences between Islam and Christianity are not like differences between Lutherans and Catholics, or Baptists and Methodists. The differences go all the way down.

1. For starters, a short piece on jihad from the reliable and accurate Daniel Pipes:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/990

2. Here’s a Muslim site claiming that jihad isn’t really about violence. Yes, it is true that there is a meaning for "jihad" that emphasizes and inner, spiritual struggle in the soul of the believer, but that's not the primary meaning.

http://www.islamworld.net/#jihad

3.Read this one to learn what our enemy—and yes—I believe Islam as such, not just so-called ‘radical Islam” is our enemy--believes

http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/jihad/#why_fight

Here is a sample:

Hasan al-Banna:

“Why Do the Muslims Fight?

"Islam allows jihad and permits war until the following Qur'anic verse is fulfilled:

‘We will we show them Our signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'an) is the truth.’

(Surat al-Fussilat (41), ayah 53)

People have for some time now ridiculed this but today these same people acknowledge that preparation for war is the surest way to peace! Allah did not ordain jihad for the Muslims so that it may be used as a tool of oppression or tyranny or so that it may be used by some to further their personal gains. Rather jihad is used to safeguard the mission of spreading Islam. This would guarantee peace and the means of implementing the Supreme Message. This is a responsibility which the Muslims bear, this Message guiding mankind to truth and justice. For Islam, even as it ordains jihad, it extols peace: the Blessed and Almighty said:

‘But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in Allah.’

(Surat al-Anfal (8), ayah 61)

"The Muslims in war had only one concern and this was to make the name of Allah Supreme, there was no room at all for any other objective.”

4. This next site has an exhaustive and authoritative presentation—tough going, but revealing. If you read the whole site carefully, you’ll learn that jihad is, in part, a fight for the freedom of all mankind to believe the truth about God. Remember that in Islam no one has the freedom to believe what is false about God.

http://al-islam.org/short/jihad/index.html

Here is a sample on comparing Islam and Christianity on the question of jihad:

Ayatullah Morteza Mutahhari

“It is said about Christianity that it has the distinction of not having any rule governing war. We, on the other hand, say that Islam has the distinction of having the law of jihad. If we look closely, we see that in Christianity there is no jihad because it has nothing at all. By which I mean that there is no Christian structure of society, no Christian legal system, and no Christian rules as to how a society is to be formed, for these to contain a law of jihad. There is no substance in Christianity; it contains no more than a few moral teachings that form a set of advice such as "tell the truth", "do not tell lies", "do not gobble up the wealth of others", and so on. Such things do not call for jihad? Islam however is a religion that sees it its duty and commitment to form an Islamic state. Islam came to reform society and to form a nation and government. Its mandate is the reform of the whole world. “

“Such a religion cannot be indifferent. It cannot be without a law of jihad. In the same way, its government cannot be without an army. While the scope of Christianity is extremely limited, that of Islam is extremely wide. While Christianity does not cross the frontiers of advice, Islam is a religion which covers all the activities of human life. It has laws which govern the society, economic laws, and political laws. It came to organize a state, to organize a government. Once this done, how can it remain without an army? How can it be without a law of jihad? “

Gosh, If Christianity can't do all this how did it manage to create those Crusades Muslims are always whining about? Just a thought.

5. Here is another explanation and defense of jihad, which includes a lot on how cool martyrdom (shahadat) is.

http://al-islam.org/beliefs/philosophy/jihadandshahadat.html

Here is a sample:

Ayatullah Sayyid Mahmud Taleqani

“The real question is whether or not Islam is a true religion. If it is a true religion, if it is a religion teaching the unity of God and obedience to the one God, if it has laws and regulations useful to the world and it can make the people fortunate, such a religion has to advance. If there is no sword, it should advance with teeth and claws. One cannot ask why Islam has advanced with the sword. The real question is whether it is the truth or fallacy which has advanced. It is wrong to argue, as some do, that since it has advanced by the sword, it is false. If you are not prejudiced, if you do not wish to remain under illusion, and if you do not wish to paint a false caricature of Islam for the already prejudiced masses of Europe, why do you argue as such? Do you mean that since the Muslims have fought, Islam is a false religion? Isn't it more reasonable to say, that because Islam is a true religion, it has not disregarded the necessity of warfare, and on the contrary has given a commandment to that effect?”

I guess Jesus should have enlisted in the Roman army when he met that centurion.

6. This next is from another website extolling martyrdom. Even those 72 virgins can't compare with what the martyr gets here!

http://www.shariati.com/jihadand.html

Dr. Ali Sharitati

“ A Shahid is the one who negates his whole existence for the sacred ideal in which we all believe. It is natural then that all the sacredness of that ideal and goal transports itself to his existence. True, that his existence has suddenly become non-existent, but he has absorbed the whole value of the idea for which he has negated himself. No wonder then, that he, in the mind of the people, becomes sacredness itself. In this way, man becomes absolute man, because he is no longer a person, an individual. He is "thought." He had been an individual who sacrificed himself for "thought" Now he is "thought" itself. For this reason, we do not recognize Husayn as a particular person who is the son of Ali. Husayn is a name for Islam, justice, imamat, and divine unity. We do not praise him as an individual in order to evaluate him and rank him among shuhada. This issue is not relevant. When we speak of Husayn, we do not mean Husayn as a person. Husayn was that individual who negated himself with absolute sincerity, with the utmost magnificence within human power, foran absolute and sacred value. From him remains nothing but a name.
His content is no longer an individual, but is a thought. He has transformed himself into the very school [for which he has negated him-self].”

“An individual who becomes a shahid for the sake of a nation, and thus obtains sacredness, earns this status. In the opinion of the ones who do not recognize a nation as the sum of individuals, but recognize it as a collective spirit above the individuals, a shahid is a spiritual crystallization of that collective spirit which they call "nation." Likewise, when an individual sacrifices himself for the sake of knowledge, he is no longer an individual. He becomes knowledge itself. He becomes the shahid of knowledge. We praise liberty through an individual who has given himself to liberty; we do not praise "him" because he was a good person. This is not of course in contradiction with the fact that, from God's perspective, he is still an individual, and in the hereafter, he will have a separate destiny and account. But in the society, and by the criterion of our school, we do not praise him as an individual; we praise the thought, the sacred. At this point, the meaning of the word "shahid" is all the more clear. When the belief in a sacred school of thought is gradually eroding, is about to vanish or be forgotten in a new generation due to a conspiracy, suddenly an individual, by negating himself, re-establishes it. In other words, he calls it back again to the scene of the world. By sacrificing his existence, he affirms the thitherto vanishing existence of that ideal. For this reason, he is shahid (witness, present) and mashhud (visible). He is always in front of us. The thought also obtains presence and permanence through him. It becomes revived and obtains a soul again.”

7. This one—a site intended for Muslim women-- explains why Islam discourages, almost to the point of prohibition, music and dancing.

This is why you will never, ever see an imam on "Dancing with the Stars" or a Muslim country-western singer with big hair.

http://members.tripod.com/oum_abdulaziz/music4.html#B

Here is a sample:

Abu Bilaal Mustafa al-Kanadi

“Preceding texts of the sunnah designated the general ruling of prohibition regarding singing under certain circumstances. The narration of Al-Haakim described the singing voice coupled with music as imbecilic and sinful. Naturally, singing to musical accompaniment is forbidden since it is coupled with music. (*255) As for innocent singing to the accompaniment of just the daff, this has been allowed on only specific occasions. (*256) “

“Singing without musical accompaniment is permitted under certain circumstances and with particular conditions. The lyrics of the songs must be pure and innocent, and must keep within the moral bounds set by Islamic teachings. Hence, lyrics which are erotic and licentious (*257) and/or sung in a licentious manner (*258) (which adversely affects the libidinous instincts of the listener) are undoubtedly forbidden. Moreover, even innocent songs become forbidden if they are performed in the presence of, or are coupled with, such prohibited acts as gambling, drinking and other deeds of moral depravity. Singing by women is restricted to a female audience as the nature of a woman's (singing) voice is to excite sexual feeling in the male listener. Generally speaking, these songs should be pure and innocent although they need not be restricted to Islamic themes. They may express simple joys, wisdom, etc. They may be in praise of such attributes as courage, fearlessness and strength; or the lyrics may commemorate historical incidents such as battles against the enemy, etc. Among the best songs are those which encourage piety through good deeds done for the sake of Allah.”

“It follows from what has preceded that the profession of music, singing, dancing and instrument making and selling are all forbidden. (*266) In an Islamic state such instruments may be seized (*267) from their owner and destroyed with recourse to indemnity.”

“It is the duty of a Muslim that he avoid listening to music and singing in so far as it is within his power and jurisdiction (e.g. in his home, office, car, etc.). As for what he hears from his neighbor's yard, or when he passes through the streets or markets, that is not a sin upon him, (*268) nor is it his responsibility to try to stop it unless he has the power and authority to do so. He may advise such unfortunates in a gentle, admonishing tome, using wisdom and good convincing arguments so that perchance they may see the light and fear Allah.”

8. Finally, why Muslims believe that Islam leaves no room for other religions; this shows that Islam itself, and not just some unpleasant version of it, is in principle opposed to freedom of religion.

http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=273

Unification of Religions
The Presidency of Islamic Research and Ifta - Riyadh
Under The General Supervision of the Grand Council of Scholars
Fatwa No: 19402, Dated 25 Muharram 1418H

Here is a sample from this fatwa:

“After comprehensive study the committee resolves the following:-

1. One of the fundamentals of Faith in Islam, which is known as an essential part of the religion and upon which all Muslims have agreed, is that there is no true religion on the earth except Islam, and that it is the Final religion which abrogated all previous religuions and creeds. Therefore, no other religion remains on earth by which Allah can be worshipped except Islam. Allah The Most High says, "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Al-Qur'an 3:85].

2. One of the fundamentals of faith in Islam is what Allah's Book (the Qur'an) is the last Book that was revealed by the Cherisher of the Worlds. It abrogated all the Books revealed by Allah before it, such as the Torah, the Psalms, and the Bible, and as such no other Book has been left by which Allah can be worshipped except the Qur'an. Allah, The Most High, says, "And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (the Qur'an) in truth, confirming the Scriptures that came before it, and trustworthy in highness and a witness over it (old scriptures). So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires." [Al-Qur'an] 5:48]

3. It is our belief that both the Torah and the Bible were abrogated by the Qur'an, and that they were changed by means of additions or deletions by their followers. This was indicated in some verses in Allah's Book - the Noble Qur'an. Allah, The Most High, says in His Qur'an, "So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them." [Al-Qur'an 5:13]

“5. One of the fundamentals of Islam is that any Jew or Christian who does not embrace Islam should be considered and designated as an unbeliever (Kafir) as well as an enemy of Allah, of His Messengers and the Believers (Muminoon), and such people will be the people of the Fire in accordance to Allah's Saying, that, "Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) and among al-Mushrikun (Polytheists), were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence." [Al-Qur'an 98:1]

“And Allah says, "Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur'an, and the Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu 'alaihi wa sallam)) from among the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) and al-Mushrikun (Polytheists) will abide in the Fire of [Heck]. They are the worst of creatures." [Al-Quran 98:6]

As I've said in comments on a number of columns, I am convinced that we are in an early phase of what will become a global war between Islam and the West. The distinction people like to draw between an allegedly "moderate" Islamic majority and a minority of whack-jobs doesn't work. This is because the Muslim man or woman who is willing and able to kill and die for the faith is regarded by those "moderate" Muslims as exemplary. As a student of political philosophy, I like to use a concept from Machiavelli: "effectual truth." The "effectual truth" of something is not the whole or objective truth; it is rather some part or aspect of that truth that is visible and works out in the world. Jihadism is the "effectual truth" of Islam. It is how Islam appears in and to the world of non-Muslims--what Muslims call the Dar-al-Harb, the "House of War." An individual Muslim may not choose to be a jihadi, but he will admire those who can, and that makes the "moderate" Muslim a serious threat when the chips are down




It worked with Musharraf
"The only thing the folks in the Middle East understand is raw power. Bomb then out of the Stone Age."

General MacArthur should be happy to know what that great diplomat and statesman, Richard Armitage, threatened Musharraf with if he failed to support the US after 9/11: Pakistan being bombed back to the Stone Age.

When can Armitage get on a plane to Tehran?

The greater irony
The most important point missed by many in the West, especially those left of center politically, are the things Islamists really hate about the West are exactly what the left promotes and defends. They may dislike Christians and Jews but atheists are below pigs and dogs. Secularists are considered no better. Hollywood movies that are rated PG are considered pornographic. Women's rights to anything without their husband's or a male family member's permission is against the law.

The Islamist also are fully aware how to use our political correctness against us. They have taken it to another level.

IVES
Wise and courageous Muslims have come forward--I have read very profound articles written by Muslims on the opinion pages of the WSJ, for example.

But what these leaders have to say will not play well for those who are still enmeshed in the postmodern memes of moral relativism and the victim/perpetrator model and the confusion that we call political correctness that seem to dominate the thinking of most of the world (especially the MSM).

MOVWATER......MOVE OVER!
Your post was much too lengthy to read and took up too much space.

Millitant Moderate Muslims-where are u?
Where is the "silent majority" of moderate muslims? Many of the countries where you live won't allow you to vote by speaking out or at the ballot box but you must find a way to be heard...we need militant moderate muslims to take on our (Christians and Jews) common enemy: the Nazis among us.

Christians don't seem to care
The reason Christians and Jews do not respond with outrage is complicated, I believe. Religious beliefs are the foundation of our society, regardless of what you might hear or think. But, we have become so obssesed with tolerance that we've lost sight of the morals and beliefs that made us great as a nation. Not that true Americans are only Christians or Jews. Those opposed to things like the 10 commandments in public forums often cite men like Jefferson as source for why it should not be allowed. Christians and Jews have had it beaten into their brains that they are offending others by recognizing the religious aspects of our society. Every poll done on belief in God says that nearly 90% of Americans do believe in a higher power. We MUST come to grips with the fact that we are a Judeo-Christian nation and embrace it, not push it away to embrace secularization and Godless-ness.

As soon as we do that, then we will be strong enough morally to take radical Islam head-on. We've lost something to believe in. Even those in the past who might not be evangelical Christians or Orthodox Jews still believed in the greatness of America and respected the overwhelming majority of their fellow citizens who saw fit to pay homage to their Creator in daily life and business. Christians don't want to take over this country and make it a theocracy. I dont, and I would call myself a believer. I believe in America and its people and its future. My belief that there is a God and a heaven and one day he will come back to earth makes me want to be a better citizen and to help my fellow man as much as I can before my time is up.

Ofcourse the reactions by the radical Islamists are ridiculous and meant to intimidate us. But, my bigger worry is that America has lost its way in relativism and unecessary ultra-tolerance.

Inventive History
It would seem "rogue historian" has been roasted alive with his inventive version of history as he wished it could be as evidenced by several comments containing actual historical facts.

Lefties really are having it rough these days aside from being told to go ......... "take a flying leap at a rolling dog turd"

I'm not familiar with rolling dog turds, but I'm sure they're out there somewhere.

movwater
Sometimes educating folks takes time and space.

It also takes willing students - clearly your lengthy posts weren't well received. Next time you should use your *own* time and space, and simply link to it here.

response to ives
You want my plan for nudging the Muslim extremists away from the fanatical attachment to their religion?

It's a two front attack:

Behind the scenes we need to use a combination of carrots and sticks to coerce the leaders of the Muslim countries to allow more freedoms; freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc.

Meanwhile the president should be using the bully pulpit to repeatedly, yet compassionately, point out why the closed intellectual systems of the Muslim world are the reason for their failure to keep up with the advances of western countries. He should continually remind them of how much better their society could be better by pointing to our successes.

Their religious leaders will try to counter our arguments with the argument that our freedoms have led to decandence.

We should counter with the argument that virtue by coercion is not virtue.

No, it wouldn't solve the problem overnight, but it would work in the long run. It would certainly work a lot better than Bush's strategy.

Phylo out.

These guys need jobs..
Has anyone ever noticed how "available" these Muslim crowds are for riots, protests, random burnings of The POTUS in effigy, Christian Church torchings, etc..
I think I am on to something here-
They don't have anything constructive to do, so
they start trouble, like people do when they have too much idle time on their hands.
These guys really do need to get a life!!
Oh, and the column was great, as usual.

Movwater & Gestell

Movwater: Did you actually read your post? I started but after 4 paragraphs I started to page ahead (39 times). You really expect anyone to read what the Pope said in Cube? Instead of pasting such a huge missive, summarize the important points please.

Gestell: Although your attempt was only 5 pages, I would appreciate it if you would condense it to the important points or provide a URL that I would peruse at my leisure.

To both of you: I did not read your posts. So do you get your point across if I don't read it?

Gestell
I did read your article and it is my understanding that much in the Koran that has brought misery and suffering upon the world dates from after Mohammed picked up the sword. But I believe that there is much in the Koran as well, that is true, beautiful and uplifting. To me, the following provide evidence of the power of this other aspect, and hope for Islam and its neighbors.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0204/p01s04-wome.html

http://www.yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=799&p=community&a=2

http://www.yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=793&p=front&a=2

phylo
Our strategy isn't working to open them up to new ideas huh? You were probably in a cave somewhere when this happened but there was a vote in Iraq that had OVERWHELMING turnout. If it's not working why would they even bother to show up? Once the seed of liberty and representative gov't is planted it's never given up! A small percentage of insurgents doesn't mean they are winning. It took us 6 years to rid the remnant of Nazis out of Germany and 6 years to get our own country rolling from 1776 to 1782. Hundreds of years of warped theology doesn't go away quickly. You have UNREALISTIC expectations sir.

islamic moderates
there are no islamic moderates, prepare to fight these crazys or they will win (see france, see britian) they are infiltrating everywhere

Another irony

I agree with Mr. Krauthammer that it is surely ironic of some Muslims to protest that Islam is a non-violent religion by attacking churches, killing a nun and condemning the pope to death. I wonder, though, if it has oooccured to him that it is also ironic for the United States to invade and occupy a far-off nation that had not attacked and was not threatening us, while claiming, as our president has, that "democracies are peaceful." The religion that George Bush and his "neo-con" supporters want to "spread by the sword" is the ersatz relgion, democracy.

Reply to Windy
Of course the Qu'ran has kinder and gentler texts than those quoted by the Muslims I cited. Please note that the Muslis who run the sites I used are trying to present Islam to the world--and the texts I cited were chosen by them.

The larger point is that Islam presents itself to the world as a religion of intolerance and force. I like to use a concept developed by Machiavelli--that of "effectual truth." The "effectual truth" of something is not necessarily the whole truth; it is rather the "truth" of how something appears. It is the most relevant truth. And that is what the jihadist version of Islam is--the effectual truth of Islam.

Reply to Birdman
I'm sorry you found my post too long. In fact, I did give URLs for every citation I provided. I put in the lengthy quotes from Islamic websites precisely because I wanted people to be able to read them without having to go to the websites themselves. If you check the URLs out, you'll see eaactly where the quotes came from, as well as find lots of other pretty unpleasant stuff.

questions and comments
Mr. Krauthammer cited a few cases of violent muslim reaction to insults and I feel he missed a very important one - the murder in cold blood a few years ago of Theodore Van Gogh (distant relative of Vincent), a Belgian filmmaker who made a film critical of Islam's treatment of women.


QUESTIONS

How many of you out there have actually read the whole speech? I am trying to read it. (It ain't easy.)

1) How many of those participating in the latest ITT (Islamic Temper Tantrum) do you think can read?

2) Of those who can read, how many have read the speech?

3) Of the few remaining, how many understand it?

Let's be generous and answer questions 1-3 with a 1%.

SO

1,000,000 people are rioting

1% can read - 10,000

of those 10,000

1% have read the speech - 100

of those 100 - 1% can understand it.


for a grand total of (drum roll!!!)



1

We won't even TALK about context
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