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Saturday, October 04, 2008
Cesar Conda :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Tax Issue is the Key to a McCain Victory
by Cesar Conda
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Now that Congress has approved the Bush-Paulson financial stabilization plan, Senator John McCain has an opportunity to refocus his Presidential campaign, and get back on the political offensive by pounding Senator Obama on the tax issue.

No domestic issue provides a starker contrast between Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama than the issue of taxes. McCain wants to keep taxes low for all taxpayers, and cut them where he can. Mr. Obama wants to redistribute the tax burden by raising tax rates on the economically successful, and providing tax relief to certain middle- and low-income earners.

Specifically, Senator McCain wants to permanently extend the 2001-2003 tax reductions, increase dependent tax exemptions, cut the U.S. corporate tax from 35 percent to 25 percent, allow businesses to expense their investments, and phase-out the Alternative Minimum Tax. Ultimately, Mr. McCain wants to simplify the tax code by allowing taxpayers to choose between the current system or a streamlined system with two income tax brackets and a generous standard deduction.

By contrast, Senator Obama has proposed a redistributionist tax plan, which would generally raise income and payroll taxes on the so-called “wealthy,” and use that extra tax revenue to provide a hodge-podge of tax breaks for middle- and lower-income taxpayers. Obama’s tax-raising agenda includes increasing the top tax rate to 39.6 percent, raising capital gains and dividend taxes somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent, and imposing a 2 to 4 percent payroll tax surcharge on people earning $250,000 or more.

Further, Senator Obama’s voting record clearly demonstrates his bias toward higher taxes. During just three years in the U.S. Senate, Obama voted 94 times for higher taxes, and voted for a Congressional budget resolution which called for raising taxes on people earning as low as $42,000 annually.

Because of tightening credit, rising energy prices, and the continuing fall-out from the housing bubble, the U.S. economy is clearly slowing down, perhaps sliding into a recession. As a result, jobless claims are up, consumer spending has slowed from the second quarter to the beginning of the third quarter, and corporate after-tax profits and capital expenditures are anemic. Over the past ten months through September, the economy has lost 983,000 jobs while unemployment has increased from 5.0 to 6.1 percent.

Even the most extreme liberal Keynesian economists would not propose increasing taxes in a recession. Barack Obama now says he would consider delaying the tax rate hikes on the rich if the economy is in recession. But if the budget deficit worsens, Mr. Obama will be under tremendous political pressure by liberal interest groups to raise taxes to pay for social government spending programs. If forced to choose between raising tax rates on the rich or increasing funding for Head Start or government health insurance for children, is there any doubt what President Obama would do, even if there was a recession?

In a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed, former Bush advisor Karl Rove wrote: “Taxes still matter because they are highly visible and unpopular. In a July 2008 Pew Poll, 52% of Americans said it was ‘difficult to afford’ taxes. And in times of economic challenge, concern about taxes rises—especially among blue-collar households skeptical of promises that that tax increases won’t affect them.” Mr. Rove concludes: “The tax issue has lost its political punch in the eyes of some commentators, but not among voters.”

Apparently, not many among Democrat politicians either. Recently, Senator Bernie Sanders, Independent from Vermont and an avowed socialist, proposed an amendment to the Paulson financial rescue plan calling for a 10 percent surtax on wealthy individuals earning more than $500,000 annually to help finance the cost of the plan. Interestingly, the amendment was defeated on a “voice vote” because Democratic Senators feared going on the record in favor of higher taxes only weeks before an election.

Clearly, Democrats remain politically vulnerable on taxes. During the recent Vice Presidential debate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin relentlessly attacked Mr. Biden and Mr. Obama for proposing higher taxes:

“Now, Barack Obama and Senator Biden also voted for the largest tax increases in U.S. history. Barack had 94 opportunities to side on the people's side and reduce taxes and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction, 94 times. Now, that's not what we need to create jobs and really bolster and heat up our economy. We do need the private sector to be able to keep more of what we earn and produce. Government is going to have to learn to be more efficient and live with less if that's what it takes to reign in the government growth that we've seen today. But we do need tax relief and Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year. That's a lot of middle-income average American families to increase taxes on them. I think that is the way to kill jobs and to continue to harm our economy.”

Senator McCain needs to pick up where his running mate left off by repeatedly explaining his pro-growth tax cuts, and relentlessly pounding Barack Obama for wanting to raise taxes, from now until Election Day.

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You are right
McCain needs to hit hard on the difference in tax plans with Obama. In addition, regarding the economy, he needs to talk about balancing the budget and about a real plan for a Social Security lockbox. At least Social Security could be extended.

And, he needs to NOT lecture Obama about it. That was not a popular thing for him to do in the first debate about foreign policy, even though he was right and Obama was wrong.

Another thing he needs to do is hit Obama up about where he would make cuts in his economic plan. Obama never named a way he would do that during the first debate.

Here's hoping......


McCain needs to
show how obama's plans will lead to socialism now and complete communism down the road.

When a guy wants to tax inheritances 45% so that "families can't amass fortunes to leave to their kids", that's communism 101.

This re-distribution scheme is disgusting, my son is a small business guy, his taxes will go up under obama to the point that he will not only have to let people go and they might lose THEIR homes, he might lose HIS after 25 years of hard work and contributing to society.

Dems are trying to destroy this country from within, since their "base" can't ever seem to succeed without one program after another, they have built an entire poverty industry at our expense.
The only way to level the playing field from their perspective is to bring the rest of the country down to their level.

This must stop. Obama will change things alright, he'll use these crises to convince people to vote communism right into this country as Kruschev bragged 50 years ago we would do.

Obama has too many ties to commies like Alinsky and Ayres and the front org. ACORN, the dems have been infested with commies for decades as has hollywood which was exposed in the 50's....Wake up people or lose our country..obama is dangerous!

no brainer: keep it up.
Why isn't the news focusing in on this issue? It is a no brainer.

Personnel responsibility
The road to hell is paved with good intentions and although we may not be on the road to hell we are on a road to financial collapse.

The government wanted to be nice and give home loans away look where it got us. The democrats want to give more, college educations and health care.

Most people, according to the polling, would like to see more personnel responsiblility. The McCain camp is missing a golden opportunity by buying into the we can do for you mentality of the democrats. We want you (the government) out of the Way. Stop helping your killing the economy. Mr. McCain if elected, hold the 9/11 type commission and name names as you said you would. Demand accountability.

The top 10% of wage earners pay 80% of the taxes. Mr. Biden, That's not fair? In the name of FAIRNESS Biden wants more.

Part of Obama's tax policy is to eliminate the Bush policy which saved me two thousand dollars. Obama wants to give me, as one of the 95%, a one thousand dollar tax break. I call it a tax increase.

McCain and taxes
I think it would be wrong to over emphasize what each is going to do in the future, more for McCain than for Obama. Although taxes are always unpopular, the average middle class voter is not that sophisticated in connecting lower taxes to job growth, especially when the "fat cats" who caused this mess are getting the tax cuts. They are mad and want to know what went on and who to blame. The MSM does not have to bring up anything unpleasant about Obama or Biden's past if John McCain doesn't. McCain will just have to be prepared to defend his own record, which I think he will be able to.

McCain actually has a history of actions, Obama's lack of record makes him more like an outsider. McCain needs to tap into voter anger, and voter's are not angry about what the future is, right now, they are angry about why we are where we are. By McCain not saying much, or not allowing the true outsider, Palin to call it as she sees it, the public thinks he is guilty as charged by Obama. As the old saying goes, a good defense is a strong offense, and I think McCain has more ammunition.

If you believe that there is something to Frank Lutz's little graphs, (and I do, because my 30 year old son commented he was most impressed when she talked about personal responsiblity, and he didn't watch any of the tv reports), she hit a nerve. On the flip side, when Joe Biden said he worked in a bi-partisan fashion, he scored the lowest scores of the debate.

McCain needs to tap into the past now, more than ever. People want someone to blame, and they need to know where to direct their attention. (Remember when Michelle used to tell groups Obama will tell you things you don't want to hear, tough things?) McCain has to connect the dots from the past to the future.

Obama
Watch what Obama will do with regard to taxes. He will give with one hand and then take away a lot more with the other hand. He said he will raise taxes on businesses. This will increase the cost of goods sold to us but it is hidden.

Tax relief
It seems to me that the only way to enact any kind of "tax reform" or relief is to start from the ground up, literally. JUST START OVER! Get ride of the IRS and its cumbersome code that NO ONE can accurately decipher, just keeps growing, and is an enormous financial drain just publishing, revising, and enforcing. Simplify things with the FAIR TAX. Let people keep more of what they make. Let businesses keep and reinvest their profits, even expand! Let more companies come HERE, in light of favorable tax rules, instead of sending jobs offshore/overseas due to oppressive taxation. The FAIR TAX, upon creation or very soon thereafter, would stop the financial hemorrage that is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Support the FAIR TAX and encourage your political candidates to do so also.

McCain needs to explain
What middle class taxpayers will lose when the 2001-3 tax cuts end. Also that the increase in dependent tax deductions will give a middle class family of 4 a larger tax cut than Obama's $500 1 time rebate. (BTW isn't that just another pair of ear rings?). Finally McCain either must be able to explain why $300 billion corporate tax cut is worthwhile. While I think the corporate tax is what our economy needs, I think it is a tough sell, especially when you are attacking corporate greed. Also does McCain if elected really think he can get a Democratic congress pass such a tax cut?

McCain also needs to remind people
that Bill Clinton also ran on the promise to raise taxes on the rich only, but then, after in office for a very short time, announced that things were much worse than he thought and would now have to raise taxes on everyone. Just because someone makes a campaign promise, doesn't mean they are actually going to keep it.

tax cuts require spending cuts
The Bush Administration has added $6 Trillion to the national debt. TAx cuts without massive spending cuts is economic stupidity. Republicans always talk about tax cuts but keep on spending like they support very high taxes.

The Bush Administraiton has a 20% approval rating because they refused to control spending. Having McCAin support tax cuts without matching spending cuts is idiotic and a losing idea.

If you want people to demand less government let them pay for it at the 110% rate. Tax people more than the full price for government programs and they will demand massive budget cuts and the ending of wasteful government programs. Tax cuts and deficit spending let people have big government programs at a discount and encourage the growth of government.

Mr. Conda, You Are Wrong
respectfully.

The issue is limited government. To a certain level taxes enable economic growth and beyond that point they suppress economic growth. Taxes are therefore necessary and taking an anti-tax position is the wrong point of view.

The correct view is to be for limited government as intended by the Founding Fathers and that will encourage economic growth. Growth and economic vitality is created in the private sector by capital. Large government takes that capital out of the private sector and by doing so reduces the money available for investment.

Under capitalism low-income earners have more things that rich people did 50 years ago -- cell phones, PCs, big-screen TVs, microwave ovens and so forth. This system works.

Economic growth in this country has declined steadily since the country's founding. It has declined more rapidly since the era of high taxes and big government. That's why the middle class is struggling -- the very policies liberals profess will help the middle class hurt them.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st292/
http://www.house.gov/jec/growth/govtsize/govtsize.pdf
http://www.gongol.com/research/economics/gdpgrowth/

What the Republicans need to do is to say they will reduce the size of government to some specific level of GDP and let the liberals argue it should grow.

Taxes Are Not IT!
What don't people get; Obama is pulling this race out because with the ecomony in shambles, people want healthcare and wealth redistribution. It healed any fraction of Hillary supporters, they just don't give a damn anymore. They think Bush caused all the problems. They look at Iraq and the eonomy and think, hell, how could this novice with a good speech do any worse?

Bottomline is this. McCain needs to turn this election into a referendum on greed and corruption, and how that has screwed the average Joe. Hell, I'll even use six pack. He'll point and name the Dems who caused the financial problem (if he wants to win), and say we've had it. We're going to turn the government back over to Washington. He still hasn't yet even mentioned to America, what caused the crisis, tied to the Dems, and there aren't enough youtube lookers viewing to turn on Burning Down the House.

Then, he can drill down into taxes, what that means to jobs, and then oil/ energy, and what that means to jobs and the economy by reducing costs, and then healthcare, as it relates to choices in contrast to socialized medicine. If he doesn't use the economy to frame his debate, he is cooked. Taxes are just one element, but the over-arching umbrella which it is under is reform of government mismanagement and waste, and corruption.

We Need to Understand
that government can't raise or lower taxes. They raise and lower TAX RATES. The behavior of people and markets in response to the rate changes determines whether the change in rates increases or decreases revenue to the government. Sometimes TAX RATE increases result in lost revenue to the treasury. How can that be? Well, as just noted, increasing taxes suppresses economic activity. When the increased taxes cause too much harm to economic activity the government loses money.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will102899.asp is a great article on this point. Ted Kennedy decided the government needed more revenue (always the liberal view) and pushed legislation to add a luxury tax on the yachts that rich people buy. The TAX RATE was increased for those buying luxury yachts. Guess what? Rich people stopped buying luxury yachts, which in turn destroyed the yacht building business in MA. So despite the TAX RATE INCREASE the REVENUE to the government DECLINED. Rates went up and revenue went down. In a delicious bit of irony Kennedy later passed a TARGETED TAX CUT FOR RICH PEOPLE who buy yachts as a matter of fairness to yacht builders. I say it again Kennedy led the fight to pass legislation for a targeted tax cut for the rich. That says all that needs to be said.

Taxes - get a grip
With America being BEZILLIONS in debt neither is going to hand a tax cut! Taxes is just the buzz word for political campaigns. Who can out promise the other. Who ever wins the oval office and takes over, reality will hit.If the incoming president tries to cut taxes then you can kiss American goodbye as we gurgle down the drain.

chicaree, let's try again
This country can't tax its way out of the economic mess. It must grow our way out of it.

No one is entitled to their own facts and the fact is that revenue to the government is UP -- IT HAS INCREASED -- THE GOVERNMENT IS GETTING MORE REVENUE -- after the 2003 Bush Tax Cuts. The deficit is increasing (as it sadly did under Reagan) because government spending is increasing faster than the revenue gains that resulted from the reduced tax rates.

There are plenty of facts that prove these points:
1. Government sets tax rates; the revenue that results depends upon the response of markets.
2. Growth is suppressed by high levels of government taxation.
America doesn't have a tax revenue problem; it has a spending problem. The only way out of this mess is to reduce the size of government and thereby enable economic growth. This requires the elimination of government programs and a reduction of tax rates.

We have a mountain of debt in our social programs that is hidden from view by government chicanery. That debt is 5-6x more than the the debt that the government admits and if a business kept books this way its officers would all go to jail.

So besides shrinking government to enable growth we need an honest budget process so we can see the magnitude of the problem to enable us figure out how to fix the mess.

Revenue to government
Year Total Revenue-total
1992 2025.3
1993 2150.3
1994 2301.8
1995 2464.6
1996 2615.4
1997 2804.0
1998 3003.8
1999 3168.5
2000 3457.8
2001 3756.3
2002 3388.0
2003 3671.4
2004 3594.7
2005 4017.0
2006 4435.8
2007 4776.4

McCain's contradictions
McCain's response to the financial crisis has been to blame "Wall Street greed" and "predatory lenders." Sarah Palin said the same thing in her debate with Biden.

So then, why is McCain simultaneously calling for a big corporate tax cut for those "greedy predatory lenders on Wall Street"?

Attacking "Wall Street greed" and then rewarding it with a corporate tax cut?

Would McCain agree that any Wall Street firm that gets bailed out will NOT be eligible for this corporate tax cut?


McCain's tax increase
If you get your health insurance from your employer, hold onto your wallets because John McCain plans to tax the value of your health insurance.

Conversely, Barack Obama will cut taxes for everyone making less than a quarter of a million dollars per year, plus allow all Americans (if they choose to) to buy into the Federal Employees Insurance System, the same health insurance that presently covers John McCain's medical bills.

Economic issues favor Democrats?
General wisdom is that economic issues favor the Democrats, and I have no idea why. Perhaps it is that Democrats favor handouts.

McCain can make a strong case for governmental reform - getting rid of greed and corruption in Washington. People are ready to hear that.

Plans by both McCain and Obama will increase no-pay income tax returns from about 33% to 43%. No difference.

Obama's plans to tax the engines of our economy - businesses, corporations, and investments, is a hoax. Taxes are regressive; tax WalMart and Walmart will pass it along to consumers.

"Greedy corporations" don't keep their profits. They pass them along to investors. Anyone with a retirement account, investment account, 401k, etc. benefits. That's most Americans. So, Obama's corporate taxes will impact the average American's future.

Nobody is forgetting about the little guy. Over 50% of the Federal budget goes to entitlements and social programs already.

The class warfare invoked by Democrats is also a hoax. Very few people remain at the same economic level throughout their lives. We don't live in a monarchy where the only way to improve your lot in life is to be born to royalty. The poor and middle class already receive "help" from the tremendous economic mobility inherent in our system.

So, Republicans should go out, make a strong case, and take over the lead on economic issues.

Trickle~down
Trickle~down economics works every time it's tried...

Tax incentives for home buyers
is what is needed most, this will solve much of the problem we are currently experiencing. People who live modest lifestyles without dependent children are the ones who get caught in the Alternative Minimum Tax and can't even deduct their mortgages, health related expenses or charitable donations. This is unfair. And everyone should get a tax break, not just people with children at home. We are already paying for them with our high local and real estate taxes and don't have any say in the terrible schools our money is being used for. Why should I pay for a family who has a higher income than I do and their kids have many more things than we can afford??? This has gone too far.

GeorgiaGal - health insurance
Do you know that self employed people don't even qualify for the fancy Major Medical policies employers provide for you? Do you know that we pay for them out of our pockets with high prices? Do you know that they are the ones who are constantly abusing the system for every little thing driving our insurance rates up even higher?

I think everyone should pay for their own, that way, the prices would come down, people would be more responsible in how they use it and those in the medical and pharmaceutical field would not be overcharging everyone just because they can get away with it.

You do not need antibiotics for a cold, you do not need antidepressants when your boyfriend drops you, you do not need to stuff your faces until you're so fat you can't get through a door and end up diabetic. You abuse yourselves, the system and the rest of us, too.

Don Juan - manufacturing
I totally agree and keeping manufacturing jobs here is not only an economic issue, it is a national security issue. We need to be able to produce everything we use. The unions, high taxes and govt regulations are also leading many corportations to relocate overseas, while union leaders are some of the highest paid in Washington.

Mexico also lost half a million manufacturing jobs to China, which led to them coming here illegally to take our jobs, which many of them did in construction. Developers would not have been able to overbuild without them here and that was another thing that led to the crash in that sector.

I am for legal immigration, but has to be done within reason so those coming here do not displace American workers who need their jobs and neither candidate has cared about that in the past. McCain says he does now, well, we'll see. Obama doesn't.

Illusions
Elko is right. The first commitment must be to control and reduce the over-all growth of government.

Why?

Because in the last 30 years, tax cuts, absence controls on spending, have never generated enough new revenue to pay for the new spending. Today is nothing more than election talk.

McCain, however, has several problems. The author quotes the number of times Obama voted for tax increases. What he doesn't do, is identify the number of times McCain voted for the same bills - given many were continuing resolutions. And then, you have the fact that McCain has been in office for 25 years. And I can guarantee you that if Obama reacts to McCains current ad, that it will turn out that McCain has voted for far more tax increase than Obama. It's the nature of Washington.

In the end, McCain is going to try to switch the debate to Obama, from the economy. Obama, however, may simply ignore much of this, as he will continue to hammer at the economy. Along the way, we have the unreality in both camps.
The budget submitted Bush to Congress for next year projected a deficit of $482 billion - but the revenue projections are already out of whack. Now, add in the $200 B for Freddie and Fannie, the rest of the 1st stage of the bailout, the bill passed yesterday, and the fact that McCain commented today that this bill won't solve the problem, and you know clearly that their will be other bills, and other spending. The economy is, further, sliding into a recession. The bailout in turn won't work until the values of houses stop falling - and they haven't.

Everything we're hearing today, will be affected by what continues to happen. We are awash in red ink - and it's rising.

Both candidates will end up doing what they have to do, not what they are saying they will do today.

Further
In case some of you have trouble with the math. Remember, Obama is offering tax cuts to the 80%. And that's what they'll see. They don't care about tax cuts to the other 20%. Just theirs. And 80% will outvote the 20% everytime. The author's idea, as a result, may well not work - and could even backfire.

Obama and Small Business
He doesn't understand that Small Business employs the most people in this country and that it is already cost prohibitive to be an entrepeneur, tax and insurance wise. His tax and insurance plan will make it worse. Many legal immigrants in this country also have the entrepeneurial spirit and own their own small businesses, they will be crushed.

Re: Voting for and against tax bills
There are other reasons why politicans vote for or against tax bills or any bills, depending on what else they include, and those statistics a lot of you like to spout off don't take the obvious into consideration.

THIS IS WHY the presidents keep trying to get a line item VETO, which Gov Palin has used extensively to eliminate waste in her state and another reason why McCain chose her. I heard some Democrats say on television they weren't willing to give one to a Republican, iow, to hell with the country, overspending, etc.

This is one thing McCain and Palin want to change. And if a person with money can't afford to buy anything, then how are the people working for car manufacturers supposed to make a living, etc? Trickle down just means that people with money to spend will contribute to the economy. People who don't work hard and have no money to spend and live on on govt handouts do not.

Both of them are right about the Middle Class, we are the ones who get the shaft every time, but what's the point of working harder and making more, if Obama is just going to take it away? Or crush it? If you want a socialist country, remember the Soviet Union or Cuba, if you can think that far. His puny tax deduction isn't going to do anything, if the economy stays wrecked, and what good is it with NO INCOME??? Why don't you stop urinating on us with your jive?

Don Juan - do your homework
maybe you should figure out who blocked oversight into Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which led to this mess!!!!!!!!!

We are small business owners and have been for 25 years. We had to lay off our employees last month and Obama is increasing taxes for everyone who makes over $250,000 not $500,000. We don't make that much and probably never will at this rate.... but we do sell things to people who have money and our business depends on that.

And I want my retirement money in MY OWN HANDS to invest, I'm sick of paying twice as much social security as employed people do. My father was a business owner, he paid in his whole life and died at age 64. We got a $250 burial benefit, that's it. If middle class and lower class people had that money, they would have had downpayments on a home, their investment would have increased in value, they could be building a nest egg for their retirements and they would not have had to take out risky loans, either!

I'm for trickle down AND trickle up, works both ways. Anyone who favors one over the other is going to make everything worse. I am an independent.


Don Juan
I realize taking sense to you is a waste of time, however, someone else might be interested. Now, Obama wants to raise taxes on the rich to pay for his programs. McCain does not. Perhaps you may be aware that rich folks have the ability to move their monies offshore or into non taxable assets also located in foreign countries. The rest of us don't have that ability or the lawyers to help us help ourselves. Moving money means losing jobs. Period! Furthermore, Obama wants to GIVE money to low income folks who are in no small part responsible for the mortgage problem we find ourselves in now. Give money to the folks who ran up bills they couldn't pay and Obama wants to GIVE them money? What's wrong with this picture?

Don Juan
I really despise when cretins like you espouse economics but are really totally clueless.

Obama wants to tax those that make 250,000 and up. What you don't get, bottom line, is what is on paper is not actually what you take home, and what you take home is going to be substantially less.

Are you totally clueless between the difference of gross and net?

GeorgiaGal
"Conversely, Barack Obama will cut taxes for everyone making less than a quarter of a million dollars per year, plus allow all Americans (if they choose to) to buy into the Federal Employees Insurance System, the same health insurance that presently covers John McCain's medical bills."

Now let me see...where have I heard that before...oh yeah Bill Clinton!!!

You know what I see on here...
a whole lot of people who tell themselves constantly..."This time things will be different!"

Don Juan, The Money
did go elsewhere. Rich people stopped buying yachts in the US and bought them in other countries. Kennedy's plan basically chased the money offshore. It was good for yacht builders in other countries and not good for them here. So you are correct that the money did go elsewhere -- rich people voted with their deck shoes.

However, that wasn't the issue. The issue was that taxes were RAISED and revenue went DOWN. So the government can only change tax RATES; they can't RAISE taxes. Tax revue to the government went up after Bush's tax plan reduced rates in 2003 -- you can look it up.

If I am in business and I see the growth in countries like India and China and I see lower taxes in other parts of the globe, what will I do? Just like the rich yacht buyers, I'm going to take my company somewhere else if tax rates in the US make me uncompetitive. That is the probable outcome of the Obama-Biden tax hikes on corporations.

That's just one of the many bad results of a high tax and big government approach.

Let me just say my tax burden is well above the average salary in this country and I choose to live in Elko. In fact I left California with a good chuck of cash and a comfortable salary because of the taxes and meddling government.

Wake up dumbo...
Taxation is collected at the point of purchase and hurts the poor the most as they spend all their money buying essentials.

When my employer pays me and takes my taxes out and sends them to Uncle Sam. He charges that all back to the product.

Now I go purchase that product paying not only my taxation, my employers profit, and everybody else's taxes along with it.

Point of purchase taxation.

So the poor are buying products with approximately 50% of it tax. And you thought the rich were soaked.

Senator Obama/Biden do not lie your taxing the rich. There is no such thing.

Don Juan, You've Obviously
bought into the Obama baloney sandwich and when that socialist is done you will be lucky if you have the money to buy the baloney.

The classic mistake (unless they are just lying) liberals make is that they assume correlation is causality. The fact that the middle class is doing well and the economy is growing doesn't say that the good economy is the result of a growing middle class.

This idea that one can take money from the productive part of the economy and give it to the unproductive part of the economy and make the economy more efficient is extremely silly. The economy grows because people make investments that improve the goods and services they sell, reduce the cost of the goods and services they sell, or create new goods and services. Investment = growing economy = vibrant middle class. It is not the other way around. The middle class did not invent the Internet (sorry AlGore); scientists, engineers, and business people did it with investments. The middle class has benefited from these investments.

Obama's plan really doesn't pass the giggle test. This change agent follows the old liberal dogma of wealth redistribution and that has worked not at all in a number of countries.

Redlac, We absolutely
need to get government under control

The hidden debt -- that is, the entitlements this generation has left for future generations to pay -- is now over $50T dollars. If liberals think deficit spending is a bad thing -- by the way I sure do -- then they ought to oppose entitlement spending by credit card.

As much as anything we need to DEMAND that Congress budget honestly. Everything, including actuarial promises, must be in the budget. We also need to use dynamic accounting to figure tax benefits. In other posts I've noted that tax revenue doesn't necessary correlate with tax rates.

Today, right now, the total debt we've left to our children and grand children is perhaps greater than $50T dollars. That is despicable and regardless of party affiliation or political leanings we owe it to future generations to fix it.

We the people must demand that Congress make the fixes. If our Congressman, either party, won't do it then vote the bum out.


New Tax Plan
The tax plan McCain should be supporting is the FairTax. Let us keep the money we make; and, instead, tax us on what we spend.

Charley, Why is it
that these dolts don't realize that a business tax is just part of the product cost and will be passed onto the consumer? What are they thinking?

Is Big Oil paying the gas taxes? I don't think so. It is Joe (or Sally) SixPack who fills up their car to go fishing. So raising taxes on a business is just raising taxes on it customers.

The growth markets in the world are China and India and so that's where businesses will want to have a presence. With business tax in the US among the highest in the world, well these businesses may need to go elsewhere in order to thrive.

Liberals who believe in Obama's plan either can't think or they are in desperate need of economic lessons.

By the way, the following link is a good article that relates tax rates to GDP growth. It is interesting that Obama is now talking about delaying tax increases until the economy comes back around. Well if raising taxes and giving more money to the middle class is good for the economy as he has claimed, why wait for the economy to turn around? Why not just fix it with tax increases and redistribution on the first day in office? Could it be he is misleading the weak minded among us?

The link is http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cfr.org/ content/publications/images/he_budget_testimony-chart.gif&i mgrefurl=http://www.cfr.org/publication/9872/testimony_of_d ouglas_holtzeakin_before_the_committee_on_the_budget_united _states_house_of_representatives_prepared_remarks.html&h=37 4&w=552&sz=6&hl=en&start=169&um=1&tbnid=nTLsNgld_S-EdM:&tbn h=90&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhistorical%2Bfederal%2Bgov ernment%2Bspending%2Bpercent%2B%2525%2BGDP%26start%3D162%26 ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

GALisa, Amen!
The tax code is now so complex that even its Chief Author, Charlie Wrangle, can't figure it out. I'd like to see the RNC really get behind tax code simplification.


GALisa, Amen!
The tax code is now so complex that even its Chief Author, Charlie Rangle, can't figure it out. I'd like to see the RNC back in a strong way tax code simplification.

If citizens really knew what they paid in taxes there would be a very large cry for government reform. In addition, removing all of the special deals from the code will reduce the corruption in Congress.

Don Juan, Where to Start?
Paying taxes is voluntary you say. You also claim to be an expert in such things. Well exactly how do I take advantage of that? How would I stop paying them voluntarily and stay out of jail? The best thing about my tax burden is that I don't get all of the government that I pay for.

Also, as you have a good financial background let me ask should I put my money in financial instruments that net 6% CAGR or 3% CAGR? Assuming that you would say 6% CAGR, why is that? I hope you would say that it creates more wealth. If not I would be interested in your take. If you believe in more growth in financial instruments they why support tax policies that reduce growth from 6% to 3%? That sounds like the advice of a bad financial planner.

I'm also confused about this tax thing in the margin. If I'm a business in the US with a tax rate of 40% and if my product costs 72 cents to make then my sale price must be a dollar plus the profit I hope to make. On the other hand, a business in Ireland with its 12% business tax could sell the same product for 82 cents plus profit. Thus the same product could be delivered 18 cents cheaper by a business in Ireland than one in the US. You claim that it doesn't matter. Can you explain why this won't matter to a consumer in say China?

If it does matter then what would you advise that client?

Don Juan, Actually are wrong
about the chart. There is in fact some pretty compelling statistical evidence of the correlation between tax rates and GDP Growth. That evidence is far more compelling than, say, the statistics behind global warming.

As you are a whiz in the field I'm sure you know the area of study about which I speak. What is your analysis of this economic work?

Don Juan, A Limit?
Why didn't I think of that? Instead of a $700B bailout of the housing market let us raise the tax on a gallon of gasoline to say $50.

We all know that consumers can't pay $50 per gallon of gas and therefore Big Oil will have to absorb the difference. Let us assume that the most that a consumer can pay is $5 per gallon. We've thus taxed Big Oil $45 per gallon. All of our financial problems are solved. Shucks we can even rebate the $5 to consumers so they can buy even more gasoline. This is super.

What a concept.

Gotta Give the Lion His Share
The dem strategy is to write off 5 out of every 100 voters - they're playing a mindless numbers game.
My Dentist has 3 assistants. He's likely in the top bracket. If the govt goes after him - he has to take it out on his staff and customers.

McCain has no credibility.
When he endorsed that bailout, he was necessarily endorsing a tax INCREASE. He has no credibility on taxes or the economy generally.

Palin / Energy
T. Boone Pickins said Paline "gets it" when it comes to the energy crisis. Turn Sarah Palin loose on the battle ground states and also the states where future energy will come from and let her go to work on explaining to the American public how developing American energy will create American jobs and American wealth. Have her do a townhall meeting every day until the election and people will start understand that this issue will have a HUGE impact on the economy over the next 5 years.

don juan (re elko/yachts)
So DJ assumes that since those rich people stopped buying yachts, "since the money had to go somewhere" you assume it went to poor people.
Sorry, that's just mind boggling - whatever would make you think THAT???
(No wonder obama has such an easy time foolin' people).


Plus, dissing a person's place of residence is really smallminded. I don't call people names on here, but several come to mind for you.

Tax cuts by Obama
"I've worked harder then I ever have to get those middle class tax cuts but we just cant afford it right now."

That from the guy who proclaimed the worst economy in 50 years in the 92 campaign.

I suspect that now with the worst economy in 100 years 95 percent of the population will not be seeing this middle class tax cut either.

AmWoman
You made an interesting point about people with employer backed health insurance driving up health costs. And you are right. For office visits, people are paying a few bucks out of their own pocket. Their insurance companies are paying big bucks.
"Insurance" is supposed to be something that kicks in to protect you against nasty surprises (catastrophic events). Not to cover an office visit for your sniffles.
A friend of mind recently observed that she's never had so many MRI's as since she turned 65 and went on medicare. She said every time she gets a twinge, she gets an MRI. So who's makin' money on that? Medicare is unsustainable, and the next meltdown will be not too far down the road when the baby boom turns 65...
It's the same problem as the mortgage crisis. The people spending the money have nothing at risk. It just gets passed up the line.

ON topic
Taxes are not the winning argument. Obama has already convinced people that he will cut THEIR taxes. THey don't care whose will be raised to pay for it.
But if forced to talk about taxes, he should instead
a) focus on SPENDING, and obama's trillion bucks worth of proposals for same, and that it would be done with taxes he's conveniently failing to mention that would hit everyone.
b) ask him point blank whether he thinks that when he increases taxes on a business, that business will just eat the cost, or will they pass it on to consumers, and/or cut jobs.

Instead of accusing obama of voting not to fund the troops (because he just counters with the fact that McCain voted no on another version of the bill, the one with the timeline), he should point out that obama has pushed consistently for a timeline for withdrawal, and that is tantamount to telling the enemy "we're leaving the battleground at 5pm- you can have it after that".

I wonder if he should ask him about trying to make a deal with al-Maliki not to negotiate with the current president.


Finally, I wish McCain would say
I don't like to hear America dissed. I fought for and love our flag and this country, and yes, we want to reform government, but that to call America mean spirited is not only wrong but offensive. To go abroad and apologize for America is offensive. Americans are the only people in history who have given their own blood and treasure for the freedom of others, and I'm sick of heaing you tear her down, Mr. Obama.


1000 check, or a job ?
Would Americans rather have 1000 dollar check or have a job, and a future, because according to every major economist, the OBAMA PLAN of a thousand dollar check in one hand while raising taxes and increasing spending with the other will send country into a financial meltdown not seen since The Great Depression.
So 33% of Americans who pay NO taxes at all and contribute nothing to the Tax Poole will still receive a check for a thousand dollars.
Thats not a tax cut thats a SPENDING PLAN! The same kind of giveaway spending that ACORN and their former employee and current associate Sen. Obama have been perpetuating on the American people for over a decade.
When Obama and ACORN exert their full measure on this country, as was witnessed last week when Obama and the Democrats, Pelosi and Reid slipped a huge perk for ACORN into the Bailout Bill, our life savings, our homes, and our future will only be a memory.

The simple truth
is that Sen Biden believes that his plan for raising taxes will not hurt small businesses. What defines a small business? How about one that employs 20 people year-round in construction, health ins. included? That business makes over 200 G's per year and would be the target of Obama/Biden's tax increase. I cannot vote for this ignorance and espousing of class warfare.

Obama Will Lower Your Taxes
I agree that the candidates should talk about their tax policies. If you make less tan $250K per year, you will pay LOWER taxes under Obama's plan than under McCain's. McCain's plan is just more of same failed policy of giving money to the rich (like all the former CEOs and lobbyists who make of McCain's cadre of advisors) and taking from the middle class. Our current crisis proves that this system doesn't work.

"FAIRNESS"
Palin missed a perfect opportunity in her debate with Biden Thursday night. When Biden said that raising taxes on the rich was "the FAIR thing " to do, she should have returned with "Straight out of the Communist Manifesto--'To each according to his abilities--From each according to his means'"

Eleanor
How can you be so foolish with your standard Democrat talking points? Nothing in the Bush policies gives money to the rich. They have to earn it or steal it. You wory about the McCain advisors earning too much. Then we have the Obama advisors like Jim Johnson and Howard Raines who mismanaged and ripped off Fannie Mae for about $100 million. Do you think that they would make good, trustworthy advisors??
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