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Monday, October 08, 2007
Carrie Lukas :: Townhall.com Columnist
Answering Media Matters: A Real Time-Line of the "Phony Soldiers" Controversy
by Carrie Lukas
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Media Matters has criticized me for my recent comments about Rush Limbaugh’s so-called “phony soldier” statement. On the Fox News Channel, I said that “about 30 seconds” after Rush used the term “phony soldier” he began talking about Jesse MacBeth (the war critic who lied about his military record). According to Media Matters, it is actually one minute and fifty seconds later: I was off by eighty seconds.

This hardly seems a critical distinction. If it wasn’t completely clear who Rush was referring to when he used the initial phrase, it became clear shortly thereafter. I hadn’t timed the lapse between the “phony soldier” term and the start of his next “Jesse MacBeth” statement—in the midst of a heated conversation, I used the term “thirty seconds” when what I really meant was “a short period of time later.” However in hindsight, given Media Matters’ increasingly desperate efforts to save face, I ought to have been more precise.

So let’s get more precise, because there is far more to the timeline of the “phony soldier” term than just these noted calls to Limbaugh’s program.

On Wednesday, September 24th, Rush Limbaugh recorded his Morning Update, which aired the following morning. He talked about how the antiwar left had made another celebrity of "Army Ranger" Jesse MacBeth, who claimed to have witnessed gruesome atrocities committed by American soldiers in Iraq. It turned out that MacBeth wasn’t really an army ranger, and has since been sentenced for falsifying his Army records. [The Morning Update] Also, on the evening of September 24th, ABC's World News with Charles Gibson [video] aired a package on military imposters, which used the phrase “phony heroes” three times and “phonies” once, and specifically discussed Jesse MacBeth. [link

The day after that “morning update” on Jesse MacBeth aired, Rush took a call from "Mike in Chicago," [transcript] during the second hour of his show. Mike repeatedly claimed to be a Republican, and mentioned in passing that he used to be in the military. With regard to his claim to be Republican, Rush said, “You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican... the limitations that you want to oppose–impose–here are senseless, and they frankly betray or portray no evidence that you are a Republican.” He then took a call from, “Another Mike. This one in Olympia, Washington.” [transcript] This caller was in the military, and referred to those who want us to just pull out of Iraq in order to keep the troops safe, ignoring the chaos which would require troops to return again. That led to the following exchange:

Rush: It's not possible intellectually to follow these people.

Caller: No, it's not. And what's really funny is that they never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue –

Rush: The phony soldiers.

Caller: Phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.

The caller then digressed into a discussion of the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Byron York reports that Rush explains that during the rest of that call, he asked a staff member to print out the previous morning’s “Morning Update” on phony soldiers. And as soon as the call was concluded, Rush immediately returned to his phony soldiers comment to reprise “the morning update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes.”

The next day (September 27th), Media Matters announced on its website “Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq ‘phony soldiers,’” and cited the brief portion of the transcript where the “phony soldiers” comment was made, ignoring his comments less than two minutes later on phony soldiers and the Morning Update from September 25. A few hours later, Democrats begin denouncing Rush based on Media Matters’ characterization of his comments.

By October 1st, Democrats were in full attack mode. There are numerous examples of irresponsible attacks on Rush—a private citizen, not a politician or political action group—but Senator Harkin’s stands out: [transcript] “I find it offensive that Rush Limbaugh, who never put on the uniform of this country, would attack the patriotism and the dedication of any soldier fighting in Iraq….What's most despicable is that Rush Limbaugh says these provocative things to make more money. So he castigates our soldiers. This makes more news…maybe he was just high on his drugs again.”

It is important contextually to know that it wasn’t only after, but before the “phony soldier” comment, that Rush was discussing phony soldiers who falsify their military records and so was the rest of the media. Yet Media Matters has ignored this evidence. It also has ignored Limbaugh’s explanation of what he was saying and his long record of respecting members of the U.S. military, including those who disagree with him.

Surely Media Matters recognizes that at most, it might initially have been unclear to whom Rush was referring when he first used the term “phony soldiers.” Yet a review of the evidence strongly suggests Rush was thinking specifically of soldiers (such as MacBeth) who falsify their records. Certainly nowhere does Limbaugh state that “phony” refers to service members who support U.S. withdrawal—a strained interpretation that Media Matters presents as hard fact. I suspect it’s precisely because Media Matters knows their assertion has so little merit that they are making an issue over a few dozen seconds in the timeline. If these seconds are critical to their case, then clearly they don’t have one.

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What about the good ole consitution
What happened to the constitution that protects free speech and prohibits congress from taking action against private citizens?

Did anyone notice the senate resolution regarding Petraeus did not mention moveon.org nor did it take any action. It was a vote of confidence for General Petraeus.

The Senate wrote a letter (taking action) naming a private citizen by name (Rush Limbaugh). They wrote his employer and they wrote some of his sponsors.

What no one seems to have a problem with this.

What happened to the idea of a private citizen being free from government actions because of their speech?

http://www.standwithrush.com and stand with the constitution.

Ben Franklin
(co-author constitution)

Comments above are typical
Reading the Media Matters types on this is like talking to a two year old. Petulant assertions backed up by nothing more than a desire to be right. It's truly remarkable coming from adults. Brob above writes: "No, it was very clear who he was refering to. "

Very clear? Limbaugh didn't name anyone specific, went on to talk about someone ABC News had just called a "phony soldier," and has never previously challenged the status of members of the military who disagree with him -- but yet it's very clear? Folks, Brob just isn't being honest here, or he's a little short in the brainpower department. Feel free to have your own interpretation, but "very clear"? Puh-lease.

"The problem is, his own words, quoted back IN CONTEXT damn him." Again, assertion and then -- nothing. Damn him how? I thought the article above set out some solid facts to support its conclusion. Brob's little "No you're wrong, wrong, WRONG!" style of argument just doesn't quite persuade. I think someone needs a time out.


Brob..
Did you even try to read the transcript? It's a rhetorical question. I know you didn't. Your idiotic post betrays your laziness and ignorance.

Incoherent rambling "R" Us

What is with these trolls who constantly post here? I don't mind a good debate, but not with people with a 10 second attention span.
It would be lovely to have heard the radio show,or have read the ORIGINAL transcript.
I did, and my hearing,eyesight and comprehension skills are just fine.

At least have some core beliefs that you adhere to.
One minute our soldiers are called "baby killers" and moveover.org is trashing a 4 star general. Now it's "oooh Rush is trashing our soldiers". Huh?
Look at their line-up! I am excluding Senator Obama, for he seems to have a modicum of character.
They are left with a couple of aging hookers looking for 4 more years of free rent, and a personal injury lawyer who got his butt kicked the last time.

Rush has nothing but the highest regard
... for those that really serve and served in the military. He has a track record of almost two decades of unqualified support. Being a lone voice in the wilderness for that long gives him some credibility on the issue.

Also, he has people call all the time claiming to be Republicans or " I voted for Bush" but are now disaffected and are going to vote Democratic. He calls them "seminar callers". Listening to the call from the first "Mike" claiming to be a Republican and ardent supporter of the troops, but then spouting off all the Democrat anti war talking points deserved to be challenged. Which is what Rush did. Anybody can call the show and claim to be something, but their words tell who they really are and what they really support.

Is it even an important question?
I personally don’t like the Rush Limbaugh show. I find it neither informative nor entertaining. I will listen to a variety of other talk show hosts or music instead of Rush when I can. However, he does have a large following so obviously some people like him. That is freedom of speech and free market economies, if you don’t like it or are offended don’t listen. As a Soldier currently deployed I could less about what he said. I did read the transcripts and as Ms Lucas points out I do not believe he was referring to troops in Iraq. However, he could certainly clear the air and put his critics at bay by saying unequivocally “Soldiers, Airman, Navy and Marine troops that are serving honorably in war time AND do not agree with the US presence there are real soldiers.” or words to that effect. However I don’t believe he will do this because I believe the controversy only heightens his ratings. Again since I don’t listen to his show he may already have stated this, and even if he did I still wouldn’t listen.

This is just
another example of how corrupt the Democratic Party has become. Everybody knows what Media Matters is. What is significant is that the leaders of the Democratic Party would disgrace themselves in Congress with their slanderous statements.


Harkin knows very well that he is a liar. The Democrats know that this is a filthy lie. They don't care. They have no decency, and I suspect that they are turning off some Democrats. Not the kind of mutts who post here, but sane people who are Democrats. I think that there is a very good chance that they will not win the White House in 2008.


Rush is a blowhard
Having said that, this liberal Democract supports his right to call anybody he wants anything he wants even if it offends! I doubt if all you Republicans would be defending him so passionately, if he said something you considered derogatory about Christianity or Jesus or "GASP" the troops! The real test of Freedom of Speech is when you tolerate even the most offensive language-even MoveOn.Org's right to offend.

A lefty tells the truth?? Pt. 1
Copied and pasted here from the Ksathryn Lopez column/thread of last Saturday.
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CharlieS writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 7:39 AM
A lefty tells the truth?? Pt. 1
I don't know how many here might have listened to Rush yesterday(Friday, 10-5-07), but he had a segment about Hal Donohues favorite Veterans Group, "VoteVets.org"

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_100507/content/ 01125106.guest.html

"VoteVets Spokesman Admits Their Attack Is Not About What Rush Said"

Last night on the Rusty Humphries Show, which airs nine to midnight Eastern time, he had as his guest the vice chair of VoteVets.org, which is the group running these ads and getting this phony soldier smear ginned up, and I've got two bites here. The guy's name is Brandon Friedman, and Rusty Humphries says, "Why are you doing this, honestly? What is your reasoning behind this?"

FRIEDMAN: The problem I have with Rush Limbaugh is that he enables policy makers who have gotten our country into a lot of trouble. We're in a lot of trouble. I mean, we've got some serious problems with Islamic extremism globally, and we can't address those problems correctly --

HUMPHRIES: Why?

FRIEDMAN: -- because we're bogged down in another country's religious civil war.

HUMPHRIES: Okay, so it's not what Rush said, it's who Rush supports, and because he helped get them elected, he needs to be taken down, is that --

FRIEDMAN: No, it's a pattern of what he does. I mean, this guy has a voice, and he affects people.

HUMPHRIES: Right.

RUSH: There you have it. The guy, ladies and gentlemen, a leading spokesman for VoteVets.org admitting publicly that the reason the liberal hit squad is attacking me is because they don't agree with my position on the war and that I'm influential.

A lefty tells the truth?? Pt. 2
Copied and pasted here from the Ksathryn Lopez column/thread of last Saturday. Part 2
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CharlieS writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 7:42 AM

A lefty tells the truth?? Pt. 2

In otherwords, VoteVets.org is behind the lies against Rush in order to get him off of the Armed Forces Radio network.

So the next time Little Hal starts plugging this wonderful group of "Patriotic" Veterans, let's all remind him of how patriotic they really are. ADMITTEDLY deliberately spreading lies against Rush to get him off the air in general, and Armed Forces Radio to be specific.

Another fine example of how Democrats and Leftists are all for "Freedom of Speech" asd long as it's THEIR speech we're free to hear.

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As another poster that day commented to Charlie,
Doc writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 8:35 AM
CharlieS
FRIEDMAN: No, it's a pattern of what he does. I mean, this guy has a voice, and he affects people.

In that piece, this guy got one thing wrong. Rush is a voice for those who do not have one in radio THAT is why they hate him! It is a fact Rush has his own opinion, but he really is a voice who says what ALOT of people are thinking! All the "dittoheads" pretty much agree with Rush and the fact is, he is just good at it (making the libs spit and drool) He also gets paid well for it. I say good for him. Now people like white flag reid are a different story. He is just a kook with TO MUCH power. That is the guy that needs a muzzle!
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In addition to the fact that VoteVets has been exposed by their own admissions as being out to get Rush, no matter what it takes(including making up the "Phony Soldiers" scandal), I totally agree with the overall conclusions of both Charlie and Doc. The libs hate Rush because he speaks for a lot of poeple who don't have the voice that he does.

Further proof
That the left is out to silence Rush.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_100807/content/ 01125108.guest.html

Rep. Waxman Assigns Committee Investigators to Monitor Rush

October 8, 2007

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT


RUSH: From the American Spectator today, their column is entitled The Prowler. "The Democrat Party senior leadership is feeling a Rush. Rush Limbaugh, that is. Late last week, DNC Chair Howard Dean, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, his deputy, Sen. Dick Durbin and Senatorial Committee chair, Sen. Chuck Schumer, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi all signed off in some form or another direct mail fundraising plans that will feature Limbaugh for their national party. '"Don't let Limbaugh smear true patriotism," that's the theme,' says a DNC staffer. 'We're not going to let

Related links to back this up:
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12128

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10072007/postopinion/opedcolumn ists/bum_rush.htm

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22711

If that's not enough to prove the case against Rush is trumped up as part of a Democrat party plot to silence him, you're deliberately ignorant of reality.
And probably a member of that fine "Patriotic" group, VoteVets, to boot. Right Hal?

plain & simple
The Socialist Stalinistic Liberals are try to take total control & allow NO one freedom of speech unless that speech agrees with their pursuit of Socialism.

And that is an absolute fact. It is also a call for a civil war. It must not be allowed to happen.

The Point of the Attack
The liberals have two objectives here. The first is to try and draw attention away from their own lack of support for the troops in Iraq and defense of the nation in general. The second is a campaign to silence Limbaugh. Attacking him on this issue is part of an ongoing effort to impose the Fairness Doctrine and bring their brand of balance to talk radio.

An alternative to the standard socialist line is available to millions of people and this can not be tolerated. Radio networks such as Air America have been unable to draw an audience and the Dems see this as unfair. They see Limbaugh as an evil force standing in the way of the creation of a more just society. The truth is that the justice they seek to impose is the same justice wrought by Stalin and every other collectivist dictator.

Deep in their souls what they really would like to do is silence Rush permanently. If they had the power to do so he and anyone else that spoke out against what they are atempting to do would go in an unmarked grave. If you don't understand that then you are ignorant of history and of human nature.

All
Got to my blog and read the scoop.
I have updated this several times. And the interpretation of others will astound you. I listened that show live!!! and the VoteVets.org guy, Brian McGough who put out an ad lambasting Rush says that the transcript was doctored!! NOT!!!He says Media matters has it correct and Rush was trying to save his sorry asss. I then took it upon myself to go question the kid myself at his blog when he questioned Rush's support. The kid is basically saying it's Rush's fault that his support only slams democrats and doesn't talk about what's important-ie...PTSD, Walter Reed's lousy health care among other things. The bottom line is Rush's support for the troops means nothing because as big as his voice is he should be talking about these things and not bullying (that word comes up alot) those who disagree with him...What about his anti-war constituents???? Rush is a private citizen!!! If he has that much power, he should run for office!

The Red Tide Is Coming
Like Rush says, these are Stalinists who are trying to silence all critics any way they can. They will use the Fairness Doctrine or any weapon or strategy that comes to mind.
Be very afraid.

ALL
Check my blog for part two of the delving into the childlike mind of the Liberal/Socialist.


pandm
YOU need to check my blog for some insight into the mind of the lib/soc. Got to know your enemy for the coming civil war and I agree, it's coming.

Voices In The Wilderness..
Even in the days of John The Baptist and Jesus, common people who said anything that might upset the power of the perceived rulers were silenced.

Very few publicly stood against them..these were those that were so well liked that the rulers knew that the only way to destroy them was to manipulate their character and promote lies about them.

Defining Question
Americans can now be divided into those who assert that RL called soldiers that disagree with the War "Phonies" and those that know he did not.

What he doesn't say is more telling...
Regardless of whether you take the Media Matters side in this or the Rush side, this could have been cleared up by ole' Viagraman pretty darn quick. As one poster here has already said, all he has to do is set the record straight by saying "everyone who serves, regardless of their opinion on the Iraq war or their political beliefs, is a real soldier". Or words to that effect. But he hasn't or he won't.

Which begs the question - does he in fact believe that? Does he indeed believe that any soldier who doesn't agree with his take on Iraq or politics is in fact a phony soldier? Or does he know that saying nothing boosts his ratings and panders to the "poor little (erm, not that little) conservative victim" nonsense? Perhaps he knows that by saying something like that he can't have a pop at the likes of Murtha or Kerry any more.

His silence and his refusal to clarify his words is far more telling than anything he might or mght not have said before.

Phony Soldiers
One thing Rush didnt lie about was PHONY SOLDIERS. If you go to your Local all you have to do is speak of NAM and you get alot of people talking about being their and how they would be fighting this war now. Well the only problem is they are PHONY SOLDIERS, I ask the young gentlemen where he was stationed at in Nam because I was there and he came up with the best PHONY SOLDIER statement, If I Told Ya I would Have to KILL ya. Turns out the man was on 35 yrs old and verily born when Nam was going on. There is allot of PHONY Soldiers out there so it isnt hard to find them. Rush's audience already knows the truth so it dont matter to him. The troops know who supports them. It sure isnt the DEM Party. I hope the DEMS are ready when the Elections come around because thats when Rush will do his thing. I wonder if there is any difference between PHONY SOLDIERS abd PHONY MEDIA. NO SIREEEE/ NYTIMES best one for this.

Grossed out....
By all these screaming, illiterate liberals. I was listening to the show that morning, and I have since gone back to see what they're up in arms about.
I've come to the conclusion that liberalism is truly a mental disorder. It keeps a person from being a rational, functional individual in society.
Hence, why they spend so much time on line in a make believe world they create to make themselves feel like a god.
It's their fantasy, we must stay out of it.

Test Questions
GunnyG:

Took your test... scored 100. Nice Site!

Brown journalism of MediaMatters
Rush has 15 hours a week on the radio, plus his updates. His show is continuous from day to day and not sound-bites [or day only events], which leads to the issue of context. M-M is just an anti-truth...hit squad that edits for point of view...theirs.

Debating the irrational process they choose to use to 'make news', throw in their political objectives and you get the brown version of journalism they dump on the public at fact.

Exposing them is sufficient. Debating them just confuses, since somewhere you have to have a premise...and it will always sound like rationalizing a defense. Better, in my opinion to call them the poop crowd and smash pie them in the face and leave. Debate is irrational when one party is irrational.

Rush thinks this is a hoot anyway and he has all that airtime...which they don't...to make fools out of them. They have awaken the lion of the airwaves...real dumb. A real tactical error going after a guy with a loyal audience.

What is the saying about wrestling a pig? Well, that 'pig' is Media Matters and Hillary who helped initiate the hit squad. Media Matters is a diversion that keeps us from focusing on the real problem: HILLARY. Even now she arrogantly brings back a felon, Sandy Burglar, and flaunts him in front of America...in your face. Back to the pig problem.

Col DOUG

I ask one question.
How many of the people who claim to KNOW what Rush really said actually heard the show as it was on? I hear so many people here say that they don't waste their time LISTENING to Rush and then say they KNOW what was said. If you didn't actually hear the program as it aired, you don't know what he said! I did hear the program and he definatly WAS talking about that scum Jessie.

My two cents (and worth it)
Whoa, lots of sharks in the water just now. Guess I'll dip my toes in anyway.

First of all, thanks, Carrie Lucas. I was hoping for one more discussion before this issue goes to the archives.

I don't know if anyone here read the recent Bryon York article on the subject, but after reading it, I stand convinced that Mr. Limbaugh was in fact thinking of actual phoney soldiers when he said the phrase. It was the subject of the previous day's broadcast, he brought it up again after that caller was done, it was definitely on his mind.

The thing of it is, I don't see how that lets him off the hook. The caller said "They never talk to real soldiers." (I'm not entirely sure who "they" refered to. I think he meant Democrats, although he may have been including the "liberally-biased" media). In other words, the only soldiers "they"'ve talked to are not real. Limbaugh agreed, saying "The phoney soldiers." So, either Limbaugh (and the caller)were really saying that anyone who speaks out against the war (including the folks at votevets.org and the writers, from the 82nd Airborne, of the August 19 editorial in the NYT) is a phoney soldier like Jesse Macbeth, or they've just never heard of anyone that has ever spoken out, aside from the phoney soldiers. So either he really is a dissent-quashing, soldier-insulting jerk, or he's just woefully mis-informed for a national conservative radio icon.

Now, if he had said, "Like the phoney soldiers," or "The phoney soldiers, for example," this would be a non-issue, becaus it would have obvious that he wasn't smearing all dissenting soldiers. Media Matters might have brought it up in an article, but it would have had no traction. It's possible he meant to say "like" or "for example" and just misspoke, but Limbaugh has had ample time to explain if that was the case, and I don't believe he ever has.

Erynn
I'm covering the psyche of the liberal/socialist child in my 5 part series. Hint: Bottom line is that ENVY drives their train!

Critical Bill (aka Uninformed Bill)
Critical Bill Writes:

Regardless of whether you take the Media Matters side in this or the Rush side, this could have been cleared up by ole' Viagraman pretty darn quick. As one poster here has already said, all he has to do is set the record straight by saying "everyone who serves, regardless of their opinion on the Iraq war or their political beliefs, is a real soldier". Or words to that effect. But he hasn't or he won't.

RL has done exactly what you claim he has not! He has in FACT stated almost verbatum that everyone who serves, regardles of their opinion is a real soldier. IN FACT he has said this repeatedly! I can only wonder why CB does not know this!

Two more cents
In additon, Limbaugh said in a later broadcast (Sept. 28) that Rep. John Murtha was also a "phoney soldier," citing his denunciation of the Marines involved in the Haditha incident before all the facts were in. I agree that Murtha went too far there, but did he lie about his service record? If so, why didn't Limbaugh say so? Because it sounds like he called him a phoney soldier based on what he said about the war in Iraq and not standing with his fellow soldiers. So, is a phoney soldier one who lies about his service, or is it someone who disagrees?

eastlake joe
I read the transcript from Media Matters first, but I have also read the entire transcript from Rush Limbaugh's website. Media Matters omitted the later part of it in the first article, but in subsequent articles, after Limbaugh cited that part in his explanation, they include the whole thing.

Ron
Do you a transcript or link for that, by any chance?

I have a queston...
So much is being written about this issue...but no one...NO ONE...has taken on the issue of Hillary Clintons PHONEY and despicable lying ad about her being at ground zero on that evil day.
She was NOT ANYWHERE near Manhattan on 9/11. She is the filthy, phony liar.....

ron
If you can provide me with a link where he clarifies his phony soldiers statement or says what you say he has said, then I'm happy to take what I wrote back. I haven't seen any such statement since this controversy broke. So over to you... and if you can come up with a transcript or statement I will happily pass it on to Media Matters...

Context
I've lisened to Rush Limbaugh for many years. He has always been extremely supportive of American soldiers and of America's need for a strong, effective military.

His "phony soldiers" comment is not indicative of his patriotism; it has been spun by the Socialist-Democrats to be something out of character for Rush.

The S-D's have made it a cottage industry to smear right-wing radio talk show hosts. Rush is the best of the genre and the S-D's will stop at nothing to slander him.

It's part and parcel of the S-D's strategy to de-legitimize this country and insert a socialist form of government.

Smear, smear, smear
Considering that liberal Democrats have often engaged in slandering our troops, this congressional slam at Rush Limbaugh is the pinnacle of hypocrisy. Even if Rush implied what his accusers claim, Americans in general and liberal Democrats in particular, should be supporting his right to speak his mind. But they are not. They are about silencing someone who speaks out against them. Bottom line, this is a smear campaign, which has become all too familiar from the liberal left.

From The horse's mouth
All:

For those of you needing a link. Simply go here.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com

Then sign up as a member for a month. A little over $6.00 as I rermember. Then go into the archives and hear exactly what was said when.

A small price to pay to become informed. You can cancel immediately afterwards if so inclined.

Smear campaign? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Oh yes, poor little tubby junkie Rush is being smeared. Oh, the poor little lamb!!! I am wiping the tears from my eyes as I write, just thinking about the smear on his good character...!!! Get over yourselves - Rush should either make a statement clarifying his words or admit that Media Matters got it right. But to cry foul over smearing, when the right practically invented it, is just hilarious. And pathetic.

Frey
ABSCAM Murtha, like Hanoi John Fonda-Kerry aka Lurch lied to another Congressman who then exposed the fraud.

=======================
Is Murtha the real deal? Would a real Marine who's "been there" would prejudge combat troops prior to the release of a military inquiry?

That was the moment when I woke up and said, "Hey, I'm going to check this guy out."

And what did I find? Did I find a man of vast operational experience with an extensive combat record? No. I found a man whom fellow congressman Don Bailey of Pennsylvania, Silver Star and three Bronze Stars, calls Murtha a liar and a phony. A man who came to Bailey crying and sobbing, thanking him for saving Murtha from the ethics committee (on ABSCAM-related charges) at which time he admitted to Bailey that his Purple Hearts weren't earned.

I found a man with a couple of years of active duty, and the rest of his 37-year career spent in the Marine Corps Reserve.

I found a man who served in the Marines during Korean War, yes, but somehow never actually made it to Korea.

I found a man with one year in Vietnam, not up front but in the rear area, as a staff intelligence offer. (A REMF!)

Murtha is as phony as LBJ's Bronze Star award in WW2.

Critical Bill
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com. Rush posted the entire reference stream to the 'phony soldiers story' which started many days before M-M's cut and paste brown journalism piece.

You need to do your own research...or not. I think you prefer..not.

M-M is informed. This is their politics here, not real journalism. Rush is eating them alive.

Your Welcome

Col. DOUG

DavidMac
Rush has visited the troops in Iraq on two separate trips I believe and donated to the USO and the Fisher House.

I wonder how many trips to Iraq Chappaquiddick Teddy has made!

Rush supports the troops far more than the leftists do and he'll bag em and tag em come election time.

redsand
That rat-looking mook Waxman is investigating and monitoring Rush, which I find laughable. He should be careful that Rush doesn't investigate him and then air it!

Ron / Doug
If you are both members of Rush's website, you can go into it and copy and paste his statement clarifying his phony soldiers statement. As you have both indicated, he has indeed clarified his words and said, in as many words, that al soldiers are real regardless of this views on Iraq or political beliefs. Surely, in the spirit of clearing Rush's good name, you can just pop on to his website for us, post what he said, and clear this matter up once and for all????

The liberals
posting on TH are simply diseased.
They lie & lie and i don't think they have the brain power to even realize their sickness.
I pity them & abhor their "leaders" for infesting these otherwise innocent people.

The Truth Doesn't Matter
It really doesn't matter to the Dems and their goon squads (Media Matters, et al) what Rush said or meant. We are witnessing the beginning of a campaign to demonize and discredit conservative talk radio that will intensify leading up to the 2008 election.

Henry Waxman has said that his goons will begin investigating Rush and other talk hosts like Hannity. The goal is to stifle the conservative message and eventually eliminate it altogether.

I wonder if Waxman's investigation will include actually listening to the broadcasts before busting kneecaps.

Sieg Heil !!!

A real warrior
The kind our resident child exhorts, can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7563930@N03/439124339/


Two more cents
Frey writes:

Limbaugh said in a later broadcast (Sept. 28) that Rep. John Murtha was also a "phony soldier," citing his denunciation of the Marines involved in the Haditha incident before all the facts were in. I agree that Murtha went too far there, but did he lie about his service record? If so, why didn't Limbaugh say so? Because it sounds like he called him a phony soldier based on what he said about the war in Iraq and not standing with his fellow soldiers. So, is a phony soldier one who lies about his service, or is it someone who disagrees?


I haven't listened to the Sept 28 broadcast for myself, so if I assume for the moment you are correct about what RL said. I am glad however, that you also believe that Rep Murtha "Went too far there" when he denounced the Haditha Soldiers. I would characterize it borderline treason though!


At least I can follow your logic here and see your point! But we are talking Murtha here!

GunnyG
You are right on the money about that phony piece of socialist dog sh1t, Murtha.

Murtha wasn't a grunt or even in combat support. He was, as you say, a REMF. People like Kerry and Murtha have presented themselves as "American war heroes" because the Socialist-Democrats want propaganda from combat veterans.

The truth is that Kerry and Murtha are socialists, posing as combat veterans, claiming to support American soldiers but actually denigrating them. The Swifties outed Kerry effectively; someone needs to show Murtha for the lying jerk he really is.

Murtha and Kerry are the real "phony soldiers".

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7563930@N03
Funny! However if you look CLOSELY you can see that there is no magazine in the weapon and the weapon is on safe. Still might be one in the chamber though. Can you say cook-off!

minky
Boortz nailed this when Err America when under. Since the liberals can't compete in the free market (no one but idiots buy their socialist agenda) they'll work overtime to slap the "Fairness Doctrine" on us.

Funny how they're not requesting the F-D be applied for the NYT/moveon.org scam.

Critical Bill
You won't do your own research...ha ha. I knew it. Well Critical Bill, grow up and learn how.

I don't have to defend Rush and if you can't find Rush's web site...oh well.

Col. DOUG

Ron
I'm really looking forward to the outcome of Murtha getting sued! That Marine is kicking ABSCAM to the curb. What's more funny is that the consensus among Marines is, F Murtha!

Bailey's Ltr
to Murtha can be found here. Congressman Bailey (D) takes ABSCAM to task here.

Sign the 180 ABSCAM John and HANOI John!

http://www.politicspa.com/FEATURES/baileylttomurtha.htm


Frey
Critical Bill writes:

Ron/Doug
Surely, in the spirit of clearing Rush's good name, you can just pop on to his website for us, post what he said, and clear this matter up once and for all????

I am not motivated by clearing up RL's good name but in getting the facts straight. Come on you can't be Liberal AND cheap! Spend the money, do your OWN homework. The reason you believe as you do is presicely BECAUSE you let others do the work for you and you believe them. I don't think the truth would change your mind at this point and I would have just wasted my time.

Definition of a soldier
One thing that has been lost to this "Me First" generation is the place and attitude of the active duty soldier. After taking the oath (Something I did in the Navy), a soldier has no business being critical of the commands of any of his or her superior officers, all the way up to the Commander-in-Chief. Any active duty soldier publicly criticizing the war in Iraq is violating his or her oath to respect the chain of command. That does not mean that soldiers must offer public support! They are charged with the simple duty of carrying out orders.

Before the Loonies even start, the war in Iraq is not illegal. It is not even a war as there is no recognized government with which we are conducting this conflict. Just because most of the left have called our involvement in Iraq illegal does not make it so. One could argue that we should not have gone to war but there is no case to be made for the conflict being illegal.

Minky post @9:14AM
I was going to mention something about that but you beat me to the punch. Good post nonetheless.

Doug
He's like HalD, asking question after question after question, and you provide source after source to no avail.

Ignoring the Soros trolls is the best bet. Then, they don't get any of Sugar Daddy's dough!

Great post at 8:22AM

Doug
Just as I thought, no such statement clarifying Rush's position exists. You're making it up. If you claim that he has clarified himself, it's up to you to prove it. But you can't and then blame me for not wanting to spend $6 on joining his website. I'd rather open my wrists with my teeth than give him a nickel. I repeat - so far Limbaugh has made no attempt to clarify his views on those who are serving in Iraq, particuarly those who disagree with him and the Republican party. He could stop this straight away, but he won't. What does that tell you?

Critical Bill
Doug:

You can lead a horse to water....

Ron / Doug
Prove me wrong and I'll take back everything I've written. Come on, here's a chance for you to get one over on this liberal. It's soooooo easy - just find Rush's statement clarifying his position, and you win!! Couldn't be easier!! Only no such statement exists, does it?

Trolls
Quiet now,the grow-ups are talking.

the nyc dog
I'm so glad you conceded defeat. GunnyG beat you so don't be so sad.

P.S. there is treatment for you in the kennel.

Much adeiu . . .
The transcript doesn't do this incident justice. I heard this live, and I replayed it from mp3. Limbaugh simply utters the words "phoney soldiers"; as a throw away line in a conversation.

Is it ambiguous?

Of course. It's 2 words spoken during a caller comment.

Is there any ambiguity about Limbaugh's position on this subject? - No, none. As Rush would say, "zip, zero, nada." Rush fully supports all soldiers and their right to speak openly.

But what if he didn't?

It still would not be a big deal.

Now, if a member of Congress took action attempting to limit the expression of a private citizen - That would be a big deal.

Some of you
have declared Media Matters correct on their position because you yourself actually heard the program. WELL. I heard the program and I declare them totally wrong. So, who is right? Or who is twisting words to take the focus off the Patreous ad and to do it for purely political purposes ? You on the left, convince me there was no political motivation?

Critical Bill
CB writes:

You can't blame me for not wanting to spend $6 on joining his website. I'd rather open my wrists with my teeth than give him a nickel.

Ok, since you put it that way, I’ll take the chance and provide some of what you seek.
Not trying to "Get one over on you" just trying to inform you. Starting from the assumption that you and I would agree on what the meaning of "is" is, the following excerpts, pulled from Archive transcripts, may help.


RUSH: As all of you military personnel know, I, since of beginning of time and since the beginning of this program, certainly 19 years ago, have been one of the most ardent, loyal, in-awe supporters of any and all who wear the uniform -- including those who disagree with the mission.

(About when talking to troops in Afghanistan) I stood up before them, and I said -- even to the ones who let it be known that they disagreed with me politically, not on the war, but politically -- they all wanted victory, and they all were doing their victory, and they all said they were there to protect their country. This is what they chose to do after 9/11 happened, and I stood before them and I said -- and there are a lot of people, by the way, who were thanking me and all of that. It ran the gamut. I said, "I don't care who you are. I stand before you, and I feel six inches tall. Compared to what you're doing



Have I just wasted my time?


LBJ
GUNNY G,

LBJ wore a Silver Star ribbon on his lapel. You should read the story about that. He was given the rank of Lt Cmdr in the Naval Reserve by his Commisar FDR, and forced his way on a B-26 bomber on June 9, 1942. The bomber aborted the mission, but FDR forced Gen MacArthur to give LBJ an award, so he was given the Silver Star. The crew of the aircraft have stated that LBJ was a coward.

Lock and load Gunny.

Semper Fi,

WMR

CB
...Continued from previous...

(Responding to Mr Webb’s attack) He just assumed that what he was told was true, that I called anti-war troops "phony soldiers," when everybody involved in this knows full well I was talking about one genuine convicted, lying, fake soldier, who was undermining this mission, who was doing his best to demoralize the troops. I stand up for the troops!

I was talking about a genuine phony soldier -- and, by the way, Jesse MacBeth is not the only one. How about this guy Scott Thomas who was writing fraudulent, phony things in the New Republic about atrocities he saw that never happened?

When I mentioned the term "phony soldier" -- and they all know this -- I was referring to a genuine phony soldier about whom I had informed this audience the previous day and did so again the following day.

Have I just wasted my time?

LBJ
GUNNY G,

LBJ wore a Silver Star ribbon on his lapel. You should read the story about that. He was given the rank of Lt Cmdr in the Naval Reserve by his Commisar FDR, and forced his way on a B-26 bomber on June 9, 1942. The bomber aborted the mission, but FDR forced Gen MacArthur to give LBJ an award, so he was given the Silver Star. The crew of the aircraft have stated that LBJ was a coward.

Lock and load Gunny.

Semper Fi,

WMR

crescen7
Good post.

And like Bubba Clintoon once bleated:

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say." President William Clinton addressing the people of Philadelphia, May 28, 1993 in the Courtyard, City Hall, Philadelphia, PA.

or what ALL liberal/socialists think:

"the purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people" Bill Clinton during an interview on MTV in 1993

Critical Biii
Guess what Critical Bill,

You're brain dead. Rush has on many occasions announced his support of our troops, whether they support the war, or not. You're such a maggot, coward, that you will not check it out. You, just like all of your liberal, socialist, communist maggots, are afraid of the truth. Remember the movie RED DAWN. All of you useful idiots are in for a rude awakening.

Semper Fi maggot,

WMR

Mickey
I stand corrected brother.

The entier crew of the B-26 stated that they never came under fire!

He pulled a Jon Carry in 1943! haha

Ron
Well, yes and no. Firstly, thank you for keeping my wrists in their current condition, and my bank balance. See, it wasn't that difficult was it? Firstly, the first two quotes you have posted are not a response to this current controversy. I won't claim your quotes are incorrect, I have no reason to believe they aren't. But my point is that he could nip this argument in the bud by reiterating what he believes about those in service - digging out old quotes isn't the same thing. How long would it take? Ten seconds, if that, even for that bloated wheezebag. Secondly, most of the quotes in your second posting refer to a phony soldier. But that's not what he said. He said phony soldiers, plural. It's a defence that isn't based on the charge, it twists what he said into something else to suit his own ends. The caller made no reference to people who have faked service and neither did Limbaugh. Not immediately, anyway. I happen to think that he probably was referring to fake soldiers, but he only has himself to blame for this controversy because he failed to make himself clear. That said, if that is the case I still don't see why doesn't he come out and reiterate what he thinks of service people who disagree with the iraq war and the Republican administration. Get votevets.org on his show, get Mike Webb on his show. Show some balls, basically. But of course, as we all know, even those don't work very well on Rush...

Mickey the maggot
What a charmer you are... it's no wonder the Republicans are doing so well in the polls with spokesmen like you!! Keep it going you quarter wit...

Critical Bill Rush Comments I of II
" Critical Bill writes: Tuesday, October, 09, 2007 8:38 AM
ron
If you can provide me with a link where he clarifies his phony soldiers statement or says what you say he has said, then I'm happy to take what I wrote back. I haven't seen any such statement since this controversy broke. So over to you... and if you can come up with a transcript or statement I will happily pass it on to Media Matters..."

The link was posted but you kept saying you didn't want to do the work.
i went to the site and copied a little for you...
October 1, 2007
RUSH: I want to apologize to all of the members of the United States Military, both in uniform and out, active duty and retired, for Media Matters for America. They will not apologize to you, and they will not apologize to me. I want to apologize to you on behalf of them. As all of you military personnel know, I, since of beginning of time and since the beginning of this program, certainly 19 years ago, have been one of the most ardent, loyal, in-awe supporters of any and all who wear the uniform -- including those who disagree with the mission. I found a couple of them when I was in Afghanistan on a troop visit. I went over to five base visits in Afghanistan, and did Q&A, sometimes for two hours with assembled troops at the various bases. Not all of them were happy with me in terms of my politics and so forth, but I told every damn one of them that I was in awe of them and that I wanted to come speak to them, and I purposely asked to go on this trip, and I'd been asking for a long time. This is the first time I've been granted permission.

One more to follow...

Proving His Innocence
We apparently are now using the French legal system in which one must prove ones innocence. All Rush has to do to put this to bed is prove to the libs he doesn't hate troops that speak out against the war. Have you also stopped beating your wife Mr. Limbaugh?

What Media Matters did was crank up a lie. To disagree with Rush on the issues of the day can be done rationally and honestly. To say he does not support troops in the field being able to voice whatever opinion they want is laughable.

Critical Bill Rush Comments II of II
here is another quote...
actually there is much more but i found these in 10 minutes and thought this would give you enough.

October 2, 2007
There are phony soldiers. Eight of them have been prosecuted successfully just in the state of Washington by the US Attorneys office for the western district. We have all known of these cases, and we have all known of these various phony soldiers. So does Harry Reid. So does Tom Harkin. So does MoveOn.org. Now MoveOn.org and this Vote Vets group are bringing forth some genuine heroes, wounded in battle, who disagree with the policy in Iraq and Afghanistan, telling them a bunch of lies about what I have said about them, when I have never discussed them. I have never impugned them. I have never impugned any military person who's retired or active duty, in or out of uniform, for their service to this country. Yet that is the lie and the smear that is taking place, of all places now, on the floor of the United States Senate. It's all ginned up, a lying smear by an organization founded and started by Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose job it is -- this organization, Media Matters -- to make sure that anybody gets in her way is dealt with.

Hope this clears it up...

Crescen7
Crescen7 writes:

The transcript doesn't do this incident justice.

I just joined RL24/7 the day after this issue broke and have listened live since then. I thought the archives contained transcripts or actual video/audio of all the shows for the last four weeks. I was surprised to find much of what I heard live not transcribed. I guess I'll have figure out how to download and save the broadcasts and use the transcripts to bracket me in on them when I need to.

I agree with you concerning the actions of congress in this matter. I have sent emails to my Reps that signed the letter to CC and blasted them! Unbelievable!

Actually
Rush has not been to Iraq, but he did visit the troops in Afghanistan. You can read about it on his web site.

Midwest Rube
Seems like a fairly comprehensive rebuttal. Touche. I'm man enough to admit defeat once in a while, you can't win them all. And I'll keep my word - I will send that on to Media Matters. Although I think he's bigging himself up a bit there, claiming to have supported the military since the beginning of time. Please don't tell me Limbaugh is immortal... thank you for correcting me without sounding like a major league *sshole too.

treasonous republicans
Are you ashamed that your father was your mother's brother?

As I said on my show...
(shameless plug to follow)

I don't know anyone involved in a war who likes being in it. No one. That being said, you enjoy the job because you feel like you are making a difference. Allow me to reiterate: you feel YOU are making a difference, outside the perview of dopey leaders, who are not devoid of criticism.

That being said, what Rush said could have been a lot worse where toadies like MacBeth (nee' Al-Faiz) are concerned. He's a traitor and a fraud, and that's not just me talking - that includes our jurisprudence system.

Media (Doesn't) Matter has succeeded in making the seemingly innocuous downright explosive, all because THEY say it's damaging. But I dare anyone to read their site honestly and take anything that is written in context and feel offended. I know everytime I go over there, I post "so what?" and "who cares?" so often it annoys me. But it's how I feel about MDM - they are trying hard to get Rush's own peeps to turn on him, and it would take a heckuva lot more than that.

What do you expect?
As I've pointed out again and again, leftist, by their very nature, and LITTERALLY (and NO, I'm NOT joking on this FACT) INCAPABLE of telling the truth. Ever. Walk up to any leftist (go ahead, do it right now as a test) and ask them what 2+2 is. GUARANTEED you WON'T get 4 as your answer. Maybe you'll get "BUSH LIED KIDS DIED!" or "REPUKE CONTURDS ARE GHEY!"

Just look at all the "war heroes" the leftists admire:

John Kerry - Shot himself to get out of combat as soon as possible so he could race home to lie about his fellow men-at-arms and shmooze with the enemy in France.

Wesley Clarke - Was fired by BILL CLINTON (even Clinton couldn't tollerate him) because he was so cuddley with an emeny who was torturing people we were trying to protect.

Democrats don't like the military. That is just a fact. Every single member of the military they like they like NOT because they are a member of the military, but because they espouse their anti-American views, and at the same time were in the military, so Democrats think that their military carreer somehow legitimizes their anti-Americanism. Were Benedict Arnold still alive today, they'd be congratulating his treason just as they congratulate the treason of military members today.

PeskyPurple
Good points and it's just the libscum trying to cover their marxist butts over their Gen Betray-Us.

Which, it gonna come around full circle in 08 when the GOP runs that ad over and over in the Heartland.

For Brob
Since your ability to grasp issues is simplistic and your attention span is short, I will be direct.

From the transcript of Rush's show the day in question:

"Caller: No, it's not. And what's really funny is that they never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue – "

"Rush: The phony soldiers."

Even a biased lib-bot like you can knows that Rush was referring to people the CALLER described as "soldiers that come up out of the blue..."

And the caller was saying that "soldiers who come up out of the blue" were not "real soldiers".

Only the biased, lying left media and lib-bots such as you would contend that Rush Limbaugh has "crossed the line" because he said that guys who are not "real soldiers" are "phony soldiers"

Did you even know that Jesse MacBeth was born Jesse al Zaid?

But it wouldn't be PC to consider that he is a muslim, would it? That he might be a wannabe jihadist who just made first-class chumps out of the entire lib media because they didn't do their homework before they gave this POS a worldwide platform from which to distribute his lies.

But fear not. These same lib media chumps will keep us safe from evil conservatives like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Levin.

You sap.



LOL!
Chalk this up to a dumb libturd.

http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2007/10/i-bigcitylib-will-no w-eat-bug.html

Liberals, getting dumber by the second.

Critical Bill and Midwest Rube
Media Matters already has the transcript from Oct 1. It's in one of their articles on the subject, posted the same day. Glad to see that Rush clarified his position, even if it was retroactive.

GunnyG
(I posted this over on Prager's thread too)


For anyone that listened to Rush yesterday he said Waxman has directed his staff to start going through transcripts of his, Hannity, and Levine's shows. Waxman wants to take that info to the FCC chairman and - we all know - get them off the airwaves.

Rush countered with a "what-if" and said "what if I had my staff start going into Waxman's 'business'" and see what they could come up with (Not a direct quote)

I caught a couple of minutes of Hannity & Colmes last night with Ann Coulter and she brought up that same thing. What if "we" started looking into Waxman? Of course Colmes didn't appreciate it.


Do any of you think there may be something to this??? (Especially Gunny)

For Tinsldr2
"However, he could certainly clear the air and put his critics at bay by saying unequivocally “Soldiers, Airman, Navy and Marine troops that are serving honorably in war time AND do not agree with the US presence there are real soldiers.” or words to that effect."

Rush has done this several times since MM posted their lies.

The problem is not that Rush won't clear the air because he enjoys the controversey. The problem is that no matter how many times he clears the air MM will either not report it, will mis-report, or will claim it is a revised or contrived position that Rush never would have adopted if he hadn't been 'caught'.

And those like yourself, who never listen to Rush, won't know who to believe.

Thank you for service to our country. God bless you and keep you safe.

It's long and Bman
But click my name and read the whole thing!! It's all right there....

Waxman is just wasting taxpayer money to prove the superiority of his "values" against Rush's Troop support...It isn't gonna get far. They fail to realize that none of this has anything to do with anything they should be concerning themselves with. They only wnat to FEEL superior, we know they suck big wind.

For trulib
No doubt this attack on Limbaugh has ulterior motives. You add the following:

1. Distract the public from the Norman Hsu campaign finance scandal.

2. Distract people from the military succes in Iraq resulting from the surge and the egg on theface of the left over the Petraeus ad by MoveOn.org.

3. Turn what should be a massive embarassment over how Jesse MacBeth made chumps of the entire left into a negative against Rush instead of a negative against the left.

Bman3
If I was Rush, I'd hire a team to sift through everything Nostrils has ever done. Then I'd post it to the world, over and over and over...

Here's a long forgotten article on another phony soldier.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0408,schanberg,51276,1.htm l

patriotdefender...
I read some of it the other day but I also heard the original live broadcast. Besides, I have been a Rush fan since around '92.

I know he supports the troops. Always have. Always will.



Has anyone seen Robert Levy, the MIA mayor from Atlantic City?



Norman Hsu is still DEAD MAN WALKING...




Changing the subject:
I can't wait for Chris Matthews to "go rip" at today's debate. Whatever the hell that means...

NYC DOG
Still no takers huh, thats what happens when you work for Gorgie Boy Soros. Hope youre not shocked

wiseone...
kind of makes you think there may be something else coming out also... besides Sandy Burglar 'advising' Hillary in a "not officially" capacity

One thing more
Jesse MacBeth was born Jesse al Zaid.

A wannabe jihadist who couldn't even graduate from boot camp makes chumps out of the entire left media because they don't have enough sense or competence to do their homework on him.

Instead, they give him a platform from which he is able to spread horrible lies about our guys to the whole world.

Good job, MSM. You chumps.

GunnyG
I think Big City Lib's parents SLAMMED his head into the pavement when he was a baby, then when he was an adolescent, then a teenager, and right before he posted that.



GunnyG
NY Dogg was posting as al this weekend.


Another one busted.

I guess al got flagged too...

I, too, don't flag people, and I say "people" lightly. Unless they seriously advocate murder.

I guess I hurt some libtards feelings yesterday with my cankles comparison to you know who...



Where is Robert?
and Lilly?

Guns, Bman
Guns...Seen Robert? Got Hal??? Those guys are amazing! I see the dogshitt is sticking to the ground,too,hey?

Bman, me too...I love it when he bullies asssholes who are stuck on stupid.

Treasonous Republicans
How in the name of God can you say Gunny and I are phony soldiers? Do you know who we are? For me, try MCRDPISC 1961. Personally, I could care what you think, but the trouble with all of you liberal, socialist, commies, you speak of not what you know. We're not all equal: I don't look like Clark Gable; I can't sing like Frank Sinatra; and I don't have the sexual appetite of Errol Flynn. You libs want to legislate social, economic conditions in everyone's life. You can't make people love each other. TO be quite honest, I think most human beings are a failed experiment. They have to be, how else can you explain Black people and Jews voting for a Clinton? Both Billary and Hillary hate blacks and Jews. That's a known fact, so go figure.

Semper Fi,

WMR

Hey Guns
A hat tip fer ya:
Yer gonna love it!!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1907360/posts

Bman3
I hope he sues (and loses) so that his stupidity will become public record for posterity!

Another Phony Soldier
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0408,schanberg,51276,1.htm l

Holy S***! Gunny

Hopefully, someday the truth will come out, and the Vietnam War history will be re-written. There is a group of vets that are apparently trying to do this now.

http://www.vvlf.org/

Brob
It doesn't matter WHO Rush Limbaugh was calling a "phony soldier", it matters that the socialists and moveon.org (et al) spin the comment to "prove" Rush is a hypocrit.

You and your ilk demand this debate be kept on the front burner. Your tactic is akin to throwing gasoline on a small campfire and then scurrying down to the media to claim that the forest is on fire.

You and your ilk create these debates in order to smear right-wing commentators like Rush and O'Reilly. You and your ilk continue the "politics of personal destruction", never daring to actually debate the issues.

Many conservative fall into your Cannae trap, as the Romans did in 216 B.C. The battle was won, but not the war, as Carthage failed to support its army in the field in southern Italy.

Likewise, the Socialist-Democrats will lose this war. Although approximately 20% of Americans think socialism is a legitimate and viable economic system, the vast majority of Americans realize that free market capitalism operating in a free society is the better of the two ideologies.

So, Brob, keep throwing gasoline on the Rush Limbaugh fire. Most people on the right know where Rush stands on the military and this country. More importantly, we also know where you and your ilk stand: Marxist socialism.

patriotdefender
I'm trying (and suceeding) at not posting to the trolls. Ignore them, read around their posts, and reply to TH'ers just like you would a spoiled child interrupting adult conversation.

If you've been reading my blog (like you SHOULD) then you'd know that the liberal/socialist is a child in mind and beliefs.

Who cares where they aer as long as it ain't here! haha.

They belong at KidsKoS with the other children anyway.

Mickey
We're working on not replying to the lib children and we just ignore them. It makes their employer, Georgie Boy Sorea** angry when they can't disrupt our site.

Critical Bill
I haven't read all the comments here yet, but have to say the only ridiculous comments here are from folks like yourself who don't seem to grasp the real issue here.

The full weight of our elected Senate is invested in censure of a private citizen. Does this not bother you at all??? Rush has freedom of speech. Period.

And now Waxman et al are spending more money to INVESTIGATE him. If this doesn't scare the crap out of you, you are blinded by ideology and hatred for anyone who disagrees with you.

Critical Bill
Do you really believe that if RL has/had made any clarifying statements on his show tht MM and the MSM would cover that? Do you expect REID and HARKIN et al to apologize on the Senate floor? Would you take anyone's word for it if we gave you chapter and verse here on TH?

I think not. Anyone who is willing to .... how did you put it...open the veins in your wrist before actually listening to Mr. Limbaugh...had already made up his mind.

Pity.

Mrs. Paddy
"Would you take anyone's word for it if we gave you chapter and verse here on TH?"

Speaking as not-an-RL fan, I wouldn't take it on your word alone, but I wouldn't automatically reject it either. Find a reference I can reasonably check, and try me.


REAL former Soldiers
ALL,

If you want to get another perspective on the War in Iraq read the dispatches of former soldier now Photo Journalist Michael Yon. I don't think he will be joining VoteVets.org though!

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/tabula-rasa.htm

Brob go away...
But don't go away mad, just go away.

Mrs. Paddy (again)
"The full weight of our elected Senate is invested in censure of a private citizen. Does this not bother you at all??? Rush has freedom of speech. Period."

OK, insert Moveon.org in place of Rush, and repeat it. How much did it bother you?

The latest
from the Great Socialist.

"We have to fight and finally bury the idea of privatizing Social Security," she [Hitlary] said/

Off topic here but on target on my 5 part series on the liberal/socialist children.

Full story here, prepare to gag.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8S5R35O0&show_arti cle=1

What?
treasonous republicans writes:

rush stepped in it
right after you propogandists on the right stop quoting him. he said "they know where they're going if they sign up today".

Whaaaat?

GunnyG
To quote P.J. O'Rourke....

"The liberal is continually angry, as only a self-important man can be, with his civilization, his culture, his country and his folks back home. His is an infantile world view. At the core of a liberal is the spoiled child -- miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."

sophia
"Fake soldiers get fired and whisked out of the country."

I suppose you mean the Private Security Company called Blackwater that was hired by the State Department as well as the Iraqi Gov't to safe guard politicians and other important folks over here. While the private security contractors are not held to account under the UCMJ, my SJA (JAG officer) says that charges are referred to State to be turned over to US attorneys for prosecution. Whether or not State decides to press ahead with the charges is another matter.

Ron
I don't think this guy is gonna join them either.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/1 0/08/wanbar308.xml

More BAD news for the lib kids coming out of Iraq. Or, as Jon Carry would spell it, Irak.


Mrs. Paddy (again)
Frey writes:

"The full weight of our elected Senate is invested in censure of a private citizen. Does this not bother you at all??? Rush has freedom of speech. Period."

OK, insert Moveon.org in place of Rush, and repeat it. How much did it bother you?


It bothers me! HC has stated that she started (In part I assume!) MoveOn.org. I do believe that is in violation of the law. Besides RL is a private citizen, MoveO.org is an entity. I think your mixing your apples with oranges in your fruit basket.

GunnyG

Frey
MoveOn.org is a political arm of the Democrat party....Hillary has already admitted to being a founder. The ad itself bothered me because it was to further a political agenda (discrediting the commander in Iraq and painting him as a traitor to bolster their position that they weren't going to believe anything Petaeus said before he even gave his report).

Petraeus was confirmed by a unanimous vote of the Senate, and then Hillary et al say before he even spoke it would require "a willing suspension of disbelief" to accept his report as factual.

I don't really think you can equate the two events, because the General is an official of our military working for the government, and Rush is a private citizen.

You haven't answered the question: doesn't it bother you that the Senate is censuring and investigating a private citizen for his right to speak? Rush wasn't trying to score politial points or influence official policy in Washington.

MarineDad
GOOD ONE!

I'll post that quote on part three.

Well done and spot on for the lib kids.

Mrs Paddy
Kind of sums up what you were talking about
Moveon.org

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/breen/archive/2 0070912_breen.gif

sophia
John Dean makes some intersting points about the neediness of some conservatives to have an authoritarian figure in control.

key word: "some"

We call them RINO or Democrat-lite.

Whereas, with the liberal/socialist, they are ALL looking for a Nanny.

Sheepdog
Too True!


TR: check it out if you dare
OK, It was tough but I got thru it. I never said that they were not good at what they do. Its just that it seems to me that what they do is bend the truth (In some cases lie)to suit their agenda! Almost every Fiction vs Fact they assert is just wrong...except maybe the one about Murtha. But I have a true liberals contempt for that guy!

Treasonous Republicans writes:
- what are you talking about? a group of people has the same rights to speech as an individual. and rush limbaugh is certainly an entity with far more money that moveon.org.
=====================

Wow! Rush has more money than the 8.5 Billion that Soros has???? Who Knew?

sheepdog
HAHA!

Ol Normie Hsu. The Dhimmicrats are giving the GOP so much ammo to use in 08 it ain't even funny.

From moveon.org to Hsu to Hitlary's wild redistribution schemes, they have a full magazine!

Enity or Individual
TR writes:

what are you talking about? a group of people has the same rights to speech as an individual. and rush limbaugh is certainly an entity with far more money that moveon.org.

MoveOn.org is an entity, Rush is citizen. I believe EIB would be the RL entity equivalent.

Don't know who has more money.

Never said a GROUP OF PEOPLE has less than the same rights to speech as an Individual. That would be what you say I said. I will say that an entity is different then a GROUP OF PEOPLE and is NOT subject to the same unqualified RIGHTS as a citizen.


Media Matters/MoveOn
Sorry....I thought they were interchangable. LOL

I am not naive. Rush is unabashedly Conservative, but he is still only a private citizen.

I am totally amazed that you all are not disturbed by the attempt to silence him because he doesn't agree with the Left. The abolishment of the free market (Clark asking for Rush to be removed from AFN, the "Fairness Doctrine") from our nation should bother everyone who values freedom.

If you had any faith in Capitalism, you'd understand that Rush would not be broadcasting if he wasn't listened to by a loyal fan base.

Jumping on Rush is just a means to distract the public from the MoveOn ad, and the smoke and mirrors that our elected representatives engage in on a regular basis.

w" ron" g
That was good! Wish I would have thought of that first. I hope it doesn't stick though!

GunnyG & sheepdog...
GunnyG:
Just read your link about Hillary's new program. Seems she has given up on the baby bonds and moved to 401(k)'s.

Now according to the article estates valued at 7 mil would pay for 5,000 accounts at $1,000 each.

I went to public schools so help me out here.

5,000 accounts at $1,000 each would equal $5 million ($5,000,000)

An estate valued at $7,000,000 would pay for this.

THAT IS A 71.43% TAX RATE ON THE ESTATE.

Even SCARIER than that is it does not state whether the person (estate) has to be dead yet.

It also doesn't say but you can bet your sweet bippy that the 401(k)'s would also be administered by..... THE GOVERNMENT.



Sheepdog...

Cartoon about scandals being back.... spot on



sophia writes:
....An argument can be made that Rush should be taken of AFR since that is paid for with tax dollars. I suppose conservatives could make the same argument with PBS though. Couldn't we just have a little more balance on both since they are tax funded? :o)


Rush is on AFR because he won the vote. Voted on by the..... Armed Forces.

He was not one of the choices, but he won it by a write in.

I don't think my tax dollars should fund abortions, but it does.

I don't think my tax dollars should fund 1.5 million dollar Murtha Earmarks for corporations that doesn't exist, but they do.

I don't think my tax dollars should fund studies on why chickens cross the road, but somewhere, I am sure they do.


.

Sophia
Sophie writes:

I do not think Rush should be censored. In fact I will defend anyone's right to free speach regardless of what I think of their opinions (I'm like an NRA member when it comes to the first amendment). I think bad speach should be defeated with better speech.

Don't support the Fairness Doctrine either.

Sophia, what are you wearing right now!...JK

Sophia
Glad you support free speech. However, if tax dollars are what determines AFN shows,then we'd have to remove NPR as well. They only broadcast 1 hour of Rush's 3 hour program, and NPR is pretty unlimited. It is already unbalanced, in that regard. Also, Rush was added to AFN because the miliatry REQUESTED his show.

Last time I looked, the military were citizens too, so the tax-payer dollars argument is pretty thin, in my mind. AFN is less than what American's get here in the states, and is shown without commercials (just public service announcements)...One of the benefits of limited programming LOL.

I hope you are just as supportive of our 2nd Amendment rights.

You sound like you believe all those conspiracy theories...Could you cite your source for the 'higher ratings' of the Liberal show that was cancelled?

If I had heard about Rush's ....
description of Phony Soldiers on some news broadcast I would have immediately thought it was some new Lefty Lie for the gullible liberal hordes to chew on for a while. However, since I was listening to Rush "live" at the time, it never occurred to me that he said anything that could possibly taken out of context and used against him. The ability of the Left to ignore facts and evidence and keep on repeating the "lie of the moment" never ceases to amaze me.

The fact that they see Rush as more of threat than their very own Senators who immediately took up the diatribe against a private citizen on the Senate floor is very telling indeed.

About Blackwater
Sophie,

If you want to get the facts on Blackwater, you can go to http://www.statfor.com, become a member, then look up the article By George Friedman
titled "The Geopolitical Foundations of Blackwater". You would also get daily FACTS concerning what is really going on in the world without a political bias. I think it would change your perceptions. I wish I could give you a link or send you a copy of the report but their copyright agreement expressly prohibits it!

GunnyG 2:44pm
But will they use that ammo?

You are so correct, Ronald Reagan would have had enough ammunition to not only win the presidency but also vote almost every Dumocrat out of the House and Senate.

Today's GOP seems to be "rolling over and playing dead".

Sophia writes
"I don't think Capitalism is always the driving force in what's going on in talk radio..."

uh excuse me but did you ever take Econ 101?
How do you suppose they make their money?
Ever listen to Rush when they go to commercial and he says "Well be right back after this obscene profit break? It called corporate sponsorship..
Can you explain why there are more liberal people listening to Rush as compared to listening to liberal talk show hosts?
Heck even Glenn Beck is more succesful at talk radio then any liberal could be..
I like listening to him becuase he gets a little more animated than Limbaugh and Hannity.
One reason I think conservative talk shows are better is becuase of the messenger. Conservatives are far more better than liberals at delivering the message. That's why liberal talk shows fail.


Some thoughts
We might stop to recall that one of the people who is impugning Rush is Tom Harkin, who lied about his military service. He claimed to have flown combat missions in Viet Nam, but he never served in Viet Nam. He was a ferry pilot, transferring aircraft from Japan to either Okinawa or Guam, no combat missions whatsoever.
As for medal hound John Kerry, master of writing himself up for medals, enough has already been said about that liar. There is also the matter that his conduct in going to Paris to meet with the enemy whilst he was still on active duty, was an illegal action under the UCMJ, and he should have been court-martialled for it.
And finally, if I were to characterise Max Cleland in one, admittedly unkind, word, it would be "clumsy." Max was wounded by one of his own hand grenades, which he dropped when he jumped out of a helicopter. It was a tragic accident, but not a combat wound, which is why he does not have the Purple Heart.

Mrs. Paddy
"MoveOn.org is a political arm of the Democrat party...."

So, what, the Democratic party doesn't have the right to free speech?

(a little late for that conversation, sorry)

To answer your question, I think the Senate should keep (and should have kept) it's collective nose out of both statements. It's a great old American axiom that while I disagree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it. That little chestnut seems to have been forgotten in today's environment. So, you got me, I guess I'm with Rush on that one.

What gets me about this incident is the hypocrisy. The comparison with Moveon.org isn't entirely equal, but if some media person on the left, say Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow, had said something similar under similar circumstances on their shows, Republicans (maybe including you, maybe not) would be screaming for them to be fired, and be pointing to it over and over again as examples of the liberal media, and how they really hate the troops, and they're all scum, etc. etc. Honestly, would Keith Olbermann be getting the same vigorous defense on this article if he had been the one to say it?

If you want to draw a line on free speech and say, "OK, that speech should be condemned for going too far," that's fine, although I don't agree with it. But you can't move the line based on who's saying it. Either certain speech is out of line, or it isn't. You can't give someone a pass just because he shares your political beliefs.

Sophia
Ok well tell me something I didn't already know. Yea I took economics even though it was more than 10 years ago and things have changed abit since then but I still understand the basics of free markets. But you still didn't answer my question that I posed above.
Why do more liberals listen to Rush or Sean or Beck than liberal radio talk shows?



sophia
I just got back to my desk...
working to pay for all the welfare recipients...


I will have to continue another day.


But I do have time to say Ted Stevens bridge to no where is just that - a bridge to no where. Exactly where it should be going. Just as Rep Clyburn's, D-SC bridge to no where in SC he wants to spend hundreds of millions of $ on.

And is William Jefferson, D-LA, been convicted yet? He HAS been indicted. And if it turns out Stevens is guilty, then throw the book at him just as hard as it was thrown at Sandy Burglar.

Has Sandy taken the lie detector test yet?

Anyway...

Have a nice afternoon.


Sophia
"No one wants to address Rush's comments on Paul Hackett?"

Wow, I can't believe about that one! Apparently, Rush thinks anyone who served in Iraq honorably is a real soldier, unless they're liberal and running for office. Or maybe just liberal.

I've said it before; I'll say it again
When Harry Reid and the other lefties denounce MoveOn.org., then (and only then) I'll listen to what they have to say about Rush.

bman
Just going to call you bman..can't remember which number your on. Oh yea thats right #3 my bad.


Anyway have a good evening ...Try to cool off a little ..Heard it's been pretty hot back there.
I'll send you a little snow from our mountains your way.

Blackwater
Sophia,

Good news, the blackwater article is apparently free on http://www.stratfor.com homepage. You might want to check it out! It's even critical of the Bush Administration so you may enjoy it! It will answer all the questions you have posed.

Rush, and all cons. talk radio (Imus)
is under attack to extinguish as much of it as possible before the Dems. nominate Hillary.

They know as soon as Hill gets the nod, Rush and the cons. talk radio hosts will start rehashing the nearly interminable scandals and lies that rolled ceaselessly through 8 years of Bill Clinton's corrupt administration.

Anyone who has ever paid any attention to Rush over the years would know immediately that any mention of "phony soldiers" in any context does not mean Rush has suddenly as of the last 1/2 second become anti-military; whereas,
Reid and Murtha and Pelosi and the entire Dem. cabal have been calling soldiers failures--Harry (wave-the-white-flag) Reid--
and murderers--
Murtha (great former Marine that he supposedly prides himself in)--
and scarf wearers like Pelosi who abased herself in front of a despotic tyrant like Assad in Syria as if a degraded b*tch on some rap video--pretending to carry messages of "peace" in the Middle East--
when what they really want is the collapse of the USA that saved Europe twice and has contributed to the freedom of 1.5 billion since Lincoln freed the slaves.

Those who support Rush should call and email DC incessantly or you'll be getting he (un)Fairness Doctrine and lib. censors on sites like TH.

Here's a story about phony military
Our friend for 20 years, Mitch, was a retired Marine Colonel and recipient of the Congressional Metal of Honor for his service on Guadalcanal, during WW II.

He was very much involved in the matter of unearthing the many dishonest individuals who claimed to have received the Congressional Metal of Honor, but had never been awarded that honor.

One Sunday, the CBS program “60 Minutes” had Mitch on TV, telling how much work it took to trace the fraudulent story of these people, then showed what happened to them, when their dishonesty was uncovered and made public.

Imagine my surprise when one of the fraudulent people was a man that I had played tennis with many times. He had a phony license plate on his car, had plaques and signs in his house, and had bragged at length of his accomplishments.

I never saw him again at the Tennis Club, his house was for sale immediately, and he disappeared from our area.

I didn’t use any obscenities

For anyone who is afraid of being censored off of TH, just listen to this one.

The other day, why I don’t know, I looked at HuffPro and they were all screaming four-letter words about Rush. I mentioned that Rush used the letter S, and wasted 1 minute, 50 second of a liberal’s time.

It was there for a few minutes, then disappeared, so I posted again with exactly the same result. I guess that since I didn’t use any obscenities, they didn’t like it.

Sohia
Thanks for responding to my question..At least it shows you have some credability answering peoples questions when others will not.

"Plus we liberals like to get pi$$ed off sometimes. It's a masochistic tendency, I guess..."

I'm a conservative becuase I choose be and believe me I'm mad as hell at them right now.
I think Bush trashed the conservative movement on immigration, and the fact the spending has gotten so far out of control it isn't even funny.




So, Sophia...
...what is it about Limbaugh's comments on Hackett and Coulter's comments on Cleland that bothers you?

It may interest you to know, if you don't already, that "staff puke" is somewhat less harsh a characterization than the more commonly use "REMF", which stands for "rear echelon m*th*r-f*ck*r".

And if Rush believes Hackett went to Iraq to "pad his resume" that opinion is far more charitiable than the opinion I have of John Kerry, who took a home movie camera to Vietnam (maybe Rush and I wouldn't be so quick to make this assessment of Hackett if kerry hadn't already established the genre) and Scott Beauchamp, who i am convinced was assign by "The New Republic" to go to Iraq and bash the troops from within their own ranks (and who should spend a long, long time in prison for treason).

And all Coulter did was expose the misconception, which Cleland himself abetted, that Cleland's disabilities resulted from action in combat and not drunken incompetence.

So, please be a little more specific about your problem with these political opinions and comments. What is your problem with them?

renny
"Reid and Murtha and Pelosi and the entire Dem. cabal have been calling soldiers failures--Harry (wave-the-white-flag) Reid--
and murderers--"

The real cabal is Soros-Hillary.

Today Rush read from an article in which the author explains how the smear against Rush by MM is taken virtually step by step from "Rules for Radicals", authored by Hillary's mentor, Saul Alinsky.

The good news is that Hillary's not fooling them ("them" meaning upper middle class liberals). I spoke with three of them this weekend who I see once or twice a year. All three are die-hard libs that hate Bush. And all three said they are watching the Republican nomination process closely beause they've already made up their minds to vote for whoever we nominate to defeat Mrs. Clinton, even if "I have to hold my nose" and "Even if it's Giuliani" (actual quotes from two of these guys.

One is a lawyer and one is a trophy husband. The third is a retired UAW member.

wiseone
In the case of Hackett, Rush said that he was a "liberal Democrat trying to hide behind a military uniform" and went "to Iraq to pad the resume", on multiple broadcasts. In other words, he didn't wear the uniform because he was proud of his service, he was using it as a shield. He didn't go to Iraq (and risk his life) to serve his country, he did it for street cred. Sounds like he called the man, I don't know, what's a good word for someone like that, perhaps, a phoney soldier? And Rush's judgement wasn't based on him lying about his service record, or falsely claiming atrocities, or rushing to judgement on his fellow soldiers. It was based on Hackett being a Democrat (or liberal, if you prefer), and that was apparently all Rush needed to know. If you're liberal, you're a phoney soldier, because no liberal could ever be a real soldier. Therefore, any soldiers in Iraq right now who have "liberal" political views are automatically phoney soldiers (based on what Rush said about Hackett). So much for supporting all troops, even those you disagree with. So much for "phoney soldiers" referring only to Jesse Macbeth and his ilk.

Wiseone, I don't disagree
Wherever this oppression is coming from, the idea is to strangle cons. talk at all costs. Attacking Imus just whetted their bloodlust.

I also have very lib. friends who are talking of voting for Giuliani if the Reps. have the sense to nominate him. One doesn't want Bill anywhere near the White House again and another thinks Hillary is an appointee of the Dark Prince.

Giuliani is very popular in NJ with all parties because of his leadership during 911 and his resurrection of NYC when all the lib. experts claimed it was ungovernable.

Write and email DC and Reid and the rest of the witches' coven or they will be censoring Rush and others. In NJ, when Ann Coulter's Godless came out and criticized 4 911 widows who had inserted themselves into the 911 Commission and and Dem. politics, my US senators announced they would prohibit the distribution of Ann's book in this state. That's what Dems. think of free speech. IF they don't like it, they'll ban it.

Frey
Wow...sorry it took so long to get back to the thread. I'm glad we agree on free speech.

I take exception to your one point regarding Hackett, and that if Rush criticized him in particular that it follows that the broader context of *any* military person that was a liberal would be a 'phony'

People do that a lot (both sides of the aisle) to make a point. It just doesn't wash.

And as far as why most of us are angry about this flap about Rush is
1. It is a lie to say that Rush is anything other than a huge supporter of the troops
2. The agenda of the Left to silence dissent

You may think that the MoveOn 'ad' and Rush's statement are equivalent, but they are not.

The MoveOn ad portrays Petraeus as a liar before he even speaks.

The Censure of Rush puts him in a position to defend himself for something he did not say. Why should Rush have to 'apologize' [as some have demanded] for something he clearly did not say or intend as it has been reported.

If I grant that the MoveOn ad was political speech and should be protected speech, why did the Senate bow to public pressure to condemn such a thing? Don't you find it curious that they had to find a target of opportunity on the Conservative side to counter the flap over MoveOn?

The thing that scares me the most is that Waxman is investigating Rush (and others) now? I thought the Left hated McCarthy.

MM and MoveOn are in full attack mode to silence the Right, and that should scare everyone in America.

Mrs. Paddy
You are absolutely right.

The left does not care about the Petraeus ad or the Senate censure of movealong. They care about stopping cons. talk radio, and all cons. commentating.

1) they feel they "got" Imus, altho' he's in negociations with ABC now, so their blood was whetted for getting bigger game

2) Rush, because he had a huge influence on stopping last summer's "immigration bill" that all parties wanted for the enormous goodie pie the legislation was offering, makes them fear his power

3) Rush is more dangerous because he's witty and gouges the left unmercifully for many, many hours a week--air time no lib. can match, which tickles their perpetually itching "unfairness" bone

4) Rush commands 20-30 million listeners which are more votes than most of the pols. in DC have had if all their votes were tallied together and that makes them plain jealous

Sophia
Ann Coulter doesn't lie. She uses sarcasm and wit an irony and exaggeration to make a point. Sometimes her humor fails, but she doesn't lie. Lighten up.

renny
I just don't get the double standard. Everyone was apoplectic that Ahmadinijad be allowed to speak at Columbia due to "free speech" and Rush is a target for exercising his free speech.

All of us who listen to Rush know what he said and what he didn't say. But, in point of fact, even if he'd said what they claim, it is still his right to say it!

In light of what we've heard from Durin, Kerry, Reid, Murtha and others disparaging our troops [and they don't need to be take out of context to get it] the Senate has a lot of nerve to attack a private citizen over a trumped up charge.

Are people in America really that gullible?

It doesn't bode well for the next election if that is the case.

renny
Typo I meant Durbin,

Darn
VoteVets sure were effective. Hats off to them

Mrs. Paddy
You know that the left functions on complete double standard. What is free speech at the hellhole called Columbia is not free speech for cons.

I find reports that Congressmen like Waxman are going to investigate Rush and Hannity. What in the world is going to be investigated? Even if Rush somehow meant all soldiers are phony, so what that he said it? It would be stupid nnd insulting and in poor taste, but it wouldn't be illegal.

Charles Linbergh ran around the US throughut the 30s and 40s promoting neutrality and claiming loudly that Hitler was too tough to beat and that Hitler was all right as a European leader anyway. Today that is perfectly bonkers. But no one censored Lindbergh. Of what are they going to censor Rush?

He's not using the 7 prohibited FCC words, he's not talking lasciviously or pornographically (which I won't vouch for on some lib. sites whose language is sewer level), and he's not a traitor calling for defeat and waving the white flag, which is exactly what the Dems. have done outright for nearly years.

I have to pack it in. See you on another thread again.

mrs Paddy
"I just don't get the double standard. Everyone was apoplectic that Ahmadinijad be allowed to speak at Columbia due to "free speech" and Rush is a target for exercising his free speech."

Actually the comparison is excellent. Both told lies were called on it and denied it.

"All of us who listen to Rush know what he said and what he didn't say. But, in point of fact, even if he'd said what they claim, it is still his right to say it!"

sure just admit he said it. Rush won't. He is the "broadcast professional"

"...[and they don't need to be take out of context to get it] the Senate has a lot of nerve to attack a private citizen over a trumped up charge."

not trumped at all


"Are people in America really that gullible?

It doesn't bode well for the next election if that is the case. "

I get people saying can't Rush's folks read transcripts or listen to the spoken word. I always say you tell me LMAO

Mrs. Paddy
"and they don't need to be take out of context to get it"

OK, then why do you guys keep doing exactly that (with Reid, Kerry, and Obama at least)?

This isn't about free speach
Never was, really. The gov't doesn't have anything to do with it. All I need to know is Rush's background. I listen to it on a Pittsburgh station, so I know all about his past comments and what he believes in, so I know what he was trying to say to his crowd, but the problem is that it came out too clear and those not in his crowd took offense (and I think rightfully).

Please tell me why Rush would edit much of the problem out of the clip for both Fox News and whatever they send to the military. We all know that Rush thinks that you're either for us or against us, and if you are in the military, you are not a real soldier if you dare have another opinion. We ALL know this.

The semantics game is getting old. This would go away faster if Rush simply grew some and admitted that he hates everyone who disagrees with him. The Right would applaud him anyway. Look at how they giggled when he used "feminazi" too many times. Wheeee hoooooo! Good times there, drug-man.

Mrs. Paddy
"Wow...sorry it took so long to get back to the thread. I'm glad we agree on free speech."

Not to nitpick, but we agree only on Rush Limbaugh's right to free speech. We seem to stil disagree regarding Moveon.org's (and Democrats', apparently) right to it.

"I take exception to your one point regarding Hackett, and that if Rush criticized him in particular that it follows that the broader context of *any* military person that was a liberal would be a 'phony'

People do that a lot (both sides of the aisle) to make a point. It just doesn't wash."

If Rush had criticized his policies (and I'm sure he did), or his affiliations (and I'm sure he did), OK fine, that's politics. Rush directly attacked his military service, basically saying it didn't mean anything. Why? Because he was a "liberal", no other reason. Because he was on the wrong side of the aisle, and if he used that logic with Paul Hackett, why wouldn't he use it with anyone else who disagreed with him, saying their military service didn't mean anything because of their political views? His saying "phoney soldiers" just gave us another look at the way he sees things.

BTW, his characterization of Paul Hackett as a liberal is also typical of Rush and his ilk. Any opposition is referred as a "liberal", no matter where they stand in the left-of-center spectrum. Paul Hackett is very pro-2nd Amendment (he owns an AR-15 assault rifle, for crying out loud) and supports a strong defense and fiscal responsibility (which puts him to the right of most Republican politicians these days). But as far as Rush in concerned, he's another one of those America-hating, tax-n-spend, big government liberals.

"2. The agenda of the Left to silence dissent"

That's pretty rich, coming from a political group that characterizes all opposition as traitors, cowards and commies.

Mrs Paddy (cont.)
"If I grant that the MoveOn ad was political speech and should be protected speech, why did the Senate bow to public pressure to condemn such a thing?"

Because half of them are kow-towing Republicans, and most of the rest are Democratic pansies who've forgotten how to stand up for themselves. And since when does public opinion dictate what's right and wrong? What, we took a poll on whether the First Amendment should apply to everyone, and it came back with 58% saying, "Sorry, not this year."?

That's good night for me. Take it easy.

Sophia
Sophia asks, "What about Max Cleland? How would you classify his service?"


Cleland was injured because an American soldier had straightened out the pin on his grenade, not because of hostile fire.

Does Cleland wear a Purple Heart?

DavidMac
That doesn't answer the question. The man served three years in the army, fought in the Battle of Khe Sanh, and won the Bronze Star and the Silver Star, and all you have to say is that he didn't win a Purple Heart? So, the way he was injured wasn't heroic enough, so everything he did before that wasn't important? Is that they way you think of non-PH soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan?

On the plus side, you're making Rush look more pro-soldier by comparison.

If anyone watches the Daily Show
My attitude on Congress's actions on the Moveon.org ad and Rush Limbaugh's comments were perfectly summed up by Lewis Black last night.

Guy makes me bust up every time.

Purple Heart
Sophia,

If he was awarded the Purple Heart then he must have met the criteria, period.

Of course you have to admit a soldier who gets a limb blown off, while on a movement to contact combat patrol, is much more SYMPATHETICAL deserving than someone who trips on a tent peg and falls on the front site of their M16 while seeking cover from a mortar attack. However you be the judge... Army reg 600-8-22 para 2-8e states...

h. Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not justify award of the Purple Heart are as follows:
(1) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.
(2) Heat stroke.
(3) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.
(4) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.
(5) Battle fatigue.
(6) Disease not directly caused by enemy agents.
(7) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and other accidental wounding not related to or caused by
enemy action.
(8) Self-inflicted wounds, except when in the heat of battle and not involving gross negligence.
(9) Post traumatic stress disorders.
(10) Jump injuries not caused by enemy action.

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