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Monday, June 15, 2009
Carol Platt Liebau :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obamacare Will Make America Sick
by Carol Platt Liebau
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Perhaps the most revealing moment of Barack Obama’s presidential candidacy came in the ABC debate conducted on April 16 of last year. Charles Gibson asked the then-senator why he would possibly consider raising the capital gains tax rate, when doing so results in decreased tax revenue. Obama replied that he “would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.”

That same impulse toward social leveling is at work in the President’s health care plan. Advocates of Obamacare are pushing to achieve universal health care coverage by offering a “government option” for health insurance. That plan will eventually result in a health care system that is more “equal” in its treatment of all Americans, those with the means to pay and those without them – but the new, uniform standard of care will be much lower for everyone.

Here’s why. As with the current Medicare and Medicaid systems, under the “government option,” the government will simply decide what it will pay doctors, hospitals and other health care providers for labor, products or services. And that’s all the doctors, hospitals and other medical personnel will get, regardless of the actual costs or value of the services they offer to those in the government plan.

Right now, of course, a deficit exists between the cost of caring for those on Medicare/Medicaid and what the government will spend on it. Accordingly, those with private insurance simply pay more to keep the hospitals solvent and the doctors working. In other words, even after paying taxes, those with private insurance subsidize the government program yet again.

But if Obama succeeds in imposing a “government option” on America, the privately insured will be forced to pay even more to compensate for the government-created cost/payment shortfall as the rolls of those in the government plan expand. As a result, the cost of private insurance will ultimately become untenable. And then – there will be only government-administered health care for all.

Without privately insured Americans subsidizing Medicare and Medicaid, there will have to be another way to close the deficit between the cost of treatments and the below-market payments government offers for them. The answer, of course, will be health care rationing. Rather than the free market – or health care consumers’ economic and personal choices – driving the distribution of health care, the government will do it.

This prospect doesn’t seem to bother President Obama or many other Democrats – which makes sense, from their perspective. For powerful government officials, the plan would work well. Their political influence will guarantee that they (and their friends) will receive the finest treatment available under a government-run system.

For other Americans, however – including regular people without “pull,” who have nonetheless worked hard to have the means to buy good private coverage – the prospect should be profoundly frightening. A government bureaucracy controlling your medical care is likely to combine the efficiency of the post office with the compassion of the IRS. Imagine a trip to the Department of Motor Vehicles – but to secure lifesaving treatment for yourself, a spouse or child, rather than simply to obtain a driver’s license. What a nightmare.

Nevertheless, proponents of the “government option” continue to operate on the assumption that the laws of supply and demand can be suspended at their whim. Just last week, President Obama simply decreed that federal payments to hospitals will be cut by $200 billion over the next ten years. How, exactly, is that supposed to work? And, more fundamentally, in a capitalist country of free men and women, when did it become permissible for the government to ignore the free market, and dictate what it would pay for specific products and services regardless of their actual cost or value?

Certainly, at present, better health care is available to those with the capacity to pay for high-quality private insurance. But will anyone be better off if that inequality is remedied by President Obama’s social leveling, where there will simply be a single, lower standard of health care for everyone – except for powerful politicians, of course?

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Carol Platt Liebau is an attorney, political commentator and guest radio talk show host based near Los Angeles. Learn more about her new book, "Prude: How the Sex-Obsessed Culture Hurts Young Women (and America, Too!)" here.

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Carol:
Do you always find it helpful to shill for a solely capitalistic solution to ALL our problems -- even healthcare?

Jesus. Consevatives are even showing signs of wanting to convert major aspects of the U.S. military into a "free-market" capitalistic venture (can we all say "Blackwater"?).

We desperately NEED a "government option" for healthcare.

This doesn't mean you'll have to give up your wonderful, privileged medical plan, Carol. This just means that we'll also have a "government option" ALONGSIDE the private enterprise one. Kind of like the U.S. Postal Service (government option). The public Postal Service can peacefully co-exist alongside the private U.P.S. option. All classes of american society therefore have an option.

Will
The U.S. post office, you know the one back in 1970 that declared it would be come a self sufficient profit making government agency, will lose 6 billion dollars this year. Nice government option. And we pay for that deficit, just like the rest of us who don't choose the government option will pay for it. Our current health care is not free market. it is a pooled funding system that individuals are kept from having to pay for all their own expenses. So they don't care how much the bill is just that they know they only have to pay their 10 or 20 dollar co-pay when they vist the doctor. Why don't you study up on what the free market really is before you write such drivel.

Will
What gives you the right to expect me to pay for your medical care? Where is the Constitutional mandate?

The Good Samaritan, after whom you might model yourself, used his own money to help a wounded man. He didn't organize the community or plunder his neighbors' pockets. He simply met the most critical need, and was on his way.

If you can afford a cell phone, other hand-held electronic gadgets, a flat-screen TV, cable, internet and other subscriptions, a car and a home or apartment you can damn well afford to budget to pay for your own checkups and other routine care. Insurance should cover only major medical, not routine medical. Tort reform would also bring costs down, as doctors wouldn't be paying half their incomes for insurance policies. Gov't help through Medicare/aid have turned the doc's offices into the main social event of many of the old and the poor and why not-when someone else pays the bill, you can afford to be a hypochondriac. The government need NOT be involved at all, apart from reasonable safety regulations and as the go-to in cases of malpractice. Under UHC, where would you go, if you were a victim of negligence or malpractice?

Geez do you really need a Government drone standing by to help you through everything?

Single-Payer Doesn't Have The Votes
Plus, the public option and healthcare benefit taxes are in trouble, as well...

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said this weekend that he opposes a public option plan for consumers in a healthcare reform plan to emerge from the Senate.

“I don’t favor a public option,” Lieberman told Bloomberg News in an interview broadcast this weekend. And I don’t favor a public option because I think there’s plenty of competition in the private insurance market.” …

“We have a unique opportunity, a real opportunity to do this year what we’ve been trying to do for years, which is to reform American healthcare,” Lieberman said. “I think the one thing that will stop that is pressure on the so-called public option.”

Other Democrats in the Senate, mostly from the red states, have also retreated from the public plan. Mary Landrieu (LA) and Ben Nelson (NE) have not quite announced opposition to it, but have sounded skeptical notes. Even if Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins join the Democrats, it would not take more than the three Democrats to uphold a filibuster on the entire bill, and we have yet to hear an explicit stand from other red-state Democrats such as Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor (AR), as well as Max Baucus and Jon Tester (MT).

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/14/lieberman-opposes-pub lic-plan-in-obamacare/


Sen. Dodd (D-CT) is opposed to taxing healthcare benefits.

http://www.fox8.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-health-overh aul-tax,0,194840.story

The plan most bandied about is the Kennedy-Dodd proposal, which resembles the UK system. If you are not familiar with the horrendous British system, please review the NHS's criticism of itself. Further, read Tom Daschle's NIGHTMARE of a health program that he decribed in his book, "Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis." It is as though he wrote it while sitting in the offices of the UK's NICE Board.


This is article is absurd
The US is far and away the richest country in history. It is truly shameful that we have not provided the universal healthcare that is available in virtually all other civilized countries. It is ridiculous that we spend so much more than other countries, and in return we get so much less.

We could easily fix the system and provide health care for everyone. Why don't we do the humane thing? Because our government (especially republicans) have been bought by the insurance, pharmaceutical, medical technology, and related industries. This is not particularly complicated: These people want to continue milking Americans because this is the capitalist way. Also, there is an increasing lack of empathy on the conservative side.

It really has very little to do with "me being forced to pay for your medical bills". Rather the money can be obtained by improving medical services, by intelligent shifts among government spending priorities, and by selective taxation of those who can easily afford it (the very rich).

will responders
Your points are powerful and would be convincing if you were dealing with a compus mentus homo sapien.

But you're dealing with the liberal fascist indoctrinated 'will' who hates his country, its free traditions, its free enterprise system, its independent and self reliant attitudes of its citizens and most of all, humans themselves. He is a lattice of various hates which he conceals behind self satisfying lib talk shtick.

Thus you could demonstrate in hundreds of ways how lib fascist concocted 'health care' will kill off vast segments of the population - but that would be perfectly OK with him.

Best they be gotten rid of, right will? They're of no use to the new system anymore than those who oppose it.

Will belongs to the class of Obot - those who claim all the sentiment and have absolutely none. Their only god is power - power over others. Power to decide whether they live or die.

Free individuals compete to provide services to their fellow man and reap the rewards for their efforts. They look to their own needs, health and otherwise, via the services of others as they've earned them by providing services.

Not vermin like will. They want to appropriate as a matter of their right due to their position in the hierarchy by means of coercion for which they have no moral reservation.

Why? Because in a fair system, will can't compete or do anything remotely useful for their fellow man.

That's why he has nothing to do but sneer at the world from his keyboard each and everyday.

How's the shoe fit so far, will?

Re 'responders to will'
Substitute Dr. Dipsh!t for 'will' everywhere appropriate.

BTW, Dr. Dipsh!t, we have universal health care - no one in this country is denied treatment. And it's quality treatment - not anything like what would be AVAILABLE under a gov't run system, which would arbitrarily ration and neglect millions to death.

Come on, admit it, fascist - it's the control and the power of life and death that you really want.

Beware, pseudo intellectual: too many have regretted getting what they sought. Or, 'be careful what you ask for - you may get it.'

Very good article, Carol
Anyone who has the most rudimentary understanding of economics (which theoretically rules out Dr. Dipsh!t and will) appreciates the total truth of everything you state here.

It truly makes me want to weep that such blind ignorance to the contrary prevails in these matters.

The only thing I might add - lib fascists are masters of appealing to the baser instincts of the ignorant masses i.e. their hates, prejudices, greeds.

All I can say is: if the fools submit expecting something for nothing, they will deserve the nothing that they will get.

A foolish plan
President Obama's plan is truly idiotic. Obama notes as evidence of "excessive" costs that 1/7 of US GDP is spent on health care. Expenditures are NOT costs. We spend far more on personal computers than in 1980, yet everybody knows an individual PC costs less and does more now than in 1980. Obviously, total expenditure on PCs says nothing about costs. The same is true with health care. For example, surgery now is less disruptive and more effective than in 1980. Properly measured "quality adjusted" health care costs are much lower now than in 1980. As with computers, the cost per unit of health care service is much less than in the past, even though we spend more dollars in total.

Also, who cares if we spend 1/7 of our income on health care? We have to spend it on something. Health care is a "luxury good" whose proportion of income rises faster than income itself. As the US gets richer and richer, the demand for health care rises faster than national income. So what? The share of income spent on personal computers also has risen over the last 40 years. So what?

Government intervention in a market is proper only when that market exhibits a market failure - monopoly power, externalities, or public goods characteristics. The health care market exhibits none of those characteristics, so no government intervention is justified.

For several reasons, Obama's plan is a terrible idea. It merely makes a further mess of a market already badly damaged by foolish federal and state interventions. Indeed, I challenge anyone to name a single serious problem in the health care market that is NOT the result of some ill-conceived government intervention.

Macroman
"For several reasons, Obama's plan is a terrible idea. It merely makes a further mess of a market already badly damaged by foolish federal and state interventions. Indeed, I challenge anyone to name a single serious problem in the health care market that is NOT the result of some ill-conceived government intervention."

You couldn't be righter. For decades the rotten lib fascist interventionists have been trying to get their blood thirsty hands on the health care industry. In that way, with the control of life and death, they eventually control everything. Look at the sissified basket case the once proud international power England became under socialized medicine.

At least England had an excuse - WWII bankrupted them. That's one of the preconditions Obot's trying to create now.

Up until now, swallowing it whole has been a rather impossible proposition because our health care has so many positives to accompany the imperfections.

But as to those imperfections, they always have the 'solution' that ALWAYS makes it worse. That's always been the plan - keep interfering until the time is right to go for total control.

Just take one interference: STATE MANDATES. In order to get an individual health care policy, the states, depending on the level of fascism of the government, require one to purchase a myriad of coverages most consumers don't want - or want to pay for.

These are a good portion of the 'uninsured' they constantly cite that need to be saved by taking over the entire industry.

Think about this fascist Obot taking over GM. Are you going to want to buy the car that these people, who have never worked in the auto industry, or built anything mechanical for that matter, are going to mandate you drive?

I hope people are thinking hard about this kind of choice that's being forced upon them.

ObamaCare
I wonder where the proposed statistical analysis system would put a proposal to treat a 77-year-old with a long history of alcohol abuse for a brain tumor? Would the ObamaCare system consider that treatment cost-effective? Unless, of course, the man was very well connected in Washington!

Anyone who needs to know
what the government is capable of doing with our health care, need look no further than the case of Terry Shiavo. She was denied not only health care, but also food, water, and the opportunity to go home with her family. Not even a (literal) act of Congress could save her.


Ropati and Mike
Don't forget there's a woman in Oregon who is now receiving the cancer drugs she needs from the drug company itself as a benevolence.

OregonCare (or whatever it's called) had denied her the medicine on the basis of :::drumroll::: cost. She was not permitted the dignity of making her own choice to continue treatment or not; some faceless, unaccountable bureaucrat committee made it for her. However, they DID make sure she understood she was eligible to take advantage of their 'assisted suicide' program.

Now THERE'S compassion you can believe in!


Dr. Douglas
Or whatever you are, are you really that naive? Becuase we are the wealthiest country we should provide health care? How about wealthy Europe and how well their universal care is doing. Event the artchitects that desigend these systems are now warning that they will implode in 10-20 years if changes aren't made. The same for Canada. If we are the wealthiest nation, why don't we buy everyone a house and car too? The wealthiest nation in the world happens to be 11 trillion dollars in debt. The wealthiest nation in the world has bankrupted it's medicare health care and the medicaid health care. The wealthiest nation in the world will soon have a 100 trillion, with a T, obligation to the Social Security System. Do you even think before you write?

A Mixed Bag ...
http://andthepointis.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/a-mixed-bag/

Obama care
It will be interesting to watch the wealthy Obama supporters put on waiting lists to go to decrepit government medical offices only to be told they have no say whatsoever in their own treatment. But hey, they'll be happy because everyone's being treated equally right?

Carol writes:
Obamacare are pushing to achieve universal health care coverage by offering a “government option” for health insurance.

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Lets suppose there were real people (not hard to imagine) who want a global government system.

One powerful way to bring everyone under control would be through Health Care.

Schools already control this with demands all children get inoculated.

Read this:

US Being Prepared For Phony “Pandemic” Mandatory Weaponized Vaccination Via Legislation, Media

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2802

vaccine refusers


quote:
The White House is proposing vaccination for both seasonal flu and H1N1 flu, although the total number of US fatalities to date from H1N1 has reached a total of about 2.

State Emergency Medical Powers Acts and Federal legislation, including the Patriot Acts I, II and III, BARDA and others provide for mandatory vaccination or drugging. No exemptions (religious or otherwise) are provided. Those who refuse will be classified as felons at the State level, subject to immedate incarceration and quarantine of indefinite length in jails or other facilities reserved for such "vaccine refusers."

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campa ign_KEY=27275


obamacare
It's not the health care that has me scared!It's Obama!

JOEL-DEPRESS OLIB
The VA has treated me well although they do have a lot of PAC"S and have waited long hours at times,but I believe it's where you are located.Aski ng a congressman to investigate usually gets results.

Dr Douglas
Are you from Canada by any chance?Either that or they run your rear out.

Medicaid and Medicare Cuts
Those are where my real concern is. Nursing homes are barely staying afloat now, they're understaffed, and the staff they do manage to hold onto are underpaid and over worked with dangerous patient ratios. This is because of existing cuts to Medicaid and Medicare reimbursement, which nursing homes and rehabiliation centers rely on.

Cut it even more? Who's going to take care of some of our most vulnerable? Our elderly and our injured? Home care? Think again. That too is subsidised by Medicaid and Medicare.

State Says No & Will Iran Get US $$$?
The US State Department has refused to condemn the Iranian governments crackdown on the protestors. Two to three million people are at the rallies and the military has opened fire on the crowd.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/15/good-news-state-depar tment-refuses-to-condemn-iranian-crackdown/


Further, it is up to the Blue Dog Democrats to block Iran from getting American dollars through the ridiculous proposal of the pols in Washington to bailout the IMF.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/15/will-the-blue-dogs-ke ep-iran-from-getting-american-cash/

100% of the time.

Everytime Liberals have told us this program or that program will save us money they have been wrong.

100% of the time, every Liberal program has ended up costing more tax payers money then Liberals projected.

Heather--
When I hear Obama ranting about what a waste of money Medicare is, and wanting to cut back on entitlement healthcare funding, I wonder if this isn't another attempt to divide the population. He tried to portray GM & Chrysler's first-priority secured creditors as "greedy"; now it appears he wants us to turn against our elders too. Who will be the next group to be labeled by BHO as "enemies of the state"?

LOOK AT SOCIALIZE MEDICINE
LOOK AT THE RECORD OF SOCIALIZE MEDICAL CARE. THE DEATH RATE IS HIGHER IN COUNTRIES WITH SOCIALIZE MEDICAL CARE THAN THOSE WITHOUT. THE FORCED DOCTORS PARTICIPATION IS ALWAYS THE END RESULT EVEN IN THE COUNTRIES THAT LIMIT THE NUMBER OF UHCP. THE DESTRUCTION IS LONG WAITING LIST.

Carol
What is making America sick is subsidized sugar (empty calories), subsidized high fructose corn syrup (makes you fat) and subsidized partially hydrogenated soybean oil. (super artery clogger)

The Real Agenda...
"Last Thursday at a town hall meeting in Rio Rancho New Mexico President Barack Obama was asked why, when “so many people go bankrupt using their credit cards to pay for healthcare. Why have they taken single-payer off the plate (audience applause), and why is Senator Baucus on the Finance Committee discussing health care when he has received so much money from the pharmaceutical companies? Isn’t it a conflict of interest?” (more audience applause)

“Healthcare is one-sixth of our economy, so it is a complicated and difficult task. Congress is going to have to work hard, and everybody is going to have to come at this with a practical perspective as opposed to being ideologically pure in getting it done… Why not do a single-payer system? … A single-payer system is like, Medicare is sort of a single-payer system, but it’s only for people over 65, and the way it works is, uh, the idea is you don’t have insurance companies as middle men." - Barack Obama

Question: "More than 80 House Democrats are supporting a single payer, Canadian-style, Medicare for all healthcare system. It's HR 676. Why don't you support it?"

Pelosi: "I've always supported single payer."

Health insurance companies will be eliminated, people will not have a choice, bureacrats will run the system, rationing will be necessary to pay the tab, and our healthcare will be ruined.

Obamacare
Why can't they de-regulate the providers by allowing them to sell insurance policies across state lines? Because that would be unconstittutional and against the states? So, to get around this, they have to implement a "national" health insurance plan. I wish someone would address this issue. In my state, several years ago, our legislators mandated coverage (a directive from federal gov.) for everything from a hangnail to a hairlip and all but two providers let the state. Health care premiums tripled and practically everyone had to find a new provider. Of course, the "market" they created was false and the competition they destroyed was "true." Eerily similar to what Obama proposes today.

Once done, the doctors will have unlimited access to our "tax" pockets along with the hospitals and lawyers. None of this can be good for our health care.

HE'S A LIAR
Therefore, I don't want him, his wife (the knuckle-dragging Aunt Jemima), or any of his other morally bankrupt Chicago friends determining the type of healthcare I will receive. It's quite simply NONE OF THEIR FRIGGIN BUSINESS what type of healthcare I receive.

According to the CBO

ObamaCare will cost $62,500 per person.

And, who was talking about spiraling costs?


Libtards, you go check it out before you make one comment.

And, Who Is Blocking The Real Agenda?
"Howie Klein has a rundown of all the money that the people who are blocking real reform in health care have received from the health care industry."

Arlen Specter (R-D- PA- $4,026,933)
Max Baucus (DLC- MT- $2,833,731)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY- $2,758,468)

"And when you just go right to Big Insurance, the non-presidential candidates who got the biggest legalized bribes were the 7 senators who have been tasked with the job of killing single-payer":

Ben Nelson (DLC-NE- $1,196,799)
Max Baucus (DLC- MT- $1,184,113)
Joe Lieberman (DLC- CT- $1,036,302)
Arlen Specter (R-D- PA- $1,035,530)
Chuck Schumer (D-NY- $981,400)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY- $929,207)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA- $884,724)

Obama does not have the votes in the Senate and he will be unable to achieve a single-payer system with only House Liberals.

Thank God.

Where's the birth certificate?
There is a solution to the Obama problem.

And if all of you really wanted to solve the Obama problem, you would be be active in forcing Obama - the fake POTUS - to release his long form birth certificate, his college transcripts, and his passport information.

Why whine, when you can help rid the nation of this facist fiend in president's clothing?

Simply visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com and get in on the fun. Save America.

WHERE'S THE Birth Certificate?

USPatriot56

us patriot 56
"WHERE'S THE Birth Certificate?"

Once again, President Hussein has intentionally not released a copy of his birth certificate. His strategy is to keep the 'Moron brigade' distracted.

Do you think his strategy is working?

USPatriot56
His birth certificate has been released you idiot. Get a life.

Patrick TX
The average life expectancy is much higher in countries with universal health care. Plus they are rank much higher in terms of quality of care in the world. The USA is way down on the list. FACT.

Life Expectancy
Life expectancy is much longer in countries with socialized medicine?


Life expectancy at birth:
U.S.A U.K. Cuba

(m/f) 75/80 77/81 75/7

Healthy life expectancy at birth:

U.S.A U.K. Cuba

(m/f) 67/71 69/72 67/70

Who is BO looking out for?

Senior citizens have Medicare. Vets have the VA. Disabled have Medicare.

That leaves younger people who are of working age and in good health with their children.

Within the younger group there are responsible people who work to support their families. Included is their health care.

The remaining people include younger healthy people.

BO is looking out for people who do not work and support their families even though they are young and healthy.

Why support these people, and who pays for it?

By the way, child tax credits are enough to cover much of a child health insurance.

Just who is BO trying to fool?

Free markets?
The US does not have a totally free market and hasn't for years. The govenment has had their hands in it and has been dictating things for too long, or at least bending it to their will. Take for example agriculture and the Farm bills, what a joke. Farmers have to jump through so many hoops and fill out a mountain of paperwork every year just so they can put a crop in the ground. The entire ag sector would be better off if the Farm Bill was done away with so that a truly free market could come in. Healthcare will not be any different if government is running it.

Go Obama
I heard the speech from Chicago this morning.
There were a few things I didn't agree with.
Like no caps on lawsuits. But I am SO GLAD

--TO FINISH --
I am SO GLAD that health care is finally, finally, finally being addressed in a sane
manner. It should have happened under
Clinton, but didn't. Now we have a second and
better chance. Let's not blow it.

I'm with you Tammy
The GOP seems determined to try to block health care reform, but it will happen. Even if it has to be done through the budget process to get around the filibuster, it will happen. And the GOP will be exposed for the liars they are when everybody who wants it still has their private health insurance in 2 years, at which point the dems will pick up 3-4 more seats in the senate and pass a permanent bill.

Another scheme taking from middle class

National health care is yet another scheme to take funds from hard working, responsible, middle class families to support irresponsible, people who refuse to support themselves and their families. It is a "share the wealth" scheme.

Democrats do not look out for the middle class.

Dr. Douglas said:
"We could easily fix the system and provide health care for everyone".

Everybody already has access to healthcare and are provided such. If a person walks into an emergency room, they have to be seen and treated regardless of their ability to pay- it is mandated by government under EMTALA in all 50 states.

Currently Medicare only pays 60% of the total cost of a hospitalization/ doctor's visit and the government is making further cuts on what it reimburses for healthcare. That leaves a big deficit for a provider that has to be made up somewhere. Universal healthcare would be no different and lots of hospitals, doctors, support staff would eventually lose their jobs because of the deficit created by a one payor system.

And if a lot of doctors/ hospitals aren't getting reimbursed for their costs because the government is now dictating what they will pay out, they can't pay their employees. A mass exodus of doctors, nurses and other skilled professionals will happen. The average citizen will be left to wait months to get in and see a doctor, longer yet to see a specialist just as is happening in Canada. Canadiens are flocking to the US for care because the waits are so long. What makes you think the same won't happen here? Open your eyes to the truth.

An idea whose time is past
Government provided healthcare was begun by Bismark in 19th century Prussia. European countries have found it unaffordable and are revising their plans. The Netherlands has drop;ped it compl;etely in favor of mandated private insurance. Some think the Netherlands is the most socialiat country. Why would we adopt a failed system? Also, the US is many times bigger than any state that has it.

I am most concerned about evidence that O is planning a holocaust on the elderly. Since seniors vote in great numbers, I think this also means we have seen our last free and fair election, Noone who meant to retain power by winning elections would be talking about rationing care to kill off the elderly.

Celeste
Canadians are not flocking here for health care. That is a right wing myth. They are not that dumb.

Celeste-NE
You cited "a Mass exodus" in Health Care providers if OB's *Dream* is implemented? Well, I can attest to that!! In my immediate Family three People, 2 MDs (1 Surgeon, 1 GP) and the third a Female NP) have all bailed out mostly citing the Low Fees dictated by Govt action..Now these Young people will have to try the VA, CDC and Teaching respectively. I am appalled to see that happen and to know that it is probably just the beginning!
Incidentally, LONG after retiring from the Military, after a Quarter Century +, I disagree with some of my Comrades-in-Arms Re the VA System!! I use the system exclusively (Seldom do I satisfy my Medicare Deduct.) and I find the OVERALL VA Care OUTSTANDING!.
I can only hope enough members of congress (Intentional small case) get their heads out of nether regions to nullify this Blatant attempt to FIX a Problem by Destroying the SYSTEM..BUT I DOUBT THAT

private doctors
Several of my friends now employ private physicians. For several thousand dollars per year per family member as a retainer, the doctor treats you either in your home or at a modest office. Yes! House calls!! No paperwork, no charges, no insurance claims just guaranteed medical services for one annual fee. I hear this is becoming more common.

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