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Saturday, May 02, 2009
Carl Horowitz :: Townhall.com Columnist
National Service: Now Bigger Than Ever
by Carl Horowitz
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Who could argue with so noble an idea as “national service?” On the surface, the idea is irresistible. By persuading people, especially youths, to voluntarily devote a portion of their lives to cleaning up city streets, working in homeless shelters, or mentoring children, to name a few worthy activities, we can convey moral responsibility to the next generation, broaden human experience, and make a positive difference in communities across America.

Underlying such noble intentions, however, is the reality that the track record of service programs has been less than stellar. And more problematic, “voluntary” service, as supporters themselves have admitted over the years in unguarded moments, contains more than a whiff of compulsion. That’s why, if fully realized, national service programs would capture an enormous portion of the entry-level labor market and, worse, militarize our national identity.

Such concerns weren’t in evidence at the April 21 signing ceremony of a bill, co-sponsored by Senators Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., and Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, to commit $5.7 billion over eight years to reauthorize and dramatically expand the AmeriCorps volunteer service program, among other initiatives. The measure, known as the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, had passed the House and Senate in late March by respective 275-149 and 79-19 margins after relatively sparse debate. The original House version, the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (GIVE), was led by Democrats George Miller (Calif.) and Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.), and Republicans Howard “Buck” McKeon (Calif.) and Todd Platts (Pa.).

“We need your service, right now, in this moment of history,” said President Obama in an urgent tone. “I’m asking you to stand up and play your part. I’m asking you to help change history’s course.” Senator Kennedy, speaking in support of the legislation bearing his name, announced, “Today, another young president has challenged another generation to give back to their nation,” a reference to his late brother, John F. Kennedy, who as president in 1961 prodded Congress into creating the Peace Corps.

President Obama chose the SEED School, a Washington, D.C. public boarding school for troubled low-income children, as the site of the ceremony. Among those in attendance were former President Bill Clinton, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former First Lady Rosalynn Carter. That same day the president nominated Maria Eitel, a Nike Inc. vice president, to run the Corporation for National and Community Service (CNCS), created in 1993 under President Clinton.

Supporters have something very ambitious in mind. For starters, the law would more than triple the number of available AmeriCorps volunteer slots from the current 75,000 to 250,000 by fiscal year 2017, with 50 percent or more of these positions eventually being full time. The measure also would tie college tuition aid to demonstrated favorable community impacts; create a pilot Social Innovation Fund; expand eligibility for the Senior Companion and Foster Grandparent programs; and expand participation by military veterans.

President Obama has made clear his view that we’re all in this together. In a guest editorial for the March 30 Time magazine, “A New Era of Service,” he wrote:

"(W)hile our government can provide every opportunity imaginable for us to serve our communities, it is up to each of us to seize those opportunities. To do our part to lift up our fellow Americans. To realize our own true potential by hitching our wagon to something bigger than ourselves."

But one has to wonder about the necessity of bringing the federal government into the fray. The desire to lend a helping hand remains well and alive. CNCS estimated that in 2007 some 61 million Americans volunteered a combined 8.1 billion hours of service through churches, schools, charities and other organizations. As corporation-funded activity constituted only a fraction of these figures, common sense should dictate that the new legislation has motives beyond volunteering.

National service in this country, in a real sense, is a long coda to John F. Kennedy’s 1961 inaugural exhortation: “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” Going back further, it also can be seen as an extension of philosopher William James’ famous 1906 address, “The Moral Equivalent of War.” In its current and presumably benign form, the focus is on voluntarism. But underneath, as always, the theme is obligation. Each of us, the argument goes, has a responsibility to give back to our country what we have received. The Peace Corps and its domestic equivalent, Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA), each were founded in the Sixties on this rock of collective moral reciprocity.

For years thereafter, national service advocates explicitly made their case along this line. Their ranks included not simply “liberals,” but also social conservatives in both major parties who viewed our nation as having swung too far toward individualism at the expense of civic duty. The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), formed after the 1984 election debacle, for example, was an explicit effort to move the party away from the Left. The authoritarianism underlying the DLC’s “centrism” came out clear in a 1988 council stating, “Only if it were mandatory and universal could national service impose a roughly equal burden on all citizens.”

The DLC was part of a larger intellectual infrastructure. Northwestern University sociologist Charles Moskos was, if anything, more forthright. At a Hoover Institution-sponsored symposium nearly two decades ago, “National Service: Pro & Con,” he argued: “We have a military to meet a pressing national need, not to mature young people or improve their character. The same standard must apply to civilian service.” He complained, with barely concealed disgust, that libertarian-conservatives and liberals each have come to “de-emphasize the role of the citizen duties in favor of a highly individualistic rights-based ethic.” In the same published volume, Rutgers University political scientist Benjamin Barber declared, “Service to the nation is not a gift of altruists but the duty of free men and women whose freedom is wholly dependent on and can survive only through the assumption of political responsibilities.” Donald Eberly, a social conservative and a key influence upon the formation of the Peace Corps, argued similarly, “So let us join the need with the resources and launch an updated version of (William) James’ moral equivalent of war.”

William James’ speech, unintentionally, constitutes perhaps the best case ever made against national service. Calling national service a necessary “blood-tax,” an equal sharing of “toil and pain and hardness,” he made clear militarism was no mere metaphor. He urged: “If now – and this is my idea – there were, instead of military conscription, a conscription of the whole youthful population…the injustices would tend to be evened out, and numerous other goods to the commonwealth would follow.” The desire for a civilian-military fusion has remained alive since. Congressman Pete McCloskey, R-Calif., an ex-Marine, introduced a proposal 30 years ago linking domestic citizen service with military preparedness. And Professor Moskos, a decorated Army veteran who died last year, made this admission to Time magazine in 1987: “If I could have a magic wand, I would be for a compulsory system.”

This sort of advocacy came to fruition in limited form in 1989. Members of Congress introduced a raft of service proposals, the most prominent of which was a bill co-sponsored by Sen. Sam Nunn, D-Ga., and Rep. Dave McCurdy, D-Okla., to require young adults to complete a full term of military or equivalent civilian service to be eligible for federal college aid. Toward this end, the measure proposed a massive employment program. National service, remarked Senator Nunn at the time, is “an idea whose time has come.” The Nunn-McCurdy plan, which in fact borrowed heavily from Moskos, gave way to the Bush administration’s less intrusive “thousand points of light” proposal, which provided financial support for local service organizations, but without paying wages.

The election of Bill Clinton (a former DLC head) as president triggered an expansion. In his first year in office, Congress, at his behest, created the Corporation for National and Community Service to put various programs under a common umbrella, subsidize college tuition for those completing service, and expand areas of program eligibility. One state, Maryland, already in 1992 had enacted a law mandating “service-learning” participation as a prerequisite for high school graduation. Clinton didn’t mask his intentions. In a September 1994 interview with USA Weekend he stated: “I would like to see every state adopt as part of its minimum school standards a community service requirement.” He didn’t get his wish, but CNCS-funded activity, during and after his presidency, became a juggernaut. The corporation now assists, directly or indirectly, some 4 million persons. This total includes not only 75,000 AmeriCorps members, but also nearly 500,000 Senior Corps volunteers, 1.1 million Learn and Serve America students, and 2.2 million additional community volunteers. President George W. Bush’s main legacy was to add a “faith-based” element to the mix.

The Obama-McCain race was a win-win proposition for advocates of national service. Obama’s goals, which he outlined in an editorial in the September 22, 2008 issue of Time, are now enshrined in the new Kennedy Act. But how different would things be if John McCain had been elected president? On the same page of that issue, the Arizona senator stated in his own guest op-ed, “Inspiring Citizens to Do More”:

"As President, I will create a Service to America initiative to bolster the teaching of American history and civics education and to inspire Americans to serve causes greater than their self-interest. Civic participation over a lifetime, working in neighborhoods and communities and service of all kinds – military and civilian, full-time and part-time, national and international – will strengthen America’s civic purpose."

In lieu of concerted opposition – a commodity in short supply – national service can be guaranteed to have a long life. But before leaping further we ought to take a quick look at the track record of the crown jewel of national service, AmeriCorps. Some examples:

• A General Accounting Office audit of 93 AmeriCorps grantees released in August 1995 found that “programs operated by nonprofit, state and local agencies received about $25,800 in cash and in-kind contributions per participant…in contrast to $31,000 for federal agency grantees.” That’s an expensive proposition either way.

• A study of the program for the nonprofit group monitoring organization, Independent Sector, found that AmeriCorps recruits showed only a 3.5 percent increase in hours of actual volunteer activity by participants.

• The program to some extent has politicized charitable activity. One early project was a $1.1 million grant to ACORN Housing Corporation, a subsidiary of President Obama’s favorite nonprofit group. Recruits were assigned to lobby for legislation, collect dues, register voters and engage in demonstrations. Abuses were so widespread that AmeriCorps’ Inspector General ordered the grantee to return the money. ACORN and similar groups no doubt are savoring the possibilities of huge infusions of federal money with minimum oversight.

Even more troubling than programmatic inefficiency is the latent intent of supplanting the private sector in attracting entry-level labor. Advocates of national service such as John Bridgeland, former director of President George W. Bush’s domestic policy council, insist that fears of the program politicizing charitable activity and adding to bureaucracy are way overblown. But from the start, the federal government has used AmeriCorps as a de facto low-wage hiring program, placing recruits in such agencies as the Department of Justice, the Environmental Protection Agency, and Legal Services Corporation. With the Obama White House seeking a boost in the Corporation for National and Community Service budget from the present $260 million to $1.3 billion in fiscal 2010, expect a lot more of this, especially given that the private sector isn’t exactly in a hiring mood right now.

National service advocates say service is a good way to gain valuable work experience and address national needs at the same time. But what is wrong with private-sector employers deciding which jobs need to be done and at what levels of compensation? Moreover, why should volunteer work of any sort require a subsidy? The very idea of voluntarism is at odds with acts of compulsion (i.e., taxation) to fund it.

Defenders of national service further insist that shortcomings are inevitable in any program; cherry-picking a few negative examples can’t disguise an overall pattern of success. To which one should respond: Yes, some of the money has done good. That is inevitable. But in the end it is not for government, least of all the federal government, to guide how people ought to donate their time and energy toward community betterment. Such volunteer programs “work” only because they have applied to a small portion of the nation. Full participation only can be achieved by compulsion.

The drive to infuse low-wage community service with patriotic impulses is nothing new. President Obama is merely the latest in a long line of advocates. His support for expansion of national service is heavily shaped by his own days as a community organizer. “I found my calling working in a community devastated by steel-plant closings,” he wrote last year. He wants service programs to enable millions of others to find their calling. Unfortunately, the line between service and servility is often blurred. The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act would blur it further.

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Carl F. Horowitz is director of the Organized Labor Accountability Project of the National Legal and Policy Center, a Townhall.com Gold Partner organization dedicated to promoting ethics in American public life.
 
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Induced Morality, a philosophic oxymoron
No see, my volunteer work in free clinics and foodbanks is not pure enough for Obama... I must have ulterior motives because, after all, in his "historic election", we have all come to realize that he is the only moral person in the entirety of the United States.

So you see, until I am being TOLD by Obama to volunteer, it is immoral; I'm just looking for a tax haven or trying to work off my guilt for being successful in a corrupt system. We all know a "moral" citizen obeys his government at all times. Right?

Sarcasm aside, whatever happened to the idea that morality induced by coercion is inferior to morality induced by personal choice? I prefer the Christian doctrine of "inherent sin", because it suggests that every person is moral because they choose to be that way... not because they are being offered money or be forced by the government.

Only those who lack perspective could see this as anything over than another one of Obama's narcissistic, thinly veiled power grabs.

Obama's Personal Guard
1) I can only hope the "National Service" official uniform doesn't include brown shirts.
2) We should be looking out to see if there is a de facto sliding scale of benefits, commensorate to the fidelity of the participants' political activity.

SERVING TIME
How about having all the 'non-violent' guests in our prisons given the privilege of being 'worthwhile and productive' in our society? NOT in Acorn, mind you, but in 'law abiding' ways.

EVENTUALLY
The majority of Americans will 'wake up' from their stupor and the liberal left will indeed need the shield of a Domestic Security Force.

You Will be Assimilated
An interest video is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0B7dOQwKm0

It shows Rahm Emanuel discussing the 'voluntary' nature of the civil service for all 18 to 25 year olds.

What is service to the country?
I don't suppose that assisting the care of abortion surviving babies will be on the agenda anytime soon.

Step one: militarize and discipline youth to respond to the state instead of their parents and churches.

Step two: give them orders to help citizens move into a nanny state for compfort and security.

Step Three: Change the nanny state into a Uncle Joe Stalin state -where the children become agents of the state to work (Spy etc.) against family and God -and of course, freedom.

Step Four:give them the brown shirts at graduation -with rainbow patches on the sleeves.

Step six: Hell on Earth.

When Will The Insanity End
The ignorant will volunteer to lead the way for the indigent AND ignorant? LMAO In other words, the blind will lead the blind! The trolls ought to stay in their own villages because they won't be welcome in my town.

Beware oBUMa Brownshirts
Awaken from your collective torpor America!

The enemy IS at the proverbial gates, over and under the gates and already infesting the country... in hordes. Once they are legalized this once great nation will be unalterably damaged forever.

The real enemy,however, sits not at the gates, but in the Oval Office. oBUMa, the Great Mountebank and Charlatan Extraordinaire, is attacking the very fabric of the country, gleefully shredding it asunder and publicly revelling in what he has managed to accomplish in so short a time. As he deconstructs the Republic one piece at a time, enabling his brand of Alinsky socialism, we, the populace, are divided into two camps - the cultists in the Cult of Celebrity, who, in their total ignorance, continue to cheer him own as he destroys the country from within, and the second camp, those who see him for what he is and are appalled by what he is and what he has done so far.
The Barbarians, led by the Barbarian-In-Chief, are in full destruct mode. If the country does not rouse itself it will soon no longer be the USA but DOA.

Incoherence
We've had a compulsory national-service program since the earliest days of the Republic -- taxation. Ideally taxes underwrite essential, i.e., constitutional functions of the federal government and go no farther. If this program worked as the Founders intended, no other program, no declaration of the Moral Equivalent of War, would be required. The federal government would hire private contractors for its projects, as when it builds roads or courthouses, and leave everything else to the states or the people. (Military conscription might've been needed during World War II, but we're fighting two land wars in Asia without it.)

Taxation has been so perverted, however, and the states and people have grown so accustomed to encroachment by the federal government that there's no strong opposition to other kinds of compulsory national service. While we wait to see whether O'Blahblah is creating another Tonton Macoutes or just a more bloated CCC, we should ponder his mixed messages and conflicting agendas:

1. He is determined to reduce federal taxpayers to an absolute electoral minority. This might keep Democrats in power for a long while, but it won't pay the bills.

2. A stack of new bills will come from the scheme of mandatory paid volunteerism described in this column. Growing a new class of federal employees/dependents while damming a major revenue stream is ridiculous.

3. To defray the shortfall, he's trying to discourage true altruism, such as charitable giving. His favored nonprofits needn't worry about impoverishment, though. They'll get larger subsidies extracted from the remaining taxpayers.

4. While militarizing the whole country and making nearly everything from hand-washing to recycling a MEOW, he's gutting the only branch of the federal goverment that should be militarized (the military).

As we search for an explanation, we should remember that conspiracy and lunacy aren't mutually exclusive.

Obama's National Police Force
When he gets our children together indoctrination will be easy. Do you really trust this man who claims to be our President but is spending a lot of money to keep from having to produce his original birth certificate, with your young impressionable children? At first this program was to be called a national police force but now he calles it a more politically acceptable term.
Americans are the most generous volinteers in the world, but we should not turn over our children to this man.

City Year
Have you seen the "City Year" commercial on TV? It gives me the creeps. It reminds me of the "Hitler Youth Corps", all those kids doing calisthenics in unison wearing their red jacket uniforms with "City Year" on the back.

Service to Country
We had the military draft and most of those who served voluntarily or were drafted, don't regret their service. Those who served with the Peace Corp, VISTA or worked for civil rights, don't regret their service.
Those of us born Americans are very lucky. We could have been born Somalis. For a nation, an idea of democracy, freedom, liberty, etc., is worth a small portion of our lives in contributing to the greater good.
Graduating high school or dropping out, 2-3 years service to the military or to other acceptable organizations is not really asking too much. Few, at these ages, really know what they want to do in life and even if they do, again the time requested is but a brief moment in our mortality.
Some will perhaps make careers in the military or continue donations of their time in service to country and fellow Americans. None of this prohibits individual choice; no more than grabbing them for compulsory education. This can make a difference and I would support it.
Today, we have too many, including (especially) politicians, greedy for what they can get from life without shame for the hurt and destruction they cause.

Brilliant Analysis
It also sounds a lot like those forced labor programs in Red China. Some third world nations mimicked it. They start out nice enough - Gee, is two hours out of your Saturday so much to ask? You will help make the cities and towns look so nice. Soon enough, people became aware that you shirk this "community yard work" on pain of prison and fines. BHO is closer to creating a coerced labor program.

AmeriCorps
As a mother of young children in school, I was an AmeriCorps volunteer under the Clinton administration. I thought it would be a good part-time job while the kids were in school. We were sent to Atlanta twice for "training". I'd call it indoctrination. At one dinner, the speaker, an African American educator, spent most of his time talking about how the "white man" had kept the "black man" down. Workshops were solidly anti-conservative and one was even anti-Christian. I decided to make the best of a bad situation and organized a summer reading program in my small community, but as soon as I could, I got out. AmeriCorps is a liberal indoctrination program pure and simple. On the one hand, I regret ever being involved with it...on the other hand, I'm glad I'm able to get the word out. Don't let your young people get caught up in this brain-washing. It's dangerous.

All great comments
Like Loislane, I worked for Americorp but in a support position. I've never been around so many snively-butt, whiny, lazy, shiftless, clueless, young people in my life. They all had two things in common - they loved Clinton, and hated me; constantly trying to get me fired.

One day a group of "volunteers" noticed the facsimile plate on the front bumper of my '79 Scout, a Viet Nam Campaign Ribbon, and asked what it was. I told them it signified my skinny butt being drafted to serve in SE Asia in the place of Clinton's cowardly fat butt. They were dumbfounded that anyone would think or say such a thing about their Dear Leader.

My favorite story is about one girl, a college graduate who got a big fat envelope from home one day. It was from "Daddy" congratulating her upon her successful completion of 4 years of higher learning (which he forked over big bucks for, no doubt) and wishing her well as she strikes out into the world on her own. "And by the way, here is your car payment book and insurance premium."

The look on her face was priceless! I could see the calculator clicking away in her brain - how in the heck was she going to pay her bills working for barely more than minimum wage? Even with free room and board, paid for by the gubmint, she didn't make enough to pay for her brand new Suzuki Suicide.

She moped and groused for several days, bemoaning the fact that she had declined some nice offers of employment to "volunteer" but I think she finally persuaded "Daddy" to carry her a little longer.

She wasn't especially bright, and I doubt if she "found" herself that year, but happily a few did. Real life has a nasty tendency to smack you up along side the head, IF you pay attention and jettison the brain washing.

$.02
“The measure also would tie college tuition aid to demonstrated favorable community impacts…”

Let me see if I understand the thinking here. Obama’s plan is to tax citizens of the United States to the point where they can no longer finance their own educations thus forcing them to turn to the National Socialist Government for assistance.

They confiscate our money, loan it back to us at interest, plus force us into indentured servitude as defined in Webster’s New Millennium Dictionary of English: “a person who is bonded or contracted to work for another for a specified time, in exchange for learning a trade…”

Slavery by any other name…

Loislane; people should listen to you
You have hit it and confirmed by fears. I had some limited contact with Americorps and they acted like a bunch of punch drunk liberals. My problem is that these organizations are obviously going to be left wing and indoctrination prone. Look at the public education institutions in the USA. About 90% are liberal run and they continually attempt to control assembly, free speech, and free practice of religion. From what I understand the new standards for being in Americorps is a restriction on religious activities. I really fear that we will eventually have people knocking on our doors dressed in the proverbial brownshirts. Heil Hitler!

Previously posted
under Robert Knight's article on this subject yesterday. I understand I only have personal anecdotes to offer, but my perception and discernment is quite good.

I was employed as support personel for Clintons "volunteers" - Americorps. The stated goals were high minded and laudatory, but in practice, the purpose was to create little greenie automatons. People who all voted for Obama, no doubt.

The program manager, Gary Burden, and I did daily battle with these young people, attempting to give them a clue. Alas, he passed away half way through the program and I was left to fend for myself. He once lamented how he could bottle our work ethic (his and mine) and infuse it into this shiftless bunch we were running herd on.

I did have a half dozen or so "graduates" of this year long boondoggle, come up to me as they were leaving and tell me, "I GET IT! Thank you."

I was stunned by this as most had been quite hostile, in spite of everything I did personally to make their lives easier.

Additional note in response to Joel and Vince. When Gary died, the State of AZ rushed in with grief councilors to aid these "poor" young people in accepting death and loss. It was pretty much mandatory that I participate although there was no there, there. Nothing about faith, Jesus, resurrection or even a Higher Power. All touchy-feely, liberal pap and pablum - same as what is shoveled out to school kids on a daily basis.

We've Done This Before
Pres Wilson and Pres Roosevelt did this; Americans were spying on each other, Americans were arrested and jailed, newspapers were shut down,and more. This is nothing new, it is simply another of Obama's attempts to push his progressive agenda, and gain power and control over American citizens.Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, Pol-Pot did it. Chavez, Castro Achmadinijad, Putin (all Obama's new friends) are doing it now. The good news- since 2008 hundreds of millions of guns and ammunition have been purchased by American citizens- most since Obama's election. As Jack Kennedy said " those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable".

My Thoughts : Simple Common sense
Very Interesting Article . ''Anyone" knowing Obama past life would see this as "Nothing More " other than a updated hidden AGENDA and new version in caring about poor Folks heavily cloaked as a future ACORN who has a bad name now ... If not Obama would just ad them to ACORN since Obama gave ACORN 4 Billion dollars to recruit more hopefully future Socialist for Votes .
Well Knowing Obama years in ACORN and so called Community activism with radical left Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers his mentors .
ACORN is nothing more than a fraudulent Vote getter group for far left anti War , Minorities , Liberal and Socialist causes .
This Million unknowing well meaning young minds would end up being and doing that against America as well .
He who trust Obama also Trust Bill Ayers being paid Millions by the Annenberg Foundation in the name of caring about Children . Who is teaching them to hate America his own Text revealed and nothing more while he wears his Red little C ... T shirts .
Obama was part of that Bill Ayers teaching in Chicago in the early to mid 90.s . need we forget ,
Sam

I want Some
Please tell me where I can get paid for volunteering!!!!!!!!!!.What a stupid joke that's not funny,but is truly another political stunt.It's the same old gimme!gimme!gimme!Mister or Madam Politician.

Precedents for compulsory "service"
Most proponents of so-called "voluntary" national service-- who unforutnately exist both on the left and the right-- seem to view "voluntary" service only as a stopgap until they can achieve compulsory "service" for everyone.These advocates claim and perhaps believe that their proposals are rooted in American patriotism. But as I see it, the "national service" idea is deeply "un-American," and is akin rather to the policies of three now-defunct states; Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and the Confederate States of America.

Nazi Germany held as a central principle that the "common good" was more important than individual rights and freedoms, and that the state did not exist for the sake of the people, but rather the people exist for the sake of the state and must "earn" their right to exist by obediently serving the state (that is, the government). This is also the premise of "national service" as an obligation of everyone.

Soviet Russia was based on the idea that indiividuals purusuing their own goals in a free-market economy were not as economically efficient and productive as people working under the compulsion of government politicians and bureaucrats. This is also a premise of "national service".

And the Confederacy was based on the idea that some people can rightfully be enslaved-- forced to work under compulsion and for litle or no compensation-- for the good of others. The Confederates enslaved people of a particular race, and the slaves were "owned" by individuals. Advocates of compulsory "national service" want to enslave people of a particular age, and the slaves would be "owned" by the government; "socialized" slavery rather than "private-enterprise" slavery, as it were. But still, as long as people are forced to work ultimately at the point of a gun, a form of slavery

"Volunteering"
Paying for "volunteers" is bad enough, but the fact that many of our schools require "voluntary service" in order to graduate is even worse. It is involuntary servitude (aka slavery) when someone is required to perform a service for others without monetary compensation. To coerce a High School student to perform x hours of "community service" for nothing, with loss of the student's diploma as the penalty for failing to serve the time, is a great way to impart the lesson that government controls your life. Most colleges and universities also have instituted such requirements in order to get that high priced degree.

What have we come to? Why do the sheep put up with this sort of loss of liberty? No matter how noble the goal, the end simply does not justify the means (as usual).

Another brilliant Democratic strategy
If you want to know why Democrats are poised to decimate the Republican Opposition Party and chage this country into a one-party liberal extravaganza. Here is but one example. All dressed up in "public service" is a recruiting tool for the Democratic Party. Make government service easier than working for the failed private sector and voila, more government workers, fewer private sector workers, more public sector union members, more Democrat voters. What's not to like? If you're a Democrat.

And the end of free enterprise in America

http://www.periodictablet.com

Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act
voluntary selective service system,
voluntary income tax,
try to voluntarily opt out of either.

can you send one of these nice pioneering youths over to mow my lawn?

adios,
ab
lancaster, prop8ifornia
push 1 for gringo english dimwits!

got Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill?

Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act 2
or perhaps some of our volunteers could teach the eddies how to drive across a bridge without someone dying.
i know, i know. i will be on the first boxcar.


'Don't think that we are not keeping score?'
(President Obama scournful comment to a democratic party senator)

ab
lancaster, greater aztlan (all hail motezuma)
push 1 for english

coerced volunteerism?
National army of coerced young volunteers? Just keep your eyes open, it will get worse!

Americorps
This insanity will never end if all we do is write to blogs. We need to get mad, get out and beat the socialists at the polls. We need to get back at least a filibuster-minority in 2010. If Obama gets one Supreme court liberal when a conservative dies or leaves, it is all over. Democrats will control everything. And if you think ACORN and Americorps is bad, just you wait and see. Dictatorship.

http://www.periodictablet.com

WAIT JUST A DARN MINUTE
I served as a volunteer in the US Peace Corps in the 1990's and found it to be very rewarding and felt I had helped. However, there are always some who are in a group that are there for themselves. One lady told me she had joined so she could travel and that is about all she did for two years. There were many others who gave a lot of their time, their knowledge and experiences to be of service in a third world country, all of which was gratefuly received.

The down side of the Peace Corps was the government paperwork and in-country staff members who lived well. They lived in villas and drove government supplied SUV's, and sought any publicity they could get. As a volunteer I was paid $300.00 per month and lived in a small room efficiency aptartment with no telephone or TV, which did not bother me for two years. However, any government sponsored program will always have over the top expenditures for it's staff. Count on it. Look at our congressmen with lifetime benefits after serving one term in office. What a deal!




Civic duty
I'm a social conservative, but the idea that one has a "civic duty" to be a public servant is silly. I happen to believe in the individual rights ethic described above, but I also believe in individual responsibilities. I am obligated not to go around killing my neighbors, stealing their things, treating them poorly, etceteras. However, in no way then am I obligated to proactively improve their lives.

I do believe in encouraging public virtue, but it is virtue as it pertains to the individual -- the avoidance of temptation or destructive tendencies which other people inevitably become burdened in dealing with the fallout (e.g. drunken driving, drug use, etc), and some censorship of the sheer barbarism that is witnessed on television. However, the government has no helpful role in charity because it cannot be charitable. It can only confiscate, since charity stems from a genuine good will towards one's fellow man instead of a legal obligation.

What's the basis in Law
For such a criminal organization?

That is what this will be, a criminal organization as there is no authority under the law for such a program to be paid for by the Citizens.

This organization will be for the personal use of the Obama Marxists.

They will be political activists more than some "moral" responsible group.

I will refer to them as the Obama Youth, same function as the Hitler Youth.

I see nothing but trouble ahead for this nation since this Marxist fraud has obtained office through fraud

so funny
Mr. Barnum how did you not rule the world when you knew, KNEW!, that a sucker is born every minute. Yes, suckers, those who choose to plod along unthinkingly and leading the unexamined life will fall for volunteerism, but really the premis is so absurd it's laughable. OK, so the government is going to take my money which I haven't volunteered to give to others to use for what they, non-government people are going to do. How am I volunteering there? Further how is the federal government taking my money for something that is acknowledged as not being a function of the government? Do I cry or laugh? Most of all do the people putting this forward really believe this tripe.
The salvation army, red cross, united way, the boy scouts, girl scouts, heck AA and multitudes of organizitions have been able to make their way and do good, all without the government being involved. The patent dishonesty of those who enact this legislation is enough to merit their removal from office, but alas too many prefer being lied to. It often serves as a balm for their conscience to be able to say that good is being done with their money, while they themselves are free to carry on in life really with no true concern for man.

Hmm...
Stoic Patriot writes:

"However, in no way then am I obligated to proactively improve their lives" in regards civic duty, the responsibility to the community.

That's true - in America it's perfectly acceptable to leech off of the service of others.

But for many youngsters, that way of doing things isn't attractive anymore. They're sick of the culture of greed that began in this country post-WWII and they're looking for ways to be and do good.

I have a really hard time seeing what the problem is there. This isn't a top-down mandate - the people really want it; the kids really want it.

Horowitz asks:
"But what is wrong with private-sector employers deciding which jobs need to be done and at what levels of compensation?"

What's wrong there is the private-sector tells kids they should flip burgers for pennies to line the pockets of multi-nationalists with awesome tax lawyers. The kids know all about it.

They don't mind making pennies while they're still young, but if they're going to rough it they want to do some good and improve their community or the lives of the less fortunate.

IMHO, this is a twisted argument that stems for Obama Derangement Syndrome. How can an honest person look at the desire to serve the community as sinister?

At worst...Pink Brigades
Loislane #15 said it well. This thing sounds like a Trojan horse......indoctriation and waste of time for the most part.

Then when things get really desparate, this could become like Mao's youth corp. When Ted Kennedy is for it, I am suspicous.

To Edward
Have you ever taught in a high school? I have. You are worried that students might jeopardize their academic education by participating in a community service program? Here's a bulletin: a huge number of kids already jeopardize their academic education by taking as few courses as they can possibly get away with and leaving school at noon so they can WORK---not at a volunteer job, but usually for very low pay from Corporate America---who did you think was waiting on trade at McDonald's? And is it that these kids are desperately poor and need to earn a little money to help out at home? God, no. The kids I taught were all from an upper middle-class suburb with one of the highest per-family incomes in the United States. No indeed---here's what the kids needed the money for: their CARS. And what did they need the cars for? To get to WORK. So if you think that tutoring children or doing home repairs for the elderly is a stupid waste of time, but flipping burgers, cruising around in a car, and hanging out at the mall buying silly crap is character-building, then, yes, I can understand that you would oppose a national service corps.

To anglers
Aren't there already programs in which nonviolent offenders do useful work outside their cells?

BTW about ten years ago I was living in a community that used community funds to pay homeless people $7 an hour to clean up the streets (nothing fancy---a push-broom and a dustpan, as I recall). The homeless people loved the program because it gave them a little spending money. The streets got clean. There was a waiting list of homeless people trying to get on the program.

Great Idea
How about if it starts by signing up all of the folks who receive food stamps, welfare and public housing benefits so that they too can feel as if they are giving back to society?

The Big O doesn't want volunteers
O wants Brown Shirts he can stir up to *spontaneously demonstrate* like the ACORN shills did against AIG.

After all, Big Al Sharpton uses professional marches, why shouldn't the Big O have an entire nation paid for by Cong. tax monies at his beck and call?

Depressing
And, both our Republican Georgia senators voted in favor of this mess. At least my congressman did not.

I have a question or two
I just sent a letter to the "Times Examiner" a local Conservative Weekly to which I subscribe, concerning this very subject. As per the editorial, it seems that Obama wants to aim this at Students who receive government aid for their education and they will be required to spend three months in this group and it specifically states that there can be absolutely no attachment to anything religious even in their off free time. No Bible study, no buildings used for anything religions at all nor can they be associated with anything religous. Now one thing that is puzzling other than that, is in it's name" the V for Volunteerism. Now if its for volunteerism for this group why ARE the government loan student mandated to do it?
Could this possibly be a closed camp for indoctination as was the Hitler Youth Camps?

Edward Kennedy National Service
Corp???? Would that be a bunch of scantily clad, nubile young ladies bringing ole Ted his favorite beverage?

This whole thing has the air of politcal correctness and indocoration being the #1 priority of those faceless bureaucrats who will be in charge!!!

Loislane's adventure in Americorp should serve as a sober reminder that the left does not see politics as simply governing but as the vehicle to impose their deepest quasi-religious beliefs. Indeed all must become educated about the evils of corporate America, the horrible homophobes and racists that call themselves Christians. All must be learn of the spotless soul of the enlightened one aka Barack Obama. Yes the same messiah who looked us all in the eye and told us we had lost our souls under torturer Bush but he and he alone would see to our redemption.

The man without any type of morality when it comes to protecting the unborn and who called the klan with a tan his home church for twenty three years can with a snide grin on his lips talk to America about losing its moral compass? The man has no shame and 53 out of 100 voting Americans have no idea what they have done.

When will a child stand up and say "The emporer has no clothes"?




The author is right!
He starts by saying "Who could argue with so noble an idea as “national service?” On the surface, the idea is irresistible. By persuading people, especially youths, to voluntarily devote a portion of their lives to cleaning up city streets, working in homeless shelters, or mentoring children, to name a few worthy activities, we can convey moral responsibility to the next generation, broaden human experience, and make a positive difference in communities across America."

I learned this from Mom and Dad and it was cemented in Sunday school. Bottom line: Whether you like church or not, nothing instills a sense of morality like the understanding that someone else knows what you are up to when you are bad. Call it God or call it a higher power----it's all the same when it comes to understanding that everything you do affects someone else in some way is the key to teaching children that no action takes place without a reaction whether it be God's or the universe's.

And it ain't about responsibility----it's about accountability, a concept unknown in our current governments.

What is wrong ...

With National(Socialist)Service? The youngsters are trained and disciplined, learn to sing songs of praise for their(dear)leaders, wear clean white robes with bright green trim, learn a foreign (Arabic) language so as to teach their parents the language of their betters... It all sounds SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sweet and innocent.

For those of you who get the sarcasim ... Fight the Obamanation!

And this differs from Selective Service?
The difference between conscription and slavery is... nothing.

In the military, having someone on your side that doesn't want to be there is worse than an empty slot. The same is true for "charitable" service. Just ask the groups who get people working off community service just how valuable it is.


Voluntary service
Horowitz paints with too broad a brush when he says "...the track record of service programs has been less than stellar..."

He may be correct in regard to domestic service programs, I wouldn't know; but I do know he's incorrect concerning the Peace Corps.

For more than 48 years (and via nearly 195,000 Volunteers) the Peace Corps has done an outstanding if far from perfect job of accomplishing its original three stated goals.

How do I know the Peace Corps has done well? Because I served as Volunteer in Group Liberia One, 1962-4.

If the knee-jerk haters among us of any & everything the gov't does disapprove of my Peace Corps service, there's this: I also served as a Lieutenant, 1st Infantry Division, Viet-Nam, 1966-7 & as a Captain in the 101st Airborne in Viet-Nam, 1969-70. And was seriously WIA 22 January 1970.

While I'm far more proud to have worn Uncle's uniform in Viet-Nam than I am to have been a Peace Corps Volunteer I remain deeply pleased with my Peace Corps experience.

William
Thank you for your service in both capacities. I think most Americans that learned from WWII-Korean generation parents when President Kennedy created his programs recognize the need for civic duty. But back then you either joined the Peace Corp or the military. I was a low number in the draft lottery after high school in 1972 and attempted to qualify through a series of physical, medical and scholastic tests given at the local Air Force base to qualify for the Congressman's appointment to one of the military academies. Unfortunately I was not selected for that and of course the draft was suspended with the peace negotiations with the Vietnamese in 1973 so military service was not mandatory for me.

Since my Marine dad insisted my choice was to go to college as ROTC or a student but not enlisting as a grunt. I would love to have had an opportunity to immediately serve the country in some entry level position even military support for a two year mandatory period.

Today, I think with the issues at public schools these days that will be the only way to get kids considering their civic responsibilities. Its a shame BO doesn't use his inspiring communication skills for a unifying message instead of the divisive anti-Bush one he's still using leading the leftwing controlled dims. Now his service message in the context of his wealth re-distribution and one world vision looks suspicious and frightening. His suggestion of a civilian military force is very mysterious considering we already have the National Guard. While many conservatives think of mandatory service is some kind of indentured servitude it is necessary for the survival of the country.


William Part II
There are many basic needs that can be filled by physically and mentally capable youth at minimum wage to gain college credits without massive spending increases but actually reducing the civil servants and bureaucracy with a steady flow of data entry admins. Incentivize graduation by making it mandatory to join the military if you drop out of school. Otherwise you have all other options on the table after graduation. You avoid propaganda by making sure at least two leaders of any group have different political philosphies.

Reminds Me Of Hitler Youth
My dad, an involuntary 'volunteer' for that social service organization described Hitler Jugend as Boy Scouts with guns. They did a fair amount of social work, too. And they produced fanatically loyal young Nazis.
The idea that you owe the State something is fascistic, period. The idea that you may be moved to VOLUNTEER your time and money to accomplish social service is virtuous.
With all the constraints of loans, graduate school, and so on the ability of young couples to start families and create the real building block of society, the family, is already delayed past natural times. This would only make it worse. It's a sugar coated poison pill. And the reported requirement that no religious activities be engaged in for three months (or more) is unacceptable to Christians, Jews, and Moslems. What a curious requirement! What do you suppose they are trying to accomplish?

William-CO
I, too, Commend U on ALL Ur SVC. I had three tours during the Vietnam Episode.. I do NOT have a very positive opinion of the Peace Corps but I really don't have enough direct knowledge. My impressions at the time, 60s, was that the Peace Corps was for Draft Dodgers. In fact, I THINK that is how We here in the hills inherited Jay Rockefeller..Certainly glad he didn't bring Chris Matthews with him!! I know, BAD JOKE..CHEERS

Vague and Unmeasurable
Every volunteer program for the needy of our society uses the same terminology: "Help", "Reach out to", "Encourage", "Support", "Improve", etc. Anything can be justified by such vague terminology. How do we taxpayers know whether they are successful? Do they really help people to help themselves? Do they create life changing transformations on a reliable scale (not just one or two cherry-picked, overblown stories)?

If we are going to have to pay for a program, we ought to have some measurable way to decide which ones are worth the money and which ones aren't. And we have to decide the criterion for assessing the value of a program. And for goodness sake, let's stop paying for programs that don't work!

I doubt that our elected officials think this way. They don't get more votes by cancelling programs, after all. They don't care about saving money, just spending it so they can look like they are getting something done.

Remember!
The Fed Gov. is for national security and nothing else.
All other social programs are for the states to sponser if their citizens want it and can support it. Take back your states rights as discribed in the founding documents.
Nominate your local state politicans who will demand states rights and Fed gov. go sit in the corner and shut up.
Get rid of the great divider, fed. income tax.
Impose 25% state sales tax and the state will send proportinal amount to feds to cover national security. The rest of the revenues are for the states to use as the citizens want.
IHATETAX
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