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Saturday, March 21, 2009
Carl Horowitz :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama Raising Keynes
by Carl Horowitz
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The $787 billion economic stimulus package passed and signed into law last month had any number of co-sponsors in Congress, but in a real sense its main author was someone deceased for more than 60 years: John Maynard Keynes. The measure, and proposals subsequent to it, represent a tribute to a highly flawed, though highly original thinker. They also speak of a larger ongoing and recent pendulum shift in theory and policy.

Much has been written, and deservedly so, about President Obama’s sense of racial grievance; his radicalism; his circle of Chicago friends and fixers; and his intense identification with Abraham Lincoln. Yet only recently that level of attention has been given to his worldview, all but in name Keynesian, to the current economic crisis. The president and his neo-Keynesian top economic advisers – Lawrence Summers, Timothy Geithner and Christina Romer – have made clear by their actions that they view the private sector, left to its own devices, as incapable of sufficiently investing in education, health care, infrastructure, energy and other areas of national well-being. They warn that in absence of a greatly expanded public sector, the current business downturn will be even more prolonged and painful.

In his February 24 speech to Congress, Obama remarked, “Now is the time to jump-start job creation, restart lending, and in invest in areas like energy, health care and education that will grow our economy, even as we make hard choices to bring our deficit down.” Coming from a president, such words sound familiar. Bill Clinton incessantly justified his domestic program proposals as “investments.” George W. Bush didn’t, but he arguably did more in his last half-year in office to socialize the U.S. economy than any administration (including his own) had done during the previous 40 years. Actions speak louder than words.

Barack Obama, contrary to his manicured image as a “pragmatist,” is marked by certitude and grand vision. His flag is of bold colors, not pale pastels, and flies leftward. He’s making explicit, and seeks to make permanent, the ad hoc “new” New Deal instituted by his predecessor. By election eve, the Keynes revival already was well in evidence. Writing in Time magazine (November 3, 2008), columnist Justin Fox observed:

What we are seeing now in Washington and other world capitals is fear we might be headed for an economic collapse caused by a collapse of demand caused by a collapse of credit. Confronted with that threat, governments seemingly cannot help turning to the remedy formulated by Keynes during the dark years of the early 1930s: stimulating demand by spending much more than they take in, preferably but not necessarily on useful public works like highways and schools.

He’s not the only pundit taking notice. “(T)he Keynesians are back – and economists across the spectrum are calling for government spending,” observed National Public Radio’s Adam Davidson and Alex Blumberg on the January 29 edition of “All Things Considered.” Progressive-left economist Jeff Madrick a year ago triumphantly declared our country to be at “the end of the age of Milton Friedman.”

All the signs are present: Keynes is making a comeback. For nearly three decades, the founding figure of modern macroeconomics had been in eclipse among economists and politicians taking their advice. Now that he’s taken center stage once more, a brief re-acquaintance would be in order.

John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946) was a Renaissance man, something even his foes concede. Educated at Eton and King’s College, Cambridge, he began as a mathematician, doing pioneering work on probability theory and earning the praise of Bertrand Russell. He was a Bloomsbury wit, a renowned art collector and a multimillionaire investor. About that last one, he made a fortune in the stock market, lost it in the Great Crash of 1929, and made it back again through bargain investing that could have served as a model for Warren Buffett. But it is his legacy as an economist, whether with the British government or with Cambridge, for which he is remembered.

Keynes’ best insights – and he did have some sound ones – tended to go unheeded. He warned, to no avail, of the consequences of imposing crushing reparations debt upon the defeated Germany following World War I. Had the victorious allies taken his advice at Versailles, the Germans most likely would not experienced civil war, runaway inflation, loss of national confidence and the rise of Adolf Hitler. And in 1925 he urged Chancellor of the Exchequer Winston Churchill not to return Britain to a prewar gold-based fixed monetary exchange rate. Churchill went ahead with his restoration plan anyway; Britain’s economy, and Churchill’s political career, each were worse for it.

“Keynesianism” would flower during the 1930s. Like all ideas, for better or worse, it has to be placed in historical context. John Maynard Keynes sought a way to stimulate investment at a time when it seemed to have evaporated. Here in the U.S. the situation had grown dire. Unemployment rose from a little over 3 percent in 1929 to 25 percent in 1933. Automobile production fell by 75 percent from a peak of 5 million. The M1 money supply (cash plus checks) contracted by 25 percent. Successful investors – which included Churchill as well as Keynes – took deep losses. People hoarded money in the face of price deflation. In absence of velocity, all the money in the world would be useless.

Government, Keynes argued, possessed the means to reignite investment and consumer spending. Yet he was not a socialist in the conventional sense. He cautioned that government should be the spender of the last resort. And he made no secret of his dislike of Marxism. In his 1931 book, Essays in Persuasion, Keynes wrote: “How can I accept the Communist doctrine, which sets up as its bible, above and beyond criticism, an obsolete textbook which I know not only to be scientifically erroneous but without interest or application to the modern world?” Moreover, inasmuch as he laid the foundation for a “Third Way,” he was an admirer of the classical liberal tradition. His defining work, The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money (1936), referred to John Locke as “the great Locke.” That work bore the unmistakable influence of Bernard Mandeville’s Fable of the Bees, an early 18th-century allegorical poem which in recent decades has acquired libertarian cult status (it’s the one about private vices becoming public benefits). And though Keynes made clear his opposition to his great free-market rival, Friedrich Hayek, he wrote of Hayek’s 1944 work, The Road to Serfdom: “In my opinion it is a grand book…Morally and philosophically I find myself in agreement with virtually the whole of it: and not only in agreement with it, but in deeply moved agreement.”

Keynes saw classical theory as valuable, but limited in its ability to convey the larger picture. Without an alternative set of explanations, nations forever would lack the tools to mitigate and prevent depressions. “General theory,” as he called his thinking, could fill in the gaps of classical liberalism, in the process immunizing capitalism from overthrow.

The master word in Keynes’ arsenal was “aggregate.” Seen as separate entities, he argued, individuals and firms behave in rational ways. But as components of a national aggregate, they often behave highly irrationally, especially during a steep downturn. People being possessed a herd instinct – “animal spirits,” as he called them – they prefer short-term to long-term thinking. Thus, he argued, if an individual sees others as unwilling to invest or spend, that person likewise will be reluctant. This “paradox of thrift” is why people hoard even against their best judgment. Breaking the impasse would require long-term coordination of fiscal and monetary policy by a single entity; i.e., a central government.

The late Robert Heilbroner, in his classic book, The Worldly Philosophers, likened the Depression to a stuck elevator. “Rather than a seesaw which would always right itself,” he wrote, “the economy resembled an elevator: it could be going up or down, but it could also be standing perfectly still. And it was just as capable of standing still on the ground floor as at the top of the shaft.” Keynes purportedly had the antidote to this “stickiness”: centralized management of capital, credit and savings to achieve overall equilibrium. Properly synchronized, macroeconomic policy could end the Great Depression and guard against new ones. For him, general theory could conquer that age-old bugaboo, the business cycle.

Contrary to popular misconception, the administration of Franklin Roosevelt had little use for Keynes. Indeed, more than once it earned his rebuke. General theory would not become the accepted basis for economic forecasting and planning until the immediate aftermath of World War II, during which time Keynes died.

Did his ideas work? Neo-Austrian economist Robert Higgs argues they assuredly did not. Keynesianism merely gave the impression of working, he argues, because of price decontrol, deficit reductions and demilitarization – in other words, because of non-Keynesian measures. No matter. By the 1960s, “mainstream economics” and “Keynesian economics” meant virtually the same thing. Even the Kennedy White House’s proposed tax cuts (enacted under LBJ) were part of a larger policy of deficit spending. It was Milton Friedman, not future President Richard Nixon, as commonly believed, who stated in the mid 1960s: “We are all Keynesians now.” Friedman, in no way a Keynesian, uttered the words out of resignation, not celebration. The full quote was: “In one sense we are all Keynesians now; in another, no one is a Keynesian any longer. We all use the Keynesian language and apparatus; none of us any longer accepts the initial Keynesian conclusions.”

Eventually, many, if not most, economists would look for a new vocabulary and tools, a search prompted by the chronic inflation and unemployment (“stagflation”) of the Seventies. Stagflation, after all, was a logical impossibility in a Keynesian world. The election of Ronald Reagan as president in 1980, an unusually bad year for the economy, would accelerate the transformation of theory and practice.

The new revisionism took several forms: supply-side economics, which advocates maximizing favorable conditions for private investment, especially through tax reduction; rational expectations, which applies mathematical modeling to an assumption that people maximize their utility in accordance with market equilibrium; public choice, which holds that markets do not operate analogously to politics, and thus the latter must be made immune from capture by interest groups; and Austrian, which views economic decisions as rooted in participants’ subjective motives unknowable to government or any other outside entity.

Though these schools of thought differed in their frame of reference, and often dramatically so, they shared an assumption that markets are self-correcting, or at any rate too complex to be understood or controlled by a single force. In their view, voluntary contractual agreement best adjudicates conflicting interests. Prices, not plans, ought to guide decisions because no group of persons, no matter how well-informed and even sympathetic to the market, even can predict the future let alone impose it on others. Ronald Reagan’s presidency, though by political necessity often Keynesian in practice, moved market-based theory away from the fringes and into the mainstream. Indirectly, it led to economic growth in America and throughout the world – and well after Reagan’s departure from office.

Yet despite Keynes’ “fatal conceit” (to use Hayek’s term) of assuming the possibility and desirability of central coordination of market knowledge on behalf of the great many, he remained on standby. And now in this, the age of Obama, he’s been pressed into full-time active duty once again, and with a hard-left turn. The White House economic agenda, regrettably, is meeting with only modest resistance from the business community. Nobel laureate Robert Lucas, a leading proponent of the rational-expectations school, puts it this way: “I guess everyone is a Keynesian in a foxhole.”

With the global financial system now in disarray, there is an ever-rising demand for foxholes. Barack Obama’s election as U.S. president, dismaying as it was to any supporter of liberty, was no fluke. It rode an inchoate tidal wave of public disgust with behavior in the financial industry’s executive suites. That this behavior was exacerbated by government favoritism was something his supporters chose not to see. But Obama is not something new under the sun despite his campaign theme of “change.” Like the Clintons, only more so, the new president combines a progressive’s desire to redistribute wealth and power with a Keynesian’s faith in government expenditure as a corrective to downturns in private investment. Even new-school Keynesians such as Greg Mankiw (Harvard) and John Taylor (Stanford) dismiss as absurd the idea that the Obama stimulus plan will create millions of jobs. Coupled with continued Third World mass immigration, the stimulus can be seen as a plan for eliminating private-sector jobs.

Keynes wrote, famously, in the last paragraph of his General Theory: “Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back.” On that, he surely was right. President Obama and his economic team might not be consciously invoking Keynes, but they are ratifying his legacy all the same. And the stimulus plan is only the beginning.

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Carl F. Horowitz is director of the Organized Labor Accountability Project of the National Legal and Policy Center, a Townhall.com Gold Partner organization dedicated to promoting ethics in American public life.
 
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Keynes often misunderstood
Well said, Carl. Obama and team invoke Keynes but have so little understanding of the private sector.

Joycey - example to explain your error
Just for the sake of argument, assume a 3 person leadership team of Gingrich, Gulliani and Romney to run the show for 10 years. They can implement any legislation they agree on. Not much of a democracy - but I'd sure go for it.
The problem is an incompetent leader if not an empty suit was elected. And a double 'duh' back atcha.

Talent scout
You have my deepest sympathy?

Keynes/fascism
{Keynes prefers the “semi-socialism” of “semi-autonomous corporations.” (We might call this fascism.) He writes, “It is true that many big undertakings, particularly public utility enterprises and other business requiring a large fixed capital, still need to be semi-socialised. But we must keep our minds flexible regarding the forms of this semi-socialism. We must take full advantage of the natural tendencies of the day….” Like his fellow Progressives, he had nothing against giant monopoly firms; quite the contrary — as long as they are directed at the public interest and not private profit. What he disliked was decentralization and money making.

As he nears the end of his essay, Keynes gets downright scary in thinking of things for the state to do that “at present are not done at all.” I shall simply quote him:

“The time has already come when each country needs a considered national policy about what size of population, whether larger or smaller than at present or the same, is most expedient. And having settled this policy, we must take steps to carry it into operation. The time may arrive a little later when the community as a whole must pay attention to the innate quality as well as to the mere numbers of its future members.”

Well, no surprise here. If we can intelligently design an economy, why not the human race itself? The eugenics movement once teemed with Progressives, although after the program’s gory bold experiment in totalitarian Germany, some biographies were airbrushed to obscure that fact.}


http://fee.org/featured/goal-freedom-keynes-returns/

Uhh, duhhhhh
Ok let me put it simple for you. THEY GAVE AWAY THE ENTIRE DECADES TAX TAKE TO THEIR CORPORATE WALL STREET MASTERS.
The democrats have become the demonic money masters of the elite - outdoing EVERYTHING you idiot republicans whined about concerning yoursevles for the last 8 years. THEY SLAMMED YOUR PUNY TAX SPENDING TO THE MAT.
In mere weeks they overcame 8 years of republican's "waste" -
It's "over" conservatives and republicans.
The insane loons have it all, and they aren't afraid to spend everything in sight for 20 years, yesterday. LOL
They have already done it.
The "war" is over.
Obama has not failed, they have already enacted their agenda.
You and Rush, can keep wishing for "failure", but they ALREADY SPENT IT - THEY ALREADY WON - YOU MORONS !

The Brownshirts Are Coming!
Click my name and go to my blog and read about Obama's new brownshirt force.

The time to take action against the founding of this force is now, people.

Make sure to let your elected officials know you're against this new development on Obama's part.

persistence of poverty
The stubborn persistence of poverty, at least as measured by the government, is increasingly a problem associated with immigration. As more poor Hispanics enter the country, poverty goes up. This is not complicated; but it is widely ignored.

From 1990 to 2006, the number of poor Hispanics increased 3.2 million, from 6 million to 9.2 million. Meanwhile, the number of non-Hispanic whites in poverty fell from 16.6 million (poverty rate: 8.8 percent) in 1990 to 16 million (8.2 percent) in 2006. Among blacks, there was a decline from 9.8 million in 1990 (poverty rate: 31.9 percent) to 9 million (24.3 percent) in 2006.

By default, our present policy is to import poor people. This imposes strains on local schools, public services and health care. From 2000 to 2006, 41 percent of the increase in people without health insurance occurred among Hispanics.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/opinion/nationalcolumn s/article_1841766.php

Europe vs. America
{Germany edges out Arkansas in per capita GDP.

The study, "The EU vs. USA," was done by a pair of economists--Fredrik Bergstrom and Robert Gidehag--for the Swedish think tank Timbro. It found that if Europe were part of the U.S., only tiny Luxembourg could rival the richest of the 50 American states in gross domestic product per capita. Most European countries would rank below the U.S. average, as the chart below shows.

But a rising tide still lifts all boats, and U.S. GDP per capita was a whopping 32% higher than the EU average in 2000, and the gap hasn't closed since. It is so wide that if the U.S. economy had frozen in place at 2000 levels while Europe grew, the Continent would still require years to catch up.

But what about equality? Well, the percentage of Americans living below the poverty line has dropped to 12% from 22% since 1959. In 1999, 25% of American households were considered "low income," meaning they had an annual income of less than $25,000. If Sweden--the very model of a modern welfare state--were judged by the same standard, about 40% of its households would be considered low-income.

A poorer Europe lacks the wealth to invest in defense, a fact that in turn affects the willingness of Europeans to join America in confronting global security threats. But at least all of this is a warning to U.S. politicians who want this country to go down the same welfare-state road to decline.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110 005242

http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/books.asp?isbn=9175665646

chaka zulu
Comes to speak up for all welfare recipients

Keynes is still relevant
As Carl Horowitz points out, Keynesian economics fills in the gaps that laissez-faire economics fails to address. 19th century laissez-faire economics was referred to as the “dismal science.” In practice it could not deal with the problems of massive unemployment, inflation, poverty, and other sufferings of the business cycle. Keynesian economics gives government a greatly expanded role in making the kinds of “social investments” in education, energy, health care that private entrepreneurs find “unprofitable.” By putting people before profits, government should redistribute wealth and power in the direction of greater equality. So let the right-wings rant and rave all they want. Unlike Pres. Obama, they do not have the numbers or the votes to prevent a historical process that will result hopefully in some form of European style Social Democracy. Chaka Z.

Gasoline Tax

Each year the Gasoline tax at State and Federal levels results in a surplus. Each year Congress and state legislatures divert gasoline tax to the General Treasury.

So clearly if there were a need to improve bridges and highways it would be done since the money is already there.

If its not being done, then the State and Federal Government are mismanaging the Gasoline Tax. If they are mismanaging the Gasoline tax, then why should we give them more money in the stimulus bill?

the messiah and lincoln
the only problem is that the messiah can't lead but demands other pledge loyalty to him and his supposed vision.

The only thing comparable to lincoldn is that both won elections there. The idea that flap ears has any compassion is another sad sick joke pushed by his acolytes who are twisting themselves in knots defending his clueless policies.

Too bad for america we are stuck with a pretend president who is more in love with himself than he cares about this country. He tells himself he has a vision for the country but the reality is he wants to destroy the country to pursue his attraction to socialism as he only thinks gov't is the answer and not the problem it is for the country.

American's problem is whether or not the country can survive his spending plans and growing deficits.

But the real victims are the young who will be paying for his irresponsible spending for the next 30 years. I wonder if all these 20 somethings who faint at the sight of this fraud will be happy when the bills he is running up demand more taxes from them and thus condemn them to a life with fewer opportunities and the necessity to survive on far less

Mr. Horowitz
I am confused about OBAMA's economists that you mentioned.
When have we ever paid taxes to the private sector to maintain our roadways? If the government had been doing its job we shouldn't need a sudden investment into infrastructure. That's what our taxes are supposedly for. Instead I spend my day dodging 3 ft deep pot holes.

Education. Is it better to recieve an education when that education is merely indoctrination into the humanist world-view? How many kids are leaving schools unable to read and write and unable to decifer numbers and without any truthful foundation of our history, never having read classic literature. Perhaps it would be better for America if our children did not attend government schools at all.

What if the government stepped out of healthcare all together accept to uphold natural law. We might see a lowering of healthcare costs.

Isn't it the government that will not allow us to drill for oil, build refineries or coal power plants based on psuedo-scientific findings.

If we do not get all loosers out of our government we will not survive. It is their purpose to destroy this great country because they hate this great country.

carlos
The only way he could be calling the right shots is if his decisions were free market based. And within the structure of the Constitution. Then of course we would agree with him and support him. DUH!

OBAMA
believes in a system. He worships the system. He lives to see his system perfected. He does not love or believe in the American people.

Article I Section 9, read it.
If anyone doubts, even for a moment, how intent NObamaElMessiah and all his libturd running buddies are on wiping their smelly bottoms with the parchment on which the US Constitution was penned, simply take a look at the following:

Article I Section 9 of the US Constitution

Then think about exactly what the House has already passed, the Senate says they will pass this next week, and NObamaElMessiah is promising to sign into law??

If this pack of libturds is so intent on doing this kind of stuff, why do they even bother wearing the facade???

Laughing Out Loud
These Socialist are laughing at all conservatives because they have the upper hand .
Pres.G.W.Bush started them off on the right foot
and they are running with the ball . Now if the Gov. now owns Aig and the rest of these Com. that took the bailout money and are going to tax
people that earned bonouses ,plus want to fire them from their jobs , why don't the American people start firing the Idiots that are now in control. Starting with Barney , Chris , and the rest of those idiots. No more printing money to give away . Let the private sector either go broke or figure a way to stay in business .

If you are a real American , Let me tell you that Congress will never have the SMARTS to do anything right. Prime example-- Pelosi & Reid
We have four years of this OBAMANATION to deal with . Email your Congressmen and Women . Tell them NO MORE .

Re: Glowbama!!!
Look, any way you look at the policies of this clown you know it either is seated in Saul Alinsky, Karl Marx, or in Keynes!!! This clown is not capable of doing anything on his own, you saw what happen with the appearence on Leno and did'nt have his teleprompter!!! This is one incompetant Socialist!!!

Just ONE example
Can anyone, ANYONE, name just ONE example, besides our military, in which our government has done anything better (cheaper, better quality, faster, more efficiently) than the private sector???

Anyone? No one can because of all the things government has done, it has done so with such inefficiency, wastefulness, fraud, and such mismanagement as has NEVER been seen in the private sector, at least not for long.

Everyone is missing the Point
There's no central plan. There's no central authority. The problem is not any economic theory - the problem is an incompetent leader hiding in California during a crisis.

In theory, it's possible to have a King who is so smart and fair, that we could just throw out the current system and just let the King run things. If Obama was calling all the right shots - you guys wouldn't be rattling on about Keynes but happy that he's fixing the situation. Unfortunately, he's making a mess of things.

Liberal is as liberals do...
Vincent Location: VA
Date: Mar 21, 2009 - 6:56 AM EST

The word "liberal"
... I really think we need to stop using the word "liberal" to describe the democratic party. It is an insult to the great achievements of classical liberalism in the 18th and 19th centuries,...

Also, we need to stop calling the democratic policies socialist, because they are much more similar to fascism.
...
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Most interesting offering I have no real disagreement with...

My disagreement is more with the term "classic liberal."

My long held thought on this being...

Our founding fathers were liberals. Their intent was to destroy the US as it had been designed by the Crown. They then rebuilt it according to their vision for the US. Which turned out to be the US Constitution, with an accompanying set of traditions and law.

At which point the founding fathers were no longer liberals, but in fact the conservators of this nation.

Todays liberals have the exact same thing planned for the US. Their intent is to destroy the US as it has been designed under the US Constitution, with it's accompanying traditions and laws. They then plan to rebuild this nation according to their vision. Which in their case appears to be some form of neo-Marxism cooked up by the academic pinkos El Messiah ran with while gathering his lifes experiences.

Good stuff sol
All true, and easily found for all who care to dig for the truth.

Indolence,
Habitual laziness; sloth. is the culprit destroying Liberty in America today.
Indolence in trusting others to do the right thing.
Trusting politicians is sleep walking.

Fascism and all socialist economic policies found in Communism or Nazism stem from the very same collective ideas of Marx and Keynes, even if one can find some minor difference's between the two men.
Mussolini, Hitler,Stalin and Roosevelt all were socialists to one degree or another.

Wall Street itself backed Lenin, and loved Marx for his ideas of Incorporation that produces monopolies as business and politics have become today.
Handing just a few men at the top all the power over government and business.
Men like Bernanke, a non-government employee, yet runs the government policy for this nation, holding the power over the value and the distribution of their phony "dollars" that are nothing more than Bank Notes, falsely called dollars.

Dollars are all silver coins or silver certificates one.
Information is found in the 1791 Mint Act.

MINT, not "printing press" ACT

Milton Friedman
{The Great Depression created a widespread misconception that market economies are inherently unstable and must be managed by the government to avoid large macreconomic fluctuations, that is, business cycles. This view persists to this day despite the more than 40 years since Milton Friedman and Anna Jacobson Schwartz showed convincingly that the Federal Reserve’s monetary policies were largely to blame for the severity of the Great Depression. In 2002 Ben Bernanke (then a Federal Reserve governor, today the chairman of the Board of Governors) made this startling admission in a speech given in honor of Friedman’s 90th birthday: “I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression, you’re right. We did it. We’re very sorry.”

As Milton and Rose Friedman wrote in Free to Choose:

The [Federal Reserve] System could have provided a far better solution by engaging in large-scale open market purchases of government bonds. That would have provided banks with additional cash to meet the demands of their depositors. That would have ended—or at least sharply reduced—the stream of bank failures and have prevented the public’s attempted conversion of deposits into currency from reducing the quantity of money. Unfortunately, the Fed’s actions were hesitant and small. In the main, it stood idly by and let the crisis take its course—a pattern of behavior that was to be repeated again and again during the next two years.}

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/the-great-depressi on-according-to-milton-friedman/

Invoking Keynes
I don't know what you mean by saying the Obamists may not be consciously invoking Keynes. Not that long ago, I heard Summers expressly name Keynes and Keynes alone when asked what economists have had the most influence on his thinking. These guys' Keynesianism is subconscious or kept low key. It is purposeful and explicit.

Fascism (cont.)
{t is a matter of controversy whether President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal was directly influenced by fascist economic policies. Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.” Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator.}

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

Vincent
"Also, we need to stop calling the democratic policies socialist, because they are much more similar to fascism."

You may be correct. The definition from "The Library of Economics and Liberty" (excerpts):

{As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.

In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie.

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it.

Under fascism, the state, through official cartels, controlled all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, finance, and agriculture. Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms. Licensing was ubiquitous; no economic activity could be undertaken without government permission. Levels of consumption were dictated by the state, and “excess” incomes had to be surrendered as taxes or “loans.” }


http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html


Karl Marx would hate this stimulus.
Imagine being a Design Engineer or Architect in the mold of F.L.Wright and you're in Obama's position. Imagine having all that money at your disposal to shape society and modernize the infrastructure according to your plans. It's a breathtaking opportunity.

But instead we've got Robert Byrd's 4 lane highway that dead ends into a hill. Obama isn't brainstorming with Engineers - he's watching hoops - shooting the wad with Jay. Calling him an empty suit doesn't do him justice - he's a joke.

The greatest problem
with gubmint spending is found in this sentence: "Breaking the impasse would require long-term coordination of fiscal and monetary policy by a single entity; i.e., a central government."

What right thinking person would be moved to invest or spend in the manner that our gubmint is doing today? Herd mentality? It appears most Americans with assets have decided against this particular mentality to the detriment of the economy. And who could blame them? Gubmint is bankrupt--- why would any person follow their lead?

They're getting Keynes wrong
Liberals today have focused on the deficit spending part of Keynesian economics, but they don't seem to remember that an equally important part of Keynesian theory was tax cuts.

Keynes believed that they key to solving the "paradox of thrift" was not only to increase aggregate demand through increased government spending, but through reducing the taxes on the populous.

Obama obviously doesn't recognize that since his tax cuts in the stimulus bill added up to only about $15 a week for most middle class Americans. These tax credits that he's proposing aren't going to do much to increase aggregate demand. And also, he's proposing a huge energy tax, which is a very regressive tax by the way. That certainly isn't going to helo increase aggregate demand!

I don't think Keynes was right, but the Democrats would serve this country much better if they at least knew what Keynes advocated.

The punk "killer" writes:
Those policies which created the "GI Bill" were Keynesian,"Idiot".
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You are an idiot "killer'
America had a GI Bill by a different name right after the very first Congress in 1789, punk.

When did that old reprobate Keynes arrive on earth?

Keynes was/and always will be an idiot like this moron killer.

quote:
Revolutionary War Bounty Land Grants
by Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck


Reasons for Issuing Bounty Land Grants

How the government used bounty lands to gain support for the war, thank veterans, protect their borders, and encourage settlement.

A land bounty is a grant of land from a government as a reward to repay citizens for the risks and hardships they endured in the service of their country, usually in a military related capacity.

By the time of the Revolutionary War, the practice of awarding bounty land as an inducement for enlisting in the military forces had been a long-standing practice in the British Empire in North America. Besides imperial bounty land grants, both colonial and municipal governments had routinely compensated participants in and victims of military conflicts with land. Land was a commodity in generous supply, and governments seized upon its availability for accomplishing their goals."

http://www.genealogy.com/24_land.html

Then there were many other such acts for Veterans in America for Civil War Vets as well.

The GI is totally American and has nothing to do with the reprobate Keynes

I just read this last part
"killer" you puny little punk

"killer" writes:
Those policies which created the "GI Bill" were Keynesian,"Idiot". I am so tired of "Dumb As Americans" like you!
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Then get the **** out of American Politics you IDIOT!
punk

FDR ON KAYNES
Before the war in 1941 FDR when asked by a High School teacher at a White House meeting "which is the true economic theory?" FDR replied: "There is no proven economic theory," including New Deal Kaynesianism.

'killer' ha..writes:

Talent scout
Look at post 1945 and the affects of the "GI Bill". This bill allowed; College Aid to whites,Home ownership to whites,small business loans to whites,and farm aid to whites.
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Middle class America has existed since the 1600's

America did not go Keynesian until the Nixon Administration, 1971.
The GI BIll did NOT create the Middle Class, nor is it Keynesian anyway, and was enacted LONG BEFORE 1971.
Capiche?

Talent scout
Look at post 1945 and the affects of the "GI Bill". This bill allowed; College Aid to whites,Home ownership to whites,small business loans to whites,and farm aid to whites. By 1965, America had a "White Middle Class". If the affects of Capitalism produced these results unaided,why was there no minority movement included? Any Sociologist can tell you how to define a class. Those policies which created the "GI Bill" were Keynesian,"Idiot". I am so tired of "Dumb As Americans" like you!!

Keynesian Economics
Can be reduced down to a very simple formula.

Create debt, then enact tax law to pay the debt

Mickey
The deal is, the Jews are not all of one mind and cannot all be labeled one way or anther.

Some Jews are Marxists right today, others are Capitalists.
But there were many Jews who belonged to the Communist Party, and still do.

Stalinism?
...
But, due to the fact he was a Jew, he could never become a member of the Communist Party.

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That's just so weird to say

Due to the fact both Marx and Lenin were Jews, as well as many many many other Jews Communist Party Members.

quote:
Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov, aka Lenin

Researcher Wayne McGuire of Harvard University writes: "Lenin was a Jew by the standards of Israel's Law of Return: he possessed a Jewish grandparent. It would seem that not only was Lenin a Jew, but that he was a Jewish racist and chauvinist, although he kept his ideas on this volatile subject far in the background, probably because they were in radical conflict with the supposed universalism of Marxism. ...Lenin was a Jewish racist who deliberately gave Jews especially, the most 'intellectually demanding tasks.' He admitted that 50% of the communist terrorist vanguard in the south and west of Russia was comprised of Jews."
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Perhaps what you offer explains why both his parents received the education required to become doctors and officers in the Soviet Army. This also may explain why he was given a high education as well.

Apparently, at some time during the Stalin regime the Soviet Union came out of the closet with their views on Jews.

He claims Jews were highly persecuted in the old USSR. Says this was the way he managed to get out. Because the Russians opened the door in the '70's allowing many Russian Jews to leave.

Spending and debt
The quote I saw from Keynes said government spending "paid for with savings" could help a recession. What of government spending that results in massive debt?

This is rich
We have an idiot calling others idiots:
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killer writes:

Keynesianism gave America it's middle class, no matter what the "Idiots" say.
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What a moron

Mickey writes:
I'm reminded of a time in the early '80's when I worked with a man who had been raised in the USSR. A Jewish Russian immigrant.

His parents had been doctors and even officers during WWII, so his life was a tiny cut above the average Russian in the USSR.

But, due to the fact he was a Jew, he could never become a member of the Communist Party.
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That's just so weird to say

Due to the fact both Marx and Lenin were Jews, as well as many many many other Jews Communist Party Members.

quote:
Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov, aka Lenin

Researcher Wayne McGuire of Harvard University writes: "Lenin was a Jew by the standards of Israel's Law of Return: he possessed a Jewish grandparent. It would seem that not only was Lenin a Jew, but that he was a Jewish racist and chauvinist, although he kept his ideas on this volatile subject far in the background, probably because they were in radical conflict with the supposed universalism of Marxism. ...Lenin was a Jewish racist who deliberately gave Jews especially, the most 'intellectually demanding tasks.' He admitted that 50% of the communist terrorist vanguard in the south and west of Russia was comprised of Jews."


Why? Because It Grows Government!
Ever notice how the elite class will take any theory that comes along, that has any potential for justifying more & bigger central government, & less freedom & autonomy? They select & amplify those features that have the most potential for accomplishing that aim, forget about other features that don't grow government, & then declare that theory to be dogma & a fundamental axiom for policymaking.

So, poor as authentic Keynesianism is, we're being shoveled cherry-picked pseudoKeynsianism that emphasizes the totalitarian apsects of the original theory, to justify basically buying off favored constituencies with trillions of $ in pork by claiming it will "stimulate" the economy.

Much of the vaunted "infrastructure" spending will end up as "bridges to nowhere" & "if we build it they will come" city streetscaping projects that usually just chase away customers & close businesses with interminable construction & loss of parking.

The anthrogenic "climate change" theories are similarly skewed & hyped so as to justify more & bigger government, centralized to the point of worldwide.

Socialism
I wrote a paper in College about socialism, my paper got an A+. I concentrated on how socialism in all its forms doesn't work. Why it doesn’t succeed is because once the money is taken from "their people" it's never used properly. It's not handed out to "share the wealth with all," it’s used to make sure that those same people don't rise above their station in life that the dictator has deems for them. It's to make sure to corrupt leader, remains in power. No one but the dictator and his cabinet friends have no one to challenge them and question their policies, ideas and agenda. You need money to campaign, and a lot of it, it doesn't matter, they make sure no one accumulates more then what they have and they control every aspect of their economy. They run the banks and dole out the pennies to those who need it and say sorry to those that didn't receive anything. But maybe next time, it will be your turn.

Everyone is poor, they live in horrible conditions, and they are hungry and have no money to buy something to eat. Yet, the government officials as well as their dictator/leader live in grand scale with multiple homes, gold toilet seats, gold fixtures, opulence life style. Before taking total control they confiscated boats, cars, houses, artwork, antiques, and everything else they wanted to take and said “this is mine now.”

We are headed in the same direction as Obama and friends want to control every aspect of our lives. He wants to regulate how much someone can earn, confiscate money and names it a fair taxes from the wealthy, while the Speaker of the House gains more wealth for herself and her family by being able to put her own money in the Stock Market and invest in companies who is researching new energy resources and then votes for that same company to receive federal funding in the billions. This is clearly insider trading and she sees it as her money, her investment in the future.

Democrats Only!!
I'm reminded of a time in the early '80's when I worked with a man who had been raised in the USSR. A Jewish Russian immigrant.

His parents had been doctors and even officers during WWII, so his life was a tiny cut above the average Russian in the USSR.

But, due to the fact he was a Jew, he could never become a member of the Communist Party.

And, what this meant according to him, doors would always remain closed to him.

He told of whole cities within the USSR that was closed access to all but members of the Communist Party.

Cities the way he described them, like Vail, Co. San Diego, or Santa Barbara, Ca. Vacation paradises closed to all except the DemwitOCrap Party faithful...

Can you imagine this happening here in the US??

I suggest you may already be witnessing the begginings....

All these theories are great.
So let's look at reality. Cuba is a centrally based economy and it's in ruins. Who has the money, power, and motivation in Cuba? The bozos running the country.

Sorry Carl, but this is beyond Keynes
What NObamaElMessiah is doing is pure neo-Marxisism.

He is implementing an economic plan started by your name sake, and brought up to date by folks like Bill Ayers, Ward Churchill, Resko, Wright, and no telling how many more folks like this, from whom El Messiah developed his experiences of life from.

consumption vs investment
Too often, we confuse spending with investment. In Keynes' day, government spending was infrastructure investment. The welfare world hadn't been invented yet.

Now that the welfare and personal consumption worlds exist, spending has taken on a new meaning... and it has been hijacked by the fascists.

Thanks Vincent for clearing up an important point there.

?????
What is most "Puzzling" to me and probably the Russians,is the inability of Americans to see beyond the obvious. No one wonders why Keynes has such a prominent place in American economics. Keynes or some component has been used in America at least 5 times over the past 60 years during economic downturns. Keynes himself saw his theories in the "Last Resort" mode. What does this say about our brand of Capitalism? If this period is to produce "Value", it most resolve issues of the past century. If you don't understand complex thought,now is not a good time to learn!

Put simply
Obama and his pals don't trust us to make good decisions for ourselves. Big Brother will make them for us. They are the only ones qualified to make these decisions.

ASpeaks, You are KIDDING, RIGHT?
LOL!

YOUR number play is just as silly as the SOFT SCIENCE THEORY of "Free Market" Economics.

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WILL OBAMANOMICS CURE US OF KAYNES?
Could it be that Obamanomics is the last hurrah and death knell of Keynesian economics in America? It may very well be. It is fascinating to note that George Bush, who made the Obama presidency possible and started this mad revival of Keynesian stimulus spending to end the recession, was born in the year of John Maynard Keynes death. Bush, born 7-6-1946, came into this world exactly 76 days after Keynes passed away (d. 4-21-46). As you know I love playing with numbers and as 76 is a variant of the number 13 (7+6=13) it was on the 13th day of February that the Stimulus Bill was passed by the Senate-with the 76 year old Ted Kennedy (the great Depression-born lion of Keynesianism) absent from the vote due to illness (see my essay on page 2 "Sign of the Destructive Sixties: The Friday the 13th Horror Bill"). Keynesianism is a sickness whose cure is long overdue and the cure may very well be the spectacular failure of Obamanomics, thanks to the presidency of George W. Bush.

Postscript:

Amazingly, Keynes death on April 21, 1946 fell on the 111th day of the year, the number of the U.S. Congress that passed the greatest and grandest Keynesian stimulus package in history.



Vincent
I agree with you and so do most current "liberals". They now prefer the word 'progressives', implying of course, ever-so-slyly, that anyone who is NOT progressive, is, well, not very sensitive, yucky, maybe even icky, not to mention not a very good person.

Scariest phrase -
"central coordination of market knowledge...

Why would anyone in their right mind want this current bumper crop of buffoons in Washington to run anything? They've mucked up EVERYTHING they've gotten their grubby mitts on for the last 100 years - from public education, free trade, to energy and don't forget the Post Office.

The congress-creeps now running the show have never been in business, never had to make a payroll or keep an eyeball on competition or the bottom line. They operate on the premise that tax revenues are a infinite source to finance their whims and special interests. They ignore the Laffer Curve at the peril of the country.

Even our new weepublican guv is talking about higher taxes, and all of us sheeple are looking at ways NOT TO PAY THEM! If we don't feed the monster, it cannot grow. They believe they can manipulate behavior and they will, in the opposite direction.

We've got news for them! US tax payers are revolting. Join a Tea Party near you. Hey, Obama! Stimulate this.....

Carl
I see you have laid the ground work for some future attack on Keynes. In England we still love the antidote regarding madmen but we quote it differently. For all who did not know,Keynes was a "Swinger". He was a married father,with male "Lovers". Most of the upper-class knew and some even shared his sentiments. Being that America,home of the "Hypocrite",is using him to indict the policies of President Obama. I see a need to put critical issue out front. Keynes was probably the most "Original Thinker" of his time. He was a man of great courage and vision. The reason his thoughts on economics are constantly revisited, is that they have more "Utility". Keynesianism gave America it's middle class, no matter what the "Idiots" say. Today the government is being forced to fill the vacuum created by the inaction of business. If the business world were to be our "Guardians", how did our Infrastructure reach this state of disrepair? Theory implies a need for fact,which can only appear after the "Adjudication" of said theory. Patiences is a quality not well suited for the "American Mind" but is a requirement in today's economic world. SORRY...

Liberal
Good morning Vincent in Virginia.

You're absolutely correct. Classical liberalism is NOT what the Democratic Party is. They're Facists for control purposes and Marxists in economics. John Stossel considers himself a "liberal" but in the classical sense. He says "they've hijacked my term." Yes, now is the time to call them what they realistically are Facists and commies.

The word "liberal"
I have a humble suggestion. I really think we need to stop using the word "liberal" to describe the democratic party. It is an insult to the great achievements of classical liberalism in the 18th and 19th centuries, and to associate Obama with the likes of John Locke is, as Judge Judy would say: "Ridiculous!".

Also, we need to stop calling the democratic policies socialist, because they are much more similar to fascism.

Let me know what you think.

talent scout- on Keynes
Good point about Keynes.

He also said Americans were too stupid to run our own country.

It's the supply side
I have a 4 year old niece who knows how to spend. It's no way to stimulate growth. we grow when we produce and liberals and unions have choked up our economy so much that almost nothing is produced in America anymore.

Carl writes:
John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946) "was a Renaissance man"

What a nice word for a debachery laden old reprobate

"Inflation, Extravagance, Bankruptcy."


John Maynard Keynes campaigned for budgetary flexibility and abandonment of the gold standard for at least a decade before publishing his General Theory in 1936. And he was a genius of rhetoric as well as of economics. He could explain his ideas with equal brilliance in the abstractions of Treasury mandarins or the straightforward language of common people: "Housewives of England, for every shilling you save, you put a man out of work for a day."

But Keynes's arguments were ignored by democratic governments the world over. Gordon Brown describes a document in the Treasury archives in which Keynes's proposals for saving Britain from depression were dismissed by the Permanent Secretary with three scribbled words: "Inflation, Extravagance, Bankruptcy."

Most people in the 1930s agreed with the Treasury that Keynes was irresponsible and deluded. And that is what many believe today -that a debt crisis cannot be cured by borrowing; that saving is virtuous while spending is wasteful; that printing money creates inflation and that the best response to recession is to fire government bureaucrats.

If these beliefs become conventional wisdom among voters, then coping with the economic crisis will become as difficult as it was in the 1930s - at least for democracies. And here we come to the real horror.

In the 1930s only one country put expansionary policies fully into practice. Hitler's Germany.
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