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Saturday, August 25, 2007
Carl Horowitz :: Townhall.com Columnist
Christianity and the Rise of the Investor Left
by Carl Horowitz
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For most of this decade the Left has been riding a wave of popular discontent over highly-publicized corporate corruption, rarely wasting an opportunity to point out scandals at Enron, Tyco, WorldCom and other major companies.  That more than once their officials have been carted away to federal prison confirms the progressives' conviction that capitalism desperately needs moral therapy.    

Much of this opposition is informed by a set of anti-business teachings that are explicitly religious, and from a Christian perspective.  A website, Sunshine for Women (www.pinn.net), features a homily, "What Would Jesus Do?"  The sermon reads in part:  "Jesus Would NOT be on the Board of Directors of a Fortune 500 corporation....Jesus Would NOT lobby politicians on behalf of wealthy corporations.  Jesus Would NOT be a Wall Street trader, a banker for a large national or international banking conglomerate, or participate in the World Bank or the International Monetary Fund (IMF)."     

Such sentiments are hardly new.  In Europe, Catholic anti-capitalism has a centuries-long pedigree.  Long after the passing of Medievalism, many have subscribed to the view that business dulls our noble religious impulses.  The Christian Socialist Movement emerged in the early-19th century as a response to what its adherents viewed as the destructive consequences of the Industrial Revolution.  From the early-20th century onward, the British Labour Party, more than commonly imagined, has been Christian in character; Tony Blair, far from negating this legacy, shrewdly adapted it to contemporary reality.

Here in America, Christianity and socialism (or at least suspicion of commercial culture), also long allied with one another, became a potent mass movement during the latter half of the 1960s.  Perhaps its most famous alumnus is Hillary Clinton, whose sharp turn to the left during her Wellesley undergraduate years in a real sense affirmed the Methodist Social Gospel of her girlhood.  The appeal of the Religious Left remains high today.  The Catholic Church and many mainline Protestant denominations regularly denounce corporate greed, callousness and dishonesty, backing up their words through participation in boycotts, demonstrations and media campaigns.  Jesse Jackson is in good company. 

It isn't as if this tendency hasn't had critics.  Eighties-era books such as Michael Novak's The Spirit of Democratic Capitalism and Doug Bandow's Beyond Good Intentions defended capitalism from a Christian perspective, challenging the case for socialism put forth by their co-religionists.  During this decade, Mark D. Tooley, director of the Institute on Religion and Democracy's United Methodist Committee, has written a series of highly effective exposes for Front Page Magazine (www.frontpagemag.com) of Leftist church activism run amok. 

But there is an angle to contemporary Christian progressivism which thus far has gotten too little attention:  shareholder activism.  Religious institutional investors, bent on guiding corporate America down a more righteous path, over the years have been buying large blocks of stock.  More than any single entity, the Interfaith Center on Corporate Responsibility (ICCR) serves as the movement's clearinghouse. 

The ICCR, based in New York City, was founded by a coalition of clergy and laymen in 1971 as an offshoot of the National Council of Churches.  The ICCR by decade's end had embarked on aggressive, media-conscious campaigns to oppose nuclear power, block Nestle's marketing of allegedly tainted infant bottle formula, and urge corporate divestment from South Africa.  By 1980, Fortune magazine would describe the center as a "confluence of radical Christian and Marxist thinking."  The center today might disavow the word "Marxist," but its grievances against corporations remain real, far-reaching and grounded in religious conviction.  Given its current network of 275 investor organizations with a combined portfolio exceeding $110 billion, the ICCR, though with a relatively tiny budget, has a lot of weight to throw around. 

Each year, ICCR investors file scores of proxy resolutions at corporate shareholder meetings on issues ranging from global warming to AIDS research to subsidized health care.  They don't necessarily pass, but they do put issues on the table and CEOs on the defensive.  The real effectiveness of this new breed of radical shareholder can be gauged by the action behind closed doors in the form of dozens of ongoing negotiations, or "dialogues," with corporate officials.  By exacting concessions from management to drop certain practices and/or adopt others, shareholder groups are confident they are evolving a morally just society.  

These activists know how to locate, negotiate, win and flatter.  This past winter, for example, ICCR members, owners of a combined two million shares of Wal-Mart stock, submitted a resolution calling upon the company to join a campaign to create a universal, government-managed health care system.  While reluctant at first, Wal-Mart in the end agreed not to challenge the resolution.  Margaret Weber, corporate responsibility director of the Basilian Fathers of Toronto, congratulated the company as "constructively engaged."  And ICCR investors scored a coup in late 2004 when it coaxed the Ford Motor Co. into releasing details of how AIDS affects its operations.  Mary Ann Gaido, vice president of St. Joseph Health System and an ICCR board member, praised the company.  "Ford is doing the right thing for its employees and shareholders," she said.    

Such campaigns rest on the idea of society as a coalition of "stakeholders."  "A stakeholder," writes environmental activist Harry Van Buren in a recent ICCR report, "can be defined as any group or individual who can affect or is affected by a firm's activities.  There are lots of stakeholders to consider, including employees, communities, stockholders, suppliers, governments, and activist groups."  That would seem to cover just about everyone.  Common sense ought to dictate that it is well-organized spokesmen who presume to speak for "stakeholders."  ICCR-affiliated shareholders think they fit the bill.  As latter-day Trojan horses, they can rattle corporate cages from the inside.    

The "stakeholder vs. shareholder" dichotomy builds on latter-day hardcore anti-corporate criticism.  In his 2004 book, The Corporation:  The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power, University of British Columbia law professor Joel Bakan sees the world as hostage to moral squalor created by unaccountable corporate oligarchs.  For him and similar critics -- Thom Hartmann, Marjorie Kelly, Ted Nace and the ubiquitous Ralph Nader come to mind -- corporations, unless exposed and opposed, will ravage the environment, exploit workers, cheat consumers, ignore the poor, threaten public health, and wage covert war against indigenous peoples.      

 Religion has become indispensable in this battle.  Sojourners magazine editor-in-chief Jim Wallis recently wrote that Jesus Christ would have opposed "capital gains tax cuts for the wealthy and food stamp cuts for the poor."  PBS talk show host and former President Johnson press secretary Bill Moyers, an ordained Baptist minister, made his ire at "corporate activism" known in June in a speech before members of the United Church of Christ General Synod at the Hartford Civic Center:   

You have raised a prophetic voice against the militarism, materialism, and racism that chokes America's arteries.  It's a mystery to me.  Jesus said, 'Let the little children come to me'...You have to wonder how this so-called Christian nation leaves so many children to suffer...For 30 years, we have witnessed a class war fought from the top down against the idea and ideal of equality.  It has been a drive by a radical elite to gain ascendancy over politics and to dismantle the political institutions, the legal and statutory canons, and the intellectual and cultural frameworks that checked the excesses of private power.  

The Interfaith Center for Corporate Responsibility and its affiliates operate very much in this spirit.  They view business and the general public as part of a broad economic "church."  Just as business must exhibit a moral conscience in its dealings, people have an obligation to invest only in businesses having a conscience.  Consider this appeal by the Unitarian Universalist Association several years ago:

Before socially responsible investing, we would pray for peace on Sunday, and invest in war on Monday through Saturday.  There were painful contradictions around espoused values and then what really happened to investment of dollars.  In your congregation, ask whether the leaders of the congregation feel that moral imperative to do that kind of examination.  Then take steps to make an approach that is sensible and can work.          

There is an irony here.  In becoming shareholders, religious socialists have become part of the very capitalist system they profess to disavow.  This paradox, argues George Washington University political scientist Jarol Manheim, can be explained by the fact that while the Left may dislike most of the people who run corporations, they also see corporations as prizes to be won.  To change the system, he observes, activists have adopted a strategy of infiltration and pressure from within.  Religious as well as civil-rights, environmental and labor activists have become skilled hardball negotiators, often winning the cooperation (and perhaps capitulation?) of business executives.    

Many on the Right now play the game, too.  Conservative and libertarian organizations introduce resolutions, launch boycotts, and start affinity mutual funds.  Leftists put their assets in Domini Social Investments, the Family of Faith Endowment Fund, and the Headwaters Fund; Rightists have the Free Enterprise Action Fund, Ave Maria Mutual Funds, and The Timothy Plan.  But at the risk of appearing logically inconsistent, there is an important distinction to be made here.     

What Leftist shareholders want is not simply reform, but revolution on the installment plan.  They seek to permanently alter the relationship between corporation and society in ways that effectively would render CEOs and boards as stakeholder wards.  Yes, Rightist traditionalists on occasion have put forth their own brand of radicalism.  But as their spectacularly ill-advised and unsuccessful boycott of Disney demonstrated, such campaigns can misfire.  Moreover, for sheer audacity, tenacity and focus, the Religious Right has proven no match for the Religious Left.   

Supporters of free enterprise can fight back by emphasizing the following point:  Corporations are creatures of specialization.  That is, companies exist to sell goods and services, not to serve as political mediators between interest groups, ever vulnerable to capture. 

Back in 1970, the late Milton Friedman wrote, rather famously, that "there is one and only one social responsibility of business -- to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud."  What would Jesus say to that?  Religious Leftists might have some insights, but they might wait until after creating a few successful corporations before sharing them. 

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Carl F. Horowitz is director of the Organized Labor Accountability Project of the National Legal and Policy Center, a Townhall.com Gold Partner organization dedicated to promoting ethics in American public life.
 
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Measures
Statements like Bill Moyers' are a perversion of Christ's words and acts as well as the purposes animating both:

If we men are to be equal, we cannot use material standards such as wealth, power or skin color to measure our relative worth and dignity because doing so invites greed and envy to govern our affairs. That's what the prophetic voices raised in the Bible all tell us.

But Mr. Moyers perverts and hijacks the true prophets' message to push for his vision of an ideal, utopian society that must measure us, divide us up and rule us according to material standards. And in return for Mr. Moyers' ideal society and regent, we must sacrifice our freedom and our dignity to be measured according to our character and deeds rather than our wealth, power and skin color.

However, the true prophets reminded us that "mercy, not sacrifice" is the standard by which we must measure our society, our laws and the outcomes they produce. By this standard, America measures up well judging by the billions Americans voluntarily give each year to those in need of their mercy and the laws that reward their giving. Mr. Moyers would put an end to this, punishing giving with a joyful heart while rewarding the state for taking to serve punitive motives in the name of the "public good", which will always demand the sacrifice of discrete individuals to the amorphous state. This is not Christian, but pagan.

Christians, you must reject Mr. Moyers and his ilk along with their teachings. Otherwise, they will destroy your dignity and enslave you by perverting Christ's words, deeds and the ultimate purpose motivating them, which they do not share.


I don't have a problem with...
them pursuing corporate control through the legal channels of purchasing stock and getting elected to board positions. I may disagree with their perception of what corporate social responsibility is, but that's okay. The way I see it, if they succeed in gaining control of a company, the only thing sure to follow is the devolving of that company to a state where it can no longer continue to exist and goes belly up. A few of those may succeed in sucking enough of their financial resources away such that they cannot pursue their ill-fated dreams.

My problem with the religious left is their hypocritical shout of "Separation of church and state!" All the while, working to have laws passed that have more to do with their perverted view of Christianity than the laws of liberty that our Constitution guarantees.

Please don't get me wrong. As one on the conservative side of Christianity, I disagree with the rights pursuit of political clout as well. If you want to ask WWJD, I can tell you that He most definitely wouldn't seek to make changes in peoples lives through laws, which can only control a persons actions. Jesus was all about transformation from the inside out. A pure heart, intent on pursuing God's will, is the best recipe for true change.

Why we need Political Atheism
I maintain that if a conservative position can't be defended based on fundamental rights, the constitution or objective law, then it is lost.

Note: that does not constitute an anti-Religious sentiment. What it does mean is that I accept the reality that issues cannot be decided in modern America on a religious basis alone.

My preference is to be politically atheistic, keeping my religious values private. This platform begets moral consistency - I can speak loudly from self-interest, and ignore any of the platitudes that are based on 'helping' the down-trodden.

The fact that the pursuit of self-interest actually helps the down-trodden (by reducing their numbers significantly) bolsters the pragmatic and moral case for such a stance.

Also, separating religion from politics forces us to make consistent policy decisions on social issues. In a previous article, I present such an approach to the Gay Marriage issue.

I don't expect all conservatives to agree with my position(s) on social issues, but it is difficult to argue against consistency.

My point is that Christianity (and most other institutionalized religions) preach the virtues of self-sacrifice. There is also a tendency to glorify the downtrodden. Once ingrained with those concepts, people are programmed to accept Socialism.

Leftists have exploited this weakness. It is also the reason why good people begin their lives as leftists (it just seems like the moral high ground), until their life experiences make the blinders come off. Think of the cliche "if you aren't a liberal at age 20, you have no heart; if you aren't a conservative at age 40, you have no brain!"
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Read the article titled "Why we need Political Atheismm" at: http://voice.townhall.com/g/85d7133b-8b08-4bd9-9466-e5466265066a

Religion & Politics
I don't discount the contributions that are inspired by religion, and by religious people.

If religion is the ONLY source of morality for many people, then it should be encouraged. However, I think that we would be selling our compatriots short by making that assumption.

Also, religion (and often, the interpretation of religion) can bring inconsistencies into our political and social lives.

For example, altruism is a core tenet of Judeo-Christian principles. Altruism, when applied as the philosophical basis of political and economic policy, leads to 'feel-good' legislation such as minimum wage increases, universal health care, welfare, progressive taxation, and other unworkable premises.

Observe the helplessness of Religious Conservatives when they try to vote down such proposals - while still trying to appear to have the moral high ground. All that they can do is to whine plaintively that "it doesn't work".

Without the albatross of altruism, Conservatives should be able to say that "It is immoral to ask productive people to be victims AND it doesn't work".

The mess that results from this is that non-religious Liberals absurdly seize the moral high ground with well-intentioned but fallacious arguments. Note that the liberals' mystical beliefs merely replace "religion" with some euphemism such as "the state", or "the common good".
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The above excerpts are from a 4-part article titled "Religion and Politics" that is posted at:
http://voice.townhall.com/page3

Look at the way we treat government
Horowitz writes that his leftist opponents claim that:

"Corporations, unless exposed and opposed, will ravage the environment, exploit workers, cheat consumers, ignore the poor, threaten public health, and wage covert war against indigenous peoples."

But that statement is all true -- corporations have all done that, and continue to do so.

Perhaps Horowitz should simply replace the word "corporations" in that quotation with the word "government." That statement would also be true, and a whole lot more abuses could be added to it.

Horowitz seems to be operating under the idiot notion, "corporations=good, government=bad." In truth, that position is just as stupid as the libs' assumption that "government=good, corporations=bad."

The true conservative tradition, coming out of the West's Christian roots, would recognize that since we are a fallen race, all human institutions (government, corporations, and yes, churches also) need continual criticism. The Friedman quotation Horowitz uses at the end is disingenuous because while he insists that corporations must abide by "the rules of the game," he does not define those rules. The reality is that those rules are set politically -- and they may include things like environmental consciousness as well as avoiding accounting fraud, if we politically make that decision. The notion that corporations should simply make money and avoid politics is nonsense. Things never work that way, and they never will.


If "Jesus was no leftist" ...
... why are so many of his followers seduced by Socialism?

The answer to the above question depends on whom you ask. Let's ask the same question during imaginary interviews with four different people who represent all four quadrants of the Religious/Secular & Left/Right divide.

Sorry, my entire post exceeded the 2000 character limit. Please click on: http://voice.townhall.com/g/a68d177a-9aa6-4dd2-88da-b7d3053c4ccd

Then, check out the following questions:

Question: which of the above represent a CONSISTENT position?

Question: which of the above represent a CONSISTENT and CORRECT position?

Corruption
We decided that government is the best of all solutions and gave it numerous unconstitutional powers. So, why is anyone surprised that our country became a breeding ground for corrupt businessmen, lobbyists, and politicians? Democracy replaced our constitutional republic (Article 4, Section 4), and democracy rewards corruption so long as you do not get caught. http://www.poorgrandchildren

Controversial morality
is at work with the left leaning Christians. They are all for assumption of corporate responsibility for health insurance, leave for pregnancy, leave for taking care of sick relatives, greening of America, concern for those in other countries who don't have what we have. However, none of this is free. As Professor Walter Williams recently said, to give a dollar to someone else, it has to be taken from someone who has earned the dollar. So, what is the moral imperative? A company owes a profit to its stockholders who take the risk of investing. To give away profits for other causes we rob the stock holder. The recipients of this largesse have not earned the dollar. It has been given to him. What is the value of involuntary charity? What are the negatives?

Good Samaritan
In the story of the good samaritan, the Samaritan was able to do what he did because he had the wherewithal to do so.

Missing from Horowitz's analysis -- Marx
Completely missing from Horowitz's analysis is any mention of the clear impact of Marxism on these "religious" socialists. Do the research, Carl; the social progressives in religious garb are all, every one of them, touting some form of religion-coated Marxism, filled with class warfare rhetoric. Anything that touched the National Council of Churches in the 1970s is clearly Marxist, and you should look carefully for the coincidence of Catholic social progressivism and Liberation Theology; they're cousins.

What we're seeing is not a Christian conflict, but a politically-minded heresy operating in the sphere of influence that that heresy identifies as central. To the Marxist, economy is truth, and that's where these "christians" operate.

Political atheism is political suicide
Voice of Reason used Carl Horowitz's flawed analysis as a springboard to post a series of ideological statements (9:51 AM, 9:52 AM, 10:04 AM) explaining his political atheism.

VoR, I find some of your positions palatable, but not this one. Allow me to recommend two readings for you:

1) If you haven't done it recently, re-read chapter 17 of de Tocqueville's Democracy in America. He explains like nobody else the seamless connection between America's Protestantism and her liberty. My question to all atheists is: if Christianity had not already produced the astonishing liberty of self-government on this continent, could atheism have done so? Based on the half-dozen atheist governmental experiments of the 20th century (not to mention the French Revolution), the answer is not "No," but "Are you insane? HELL no!" When atheism tries to create just societies, the result is a bloodbath.

2) A very difficult book entitled "After Virtue" by Alister McIntyre. McIntyre is thick and writes poorly, but his thesis is correct: lacking either telos (a clear understanding of man's purpose) or religious imperative, western moral discourse cannot possibly have any meaning. We use the words of morality, but they have no teeth.

By the way, VoR: the correct answer to your question, "If Jesus was no leftist, why are so many of his followers seduced by socialism?" is "Because Marxists deliberately targeted the western Church in the 1930s, 40s, and 50s with spies, and those have risen to the top of their fields." Christian socialism is not just a heresy, it's a deliberate attempt at a takedown.

Inkling_revival: thanks for the ..
.. recommendations.

BTW, I don't disagree that American Protestantism provided the fertile ground that allowed the concept of individual liberty (and it's economic corollary, Capitalism) to take root.

There is no way to prove or disprove the negative hypothesis that atheism could NOT have produced Capitalism. However, there is no religious basis for the existence of Capitalism - in fact, altruistic tenets of most major religions would deem Capitalism to be a predatory system.

There is nothing axiomatic in any form of religion that suports Capitalism.

Your contention that Marxists infiltrated the Church may be historically accurate - I don't claim to know the answer to that. But, if there was something axiomatically Capitalist in American Protestantism then it should've withstood that onslaught - don't you think - particularly, since Marxism is inherently bankrupt?

My contention: there is a TROJAN HORSE in our moral code. There are several articles on related subjects:

"Trojan horses sneak in, along with Judeo-Christian values"

"Altruism causes .. Cancer? "

"A free lunch program - with productive Americans as the entrée "

These may be found at:
http://voice.townhall.com/page2

Voice of Reason
Is it fair to sum up your view as one in which people should be able to keep their religious tenants, the ones that govern private life, in the private sphere, and also be able to operate out of a totally different set of standards in the business, or public sphere?

In your view, then, would it be all right to make alot of money selling arms to Syria or Iran, Making toys with lead paint to make them more appealing and thus more competitive in the business world? (If you could get away with it)? As a business atheist, it seems you would be able to ignore the social consequences of any profitable decision.

If this is so, you must admit it's hardly new. Businessmen and Christian businessmen do this all the time. What puzzles me about the column is that love and justification of wealth is a popular topic in Christian churches. Poverty is usually considered vaguely sinful and poor people undeserving.

I think that what you are doing is codifying a set of standards that is already there.

sorry
tenants should be tenets

Inkling
"If Jesus was no leftist, why are so many of his followers seduced by socialism?" is "Because Marxists deliberately targeted the western Church in the 1930s, 40s, and 50s with spies, and those have risen to the top of their fields." Christian socialism is not just a heresy, it's a deliberate attempt at a takedown."

Nice try, but dead in the water. Socialist practices built on religious principles existed way before Marx and do today, such as the Mennonites and Amish, and to explain them away with communist spies is pretty hoo-hoo.

Christian-inspired socialist communities go back to the time of Christ (have you read about the Essenes, one of many such communities)
and have popped up many times since then.

What isn't supported
Christ never said raise taxes and redistribute wealth(steal) to take care of the unfortunate amongst us. He said to "take up your Cross", in other words do what YOU can and stop worrying about what everyone else is or is not doing. It never ceases to amaze me that, people who are filthy rich(Hillary), want to take money from those who do well for themselves, to feed the poor. I bet her and her own could make a sizable impact if they did not own 5 mansions and bank away 100,000 dollar speaking engagements. The U.S. Government, not just the Dems, make me sick sometimes...

joj
Please provide resources for your post to inkling. So far as I can read in it you are using stereotype as fact.

Solo610
Amen! this age we are living right now will be known as The Age of Arrogance.

The Socialist Bogeyman
My goodness, what a bogeyman socialism becomes on conservative blogs! People of liberal or progressive inclinations are automatically suspect of being closet socialists, when many, in my experience simply recognize that capitalism requires a certain amount of regulation to counter its natural inclination to focus entirely on profit and externalize as many costs onto people and the environment as possible.

What would Jesus Do?
It is really clear what Jesus would do: Nothing. "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." We, as individuals, are responsible to each other. Not corporations, nor any other organizations. Those are earthly matters and not God's.

This is a very powerful and unique to Christ. Thus, as a Christian, I find the "what would Jesus do?" questions to be offensive. I think the people and organizations who use that term to be frauds.

Jo J
I believe that religion-inspired altruism becomes malignant when it crosses the private/public line.

However, that doesn't mean that I would condone illegal sales to countries that are America's enemies.

Nor do I believe that free-market capitalism encourages manufacturers to use unsafe materials or methods. In fact, the desire for manufacturers to build value is BUILT-IN to Capitalism. That includes the association of one's products and brands with good reputation, honesty and safety.

It is a myth that Govt regulation protects consumers from predatory manufacturers. A very strong case can be made, in fact, that Govt regulation causes the minimum standards prescribed by Govt regulators to quickly become the maximum standard of the marketplace.

For example, if the Govt 'seal of approval' can be obtained by cars that withstand a 10mph collision, there is very little incentive for mfrs to produce cars that can withstand 20mph collisions.

Likewise, if a bank can obtain FDIC or FSLIC credentials with only $1M in reserves, there is very little to distinguish it (in the eyes of the public) from another FDIC or FSLIC bank with $100M in reserves. The result - the S&L debacle of recent history!

Army Vet
Your point is well taken - most of the altruism that one encounters in politics falls into the category of 'posturing'.

But, one has to ask, why is it so effective?

Socialism's biggest victory (albeit a Pyrrhic one) has been the voluntary acceptance of the producers that they should live for the sake of their parasites.

In America, many hardworking people who are not of the looter / moocher persuasion routinely vote for entitlements, or for politicians who support ever-expanding programs such as Universal Health Care, Public Education and Welfare.

Those benevolent souls are convinced that they are 'doing the right thing' and 'levelling the playing field' by their charity - hey, if it's voluntary then it must be a good, charitable impulse, and who are we to argue? In fact, they would argue that it is the baser nature of conservatives that makes us oppose such impulses!

The VOLUNTARY acceptance by the producers that they should live for the sake of their parasites is something that deserves more scrutiny.

Consider that one has to be fairly smart to be a 'producer' in a competitive market. So, you would think that it takes some special mojo to convince reasonably smart, successful, competitive people to voluntarily work that extra bit harder for the sake of their uninvited hitchhikers.

It comes as a surprise to many that the 'mojo' is nothing more than a perverse extrapolation of the producers' own charitable impulses.

And THAT is my premise - that religious-inspired altruism predisposes us to fall for this nonsense!

John in Oregon
The YouTube link contained in Army Vet's post is a chilling reminder.

Universal Health Care is another clear indication of this. You may want to read "And 'free' health care for all .." at http://voice.townhall.com/g/654fd9b5-7314-4731-a311-90df415cbe80

BTW, the (R) party is not exempt from criticism on this account. They too, have used Govt largesse to help them secure their voting blocs. I don't let them off the hook for THEIR corruption and malfeasance, but they are pikers when it comes to drifting to the left. In fact, some have argued (although I disagree) that when the 'competition' is giving away the store, it is difficult to compete for votes without crossing that line as well.

But sadly, Socialism is far from being a bogeyman -- it IS the 'default' choice that faces us if a (D) candidate wins in 2008. Each entitlement will be a stepping stone to the next, and we will have doomed our economic prosperity, while digging the hole deeper for generations of Americans.

If an (R) candidate wins, the Leftward drift will continue - but at a slightly slower pace.

Socialism and morality
Without religion there would be no morality. When it ocmes down to it it is the individual that makes moral decisions. One should not steal because it is wrong. For a moral person that is all he needs to know and act upon. There is no legal basis for keeping religion completely out of government except for that manufactured by the courts. When it comes to power to act neither government nor corporations should have absolute power.

There was a question that if Jesus was not a socialist why are so many Christians seduced by socialism. My answer is that they are not following their own rules. The Bible tells us that homosexuality is an abomination but church decides that they are going to put gays in the pulpit and allow gay marriage. A church that does that has demonstrated that they can change primarily religious law. There is that lure by the socialists that they are going to help the poor and downtrodden. Idealism in most cases is a functional lure but in the socialist world it fails.

voice of reason's premise
Does religious-inspired altruism predispose people to fall for socialist equalizing policies? No. Rather, an illogical idea, "fairness", coupled with materialism does the trick rather nicely. As others have recognized above, altruism serves that most important socialist need - to feel morally justified about the looting, mooching, discriminating, perverting and opressing they must do to manufacture their ideal society. As Dennis Prager deftly points out, socialists care most about how their policies make them feel and least about whether they work. That's why they'll continue to support affirmative action policies even as the evidence mounts that it does more harm to minorities than good.

Accordingly, since feeling good animates socialists to demand sweeping changes to society, their feelings regarding what's currently wrong with society can't be based on altruism, but rather fairness. Have you ever met a socialist who felt that capitalism is fair, that it distributes the rewards of economic activity fairly, and that the laws they propose would not secure a more fair distribution? I haven't.

In contrast, Christians must not worry about fairness, which will free their altruism from illogic and direct it to alleviating the proximate suffering they can. In turn, they'll draw their power to work good in the world from the Holy Spirit instead of the unholy screeds of evildoers such as Marx and Moyers.

RCB, and why are people predisposed ..
.. towards the mostly 'manufactured' concept of fairness?

Why does 'fairness' feel so good - that it can be abused by Leftists to further THEIR goals?

Consider that we are raised on parables that extol 'giving' and 'charity' and 'sharing'. Our moral code sets these on a platform, and re-inforces them with anecdotes and sermons.

With those concepts in our minds, we are easy prey to the advocates of Leftist thought. Pre-conditioned by our faith to 'give' when the plate is being passed around, we extrapolate that into 'giving' in the public forum.

In fact, it takes an act of intellect to OVERCOME that sentiment.

So, St. Moyers
wants to create "heaven on earth" by using the coercive power of the state to compel equality of outcomes? It's the collectivist/socialist mindset, but is it Christian? Moyers is no doubt inspired by the earliest church model, detailed in Acts, where everyone held all things in common and distributed goods and services to all as needs presented, but this model didn't last because of the greed factor, a basic component of human nature, even among the elect!!!(Acts 5: 1-11) For his part Paul would write that if any man does not work, then neither should he eat. (2 Thess. 3:10) God loves a cheerful giver, but freeloaders need not apply!

It bears repeating that the state should never be identified with the Kingdom of God on earth! Just ask Rome how its attempt at fusing the two has historically worked itself out. Why else would Rome squash so-called "Liberation Theology," that Christian/Marxian hybrid that advocates the violent overthrow of oppressive regimes?

Manufactured fairness
Just to be clear here, voice of reason, I add a prior step to your premise rather than detracting from it.

I agree that phoney altruism provides socialists the warm and fuzzy feel-good justification they crave for looting from the haves to give to the have-nots. But one doesn't get to the second step of this Tango without stepping off the first - fairness.

But the first step in this Tango is itself illogical. Fairness is (nearly) entirely subjective in its application to situation and actor, which is why it can't be expanded beyond these very narrow terms to justify a sweeping endictment of economic freedom, of which "captialism" is but a synonym. However, how can the same property, contract and procedural laws that previaled and played a part in securing an unjust weatlth distribution be called fair after wealth is redistributed to achieve social justice? In other words, why is it justified to disapropriate the rich by force after they've earned their wealth under the prevailing laws, but unjustified for the rich to disapropriate the poor under the same set of laws? I've never gotten a decent answer to this question from a socialist although I've posed it to several of them.

Now, the socialist standard of fairness is illogical. Moreover, it does not arise from or draw support from Christianity rightly understood. Indeed, Christianity is a very unfair religion because it makes clear that not everyone who has ever lived has been offered the terms of salvation. This itself states an unequal distribution of salvation that most Christians I know find difficult to confront. But them's the breaks. After all, should a pot destined for the midden heap complain to the potter of its fate?

Getting Christianity right
There is a huge history of leftwing Christianity. Roman Catholicism has a significant tradition of criticism of capitalism, which Catholics like Michael Novak try to challenge. It's about time a conservative columnist recognized that this strand of Christian thinking exists. However, conservative, of course, know that it is wrong. There is even a papal encyclical or two denouncing capitalism, but never mind, Christians can and must be, to borrow from a famous name, capitalist tools.

What the conservative Christian knows is that a capitalist sysstem is devoid of morally significant flaws. It only serves good ends that Christians can endorse. Indeed, the free market is part of God's plan for how human beings should live, right up there with salvation and voting conservative.

The Christian can only be on the Right; leftwing Christians cannot possibly be Christians, no matter how lengthy the history of such views may be. Just thought I'd tell you.

Gestell writes:
"leftwing Christians cannot possibly be Christians"

"With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" Jesus, as recorded in Matt. 19:26

RCB writes: "Christianity is a very unfair religion because it makes clear that not everyone who has ever lived has been offered the terms of salvation."

"the terms of salvation?" Seems to me that all souls are accountable to God only for the light of understanding that has been given to them, -see Romans 2- and no more than that, unless God is a Calvinist who has predestined some (or even many) souls to go to hell by withholding salvific grace from them. If that is your argument, Calvin's, then how do you defend the proposition that God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to a saving knowledge of the truth? (2 Pet. 3:9)

Government Charity Is Not Charity
Religious people who would try to use the government to impose charity on the population are trying to pass off their duty to someone else. Often, they pretend they are virtuous by doing so. The truth is that there is no virtue in giving away other people's money, talent or time for charitable purposes--only your own. Indeed, it is covetousness regardless of the intent. It makes the commandment to be charitable of none effect by passing it off to others. That is why socialism is counterfeit charity and it deceives religious people who flirt with and champion it.

Capitalism in Disguise
If Adam Smith were alive today, he would not be able to recognize, what we call Capitalism.Mr. Adams always saw Capitalism as a reflection of ones self-interest,not "GREED" or "THEFT".Today we see individuals placed in Jail,for various financial infractions,and we think that the system is "WORKING".How SAD!The Accounting regulations are almost 1400 pages,and no one reads them.But yet we all feel that the game is not rigged.Until the rules are enforced,and the public understands those rules,men will continue to go to jail.Let's weigh the incentives;$200,000,000 for 7 years in a Country Club,with "HOOKERS".That's better than 70 virgins!The parade,or charade,will continue.IT'S YOUR MONEY!!!

Gestell, read the Bible
Start with Romans 9:14-21, which provides:

What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' " Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

See? The argument I made was not Calvin's, but the Apostle Paul and Moses'. Ever hear of them? Besides, this life is its own reward, which is why everyone who gets a life owes a death. What's more, everyone's light of understanding includes the own evil he does unless he does not know good from evil.

Give things another think-through, Gestell, and while you're at it, make a convincing case for me that someone who has never heard of God can believe in God enough to accept the terms of salvation, of which he's also never heard.
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