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Thursday, May 14, 2009
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
Heard That (Middle East) Song Before
by Cal Thomas
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visits Washington next week and if anyone wants an appropriate song to characterize the buildup to his meeting with President Obama it should be the old Sammy Cahn-Jule Styne number "I've Heard That Song Before," which goes, "It seems to me I've heard that song before; it's from an old familiar score; I know it well, that melody."

This time there is a twist. King Abdullah of Jordan, in an interview this week with the Times of London, raised the stakes by predicting war if the Palestinian side doesn't see real progress toward its own state.

Abdullah said a 57-state, not a two-state solution, is what's needed, which means all Arab and Muslim states, as part of any deal, would need to recognize Israel. Good luck with that.

Last week in London I spoke with Liam Fox, a conservative Member of Parliament and "shadow defense secretary." Fox told me, "There is a belief in some quarters that if only you can resolve the problems between Israel and Palestine, all the other problems in the Middle East, in a domino-like fashion, will fall into place. That is absolute nonsense."

Indeed, it is.

Fox said on a recent visit to Iran that Iranian politicians told him they realize they lack an air force to fight back if they are attacked by Israel, so they would use Hezbollah and Hamas. "They are part of our defense policy against Israel," Fox quoted them as saying, "Hamas is not part of the Palestinian problem. Hamas is the foreign-policy wing of Iran in Israel."

If words mean anything, consider these from the Hamas Charter: "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgment Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. ... There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

Hezbollah has its own charter. It says in part: "Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease-fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated."

Anyone see any wiggle room there? Have the actions of these two radical Islamic organizations, and their many cousins, demonstrated that they don't mean what they say?

As I have previously -- and repeatedly -- noted, the pressure from the United States ought not to be on Israel, which has mostly lived up to every agreement -- from Oslo, to Madrid, to Wye River. U.S. pressure should be directed at those bent on Israel's destruction. Israel's enemies lost land through military action aimed at destroying Israel. They are winning it back through diplomacy, pressure and terrorist acts carried out by their proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel's enemies have used this newly acquired land to launch attacks.

Gaza is the latest example. Israel unilaterally ceded Gaza to the Palestinians, which has been used as a terrorist base for firing missiles at civilians inside Israel. Why would anyone think that additional concessions, including an autonomous Palestinian state, would deter Islamic extremists from fulfilling the mandates of their charters?

For people who regard any presence by Jews on "Muslim land" as a religious and personal affront and negotiations with "infidels" (that would be we American "crusaders" and the "Zionist entity") as against the will of their god, why should they be expected to compromise on a matter of doctrinal "truth"?

The Palestinians will deserve a state when they and their Arab-Muslim supporters prove by their actions and a reconsideration of their religious doctrines that they are prepared to allow Israel to exist in peace and have no intention of flooding a Palestinian state with "refugees" who might very well be used to finish the job so many of them wish Hitler had completed.

The question Netanyahu should ask President Obama is whether the United States wants to sustain the first democracy in the Middle East or whether it wishes to create another terrorist state?

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Oust Obama and All Liberals
Great Article Mr. Blackwell. You describe it so sublimely how corrupt and amoral Obama, Sebelius and the entire Liberal Establishment in this country are. And, these same Humane Liberals, will sit outside prisons and cry, chant, pray and moan over the impending death sentences of some who have tortured, raped and murdered children, but fully support the torture and dismemberment of unborn children without shedding a single tear for the fetus or for the would-be mother who has lost her soul, and in most cases, the taxpayers are forced to pay for these procedures that most civilzed people do not agree with.

God, help us all, if Obama and his diabolical schemes actually succeed. Obama and his entire administration and his cohorts in the U.S. Congress need to be exposed and removed from office. The only means that, We The People, have to do that is to Unite and Vote in Record numbers to replace these morally bankrupt individuals from office, and for the MSM and their talking heads such as Oprah Winfrey, The Nags on The View, and others, they need to be boycotted and their miserable shows that support and promote these Scoundrels and the Despicable Acts that they condone, will also disappear from the airwaves, and then Oprah and these other Immoral Feel Good performers can disappear into the dark shadows where they belong.

Gee Dammit.



This has been going on for thousands of years.

Will it ever end?



Yep.

OK here I go, The Prophet , Ratas, and remember, you heard it here first,

The world ends in 2012 as three different calendars predict.

Revelation predicts it. Three calendars predict it.

The Bible lays it out.

The Anti Christ is in power.

The Solar System appears to be heading for its final implosion.

From my Astronomy Courses, I suspect the Kind Sun that we all love, in its final days will suddenly explode, and expand to the orbit of Mars or Jupitor.

Instant toast.

The other alternative seems to be the final Nuclear war.

Israel, the beloved land must defend itself.

I, unlike our imposter in the whitehouse, will stand with Israel, and not the muslim killers and terrorists.



No, I do not think I am a whacko.

I do invite converse.

And another thing, way back in 2008 when I learned the media had chosen McCain, as the opposition, I concluded that we were doomed.

I still see that is the case.



Upside Down America
Terrorists/Illegal Aliens Above The Law
In this upside-down world of Obama and Company, the only enemies of the United States are us hardworking men and women who actually support our own families, go to church, believe in traditional values, customs, traditions and the U.S. Constitution of this Great Republic.

Under the Obama regime, we have a Justice Department that believes Foreign Enemies and Terrorists have the same rights as U.S. Citizens and are protected under our constitution, while at the same time this same so-called Justice Department is trying to deny Legitimate Rights protected by our Constitution to the legitimate citizens of this country.

Under the Obama regime, they hand out all Citizen Rights including Entitlments of welfare checks, food stamps, free medical care, social security to tens of millions of illegals who have invaded our country and are driving up our unemployment rates and drive down our wage rates.

It is time that patriots get busy and demonstrate against this upside-down administration and congress who are willing to go to any lengths to gain power at the expense of the citizens and the U.S. Constitution. Illegal aliens, terrorists and other asssorted Criminals are above the Law, and we hardworking citizens are being put under the Boot of these Socialists who are busy undermining the very foundations of this nation.

No there there
Joseph,

While an Israeli plane did attack the the Liberty it was a mistake. Recordings of the cockpit show that the pilot did not know what nationality the Liberty was and stopped as soon as the mistake was discovered. Just another ploy by anti-Semites to tar Israel.

Georgann,

If you want to talk about genocidal theocracies let's talk about Saudi Arabia where 13 young women burned to death because religious police refused to let them evacuate a burning building because they weren't dressed properly.

Let's talk about Iran where, according to president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, there are no homosexuals -- mainly because if any ARE found they are immediately killed.

You were never willing to listen to anyone but those who share your pigheaded beliefs. You may fool yourself, but not anyone else.

Just one note
Akagi mentioned that the Israeli's attacked the Egyptians in 1967. That is correct and then the Israeli's attacked our intelligence ship the USS Liberty which was sailing in international waters. This bloody murderous attack by our so-called allies murdered 34 American sailors and wounded 174 . The attack lasted for over 2 hours and the israelis even dropped napalm on this unarmed ship . Then they machine-gunned the life rafts lowered into the water . They did not want to leave any survivors. Not many americans know about
this incident because our "independent press" has blacked it out for fear of being called anti-semitic. Youtube has this BBC special "Dead in the Water: Attack on the USS Liberty" .

Herman
You are as obtuse as Akagi. You deserve each other. Neither of you has a brain in his head. As the saying goes, if brains were gunpowder you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose.

Go peddle your "I'm not anti-Semitic, I just disagree with the nation of Israel" nonsense to someone foolish enough to believe it.

Now you two are probably unable to comprehend this but the Arabs outnumber the Jews by several orders of magnitude. The males of military age in Egypt alone outnumber the whole of the population of Israel. For anyone to suggest that the Jews push the Arabs around is laughable.

Go elsewhere to peddle your stale, outdated lies.

Palestine IV
My comments
King Abdullah of Transjordan was also a son of Sherif Hussein of Mecca. So the Hussein family of Mecca had 4 kings - Feisal twice, Abdullah, and father Hussein.
Greater" Arabia was divided into separate nation-states.

A previous post that mentioned that the Palestinians already have a state is Correct.
Transjordan has become Jordan and the Family of the Sherif of Mecca [in modern Saudi Arabia].

So the Palestinian demand for "their own State"
is bogus.

Palestine III
1516 AD Ottoman Emperor conquered Palestine (map p206)

Volume 2
Allied breakthrough in Palestine (Sept 1918) [capture of Jerusalem] (p131)

Near East
The hetoogeneous agreements assumed by Brit. during the First World War complicated any constructive solution to the postwar problems.

1916 Brit.-Sherif Hussein of Mecca Agreement
promise of Arabian independence

1916 Sykes-Picot Note - secret agreement to petition former Turkish territory between Brit. and France

1917 Balfour Declaration (Jewish National Home in Palestine)

1918-1920 King Feisal [son of Sherif Hussein of Mecca] expelled from Syria

1921 Feisal [former king of Syria] becomes King of Iraq

1896-1924 Sherif Hussein of Mecca, King of the Hejaz [father of Feisal and Abdullah], becomes rival of ruler of Nejd

1924 Ibn Saud of Nejd declares war on King Hussein, captures Mecca and Medina, forces Hussein to abdicate

1926 Ibn Saud proclaimed King of the Nejd and Hejaz

1932 Kingdom of Saudi Arabia under Ibn Saud

***1923 SEPARATION OF Transjordan FROM PALESTINE [2/3's of territory of Palestine goes to Transjordan with its Palestinians]

Palestine II
Judaea 6 AD - a Senatorial Province in the Roman Empire (Map p94)

Jews in Palestine (in revolt from 66 AD) put down (p97)

Palestine part of Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire) (Map p138)

Islamic Caliph Omar conquered Syria and Palestine (Jerusalem 638 AD)

Seljik Turks had taken Jerusalem and Syria from Fatimid caliphs of Egypt and decisively defeated the Byzantine army in 1071 AD (p151)

[Crusades] 1099 Jerusalem was stormed . Christian feudal states with vassals were established.

Kingdom of Jerusalem was established. disintegration of kingdom in 1187 thru conquest of Jerusalem by Sultan Saladin

After the abortive revolt of Bar Kochba [132-5AD], the Jews were prohibited from entering Jerusalem (p15)

Palestine History 1
From reading the posts it seems that some posters do not know or care about the actual history of Palestine. So here is some simplified historical . information from the Penguin Atlas of World History, Volumes I and II, published by a British company.

"After 1500 BC the Israelites tribes advanced into Palestine. (p37)

From 1200 BC the coast of Palestine was settled by the Philistines (part of the stormy attacks of the Sea Peoples[Indo Europeans] and a league of city-states est. (p37)

Philistines migrated from modern day area of former Yugoslavia thru Crete and Cyprus to modern Israel. (Map p. 32)

858-824 BC Shalamaneser III [New Assyrian Empire] cemented overlordship in Syria and Palestine (p31)

539 BC Palestine becomes part of the Persian Empire (p39)

From 332 Palestine was under the rule of Alexander the Great. (p39)

63 BC Pompey oncorporated Palestine into the Roman Empire (conquest of Jerusalem). (p39)

In the short run
it's easier to steal than work.

Pessimism as Realism
That's what this article is, and I have to agree with it for now--in the absence of an argument that reasonably says otherwise. Jimmy Carter has a book on this subject; President Obama presumably has a plan or an intense effort underway, as we speak, to create a plan. Not to mention ideas of Dennis Ross, Hillary, George Mitchell and Netanyahu. Well, the latter is simply with Cal on this: Pessimism as Realism...or Realism as realistic Optimism.

Today insanity reigns
Today, and even for many decades, the modern west "doesn't win a war" apparently.
After (and before) WW2 many borders and many nations changed, but only in the case of Israel, where there are 57 other nations aligned against their tiny plot of land, constantly reduced, does anyone seem to hate any post WW2 so much or border scrawling so, so much.
As far as I'm concerned Israel could go back to the Balfour Declaration borders, and kick out all the muzzies - every last one of them, and they can toss their dome over the border toward mecca.
I know that won't happen, but it would suit me fine if they just moved them all out of the gaza strip and the golan heights - and off they go to their loving muzzie brothers and sisters in any of 57 nations that pine for their justice...
I mean really, I've never seen such a psychotic crowd of crybaby losers (anti Israel crowd) in all my life.
I can hardly wait for a REAL WAR, and I hope a dozen DR Evils fight it, the pathetic state of crybabyhood this entire western world is in is absolutely unbelievable.
The crybabies don't want peace, they want their never ending ignorantly poor violent moronic tarded selves able to whine "I'm a victim ! " till the end of their days.

AMEN BROTHER!!!!

OncealwaysaMarine
Location: IL
Reply # 2
Date: May 14, 2009 - 1:10 AM EST Challenge to the Bootlicker in Chief

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I would have said buttlicker in chief, butt what do I know?

Poor Akagi
Akagi
You miss the point entirely. After reading some of your previous posts, I can see this is not a new phenomenon. Have you been to Mexico? Have you been to any of the Southwestern states? Have you studied Mexican History? Have you studied American History? Have you studied the Exodus? Have you studied any history? After you do, your posts might have a measure of credibility. Hamas and Hezbollah make it impossible to reconcile this regional dispute with Israel and they do so with the full support of the Arabs and Iran. Israel is on constant alert due to the poisonous climate that surrounds them. I have no doubt that there is currently a nuclear missle aimed at Iran and I hope the safety is off.

It occurs to me
that as our national intelligence and education level plummets, as it has been under our idiot liberals msm and schooling and welfare control since the 60's, our nation begins to disintegrate into a warring tribal like long from now equivalent of the middle east.
I guess the best we can hope for since the libtards rule every corner with more inane paid followers all the time, is a slowing of the asinine stupidity and criminality that we see appearing at every level of our government, so that it doesn't completely plummet ot the level we've observed firsthand now in the middle east.
Might be tough though, libtards want to give aztlan back, pulled the free or discount home and mortgage for every minority plan, were or are planning on paying off "native hawaiians" or already did, and on and on and on.
If the libs actually do destroy the old boy network, America will be a crumbling ruins, and we all know it.
Down into the abyss the raging democratics and their insane cadre of fools takes us.

Steve
The "has the same moral force as a nation founded by the survivors of the Holocaust..." was simply a lame attempt to elicit sympathy for the Israelis...sorry those that are flying those F15s and AH-64s aren't poor, starving holocaust survivors...should we say the same about the Chinese because some of them survived Nanjing? Using the Holocaust is no more germane to this debate than...I don't know the sacking of Kaifeng. And since you used the buzzwords of anti-Semite and Holocaust, yes bringing in Hitler to show how inane that was was quite appropriate.

Again, you have the same mental defect as Shells and others that take this line...criticism of Israel equals anti-Semitism. I am highly critical of the PRC too (and often her defender as well)does this make me anti-Chinese? Anti-Asian?

Steve
My libertarian views wouldn't be very well thought of there and unlike here at TH, they would ban me.

The anti-Semite charge again, the last refuge of the Israel-firster. And I'm not here to get people to agree with me...truth to power or in this case truth to the stupid.

To Steve
Let me see if I follow your "logic":

If you criticize Israel you are anti-Semetic, so does it follow if you cricize Iran you are anti-Persian?

If I criticize Obama am I a racist?

I could go on and on but I think you get the point.

Akagi
Your logic is flawed. You are an anti-Semite. You can deny it till the cows come home but it doesn't change anything. Your posts illuminate your attitude, and that is one of arrogance and ignorance, a terrible combination.

Bringing up the Holocaust is not the same as bringing up Hitler. The Shoah was a reason for Jews to finally get a homeland so it is valid to bring it up in a post about Israel. It helps illustrate why there can be no lasting peace in the area. Hitler is a distraction from the conversation, one that you threw out there because you have no valid points.

You don't like Townhall, it's philosophy or it's Christian commenters. Why hang around? You are just trying to stir up trouble so don't whine, it's irritating.

If you want someone to agree with you go to the Daily Kos or Huff Po, not here. Your idiotic arguments will be appreciated there, here they just help point out your inadequacies.

Israel
That is something sad about a person who brings up the Holocaust who trying to discuss the Middle East situation.

It tells me a few things:

* The person is incapable of a logical argument.

* It also tells me the person isn't interest in debating, they are interested in smearing their opponent.

* It makes for a tremendous pre-emptive strike. That is why there is little or no debate in this country about our blind support for Israel.

Libertus
The difference is the US didn't invade Mexico in 1916 and then keep a good part of northern Mexico and started building American settlments protected by the US Army and having checkpoints all over Sonora and Chihuahua and keeping much of the population in a state of crushing poverty. And when something happened like an attack the US engaged in collective punishment such as bulldozing a family's house or cutting down a grove of olive trees (okay their Blue Agave plants). Compare Mexico's economy with Gaza's. And this is what the Palestinians wake up to every day.

What if?
I took the liberty of substituting Mexico and its Catholics for Hamas and Hezbollah in Thomas' quotes. Here is how it reads.

"The Mexican Catholic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California are Catholic lands consecrated for future Catholic generations until Judgment Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. . . . There is no solution for the Texas question except through war. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
“Our primary assumption in our fight against the American Imperialists is that they have been aggressive since 1776, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Mexican people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease-fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated.”

How would we react if Mexico came out with this tomorrow? Jews wake up under this kind of thinking every day. Would we talk or would we lock and load?

Daily
I'd say the settlers would be legitimate targets as did the resistance in South Africa...what was APLA's little saying again, "one settler, one bullet." The attacks on civilians inside Israel proper, I'd say these are out of bounds...this doesn't include police, the IDF or political targets though those are fair game.

You brought up the holocaust and anti-Semite...only logical for you to bring up Hitler next and the Godwin's law doesn't apply here since I didn't compare you to Hitler. And sorry Steve, I'm sure in your tiny Israel-firster brain any criticism of Israel makes one an anti-Semite, but sorry, It doesn't.




Jimbo
"You certainly don't deny that they have every right to say no, since it is land under their control, right? And they have a right to militarily destroy anyone/anything that tries to subvert that, right?"

As the Numremberg and Tokyo trials proved this is not the case. Israel is illegally occupying land deemed by the world community and in violation of several UN resolutions and didn't the US go to war and remove a regime for doing much the same, ignoring the will of the international community? Well, like Animal Farm, all countries are equal, but some are more equal than others.

And I were president of the US, I'd actually have a balanced foreign policy in regards to Israel and it would start by ending US welfare to that state and stop being its protector in regards to UN vetos.


You can't cure stupid
"Some of which were also terrorists themselves and spare us the Holocaust card...it has been played far too much for way too long."

Again you are trying to make a bunch of lawless killers equal to a true nation. The violent acts carried out by the Irgun were directed at British occupiers who had made and broken many promises to the Jews. Even the King David hotel was a military objective since the British were headquartered there. Innocent civilians were never targeted by the so called terrorists of the Irgun. Innocent civilians are the favorite targets of the Arab terrorists, even their own. Again your false equivalency goes down the drain.

You might not like the mention of the Holocaust but that's your problem. You spout off as ignorantly as you do and you'll find it gets mentioned. Deal with it.

If you don't like being called an anti-Semite stop acting like one.

By the way you are the one that brought up Hitler so by Godwin's law, you lose. But then that would be true in any case.

Jimbo--Part II
In 1860 according to McCarthy, there were over 400,000 Arabs in Ottoman Palestine which is rather more than Twain's comments. DeSoto said the same thing about Mississippi too. As for illegally, well, this is the 1st century, call it illegal if you want. Was it illegal for the Nuzhen (Jurchen) to sack Kaifeng and kill and rape its residents before burning the city in the 12th century? As far as that goes, Mexicans can say you illegally evicted them too same goes from the Indians.

"The issue is moot however you want to look at it. You don't propose though, you fool, that any other country give back any of its land to the tribes and backward folk that they replaced, do you?"

You must no pay attention. First, I don't call on Israel giving back the land it took in 1948...these are lost forever, but the lands in 1967 which the world community has termed an illegal occupation, yes. I also call on China to withdraw from Tibet (also deemed by the world as an illegal occupation)as well as Xinjiang. I supported East Timor's independence. Aceh and Jayapura should go as well if they desire. The Basques in Spain? Let 'em go. The Kurds, them too.

And you too seem to be taking the South African Nationalist narrative as well. "none of those backwards savages until us cilized types arrived." And the anti-Semite charge again, funny charge coming for a racist like yourself. Backwards people...yes...that makes you a racist as classically defined...one who believes in his own race or group as superior to those "backwards" people.

Jimbo--Part I
"Akagi only goes back to just prior to 1922 before his idiotic statement about who was in the land "first". Idiot, what about millenia ago? I guess your archeology doesn't go back that far. Who was in the land then?"

And those living in Israel today have about as much connection to Jews living there in the first century as I do. Sure some distant ancestor may have lived there some 60 generations ago, but does Bibi look like what a first century person from the ME would have looked like? He looks like what he is...a European. As far as that goes I may be related to Ghengis Khan does that mean I can move to Mongolia and as I said since Poland was part of the Mongol Empire, does Mongolia have claims on Poland? Should Mexicans get to take your house?

There are a dozen or more groups that have lived on that land over the last 5,000 years, staking a claim as one of those groups (and a group you are hardly even related to)today is rather idiotic.

"...find some religion..."

I have, just not yours which I find not very appealing to me.


Akagi's sophisms
Details, details, details. Well, then you should be happy that since the Camp David Debacle, and the failures of Oslo, that we sit right where we do. And you should have no problem with an autonomous country saying no more. We won't negotiate any further. The end. And as Willy Wonka would add, "Good Day, Sir."

You certainly don't deny that they have every right to say no, since it is land under their control, right? And they have a right to militarily destroy anyone/anything that tries to subvert that, right? Game over. If I were PM of Israel, I'd say something to the effect, "I firmly commit to give back all the land to the Palestinians after every other country in the world makes reparations for the land they've "stolen"; until then, Willy Wonka has a few parting words he'd like to say."

When?
"Israel has given in to demands so often..."

Camp David II was a unilateral surrender for the Palestinians and any Palestinian leader who signed that would have been killed. It was basically a modern version of the Treaty of New Echota and what happened to John Ridge?

The Settlements in the West Bank would have stayed in place, the IDF protecting the settlements would have stayed, the check points would have stayed and East Jerusalem would have stayed as part of Israel. That was totally unacceptable. The PA was willing to accept IDF early warning facilities on the hilltops inside PA territory along the border, but not IDF inside guarding basically illegal settlements nor the settlements themselves and not the checkpoints where Palestinian citizens were unable to move freely inside their own country? Would you accept Mexican checkpoints or Canadian or Chinese driving along in New Jersey?

Camp David II was a great deal for Israel, but not so for the PA.

Akagi, #1 idiot
Akagi only goes back to just prior to 1922 before his idiotic statement about who was in the land "first". Idiot, what about millenia ago? I guess your archeology doesn't go back that far. Who was in the land then?

This is why you are such a hopeless fool. And why you'll always be so until you admit your foolishness, find some religion, and take a vow of silence while you unlearn all the crap that's been jammed in your head from god knows where.

Hebrews/Jews have populated the land since before 2,000 BC. Any Palestinians there then? How about the Brits and Ottoman Empire, as you quote, acknowledge the fact that the Romans illegally evicted the Jews from their land around 70 AD? Now that's really having your land stolen, Akagi the Fool.

But you know what, all you have to do is read Mark Twain's discussion of Palestine back in his day, where he described it as a desolate land with nary a person. So Israel moved in, like all countries have done throughout history. The issue is moot however you want to look at it. You don't propose though, you fool, that any other country give back any of its land to the tribes and backward folk that they replaced, do you? Why? Because you're a fool...and probably an anti-semite to boot.

Daily Steve
"that says a bunch of terrorists who exist for the sole reason of killing Jews has the same moral force as a nation founded by the survivors of the Holocaust."

Some of which were also terrorists themselves and spare us the Holocaust card...it has been played far too much for way too long. Sorry, no effect. And if you had to live like many do in Gaza or the West Bank, you'd not feel too kindly toward Israel either.

I never said there were no Jews before the 20th century in Palestine, but compared to the Arab population is was "almost" non-existent...read the qualifier.

In 1922, Jews were about 11% of the population. By 1945 they were 33%.

Anti-Semitic. Man do you get double points? Bringing in the Holocaust and Anti-Semite in the same post...now all we need is mention of Hitler and Auschwitz and you'd have hit for the cycle.


Herman Il #38
Your question is a glaring red flag to me that you do not know ANYTHING about the issue.

The dumbing down of America
It seems incomprehensible that the american people can be fooled by the 'terrorists' (not some newfangled democrats lingo) intransigence. Israel has given in to demands so often, but the muslim terrorists (there's that word again) wants only one thing. To destroy all jews like Hitler tried to do, but here I go again. I firmly believe that God is orchestrating world events. He has been offended so much, that He has decided if we want to do things ourselves, he will leave us on our own. The old word 'apocalypse' rears it's ugly head as the old Bible predictions tend to be bearing truthful fruit.
Does anyone in their right mind think that Israel will sit back and be slaughtered again, without doing anything about it. Think again.
Too bad, America has lost its relevance in the world. Now, that's Change. Look in the mirror, America!

same old same old
Lon is peddling the same old equivalency B.S. that says a bunch of terrorists who exist for the sole reason of killing Jews has the same moral force as a nation founded by the survivors of the Holocaust.

No one is ignoring the humanity of the Arab Palestinians except their fellow Arabs. The Israeli's managed to bring in hundreds of thousands of Jews from Arab countries and integrate them into their society at the same time the Arabs refused to accept their fellow Arabs who they ordered to leave Israel during it's formation.

The 'Palestinian problem' isn't that Israel won't allow a two-state solution, it's that the Arabs won't.

As for the assertion that there weren't Jews in Palestine before the 20th century only those who are rabidly anti-Semitic believe that claptrap.

article makes perfect sense
If one ignores the humanity of the Palestinians, this article makes perfect sense. Actual human beings care about their own interests over those of foreign powers. But in a badly written novel or the column above, the Palestinians exist primarily for the sake of Iran, with whom they share neither an ethnicity nor a religion.

In general one does not expect human beings to indefinitely accept foreign control over their borders and their movement. But Thomas' argument assumes that Palestinians should do so, so there is no reason to expect their behavior to be different if they were not under foreign control. Again if one thinks of them as fictional charaters in a badly written novel that seems plausible. In the real world it is hardly a safe assumption.

But I did have to laugh at the idea that the Isarelis have kept every agreement. Actually neither side has kept any of the agreements, with each side justifiying its straying by either expediency or the fact that the other side wasn't. To think the Israelis abided by Oslo requires pretty serious blinders.

Pheebor
Also I wouldn't call a producer a journalist as for being Christian, well, since so many Christians are in the Israeli corner (that Jesus coming back, the temple being rebuilt and all that thing again) that doesn't add any credibility to her work. If she was Buddhist, that would at least do that--since Buddhists have no dog in the fight they would at least be objective--Christian, Jew and Muslim all look at this question through their own biased lens...Muslims one on side and Jews and Christians on the other, but the data from the census both Ottoman and British back the Muslims assertion that they were there and were displaced by 20th century Jewish immigration most of it coming after 1922.

Herman
Since TH is a right-wing Christian site, funded and maintained by Salem Communications, a evangelical Christian network and since evangelicals support Israel 100% (has something to do with Jesus coming back not unlike what the President of Iran believes in regard to the 12th Imam), the answer is no and what do you expect?

If say there was a website run by the CCP, don't you think it would run articles that were 100% pro-China? Same thing here.

VA:

And Japan is quite able to produce its own nuclear weapons. Sorry, the Domino Theory went out long ago. First, Israel, then the US, then the world (cue evil laughter). Sorry, that dog won't hunt.

A open question for supporters of Israel
Is their a supporter of Israel in this country that doesn't get suspicious of the fact Israel is always in the right and its' opponents are always wrong?

That should be a glaring red flag to you that you do not know (or care to know) both sides of the issue.

Pheebor
And Joan Peters numbers have been shown to be pure bunk. In 1922, the Census showed 589,000 Muslims compared to 83,000 Jews. In 1930, 759,000 Muslims and 174,000 Jews. In 1937 the estimate was 875,000 Muslims and 386,000 Jews. And a 1945 survey showed 1.1 million Muslims and 600,000 Jews. And to quote "Her figures are not accepted by most demographers and historians, including Zionists. Norman Finkelstein and others have criticized her thesis and shown evidence of poor scholarship."

Peters claims a Arab population of 93,000 in 1893, but the Ottoman's own Census show the population was 198,000--twice her numbers.

From Time Immemorial is basically trash. Peters, a former CBS producer, with no training in history nor demographics. Real scholars, even pro-Israeli ones have savaged her work as amateurish and sloppy. I could go into detail the various and gross errors she made in her population estimates (used to back the same arguement the Nationalists in South Africa used in regards to the black population), but time and space restrict that. Look at Yehoshua Porath critique from nybooks.com if you have an interest.

Foreclosure
God did foreclose the mortgage when the promised Anointed Servant of the Lord was rejected by Israel. Read Luke 20:9-19.

Townhall and Israel
Does TOWNHALL ever publish an article on the Middle East that is not 100% pro-Israel?

Cal Thomas's column was so filled with cliches about Israel it could have been written by AIPAC.

So Netanyahu is coming to the U.S. next week?

Anyone want to guess why he is coming?


Jihadists are nothing if not patient.
If they eliminate the Small Satan (Israel) and the Great Satan (U.S.A.), they might well turn their sights on the Satan that is Japan.

If, through Iran or Pakistan, they obtain nukes, then the buffers of China and the Pacific Ocean that shield Japan might not be so effective.

PROFBLOG, you got that right. Heavens forefend BHO should think himself "acting like Bush." The king of Jordan may have pressed just the right button.

Tea Party II
"Watch and wait, and you will see what happens when Israels' enemies think they can gang up on her. God always wins!"

He takes his sweet time don't he? See Rome crushed Israel (to be precise Iudaea) in 70 a.d. and actually Israel ceased to really exist almost a century before that when it became part of Rome. But we'll just stick with 70 a.d. I mean burning the temple of the apple of God's eye should have really p*ssed him off, right? So Rome fell in 476 (400 years later) and the Eastern Empire (which Iudaea was once a part of now called Syria Palaestina) lasted until 1453. What God was busy on other calls?

"Hello. Sorry but God is unable to answer your calls for assistance at this time as his call volume is extremely high at this time. Your approximate wait time is....one thousand, three hundred, and eigthy-three years. Your business is important to us as we know you have a choice in gods. God apologizes for any inconveince this may have caused. Bye bye now."

Well, since 400 or 1300 years is a long time, think they simply fell on their own without any supernatural help?

Perhaps God was just mad at the Jews and wanted to make them pay for nearly 2000 years?

And since we don't know what God wants and which god (or gods or goddesses) is really the HGIC, anything can be attributed to God's will...right? So, in that case, yes, God always wins since the deck is stacked for him to win--like a roulette wheel with only black or all the numbers are 15 and you always bet black and/or 15. In that case God can never lose.

Tea Party--Part I
"the truth is God promised and gave the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants for ALL time..the fact that the Jewish people were scattered after 70 A.D.
doesn't mean God foreclosed on the mortgage.."

What god are we talking about? Seems that is a good deal of debate on that isn't there? How do you know your god is the real one or that book you claim is his word was written by a group of mad people and if I wanted what I said to be taken as truth, yes, I'd claim I was inspired by God too. I bet the Palestinians have a different take and since the land "God" promised them goes all the way to Iraq and into Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria, should these be brought into Israel too. Should US policy be based on a book of dubious credibilty?


Tea Party
Don't bother with Akagi, please. His (or her) sheer number of unfactual or misleading "facts", and vast numbers of posts putting them foward shows that Akagi is ideologically committed, and that nothing you will say can matter. The most basic errors are ones of historical demography, as amply demonstrated by the national archives of the nations involved (including Britian), and documented in "From Time Immemorial" by the Christian journalist Joan Peters.


Akagi
Regardless of where the palestinians originated, it does go back to the conflict between Abrahams sons..Ishmael and Isaac. And
God brought Abram out of Ur and brought him to the land He promised Abram and changed his name.
to Abraham. It doesn't matter whether you believe what the scripture says or if you rely just on secular history..the truth is God promised and gave the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants for ALL time..the fact that the Jewish people were scattered after 70 A.D.
doesn't mean God foreclosed on the mortgage..
it is still theirs. As far as I and others are concerned that's the end of it, God said it and I believe it..no ifs ands or buts!
And as Jeff said in his 4:02 a.m. post..Ezekial
36-39.. Watch and wait, and you will see what happens when Israels' enemies think they can gang up on her. God always wins!

POTUS
will do anything, or say anything so as to not appear as Bush. The King of Jordan is no fool, having sized up our current president very well. POTUS is the rug, the arabs are the weavers. Both face Mecca.
I'll bet on Israel.

VA
"Those who think holy warriors ae incited by the policy of the U. S., or by any particular line it takes, are hopelessly wrong on the main point, which is that their objection is not to any of our policies. Their objection is to our existence."

Al Qaeda doesn't care about the Palestinians nor did Saddam who tried to link the Palestinains to the run up to the Gulf War in 1990. But Michael Scheuer who wrote Imperial Hubris and who worked for the CIA dor 22 years doesn't take your view. That don't hate us, he says, because of who we are, that American women wear short skirts, screw around, drink beer, but because of US foreign policy--its support for Israel (which they hate) and US occupation of Holy Islamic lands--troops in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War (which caused Osama to declare war on the US), US in Iraq which hosts the most holy shrine in Shi'a Islam. You don't see Al Qaeda targetting Japan do you? And their culture is no less revolting to them than the US, but Japan isn't Israel's lapdog protecting it with US vetoes, Japan doesn't sell Israel F15s and AH-64s, and Japanese troops weren't in Saudi Arabia or in Iraq. On 9/11, Ron Paul was to some degree correct. They hate the US because of what it does, not what it is or thinks.


Cal Thomas on Israel and surroundings
I was a guest in Israel for a week in 2001. Our group participated in various seminars for six days, including several with Israelis who could hardly be called "hard-liners," an afternoon with an Israeli Arab leader and an afternoon with Arafat's foreign minister, Ziad Abu Zayyad.

This foreign minister had a nice line until he was asked tough questions, but his answers or non-answers to those made quite clear that Israel's Arab neighbors have no intention, ever, that Israel live in peace.

I believe Cal Thomas has it exactly right. I further believe claims that American media commentary is limited to the AIPAC view is not only false but likely to be disinformation.

The Bible
"also the Biblical reason, that "Palestinians" are largely descendants of Edomites--who (as the Books of Obadiah and Malachi point out) are divinely proscribed from ever re-establishing as a nation."

Is clearly wrong on this then as science shows they are descendants of various groups: Canaanites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Idumaeans, Nabateans and Samaritans, Greek, Arabs, Romans, Turks as well as others.

If you or your family were displaced and you can't return, you are a refugee. Simply because the problem has existed for the last 60 years doesn't make them any less a refugee. I suppose you left Calgary for the US on your own free will and not forced to live in a camp in Maryland or what not.

The other Arab states may not have, but that isn't germane to the discussion. Frankly, who cares what people in Iraq or Jordan want, but what people in Gaza City, Ramallah and Nablus, etc want is the issue.

Snooper
Is Turkey not a democracy? I guess we can quibble over if Turkey is in the Middle East or not. Isn't the claims by the pro-Israeli neo-Cons that Iraq is a democracy? And yes, Israel is a democracy, but in regards to the occupied territories, it is a democracy like South Africa under the Nationalists was a democracy.

Also the lands taken in 1967 were from Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Egypt and Syria were both Arab Socialist states not Islamists ones. Jordan was pro-Western, with much of its military officers trained at Sandhurst. The other main Arab force was Iraq, another Arab Socialist state. Jordan also didn't attack Israel until it decided to attack Egypt. The Arabs didn't attack Israel in 1967, the Israelis attacked the Arabs and the claim of Israel was on the verge of being attacked is pure nonsense. The majority of Egypt's forces were off in the south and not on the Sinai-Israeli border. Nasser wasn't going to invade Israel with what he had deployed in the north.

"Palestinian state" never will exist
(*) Arabs never have (despite of protestations to contrary) desired that such exist, as shown in 1948 (when Egypt, Syria and Jordan each invaded Holy Land to grab as much as possible--on which Jordanian monarch Abdullah I was honest, but Egyptian monarch Faruk and Syrian leader wern't).
(*) Useless Numpties described them as refugees--which vast majority were not (to term 1948 "Palestinians" as refugees is like calling me a refugee from Canada), and then have continued the pretence way past the point of absurdity (grandchildren of orignal pretend-refugees still call themselves "refugees"? only in Muddle East)
(*) also the Biblical reason, that "Palestinians" are largely descendants of Edomites--who (as the Books of Obadiah and Malachi point out) are divinely proscribed from ever re-establishing as a nation.

Quote from Christopher Hitchens:
(In an interview with Hugh Hewitt)
"Those who think holy warriors ae incited by the policy of the U. S., or by any particular line it takes, are hopelessly wrong on the main point, which is that their objection is not to any of our policies. Their objection is to our existence."

As it is to Israel's very existence. Ah, yes. Let us sit an reason together with Hamas and Hezbolla and extract sincere promises from them.

Like Obama
Hamas and Hezbolla clearly state their aims.

We find it hard to believe they really mean that they're going to destroy Israel, because that seems so .... harsh.

We're finding it hard to believe BHO has really taken over the banking system, the car companies, handed the census over to White House entities who have hired on several hundred thousand more ACORN stalwarts to come up with appropriate figures, etc. etc.

The fact that we must "sacrifice" while the elites in power continue to amass their fortunes through more and more kickbacks, bribes, unread stimulus legislation ... that they live in dachas while a bunch of us are having our homes foreclosed on ... well, gee, that starts to look a little Communistic.

We're so accustomed to living in the Greatest Nation in the World, it's hard to believe this Alinsky-ite and his Democrats are actually taking us down.

He laid it out in two books, numerous speeches, interviews and his rather sparse voting record (except, of course, when he "moved to the center" to win the election).

I shudder to think whose pressure he will bend to. "Sorry, Bibi. Can't have our loyal Muslim Arab allies thinking our country bends to outside pressure."

Cal Thomas,

I am afraid obama, the fraud and imposter's, response to your last question would be "Allah is Great".

The Only Democracy in the Middle East
I knew a priest who claimed he was 1/8th Jew. He was, and a delightful man! My eeing of English/Welsh/Irish/German stock, I'd be proud to be a little Jewish. The Jews I know are fine folks and the Jewish culture is one of pluck amd majesty, excellence and imagination.
The world is a far better place because of our Jewish brethern.

The land created for Israel has been fairly expanded by just wins against feckless invaders who think that a gang-raped daughter should be stoned to death for "family honor." Islamo-fascism is a throwback to the darkest ages of envious incompetance, arrogance, inane hate and ignorant bigotry.

I long for the Moslems to regain the high culture and arts of yore, but that will require the defenestration of hateful,ungodly mullahs and other riff-raff leaders who do not really care for the Moslem people, but only for blind and obedient "useful idiots" who think an honest and moral religion can comport with a heavenly reward of 96 (or whatever the number de jour is) fornicating virgins. Grow up! I've known some fine Moslems who favored my good scotch when they visited. They were too busy with the estate of good men to waste time with killing Jews, Kurds, or Tibetins.

Goshawk
"Netanyahu will do all that is necessary to protect his country."

Indeed every country should pursue its own interests. But it doesn't follow that the US needs to pursue the interest of that country as well. Need I remind you what Bush's response was when Chen Shui-bian's acts were deemed counter to US interests in the region? He got slapped down--in front of Wen Jiabao I might add.

Israel is free to attack Iran, simply the US should make it clear to expect zero support from the US when he does that. Basically tell Bibi, "you're on your own, pal."


Prime Minister Netanyahu
I believe, will show Ovomit what 'Leadership' is all about. He will not take any bull sh_t from Ovomit or any other Muslim! Unlike Ovomit, who is betraying the U.S.A., Netanyahu will do all that is necessary to protect his country.

No they don't
"They have a state Jordan."

In the 1890s, Arabs in what is today Israel numbered between 400,000 and 600,000 at a time when the Jewish population was almost nonexistent. And we aren't talking about the lands from 1948, but 1967. The Gaza and West Bank were never part of Israel, never intended to be part of Israel and the occupation of these have been deemed as illegal by the world community at large no less than Indonesia's occupation of East Timor was. Saying they have a home in Jordan would be like saying the Uighers have a home in Tajikistan or Tibetians have one in India or Nepal. They, like the Uighers, Tibetians and Kurds basically have no home.

TJ
"when a small country like Israel can "wag the dog",(the "dog" being the USA) there is something terribly wrong."

Long ago (18th and early 19th century) in Europe, you have these various alliances between states and it was often the smaller and weaker power that pulled its stronger and larger ally into a war that the larger power had no intention of fighting, basically becoming an unwilling proxy in the pursuit of the smaller power's interest rather than its own. This is an old story.

trespassers william
Winnie the Pooh fan are we?

Being anti-Israel doesn't make you anti-US and being critical of Israel doesn't per se make you anti-Israel. There is no evidence that Obama is either anti-Israel or anti-American though it is long past the US take a more objective stance with that country, Israel is not an American colony, an American state or an American protectorate and if it wants to be it should apply for statehood like everyone else did.


Eagle
"US will be marginalized in the middle east."

The US already is. The Arabs learned long ago the US wasn't a honest broker and it proves that every time it vetos any UN resolution even mildy critical of Israel--even those that democracies like the United Kingdom support. Why should they take the US seriously when it is obviously in Israel's corner.

DOA
This subject is DOA, as the author indicates, and as I posted on another thread yesterday.

Understandably, the pressure was put on cutnscratch masta 0 to do something.......but this pressure was put on him because of his ostensible support of muslim / arab nations......so they are calling him on it....mainly with the knowledge that he will fail, and he/US will be marginalized in the middle east.

I consider the middle east along the lines of most African nations.........these countries are marginalized nations and deserve no help from anyone in rest of the world until they start providing for themselves........



So many bleeding hearts here in the US consider this a country of haves and have nots.......
Nothing could be further from the truth.....
If anyone cares to pay attention to the Middle East and Africa, they will see Haves and Have nots in an entirely new light. Or Mexico for that matter...

In the US a have not is "forced" to live in a smaller house and drive an older car and maybe have an older CRT TV...........
A have not in Africa...........lives in a Tin house, in filth, no running water, no money.

In the US...a have not is guaranteed an opportunity to succeed by virtue of the constitutional freedoms afforded. Something most have nots conveniently forget about, when they exhort higher taxes on the "greedy".

In africa.....the only guarantee a "have not" has is that they were born into abject poverty and they will die in abject poverty.

We don't get it
We don't get it, i.e. the fact that the Great Oz and his ilk are anti-U.S. and anti-Israel. Nothing more needs to be said

You will find . . .
much more spirited discussion about the political situations that they live under (and have to endure) in the country of Israel than you find here. You would expect the United States, with its plethora of media outlets to have many different viewpoints and robust duscussions about these things.
No, the only "viewpoint" that is "permissible" is th one espoused by AIPAC (American-Israel Political Action Committee). ANY deviation from their pro-zionist view is considered "anti-semetic" and IS "political death" to those who dare deviate from it. A mistakenly open microphone during a heated discussion showed the angry Israel representative shouting "we own the US congress".
One cannot blame Israel for putting its interests first; that is the duty of any country. However, when a small country like Israel can "wag the dog",(the "dog" being the USA) there is something terribly wrong.
One only has to look at the USS Liberty and the subsequent "cover up" by our OWN GOVERNMENT to see the tentacles that Israel has in our country. Arguably, Mossad (Israeli spy agency) has the most effective clandestine spy network in the world. A small company (Amdocs) handles ALL telephone billing records for the United States. It is easy to see the surveillance capabilities of this company and what implications (and "dirt") that could be dug up on our politicians (and others). It's time to cut Israel loose as to funding and support; they don't need us.
Remember, "there's NO business like "shoah" business.

oBUMa Shortbus
oBUMa Shortbus is doing what he does best - making wrong choices!

Israel is our ally, we have supported each other continuously since the creation of the Israeli state.

While there are important differences between the U.S. and Israel, they still remain our stauchest supporter of democracy in a portion of the world populated by those who wish to destroy anything that is not a caliphate.

The choice is clear to Americans who love the continued liberty, freedom and independence of the American state - Israel's interests are our interests and vice-versa.

The Muslim-centered bowing and scraping oBUMa does nothing of benefit to this nation's security with his absolutely indefensible positions on almost every issue.

Kudos to Rush for being the first to shout out:
I hope oBUMa fails. If oBUMa fails, socialism fails, and the US can return to shoring up what remains of the once-great Republic.

They have a state Jordan
However, Arabs attempted a coup against the Hashimite rulers and were expelled. Now, none of their brethren want them.

THE GAZA WAR & THE HONOLULU BLACKOUT
On December 26th the Obama family was vacationing for Christmas in Honolulu when the island was hit by a massive power failure. Four hours later with the island and Obama still in the dark Israel launched Operation Solid Lead and went to war against Hamas in Gaza. Was this an ominous sign warning Obama about the dire consequences of meddling in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and trying to force a premature peace? As the blackout occurred during Christmas does the time of Christ's birth hold any answers for the ongoing Palestinian-Israeli conflict? For the answer click ApolloSpeaks scroll down and read "Hamas Leader Seeks Two State Solution."


Give it up,


Give it up, Sir Cal Thomas.

Any thinking person knows there is only one solution.

Kill all the terrorists.

Dear Joseph
You sir are typical of abject cowardice masquerading as moral outrage.

The fact of the matter is that Israel is most amenable to maintaining these United States as a free and independent republic. The enemies of Israel are not. In view of that, I choose to be on Israel's side in their disputes with the Palestinians and other murderous ladrones
who are undeserving of nationhood.

The choice is mine and mine alone. And neither you nor any of the other Osama bin Wannabes can ever change that.

Care to try anyway? It would make my day.




Cal, are you an AIPAC lacky ?
Cal, the reason that the Palestinian issue: meaning their continued subjugation by the racist zionists is important
is because most diplomats and nuetral observers outside of the US think there exists a great injustice to these Palestinians. Columnists like you who are either afraid of being fired by zionist extremists and/or blacklisted (you know they will call you anti-semitic) just cow-tow to the standard Israeli line when they call on you and tell you that you should write about Israel. I bet that these goons even write the column for you and you just sign it. Say it ain't so Cal !

Mideast Peace-Humanly Not Possible!
A. You can't make peace with multiple Muslim nations that do not want peace. They have one thing in common...to annihilate the Jew. If they weren't united in this one goal, they would be killing each other.
B. You can' make peace with multiple Muslim nations that believe it is OK to sign and then break a "Treaty" with "Infidels". A belief demonstrated in the past multiple times,and written in the Quran.
C. You can't make peace with offering "land" or alloting them their own nation when the Muslims do not want either land or a nation. See "A".
Keep in mind that prior to Arafat, there were no "Palestinians". The Jew has a valid claim to Israel historically documented for 5,000 years with enumerated boundaries.
Question? This is a "spiritual" conflict dating to Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael. I understand this as do many others. What is wrong with the rest of the world including Obama, Hillary, et al?
Answer: "Blind Guides" all.
This is "Allah" vs."YHWH".
Guess who wins! The "stage" is set and the players are all in place. Amazing!
(see Ezekiel 36-39)

Challenge to the Bootlicker in Chief
Tony Blankeley in a related article states:

"For the king of Jordan -- probably the least hostile to Israel of all the Arab states -- essentially to tell President Obama that if he doesn't extract a peace deal from Israel in the next six months, he will be seen by the Muslim world as no better than former President George W. Bush ("just another American government that is going to let us all down") is nothing if not a personal goad at the president."
___________________________________________

Obama's been offering himself as a rug for the Islamic world to walk on. As long as it stays "a personal goad at the president..." (meaning the king of Jordan will hold His Husseiness, himself, personally responsible...

I say to the king...wipe your feet on him.

It's a no win proposition for the "king of America."

If he succeeds in forcing Israel to capitulate to the 57 states, while being exalted among the useful idiots in America and Europe, he will be perceived by the other arab nations as a tool, willing to do their bidding.

If he fails to force Israel to capitulate, he will be perceived as unable to scare Israel into doing what he wants it to do by the anti-Semites who count on his ability to thwart the fierceness of a Conservative Netanyahu administration.

Either way, his assignment (as given by Jordan's king), is to prove his willingness to, not only buck Israel, but to defeat it. To disarm it. To, in effect, weaken it.

His shameless display of bootlicking when it comes to appeasing Islam, makes it a challenge he is eager to accomplish, but, I'll wager, one that he'll prove powerless to achieve.

Heard that song before
There can be no peace between Ireal and the Muslim (Islamic) wold till the Qu'ran and Shari law is changed.
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