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Thursday, April 23, 2009
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
Lost in Political Space
by Cal Thomas
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Sen. John McCain's daughter and his presidential campaign manager think they've figured out why McCain lost the 2008 election and what Republicans must do to win in the future. They need to be more like Democrats.

Steve Schmidt and Meghan McCain delivered their analyses in separate speeches to the Log Cabin Republicans, whose stated mission "is to work within the Republican Party to advocate equal rights for all Americans, including gays and lesbians."

Schmidt said he believes that a political party should not take or argue a position on same-sex marriage based on religious grounds. "If you put public policy to a religious test," he said, "you risk becoming a religious party, and in a free country, a political party cannot remain viable in the long term if it is seen as sectarian." Meghan McCain claimed, "Too many Republicans want to cling to past successes. There are those who think we can win the White House and Congress back by being 'more' conservative. Worse, there are those who think we can win by changing nothing at all about what our party has become."

In his remarks, Schmidt tried to engage in moral acrobatics, asserting that a pro-life position ought to translate into support for same-sex marriage: "The argument of the pro-life community acquires its moral force because it holds that the life of the unborn is not distinct in its dignity from the life of the born, and, thus, possesses a God-given right to be protected."

That argument could easily be turned around. If God gives rights to the unborn, doesn't He also get credit for defining marriage as between a man and a woman? The comment from the preacher at my wedding (and many other weddings in the "old days") seems relevant: "What God has joined together, let no man put asunder."

Republicans are in electoral trouble for many reasons, but one of them surely is not that they are insufficiently liberal on social issues. What's the point of having a two-party system if one party mimics the other? Many erstwhile Republican voters turned on the GOP not because they were insufficiently liberal, but because they were insufficiently conservative.

Schmidt and McCain could not begin to count the number of votes that would be lost were the party to abandon social conservatives and their issues. Whatever minimal gains might be made from younger, more progressive Republicans will be more than offset by older (and younger) social conservatives who will abandon the party and either stay home in disgust on Election Day, or vote for third-party candidates. Either scenario will bring the same result: the election of more liberal Democrats.

Meghan McCain said Republicans needed to look forward, be more modern, forget the past (presumably she means those Reagan and Republican congressional victories) and adopt new beliefs. Why not forget the Founders while we're at it? McCain's perfect candidate was on the "Today" show last Tuesday. Carlie Beck, a California high school cheerleading coach, was fired after she posed nude for Playboy. In an interview, Beck said she thinks everyone should make up his or her own morals. That "philosophy" is perfect for the GOP of McCain and Schmidt. It's beyond the "if it feels good, do it" code of the '60s. It's morphed into, "if it will get you elected, embrace it."

Dissing the past is a quality found mostly in arrogant youth who think they know more than anyone else and believe only they are enlightened enough to tell the rest of us how and what to think. But the past and those who have gone before are great teachers for moderns who would learn. The writer of Ecclesiastes noted that there is "nothing new under the sun."

Republicans can take old ideas that once brought them victory and repackage them for a new generation. Embracing what has worked -- economically, politically and morally -- has sustained America through many challenges. While a moral reformation cannot come through government, moral deterioration will advance with greater speed if political leadership does not remind the country of unchanging principles.

What shall it profit a party if it gains electoral victory, but loses its political soul?

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The way ahead
Meghan McCain claimed, "'Too many Republicans want to cling to past successes. There are those who think we can win the White House and Congress back by being 'more' conservative.'"

In fact, that's the only way: promote conservative policies and ideals, and make the case they're good for the country as a whole. Stop pandering to any group.

The majority of these twits that advocat
the "reach out" policies don't even vote Republican. That's like letting the Taliban tell the US how to best defend ourselves (oops - Obambi is already doing this - bad example).

Give it up, Meghan
You have no political credentials, Meghan. You were inane on the campaign trail and the string continues. You're irrelevant and so is your old man, who was the worst Republican candidate in a half century. Would that both of you would hang up your political spurs and go back to the BBQ castle built with your grandpappy's money.

The Republicans....
could just as easily be Democrats. To think they can go from being left-wing to right-wing is naive. They've demonstrated what they believe and that's not going to change merely by them losing a couple of elections. This is a liberal culture and therefore, most politicians are going to be liberal. Real political change isn't going to come from politicians. The Republican party has amply demonstrated that.

carlos
"Date: Apr 23, 2009 - 7:14 PM EST
Ranger29 - Ever been in real trouble?
Going after Bush on torture is like stiffing your lawyer after he keeps you of jail. It's so predictable that it's an essential business practice to get your money upfront if you're a criminal defense lawyer. Nobody went after bush a few years ago because he was doing what it took to save your self righteous butt."

Not true at all. Only the weak and losers use torture which describes the failed Bush perfectly. In all our history, from DC in flames from a foreign army to nuclear Holocaust any second, the government NEVER made torture national policy. Al Q bloodied our nose big time and the Bush regime panicked. Torture is wrong and more importantly is not reliable. I have said here many times that the failed Bush would be in the dock at the Hague for crimes against humanity even if it took more than 10 years. I am proud to say it looks like we, the people, will punish the weakling ourselves

carlos
"Date: Apr 23, 2009 - 7:14 PM EST
Ranger29 - Ever been in real trouble?
Going after Bush on torture is like stiffing your lawyer after he keeps you of jail. It's so predictable that it's an essential business practice to get your money upfront if you're a criminal defense lawyer. Nobody went after bush a few years ago because he was doing what it took to save your self righteous butt."

Not true at all. Only the weak and losers use torture which describes the failed Bush perfectly. In all our history, from DC in flames from a foreign army to nuclear Holocaust any second, the government NEVER made torture national policy. Al Q bloodied our nose big time and the Bush regime panicked. Torture is wrong and more importantly is not reliable. I have said here many times that the failed Bush would be in the dock at the Hague for crimes against humanity even if it took more than 10 years. I am proud to say it looks like we, the people, will punish the weakling ourselves

budbud
"Date: Apr 23, 2009 - 5:46 PM EST
"Social" Issues ALWAYS Change-PART ONE ..."

Conservatives have finally made the long transition. Conservatives are now reactionaries. I guess the real conservatives are the RINO's again.

I did neglect
to mention that the People can interpret the Constitution and laws through the ballot box AND THE JURY BOX


though our benevolent government would have you think otherwise

Actually, Samuel -
we ARE often able to do just that - and act accordingly.
We won't make any lasting change, though, as it is our own personal interaction with government that is affected.

The Constitution is designed to limit government, not the People - who are indeed sovereign - and may pursue their life as they see fit - as long as they do not infringe upon another's right to do the same. The actions of the People are limited only by their ability to work together for those majorities required to affect change. In our Republic, we elect representatives to champion our beliefs.
As for Amendments - they require the movement of mountains so our benevolent government (representatives) cannot arbitrarily attempt to remove our natural rights, endowed by our Creator (WHOEVER that may be). This gives the People time to either stop it, or decide it's time to change.

Like Ranger, I see no threat to MY marriage - now or in the future.
The only threat seems to be to the institutions that arrogantly believe they have the right of sanction regarding the marriage.
As I stated before, that would be between the couple and their God - sanction and judgement are out of our hands.




Grapeleaves29

The Prop8 California is only ONE of the States in The Republic that has banned gay marriage.

In fact, only FOUR States allow it.

What no discussion about either Roe or Doe?


You see, I don't believe that the GOOBERMINT has any business dealing with "MARRIAGE."

Civil Unionize all those who wish to do so.

Let the CHURCH perform MARRIAGE, which is THEOLOGIC.

budbud
"Date: Apr 23, 2009 - 5:46 PM EST
"Social" Issues ALWAYS Change-PART ONE ..."

Conservatives have finally made the long transition. Conservatives are now reactionaries. I guess the real conservatives are the RINO's again.

Ranger29 - Ever been in real trouble?
Going after Bush on torture is like stiffing your lawyer after he keeps you of jail. It's so predictable that it's an essential business practice to get your money upfront if you're a criminal defense lawyer. Nobody went after bush a few years ago because he was doing what it took to save your self righteous butt.

With due respect, Robert...
you're reckless with your terms. The people govern through proxy in a Republic. The people can CHANGE the constitution, but we're not individually ad lib to interpret the document as we see fit and act accordingly. It's not accidental that Constitutional amendments require the moving of mountains.

By your definitions, the people may form a majority and decide, via the legislative, that all gun ownership of any kind shall be abolished. Which is supreme? The Second Amendment, or the act of the people in the legistlative?

The problem, Robert, is that when you approach an issue from radically divergent world views, you can't beging to even agree on basics, which makes this exchange a waste of time. You believe in legal and moral relativism. I don't. Good day.

MEL- You Need To Get Out More!
Mel...

You don't think that gays have kids?

Every gay man I know over 45 has kids from a former, heterosexual marriage/relationship! In every case but ONE, the kids and the family are cool with it and still see, love and support their Dad. I can think of about 15 people just off the top of my head who this applies to. At one time, people just "got married and had kids". That's just what you did.

Go to any gay internet dating site. In the profiles section there is ALWAYS a "do you have kids" as well as a "do you want kids" question. You'd be surprised how many are checked YES!... It wouldn't be there if it wasn't relevant to a LOT of folks.

There are also a great deal of lesbians with kids from a former heterosexual marriage/relationship. Throw in the lesbians who have kids through IVF, the gay men and women who adopt, gay men who have kids with lesbian friends and the openly gay aunts/uncles/best friends of even their straight parents, and many kids today are indeed learning a real world acceptance of homosexuals.

Perhaps you should crawl out from under your rock and meet some people. Having kids does not require one be straight. It only requires straight sex sometimes. That's two different things.

If that's not too much for you to wrap your head around, I know several older gay men and one older lesbian who are not ONLY parents, but proud, active, beloved and involved GRANDPARENTS! This is not unusual in the least. This is all quite common Mel.

Robert...
"again you have not answered my question...why does gay marriage threaten "straight" marriage"

Who says it has to? This is a straw man. My opposition to the aggressive push for legal enshrinement of gay unions has nothing to do with insecurity about my own marriage. But to indulge you, I assume you would at least concede that the implementation of ideas has consequences. The "threat to your marriage" argument could just as easily have applied to the liberalization of divorce laws decades ago. What did we get? A lot more divorces, not to mention an explosion of single parent households. Free love? STD's and soaring illegitimacy rates (along with the attendant social pathologies wrought on all of us by their progeny.) The idea here is the law of unintended consequences.

It amuses me, if only slightly, that a notion less than two decades old is now seen as enlightened in the face of thousands of years of human understanding. Pardon me if I'm not ready to buy in yet. And don't conflate tolerance of a behavior with legal advocacy. Acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle is a far cry from embracing state sanctioning. If the ballot initiative in California (of all places) passed, then you're a little premature to say Americans are coming around to the idea of gay marriage. Just watch and see what happens in Iowa over the next 2-4 years.

If the people are the final interpreters of the Constitution, then we are also free to interpret the law according to our views. This is anarchy. The problem with radical libertarians like yourself is that you want the maximum personal freedom, but not the order that must exist for liberty to be protected.

Libs, I Volunteer!

As a Chanel aficionado, FMP-wearing, and mother of two small children, I, hereby, offer myself for a waterboarding session even though I have been called by some as as "elitist" or a "member of the lucky sperm club" by Hal even though my father left the home when I was 12, which was the same time that I first started working.

I will leave my guns at home to placate the gun control crowd.

To save another American life and debunk this torture crap, I am ready to undergo this so-called torture.

As God is my witness...

Just please don't prohibit TERMIX from visiting my home while I am undergoing "treatment" because those extreme right-wing termites are a b!atch!

Ranger29 - I'm well aware of Ben
Franklin's quote on security. And that's why I want limited govt - not a nanny state. Consider that govt's role is to provide essential services that the private sector can not. It's hard to imagine Franklin and Jefferson dealing with social issues while at work - to be honest.

Hal & Grapeleaves29
"... So, we can't use "enhanced Questioning " methods, methods our enemies would use in battle, but we can adopt our political enemies' methods."

Hal: Huh? Do you mean torture?

Denise: Only if it means that one of those "nice" enemies separates your head from your shoulders. Actually, I have called for an end to all "torture". Let the Liberal cities and Scranton feel the pain. Mother Nature has already beaten the terrorists to the punch in NOLA.

Grapeleaves29:

"The vote in SD which everyone on this forum who is 'pro life' runs away from...illustrates how weak in the voting public the 'pro life' stand is."

Denise: One State that has voted for abortion that voted for abortion right, but did not overturn the three trimester distinction, as set forth in Roe (and Doe). Try the majority of The Republic.

And, what about Prop8 and gay marriage bans in Arizona and most states?


From either side -
I hear little of freedom and liberties -

- it's always the government's job to take care of things. Public Policy - like all the really important laws - can fit into a 3x5 pocket notebook; and probably leave room for notes.

Marriage is between two people - most often within their spiritual beliefs and in concurrence with their God.
This does not necessarily require an interpreter - and government not at all.


PLEASE Let The South Pick The GOP Cand.
J-10 Wrote: The way our primaries are set up, the northeastern rinos get to pick our candidate. By the time we in the more conservative states get to vote the damage is done.



You want the South to pick the GOP candidate?

That would be great for liberals like me. The South would no doubt pick some very Southern, very Chreeees-chn candidate like Huckabee, who would utterly and completely offend the sensibilities of intellectual GOPers in the rest of the country who support the party for FISCAL/TAX/BUSINESS reasons only!

Have you ever met long time, old line Republicans from NYC or CT? They are either liberal or indifferent on issues concerning god, guns and gays! MOST are quite liberal.

Economy & Terrorism are Priorities
Be honest with yourself. Social issues will be nowhere on your radar screen if you lose your job or we get another 911 type attack. If we get another 911 attack - you think these torture investigations will continue? It's all about survival first and second.

budbud
"Date: Apr 23, 2009 - 5:46 PM EST
"Social" Issues ALWAYS Change-PART ONE ..."

Conservatives have finally made the long transition. Conservatives are now reactionaries. I guess the real conservatives are the RINO's again.

Robert...
Please cite from me the passage in the republican party platform on Marriage that references the Bible? Or for that matter how you arrived at the "99%." All you're doing is parroting the leftist boogeyman argument that the GOP = Religious Right Tyranny.

If social conservatives were wailing about homosexuality itself, your point might hold some water. One's reading of the Bible is for one's own conduct. This is public policy. Again, the issue is the tyranny of the minority. They don't get their way, they sue. They lose, they appeal. We vote to change the state Constitution, and they demonize democracy in action. Wake up man.!

budbud
"... they've grown up in a time when their gay mothers/fathers/aunts/uncles etc. haven't remain closeted..."

Er, budbud, something doesn't quite gel with your picture. Let's see. Two men (or two women) decide to get "married" and start a "family". Now they are going to have children and a nice happy family. What?!!! May I suggest you find someone to explain the "birds and bees".

So tell me -
Where will I find that PERSONAL, BUSINESS, and RELIGIOUS issues are anywhere near the province of government or legislation? All that is, is telling We, the People HOW to live.

Thank you all, but it's none of your damn business what I do - as long as I harm no one to do it. All the posturing by politicians, within our government, regarding HOW We, the People may live is just so much arrogance. Much the same can also be said of Religion - both want to control other people lives.

Note the distinction between "politician" and the government? There is a similar distinction between "religion" and their gods.

Gods and government are each greater than that which supports them.
Religion and Politics are Man, hungry for power.


budbud
"Date: Apr 23, 2009 - 5:46 PM EST
"Social" Issues ALWAYS Change-PART ONE ..."

Conservatives have finally made the long transition. Conservatives are now reactionaries. I guess the real conservatives are the RINO's again.

Two-Time Loser & Nutty Daughter

Sr. McCain lost TWICE because he was and remains a RINO.

Baby McCain voted for Gore and Kerry.

They have the right of free speech, but neither have the right to dictate as to how to define FISCAL CONSERVATISM.

s/ One bad arse fiscally conservative, CONSTITUTIONALIST INDEPENDENT, who once was a longtime REPUBLICAN.


PS: I did vote for McAmnesty because he was the lesser of the two evils, but since I don't drink it was...

V = voting
U = under
T = the
I = influence, if NyQuil qualifies
F = for
T = the
R = RINO
M = McCain


Meghan McCain...
needs to step away from the GOP and come back after she's immersed herself in Kirk, Buckley, and other luminaries of the conservative galaxy. You can tell she's fresh out of university and doesn't want to risk the opprobrium of her liberal friends and the cocktail set.

This business about the gay marriage thing being religious policy is ludicrous nonsense. This is about the tyranny of the minority. At absolute MAX, you've got 2% of the population demanding that the government redefine something that civil society has recognized for thousands of years. Take the theocracy argument and shove it. The homosexual lobby and their liberal enablers are the aggressors here, not the Church or the Republican pary. Remember that the next time Perez Hilton's buddies storm a church and start throwing condoms at the parishioners during a Sunday service.

budbud
"Date: Apr 23, 2009 - 5:46 PM EST
"Social" Issues ALWAYS Change-PART ONE ..."

Conservatives have finally made the long transition. Conservatives are now reactionaries. I guess the real conservatives are the RINO's again.

Ignore This Person
His little nothing sure gets a lot of free publicity on "conservative" websites. Can we please stop giving RINOs free publicity?? Who cares what she or her loser father think about anything?

democrat light
look I'm from the people republic of Massachusetts and I know how republicans run here and that is as democrat light. Let's see how many repubs get elected. hmm not many. Really why would someone vote for a fake lib when they could vote for a real one. We need to stake our position, defend it and then maybe we can make a serious comeback

"Social" Issues Always Change-PART TWO
There was a time when divorce or having a child out of wedlock was terribly scandalous and detested by social cons. Do you think the GOP or it's conservative followers would
DREAM of passing a ban on either of these things today?

The next generation have grown up with positive portrayls of openly gay characters all over their t.v and movies.

They've grown up with their moms/grandmoms/big sisters/aunts watching and enjoying Ellen and Rosie and other OUT celebs. They've grown up with gay news and lifestyle mags all over the racks at the bookstore...right next to Time and Newsweek.

They've grown up with the internet, where gays...even in small towns, can easily find one another for support, socializing and political activism. They've grown up in schools that have "gay" clubs and they've grown up in a time when their gay mothers/fathers/aunts/uncles etc. haven't remain closeted.

Ask yourself why Cheney and Schmidt are pro-gay rights? It's because people value their families over parties. Now THAT'S having "family values"!

"Social" Issues ALWAYS Change-PART ONE
What conservatives need to realize is that society always changes and moves toward a more liberal outlook. A political party can't really "set" or control societal change.

Things that were HUGE issues of concern to social conservatives just 50 years ago don't even warrant a yawn from anyone today.

Interracial Relationships, premarital sex, cohabitation, women wearing pants, single parenthood, divorce, seeking mental health treatment, pornography etc. are all just a FEW examples of things that used to be scandalous in the eyes of social conservatives.

Were conservatives able to stop Americans from adopting liberal outlooks on any of these things? Today, all of these one time "issues" are just part of everyday, mainstream life. Nobody is scandalized by any of these things anymore.

Homosexuality will be next. It' already MUCH less of an issue today than it was even 10 years ago, and a whole lot less than it was 50 years ago!

Within the next 10 years, homosexuality and gay marriage will be a non-issue that no one cares about. McCain and company are just reminding todays GOP of that reality.

A Proud Reagan Conservative
"Date: Apr 23, 2009 - 4:16 AM EST
Sure ...
The American public as a whole raises its voice on 4/15 and say "No More Taxes", and RINO McCain's RINO child tells us "Be more like the Jacka$$ Party"..."

LMAO 4/15 showed how impotent and over your whole movement is. Inflate the numbers all you like but you didn't have one event with over 20,000 people and that with constant advertising. That is impotence in action. See you at the ballot box LOL

"... So, we can't use "enhanced Questioning " methods, methods our enemies would use in battle, but we can adopt our political enemies' methods."

Huh? Do you mean torture?

"...Solid Conservativism works every time strong people believe and follow it. If the GOP wants to commit suicide, fine. Conservatives will keep up the fight."

Your extreme version of conservatism has never worked look at the failed bush and hoover. Pretty dramatic failures those... Oh they most certainly are the leaders conservatism develops

"...The Second Protects the rest"

Utter nonsense. The ballot box protects the rest.

Bring the values, bring the moral stance
if you trully adhere to them, these are good traits:
BUT LEAVE YOUR RELIGION AT HOME AND CHURCH!

Other religions share many of these same - or similar - values; but once you start preaching YOUR God, you lose them. You start treating public office as a pulpit and you'll lose those who see a threat to their religion and those who see your religious fervor as a threat to the fundamentals of our Constitution.

All we see is a party that wants to make us OFFICIALLY a Christian nation - and THAT is expressly forbidden to government. Other religions - who are SUPPOSED to exist freely in this country - see the serious makings of religious persecutions.

Religion and it's character traits are part of what makes the person - and are welcome - but check religion itself at the door.

These utter fools...
These utter fools never learn. They turn on their own, to the delight of the liberal news media, in the vain hope that they will get their behinds kissed by the likes of the NY Times, David Letterman and the witches on The View.
However they learn their lesson quickly when they go up against a real left-wing democrat like Obama. As McCain found out, to his chagrin, when his buddies at the NY Times turned on him quickly.
They should all just leave and join the Dems.
Good riddance, and don't let the door hit you on the tush on the way out.

Remember how McCain was nominated?
Many, if not most, seem unable to clearly remember the
2008 primaries and how John McCain came to be the nominee.
And if you don’t remember your history, it will be repeated.

The nomination was still open after the southeastern states.
But because of the squabble over moving the Primary date up,
The Florida Primary delegates were not to be seated- and
both Democratic candidates pledged not to campaign there.

So essentially, on primary day, there was to be no meaningful
Democratic Primary. The Republican Primary, which was
supposed to be “closed” , open to party members only,
was thrown open to ALL voters, and Democrats crossed over in
very large numbers and voted for the most liberal Republican
available, namely John McCain.
That locked up the nomination for him.

So make no mistake, he was not properly chosen by the “GOP” party,
but by the liberal Democrats in Florida in a travesty of a primary.

Republicans, and Conservatives still in the Republican Party,
will not be able to choose a candidate of their own until
only party members can vote in their Primaries.
And then they will have to deal with institutional voter fraud,
which will be entrenched through federal funding by 2010.


And so...
Once again I have to consider the chances of ever salvaging what is now the Republican Party. Hopefully it can be done, but a new conservative party may be required.

Pragmatically it almost looks like there are too many liberals embedded in the Party. Some of them, like the McCains, professing to be "Republicans" but in effect wrecking a lot of damage. One wonders if some like Arlen Specter would just do us a favor if they were to change the label on the can to accurately reflect the contents.

We had a fund-raising call last night from the Republican Party. No way are we going to give to a party so diluted with traitors. To individual viable Conservatives yes, but not to that now amorphous blob known as the G.O.P. Let's clean house!

Reasons for losing?
First, McCain is no conservative. (I only voted for him because of Palin in hopes that McCain would drop dead. Heckofanote when a housewife from the hick-sticks is the least unqualified candidate for P/VP.)

Second, Totally incompetent election campaign. Obama would have won even if the MSM did not have a lock lip on his toes; His staff steam rollered the MSM whenever they tried to control the narrative.

Third, Totally incompetent staff. For just one example, what idiot spent that much money on Palin's clothing?

Take Me Back
As in the words of a timeless gospel song by Andre Crouch, "take me back, take me back dear Lord, to the place where I first received you; take me back, take me back dear Lord, to where I first believed." Sometimes, reflecting on the past can be a good thing, as you learn from past mistakes, and able to make amends to make sure it doesn't happen again. This is what the GOP needs to do, go back to Reagan's terms, and see what he did. That's really the only example we have a the moment. And we can learn so much from it. You'll be surprised.

This is simple.
Whether republicans, democrates, conservatives or liberals, the people want something other than God to put their hopes in.

To do that any party has to convince the people they can satisfy them as better than God.

RINO Fraud-Losers....

Take a hike... enough already, of the McShame, political Beavis & Butt-Head routine..

Stedes-Youth is the future-reply-46
"survival depends on change.Itis the law of evolution.Oh yea,you guys don`tbelieve in evolution".----Oh yes we do.The dirty secret is that evolution can and often does lead to a dead end.We are in that travel direction now.

Hitchhiker
You do have a point concernin a very narrow group of evangelican Protestants and Orthodox Catholics (although, Obama's recent actions concerning abortion have alienated them); however, the majority of orthodox christians (those who hold true to dogmatic faith, or have a Sola Scruptura take on the Bible) are also very knowledgable on economics, constitutional democracy, and they tend to be more libertarian than anything (they just want to be left alone -something the socialists will not allow).



No wonder McCain lost...
McCain's one time major surge in the polls came after the appointment of Sarah Palin as his running mate. Not only so, both donations and volunteering reportedly increased significantly after the convention. This despite the stupid theme of the RNC of "changing" Washington, which sounded exactly like a copycat.

Of course, later events influenced the election for the worse, but they do not change the basic and obvious fact: McCain's support surged when he included a strong social conservative who stands on those principles. Should McCain have such support in funding and in the grass root voluntary efforts from the beginning, the result may turn out very differently.

Coming up with such conclusion despite evidences to the contrary shows just how near-sighted or plain stupid Steve Schmidt is. I can understand this coming from the young Meghan McCain, but from McCain's campaign manager? Well, at least I know why McCain lost, Schmidt is precisely the reason, and McCain deserves to loose for using him as the campaign manager.

Wendy
Rassmussen took several exit polls of the November 2008 elections. What the polls showed was that 4 million voters who voted for the GOP in 2004 did not vote in 2008. Speaking of 2004, do you remember that the experts and MSM could not stop talking about "value voters"? It is also good to remember that President Bush won by razor thin margins in 2000 because many conservatives came out in 2000. They sat home in 1998, thus giving the Dems an edge in that mid-term election.

The difference in 2006 and 2008 were two-fold:

1)The Democrats picked up significant numbers of the so-called value-voters in both 2006 and 2008; hence, the increase in Blue-Dog Democrats.

2)President Bush thought he could end his legacy by running to the Center-Left. His bid to reform SS was half-hearted, as was his reliance on incompetent field commanders in Iraq/Afhanistan. He actually had significant political capital to burn in 2005, but chose not use it. By the summer of 2005 his administration was cooked, and his own party went down with him (which they should have).

The Right gave the President one last chance in 2004 to redeem himself. He had a decent majority in both houses as well as the political capital to do big things. The Right punished the Party. What is incrediable was the oppurtunity Obama and the Dems had this year to attract even greater number of conservative voters. Obama could have done what FDR did in 1933, but he has gone out of his way to alienate the very people who could make the 2009 Dems a majority party for at least 4-6 election cycles.

President Obama's rhetoric and charisma can only go so far. He has exposed himself not only to a Center-Right Coalition, but also a Center-Left one as well. The 2010 mid-terms could get ugly.

Kerry & McCain--Time to Fade Away
Schmidt and McCain seem to have been in that prison camp in North Vietnam with her father. Have they been beaten down philosophically until they have no principles left?

Conservative moral principles and political principles form a complete package. That's what we stand for--principles rooted in our founding and our centuries' old religious background. We believe in freedom, free enterprise, right-to-life, and the sanctity of traditional marriage--the union of a man and a woman. Period. It's not hard to understand even for the daughter of the Republicans' John Kerry--John McCain.

This woman really doesn't belong in the Republican Party and neither does Schmidt. My prediction--they both "will see the light" and join the Messiah's Party.

John McCain has betrayed Republican principles so often he really should resign and spend the rest of his days riding a horse on his ranch in Arizona. The hero luster has long since worn off and I think even Senate Republicans no longer recognize him as a leader--or winner.

He's a loser even though like Kerry he married an heiress and launched a political career. But his Vietnam experience has lost its pull and luster and he's just another old politician who stayed too long in the political arena.

Part 2
Socons:

Scream your beliefs from the rooftops. Purchase advertising. Contribute to your churches. Vote for people with similar values. Do everything under the sun to proclaim the truth of Jesus Christ except: imposing a particular religious doctrine upon the masses. It is no better than the Taliban when it crosses this line. It violates the constitution when it is done at a federal level. It rightfully belongs at the state level where it would also not alarm the liberals so much.

This country can be and should be still a melting pot with common beliefs in liberty and our constitutional government with absolute religious freedom and economic freedom. If no party defends freedom, it will surely be lost.

Just Another Jones
makes a good point: Fiscal conservatives and people wanting less intrusive government would be natural Republicans, but they are not comfortable with the pro-life, anti-gay marriage, evangelical agenda. I have belonged to a Republican Women's group in Colorado for 20 years, and what united us was exactly what Just Another Jones mentioned: Getting spending under control, simplifying our tax system by adopting the fair or flat tax, revising social security to allow young workers to opt out, enforcing present immigration laws, instituting choice in education, lowering taxes on business to stimulate growth, developing new sources of energy, such as oil/shale leases in CO and drilling in ANWAR, maintaining a strong defense, but avoiding foreign entanglements whenever possible...

Personally, I am appalled at the scraping of thousands of dismembered babies each month into dumpsters. I consider it akin to the holocaust. I believe strongly that marriage is between one man and one woman. I have many socially conservative views emanating from my Christian background. But my Republican colleagues don't necessarily share my views on those issues, and those issues become divisive at Republican Women's meetings. We focus on the issues aforementioned.

Wendy
wrote, "This is the consistent, principled position. The idea of social conservatives, that government should be forced onto people to establish a greater moral order, is the inconsistent, unprincipled one, standing out like a sore thumb from the rest of the laissez-faire platform and base."

A well stated post. I agree. Socons unwittingly empower the socialist position of controlling all aspects of life. Having certain types of liberty is too close to being kinda pregnant.

Socons can still support what they believe to be right, I certainly will, but we must learn to articulate a libertarian position of not legislating against things simply because we disagree with them. Let's restrict abortion practices without banning it altogether. Cal's last sentence is an attempt to use Christian doctrine designed for individuals and falsely use it to support group behavior and laws.

Let the party be made up of Christian values supporting people but, stop short of imposing a particular Christian code upon others. For one thing, Christians cannot even come close to all supporting one particular doctrine themselves.

You either support liberty, even when it means allowing others to do things you disagree with or even believe to be extremely harmful or the alternative is steady movement down the Road to Serfdom when you will ultimately lose all liberty in everything.

Without a political party defending liberty, the country is doomed. I think it would be easier to convince socons about the dangers of moral legislating then it would be to convince socialists to give up their utopian vision of the annointed.

He did not fight.
He said fight with me...
and then constantly talked about reaching across the aisle.
He brought Joe the Plumber along with him...
and then voted for the bail out.
I want a candidate who can defend conservative ideas and win the political debate. I am tired of reaching across the aisle.

It was the Economy Stupid
The reason McCain lost was because the economy tanked, plain and simple. All this philosophical explanations are just rubbish. He and the beauty queen were beating the pants out of Obama, to the point that the Obama camp was ready to quit, until the economy went on a downspiral. So please stop spinning our loss on some brilliant strategy by the Dems or lack of thereoff by Repubs. McCain's daughter is a liberal plain and simple and we don't need liberals trying to define us. All you need is to look West to California and see what RINO politics got us into. The youth in this country didn't determine anything on the past election, their turnout wasn't any better than in 2004 and the hated Bush still whip their behinds. So Ms. little McCain join Moveon.org or the Huffingtonpuff and stay there please. BTW the reason abortion and gay marriage are not acceptable has nothing to do with Religion. Gay people CAN'T have children, and the reason why society exists is because of a simple thing called future generation to keep society from becoming extinct and the same reason applies for abortion. Is that reason enough for you Ms. Little McCain or should I spell it out for you??

Unbelievable
It's incredible that this trust fund baby is the new spokesperson for the Republicans. What has she ever accomplished in life except be born into a very wealthy family? I know many of you idolize Reagan, but I feel the same way about Nancy. She was a B movie actress until she married Ronnie. Who cares what she thinks about stem cell research?


Money talks
Honestly at risk of the whole paranoia sounding thing, I think Obama won because there were millions of illegal votes and illegal campaign contributions. Not to mention lobbyists payouts that we're still seeing every day now. But that aside, and remember, he didn't win by much, I think the more important thing for the next BIG election will be someone who can handle the technology side of getting the word out, getting the media attention and getting donations for the campaign just as Obama did. Money talks.

Meghan McCain is a nice girl
But she's not even a republican, she was a democrat and switched parties to support her father's run for the white house. Which is great, way to support her dad! But she hardly seems to be the person that should be suggesting the direction of the GOP. Surprise, suprise, she recommends we move to the left.

Carry on, nothing to see here.

The false dilemma of the socons
The social issues are losers. Very few people base their vote on them, and over the long term, those social conservatives who do will mostly die off and be replaced by people who want more laissez-faire capitalism, which means the government must have no power over personal decisions. This is the consistent, principled position. The idea of social conservatives, that government should be forced onto people to establish a greater moral order, is the inconsistent, unprincipled one, standing out like a sore thumb from the rest of the laissez-faire platform and base.

Over the very long term, the GOP's current irrational social platform is not viable and will have to be discarded. For now, the GOP cannot afford to outright rebel against its current social doctrine. But it should definitely drop focus off of them until such time as it can. This may take 10 years.

At that time, to replace the votes of a few recalcitrant social conservative holdouts, the GOP will have to sell America on laissez-faire, and thus pick up voters who are already inclined to believe that government should only be good at its proper functions (military, police, law courts) and nothing else.

mccain
McCain is the reason we lost the election!! Had we had a true conservative we would have blown Obama away. These two are giving very bad advice.

McCain
I think many who voted for McCain were really voting against Obama.
Republicans in Congress did not seem to benefit from having a Democrat Lite position. However, given the downturn in the economy just at the time it became evident would have made in very difficult if not impossible for any Republican to win. The Democrats were clever in putting up somewhat conservative candidates in districts that were normally Republican. What good is it for Republicans to get the White House and the Congress (if they ever do again) if they are going to spend like drunken Democrats and have to courage to do what many of us think is right about a lot of things.
Donald W. Bales

Lost in Confusion
Will somebody PLEASE tell Meghan McCain to pull the silver spoon out!! Does not conservatism build as a core belief when you experience the old truth of "there is no such thing as a free lunch"?

Hey Meghan if you say you’re a Republican but act and talk like a liberal you must be a RINO.

Meghan McCain
What an idiot! Sounds like they got to her with the kool-aid

Vote Simcox!
Vote Chris Simcox for AZ senate....he has a website for contributions

A good riddance of bad rubbish!
This issue here is that people like Meghan McCain are pulling the Republican Party to the left, which is why I am thinking of leaving the party. Her idea of being more like Democrats is deeply flawed. Why would I not become a democrat then? I did not like her views when daddy was running and I surely don’t like them now. She is always beating the drum of Gay marriage and abortion. Watch, my bet will be that at some point she will over reach, thinking she has more political capital then she actually does, and then will receive huge backlash. At that point she will run to the Democratic Party, and that will be "A good riddance of bad rubbish!”.

KB

"A good riddance of bad rubbish!" said that wrathful old lady. "Get along with you, or I'll have you carried out!" - Charles Dickens in Dombey and son

Tim
Agree with you; Romney was sunk when they busted the ranch in Texas looking for child abuse among polygamist. The call came from Colorado, obama's second D.C. It was a set-up to bring forth his religion and not what he could do to save this country and keep the constitution entact.

Romney saved the winter Olympics for Utah. We were in a real mess until under his leadership we came out just fine and got great hi-ways and freeways to boot.

The MSM picked McCain, until Palin came along I had lost all hope. Then when you see how they crucified her in the media, the writing was on the wall.
Now I wish he would just shut up and go home. He has a tough race in AZ. with a well liked, law abiding conservative.

Chord
Agreed. Obama has the makings for another Carter v. Reagan landslide. However, I still contend that it is in the best interest of conservatives of all stripes to decide where they are all in agreement on the issues and avoid in-fighting over the issues they do not agree on.

I could be mistaken, but I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that conservatives of all stripes favor cutting taxes and spending. Beyond that, I'm not so sure they are likely to find common ground at a national level, which is why I think it best to pursue those other issues at the local and state levels.

If I were to put a shopping list together for the next congressional race, I'd include:

Drill Here, Drill Now
Close the Borders & Deport the Illegals
Overhaul the tax system (I like the FairTax)
Slash federal spending (Citizens Against Government Waste has a REAL list of $2 Trillion that can be cut)
Term Limits (I think two terms in each chamber)
Balance the Budget

I would avoid toxic, deal-breaking issues like abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, etc., lest the more libertarian-leaning conservatives opt out.

The "No Substance/No Direction" GOP II
One of the big problems with the GOP is its own corruption of conservative values, values with a long and strong legacy.
Posted this shortly after the election: Conservatism has taken a body blow, no doubt, but we are not out for the count! You can bet that the liberal left, all flush with “victory”, will overplay their hand in very short order and with hubris typical to their kind (different and inferior species) they will hoist themselves up by their own petards and disgrace themselves royally. Hopefully, they don’t take the Nation down with them!

The "No Substance/No Direction" GOP
"The writer of Ecclesiastes noted that there is 'nothing new under the sun'."
All facets of the human drama of strengths and weaknesses has played itself out countless times in history and the lessons are the same: No solid set of values, code of ethics, and moral standards? You degenerate to pathetic, ignoble state that's actually lower than an animal (due to conscience).
John Stuart Mill: "Better being Socrates dissatisfied than a pig satisfied!"

On the "gay" issue it is NOT necessarily a religious issue to me:
The gays have an increasingly ridiculous militant agenda...just one more sign of society degeneration. I wrote this comment to the original article: Fat Lesbians on Crack. A big part of me says homosexuals are deviants and disgusting and are nature's mistake with no purpose in larger society that requires healthy reproduction and child rearing practices to flourish. The other, smaller part of me is willing to concede a "live and let live" scenario. But I adamantly draw the line to extending them the same rights as normal families or any special non-discrimatory privileges. They can fume or whatever but it is their problem not mine. They also better learn some manners in dealing with their problem as the normal segment of society is getting mighty tired of their unreasonable antics. So, within limits, I'm willing for your kind to privately exercise your disgusting deviance but not within a country mile of me. And no it's not phobia but disgust! Fat Lesbians on Crack , Aug 19,2008,

There's a reason
that Romney dropped out. He knew a win against Obama was not in the cards. The last man standing was McCain. Romney did not want to be a Kerry, a loser in the previous election. McCain was a sacrifice and now a loser.

Romney will tear into the socialist left and will win in 2012. My hope is that there is something to save. This is why the WH is moving so fast to "Change" to socialism.

An Interesting Questuon
What is the "sole" of the Republican party and that of Conservatives? What is the purpose of having a "sole" and never be in the majority to make what you believe is the right "sole" to have? Most Conservatives say they are against abortions, which is a good moral position to have. But what is the goal? Making abortions illegal in this country? If you make abortions illegal in this country once again, won't that result in women having back room abortions once again? I would think the answer to that question is, yes it will. Is that what conservatives want to happen? Wouldn't a better approach be to put forth policies which would limit the number of abortions that are performed, rather than to try to outlaw an act that will not work in any event, because you cannot stop peole from doing what they want to do? Would the party be better of helping people to make the right decision rather then "forcing them" to make the right decisions? Would that approach take away the opposing sides argument about what our position is? If you have politices that help people make the right decision, can the opposition successfully use that position to rally support for their position on the issue and get enough people to believe that our approach is the wrong approach?

LITTLE MEGHAN MUCKS UP DAD'S FUTURE
MR. AND MRS. MCCAIN SHOULD CONFINE THEIR SQUEEKY -VOICED OFFSPRING TO A RANCH IN ARIZONA WHERE HER MAIN CHORE WOULD BE MUCKING OUT THE HORSE BARNS. NOTHING CAN RUIN WHAT IS LEFT OF MR. MCCAIN'S POLITICAL CAREER FASTER THAN A VALLEY GIRL WITH HER HEAD SCREWED ON BACKWARDS. SORRY JOHN AND CINDY, BUT MEGGIE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN LET LOOSE JUST YET.

There is only ONE major party.

There is only ONE major party.
It is the party of Big Government.
This party has two wings-
Left...and....Lefter.

This BG Party is strongly addicted to power, money
and the corruption that makes incumbency possible.
They are empowered by decades of spending.

Those of younger generations, Meghan McCain et. al,
have simply been indoctrinated to believe the in BGP
by the LW Media and schools, and numbed by pop culture .

Conservatives have no home in either wing of the BGP,
but are continually fooled by rhetoric, promises and outright lies,
so they will always be disappointed by the Big Government Party.
For Conservatives to think that they can or should win
by becoming something they are not is a false choice.

A quote from J A J @ 10:19 :
“Social conservatives cite Reagan's election as proof that they have the winning agenda, but somehow seem to overlook the fact that the economy was in the toilet, we had been internationally humiliated by a third-rate theocracy in Iran, and Brezhnev out-foxed Carter at every turn. In short, Carter was a disaster on all fronts. Any reasonably competent GOP candidate could have handily beaten Carter.”

Don’t look now, J A J, but:
Our economy is in the toilet NOW-
We are STILL being internationally humiliated
by a third rate theocracy in Iran,
AND by our own President bowing and apologizing,
And Putin, Chavez, Ortega, both Castros and the
Chineese and North Koreans are outfoxing Obama at every turn.
In short, Obama is a disaster on all fronts, NOW.
Any reasonably competent CONSERVATIVE candidate
will handily beat Obama in 2012.

But another John McCain will not.

Our current reality is actually creating more
Conservatives every day.
Reality has a way of doing that.
You can tell it is happening by the hysteria
of the otherwise ascendant Lefters.

.










It's the spending, stupid!
Ronald Reagan put together a winning coalition of blue collar union member Democrats, middle class, and small business owners because he understood that the real battle is between the tax spenders and the tax payers.

Bush One lost the re-election because his "kinder, gentler" approach was the same liberal, tax and spend altruist claptrap of the past.

The Republican party won Congress as Clinton was ramping up for typical liberal government spending programs because the tax payers got energized.

The Republican base delivered Bush Two as the conservative candidate. Unfortunately, Bush Two was interested in pushing forward with the social agenda of the far right, rather than focusing on the tax spenders vs. tax payer issues. Indeed, Bush Two grew the size of government more quickly than any president since Roosevelt. This, of course, set the stage for "change" -- and a poorly educated, media star driven electorate gave us Obama, who will eventually be recognized as the worst President in U.S. history.

At least, we can hope Carter will finally shut up and stop trying to "improve" his legacy since he'll no longer be the worst...

hunters
the obamanites are the"down with everything" that is not free party!!!!! the pundits are not being honest looking for all the reasons barak hussein obama won!!!! black folks voted 100% for bho; it's as simple as that!!! he was their chance and he's blown it! the home-ownership for everyone and gorging ourselves on plastic pleasure need to stop!!! santa clause is going to have to retire for a few years and put a ceiling on consumer interest rates!!!!

Seems Meghan is projecting
I can definitely see why John McCain chose her to be on his campaign team, their ideologies correspond remarkably well: always a condescending I-know-better mentality. No recognition that perhaps he was the main problem. Now we're getting it from Meghan, who the MSM will use to further divide and discredit Republicans. Nice.

Why McCain lost
McCain lost because he's TOO OLD!

The problem wasn't whether to endorse the Gay agenda or not and I hope that if it is discussed, they don't back down. Everybody knows that men and women belong together for sexual purposes and not men/men or women/women. It's biological. Not getting pushed into it being about marriage might be a good idea, though.

I disagree
It seems to me the whole discussion is not on point as to why McCain couldn't win this election.

Although I happen to agree with Meghan McClain and Steve Schmidt that the Republican Party should be more moderate, I think it has little or nothing to do with why the party seems to many to be losing relevance.

It wasn't that the Republican Party isn't liberal (or moderate) enough on social issues. It is, and has been for some time (the last 8 years or so) that the Republican Party is too liberal (and I won't even grant 'moderate' here) on fiscal issues.

I *know* that's why every person I've discussed this with who used to identify themselves as 'Republican' voted for Bob Barr in the last election.

I can also tell you that every Democrat I've talked to about this would rather have voted for someone more fiscally conservative than either candidate that was offered, but, lacking the ability to do that within the two main parties, voted Obama because neither candidate would do the right thing fiscally, and at least Obama would address the social issues the way they wanted.

Stop focusing on the 'social' issues and pay more attention, from local office elections up to Presidential ones, on fiscal issues and I think that will go a long way to solving the 'relevance' issue of the Republican party.

Hey, Stedes,
"Megan McCain is the future generation of this country. You folks at TH aren't listening. The younger generation is changing and much more socially liberal than what social conservatives represent."

That makes them democrats.

If the voters of states choose to legitimize gay marriage, then so be it. It is not a federal issue - the federal government does not issue marriage licenses, so it coes not fall under the equal protection clause.


Only 1 person
seems to "get it" here. GILL, I am 100% with you. I will now only vote for someone who not only shares, but has the hutspa to profess without apology, TRUE CHRISTIAN VALUES. The reason this country is in such deep do-do is this country has, as a whole, told God to go away. Well, guess what, God has honored your wishes. This country is under condemnation. See the first chapter of Romans for the pattern of a country that God has given up to it's sinful desires.

Youth is the Future
Megan McCain is the future generation of this country. You folks at TH aren't listening. The younger generation is changing and much more socially liberal than what social conservatives represent.

Obama connected to them. Conservatives do not. Gay marriage will be legal in most states within the next 25 years. We are already seeing it happening. This is because the majority of youth supports it.

The future of our country and change is with the youth. Not with the old and worn locked into old thinking. If you do not change, you will die as a political party or movement. Survival depends on change. It is the law of evolution..Oh yea, you guys don't believe in evolution.

Meghan McCain
I believe that Meghan and her Dad need to formalize their committment to the Democratic / Socialist Party.

Remember when Ronald Reagan stated that he did not leave the Democratic party - it had left him.... I see the same thing happening today with the Republican party. It looks like us "right wing exremists" will need to migrate to the Constitution party.

Sad
Again we have another McCain person taht is trying to blame the right fro what they did to us and our country. Even though I blame Obama mostly for what he is doing thanks to McLame he was able to win. Do we need to go over the history again? Bob Dole lost in 1996 and the first Bush lost because they were moderates. Bush won because he was a moderate (and he ran against idiot opponents such as Kerry and Gore). Reagan won in a landslide, as have all conservatives. Maybe she needs a real history lesson.

Never Again...
I will not vote for John McCain again. He acquiesced to Obama even before he lost the election. But even a clock is right 2 times each day. He called Obama's foreign policies "dangerous." He got that right!!

We need some new blood in Arizona. Hopefully it will be someone who is a true conservative and loves this country more than they love their own gluttony or security. We need and want a senator who will address the border problems and the illegal aliens flooding in with their back packs full of drugs. The enforcement of E-verify is a must in these hard times. Otherwise, If you hire them, they WILL come!

I take no stock in what McCain's daughter says. She is being played by the media. They are as devious as ever in setting her up as a straw puppy!! Plain as day!!!



Meghan
Let's be realiatic. If Meghan's last name was not McCain we would not even know that she exists. She is ill informed, naive and irrational. The only reason she gets a large deal of press is because she knocks republicians and conservatives and the left simply loves anyone that does this - especially someone who is associated with the opposing party. She is a RINO and lacks real good common sense.

McCain and Bush
Neither one of them have the guts to call the dems out on trying to prosecute Bushes advisers.Bush should go on every show and rip the dems,but he won't he is a political wimp.If you act like sheep the wolves will eat you

Ron Wrote:
GET ALL THE RINO’S AND BLUEBLOOD COUNTRYCLUB ELITES OUT OF THE GOP!!!

Is he suggesting that if all the social conservatives show up on election day, they won't need anyone else to get their guy/gal in?

Are there really enough social conservatives in the GOP to go it alone? If that's the case, surely they could agree on a candidate before the primaries and oust any RINO or Country Club Blue Blood candidate. Why hasn't this happened yet? Or since Reagan (if one must insist that he was elected solely by social conservatives - which I doubt, but for the sake of discussion will stipulate)?

Maybe the problem is our two-party system. Seems the two major parties have rigged the game so that third parties cannot make a real showing. If we had several serious parties, perhaps we could forge coalitions as the parliamentary systems have and end this splitting things up the middle, which hasn't served us too well.

Election farce
The 2008 Presidential Election was a farce. It was not between a Democrat Party candidate and a Republican Party candidate. It was between a CPA (Communist Party of America) member and a RINO (Republican In Name Only). The RINO candidate was chosen by the CPA because he had military experience, and their anointed CPA candidate didn’t. The RINO candidate was nominated by Democrat voters in states with open primaries where they could use crossover votes to select the GOP candidate before Republican voters had chance to vote for their choice.

The big mistake was in the selection of the VP candidate for the RINO Party. Sarah Palin was the most qualified, and exciting candidate in the campaign, including all the members of Congress in line for the Presidency. As soon as they realized their mistake, the CPA sent out the attack dogs to vilify Palin whenever and wherever possible. The RINO Party put her in the crosshairs of the CPA wherever and whenever they could.

The RINO Party candidate campaigned as a RINO, not as a Republican. Whenever possible, the RINO Party candidate praised the CPA candidate, and crossed over to the CPA whenever possible. He had established a record in Congress as a RINO, not as a Republican.

CPA members of Congress deliberately caused the national economy to go into the worst recession in decades and blamed the RINO Party. The RINO Party candidate happily accepted the blame.

The CPA spent as much campaign money as possible on the CPA candidate; while the RINO Party spent as little as possible on their candidate. This election was like a soccer game where the net at one end of the field was one foot larger than the ball diameter, and the net at the other end was ten feet high and as long as the field was wide.

After deliberately losing the election, the RINO Party candidate is praising and kissing the a@@ of the CPA candidate.

Conservatives
WHAT ALL OF YOU MUST DO FROM NOW ON IS VOTE UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST EVERY BILL AND TAX THAT LIBERALS PROPOSE!!! DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYTHING LIBERALS PROPOSE!!! DO NOT GO ALONG TO GET ALONG WITH THE LIBERALS!!! DO NOT GO TO THEIR PARTIES!!! TOTALLY VOCALLY OPPOSE THE LIBERALS IN EVERY WAY, ESPECIALLY ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!!! THE LIBERALS ARE TRYING TO STICK YOU WITH PART OF THE BLAME FOR ALL THEIR FUTURE FAILURES; DON’T LET THEM DO IT!!! DO NOT CLAP WHEN OBAMA SAYS ANYTHING!!! JOINING LIBERALS IN ANYTHING IS SELLING OUT AMERICA!!! THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!!! THEY ARE YOUR AND AMERICA’S WORST ENEMIES, AND WILL DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO DESTROY BOTH!!! GET ALL THE RINO’S AND BLUEBLOOD COUNTRYCLUB ELITES OUT OF THE GOP!!!

You cannot stop their bills or even slow them down beyond calling for roll call votes for them. Make everything they pass totally theirs. What you will be doing is getting on record as opposing all the destructive liberal bills. They are trying to get you on the hook with them, so you can’t blame them fully. Why should money we give you to elect conservatives go to RINO”S like Specter, and McCain who spend all their time voting with the Democ-rats.

When all these liberal actions make things much worse, as they will, you can point at the record and show the people that none of you had anything to do with them, and that you had no control over their passage, that all this destruction was caused by liberals.


You have to run on principles
and not how much money you are going to steal from some taxpayers to mostly shift to people who pay no taxes.

McCain lost his momentum when he threw himself behind the idiot TARP krap where the Big O stopped by DC just to cast a vote and move on, because all he does is dump here and there and then move on. so it won't be is fault, he didn't know what was going on, and someone else is to blame.

McCain put himself out there to blame and the electorate rewarded him by not voting for him or just staying home.

The Reps. has to come alive again with an image that is NOT for global warming, green krap, sex identity krap, yadda.

Energy, education, finances, lost pension, giving kids (minors) abortion pills, there are enough issues to win on.

Meghan McCain
If the Republicans run another horrible campaign with another Rino like John McCain, we'll lose for sure. Why doesn't Meghan just go away and join the Democratic Party? And why is she an authority all of a sudden? She and her father need to realize that the media only loves them when they're bashing their own party. I voted for Palin anyway, not him. He treated her like crap!!

God save us all
When you try to please everybody, you wind up pleasing nobody.

Grow a set of balls, people, and act like you have some convictions! If you can't lead then at least get out of the way.

Politicians of this caliber are nothing but a waste of skin.

Just another Jones
To answer your first question, why we got McCain as our candidate.

The way our primaries are set up, the northeastern rinos get to pick our candidate. By the time we in the more conservative states get to vote the damage is done.

So step number one is to change the way primaries are conducted.

Not Conservative enough.....
The only way to rebuild the Republican Party as the true conservative party is to start in the schools - everyone coming out of High school and/or University these days has been brainwashed by the Liberal teacher('s union) and tenured professors who can't get a real job anywhere else - like Ward Churchill.

We all need to pay attention to the historical accuracy and the social context of the textbooks our children read and what the school curriculum is from a very early age.

Hands Bit Off
As conservativebadger posted, too many times the Republicans try to compromise with Democrats and reach across the aisle only to get their hands bit off. Ann Coulter wrote a column some time back where she expressed astonishment that the Republicans kept taking advice from those who did not wish them well.

Remember George H. W. Bush and his "read my lips, no new taxes". Then the Democrats told him to go ahead and that they would have his back. How did that work out?

I am reminded of the old World War II sitcom "Hogan's Heroes". In every episode the German POW camp commandant Colonel Klink would solicit advice from American POW leader Colonel Hogan. Then he wondered why things blew up in his face.

I always wanted to yell at the tv screen: YOU FOOL. HE'S YOUR ENEMY IN A WAR. WHY WOULD HE GIVE YOU GOOD AND USEFUL ADVICE ABOUT ANYTHING?

Sorry Miss McCain. We won't win by becoming more liberal or trying to do things the Democrats way.

Schmidt and McCain
Their prescription for what we need to do to win, simply describes what McCain has done already and why we lost - no one could tell much difference between the McCain list of past actions and the Obama promises, but Obama looks and speaks better, so he won, and here we are on the verge of fascism. Yes, the over-spending started with Bush, but the hyper-spending is now on steroids.

Have you noticed
the driveby media has selected Meghan as a spokesperson for the republican party. What a laugh.

One McCain is plenty
Nice to see John McCain's doughter has turned out to be just like the old man. She claims to be a conservative but has a real desire to be love by the left.

If supporting gay marriage is such a winning hand for Republicans, than why did it fail in the most liberal of all states, California? And why does Obama, the most liberal President in history, not support it?

Gays voted overwhelmingly for a anti-gay marriage lib like Obama because they agree with him on just about every other liberal social and cultural issue. If Republicans became pro-gay marriage, gays would still vote against them in large numbers.


GOP Base
If the GOP base is so solidly socially conservative, how did John McCain get the nomination? Weren't Thompson, Huckabee, Tancredo, and Hunter all social conservatives? Surely, one of these candidates would have come out on top if the GOP were in fact solidly socially conservative.

I think conservative means different things to different folks. Social conservatives appear most concerned with imposing their moral values on the rest of us; fiscal conservatives are primarily concerned with limiting government spending and taxes; national security conservatives are primarily concerned with ensuring that the military/intelligence community is properly funded, staffed, and armed; commerce conservatives are primarily concerned with reducing government interference in business. Those are four "conservative" constituencies I can quickly come up with; there are no doubt more.

I voted republican until 1992 when GHW Bush threw in with the social conservatives. I have since voted Libertarian. My wife and in-laws all worked for the GHW Bush campaign, but are also socially liberal and have since voted democrat. I have several family members and friends who no longer vote GOP because they cannot endorse the GOP’s socially conservative agenda.

Social conservatives cite Reagan's election as proof that they have the winning agenda, but somehow seem to overlook the fact that the economy was in the toilet, we had been internationally humiliated by a third-rate theocracy in Iran, and Brezhnev out-foxed Carter at every turn. In short, Carter was a disaster on all fronts. Any reasonably competent GOP candidate could have handily beaten Carter. That Reagan expressed socially conservative views may have appealed to some but was ignored by others; Carter was after all an evangelical Christian, so that was a non-factor in the race.

So, if the GOP really does hope to regain a majority, it would be well served if it decided which conservatives bring more to the party.

Empathy for Ms. McCain
After you get over the feelings of just wanting to smack this impudent young lady, you have to just feel empathy for her ignorance.

Standing at a distance I see her as a spoiled child trying to get attention. I mean can you imagine with such a gorgeous mother and a dad a senator and war hero, how can her little light shine !!

As for Sen. McCain, I truly hope the people of Arizona vote him out of office should he not decide to retire.

There are some sound Conservative candidates in Arizona who need to get their chance NOW.

Irony
The irony couldn't be any thicker. Schmidt and McCain (the losing team) giving instruction to the rest of us on what "WE" are doing wrong. Hilarious. It's like the 2008 Detroit Lions giving lectures on how to win football games. No thanks.

Schmit and McCain
I.ve read the 22 responses to this article and respect that you will all disagree with me but Meghan and Steve are basically right. On fiscal issues we are spot on and the only reason we lost a lot of moderate voters is because Bush and the Republican led Congress(for 6 years) spent like Democrats. However on social issues as much as you don't like it OUR COUNTRY IS SOCIALLY MODERATE AND BECOMING MORE LIBERAL. This is simply a fact. Whether we choose to acknowledge it is whether we will move forward as a party or be marginalized as a fringe group in the future. Young voters under 30 are overwhelmingly pro choice, pro gay rights etc.. These voters ARE the future of America and as such will continue to steer elections moving forward. In order for us to win future elections IMHO we need to be like America is fiscally Conservative and socially moderate, or continue to see the Obama's Hilary's and Nancy's rule our great country.

The problem
seems to be that the republicans are not conservative enough. Does anyone REALLY care what schmidt or mccains kid thinks???? We dont need more democrats in the form of republicans we need more conservatives!

Past and Present
Only the past can tell the present what will work and what will not work. The lessons of history are set in concrete, the errors are clear and the good even clearer. To ignore, deny or just forget the past is to be mired in trial and error for the rest of our days. The past is the window to the future, the problem is fewer and fewer of us know the past and it's lessons. If you ignore the lessons learned, you embrace the peril of failure. Ask anyone who is successful if he studies his failures, measures his mistakes, and you will find that this is how you make things better.

I draw the line
I voted for George the Elder because he was not Michael Dukakis. I voted for him again because he was not Bill Clinton. I voted for Bob Dole because he was not Bill Clinton. I voted for Bush Junior because he was neither Al Gore nor John Kerry. Well guess what. Babies were still killed and the fiscally challenged ran through America’s money like it was manna from Heaven. Then I was told that if I didn’t vote for McCain we would get a baby killing marxist for President. So I voted for McCain and we still wound up with a baby killing marxist living in the White House. I’m tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. Next time out, I will only vote for someone who is anti-abortion, opposes gay marriage, believes in the lessons of the Holy Bible and the truths encapsulated in The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution of the United States of America. If no candidate meets my criteria, I will vote for pair-less hilton. If I only have clowns from which to choose, I may as well vote for a really big one. The argument for that bozo is no different than the only argument soon to be ex-senator McCain had in his favor: at least he’s not obumah. Steve Schmidt and Meghan McCain should do the world a favor and staple their mouths shut, might even save themselves some money once the obumadroids impose their fat-tax. The last thing I need is a faux-conservative admonishing me for not being a communist.

Republicans electoral trouble
WE didn't listen to Thomas Jeffesrson who said" only land owners should vote". We can't continue to ignore history and survive as a country.

P.S. Cal: Please explain the "Somali Coast Guard to me/

Litmus Test
The only time a Republican (term used VERY loosely) gets any press coverage is when they say something whith which the media agrees.

Example: TEA Parties. Little coverage.

Example: Megan McCain. More coverage.

Litmus test: If the media likes you, you aren't conservative.

Cal and the goofy Republicans
Obama won because he set the agenda. That’s what leaders do. The fact that he doesn’t believe it or doesn’t stick to it is mute. He said the same thing as Miss California but won and she lost. Why? Because he ran on change we can believe in and goofy McCain then tried to copy Obama. People don’t vote for copy cats. Obama continues to set the agenda by getting America to focus on the “sins” of Bush to take the limelight off his ineptness with the economy or foreign affairs, long republican strengths.
Elections do not need to be won or lost on religious grounds. But they are won on a platform that the voters desire. Obama has done an excellent job of sucking up to the world’s despots and has made America feel diminished. That’s not the American way. We are a proud people and for a republican to win he or she needs to bring back that pride. That means making people earn US residency or citizenship, allowing our industries to compete on the worldwide stage by negotiating fair trade, reducing non discretionary spending and returning to building infrastructure. Sound like Reagan? You bet. He set an agenda and Americans embraced it.
Say what you want about Bush but he was successful when he stuck to his guns on Iraq, and failed when he capitulated to Barney Frank and sub prime loans. He never badmouthed America.

CAL I ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
It should be obvious that McCain lost the election because he is too liberal. The only reason I voted for him was because the only other choice was BO. But I did not vote for McCain in the primaries. And when he won the primaries I knew it was over for Republicans. The only thing that surprised me in the general election was that McCain did as well as he did. And the only reason he did as well as he did is because of Sarah Palin.

RINO Idiots Everywhere
Why is this so hard to understand?

The queen of the Dem.s Hillary tried to out liberal/pogressive the "No One, never done nothin", Obama and lost.

The RINO McCain tried to out liberal/progressive the "No One, never done nothin" Obama, and lost.

Why would the left vote for a pretend liberal/progressive when they can get the real thing.

This is not rocket science or brain surgery!

The only way the Republicans can regain their strength is to stop acting like Liberals/Progressivies and get back to being true conservatives.



Meghan, sighhhhhh
The reason I didn't vote for your father was because he thinks like you! I warned everyone before the election that Obama was a
Socialist and McCain was a Globalist. I sort of missed it on Obama; he also is a globalist. As long as the globalist run both parties, you won't find a dimes worth of difference in either party. The only hope for this country is for men like Ron Paul(R) and Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party and maybe even Bob Barr (Libertarian) However, the powers that be -- will never allow Ron Paul to run, and the mindset in this country thinks that only Democrats and Republicans can be elected. I will only vote for a Constitutionalist, so I can never again vote Democratic or Republican.
John Quincy Adams sums it up for me:"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

Republican Success
McCain's political hour has come and gone - equally, his campaign manager's and daughter's. Nobody doubts his patriotism and love of country but his political acvumen has been found wanting. It's long past time that the party returned to "Reaganism". It would shake the Democrats to their core and give the Republicans a real chance in the congressional elections of 2010 and the presidential election of 2012.

Republicans
Republicans have been losing elections only because they have been acting like Democrats.

I don't think taking advice from the McCain camp makes much sense. Without Sarah, he wouldn't have gotten half the votes he did get.

I hope no one is listening to these people.

What A Joke
Meghan and her father belong in the Socialist Democrat Party.

Please leave us ASAP. We will be much better off for it.

John McCain is/was a joke. Global warming, water boarding is torture and etc. Mr. McCain should wish that he was water boarded instead of the REAL TORTURE he received.

Fact; There were 2 Democrats running for president. THERE WAS NO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE!

Pitiful campaign
John McCain did not lose the election because some sort of "discriminated class" did not vote for him. He lost because he ran the worst Republican presidential campaign of all time. He always appeared unprepared, addled and dopey on TV and at rallies. His response to the "financial crisis" could have put him over the top but he bungled that so badly that I felt embarassed. I voted for him because at least his appointments could have included folks who would have put this country first. Sure would have been better than what we are faced with now. I think John McCain's daughter needs to just announce herself as liberal and be done with it and stop lecturing those of us who still care about the USA and the USA for our children.

Meghan McCain
The more I hear from Meghan McCain, the less impressed I am. She is proving to be a silly, shallow twit seemingly delighted with all the attention the liberal press is bestowing upon her. She needs to grow up.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY & NOAH'S ARK
The dimwitted Democrats are drawing toward the precipice led by the their pied piping leader Barack the Blind with political masterminds like Steve Schmidt and Meghan McCain wanting the Republican Party to follow their lead into the abyss. Republicans must resist such ruinous advice and if anything retreat to the moral high ground to escape the coming disaster. A good Biblical metaphor for the time ahead would be Noah's Ark.

This is garbage
Gays and lesbians enjoy all the rights everyone else has in this country and to state otherwise is an outright lie! To characterize their "struggle for equality" with that of the civil rights movement is disengenuous at the very least and pure garbage at best. Civil unions are recognized in all fifty states as the legal equivalent to marriage. What gays and lesbians REALLY want is MORAL ACCEPTANCE. I will not and can not give that. I have had friendships with many gays and lesbians and can accept their lifestyle choice on a social level but moral acceptance is a different matter all together.

folk
Please do not listen to Meghan.

The GOP as Obstruction
Why is it all these 'brilliant' Republican strategists talk & act like they're learning-disabled? No matter how many times they lose big going wobbly & standing for nothing, they keep wanting to do more of the same. I would repeat what I think of the GOP's apparent fixation on cutesy clever strategy to the exclusion of principle, but I honestly think that's a symptom rather than the root cause.

"if it will get you elected, embrace it."-?! ExCUSE me? It doesn't even have THAT going for it! Wobbliness is a losing proposition any way you cut it.

This endless feckless chase after mysterious elusive moderate independents never made much sense even on paper, but now we have a massive body of experience to confirm it is simply political seppuku. The GOP is always being urged to woo the 'independents' & the young with this swill. Those such as these young adults Meghan talks about who actually want it can go to the Dems & get the full dose. There's no market for "Democrat Lite" out there.

I honestly think that the Rockies & other statist careerist elements in & around the Republican Party want to ensure that whatever it does, it never again offers real conservatism as an option to the electorate. However, they want to preserve it as a placeholder & a nominal "brand x" "the other party" just to take up the space & use up the oxygen blocking a true conservative party from becoming the real opposition. That's the real goal, & that's why the Rockie statists win even when they lose elections.

Be Who You Are
Liberals embraced their left wing and won, Republicans tried to be "moderate" and lost. Be who you are, hold to your priciples and defend your beliefs that is how conservatives will regain the majority, not becoming democrat-light.

Political Soul
Great last line of "What shall it profit a party if it gains electoral victory, but loses its political soul?" As a former Democrat, I've
told many Republican friends that they could not and should not try to become more liberal but instead, had to be more articulate on what they stood for and to get that message out to middle class America.

Insufficiently Conservative?
Yes, Republicans lost power because they were "insufficiently conservative" if you mean by the term Republicans are okay with socialism as long as it is not implimented as fast as the Democrats wish it to be.

They haven't figure out a thing.
I respect John McCain and his service to our country — both as a soldier and as a senator — but he wasn't my first choice as a candidate. In fact, he didn't even make the top five. Why? Because he wasn't conservative enough.

The GOP had better get their act together quickly and stop worrying about corporate branding and how to win fringe voters. They substantially lost congressional seats in 2006 because they weren't behaving like conservatives and were not listening to their conservative base. They apparently still haven't got the message we sent when we voted them out of office.

And how about the last presidential race? Governor Palin connected more with the conservative base than Sen. McCain. She energized us. But, it still wasn't enough.

They have to get it into their heads that trying to reach across the aisle only gets their hands bit off. They need to reconnect with grassroots conservatives if they have any hope of survival. They also need to stop playing nice and stand firm on conservative issues. They're not going to win back the conservative base until they can prove they understand what it means to be conservative and can display that they are willing to fight for those values and ideals.

My two cents.




Despite Ms Carrie Prejean's very best
... efforts to set the record straight and to provide her and every other dumb broad the very very very best imaginable moral and intellectual example, near Annapolis drop out, former North Vietnam and Soviet Military Military Intelligence Advisor, Yuma lettuce picking contractor and life-time RINO, the vacuous sovereign-border traitor, John McRainman's, even dumber daughter seems determined to prove that blondes are dumb.

Just like Cal Thomas.

(Someone give her the f*g-h*g Huffington's number, willyah?)

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles CalifO'ZEROcated 90028
And the Far Abroad

Sure ...
The American public as a whole raises its voice on 4/15 and say "No More Taxes", and RINO McCain's RINO child tells us "Be more like the Jacka$$ Party". So, we can't use "enhanced Questioning " methods, methods our enemies would use in battle, but we can adopt our political enemies' methods.

Now how's that goin' to work out? NOT TOO GOOD!

Solid Conservativism works every time strong people believe and follow it. If the GOP wants to commit suicide, fine. Conservatives will keep up the fight.

The Second Protects the rest
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