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Tuesday, January 06, 2009
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
Pigs at the Trough
by Cal Thomas
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Like pigs waiting in line to get their snouts in the feeding trough, come many of the nation's governors -- on the heels of the mayors -- asking Washington for bailout money.

Democratic governors from overspending states like New York, Wisconsin, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Ohio are among those seeking financial deliverance. The governors want Washington to pony up $1 trillion for their absolutely-essential-non-negotiable-if-we-don't-get-the-money-people-will-starve programs.

New York Governor David Paterson claims that, because tax revenues have plunged, 43 states now have budget deficits totaling around $100 billion. No, those states have deficits because when times were good and the money was rolling in they thought they could get away with endless new programs, while putting little or no money aside for the inevitable rainy day. Neither did they consider which programs were necessary and which ones were just politically beneficial. Or, maybe they did and they opted for politically beneficial, thus creating their problem, and ours.

Notice the sleight of hand about to be perpetrated on hardworking taxpayers. In the end, it is we who pay for the plans of politicians who are unable, or unwilling, to control themselves when it comes to other peoples' money. When Republicans cut taxes, Democrats scream about growing deficits. But Democrats never worry about the deficit when they spend more than what the government takes in. So it really isn't about the deficit at all. It is about how much of our hard-earned money the Democrats, mostly, will allow us to keep. When you understand this, you understand everything about politics and politicians.

Every program created and sustained by Democrats (and increasingly some Republicans) must be kept. Once created, they must continue, no matter how unnecessary, outdated, or corrupt they become. The proof of eternal life is to be found in government programs, which are harder to kill than a vampire, another blood-sucking beast.

The incoming Obama administration wants to spend gobs of money on "infrastructure," creating government jobs that will end when the work is completed. Isn't infrastructure primarily supposed to be the work of state and local governments? Isn't the gasoline tax supposed to go to build and repair local roads and bridges? The federal responsibility should begin and end with the interstate highway system.

The governors' request for more money from Washington is also about unfunded mandates, the rising cost of Medicare and Medicaid and a lot of other "entitlement" programs that could have been made solvent during the Bush administration, which tried, but was unable to succeed due to opposition from Democrats who preferred to have an issue rather than a solution.

It isn't that options, other than overspending and misspending, don't exist. The Heritage Foundation's Brian Riedel, Stuart Butler and others (heritage.org), the National Taxpayers Union (ntu.org) and Citizens Against Government Waste (cagw.org) have all written thoughtful and nonpartisan papers on the subject of government pork. The problem is that Democratic politicians (and too many Republican politicians, which is why the GOP is again in the minority) have refused to adopt them. Again, Democrats would rather foster a dependency on government so that people would be less self-reliant and more dependent on politicians for their current and future welfare.

This is a formula for socialism and for whatever political system follows to enforce it, though socialism advances even in our supposed constitutional republic. Anyone who relies less on themselves and more on government will see their freedoms erode. It has always been this way.

If this growing dependence on ever more costly and overreaching government continues, we may have to change the familiar letter abbreviation for this country from USA to ATM.

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ATM
sounds good compared to what it might be better labeled as..... VISA.

Who Will Stop the Madness?
Yes, but Cal, who will stop the spending madness Congress and Obama will do? They have two years to enact as many stupid tax laws and restrictions as they can, and pay out as much and as fast as they can to their cronies before Conservatism can step in and repair the damage in 2010.

These governors are asking for funds, supposedly for their states; actually it's to present favors to those who contribute heavily to their campaigns. Look at the mess Bill Richardson is in; pay to play is the name of the game.

Let's remember these greedy beggers at the taxpayer-funded trough in 2010. Take names!

Democrats
want more than 50% of the population to dependent on the government for their living. That way they will have a premanent majority. Obama wants to add 600,000 government workers. Once hired do you think any of these people will ever lose their jobs?

Let them go.

Listen, We are pass the point of no return.
American voters has decided to keep hitting the national treasury for every failure in their lives.

Let them spend spend spend. The sooner this government collaspes the better.

The sooner Liberals are off the public dole the better.

We are no longer a nation of laws.
We are no longer the land of opportunity.
We are no longer a country that rewards hard work.
We are no longer a country that cherishes individual freedom.

Anyone who believes otherwise is just delusional.

Good Riddance.

Exactly right, h20skier
The problem NY state has is that 60% of the people who live in the state, work for the state. They will not vote to combine services of towns and villages or school districts even though the population is leaving. Voting to merge services would be voting their job out of existance. But with so many layers of gov't how can you change the economics of a welfare state.

Let them go- Amen!
Jeffersonian Constitutionalist is correct. Evolution advances by extinction of unfit species.

I hope that the surviving patriots of life, liberty, and property will raise generations worthy of these principles.

Slaughter the Pigs!
Enough with the Spendapalooza!

When most Americans see their incomes decrease, their spending likewise consricts.
Government needs to be held to the same standard. Do downturns hurt? Absolutely, but you can take the opportunity to grow lean and mean, then live on to fight another day.

I'm sick of the blackmail that Government, Corporations, Unions, etc. Babies are always supposed to die, if we don't hand over more money? Excuse me, little darlings, we HAVE already handed you a ton of money. What did YOU do with it? If "babies starve", it is YOUR fault.

Now, grow some and be big boys or off to slaughterhouse for you!

a piece of the action..
It's about wanting a "piece of the action".

With the 700 million dollar Fortress-America Compound/Embassy recently being unveiled in Baghdad's Green Zone, and with estimates that the ultimate cost of the Iraq will be well in excess of two trillion American tax dollars(per Nobel prize winner in economics Joseph Stiglitz), I suppose these hapless saps occupying the various governorships are wanting a little piece of the action for their own people.

These clueless governors must have been thinking that if the American sap of a taxpayer supports politicians who squander a couple of trillion taxpayer bucks on a nation whose residents make a hero out of a shoe-tosser, then maybe those politicians can send a little of that money to help our own.

Those darn governors.

They need to get their priorities right.

It's all about paying whatever price it takes to democratize the world.

Bush and the neocons showed us the way.

Nature of Pigs
I raised pigs and I know something about their eating habits.
1. They are never satisfied will eat as long as you put food out.
2. Don't take turns, will fight and bite to be number one at the food.
3. Pigs don't care what they look like will come to the trough and eat with mud on their mugs.
4. Get so fat so quick can hardly walk.
5. All the while seem friendly.

Pork Bellies
Yesterdays commodities closed with Pork Bellies At 87.65 cents per pound. $87.65 per hundred weight. We would get much for these pigs even if we took them to market.

How about Parliament of Whores?
"USA to ATM" -- these thug punks want more of our money in ths way? Nasty, despicable politicos for sure -- not even certain I can vote Republican anymore since they are almost as craven. Will our representatives allow more pork to be distributed? What about the children.

God, I live in a country where such personalities -- Arnold, Blago, etc. -- could be elected to office? How the world has changed since the 70s. US of Sleaze. Amen, bro -- but at least we have our first chocolate President so close your eyes and let the spending skyrocket even further.

Stashed Funds
The states need to dip into the trillions of dollars they have hidden. Then they need to take a look at the amount of dollars being spent on illegal immigrants. That should solve their problems.

Pigs at the Trough
AND "WHO" pray tell puts these fools in office - - the collective MASS of FOOLS, that's WHO, which is US!!! We have reached, it appears, the CRITICAL MASS of COLLECTIVIST, INFANTILE, JUVENILE "ENTITLEMENT" mind(sic)-set STUPIDITY. We have a childlike population wholly unable to govern themselves let alone anyone or anything else. Turn on the TV news and what do you see, nothing but "SUPERMARKET-CHECKOUT-STAND claptrap and notoriously disgraceful relations of what the "stars" are doing, screwing, ingesting, saying, etc., etc. Is this the "STUFF" that would appeal to any society but what I describe above??!!!

America was founded and based upon a MATURE, INTELLIGENT, GOD-FEARING society. It will NOT work for anyone without these attributes. Communism's core doctrine of "INEVITABILITY" is right on, I'm afraid!!

"Tax,Tax,Tax...Spend,Spend,Spend...
..."Elect,Elect,Elect!"

So who is the dummy here?The politician or the electorate?

I rest my case.

AND WHO'S 'NOT' IN LINE?
Anyone see the Governor standing in line that the mainstream media declared too 'inexperienced' and 'unsuitable' to be elected Vice President, crying 'Gimme, Gimme, Gimme!'?
You know, the 'overly dressed' Saturday Night Live character, who can see Russia from her back woods cabin, cleaning her guns and clinging to her Bible. The Governor that sold the States 'private jet' using commercial air transportation when needed and drives herself to work instead of the States limo because she believes the jet and limo are the unnecessary and 'wasteful' use of taxpayer money (whereas, princess pelosi, demanded her own 200 passenger private jet at the tune of $60,000.00 of taxpayer money one way, to jaunt back and forth to California). The Governor who has 80% plus approval rating of her States voters. The Governor of the largest State in our Nation whose government is in the black, not the red. You know, according to those in power, the Governor who couldn't possibly be intelligent enough to be in Washington DC.
Governor Palin doesn't need to stand in line.
How fortunate for the American citizens of Alaska, that Governor Palin wasn't 'Smart' enough for all American citizens--for they have her and we don't.

I'm afraid that we are done for
I'm just glad that I'm as old as I am.
With the first dark president, I think he will be controlled by a dark lady that has suddenly become proud of our Country.

I think that she has many issues of her own that will do us no good.

As far as the dims are concerned, it is too late for them to wake up. They are committed to believe that the government means what it says, that is, the Government will take care of you from the cradle to the grave.

There is no giddyup and go in 90% of the dims. All they want is a handout from the government.

God help our grandchildren.

The level of Government control
is inversely related to the level of the moral integrity of the people.

If socialism is what Americans morality deserves than so be it. If the American people will not govern themselves they deserve to be governed by a government whether socialism, dictatorship, communism, etc.

Americans are not immune from enslavement because of there own unchecked uncontrolled lusts.

You are giving pigs .....
You are giving pigs a bad name comparing them to these political & private industry greedy bums!

I disagree with One Thing ...
Pigs don't wait in a line unless forced to reach a trough. They all rush in, pushing and shoving the others aside to get more than the rest. So are the American mayors and everyone else.

The biggest mistake the government has made in years was to start "bailouts". As soon as one got it the rest want it and will use the first one as a reason to get their own. Further, Congress is ready to give them out in return for campaign money - which comes from the money they give out. Most of these "bailouts" do nothing except increase the profits of the companies asking.

Women's Anti-Palin Prejudice
Thanks, Fishy, for your comments. I've had arguments with women about Gov. Palin's attributes and credentials, but after the holidays just past I've given up. By and large, women just do not care about politics and so react emotionally. Please, I know most of the women on TH do know plenty about politics and use their knowledge rationally. But I would say a majority of the women who voted for Obama in the last election knew less about him than 95% of the TH posters. In the final analysis voters only have themselves to blame for the mediocre politians now in Washington, D.C., and for the incoming Messiah and his acolytes. God save the Queen, uh, the USA.

Blame,
The real bottom line is,the American people have nobody to blame but themselves. They don't take the time to be informed about the issues. They would rather spend the time eating,watching TV,playing video games,etc. So, for a free(not really) lunch they keep voting these scum bags into office. We have met the enemy and they are us,(Pogo). God help us all!!!

Great
so taxpayers in responsible states will have to pony up for polkticians and ridiculous programs they never voted for in the first place.

Talk about taxation without representation -- I keep wondering when the revolution is.

Jerseyvet
you are absolutely right. Women as a whole vote their feelings and it has destroyed this country. The worst thing we ever did was give women the right to vote. The second worst thing was to eliminate the requirement that one own property in order to vote. We now have an electorate full of emotional children dependent on big mama government.

You can say it
Republicans are full of guilt as the Democrats.

quote:"It is about how much of our hard-earned money the Democrats, mostly, will allow us to keep. When you understand this, you understand everything about politics and politicians." True, oh so true.y

They use it to buy their elections just like the Democrats. Tell me one that stood for our Liberty. Not only fiscal but social, and freedoms. Campaign for Liberty, Ron Paul, but momentum is coming on.

McCain, Bush I and II, are great examples of Republicans that ran or claimed principle but do not have it in their hearts. All of them have ended in disaster. Leaving the party in shame.

Excellent column!
5 checks.

Thomas Triumphs!
What a great column, but too many won't and don't read these columns. David Walker's IOUSA warning about trillions of unfunded entitlements coming our way like a tsunami doesn't get the least amount of press. What does? The messiah's 1) abs; 2) children's first day at school; 3) new "stimulus" (wink, wink) program to spend $500 billion creating new jobs? I realize it's too late for my generation to get a handle on spending. I hope the next generation wakes up before it becomes nothing more than slaves or indentured government servants. God save the republic.

Today's Voltaire quote: "It is dangerous to be right when government is wrong."

Love the Sarkhozy Pic
The French picking their noses is like Americans drinking a beer. ;)

Lulu - Better Rethink
You honestly believe the "worst thing" we ever did was give women the vote? How about the worst thing we ever did was permit politicians to spend, spend, spend and ignore Constitutional limits? I suggest men are just as much responsible as women and greed, emotion and ignorance are not the sole province of women!

Your sweeping generalizations along with Jerseyvet do a disservice to thinking women everywhere. Jeanne Kirkpatrick (RIP) and Maggy Thatcher are two examples of brilliant strategists and leaders, but I suppose you would also ban women from running for office? Stop generalizing.

LuLu and Jerseyvet
You are absolutely correct. Now the problem is that it is probably impossible to reform our voting system to reflect this good sense. Those who think with their emotions and the greedy poor who seek something for nothing from the government pig feeders are in control of our national destiny. Only a series of major miracles from the hand of God himself can save us from the inevitable disastrous consequences of these prior suicidal decisions.

One Correction Jim, MO
"Subject: Pigs at the Trough
AND "WHO" pray tell puts these fools in office - - the collective MASS of FOOLS, that's WHO, which is US!!!"

It is not the collective mass of fools, but the SMELLY TOURISTS that pay the salaries of Dingy Harry and his fellow lawmakers and those, who pay nothing, but expect everything.

Government taxes THOSE, WHO WORK, AND NOT THOSE, WHO DO FAIL TO EVEN LOOK FOR A JOB.

I want a BUTT TAX!
If you sit on your butt, then YOU pay taxes. After all, obesity leads to a whole slew of medical problems. Given the amount of junk in most American's trunks, we can solve all of society ills without going into debt.

$$$$$$Forfeit right to vote$$$$$$$
The only way to stop it is to take the vote away from any individual recieving Government money. You become a dependant you forfeit your vote.

ColinCody
God Himself has set up natural laws of economics. There will be natural consequences to breaking them. We we wake up then? Some will.

Hope of liberty
James Madison--- "The happy union of these states is a wonder; their Constitution is a miracle; their example the hope of liberty throughout the world. Woe to the ambition that would meditate the destruction of either!"

What Constitution?
What the heck has happened to personal responsibility? Watching this mess unfold is like watching the movie "Titanic"...we are sinking fast, and the solutions presented are actually causing the sinking to go faster. Taxing people to extinction will not solve the problem...it will only create more problems as people are smart enough to hide their money, if need be under their mattresses...We need less government, and more power to the people. Everyone including all state governments, federal, city, have to go on DIETS!!! They have to be the ones who actually cut their spending to the bone. They are the ones who need to tighten their belts...for far too long, the USA taxpayer has had to tighten their belts but no one in government has had to do this...now it is their turn...i.e. look at these "cost of living" increases in federal budgets, city budgets, etc. The USA citizen in private companies do not get "cost of living" increases, they have to suck it up...now it is time for governments to do the same...starting with the Congressional pay raises....txpoljldy

Irony
This and the Thomas Sowell article next to ads touting "Free Government Money" and "Grants for Republicans"!

Re; State Gov.????
The Gov. of those states who are asking for a bailout should be taken out back and horsewhipped!!! That is because they allowed all the freebees that will break that states bank for all the entitlements that are going to Illegals!!! This is why those states are in the red and you can't argue with the facts!!! Cut out entitlements for Illegals and you will see a drastic increase in state funds!!!

Vampires and Programs
Both are easily killed and by the same thing. Just expose them to a little sunlight and they turn into dust and blow away. Taxpayers simply have no idea where their money is going, that's why the majority of this stuff continues.

Mark, I Know...
Denise and a fat tax

Don't laugh but, Patterson is proposing a "obesity tax", a tax on sugar laden soft drinks.

NY also figured out a way to tax purchases from Amazon.com, this is being fought in courts.

And lets not forget, we had a GOP governor for 12 years and a GOP controlled senate from 1965-2008.

I drink water and Iced Tea.
I eat on fish and veggies.
I put about 2,500 miles a year on my car.
I don't go to movies, as I prefer TCM, my DVD collection of over 500, and documentaries.
And, UPS deliveries "free shipping and tax-free" Amazon purchases to my house almost every day. I order everything from paper towes to jewelry on Amazon.

Fortunately, in LA, we have a Governor that balances budgets. After the onset of the economic meltdown, Jindal told us that there would be NO tax increases and some services would have to be cut in order to keep the budget balanced. He had almost 100% support.

So, I hope Washington can read my middle finger from here because I will pay little, if any, taxes.

STARVE THE BEAST!

PS: If you want, I will ship you sugary soft drinks.

Let Them Go Bankrupt
Being from New Jersey. The state is totally out of control. Too many government workers, paid way too much with outrageous pensions they didn't save.

Why do state employees who get such high saleries also get overtime? You don't see that in private industry.

A less often mentioned cause of the forclosure crises is Property TAXES.

The government (at all levels) is the energy problem; You can't get a PERMIT to drill, build a power plant, put up a windmill, or put up a solar panel.

LuLu
I can't believe that you said that women vote based on feelings rather than objectivity. I was actually stunned by your remark. If you had said that women voted for Obama because they fantasized about seeing him naked, it wouldn't have been any more stunning.

The people who vote based on feelings, mostly about making themselves feel just and good, are the out in limbo liberals. You do a disservice to every thinking woman in this country and I, for one, will look at your posts with a jaundiced eye, which is just as unfair to you.

The BIGGEST PIG was wearing Lipstick
and her name is Nancy Pelosi.Did yall see her plastered smile yesterday as she sat next to Nobama?She IS the New "OBama Girl".She was so giddy with excitement knowing her token master was going to be giving TONS of money to her beloved State of Insanity,Corruption and Deficient MINDS!Did yall know that we people have a SURPLUS here in Texas..duh,it's because we have CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS managing our state..not those fakes in Congress.We just PAID 10 Million to have Caterpillar to come here..we are awesome and carrying on the American Dream while the Detroits of America are being destroyed..I say we build a border fence around Texas to keep out the left loons!

Mark & The Obesity Tax
I wrote:
"I want a BUTT TAX!
If you sit on your butt, then YOU pay taxes. After all, obesity leads to a whole slew of medical problems. Given the amount of junk in most American's trunks, we can solve all of society ills without going into debt."

This is directed at those, who do not work, rather than those, who work and drink (OMFG!) a Coke.

Patterson may have labeled it as an "Obesity Tax", but if you believe that all of the money will go to healthcare costs, then I have some O&G leases to sell you in Central Park! :)

Mod Mark NY
Government workers don’t pay real taxes they take more out of the cookie jar then they put into the cookie jar.

We had a mayor in Flint Michigan a while back that upon hearing that the gold mine was closing and moving to Mexico said: (That’s ok we’ll just create more government jobs).

Flint went into bankruptcy and the state had to step in.

So that .79 back for every tax dollar paid might change if you excluded the not real taxes that Government workers pay.

Robert, TX - You Will Love This!
"Cut out entitlements for Illegals and you will see a drastic increase in state funds!!!"

In CA, state universities charge enormous out-of-state tuition for the Americans living in other states, but illegals get to pay "in-state" tuition.

How much further out-of-state can you get from out of the COUNTRY?

Jeffersonian Constit.
"The sooner this government collapses the better."

Is it our duty to watch our country turn to Chaos? From there to Tyranny?

Are you saying it is our duty to watch this country collapse in hopes that somehow we will regain wisdom and common sense as a people. Not!

Our Founding Fathers were ready to die for liberty! Who in this country cares besides our brave soldiers.

As a nation, we the people have lost our passion for freedom and have chosen to live off of the government which has promised to take care of us. Sounds like Hansel and Gretel to me.





ModMark
I'm afraid you do not understand natural law. Do you know what gravity is?

Hail the Goose!
One of our problems is that the people who elected the present tax-and-spend politicians are not people who read these columns…they don’t read any columns, they just listen to empty promises from empty suits, surrounded by other bloated trough-eating pols who are continually re-elected by that same a-political electorate. Until we are able to convince the south 1/3 of the hierarchy tower of informed citizens that government is to serve them, not support them, we will have a Democrat majority in congress, and in the Whitehouse. Who would vote out of office the goose who will lay the golden egg?

Time For Mohammed Atta II
The whole Congress needs to be destroyed.

Keep the $300B in tax cuts since you idiots want to use it as a trade-off to spend upwards of $700B on makework. Our off-book national debt, which includes Social Security and Medicaid, is anywhere from $56T to $75T. We need to stop spending money that we don't have when we owe a staggering amount now.

For all Ds & Rs, who vote for this cr@p, I hope that you can understand "%@&k You!", as well as those of my sons and any unborn heirs, from here!

Mark, I'll ship the beer, too!

And, for the others, you are right. Obama did campaign on this krap, but I doubt many realized that there is no such thing as a "free lunch"! The postman might always ring twice, but the taxman never does.

Gravity
What we do know is the mathematical force.

Gravity = G*(mass of the first object + mass of the second object)/(distance between them squared).

What we don't know is WHY mass is attracted to one another. Maybe we should elect a politician to tell us, they're the masters of the universe apparently.

Don't Forget the Mayors
Chicago over spends and over taxes, I am sure that with Mayor Daley’s friend in office he’ll come begging also. Chicago new tourist slogan should be, IF YOU THINK DALLAS TEXAS, YOU SHOULD SEE CHICAGO. See it at, http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/2009/01/chicago-unveil s-new-tourist-slogan.html

To Joycey in Oh
What a grand idea, barring everyone in America receiving government money (which is the taxpayers money-for we're paying for these 'handouts') were not allowed to vote. Then NO politician would be able to vote (after all they certainly aren't doing the job we've hired them to do and are collecting 'unearned' handouts from the taxpayers). And nor should the subsidised farmers, able-bodied welfare recipients, 'failing' business administrators, UAW gangsters, Acorn etc. etc. be allowed to vote. Maybe that would end voter fraud as in 'franken', corruption as in 'Blago', continual campaigning as in 'barry', blackmail as in 'unions', lobbying, earmarks and the 'beat' goes on. And just maybe, we'd have politicians whose first interests were our Constitution and the American people, instead of themselves. Farmers might grow enough food that we all could afford (even the poor and hungry). Those running for election might just be honest as well as the election process itself. Those on welfare might actually be those in need. Business CEOs might start running their companys for the purpose the companys were created rather than running them into the ground and pocketing the profits on their way out the door. Unions might return to the reason they were established-to protect employees interests rather than taking advantage of them.
OPPS! Sorry. I'm just a Conservative imagining a Conservative fantasy world, directly opposite from the 'fantasy land' the majority of Americans voted for.

Politically Correct Society
Denise said… I want a BUTT TAX! If you sit on your butt, then YOU pay taxes. After all, obesity leads to a whole slew of medical problems. Given the amount of junk in most American's trunks, we can solve all of society ills without going into debt.>>>

If that came about the minorities will claim that the butt tax is racist and a social commentary on the large buttocks of both Blacks and Hispanics, as would be the obesity tax, if it goes nationally would become another commentary on our current political correct society.

I am unable to work because I’ve had a stroke and as a right-handed person, which currently my right side has about 45% usage, as I type the hunt and peck style writing this response. I would love to work, but I don’t have any employers knocking down my door to offer me employment with only 45% capability of fulfilling any job. Should I then be taxed? What about individuals who have permanent disabilities should they also be taxed?

A more fair tax would be a stupidity tax, since all nationalities and ethnic communities has truly stupid taxpayers for the continuation of voting the same morons into office and tax the politicians thrice for running and taking office, so they can feel the weight their decisions have on the rest of us. Most politicians are greedy, which generally leads to eventual corruption as we’ve seen in the past from both parties as well as the current situations for Governor’s Blagojevich and Richardson and as we’ve seen in the 1990’s with Bill Clinton. They make decisions based on what will give them wealth, and it causes distrust and dishonesty between the public and our politicians. Consider the recent poll that said only 8% of the Illinois public feel that Governor Blagojevich was doing a great job and are happy with his tainted appointment of Roland Burris. That’s a clear definition of stupidity.

Irisheyes
I did NOT mean you. You have a legitimate reason for not being able to work. Unfortunately, many of the moochers do not.

A "Stupidity Tax" would work, as well. If you can't name your own Governor, town, the first POTUS, etc., then you should forfeit your right to vote. ("You" not meaning YOU) :)

Do government workers do anything?
Besides suck up all the tax dollars so we don't have enough to replace basketball nets or fix potholes, or purchase text books. Go into your local city government office and check out the number of your employees doing little to nothing and having a bad attitude about it. They mismanage the public swimming pool. They are loosing money so they double the rate instead of lowering it. This forces fewer people to buy pool passes. The pool sits empty. Ding dongs. The most powerful tree guy sends me nasty letters everytime I plant something. Ridiculous.

I refuse to go to the Post Office. We have the nicest free market package delivery shop. The owners smile, they don't ignore you and have all the patience in the world. They made me cookies and wished me a "Merry Christmas".

Robert in TX
Amen brother, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Mod Mark
Or close enough for celestial objects weighing in at billions or trillions of tons.

ModMark
Do you understand that what goes up must come down?

Welcome 111th Congress
When will the public ever realize that Congress, politics and politicians are about the art of lying and looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.

I have
the misfortune of having Dipsy Doyle as Guv.
He's an idiot, and corrupt. We didn't have fiscal problems when Tommy was guv and our businesses weren't leaving the state. We have paper mills closing because of 'environmental'
issues..like cleaning up the residue of 100 years in the rivers, even though the residue
is settled on the bottom. One theory was to cap it with clay but NOOOO that would be too cheap and easy, it's better to fine all the mills along the river and DREDGE the gunk up.
Now isn't it common sense to think that if you stir something lying on the bottom it would
filter through the water supplies and if you just left it and capped it there'd be no filtrates stirred. This idiot wrote me once when I complained about not having picture id's to vote..he said it would be too hard on the elderly and poor..uh huh yeah right..truth is it would be too hard to commit vote fraud and get himself re elected. My husband lost a job due to the State driving his employers out of the State on a technicality regarding business signs. My son just closed the doors of his 2 year old small business and I'm sure he won't get any 'bailout' not that he would take it..town, county state and fed taxes helped close him up along with gas prices that hiked his food costs. Did I mention they allowed
gambling in this State on the promise of property tax cuts..that lasted a short time. And this clown made a sweetheart deal with the tribes that we still aren't sure about but since he's a DemonRAT you can be sure of one thing..it wasn't with the best interests of the people but in his OWN political interests. Did I tell you he's in the pocket of the State Teachers Union also. My only consolation is that it's not quite as bad as my home state Mass. We'd move if our kids weren't all living here, and we'd move south.

Stupid me
When I saw the title of this piece I was certain it was about over pampered, overpaid, over perked, over pensioned teachers, cops and other public parasites. But then again where do you think a large portion of the bailout money would go?

Nam 65-66 @7:23 am
You nailed it in your post.

None of the insanity would be taking place in the federal and state legislatures if the current crop of prostitutes weren't elected in the first place. And they keep getting elected.

It's like the woman (or man) who goes to therapy to complain about their alcoholic spouse, and all the chaos and misery they create in the home.

They are surprised when finally told, "You picked him (or her)", and then, "you may as well stop complaining and either accept it or get a divorce because your spouse is doing what alcoholics do". Most people will stay with the drunk and suffer.

A majority of voters will elect the "alcoholic" everytime. After all, in moments of brief sobriety they sound so smooth, loving and charming.

If a majority of voters set high personal standards for their candidates, and demanded character and enduring values from them, we would have good representatives. It really is that simple.

Who wants to bet....
....that the same people will be elected to congress in the next election? C'mon, folks! I'll give you odds!

After winning, I won't be moving to Costa Rica. I'll buy my own Carribean island complete with staff.

Truth is, a majority of voters appear to be stimulated by the corruption and ineptitude in government. This majority just loves the pain and theater.

If anyone asks if I could do a better job, the answer is, "of course". To start, I'd end welfare and leave that job to the private sector, I'd cut the federal workforce in half, privatize most services, imprison corrupt government employees and officials for at least 20 years, deport illegals and end the "anchor baby" insanity, close the IRS and implement a flat tax, the Dept. of Education would be eliminated, and I would promise our enemies that their complete destruction would be guranteed if they harmed a hair on the head of even one American.

Then again, I wouldn't make it to the end of my term. I'd end up lynched.

All the blue $tate$
The leaches have their hands out (as usual), all those leftist blue states that can be counted on every presidential election to cast their vote for the demon who will hand out the most $$ to their lazy selfs, now have their dream pres-select and their spend, spend, more government mandates congress and house, ready to buy more votes off the taxpayers backs and the good of our country !
Cut programs, make some real sacrifices, do something creative in your own state, STOP LEACHING !!! YOUR LEFTIST SOCIALIST WAYS DO NOT WORK, SO TRY SOMETHING NEW ! YOU DEGENERATES !

And then there is California, the wonder state, with all it's "innovations," $500 million high school, all the enviromental mafia, where Maria is the real governor and arnie just a willing pawn. GET YOUR OWN MONEY !! YOU LEACHES !!

The great New York, home of the leftist know it all chuck u schtmuer, you need $$$. Did you run out of people to rip off ? EARN IT AND STOP LEACHING IT !!!


Pigs are always hogs
A small matter, but I lived on a farm with many pigs. Believe me, they don't wait in line. When slop is poured into the trough, they literally get into the trough to make sure they get more than the others. They just do what pigs always do.

The worst mistake
we made was letting the pols decide their very own wages and benefits. I'd like to know how many times I've seen them ignore serious problems--or put them on the back burner--but before they've gone out the door they've voted themselves large raises and perks. Noone left in Washington is there for the good of the country. They are too busy feathering their own nests. And YES there are a bunch of stupid voters sho keep sending them back!!

Cal
"...This is a formula for socialism and for whatever political system follows to enforce it, though socialism advances even in our supposed constitutional republic. Anyone who relies less on themselves and more on government will see their freedoms erode. It has always been this way..."

Actually that is a lie. Right now the extremely low wages, high debt and crumbling infrastructure and services steal freedom from us all. When salaries were relatively high and infrastructure and services maintained and expanded like in the 40s, 50s and 60s the country was definately freer. It is conservatism failed philosophy and low wages requiring several jobs to barely survive that steals freedom from all of us.

Too Many People Don't Pay Income Taxes.
someone mentioned above that too many taxpayers don't know where their tax money is going. I would agree, but might I also add that since more and more of the folks on the bottom don't pay any income taxes, they don't care where tax money is spent. As a matter of fact, they are probably receiving a chunk of other taxpayers money from the government. They don't care how tax revenues are spent as long as they get what they are "entitled" to. That's another big part of the problem. If the socialists can get 51% of "The People" off of the tax rolls, they can then promise tax increases for the rich to pay for more government programs, and the majority of "the people" will vote for the socialists, because they "think" someone else will be punished while they benefit. This is not a good situation for a supposedly free society with free markets. Government is a necessary evil, but it's like fire. Once it gets too big, everyone is in danger of getting burned, even if some folks feel warmed by the extra heat and are happy about that.

On Credibility, Cal Flunks Out
Cal, for years you ignored the trough-dwellers raking off billions as "defense" contractors and "advisers" and "corruptos" during the Iraq war.

Why? Because you supported the war.

Clear-eyed Christians are supposed to call out wrongdoing, no matter who's to blame, Cal. But you hedged your bets. Did that Oval Office visit get to you, perhaps?

Where have you been, Cal? Why were your principles on hold until Democrats started getting the spoils?

Bad show, Cal. Your credibility = zilch.

Conservative Differentiation
If conservatives in Congress (both houses) do not stand up and propose a TRUE tax-cutting plan, as opposed to the income redistribution plan the left is seeking, it will demonstrate that they learned nothing from the last 8-10 years of behaving as liberal lite.

Republofascists are the cause
The ruin and bankruptcy of our nation are due to the stupidity of Conservative politics. What Conservatives have not learned is that their philosophy of government fails to take into account human nature.

Thanks to de-regulation we have an ineffective SEC. Investors are looted and lied to and the Bush administration awards the Wall Street thieves a $700 Billion bailout bonus for corruption and incompetence. Bravo!

Thanks to Conservatives, the government has ballooned and become 60% larger in just 8 years.Bravo!

Thanks to Conservatives, America is mired in the Iraq quagmire bleeding the public treasury of $12 Billion per month stealing money from worthy projects such as schools, hospitals, business development and infrastructure. Bravo!

Thanks to Conservatives who love amnesty for illegals so businesses can exploit them, the border fence was not completed and illegals continue to undercut American workers and families and wire the money out of the country.
Bravo!

Thanks to Conservatives, the nation is entering an Economic Depression due to stupidity, corruption, mismangement and overpayment to incompetent CEOs.Bravo!

Thanks to Conservatives, our nation is now MORE dependent on foreign oil then ever in history. Reagan even took the solar panels off the WH to waste more fuel.Bravo!

Thanks to Conservatives, our children will be tomorrow's debt slaves and will inherit a depleted 3rd world America in receivership to Communist China. Bravo!

Thanks to Conservatives, we must all hang our heads low as we are known around the world as a nation of torturers and have squandered the moral advantage we once enjoyed: traded away for the glee of our S&M practicioners on POW's at Abu Ghirabe. Bravo!


Government Workers
B.Hussein talks about putting a half-million people on the payroll to work on the infrastructure. Maybe he will make some of the welfare recipients do that job to earn their monthly government checks..


Chris in VA is right
Cal,

You've been expediant and supported the Republofascists at the expense of our Constitution and our nation. Given your hatred of our government, why should you receive or deserve any pension, social security or medicare in the future? What gives YOU the right to be a welfare recipient when you criticize other programs? Why can't YOU pay your own way if you want other to as well. Payouts to you raise our taxes. Pensions and benefits you recieve are a drag on business and make it less competitive. I don't see why YOU are entitled if you criticize others for the same thing.

PROFESSIONAL PARASITES-ALL
Donahue, you are one-of-a-kind numbnut loser! Thomas does not lie. Here is what happens with higher wages.

Your cuddly, ultra, left of left, progressive, liberal, Parasite Kennedy, (D-MA) always screams for higher wages. WHY? This smoke and mirror scam allows the federal government to steal more of the American citizens money.

HOW? The employer raises the price of their widgets to cover the cost of the pay raise. The employee is elevated into a higher tax bracket and their taxes are increased.

WHO? The consumer spends more money for the same widgets and the IRS steals more money from the employer's increased taxes from the price increase of the widgets.

The PROFESSIONAL PARASITES are the only winners in this scam. Anytime the federal government does anything for your vote you will surely LOSE, Donahue.

To: Joel in MN
You said:
"If the socialists can get 51% of "The People" off of the tax rolls, they can then promise tax increases for the rich to pay for more government programs, and the majority of "the people" will vote for the socialists, because they "think" someone else will be punished while they benefit."

Well Joel, What's wrong with that? Why should the middle class bankroll the country while the wealthy ride for free? In case you're not aware, the wealthy use armies of tax accountants to chase down every penny and create tax havens like Trust Funds, Cayman Islands accounts, and offshore business to hide billions from the IRS and let poor folks pick up the tab. Then they receive a huge tax cut under Bush to facilitate their greed and Congress creates a law to "repatriate" essentially legally laundered money back to the US at even lower tax rates. How is that fair? Why should the wealthy be able to evade their social obligation of paying their fair share in taxes and slough it off on people of lesser means?
These same wealthy folks are happily offshoring American's jobs, cutting benefits from business, and using Bankruptcy protections to effectively default on worker's Pensions and steal back workers money. How is that fair? Look at Polaroid and Delta, Enron, earStearns and others. The CEO's walk off with multi-millions and the workers get fleeced. Why should that be tolerated? Since the wealthy don't play fair and get all the perks and benefits why should anyone else play fair?

Pork Is Evil to Whom?
Although, many religious including our foreign enemies regard pork as evil. I must say that this is the only and one item that I must agree with them about. And, I do believe that Americans should take a serious look of how much pork is lying about in the White House for those who have no conscious and could care less about the people who are jobless, homeless and hungry while they vacation, party, and hand out our tax dollars that they stole to their wealthy donors and look the other way while Congress and AIG who took our money entangled themselves with Shariah Law Financing which jeopardizes the welfare and safety of America's freedom and U.S. Constitution in my humble opinion, but then I'm just a average citizen watching the circus go by.

To Hal Donahue
You said:

""...This is a formula for socialism and for whatever political system follows to enforce it, though socialism advances even in our supposed constitutional republic. Anyone who relies less on themselves and more on government will see their freedoms erode. It has always been this way..."

Actually that is a lie. Right now the extremely low wages, high debt and crumbling infrastructure and services steal freedom from us all. When salaries were relatively high and infrastructure and services maintained and expanded like in the 40s, 50s and 60s the country was definately freer. It is conservatism failed philosophy and low wages requiring several jobs to barely survive that steals freedom from all of us."

Let's not forget that Republofascists like Gingrinch and the Conservatives in Congress who hate American workers continually blocked a raise in the minimum wage (even though they vote themselves a cost of living raise almost every year).
These same Conservatives have blocked universal healthcare that saves families money around the world and gives better quality. America has by far the most expensive healthcare system in the world yet it only ranks 37th in quality and access according the WHO.

By not paying a fair wage ($25 per hour) ($50K per year for full time employment), so that citizens can live and pay for their own necessities, Conservatives have created a warped welfare system that robs dignity from workers and makes people not want to work. How can a legal American citizen work for $6 an hour ($240 a week before taxes) and pay for housing, food, and medical care, child care along with getting no respect for their human dignity?
Salary caps of $1 Million maximum wage are needed to reel in excessive corporate greed. A 30 year retroactive tax should be imposed on all estates above $5 million to pay down the deficit that was caused by unnecessary tax cuts for the wealthy since Reagan.

First
Since I have no desire to respond to your drivel, I am left with this suggestion:

Please change your name from "First" to "Last".

Alecto and Judith
I am obviously not anti-women. I would say though that women vote for nanny-state programs in far larger numbers then men.

I believe this is because women want the security of thinking that government will take care of them and also because women are more likely to hear the sob stories masquerading as political debate in this country and respond emotionally.

No I don't believe all women do this, but I think the number is significant enough to help explain the vast expansion of government since women's suffrage.

First if the minimum wage is
25 dollars per hour who pays it? Would that be the consumer who now effectively has the same buying power he had at 6 dollars an hour?

And then there is the requirement that everyone making above the current minimum wage have their wages raised accordingly -- so the 25 dollar an hour employeeow makes what?

Then there is the phenomenon called outsourcing -- wouldn't this lead to more jobs leaving the country?

And better still there are numerous lower wage jobs that will just disappear like cash register clerks, bank tellers, dishwashers, busboys, etc.

First is first
We already know who will be first at the trough dont we First you probably already have your knee pads strapped on you are the most ignorant liberal morron that i have seen on this conservative site. What is the point of your tirades against common sense and morrality anyway. Is it because you just love raising hell or showing off your stupidity? You have obviously lost what few smarts you must have had at some point to even find this site.

Alecto @1039am & chris @2:28pm
Alecto you wrote @10:39am:
"This and the Thomas Sowell article next to ads touting "Free Government Money" and "Grants for Republicans"!"

I do not know what you are getting in your copy of TH but I see no such ads. The only ads I see are for Ann Coulter’s new book.
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chris you wrote @2:28 PM
"Cal, for years you ignored the trough-dwellers raking off billions as "defense" contractors and "advisers" and "corruptos" during the Iraq war.
Why? Because you supported the war.
Clear-eyed Christians are supposed to call out wrongdoing, no matter who's to blame, Cal. But you hedged your bets. Did that Oval Office visit get to you, perhaps?
Where have you been, Cal? Why were your principles on hold until Democrats started getting the spoils?
Bad show, Cal. Your credibility = zilch."

I do not know what columns you have been reading, but I recall Mr. Thomas scolding Republicans over their spending habits many times over the last several years. How is your credibility? What is less than zilch?

Denise, Lulu, and Roland
First should change his name to clueless. LOL.

Others have raised points to First's rants but here is mine. I started in a minimum wage job years ago. Do I still make minimum wage? No. Why? Because of hard work and education I make considerably more now. You are willing to pay someone $25/hr to make hamburgers. How much will you have to charge for a burger? $10, $15, or $20? If you don't like what you are getting paid you have several choices. Educate yourself so that you are more valuable to your employer or go into business yourself. When you own your own business you can make whatever you are willing to put forth the effort for.

Oil - Who has opposed drilling in ANWR, Green River Valley and offshore? Hint: Pelosi, Reed, and Kennedy are the major roadblocks and they belong to the same party. The only Democrats that vote for drilling come from oil drilling states and they are that many of them.

Take off your blinders and watch the Democrats suck the life out of this country.

to LuLu in VA.
Thanks for your response. Not enough room here to expatiate everything so just an abbreviated summary ahead.
*Price controls and Wage controls (reregulation) are now necessary to restore Wage Justice and correct th serial abuses of CEO's, WalMart, Wall Street, Outsourcing, and in general...the legacy of Reagan deregulation and Free-market Capitalists.

1: Everyone pays it. Consumers having 4X the buying power would not mind a slight increase in goods and services.
2:$25 minium wage ($50K per year) and $500 maximum wage ($1 million per year) would allow for variations in wage and the ability to live in exhorbitant luxury and decadence at $1 million a year.
3:Outsourcing is an abusive practice of free-market Conservatives who hate American workers and love slaves and pollution. It should be 100% illegal. Similarly, illegal workers are a result of lax enforcement of existing laws that exist to protect our nation from alien invasion.
4:Businesses would have to pay a fair wage to legal U.S. workers. Businesses already replace workers with mechanization and have for over 150 years since the Industrial Revolution, so worker replacement is not a function of fair wages. Businesses have and will do it anyway and regardless and the reduction of some menial labor is a good idea.

Alecto
I apologize. I began reading a different column and saw one of the ads you referenced on it. You are correct in that this ad and others like it do not belong on a conservative site.

WHO PAYS WHAT?
Currently, the top 10% of wage earners pay a higher percentage of federal taxes than they did with Mr. Clinton's higher tax rate.
Lowering the RATE males it less necessary for the "rich" to hid their income. They will actually want to make MORE, since each dollar earned costs them less (in taxes).

To h2o skier
You said:

"Oil - Who has opposed drilling in ANWR, Green River Valley and offshore? Hint: Pelosi, Reed, and Kennedy are the major roadblocks and they belong to the same party. The only Democrats that vote for drilling come from oil drilling states and they are that many of them."

Following the Conservative model is a very bad idea. It guarantees more pollution, more oil spills, hampers innovation, stalls technology, increases Global Warming, destroys wildlife, and (at best) will only cover 5% when it is ready 10 years from now.
What Conservatives don't realize when they argue these points (in addition to the facts) is that they are just being used as nonthnking robots of industry.
Besides, the way the oil industry works in this nation is that oil companies get to keep all the profits from public land and resources. Remember the Valdez spill and how the president of Exxon/Mobil said the public would have to pay for the spill since it was in public waters? Later Exxon/Mobil cheated the people of Alaska of their fair payment for ruining Price William Sound even though they earn record profits every quarter.
Opening up Anwar for offshore drilling would be a great deal for Exxon/Mobil but a terrible deal for U.S. citizens, and the planet.
H2o skier: think outside the corporate box. Are you a human being or a corporation? There are plenty of alternatives from geothermal to solar to wind,to wave power which are sustainable and clean. Following the old 19th c. path of pollution and inefficiency is just foolish.
Let's not forget that corporations exist to serve people first and foremost.Public Service is always more important than private profits.

Difference betw Republican and Democrat
I used to apply this to congressmen, but perhaps it should apply to governors as well.

Q: What's the difference between a Democrat congressman and a Republican congressman?

A: When the Republican pulls his snout out of the trough and belches, he dabs his mouth with a napkin and says, "Excuse me."

Ditto Cal Thomas--Pigs Awaiting
Anytime that government creates an agency or department to deal with a "perceived" social or other problem, you can rest assured that the "perceived" social or other problem will only worsen. Government agencies and departments take on lives of their own and they have a tendency to grow and grow and grow and of course, as they grow, they hire bigger and bigger staffs, get more office space, and of course, require ever increasing budgets. So, to guarantee that these agencies and departments grow, they have to promote more victimhood and enlist new victims who are "entitled" to the services offered by the agency or department. And, thus, a government agency or department becomes an Empire, and all Empires grow despotic, and never willingly give up their power. This is what has happened in this country. LBJ with his so-called Great Society Programs which began in the 1960's as a so called war on poverty. To date, these worthless programs have squandered a minimum of 8 trillion dollars, and to date, so called people living in poverty has grown exponentially with the amount of money squandered on these worthless programs that have all but destroyed the basic family structure and work ethic in many cultures. People have become accustomed to looking to government for aid from birth to death, with no work in between. And, look at the areas of poverty we have now. Kids killing kids. Neighborhoods infested with drugs and infected with killer diseases such as Aids, Tuberculosis, etc. and what do the Obama type liberals suggest? Even more spending and even more government programs. And the band plays on. Cal is right, Socialist states such as California, Washington state, Illinois, and others are bankrupt because of their own socialist programs, and they are all at the trough of the American Taxpayer to bail them out, and just like the Auto Industries, they do not want to change anything that caused the problems.

First
You are one programmed lefty, a prototypical liberal android. Then again, you are from Taxachussetts.

Global warming, oil spills, - lions and tiger and bears, oh my!

Oil rarely gets spilled when harvested, and when it happens, it gets cleaned up. Stuff happens, big deal.

You might want to give up cooking at home because of the threat of grease fires - no trans-fat grease, of course.

There is no man-made global warming, child.

A 5% increase in oil independence is great! Of course, it will, in the adult world of reality, be a much higher level.

Drilling for oil increases wildlife except in San Fancisco. There, liberals increase it, and the drilling there causes spills that cause AIDS.

Aside from Gomorrah on the Bay, every study has indicated that wildlife has not just thrived, it increased where oil has been harvested.

Aside from your fantasies I've mentioned in this post, the rest are simply wrong and adolescent.

Go find a website for kids like yourself, First. Try the Huffington Post where imaginary tragedies are invented daily. The adults are talking here so go play elsewhere.

Ditt Cal Thomas--Pigs Awaiting (Part 2)
. And, look at the areas of poverty we have now. Kids killing kids. Neighborhoods infested with drugs and infected with killer diseases such as Aids, Tuberculosis, etc. and what do the Obama type liberals suggest? Even more spending and even more government programs. And the band plays on. Cal is right, Socialist states such as California, Washington state, Illinois, and others are bankrupt because of their own socialist programs, and they are all at the trough of the American Taxpayer to bail them out, and just like the Auto Industries, they do not want to change anything that caused the problems. They want to continue business as usual with the taxpayers bailing them out. These so called leaders are insane. There is no such thing as a Free Lunch or A Free Ride. The country is bankrupt, and our enemies are financing our debt and sealing our fates. And, our so called leaders just keep fiddling and making up stories about how the government is going to stimulate the economy by continuing to give money away that they do not have. We are at the mercy of our Lenders. Who are our Lenders who are financing our Socialist Leaders? The Communist Chinese. The Muslims of the Middle East. The Japanese. And other countries who want to see the United States become a toothless and powerless giant, and reduced to third world country status. And, you know what, we are already behing many third world countries in Academics. We are now at #27 in the world in public school academics. Before LBJ began socialization of public education as part of his so-called Great Society Program, we were number 3 in the world in public education. Go figure. Was this an un intended consequence?? Or, was it the plan all along. Krushcev told John Kennedy in about 1961 that communism would destroy America without firing a shot. Maybe Kruschev knew who our leaders were and what they could do with political power.

Ditto Pro From Dover
Liberalism is a mental disorder. Folks of this leaning believe in things such as Free Lunch, and other fantasies. This is called Delusional Thinking. Persons who suffer from Parnoid-Schizophrenia, for example generally have delusional thought patterns. What is so sad in America, is that folks became this way by attending public schools and watching TV and movies. Our schools have dumbed down the population to the lowest commond denominator with Standardized Testing that, as any measurement and evaluations expert knows and have know for many decades, always lowers standards to reach a norm. Our kids have been being dumbed down and brainwashed in public schools now for the past 40 years or so. It all started with LBJ and his so-called Great Society programs when mandated welfare and other socialization practices were begun on a national level with the federal government driving it. Education has gone downhill ever since. As have the countries standards in everything else as well.. Socialism always leads to despostism and tyranny and eventually moral and social decay. We have arrived. You can track SAT scores from the mid 1960's to the present and track the demise of this country, and it is a direct correlation with the Federal Socialization of Public Schools. After the creation of the U.S. Department of Education in 1978, by another Socialist, Jimmy Carter, the education system began a decline that has never been witnessed any place in the world. The communists always start with taking the minds of children. Americans readily put their little kids on busses everyday and send them off to the public indoctrination centers and these parents truly believe that it is a good thing to do. That is the testimony as to how well the dumbing down and brainwashing by government schools with the aid of the MSM and the TV programs have done. It is no wonder that the hotbeds of Communism in the United States has always been in Hollywood.

Never Trust a Marxist/Socialist

Hugo Chavez - darling of Liberals - announced Monday, January 5, 2009 that he was “temporarily” suspending its oil donations for the low-income program based in Massachusetts.

Citgo will yank $100 million in support for the nonprofit Citizens Energy.

Hundreds of thousands of needy Americans in 23 states and on Indian reservations will have to go elsewhere to get heating fuel, because Citizens no longer has the resources, spokesman Joe Kennedy said.

He also announced that 20 employees would be laid off from Citizens Energy, immediately.

Pigs & Mud
B.Hussein played in the mud in Chicago with all his friends. He left the sty and went to Washington. He is finding it hard to wash the mud off . We hear the oinking there every day.

The only difference in Washington is the pen is larger and the hogs are ,too. The stench is worse and the trough is bigger. You can put lipstick on pigs,but they're still pigs. Hey,I think I've heard that one before.

The Andrew Cuomo Legacy

"There are as many starting points for the mortgage meltdown as there are fears about how far it has yet to go, but one decisive point of departure is the final years of the Clinton administration, when a kid from Queens without any real banking or real-estate experience was the only man in Washington with the power to regulate the giants of home finance, the Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC), better known as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Andrew Cuomo, the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history, made a series of decisions between 1997 and 2001 that gave birth to the country's current crisis. He took actions that—in combination with many other factors—helped plunge Fannie and Freddie into the subprime markets without putting in place the means to monitor their increasingly risky investments. He turned the Federal Housing Administration mortgage program into a sweetheart lender with sky-high loan ceilings and no money down, and he legalized what a federal judge has branded "kickbacks" to brokers that have fueled the sale of overpriced and unsupportable loans. Three to four million families are now facing foreclosure, and Cuomo is one of the reasons why."

By Wayne Barrett

http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-08-05/news/how-andrew-cuom o-gave-birth-to-the-crisis-at-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/

First Part 2
:H2o skier: think outside the corporate box. Are you a human being or a corporation? There are plenty of alternatives from geothermal to solar to wind,to wave power which are sustainable and clean. Following the old 19th c. path of pollution and inefficiency is just foolish."

All the "solutions" you list will not produce enough power for our needs. Maybe they will in 50 years but certainly not know. Remember when Carter promised in 10 years to have solar energy produce most of our electricity. How has that worked out?

"Let's not forget that corporations exist to serve people first and foremost.Public Service is always more important than private profits."

Without profits companies fail. Just ask GMC, Chrysler, Ford, Lenman Brothers, etc. You need to become non-delusional to think that the liberals have any answers to our problems.

First Part 1
I know it is useless to try to educate you but I will still try. You state:
"Following the Conservative model is a very bad idea."
Why?

" It guarantees more pollution, more oil spills, hampers innovation, stalls technology, increases Global Warming, destroys wildlife, and (at best) will only cover 5% when it is ready 10 years from now."

Let me straighten you out. More drilling in our country means we wouldn't have to import as much. You site the Exxon/Valdez oil spill as proof. Do you realize that the Valdez was importing oil? The rigs in the Gulf are highly valued by fisherman because they act as artificial reefs. The waters below the rigs are teeming with wildlife. How do I know this? I have been to the rigs diving and have seen the wildlife with my own eyes. The recent drop in oil demand has only been 3% worldwide. What has happened to the price? Hint: $140 summer - $35 a few ago before the ME crisis started. There is no Global Warming. It is all a lie. For the last ten years the global temperatures have been dropping. At one point in the history of the earth it was 5 degrees warmer than it is today and there were no SUVs at that time.


First Part 3

"What Conservatives don't realize when they argue these points (in addition to the facts) is that they are just being used as nonthnking robots of industry.
Besides, the way the oil industry works in this nation is that oil companies get to keep all the profits from public land and resources."

Wrong again. The oil companies pay royalities to the government. Also, the oil companies pay good wages to its workers which results in even more taxes for the government.

"Opening up Anwar for offshore drilling would be a great deal for Exxon/Mobil but a terrible deal for U.S. citizens, and the planet."

Why? More government revenue, more people employed, more home produced energy, less reliance on the Middle East, the oil companies in this country have a better record of protecting the planet than any other on the planet.


Oopps
now - know

I know the difference and will now correct it. :)

First/Last/Clueless
Please name the last oil spill from production. Hint: It was about 40 years ago.

We have a "One Drop Rule", which means that we have to alert the USCG and MMS immediately. And, the MMS (a branch of the federal government) collects 16.66667% of every cf and barrel of oil produced, which is BEFORE they slap taxes and fees on EVERY energy source.

You want us to stop producing O&G now? FINE.

Producers, like myself, will shut-in all wells tomorrow. Good luck riding your bike and freezing your arse off because alternatives are not available on a level to prime the economic pump tomorrow! In the meantime, don't use fires for heat because they contribute to global warming/climate change/global cooling!

Grow a pair and get a brain transplant ASAP!

That
FromTheTop1:

Here is what happens with higher wages...HOW? The employer raises the price of their widgets to cover the cost of the pay raise. The employee is elevated into a higher tax bracket and their taxes are increased.

Yeah, I'm suer most empluoyees want to pass up on a higher salary because they will pay more taxes. Very logical.
BTW, why is there a pictue of Sarcozy picking his nose next to this article? Just don't ssee the cooncetion.

How silly!
FromTheTop1: "Here is what happens with higher wages.... The employee is elevated into a higher tax bracket and their taxes are increased."

Yeah. I'm sure most employees don't want higher salaries because it will put them in a higher tax bracket. Very logical, that.

BTW, why is there a picture of Sarcozy picking his nose with this article? I don't see the connection.

sorry for the repeat....
I dropped my keyboard whilst typing the first one.

Caligula
Don't laugh but I know someone who quit their job because they got a raise and would have to pay more taxes. Talk about stupid. I would gladly pay $1 million a year in taxes if I had the income that went with it.

I wonder if politicians
realize how dumb they are and how much they're screwing up this country

Eric
Good question. Personally I do not think that they care. The priorities of most politicians seems to go in this order:

1. ME *get themselves elected/reelected
2. My party *increase their party's influence
3. (or even later) My country. *only after the more important things are met do they then begin to think about the country.

Everyone, please let me know if you agree.

13Bravo
Well and simply said, but the libtards still won't get it!

MickeyG
Good morning and thank you. I suspect that the liberals not only won't get it; they don't want it. Truth to a liberal is like sunlight to a vampire.

Dependency?
"If this growing dependence on ever more costly and overreaching government continues..."

No one is dependent on government, by much. Government is itself dependent on the private sector to create the wealth which it taxes. The irony is that while the government is a dependent enterprise, it's thrust under Democrat and Republican alike is to destroy the private sector, through increasing welfare and regulation, and thereby shrink the amount of taxes taken. Precisely what we've seen the last six years under Bush and what we'll continue to see under Obama.

Yesterday's Earmarks - Now Stimulus
Cal is right - infrastructure is a local issue. By pretending that the US government has enough money to federalise it (it does not), we have suckered local officials into canceling spending awaiting the BIG BAILOUT. It won't come. 99% of all water infrastructure spending has been local in the past. Where does the Federal government think it will get the money to start paying for that? By a Federal tax on our water bills? What is happening is the talk of the stimulus bill has stopped all municipal spending, pulling 10-20% of capital spending from the economy. Tragic that the guys in DC just don't get it.

Earmarks are UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
The criminals in DC have taken the Constitutional phrase "for the general welfare" to completely unintended extremes to justify earmarks for their districts. Earmarks for their districts are not defined as for the national(general) welfare. It is the responsibility of the States to provide for their States' needs - NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT! Again, this is the kind of INSANITY you get when the two APOSTATE parties in DC choose deliberately and unscrupulously to defy the Constitution for YEARS in the name of political gain!!!
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