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Thursday, June 12, 2008
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama Is No Joshua
by Cal Thomas
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Barack Obama's presidential campaign plans to strike at the heart of the Republican base by attempting to woo Evangelical Christians and Roman Catholics to his side.

The Christian Broadcasting Network's David Brody first broke the story on his blog "The Brody File." Obama's campaign for the conservative Christian vote, which has largely gone to the Republican presidential candidate in recent elections, has been dubbed the "Joshua Generation Project." Joshua, Moses' successor, led the Israelites into the Promised Land. It wasn't the group that fled Egypt in the Exodus, though. They died in the wilderness, lacking faith in God's promise. It was the next generation that Joshua led into Canaan. Apparently, if we have enough faith in Obama, he will lead us all into a new America, but if we vote for John McCain, we will demonstrate a lack of faith (in Obama) and die in the political badlands.

Obama is better at biblical language and imagery than any Democrat in modern times. He certainly beats Howard Dean, now the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, who once offered Job as his favorite New Testament book. This is cynical manipulation of the devout and it is no better when Democrats do it than when Republicans use religious language for partisan advantage.

Obama has declared himself a committed Christian. He can call himself anything he likes, but there are certain markers among the evangelicals he is courting that one must meet in order to qualify for that label.

Some insight into Obama's "Christianity" comes from an interview he gave in 2004 to Chicago Sun-Times religion editor Cathleen Falsani for her book, "The God Factor: Inside the Spiritual Lives of Public People."

"I'm rooted in the Christian tradition," said Obama. He then adds something most Christians will see as universalism: "I believe there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."

Falsani correctly brings up John 14:6 (and how many journalists would know such a verse, much less ask a question based on it?) in which Jesus says of Himself, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That sounds exclusive, but Obama says it depends on how this verse is heard. According to Falsani, Obama thinks that "all people of faith - Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone - know the same God." (Her words.)

Evangelicals and serious Catholics might ask if this is so, why did Jesus waste His time coming to Earth, suffering pain, rejection and crucifixion? If there are many ways to God, He might have sent down a spiritual version of table manners and avoided the rest.

Here's Obama telling Falsani, "The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that if people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they're going to hell." Falsani adds, "Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell. But he's not sure he'll be going to heaven, either." Again, that is contrary to what Evangelicals and most Catholics believe.

Here's Obama again: "I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I've been a good father to them, and I see that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they're kind people and that they're honest people, and they're curious people, that's a little piece of heaven."

Any first-year seminary student could deconstruct such "works salvation" and wishful thinking. Obama either hasn't read the Bible, or if he has, doesn't believe it if he embraces such thin theological wisps.

Obama can call himself anything he likes, but there is a clear requirement for one to qualify as a Christian and Obama doesn't meet that requirement. One cannot deny central tenets of the Christian faith, including the deity and uniqueness of Christ as the sole mediator between God and Man and be a Christian. Such people do have a label applied to them in Scripture. They are called "false prophets."

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christian, yea sure!
obama is no christian, he is muslim................ of course he will tell us different, he will say anything to get to run our country into the hole, and it will be d-- deep! one we will never, ever get out! this will not be AMERICA anymore!

This Is Just One More Area...
...where Barack is huffing and puffing and pontificating--and has no clue. He is one big blow-hard on nearly every subject.

Maybe the sermons on the centrality of Christ were given on the days Barry missed church. Or maybe Dr. Wright never got around to talking about such an extraneous doctrine--there was so much to say about liberation theology and all.

The thing about Barack is he doesn't seem to know he doesn't know. His arrogance and ignorance are stunning. Everytime he opens his mouth he reveals his youth and immaturity.

a call to arms?
Does Obama consider me a Canaanite? Will he lead his followers to forcefully take my property and claim it for his tribe? Will he kill all our women and children, and burn our houses to the ground?

I am aware of the theological interpretations of "crossing the Jordan," but even a cursory reading of Exodus would suggest that Joshua was first and foremost a great (and ruthless) military conquerer.

Let Obama cross some other river. Let him conquer some other religion. We Christians have read the Bible, and we know what happens to Joshua's "opponents".

Revelation
Cal,
Good article. I agree that he is no "Joshua".
He might just be refered to in the Revelation of John however.

Obama’s faith not Biblically based

Cal Thomas’ assessment is correct. For those who will admonish us not to judge, this isn’t a matter of judging a neighbor. It’s the decision on who will lead this nation. Barack Obama is so spiritually shallow and mistaken on such critical matters that he will undoubtedly promote policies equally shallow.

Cal Thomas writes here that Obama’s manipulation of Biblical imagery is “cynical manipulation of the devout.” That’s exactly what I thought when Obama was about to go into the South Carolina primary. At that time he created a brochure calling himself “a committed Christian.” It was clear to me he was trying to gain the vote of African-American believers, many of whom are rooted in the Baptist faith.

Seven years after Obama’s claim of salvation in 1988, he published his book ‘Dreams From My Father” in 1995, where he wrote “g—d----“ in a half dozen places. Some of the cursing God was to repeat what others had said. At least one instance was Obama’s own take on things. Someone who loves the Lord would not publish words that are clearly against God’s basic Ten Commandments.

Here’s what I determined myself after reading the same newspaper interview: Obama calls himself “a committed Christian” yet his version of Christianity isn’t Biblically based. In a newspaper interview, he said he doesn’t believe in eternal judgment (if there were no eternal judgment for sin, Jesus Christ wouldn’t have had to come down to earth), and he doesn’t know if he’s going to heaven. Obama said he doesn’t believe Jesus’ words in John 14:6 where Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me.”

Last year the highly esteemed Rev. D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries closed his sermon on John 14:1-7 with this: “And let me add this. If you go out of here saying you don’t like that text (John 14:6), that is your privilege. But do not call yourself a Christian. You are calling Christ a liar.”

It is actually very simple
It is actually very simple. He is not a Christian and he does not believe in Christ as his personal savior per his responses in this article. If you do not believe that you can only be saved by believing in Christ - then by definition you are not a Christian..... I think Mr. Obama should have attending a church where the basics of Christianity were taught instead of black racism and hate for the USA

Christian or not doesn't matter
I would not presume to know or attempt to judge whether Obama is a Christian or not. I can only control the way that I act and that includes the way I vote. I cannot vote for that man, Obama, due to his record on the most extreme vile form of abortion: partial birth abortion and the obviously deleterious effects of his potential judicial appointments. I cannot vote for him due to his extreme socialist positions knowing that socialism destroys free enterprise and democracy and the ability of people to rise above their circumstances through hard work. I cannot vote for a man who cynically stands up in front of people and dupes them with empty lying platitudes about hope and change when the only changes he calls for are a continuation of the disasterous failed policies of the socialist left. I will not vote for a man who calls for the theft of value from my pension fund through a misguided and deceptively named "windfall profits tax" on oil companies invested in by my pension. There are many more reasons to not vote for Obama but any one of the above by itself will suffice.

He is worse than Not Christian
I too believe he just might be 'referred to in the Revelation of John however.' He does have some power to mislead many. When those who do not know their Bible tell us 'Do no Judge' we need to remind them 'by his works you will know them'.
Obama thinks that "all people of faith - Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone - know the same God." There you have the denial of Christ and by his own words we know him. No, the Senator is not a Christian. Personally I believe his sympathies are an odd mix of Marxism and Islam.

Sounds like Oprah
It is all so amazing how any christian/catholic could even consider voting for this man.
He is definitely not a christian based on the remarks made in the interview. It is no wonder he went to that building named Trinity for 20 years. I compare him to Oprah because her take on reaching God sounds the same and it's not through Jesus Christ. I pray for the Obamas and also pray that he isn't elected.

Cal's litmus test for presidents.
There may be justified reasons for not voting for Obama.

But I would hope a Cal Thomas-inspired litmus test on what constitutes a Christian is not one of them.

My problem with Obama has to do with his general mindset, as for instance when he made those incredible observations at a San Francisco event where he opined that other nations may not be OK with decisions Americans make on suvs, or how much Americans eat, or at what temperature Americans set their thermostats.

Earth to Obama: I don't give a damn what other nations think about those issues.

It ain't any of their business.

And for YOU, Obama, to think it is their business, is very troubling.

Cal has a problem with a "Christian" Obama.

But Cal has no problem with a "Christian" George W. Bush, whose decision on Iraq has caused great persecution of the tiny Christian community there, forcing what few remain to flee for their lives from the practitioners of the religion Bush so charitibly describes as that "great and peaceful religion of Islam".

Even Pope Benedict has voiced his concern on plight of Iraq's beleaguered Chistians.

"Google" this subject.

It might educate some of you.

Not much impressed with Cal here.

A new "Christianity"
People with good sense and rooted in Biblical Christianity wonder how ANYONE could vote for this imposter(certain AN antichrist, maybe not the antichrist). But talk to just a few people, even in today's churches, and you will definitely realize that new age philosophy and universalism has crept into and is slinking around the pewless auditoriums. No one wants to appear judgmental, so universalism makes them seem tolerant towards people of other beliefs. Cowards can't stand up for what they believe. One doesn't have to wonder why Islam is growing so quickly. John Lennon once said"Woman is the N____r of the world." Now its the Christian. New Age thought fits right into this universalism. People have these mystical made up ideas about the characteristics of God. If it sounds good and "spiritual", its accepted, even though it's made up. This new "spirituality" is the reason why people accept Obama. He is charismatic and fools the already indoctrinated robots of the New World system. He speaks all the right words. Some of us see through him. He has( or pretends to have) a form of spirituality, but its not Biblical. Jesus had John the Baptist to herald his coming. I wonder sometimes about all the natural disasters we have been experiencing in the last few years. Have they been heralding anything? Is God trying to get our attention?

stefano
Great post! I couldn't agree with you more. I am a Christian, and I wouldn't presume to say whether Obama is or is not. However, for me, it comes down to his behaviors, his writings, and his beliefs that concern me.

1. Church. Obama's attendance at Trinity under the spiritual guidance of Jeremiah Wright is a huge concern for me. As a committed Christian, if my pastor ranted from the pulpit with hate-filled speech, and preached Black Liberation Theology, and clearly communicated messages endorsing or insulting a political candidate, I would run away to the nearest Bible believing church. Whenever my pastor gives messages from the pulpit, he challenges us to go to the Scriptures and read for myself the passages he preached on that day. Obama chose to sit there for 20+ years. How does Obama square the questionable statements made by Jeremiah Wright over 20+ years with the Scriptures?

2. Abortion. Obama supports unconditionally the "right" of any woman to terminate the life of her child up to and including the moment of imminent birth. He even supports the horrific death of infants born alive after a failed abortion attempt. See Jill Stanek's testimony at http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/stanek.html
Abortion is clearly NOT sanctioned by God.

3. Socialism. Obama wants to take more from my earnings thru taxes, to give to those who did not earn it. The Scriptures tell me that if a man will not work, he shall not eat.

Again, thanks for your post.

Universalism +
T.S. wrote: "..will see as universalism.." and quoted Obamamama: "I believe there are many paths to the same place,..." This also sounds like the Democrats version of our Constitution -- progressive, or just continue to make it up, depending on the situation.

Obama is not a Muslim
He does not begin to follow that very restrictive faith.

Christianity is much more tolerant, yet he does not follow that either. To be a Christian, one must follow Christ's teachings: to espouse love, tolerance, truth, trustworthiness, forgiveness and the sanctity of life.

So what the heck can a person be who has no religious standards and no moral compass - but only talks the good talk?

I give him a "one" for truth and trustworthiness.
I give him a "ten" for dangerous. Elect him and this country may never recover.

Something missed
While I agree with Cal Thomas, I would expect one of the few theologically and biblically literate columnists out there to have noticed some other important things.

Obama and the "Christianity" of much of our political establishment (and Obama is part of that establishment) represent a tradition of theological liberalism. This liberalism is essentially the repristination of 4th century Pelagianism, which held that people are, in and of themselves, capable of working out their own salvation (no divine grace willing and working in the objects of God's redeeming love). It has to publicly reject the exclusive claims of Christ because the American man-in-the-street, who is steeped in this modern Pelagianism and expects "organized religion" to reflect it, wants heaven to be something like an American middle class suburb.

As a pro-life Christian of the Reformed ("Calvinist") persuasion, I cannot share Obama's vision either of this world or the next. But he, Hillary, McCain, and all the rest of the poor, blinded crew now leading our country need our prayers. I've been reading Paul, and I guess it shows.

Good Article Cal Thomas
If there are many ways to God, then that God should have the same 'nature' and 'attributes'.

A simple cursory examination of religions exhibits what scripture declares, that there are many 'gods' in this world but there is only one true God.

The ten commandments start with 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

Jesus declared that "There is only One God".

Isaiah the prophet declared "...I am the Alpha and Omega, no God was formed before me nor shall there be one after me, I am the beginning and the end..."

Is not voting a vote for Obama?
Obama may have already gotten the vote of this evangelical Christian. I don't know - I can't figure it out. If I stay at home on election day, is that the same as voting FOR Obama, or is that only half a vote, because if I DO somehow manage to force myself to participate in this choice between the Devil and the deep blue sea, I'll hold my nose, rationize with my conscience and vote for McCain.

If the Obama campaign really is going after Evangelical and Catholic votes, there can be only one reason - they believe they can GET them! In a normal year, such an attempt would be foolish at best, but when the choice is between a flaming liberal and a flaming RINO, anything is possible. Look out your window because you may just see a chimp riding a pony or the world turned upside down.

Jesus and John 14:6
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

No man means - no one can know the one true God
unless they are a believer in Jesus Christ.

I am a recovering Humanist/Atheist and Jesus is my Lord and Saviour - I have told my family and all who will listen - if you have a problem with what Jesus said take it up with him - I am just repeating his words.

When I was 32 years old God touched my life without my permission or my asking him to. My life was changed from one of total unbelief to a simple belief in Jesus.

Many generations of my ancestors were Humanist/Atheists and saw any religion as simply superstitious nonsense as did I. My conversion was not intellectual but spiritual and I am still trying to find why he chose me.

I would have and did deny any Christians life changing experience but cannot deny my own experience.

He is Risen!




False Prophet
Obama claims to have all the right answers and if we will only elect him to president he will lead us to the promised land.
Excuse me, but we already had the promised land. Obama's socialists, humanist beliefs are what has lead our nation to where it is now. More taxes on the "evil rich", government control of everything, taking private property for the common good, changing our laws to match those of Europe and appeasing our critics and enemies have almost ruined what our significantly wiser founding fathers created. I may not be a cheerleader for McCain, but Obama is about the closest thing there is to the anti-christ without being it. He fits description of the anti-christ in Revelations. Wake up people, even putting religion aside, his political beliefs are the furthest left of any elected official. More left (socialist, marxist) is definitely NOT a change we can live with.

Obama---many paths to the same place
Any Christian that votes for Obama doesn't believe in God's teachings.

Thou shall not kill that means abortion.

Any Preacher that backs Obama isn't preaching for God, they are preaching for their own prosperity and should have their tax exempt pulled. I feel sorry for them on judgment day. There is a Godly man running and it is ALAN KEYES.

Cal the Non-Catholic
Cal, your article certainly allows for an important discussion on "The Messiah's" presidential run. Personally, I'm in agreement with much of what's written above, considering Obama to be a tool of the far left that happens to be godless in essence. And the far left is best explained in the words of St. Jerome,: "Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ." When politics and secularism become false gods that are worshipped, like it seems to me has happened to the Democratic Party, then one can only be ignorant of Scripute and Christ. But at the same time Cal misrepresents the Catholic faith in a serious way. For "serious Catholics," (such as Pope Benedict XVI), Scripture is not the only source of Divine Revelation. Sacred Tradition ranks right up there with it (2 Thes:2:15, as one of numerous examples in Scripture itself). So, for one to understand accurately what it means to be a "serious Catholic" in reference to other religions, then one must also read the ecumenical documents that speak on this issue, beginning with Nostra aetate (The Relations of the Church to Non-Christian Religions). My purpose here is only to correct Cal Thomas' mistake on what it means to be a "serious Catholic." Based on this article, his take on those words are flawed.

For K.G.
Didn't Reagan say something about liberals like that? The trouble with liberals is that they know so much that isn't so. Obama, step up and get your prize.
P.S. I think the man is the Anti-Christ.

Obama can't pick reasonanble
friends and supporters, he surely can't predict and *save* the US from anything.

His Christianity is a radical black theology that teaches Christ was black, he came to earth to save blacks, and the devil created white people.

His minister and spiritual adviser of TWO DECADES preached anti-Amercianism, racial hatred, and lies about Christianity as it is expressed in the New Testament.

Obama was registered as a Muslim in grade school in Indonesia. He didn't *discover* Christianity until he was 26. What was he all those years inbetween 6 and 26?

He can't pick friends and be loyal to them, a very anti-Christian trait.
In one month, he has dumped his church and minister,
Bill Ayer and Bernadette Dohrn who helped start his political career,
Tony Rezko who is the reason the Obama's have their $million+ house,
and now Jim Johnson who was finding a veep for Obama for mortagage and financial shenanigans while middle class homeowners are suffering mortgage cises.

Obama is not traditionally Christian, has bad personal judgment, doesn't belong running for national office, and should not be elected.

Those who oppose him should send money and support to McCain and and the RNC or they could end up with Obama as pres.

And another thing...
Animist? Plants have souls? I guess he believes the yahoos who recently announced that plants have souls. If animals and plants have souls, I guess we normal people will have to starve to death which will make Greenpeace happy since it announced that the planet would be much better off if the human race was extinct. So, Oblama includes animists with Christians? Why didn't he included Satanists? They believe in a .....power. They think they're going somewhere when they die.

Liberation Theology
The best thing that Christians can do is inform themselves about liberation theology, which is the basis for Obamas church. It starts by twisting the beatitude - blessed are the poor in spirit to blessed are the poor. Now you have moved from salvation to class struggle. Of course he is not a Christian, he is a Marxist. Catholics have had to confront this movement in Latin America and should be better informed. Pope John Paul cleaned up the movement in Latin America and Pope Benedict has also made strong statements about this movement.
I'm not sure - but I think it is a heresy and can get you excommunicated (watch out Father Pfelger).

ANTI CHRIST RING ANY ALARM BELLS?
It is just amazing to me that all the Evangelical Christians and Roman Catholics or any other religion that reads the bible and “BELEAVES” in the word that is printed with in its covers, fails to know of what the book of Revelation states. Even after such statements as this: “Falsani correctly brings up John 14:6 (and how many journalists would know such a verse, much less ask a question based on it?) in which Jesus says of Himself, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That sounds exclusive, but Obama says it depends on how this verse is heard.”..... OBAMA HAS CHANGED AND NEEDS A CHANCE TO PROVE IT? WHATS THAT YOU SAY? ANTI CHRIST RING ANY ALARM BELLS?

The Bible says beware however a lot of people no longer believe as science says this could not have happened this way. The people just go through the motions to look the religious part because something stinks about this choice and no one is jumping up and down about what Revelation says…….. So, you do not believe in the Bible as you all say you do….

Obama Belongs to the Church of...
...Oprah. We are all God's children so we can do anything we want. believe anything we want as long as "we try to be good parents" or do good in some way. There is no hell, no law, no truth.

It's basic modern-day liberalism. The prior popes renounced liberation theology which is a cynical combination of scripture and Marxism (since Latin American Catholics were never going to accept Soviet, godless Communism.

Jeremiah Wright and Father Pfleger are the same: the doctrines of men mingled with scripture to make their rants sound true. Barack uses scripture as yet another way to deceive folks into voting for him.

At every turn this man reeks of hypocrisy and illusion. Even his blackness is something of a connoction. Records show his father is only minimally black: mostly African Arab Muslim.

At some point the racially and culturally confused Barack "decided" to be black. He attended Wright's church for political reasons. He is black for poltical reasons. He is Christian for polical reasons. He quotes scripture for political reasons.

I wonder if people who adore him will see that they've been duped.

Not surprising, and it won't work
Obama's attempt to reach to the Evangelical Christians and Catholics smacks of arrogance. What he seems to miss is that most of the Evangelical and Conservative Catholic voters are willing to vote strongly on issues. Clearly, Obama's stand on abortion alone will drive off most of the Evangelical vote.

But clearly people that Evangelicals would call heretics might just get their vote, if they're OK on the issues. Many voted for Mitt Romney in the primaries, and yet he is LDS, which most Evangelicals (especially if they know their theology) would call heresy. Point is that Romney was at least appealing to the Evangleicals key issues.

So, I think it'll be interesting to watch, but I think we'll find that Barak Obama has a long way to go to begin to satisfy Evangelicals and Conservative Catholics enough to vote for him... and if he did enough, he'd lose the Liberal Democrat vote in the process.

I Really Hate Cal Thomas' Columns
But in this case I have to admit he's correct in criticizing Obama's theology. He just isn't as good as pretending to be a Christian as some Republicans are.

Christian
You do not get to Heaven thru good works.

You get there by believing that Jesus is the son of God.

Thank you for a thought provoking article.

Democrats and Christianity
Obama is just the extreme example of the Demokratic party. The party just announced their 100% support of the radical homosexual agenda, including "gay marriage" (an oxymoron). Democrats have always been 100% pro abortion at any part of the baby's life, and they have always been socialist to the point of Marxism. They have also promoted sexual immorality in school systems by handing out condoms and teaching fornication as right and proper. So with these sorts of things as their party platform, how can any committed Christian vote for any Demokrat? Republicans are bad enough, but at least their party platform doesn't call for all this immorality.

On the nail
Oblahma is more like an Achan than a Joshua!

OBAMA'S "CHURCH"
I don't see anyone stating that Obama believes he is a Christian because he belongs to the United Church of "Christ". You see, UCC is not a Christian church anymore. They have stolen the Congregational (early Puritan) heritage as their own. The UCC was formed in 1957 of several denominations, but have become far -left liberal, taking up political causes, they supported Yassar Arafat, and denounced and hates Israel. They support Naim Ateek, founder of SABEEL, a so-called "peace" group that calls for peace in the MIddle East but at the destruction of Israel. Sound familiar? And you wonder why Obama is anxious to talk to the dictator of Iran? What he said at the Israel-American conference last week were all lies. He will say anything to anyone to get their vote. Also, the UCC supports and celebrates the FALN terrorists ... check out http://www.ucctruths.com

Obama is no Christian, because he belongs to the United Church of "Christ" ummm.... I mean Satan. His minister, Jeremiah Wright is proof of that.

The Only Belief...
The only belief nobama has is his ability to make everyone believe in what he's saying.

What I can't believe is that our standards have gone so low. I pray that these grassroot organizations can help us get our country back.

http://justsaynodeal.com/

http://blog.pumapac.org/

Don't Drink The Kool-Aid
Sounds like Jim Jones and the Guyana tradegy all over.

http://justsaynodeal.com/

http://blog.pumapac.org/

It would indeed
be surprising to find evangelical christians embracing Obama. I cannot see any reason why they would support him. But as for Joshua, presumably he was not a christian either.

yet again
it has been happening for a while now, and obama is the poster child. the "wrong is ok, and right is wrong" movement. this guy is an idiot and has bought into the brain washing that evangelicals are unintelligent uneducated people. believers see through this with no effort. he is the epitome of all that is wrong with america's new world view.

Retired Geek
I am convinced by you testimony that you are a Biblical Christian. I am equally convinced by Mr. Obama's "testimony" that he does not even know what a Christian is according to the Bible. I agree with the poster who stated the democrats are not as good as republicans in "God speak." I am preaching on John 14:1-14 on the 22nd. Thank you Cal for the excellent illustration you have given, I promise to give you and Town Hall credit.

Expose the darkness
Cal

Well written and a perfect summary of the "faith" of Obama. The embarrassment of Rev. Wright was bested by Obama's pew sitting for 20 years. But all of that is trumped by Obamas ignorance of real Christianity.

This shows his faith is for show only, a modern day Pharisee who uses faith for political expediency.

Cal -- how about a similiar article on McCain, who may be just as guilty of ignorance. But at least he doesnt pretend to know so much about the faith he doesnt have.

Check out my blog about the interesection of faith and life at http://www.redletterbelievers.blogspot.com.

it's not about politics. Its not about influence. Its about living out the words of Christ in our everyday life.

Obama is not the Antichrist.
Anyone who delves deeply into eschatology can see that Obama is not the Antichrist. He may, however, very well be the prophet of the Antichrist. What a perfect way for a man to gain the power to speak with the authority of the Beast (Rev.13:11-18)than to control the sole remaining superpower. He has the power to take out our offensive capabilities, and he has already made speeches to the effect that he would disarm us. He would be in a great position to grease the way to power for the Antichrist.

When Obama
tucks his daughters in at night he feels he is transferring to them the values he learned from his mother.

Isn't she an atheist? Or at least an agnostic?

Obama
is whatever you want him to be.
Anyone seen the Obama family photos in Kenya? Yikes!

Observe1234 (11:19 am)
It would absolutely not be surprising to find "Evangelical" Christians embracing Obama. There are many self styled evangelicals who have supported Democrats for years even with a plank of their platform being the institutionalization of abortion(described in the Bible as Baal worship. The sad fact is that many so-called Christians will be decieved in the Last Days (see Matt.7:22). The only way to keep the scales from falling over your eyes, so to speak, is to keep them trained on God's Word, the Bible. If you study and hide God's Word in your heart, you cannot be led astray.

Well, rjas2330
I am surprised to hear people could be so confused, but maybe you are right.

Observe1234
I don't know the accuracy of this poll, but I have heard that 42% of self-professed Evangelical Christians plan to vote for Obama.

Mecca, East of Eden!!
Get ready to bow to the east. I see a great fortune to be made at religeous stores, in prayer caps and prayer rugs!

Obama and the 3:00 am Appeasement call
"You have reached the command office of the Commander in Chief of Appeasements, hundreds of operators are busy at this time and your call will be handled as soon as possible; remember your call will not be monitored for security purposes."

press [1] If you need an Appeasement form to file for a new Appeasement.

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b hussein as messiah
it seems that he accepts the msm notion that he is the savior come to save the world. When he says that in the future people will back on his election as some sign that a new beginning has occurred with his election that is more than just presumtuous.

It seems that in his search for an identity he remains confused as to who is and exactly what it is he is running for. Americans will be headed to the polls to elect a president not a messiah.

But which is it. Exactly who is running to represent. Is he the dims new voice from the wilderness. Or is he the hip hop candidate with his gestures. Or is he the patriot that stands in front of flags when his patriotism is questioned. Or is he the incessant whiner who doesn't like to answer questions concerning his friends, associates or viewpoint'

Perhaps he can explain himself by Nov. Although I doubt he will discovered who he is and what he truly stands for by that time

Univeralist Obama
Stunning and really creepy. God separates the wheat from the chaff and used a news reporter. The chaff God throws into the fire to be burned.

Beware
of false prophets which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree brind forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth no forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

What are BHO's fruits, answer that and you will know all you need to know about his committment to Christ, which is what "committed Christian" means.

Whoops
forgot chapter and verse Matthew 7:15-20

It's really sad, Obama and his cynical advisors
haven't a clue about Christian commitment.
His only idea about Christianity is what is spewed from his church.

The Christian Seniors Newsletter reports that
he has also cited the Sermon on the Mount to justify same sex marriage.

Retired Geek, nice testimony. My hubby and I
were kids, but in denominational churches that don't teach personal relationship with Christ.
Took us til our mid thirties to really get serious, I think mainly because we were still
in the denomination. We got too hungry for more and were kindly invited to leave, went to a Bible teaching evangelical church and never looked back. but are thankful for the orthodox
grounding we got through our respective
catechisms, it's kept us level.

Glenn Chatfield
"Democrats have always been 100% pro abortion at any part of the baby's life, and they have always been socialist to the point of Marxism. They have also promoted sexual immorality in school systems by handing out condoms and teaching fornication as right and proper."

Not to be picky but the Democrats haven't always been behind those positions. While some on the far left embrace Marxism, the leftist Democrats are more better characterized as embracing Socialism. The change toward socialism began with FDR's New Deal and matured in LBJ's Great Society. The other moral stances you are characterizing them as embracing grew out of the 60s & 70s when the liberals took over control of the Democrat Party. While there are blue dog Democrats, there aren't enough of them to make any real difference.

the new Messiah
He's the Anti-Christ

Clay
The Democrat platform codifies the protection of abortion and if you think when you tell your Judge, "yeah, but I was a Blue Dog." that will matter, I pity your soul.

Abortion is institutionalized murder, and Baal worship. God is very clear about His feelings of infanticide. We are to protect the innocent. The Democrat party stands for rejection of Jesus, normalization of homosexuality, and abrtion, not to mention it's role as champion of criminals at the expense of the victims (see the recent Supreme Court travesty giving blood thirsty murderers civil rights that even our military men don't have. The Democrat party is anti-Christian and anti-Christ.

So you just keep on believing your vote for "Blue Dogs" insulates you from God's wrath. You are sadly deluding yourself.

Sorry...
Darn spell check!

Voting against Bush...the MSNBC/
Wall street journal poll which is backed up by Gallop says that 50 percent of the Obama vote is "pro Obama"...41 yes 41 percent of the Obama vote is "anti Bush" and only 7 percent is anti McCain.

what a drag Bush is on the ticket.

Robert

rjas2330
writes, "He would be in a great position to grease the way to power for the Antichrist."

Interesting. I could even hazard a guess as to what the Muslims would call him. The twelfth imam? It would get very very tense very fast if the so called twelfth imam were to make his appearance during an Obama administration. What else would a Christian call the head of a great and abominable church opposed to the church of Jesus Christ but, the Antichrist. Ya got the Jews back in their homeland, Iran gaining nukes, biblical prophecies of fire and brimstone at the end, the majority of the last free Christian nation pretty much turned away from Christ, who knows.

I don't want to add any fuel to such speculation, we might be around a few hundred more years, you never know. Just in case, I am glad I am ready. He is indeed risen and sits at the right hand of the Father awaiting his cue.

rjas2330

Who said I was a blue dog Democrat? I am not. I am politically a conservative who votes Republican, not because I agree with Republicans in a partisan kind of way, but because:

1. We are a two party nation (Ross Perot proved that)

2. The Republican party is the only one that might even come close to my conservative values. (The liberal dominated Democratic Party sure won't!)

Also, FYI I am against abortion and I am a Christian.

What a disgraceful Article
I wonder whom among you cleave most closely to the words of Christ and the bible. Attempting to judge a man's Christianity - when you represent the party of war and death, is not only hypocritical, but disgusting. by what authority does a mere journalist - and Thomas has been only a cheap scribe, judge the authenticity of another man's devotion - while so many have questioned HIS motives and the quality of HIS piety.
I really hope the right wing keeps piling on like this - the poll gap between McCain and Obama seems to be growing - and it seems to me that one of the reasons Obama has managed this far, is not in spite of the right wing attacks - but because of them. Americans don't take well to this kind of underhanded treatment - just HOW do you suppose Hillary Clinton - despised by so many, became a sympathetic figure? Americans won't like this kind of reasoning at all. Of course, Americans don't particularly like Republicans - particularly the likes of the detestable Cal Thomas...

Obama and Apologists
Obama is handicapped by a type of serious mental disorder called a "psychosis" or Liberalism in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue.

Those who are afflicted with Liberalism have problems with recollections of their mis-deeds and total recall with mis-deeds of opposers.

Truth relativism increases proportionately when facts are not congruent with their statements.

Rationalizations increase dramatically when behaviour is spotlighted.

Ambguity becomes straightforward answers.

Opinons become knowledge and facts become appraisels formed in the mind.

Dysfunctional behaviour is normal and normal behaviour is dysfunctional.

Deviate behaviour is normal and normal behaviour is unenlightened.

Empathy for criminals proportionately increases while sympathy for the criminals victim decreases.

Sins of the guilty should be paid for by the innocent.

Responsiblity of ones actions and decisions are clearly the fault of others.

"Please relax," says Obama, like a steward in an airliner with only one wing and two engines, one of which is on fire, "you are perfectly safe in my hands

Obama -> Cult
Obama in his self assumed role as 'messiah' and the 'Obamaites' who dutifully worship him all exhibit the properties of a cult.

Obamaites shout I love you and Obama shouts back, I love you too.

Obamaites faint in his prescence 'slain in the spirit' of the prophetic words he espouses.

Obamaites have sensual experiences - 'shivers' in their extremities and 'orgasmic' feelings in his prescence.

Obamaites chant until exhaustion "Yes We Can" and have cultic visions of 'Hope' and 'Change'.

One wonders when Obama will reveal the 'Mother Wheel' of Farrakhan and all the 'little wheels'.

WoW!

Thomas Represents Biblical Christianity
The first question is simple: Does the Bible give a clear definition of Christianity? The answer is, yes. The next question is also simple: Who better represents that biblical definition, Mr. Thomas or Mr. Obama? Well, anyone who has even a basic understanding of the New Testament knows that Mr. Thomas' definition of Christianity represents the content of Scripture, while Mr. Obama's directly contradicts it.

is he really a what?
Cal had this one right. It's not that he is or isn't a Christian. It's that he is lying and claiming to be something he clearly isn't. That means not only is he a phony about religion, (and insults religion by such a clear deception) but insults everyone else by thinking they're too stupid to see him for the lier he is.

There is an interesting story on Jpost.com about a quote from his brother (in Kenya)

"Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.

In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya."

Does that sound like the Obama we hear every day? Much closer than the 'Christian' line he's trying to feed us. Maybe he's pretending (poorly) at Christianity now, but his 'background' is muslim.

Perhaps the base is flawed.
Recall that Barack Obama said that it was Rev Wright who introduced him to Jesus. Recall also that Obama sees nothing wrong with the rantings of Rev Wright.
We could draw a conclusion that Obama has a very skewed view of who Jesus is, and believes that it is a right view. After all, who has actually given him the truth? He believes what he's been "taught".
Recall also that He went to Wrights Church to assist himself in his organizing activities. The organizers are trained to use the church facilities, money, and people for their OWN purposes. Organizers infiltrate their socialist philosophy into the congregations. And also remember that organizers gain prominence and support by pointing out divisions, pitting have-nots vs haves.


This is probably why Obama makes such odd statements about Jesus and the Bible. He's been in churches,yes, but the gospel has probably only been preached with a purposely distorted explanation. We've heard Rev Wright and Fr. Pfleger and that didn't sound like a homily, but rather political ranting. And there was a definite purpose for what they were saying, to stir the people. To live the gospel??? No, to be political pawns in a quest for power.

Why do people not see this?
These folks are so brainwashed that they believe it as "gospel".
That's scary when one considers that the soul is at risk.

Obama a better leader than Mccain
I may agree with you that based on Obama's comments, he may be a church goer but not someone who has personally received Christ as his Lord and Savior. I am very dissappointed that many Christians have sold themselves so cheaply to politicians. You don't need to be a christian to lead America. Iwonder if McCain is. Bush said he is a Christian but is also a member of the Skulls and Bones. When Chris Mathews asked him about it, he said it's a secret he can't talk about it. Please donot be deceived these guys are wolves in sheep clothings. I trust Obama to tell the truth and bring the so much needed change. Bush and Mccain suported by some Evangelical leaders started the Iraqwar that turn out to be a disaster. Today we know that they lied. How many have been killed in Iraq? Abortion is wrong but we can't wait on the government to ban abortion for us Christians to do our work of evangelizing the people and also change the mindset on abortion and other sin. The GOP has won 7 out of 10 times in the last 40 years and yet we are still here. This is one evangelical who will be campaigning for Obama because he is a much better leader and honest person than the smear tactics of the GOP. I really can't stand it anymore. They lie, the use smear tactics against Obama for political gain. A true believer in Christ won't stand such a campaign.

Obama a better leader than Mccain
I may agree with you that based on Obama's comments, he may be a church goer but not someone who has personally received Christ as his Lord and Savior. I am very dissappointed that many Christians have sold themselves so cheaply to politicians. You don't need to be a christian to lead America. Iwonder if McCain is. Bush said he is a Christian but is also a member of the Skulls and Bones. When Chris Mathews asked him about it, he said it's a secret he can't talk about it. Please donot be deceived these guys are wolves in sheep clothings. I trust Obama to tell the truth and bring the so much needed change. Bush and Mccain suported by some Evangelical leaders started the Iraqwar that turn out to be a disaster. Today we know that they lied. How many have been killed in Iraq? Abortion is wrong but we can't wait on the government to ban abortion for us Christians to do our work of evangelizing the people and also change the mindset on abortion and other sin. The GOP has won 7 out of 10 times in the last 40 years and yet we are still here. This is one evangelical who will be campaigning for Obama because he is a much better leader and honest person than the smear tactics of the GOP. I really can't stand it anymore. They lie, the use smear tactics against Obama for political gain. A true believer in Christ won't stand such a campaign.

Mdoggggg
"Attempting to judge a man's Christianity - when you represent the party of war and death, is not only hypocritical, but disgusting."

Yeah, like Democrats aren't guilty of the same thing. Remember The Korean Conflict, VietNam?
And before you start with the idiotic claim that Iraq was no threat to us and hadn't attacked us, well Korea and VietNam and never posed a threat to us or attacked us neither.

It is kind of amusing when a non-Christian arrogantly thinks he or she can instruct Christians politically. ; )

John 14:6
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me."

It should be great consolation to Christians to remember eventually, "Every Knee Will Bow, and Every Tongue Confess, that Jesus Christ is LORD."

Every.

Sen. Obama & the North American Union?
Barack Obama YOU HAVE SAID NOTHING about the N A U (SPP.GOV). You MUST know this “business deal” was done by Pres. Bush with his friend, confidant & past Pres. of Mexico, V. Fox. This quietly done "deal" was ORALLY solidified at the Bush ranch. It was never debated by the legislature or told to American citizens. We now see plans for a Super Highway, where thousands of acres of tax payer property will be confiscated through (the Kelo vs New London Court rule) eminent domain process. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS CENTRAL TO THE FREEDOM AMERICANS ENJOY. The N A U- “NAFTA Super Highway” deal negates this basic, American right to own, retain, safeguard and preserve property owned by families, in many cases, for generations. The NAU, surreptitiously done by President Bush in 2005, with NO debate or vetting by the legislature, completely disenfranchised Americans of any knowledge of or say in the matter. It is the equal of a virtual coup in surrendering U.S. sovereignty to a trilateral entity that, in the form of a N A U, could equal the European Union that dictates to the citizens of 27 European states. Senator, you need to tell American your position on preserving U.S. Sovereignty. The N.A.U., if actively denounced in your campaign, could win you the presidency. Your opponents have never talked of this vital issue - - meanwhile the Bush admin. is proceeding as thought this private scheme is a “done deal”. America is watching, listening & waiting to see how you stand on this critical matter. P.S. House Concurrent Resolution 40 states Congressional DISAPPROVAL of the NAFTA Highway & N A U. You are NOT among the 48 COSPONSORS of the bill. Why? Ron Paul introduced H.R. 5191, prohibiting use of federal funds for N A U highway projects. Back this bill & show you support the sovereignty, independence & freedom of America.

Barack Hussain Obama & Christianity

I find it very difficult to believe that Barack Hussein or Rev. Wright & the UCC are in any way Christian. I know God said that we are not to judge but He also said we are to discern the spirits and know them (the people) by their fruits. Gal 5:22 states "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control”. Both Obama and (certainly) Rev. Wright miss most of those. Hate and racism is not of God. Homosexuality and abortion, both which Obama advocates, are not of God. And they are both good friends of Louis Farrakhan who converted to orthodox Islam in 2000 and is fervently devoted to Islam. Christianity is an enemy to Islam. Surah 5:51 “Take not Jews or Christians for your friends and protectors”. Christians/Jews are the infidel!!How then can a man devoted to Islam befriend a Christian pastor or church member? Also, if a Christian, why does Rev. Wright/UCC santify Farrakhan and his people going into the prisons and indoctrinating the blacks in the Islam faith, which offers no eternal salvation (except by Jihad). I would think that a Christian pastor would want Christian lay workers to teach the blacks about Jesus Christ/forgiveness of sins and eternal salvation. Until I hear Barack Hussein stand in front of the cameras and say “I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and Lord and I believe he is the true Son of God. And I denounce all forms of Islam” he will be an Islam-Muslim to me.

Obama and Christianity
Let me see now -- the candidates have to pass a theology test in order to be a good president. By these standards, Thomas Jefferson would have flunked when he devised his own New Testament by removing all miraculous stories from his "Bible." By the way, have you given McCain this "litmus" test for orthodoxy?
If I were not already a Christian (which I am) and I read the above comments, I would never guess that the writers were followers of Christ.
No Christian love evident here. Shame on you, Cal Thomas. I thought you were smarter than that!

OBAMA NOT ABOVE REPROACH ...
What's most disturbing is how Obama is above reproach. It's become almost blasphemy to criticize him in anyway. Kudos to John Stewart for pointing this out in his comedy routine, but he'll probably catch flack for that, just like the rest of us. It's as if Obama has been packaged and sold to us as some kind of diety, when he's nothing more than a junior senator, with a thin resume, who voted present a hundred times at his job.

OBAMA NOT ABOVE REPROACH ...
What's most disturbing is how Obama is above reproach. It's become almost blasphemy to criticize him in anyway. Kudos to John Stewart for pointing this out in his comedy routine, but he'll probably catch flack for that, just like the rest of us. It's as if Obama has been packaged and sold to us as some kind of diety, when he's nothing more than a junior senator, with a thin resume, who voted present a hundred times at his job.
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