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Tuesday, May 20, 2008
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
GOP: Get Back
by Cal Thomas
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"Get back, get back. Get back to where you once belonged." - The Beatles

The Republican Party is in distress. Doomsayers are everywhere. Republican National Committee Chairman Robert M. Duncan complains that conservative, pro-life, pro-gun Democrats won three special elections by stealing GOP issues.

"We can't let the Democrats take our issues," Duncan told the New York Times. "We can't let them pretend to be conservatives and co-opt the middle and win these elections. We have to get the attention of our incumbents and candidates and make sure they understand this."

Democrats didn't steal your issues, sir. You abandoned them. Your party discarded them. Democrats simply engaged in dumpster harvesting.

Unable to win by labeling Democrats "liberals," Republicans don't know what to do. Labeling worked before. Why isn't it working now? The answer is that it only works in combination with superior ideas, which you then contrast to those of your "liberal" opponent. You can't do that credibly unless you have embraced those ideas and sought to implement them. Republicans traded in their ideas in favor of gaining and keeping power as their sole objective. The party wants credit for giving lip service to its abandoned ideology while it practices cave-in politics.

John McCain has promised to bring Democrats into his Cabinet and work with Democrats in Congress. Does that mean ideas don't matter? Does it mean that when Democrats disagree with him he will embrace their ideas just to get along? If so, why should voters vote Republican? They might as well vote for Democrats and get their liberalism straight-up.

Which of the principles articulated by Ronald Reagan, and the conservative revolution he led, does the GOP believe has failed? Lower taxes? Reduced spending and smaller government? Self-reliance? Strong defense? Defeating our enemies so they will fear and respect us, instead of appeasing them in hopes that they might like us? If such principles remain valid, why don't more Republicans articulate them?

I asked Rep. Mike Pence, Indiana Republican, about this. Pence is one of the shrinking number of Republicans who still has principles on which he stands. What is his vision for a GOP resurgence?

"My vision for renewing our party in 2008," he said, "is the same as it was when I ran (unsuccessfully) for Leader after the 2006 elections: I believe the way back to a Republican Majority is to the Right."

During his campaign for Minority Leader in 2006, Pence said, "Our new Republican minority must rededicate itself to the ideals and standards that minted our majority in 1994. Only by renewing our commitment to fight for the principles embodied in the Contract with America can we hope to have the credibility to earn back the opportunity to lead this national legislature.

"We will only defeat the Democrat agenda by presenting a positive, conservative message in vivid contrast to the big government liberalism of the new Majority. To renew our Majority, we must offer this nation a compelling vision of fiscal discipline and reform. We must again embrace the notion that Republicans seek the Majority not simply to govern but to change government for the better. We are the agents of change and we must return to that reformist vision."

Is there a Republican who objects to this vision? Is there one, besides Pence, who has it?

In 1977, Ronald Reagan spoke of principles that transcend eras: "We, the members of the New Republican Party, believe that the preservation and enhancement of the values that strengthen and protect individual freedom, family life, communities and neighborhoods and the liberty of our beloved nation should be at the heart of any legislative or political program presented to the American people. Our task now is not to sell a philosophy, but to make the majority of Americans, who already share that philosophy, see that modern conservatism offers them a political home. ... The job is ours and the job must be done. If not by us, who? If not now, when? Our party must be the party of the individual. It must not sell out the individual to cater to the group. No greater challenge faces our society today than ensuring that each one of us can maintain his dignity and his identity in an increasingly complex, centralized society."

For Republicans to win - and be worthy of winning - they need to get back to where they belong.

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Amen! Amen!
Cal Thomas and Mike Pence clearly see what is wrong.

Five stars for both.

Unfortunately, in Indiana, we have 2 leftist Senators, one D and one R.

Duncan - read this....
Comments from a Newsflash your "esteemed colleague" tom Cole sent to previous GOP donors and supporters...

http://blog.nrcc.org/comment.cfm?entry_id=400

Read all 1700 or so comments from "your base" and maybe, just maybe you'll be smart enough to figure it out. No more than a handful comment they will hold their noses for McCain in November. A HANDFUL of what used to be loyal, DONORS and volunteers are still on your team, Bobby my friend.

Look Bobby, here is something to consider....McCain is as poisonous to downticket Republicans as Bush and Cheney could ever be. Your base is going to stay home, Bobby, and your downticket candidates will suffer greatly. Do yourself a favor and get behind Ron Paul or Bob Barr to get some voters out there who actually may help your other distinguished gentlepersons on the downticket.

BTW other posters, if you don't know who Mike Pence is, check him out. IMO he could be that conservative we will be looking for in 2012.

Lonely Conservatives?
Subject: Lonely ?
Peter J. Wirs, "The Maytag Repairman" of TownHall.

Your chosen title will be an instant turnoff to many dissatisfied customers.

"Uniting McCain and Conservatives", will never happen until we are all on the wrong side of the daisies, looking up.

Try running conservatives for a while, then you won't need to try uniting. We will do that for you.

I will try the site you mention if I can access it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From
Uniting McCain and Conservatives: Here's How We're Going to Do It
By Peter J. Wirs
So, here’s what we are going to do. Go to

http://www.GOPonDemand.com.

Click the GRIPE page and specifically elaborate

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Gripe site...
OK, the link worked.

By the way, this is about the lousiest format I've seen yet.

Try black letters on white background, and larger font.

That is, if we curmudgeons are allowed on the site.

Thank you Mr. Thomas,
it is a relief to be understood rather than just heard.
"Hearing" is a lot like "hope."
Without action it means nothing.
John McCain and the GOP have heard us.
What are they going to do about it?
promises are not good enough anymore,
we want action!

Excellent column! 5 stars!

It's heartening to see that some of the manistream columnists are finally starting to get it.

Here's another article from last week. The link:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/14/1022156.a spx

To quote:

"Rep. Tom Davis wrote a 20-page treatise assessing the state of the Republican Party as we head into the summer and presented it to House GOP rank and file this morning. Davis, who is retiring, is rumored to be interested in finishing his term as the head of the GOP House campaign arm.

"And the kicker, 'the Republican brand is in the trash can...if we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf.'

"And just in case anyone is laboring under the illusion that the party can remake itself in the image of John McCain, Davis asserts, 'McCain has his own branding and it is not consistent with congressional Republican branding.'"


so.... even some of the GOP politicians are starting to get it, too.

We can only hope the GOP wises up and convinces McRINO to pull out.

Of course, he's such a massive egotist that the odds of my winning the Lotto are probably ten times better.

Good work!
Right on, Mr. Thomas. You really get it. I think a major challenge for the Party, after formulating a new agenda, is to start looking for/grooming that candidate of the future who understands, articulates, and can APPLY this vision - on the range of substantial issues.

The Party has to seize the moral initiative from the Democrats, because right is on our side. (No pun intended). Instead of apologizing for the existence of every indigent on the globe like they have been, Republicans must be prepared to uphold the moral superiority of individualism, reject the notion that the individual has a moral and legal duty to be a slave to the collective, and then show how every single time the government sticks its hands in the American machine, destruction results, with the lives and futures of some sacrificed for that of others. Such interference is the very epitome of immorality. Where is the "compassion" for the lower middle class worker who wants to support his family, but finds the government cannot keep its hands out of his thinly lined pockets?

I am sensing winds of change in the conservative movement, and it gives me cause for much hope. However, I do need to address one thing. There will have to be some philosophical selling involved. There has been a recent sloughing of conceptualizing activity in the average American mind. Fewer and fewer people tend to think in terms of the left-right model. One big conceptual vacuum. Very alarming. Query people and you will see. It will need to be addressed with clarity, patience, and optimism, and most of all, persistence, because when Americans understand, they will choose the rational course.

On the money Cal
Yes there are a few good conservative Republicans left. Jim Demint from SC and Jeff Sessions from AL to name two.

The problem is that that number appears to be shrinking as the cancerous growth of the disatisfied Demos spreads throughout the party.

The question now is not whether or not conservatives will hold their noses and vote for Mclame.

The question now is will the Republican Party be around in 10 years?

The only cure...
...for Republican betrayal of its espoused principles is total, nationwide, shattering defeat.

The GOP is a power-seeking institution, like all political parties. It seeks power by presenting candidates and policy positions to us. The only way to compel its strategists and office-seekers to return to conservatism is to deprive them of all power and perquisites of office.

Conservatives must refrain from voting this november -- http://www.eternityroad.info/index.php/weblog/single/manda tory_rebellion/ -- so the vote total will be too low for the Democrats to claim a "mandate to lead." But Republican candidates for federal, state, and local offices must be denied what they seek, and must be barred from it until the GOP returns to proper Constitutionalist principles, both in word AND deed.

Everything else has been tried. Nothing has worked. It's time to take the gloves off.

Payback....
.... I knew back in 1999 that W was a disaster waiting to happen.

If the GOP is gone (and, sadly, it just might be) W and those fools who voted for him are to blame.

We Need More Bouttes.
Republican victory actually improves when elitist haters of White Working Class Voters (WWCV) speak. Elitists love Obama, who actually trys to hide them under the rug. However, at the elitist capital of the world, S.F., he thought it was safe. There he gave his pals (Boutte was probably in attendance) a little taste of how he felt about WWCV.

Keep the Bouttes and Obama thisclose. Rev. Wright, far left radicals like former Weather Underground members, Moveon"traitors".org, George Soros. Obama's defeat will be due to them. Maybe Robert could come on board the Obama staff? Would it result in a landslide for McCain? You kidding? Is the Pope Catholic?

Cal Thomas is not a neocon phoney.
Mr. Thomas knows full well that we do not usually have to use force of arms to defeat our enemies and his columns reflect that understanding when carefully examined. We can and should defeat them in many other ways as did RWR while reserving the option, of course, to use force when and where necessary to protect our nation.

You are almost correct in your assessment of Bush II as "a vain, addled, ignorant clown." As a former professional clown seen by about 200 million television viewers worldwide, I must say that Bush cannot in any way be equated with even the least practitioner of the high and noble art of clowning. He is more accurately described as a babbling dweller of the cookoo's nest. He didn't fly over it; he landed giggling smack dab in the middle of it.

I tried to tell all my Republican friends many years ago that Bush was no man of integrity nor a genuine conservative, but they just laughed thinking they knew better. Now they have all been proven to be easily deceived fools. How very sad.


GOP plan of action!
I know how the GOP can get back on top: they can fight to make things extremely difficult for foreign workers to enter our country, they can threaten our adversaries with death and annihilation instead of treating them like humans, they can say "values" when they mean a good thing and "liberal" when they mean a bad thing, they can talk about traditional Christian beliefs as they pertain to legislation (except regarding forgiveness and poverty), whenever two gay people say they love each other they can rush to keep them from declaring it, and when the entire world looks to the most powerful government on the planet for leadership in reducing poverty and increasing individual sustainability, they can vote "Not our problem!"

Party of the individual!

Changing Leadership

We need a conservative challenge to Republican leadership. As Congressman Pence and Congressman Flake seem to be most comfortable at consistently articulating conservative principles, I vote for them as the leaders of this coop.

All they need do is have another vote for leadership. Anyone know the rules on how to make a vote take place?

"All You Need Is [A MEDIA]", Cal
Don't keep thrashing Republicans... they don't need to study some ~blueprint by you or RWR... Statistics (even those phony polls) show that conservatives are the majority in the US. What we need is a MEDIA!! Without a means to TELL voters the truth, candidates are like sheets out in a hurricane... They must speak LIVE to reach supporters, and that only works for local politics - and you must have deep pockets for national TV ads. But Romney is sad proof that even money won't save you, up against those militant MoveOn thugs, who did to Florida, et al, what Rush has been doing to Dem primaries. So it worked very well against us, and now we have no conservative to rally around. Poor McCain has also been duped - to think he has popular backing, but his lack of funding is more telling of our doubts that he was ever very conservative.

I Can't Keep Track Of Them
It's like the Lord of the Flies. Now we have Molecule. As if Robert, Hal, Boutte and Sophie and a few others are not enough. Maybe TH could add a special thread just for them? Call it, "Calling All Liberals. This Threads For You". They could rant back and forth to one another and be very happy. The new TH Liberals Only Thread? Think of it. Robert, Hal, Boutte, Sophie and Molecule all in the same room. Yikes!

Republican Branding

The problem with branding is you got to believe in the "Brand". Employing "Marketing" without the underlying substance creates confusion and mistrust. You will only fool some of the people some of the time.

If you want me to sell it I've got to beleive in the product.

Kudos Mr. Thomas
"Democrats didn't steal your issues, sir. You abandoned them. Your party discarded them. Democrats simply engaged in dumpster harvesting.

Unable to win by labeling Democrats "liberals," Republicans don't know what to do. ... Why isn't [labelling] working now? The answer is that it only works in combination with superior ideas, which you then contrast to those of your "liberal" opponent. You can't do that credibly unless you have embraced those ideas and sought to implement them. Republicans traded in their ideas in favor of gaining and keeping power as their sole objective. The party wants credit for giving lip service to its abandoned ideology while it practices cave-in politics."
These are some of the best & most cogent lines I've seen in TH for months if not years. It perfectly sums up the state of the post-Reagan, post-Contract With America party.

When you aspire to lead & serve the interests of a group who are by definition thinking, engaged, & concerned with consequences of actions, cheap "marketing" tactics to push a preconceived agenda on them isn't going to cut it.

Furthermore, if you whizz on their shoes, you are NOT going to convince them it's just raining. The GOP apparachiks need to lose the notion they can pander to ghosts, i.e. the "moderates" who strangely seem to want exactly what the pop media editorial boards want, while marginalizing their base, & still have one afterwards.

Per person Federal Spending by State

I wonder what the per person benefit is by State of all Federal Funds? I wonder what the trend has been over the last ten years?

I wonder if shale liquidation is one of the reasons for this emerging political strength from Arizona, Utah and Colorado?

I wonder what type of subsidy T. Boone Pickens is getting for his wind farm? I wonder how that compares to utilities?


Term Limits
The lack of term limts for our congressmen and senators is the main culprit for the massive problems America faces today. Re-election ad-infinitum is the underlying cause for all the corruption and incompetence. The Congress and the Senate were never meant to be the purveyors of lifetime careers...

Staying at home
The GOP has lost it. I'm staying at home in November. If I vote, it'll be a third-party or write-in candidate. Throw-away vote? No more so than a vote for the GOP.

Why GOP brand name in dumpster?
That is the question.

People trot out the "usual suspects", the usual villains to account for this phenomenon. But tired platitudes about small government just don't cut the mustard anymore. People not only don't believe the GOP politicians who mouth those platidudes, but many don't even believe in small government anyway

Folks like their entitlements. If you don't believe me, try cutting folks off from the government teat.

See what happens.

But more than that, many are missing the big picture.

There is a general consensus in the United States that our nation is on the wrong track.

Radical degradation in value of the U.S. dollar not only has decreased the purchasing power of Americans(lowering their standard of living)but it has resulted in gargantuan increases in the price of gasoline.

Everyday at the pump Americans are reminded of this. OUTRAGED by it.

An increasingly unpopular Iraq war(with Americans now thinking the invasion was a huge mistake), mortgage defaults, ability of OPEC to flout its power over the hapless American consumer(with a president repeatedly begging the Saudis to increase production), and general angst among Americans over future of their own employment(arising out of globalization and outsourcing), have all conspired to make the wrong-track-right-track polls what they are.

I think Bush and his policies are responsibile for much of this unhappiness.

Not all, but alot.

And to mouth platidudes about small government, while sounding dandy, will get you nowhere.

What I Want to See
After the GOP is crushed in November, a vanguard of zealous conservative purists, with fight and the will to win, should take over the party and force every one of the remaining walking dead zombie GOP fossils out and replace them with viable, true believing candidates.

This should be done so that after 4 or 8 years of communism, when the public cries out for true leadership, the GOP will be ready.

The current Republican party is old, corrupt and sick. Nature must remove it so that the country can be spared all the diseases that comes with decaying flesh. Just look at these guys, all washed out and dying like Arlen Spector. The country's under attack from abroad and domestically and at a time we need vigor and strength we've been stuck with these eunuchs and it's killing us. Good riddance to these guys.

This next election will make the lopsided 1972 election look like a virtual tie.

Cave In Politicians
IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN PUT BETTER. UNTIL THE GOP GETS RID OF THEIR RINOS AND GROW BACKBONES THE GOP WILL BE WALKOVERS. THE FINAL STRAW IS NcCAIN SELECTED BY THE MEDIA AND WHO THE DEMOCRATS WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AS THEIR NOMINEE.

WHY DON'T WE GIVE HIM TO THE DEMOCRATS AND THEN SELECT OUR OWN CANDIDATE?

spelling.
pardons. Platitudes, dudes.

"Your" issues, Duncan?
You arrogant a**! They are AMERICAN issues! The fact that- some- sensible Demcorats have finally seen the light and the wisdom on some of these and have come around to also espousing and supporting them is a GOOD thing for our country.

Perhaps if Duncan and too many of his peers in DC had been more focused on what was/is good for America and less on what was/is good for the GOP, they might still be the majority party.

Say What??????
Pence said, 'Only by renewing our commitment to fight for the principles embodied in the Contract with America can we hope to have the credibility to earn back the opportunity to lead this national legislature.'

The Contract with America was a good idea but it pales in comparison to the Constitution.

Cal says, 'Get back'. I am hoping the back is the Constitution because if the Republican redo is simply to go back to the Contract then this country is finished.

Get back to the Constitution and fight like dogs to enforce its wisdom.


Spelling and jerabaub.
TH needs pros like jerabaub at the editing desk. Maybe TH could hire him? The "Person in Charge of Spelling" would be the perfect title.

Jerabaub would be as happy as a pig in s**t. Think jerabaub can spell that last word?

GOP=Whig

The Stupid Party

The RNC wants an amnesty candidate.

Don't vote for one.

Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades, or until they are supplanted by the La Raza Party, why doesn't the RNC know that? How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? Nominating any of the amnesty supporters is a losing proposition, we will not support them. If the GOP intends to surrender our sovereignty and abandon the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP

The Great Pretender
is GW Bush. The RNC and people like McCain, Lott, Limbaugh and more. They pretend to be conservative...and they give us the finger. Great article. Obama needs to win, he will further destroy America even faster than Bush and his ilk. Maybe in 2012 we will turn it around...but lets have the mess and start over.

It's hard to wait out the next 4 years
But, if we can get Mike Pence...

Three Reasons the Democrats will win '08
(1) The economy. I know the top 10% of income earners are still doing well; the rest of us are not. Republicans are saying: everything is fine! Democrats are saying: we need to do something to get the economy moving again. Guess which message resonates with the majority of people who have seen their paychecks shrinking (shrinking relative to purchasing power for gas and food and health care)?

(2) Health Care -- Republicans say: let the free market work! If an individual with cancer cannot afford their treatment, or buy health insurance to cover it, too bad for them, we'll pray at their funeral. Democrats say: Helath care is a human right that all Americans should have access to. Guess which attitude resonates?

(3) Iraq War: The 18-25 year olds realize that if no change is made regarding this war, the Draft is coming, and they have other priorties for how to live the next decade of their life. Republicans: 100 years of Iraq War coming! Democrats: change course. Guess which message resonates (with both the kids and their parents?)

Republicans are toast in 2008, and will remain so until they get in touch with real, everyday life in America.

Dead Meat
Since 1972 I voted Republican. Not due to any "Party" but, rather, to principles.

The Republican Party is now dead meat in my view and I will never, ever, EVER consider wasting my vote on spinlessness and liars.

Win or lose, I vote for the Constitution of my country. I vote for the hope of my country. I vote Constitution Party.

Good riddance.

GeorgiaGal
The ONLY sentence in your standard DNC talking-point rant I agree with is "Republicans are toast in 2008".

As Cal Thomas correctly writes, had the GOP NOT abandoned conservatism, the Dems would have nothing to campaign on.

A Vote For McCain Is A Vote For Amnesty

John McCain has not changed his mind about "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", amnesty, at all.

http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/03/28/b loggers_press_mccain_adviser_on_immigration
“John McCain’s position on immigration is very clear and this a question that gets asked at townhall appearances everyday in media appearances and has answered the question at least a thousand times before the New Hampshire primary,” Schmidt said.

He explained, “Any person who supports John McCain’s campaigns is a subscriber to John McCain’s views"

A vote for McCain is a vote for surrender of your country.

Your vote for McCain will be used as proof that you want amnesty.



Many of us see another amnesty as the end of the Republic, the stampede it will set off will be overwhelming. If we don't stop the inundation none of the rest matters. We'll be a banana republic before the jihadis can get us. There will never be another GOP president or Congressional majority. Importing voters for the socialists is as stupid as it gets.


McCain keeps saying "Secure the border first". We know that he means amnesty next. The plan is to get the border state Gov's to declare the border secure. Conveniently, they are all on board the cheap labor express. Then his good friend Ted Kennedy will bring back McCain/Kennedy and McCain can provide his good friends across the aisle with their new permanent majority.

I will not vote for amnesty.

Just A Reminder
I'm hearing a lot of support and admiration for Mike Pence, but let's never forget that he was one of the congressional turncoats offering up yet another sad amnesty plan. His duplicitousness was particularly egregious given that he tried to argue that because the illegals had to go home for a one week siesta before returning to Los Estados Unidos permanently it was somehow not amnesty. Go figure that logic? For whatever true conservative principals Pence might hold he is willing to abandon the rule of law and fiscal responsibility while dooming the long term prospects of conservatism so long as it benefits the cheap labor express.

I also heard Jeff Flake's name in the discussion here as yet another example of a principled conservative -- unfortunately he's even worse in regard to amnesty than Congressman Pence. The GOP has virtually no one to trumpet as a consistent conservative voice.

Too Little Too Late
The Republicans have had their day in court and came up lacking. Who would have thought the Republicans would spend like drunk sailors on leave and send us into a recession of thier making.
The Eletes of the Republican Party have been having Cooffe too long with the Eletes of the Democratic Party. You can't tell the difference from either party.
Yup Cal and Mike might see what is wrong but it is too late to change.

Conservative Anger
It is great to see some Conservative anger on here.

Want to know why no one is contributing to the GOP?
Want to know why Republicans are failing to get elected?

Look at the GOP!!!

Spineless weasels who attempt to manipulate and control their own electorate. Who function and make decisions based on fear. Who spend like a liberal and act like a reprobate.

I REFUSE to be called a Republican anymore. I'm certainly not a Democrat. Perhaps the time is ripe for a new party. A party that's going to stand for the Constitution. Stand for Fiscal and Social Conservatism, but above all, stand for something.

As it is, the Republican party no longer stands for anything.

Cal Gets it.
Cal confirms what many of us have known. The GOP has so confused its message that its unlikely that it can do anything that would makes itself believable in the time left before the general. How, after all, do you convince people that you're serious about limited government, high budget deficits, or fiscal responsibility, when 100 GOP Congresspeople and 35 GOP Senators vote for an ag bill that increases spending by 44% over last year? (And only 91 congresspeople and 13 GOP senators vote against). Then, we see the GOP proposals for the "cap and trade" legislation which will cost between $100 B and $200 B a year, at a time when our deficits exceed $500 B, and not one GOP member proposed any offsets on other spending to pay for it? It should be perfectly clear that the GOP doesn't get the message. We know very well that the weak dollar is at the heart of our high cost of oil - but all we get is silence. And we know that entitlement spending is ramping up since the 75 million boomers have started retiring and will swamp the budget - but all we get on this is silence as well. This isn't a campaign about the serious issues we face - its a campaign about pandering and avoiding those issues. And so we wait. And since the Democrats are past masters at pandering to the middle classes, they will increase their control of the house and senate. What we're left with is McCain. But McCain is not going to clarify the GOP's message, because he's running as an Independent who is working both sides of the aisle, and taking his talking points from the Democrats as well as the GOP.

I've had it with republican lies!!!
'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay the course'

Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned 'Titanic'. I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!'

Then we can start over. No sense in keeping a single bad apple to spoil the new ones coming in.

I didn't abandon the republicans
I did not and have not abandoned the republicans. THEY have abandoned me. Before I started voting republican about 1970 or so, I voted democrat. I did not abandon the democrats. THEY abandoned me.

Now I have been abandoned by BOTH big parties even though I take showers regularly and use deorderant.

So now I am going to the Constitution party. Wonder how long it'll take for them to abandon me? Is it just me, or are all politicians and political parties liars? I have not changed since 1970. Maybe that is the problem? I still believe in conservative principles, low taxes, strong military, small government, right to keep and bear arms, marriage between man and women, local control of schools, ect. I must be some kind of a nut! Neither of the big political parties believe in any of that.

Fantastic Piece
Five stars and then some.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

It is funny to me...
that every I get a call from the RNC and RNCC and all the other Republican Committees who call me constantly for money, I am always told that the politicians aren't told what to say and that the committee does not set the message.

My response has been for the last two years that until the GOP get back to it's platform of basic conservative principles they won't be seeing any more of my donations. I have written letters and notes on donation requests to no avail and no response. Now I just tear the donation request into tiny little shreds and return them in the postage paid envelope. I have two of them sitting on my desk now ready for the mail.

If you are interested in what others are saying and doing got to the NRCC Blog and read Tom Cole's message about the New Republican Strategy and the more than 1700 comments in response. There is going to be a blood bath for Republicans in November, short of a miracle.

http://list.nrcc.org/t/1852518/9680264/1934/0/


GOP: Get Back
Yes, I do agree that the Republican party has gone soft. One could make a good case that is was led by Mr. Bush. While he was the least of evils for President, I always wondered if his elevator went completely to the top floor.

I cringe at the fact that a party has nominated a wet blanket like Mr. McCain. As far as I can tell the doesn't believe in much and therefore, should defect to the Democrats that know even less of what they believe than he does.

How is it that no one is making the front issue our independence on foreign oil? Why is no candidate pushing that till his last breath?

Why is no one concerned about regaining our manufacturing base. "Made in China" are three of the most threatening words I can think of in contemporary life.

In essence, I'm asking, "Where is the battle cry for the welfare of America?

TC
Another Amen to Mr. Thomas on this column. And, TC, good idea for a Liberal TH thread. Don't forget to put Kool Aid Kimberly on your list notorious knuckleheads. lol

Robert
Here's a really simple question for you:

Why do your posts keep disappearing?

Primus54 writes:
Subject: Robert
Here's a really simple question for you:

Why do your posts keep disappearing?

He probably, possibly, might have an inkling as to the answer, but I doubt it.

Anyway, malaria robertii will return no matter how many times that disease is cured.

Lumberjack7392
Oh - I'm quite sure he knows the answer, which is why he ignores the question.

The "great & powerful Robert" cannot admit he's not so great & powerful, after all.

He claims he'll "still be here" a year from now, yet he doesn't seem willing to place a bet on it, despite my offer of a wager.

"tr", aka, "treasonous republican", once thought as Robert does. Seen him around here lately?

Bwahahaha!

Honest Question
Is it possible for a POTUS to include members of the opposing party in his/her Cabinet without being considered a sell-out to the party platform. I don't care who we're talking about, but I'd like to know if this approach to government business is always bad or if it can be useful in getting things done. Perhaps it depends on the POTUS.

Not meant to spur anger, but discussion.

mashkiki
Honest Question
Is it possible for a POTUS to include members of the opposing party in his/her Cabinet without being considered a sell-out to the party platform. I don't care who we're talking about, but I'd like to know if this approach to government business is always bad or if it can be useful in getting things done. Perhaps it depends on the POTUS.

Not meant to spur anger, but discussion.

Clinton tried it with William Cohen as SECDEF. THe position in the Clinton Cabinet that had little influence, and less decision making input.

GWB retained George Tenet as Director of the CIA, and we saw how well that worked out.

Cal
The message must be very clear. I must admit that after reading your column I have a million questions for you. Everything seems so muddy now I think Americans are purposefully being marketed to by both parties which don't know what they believe . They are about the business of looking at polls. Foundationless.

Primus54 writes:
Subject: Lumberjack7392
Oh - I'm quite sure he knows the answer, which is why he ignores the question.

The "great & powerful Robert" cannot admit he's not so great & powerful, after all.

He claims he'll "still be here" a year from now, yet he doesn't seem willing to place a bet on it, despite my offer of a wager.

"tr", aka, "treasonous republican", once thought as Robert does. Seen him around here lately?

Bwahahaha!

That's true. Robert has still not admitted that he does not know the difference between Constitution and the Posse Comitatus Act.

Georgiagal
You need to change your name to CommieGal and go back to Detroit to hang with your commie/Muslim breathren. You are polluting my home State with your presence.

B Prince
Your name is a little scary. Can we throw out the judges too!!!! I refuse to live in an oligarchy. YOu forgot to mention taxes. I don't have much blood left in me. Taxdracula has sucked it all out.

Robert
The scripture, which Cal can fully appreciate, asks :What profiteth a man if he gains the whole world, but lose his only soul?" Increasingly, conservatives are asking that question of the GOP. The vote on the Ag bill clearly demonstrates the heart of the issue, as 100 GOP Congresspeople and 35 Senators voted for, and only 91 and 13 respectively voted against this pok laden bill that increased Ag spending by 44% in a year when our deficits exceed $500 billion. For eight years, Conservatives have watched similar actions, and listened to the appeals of the GOP to continue to support the party. Yet, it has not changed, and voting for the GOP increasingly demonstrates that it will not change. The battle increasing numbers of conservatives see themselves fighting is for the soul of the party, and the only weapon they have to fight for that soul is to with-hold their vote and demonstrate that without them, the GOP cannot win elections. Voting for McCain, to many conservatives, will not accomplish their goals. Indeed, it is more likely that the GOP could win the whole world, but lose its conservative soul, as McCain is crafting a message that coopts Democratic and Republican issues into a platfrom, while demonstrating nothing that would suggest that he can or will force those 100 house members and 35 senators to move back to a clear and concise conservative message. And, if instead, he combines those 100 house members and 35 Senators into a voting block that includes many of the Democrats - which is what he clearly intends to do, the Conservative message will be lost for a generation or more.

You, in a practical sense are voting for the next 4 years, they are voting, or not voting, for the soul of the party knowing, that if they do not take action now, the message will be lost. And so will they.

Good Riddance to the GOP
The two parties have become partisan to the extreme, and the GOP blew the opportunity to restore Constitutionasl government to our beloved country. Even after the 2006 election, they remained the Stupid Party. Well. its over!

For those of you looking for a discussion of real choices and a future we can build upon, I highly recommend visiting the FireSociety.com website. There are more active discussions and people looking to build for the future on that site than are here. TownHall is simply a mouthpiece for the GOP elites who write the columns.

In fact, on FireSociety.com, you can actually submit your own ideas to start a discussion thread or contribute an article. More action, more activists, and more potential for the future of freedom being restored by all of us working together.

Visit the site, you will be impressed and encouraged. Thanks, Joe

mashkiki
I don't think it should be considered "sellig out" to have members of the opposing party in your cabinet, if that decision is framed by the intent of having people you honestly feel are best qualified and their party affiliation is secondary to everyone involved. In McCains case that doesn't seem to be his intent, he seems to be offering a plan of "Democrat Affirmative Action" where he will intentionally look at party affiliation first in order to be "incusive".

Collin Cody
Stop using the term neo-con. A neo-con simply means new conservative. These new conservatives stepped in when the party began to drift toward liberalism. Libertarians are very close to Liberals. I say this because libertarians do not want laws. And liberals because of their lack of trust in God put their faith in Big Government and do not want the laws they don't like at the moment. It's all about the individual and his pursuit of happiness where ever that may take him. Libertarians do not belong in a conservative party. Conservatives believe there are rules set in stone that do not change and are always the best for society to live by.
Reagan lost me at the end of his speech on the individual.

PENCE AND FLAKE ARE AMNESTY RATS!
Hey Cal! You need to look at the voting records for these two. They are sellouts on the amnesty issue. Doesn't this issue (the survival of our nation) matter to you?

Get back to what?
Rebranding..double talk for consultant led
inventing new paradigms, just as useful as in industry. The company's stupid enough to use them, lose while said consultants walk away with the cash. Well no one ever accused the GOP being other than being the STUPID PARTY.

THE CONTSTITUTION DOESN'T NEED REBRANDING, STUPID!

Duncan says the DemonRats are stealing their ideas, no they havent because both parties share
the same ideas. Lie, lie and lie some more and if you can make them whoppers.

Personally I don't want the party to get back,
or get up from the ashes. I won't ever be fooled again, we voted Bush with reservations,
even though we were insulted by the Compassionate conservatism as though we conservatives lacked it prior to his appearance.
Only because we despised the DemonRat picks,
Kerry the traitor, Gore the traitorous, Chinese money grubbing nincompoop.

GOP read our lips..we DON't care, we're all set,
no conservatism, no loyalty to the Constitution
no vote! no money! no work! Rebrand that.

IS TIME RUNNING OUT FOR GOP?
BOB BARR/RON PAUL TANDEM?
..... RON PAUL IS BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE A STATESMAN ...

.....The Media had a field day painting Paul as a kook because he thought we shouldn't be in Iraq ...but it is beginning to look like Paul alone, among the Republican Candidates, is the only one who had principles ...

.....If it were not for the Commie/Demoboobs in Washington who have paralyzed our own energy industry and have us on a fools errand chasing alternative energy rainbows ...we would have no need to be in Iraq ...

.....Since the Democrats have become the Socialist/Communist Party and the Republicans have drifted into the void created when the Democrats move to the extreme left ...Conservatives no longer have a voice or a Party of their own ...

.....With Barr offering Conservatives a candidate to vote for and Paul shaking up the GOP convention with his supporters ...perhaps a new union can be formed out of the ashes of a dying Republican Party ...

.....Conservatives need a Party that will stand up in opposition to the Democrats ...the GOP no longer does that .....COLOSSUS

Cal
I'm reading Robert H. Bork's, "Slouching towards Gomorrah" again. It is very clear about what is happening. It is important to understand where we are and how we got there, when in a battle.

georgiagirl
1. Republicans are denying an econmic slump? Maybe you missed it but the president who asked for that stimulus package has an "R", the candidate who asked for a gas tax cut this summer has an "R" also.

2. With the economy weak as you say it is you still want to tax people to subsidize this plan? What would you propose is next after your universal health care? Is it fair that people also pay for food? Isn't food as basic as health care? Maybe we should force stores to give away food. Anything can be presented as a crisis, doesn't make it so.

3. Draft? Why is it that only the Dems have been talking, and threatening the draft these last years? The only people on the hill who have proposed a draft all have "D" after their name, so if you do not want to be drafted, vote Republican. As to 100 years of war, Mac didn't say that the Dems did, he was comparing our presence in Europe and Japan to what may need to be in place in the mid-east, maybe for 100 years. So if you are worried about being involved in another 100 years war, it would be the Dems who took one statement and turned it into everlasting war, vote "R".

You're Right, Redlac!
I've been communicating your thoughts to the GOP since the mid '90s and have yet to receive even a response, much less an educated one. So, the only way to get their attention is to make them lose a major election--like this one.

Wait a minute. Didn't we make them lose a major election back in 1992, when we refused to vote a second time for Bush #1 because he raised taxes? Did the Party get the message THAT time?

Apparently not. Did we see a conservative candidate in Bush #2? Not by my definition!

Did the Party do better THIS time, in choosing John McCain? NoWAY! If anything, McCain is even worse than Bush #2. Heck, he co-authored (with "his friend" Ted Kennedy!) that ridiculous amnesty bill we saw last year.

I will NOT vote for McCain because, to me, he simply is NOT a Republican. He should have jumped parties long ago. His voting record says he's a Liberal Democrat, and my voting record says I'm a Conservative Republican; and neither the twain shall meet!

Voting for McCain would be like voting for Senator Kennedy--or any of the other far left Dems.

Ultimately, the Conservative branch of the Republican Party needs to do more than simply abstain from voting. That hasn't worked in the past, and likely won't work this time.

So, how do people survive a sinking ship? They JUMP OVERBOARD--or to another ship.

And, that would have to be our answer for surviving THIS "sinking ship" of a Party. If all Conservatives left the GOP in droves for a third Party, the GOP leaders might just take notice--or they might remain as blind as they've been in the past.

Either way, we need to take responsibility for our own happiness--and if joining a better Party will do that, then so be it.

I can't speak for the rest of you folks here, but I cannot tolerate being ignored--and pushed aside--by my own Party any longer.

It is time for ACTION, and I'm TAKING IT!

WE GET IT, THE R's DON'T!
We the American Conservatives get it, the power hungry politicians don't. We are sick and tired of the politicians who think we are stupid people who have blinders on and don't know what is going on. If the buck doesn't stop at the Republican party the November vote will look like a political tsunami no matter who the Democratic nominee is. REPUBLICANS WAKE UP BEFORE YOU HAVE ICE WATER THROWN ON YOUR HEAD!

Did you read this?
"
Over the coming weeks, Republicans will be promoting new ideas that give people more personal freedom and lessen the burden of government."

I am praying this means they have had a change of heart regarding limited government now that they have all the pork for the season.

The regulatory environment SHOULD be reworked for greater effeciency, choice, service and best of all liberty.


LJ7392-Primus-Vic-FWife-Others
If they:
1. Vomit forth The Sept 12th Republicans/Neocons.
2. Outlaw Earmarks.
3. Drill Alaska/The Rockies/The Continental Shelf.
4. Expose Global Warming & Ethanol as HOAXES!

They MIGHT have a chance. Otherwise, BLOW THE GOP UP and start rebuilding from The Ground Floor with Pence, Palin and Jindal.

Amnesty

I hope that everyone has learned to push for border security including Pence and Flake. As a matter of security it is necessary because of bad players/terrorists/drug dealers.

What also takes time is not NEEDING a border - meaning we set it up so that an illegal alien couldn't function in our society.

We have to have a two pronged approach as it is just as important to disincentivise illegals from coming.

In the interim, there are legitimate temporary needs by agriculture - I understood those included in the Military Bill are for temporary visas.

What I questions is why isn't all industries considered at the same time. Why piecemeal it accept if it is to hid it and the total.

We need tranparency.

Lisa
That change of heart would be too likely for the convenience of an election, nor for anything fundamental. After all, the GOP co-opted the can and trade proposal of the Democrats into their own, and the leadership of the party and McCain support it. This will cost $100 b to $200 B per year according to the Heritage foundation. And, they have proposed to spending offsets to pay for it. What change of heart could there conceivably be given this, and other proposals floating around in the Congress. This isn't about the GOP having a change of heart. It already has. It changed to the left, and a majority of the GOP's Senators and Congresspeople changed with it. How else, after all, do we explain the fact that the GOP leadership wouldn't even adopt a "no pork/earmark rule", when that rule involves less than 1% of the budget. They are what they are and have become. And, cap and trade, I would point out, is a vast expansion of another regulatory agency. How does this limit growth or regulations? To work, every business that uses fuel will have to fill out paperwork and submit it to the government.

Cal's question
He asked if McCain would jump to the democrat side on issues if he could not get them to agree on Republican side of things. Is he seriously not paying attention?! McCain has already got a steady record of doing that and it is not going to change. There used to be a stark contrast to the democratic agenda and the Republican and there is not any more! I am angry, and writing the Republicns in my state saying so. Get mad everyone, send the messages and flood their offices with phone calls. Call it a protest. Maybe they will get it or they will get tired of hearing it and change.

Bush has betrayed us
If you look at what the GOP stood for under Reagan and even Bush 41, Bush 43 has squandered it:

Strong national defense: That was always the GOP's trump card. Bush 43 sent an undermanned force to occupy Iraq, less than half of the force needed, and the result has been a longer war with higher casualties.

Limited government: Bush 43 presided over a major expansion of domestic spending and entirely new social initiatives. Combined with his tax cuts and the Iraq War, the result was massive deficits.

A stable dollar: Reagan always said that inflation, the decline in purchasing power of the dollar, was a hidden cruel tax on Americans. Bush has not only allowed the dollar to weaken, he's pushed for it. That's the main reason why gasoline and food prices are skyrocketing.

Are there any Republicans with the guts to stand up publicly and say "We have been betrayed!"???



Conservatives need a homeport and must
take over the Republican party once and for all. Democrat-lite politics is like lukewarm oatmeal; the only logical response is to spit it out.

If both parties are similar, then one is unnecessary. Republicans need to grow a spine or some other tissue and tell us in clear, conservative principles what their doctrinal differences are from the Democrats and why we should vote for their candidates. If they don't commandeer some face time in front of a camera (above the heads of the major media) soon, the train wreck and bloodbath predictions will come to pass.

What we have is an absolute void of leadership on the part of the Republican "establishment/ country clubbers." They need to be broomed to make way for truly conservative principled statesmen who aren't afraid to confront and use bare-knuckle politics to DEFEAT their political adversaries. Calling them "friends" and reaching across the aisle to their ideology has been their undoing and will be the same outcome for John McCain.

Perhaps Republicans are more comfortable with being in the minority, having been in that situation for 40 years before their 1994 take-over of Congress. They are used to being steamrolled by the Dems and have shown they would rather appease and placate them and their allies in the dominant media than to get out front and LEAD in the mold of Ronald Wilson Reagan. They haven’t known what to do with the high ground when they had control of it, and deserve to be beaten for their weakness and ineptitude.

Thanks Cal
You are right on the money with this one!

for jerabaub
jerabaub writes: "I think Bush and his policies are responsible for much of this unhappiness."

True.
But no prominent Republicans will dare to break with Bush publicly, except Ron Paul.

For years, I tried to get conservatives to start thinking about a post-Bush agenda. They didn't want to face that.

This is the exact same problem that the Democrats were in back in 1968 and in 1980. Each time, the incumbent President, their party's standard bearer, had screwed up badly (Johnson in 1968, Carter in 1980). Each time the party knew they couldn't defend those policies to the public. But at the same time they couldn't officially break with the president without splitting the party wide open.

And so each time, the party waffled and wobbled, and ultimately lost the election.


Redlac

Soon cities will begin to "barter" resources like water and energy. (Example Las Vegas has a dam that needs water and upstream they have water but little generation. They trade water for electricity. Until of course water becomes a scarcity upstream.

The cost of energy will force investment in more effecient production of everything all by it's loneome.

I don't know why we need another layer to get in the way of the true cost of things.

On the subject of John McCain
No.

JimP
Kimberly goes on the list for the "Liberals Only TH Thread." Robert has saved her a seat right up front. Boutte's all excited, I understand.

TO MY FELLOW CONSERVATIVES, Part 3: Bother any of you folks that liberals eat it up with spoon everytime you bash McCain?

Let me ask you if this bothers you? Yesterday, for the first time, TH declined to print one my posts. This particular post had to do with what might happen to our country if the weakest person running for President in the history of our nation is elected. I can't tell you what I said. TH has already decided not to run it. I will tell it was not pretty. And I will also tell you that if Obama wins this election no one will be talking about McCain, Bush, Hillary or Bill or any other candidate. We'll be talking, however, but such matters as elections will seem very insignificant.

Lisa
"I hope that everyone has learned to push for border security including Pence and Flake."

Pence maybe -- I've seen some more reasonable statements from him lately but still I just don't know how you trust anyone that with a straight face will try to convince you that it isn't amnesty because the illegal has to hop back over the border to fill out some forms and then quickly hop back into our country permanently and with full legal status.

Flake remains an unrepentent open borders amensty advocate. He wants to saddle the U.S. taxpayers with at least a $2.6 Trillion bill for his amnesty and then has the gall to lecture other congressmen on their spending.

Another correction... Agriculture doesn't NEED temporary visas. It is simply another form of pork barrel spending that subsidizes an industry with the lost wages of Americans that otherwise would have done the work at a prevailing market wage. If we can't competitively provide a good or service in this country then it should be done elsewhere rather than bringing in quasi slave labor to somehow make it work. I'd rather just bring in the good or service from the 3rd World rather than having to import the people of the 3rd World to do the work in our farms and factories and then deceitfully claim "Made in America".

Welcome -- The New POTUS
I have read almost every comment posted on Townhall this morning and I am also very angry with the Republican Party as well as the GOP nominee. However, I feel that if GOP voters stay home or vote for a third party candidate, we can look forward to at least 4-years (and quite possibly 8-years) with Obama as POTUS, along a Democratic-controlled Congress.

I have no doubt that four years of McCain will be bad, but I think we can survive a term with him. I'm not sure our nation will not be "changed" beyond repair under Obama with a Democrat Congress.

Although there are numerous issues to be considered, just focus on this one: There are federal judicial appointments all over the nation waiting to be filled (and many appointments are being stonewalled by the current Congress). Imagine if federal appeal courts all over the land were populated by justices along the lines to which most Democrats subscribe.

I am tired of making my choice for political leaders based on the "lesser of two evils" but unless someone has an immediate solution -- I will join other conservatives -- hold my nose and vote for McCain.



Excellent point, Cal
Except that, as others have noted, I have had problems with Pence on the illegal alien issue. When politicians were "for something before they were against it," I tend to doubt their sincerity.

Lisa
Actualy having a dam for generation of electricity doesn't effect the flow of water over the long term. Once the lake has built up in order to get the height needed for the total head for the turbines the same flow goes out of the dam as goes into the lake. Not only is that a federal law but it is also common sense. If you continually let out less than you are taking in the dam will overflow. If you let out more than you take in the lake will go dry.

The latter has happended in GA at the lake near Atlanta but that was a special circumstance. The eco-idiots got involved once again and forced the dam operators (GA Power through a friendly court) to let out more water than was coming in in order to "protect" some stupid bread of river muscle downstream. The lake ran dry and the city of Atlanta ran out of water. The the muscles ran out of water also.

The eco-idiots got what they weanted, they hampered the people and the muscle could have a temporary respite.

BTW, federal law requires the dam operator to maintain the same goes in and goes out over the long term with short term flow changes in order to alleviate flooding.

Wake Up, "Conservatives"!
The "Republican" Party doesn't CARE about you! Cal Thomas is just a writer--he has no clout with the RINO Party! He's been complaining about the Party for decades now, and the GOP hasn't paid him ANY heed! They're still just as weak-kneed and corrupt as the Democratic Party.

If you want ACTION, take action YOURSELVES! Change will only come when drastic actions are taken! That's how this country got started in the first place.

Take a gander at other (third) parties, find one you like, and join it!

Nana
Let's say you get McCain. McCain's platform combines those of the Democrats and the GOP as we see on the latest "cap and trade" proposal. McCain will work with 1/2 the GOP in the house and senate who are moderate to liberal, and the Democrats. He will not have to work with Conservatives. His positions will favor these two groups, which will bring no great benefit to the GOP, given Congress can take credit as well. In 4 years, McCain will be 76. At that time, the GOP will still have the same make-up as it does today. It will be no more or less conservative. After all, with the exception of 10-15 in the Congress and 5-6 in the Senate, which will be swapped out for Democrats this fall, the rest will still be there.

In the interim - what happens to conservatives and conservative values?

They will be history - that's what, as the GOP will have been permanently positioned in that same so called moderate to liberal position that he is now appealing to. And then, he'll be 76, and if the Democrats don't nominate another Obama, they'll almost certainly win the Presidency - and will still control the house and senate.

The messiah is coming...
The smartest thing that the GOP could do in the short/intermediate term is to get Bobby Jindal staged for a run in 2012. This guy is the real deal. He's young and very conservative (think Kennedy in 1960). He should already be consulting with the NRCC and Republicans in Congress.

People ask for the next Ronald Reagan. Jindal is the guy.

Nana
Well, it is going to happen, so let's get on with it. The whole "vote for the GOP because the Dems are worse" train has left the station and none of us are on it. I am willing to go through four more years of Jimmy Carter buffoonery if there is the chance that the GOP will get the picture. The whole issue of judicial appointments is a moot point; neither party will stack the deck- it is too good a wedge issue to keep the money flowing in. Look for a permanent 5-4 split on the Supreme Court. I just hope that the GOP congress-critters act like complete a--holes and make judicial appointments as difficult as possible, just like the Dems have done. This reaching across the aisle has got to stop. BTW, when McCain speaks of reaching across the aisle he is referring to working with the Republicans.

Repubican's Let them eat cake aristocrac

Why do the "For Sale or Rent" Representatives in the Versailles Congress continue with this maddening devotion to Adam Smith and Free Trade policies?
The Democrats have fettered our factories and businesses with fines, diktats, regulations and restrictions. They have betrayed the unions and become paid servants of the Europe and Chinese corporations that ruin American Industries by environmental restrictions.
Meanwhile, the "let them eat cake" Republicans force American businesses to compete with companies that not only have low wages, but no health care, social security, compensation and other cost. I can only conclude this is done to benefit Americans who have become business partners with Communist China and are part owners of the foreign factories that put Americans out of work. If you think it is bad now, what till the aristocracy start rationing and restricting carbon usage in America. This is the agenda of Senators Obama, Clinton and John McCain. The intention of the Democrats is to insure the domination of the politically correct elites, who will rule the world through their subservient, socialist judges, bureaucrats. Business that support the claim of the political Estate will be awarded chartered monopolies, lots of carbon credits, and exemptions from the rules and regulations imposed upon any competitor.
The Republicans are equally supportive of an aristocracy, but their primary landed gentry caste will be the wealthy plutocrats.
We the people end up with a choice of whether we wish to be subservient proletariat to a one-world politburo or whether we are serfs and peasants in a neo-Confederate plantation or hacienda extending from Columbia to Canada. The choice is communism or the Company store. Mike Guy

Just speaking TRUTH...
and I say AMEN!!!

Stay home and don't vote
and then when you get an America with 2 or 3 more lib. nuts on the Sup. Ct., military humiliation in the Middle East, no electricity when you turn on the lights, and some bureaucrat using your personal med. info to keep you from getting medical treatment, then you will have lots of time to remember how you really punished those Reps. by not voting.

Refuse to Assimilate to O-BORG-ama
GOP Bumper Sticker

REFUSE ASSIMILATION to OBORGama.

(pronounced with a quick but barely audible emphasis on BORG.

The idea is simple enough and covers a lot of levels and the bases. It makes a statement about your principled convictions and those of your opponent. It promotes individual spirit over collectivist surrender. It's simple

REFUSE TO ASSIMILATE to OBORGama

Links are available at Flatlanders Blog at TownHall

Renny
You overstate it. At least the lights and med part. After all, McCains on the Dems side on the lights, and 1/2 way there on the meds. Of course, it was the GOP and Bush that rammed the Drug act through - so if you can't get your meds - don't blame the Dems, blame the party in power that enacted it. As far as the Supreme Court, it's been over-rated for decades. After all, you say you want strict constructionists - but what people really want are social conservatives who will overturn Roe v. Wade. After all, most of those social conservatives are not fiscal conservatives, and the last thing they'd want are some real strict constructionists who'd actually kick the Feds out of the business of social security, medicare, medicaid, Drugs, no child left behind and the rest - which are State perogatives under the constitution - not the Fed. But that would absolutely infuriate a lot of those social conservatives. But McCain - well, he's no social conservative - in fact he doesn't even like them much - as you know. So what is it that makes you think he'll nominate social conservatives? You'll get conservatives all right. But they'll be the Western Style Libertarian types, not the Bush Style evangelical types. After all - we wouldn't want to have the Supreme Court decide to downsize the federal government would we? After all, how could John have his cap and trade program?


Deja Vous all over again
I recall that many former Democrats, of the JFK persuasion, have said, upon switching to the Republican party, that "they did not abandon the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party abandoned them!

Never, in my wildest dreams did I ever believe I would mouth similar words about the Republican Party. Unfortunately, I have nothing to switch to, because the BIG TWO hold all the power. What is a voter to do??

GOP GOING THE WAY OF THE DINOSAURS?

.....DUMB & DUMBER

.....Bill O'Reilly and John McCain ...two fools
competing with Al Gore for the mantle of the biggest
Green Geek in America ...

.....Both are admitted environmentalists ...both
believe that the Government needs to do something
about "MAN MADE" Global Warming ...Bill has an
obsessive hatred for oil companies ...Mac voted
against drilling in Anwar ...

.....Bill asked McFool how he was going to "control
the Oil Companies" ..."control" Bill? ...that's
Socialism ...ever hear of it? ...McFool said he voted
against Anwar because he wouldn't drill in the Grand
Canyon ...come again! ...is McFool comparing a
desolate wasteland to a major American tourist
attraction? ...ever been to Anwar Mac? ...neither have
99.9% of the people on Planet Earth ...

.....The next four years are going to be h*ll for Americans no matter who wins the election ...I believe that if McCain wins he will read the eulogy for the GOP and they will break up into warring factions and pass from the scene like the Dinosaurs ...

.....If we are lucky the Conservatives will be reborn into a "New Party" ...like chidbirth, it will be a painful process but worth it in the long haul .....COLOSSUS

Vic

You should see how low Lake Mead is. They have built to the point of exhausting their supply.

Lisa
I am not as familiar with Lake Meade as lake Lanier however I suspect that the problem in Lake Meade is a combination of drought (as was Atlanta) and failure to lower water use for Las Vegas and California's imperial valley. Also, I believe there are treaty obligations for outflow.

In other words, the inflow has decreased to the point of nothing while the outflow and usage has actually increased.

Sammy

I see - you are bothered by the touchback provision.

Well - how about everybody file remotely with a list of skills, work history, evidence of payment of tax to compete with labor that has gotten in line back in the home country. If they have the skills we need why not let them go home and reenter legally? This practice has been going on for decades through Immigration and Naturalization. They would pay the process and background check fee.

We should continue to make life difficult for illegal aliens. Targeted raids, border enforcement, employer liability and a host of other measures are having an impact. Those that are not connected to steady employment are self-deporting.

Of course Representative Gutierrez may have to walk the first illegal aliens across the border and back for employed illegals to trust it.

I submit employers pay a fine in order for move beyond the moment. If the employer finds the employee an asset, they'll self-report in order to give employment history.

I bet there will be plenty of room for fraud. I think it important to have integrity in the system.

It is the unskilled and the criminal illegal aliens I still want gone from US soil and who won't make it through a criminal and credit background check.

I am also concerned with the growth created by the shear numbers allowed entry and ultimately legal status. The cost to localities, the dependence on constant population growth by the building industry leaves me a bit uncomfortable.


It Won't Matter
Only people that believe in more government go into government. If they don't start that way they end up that way. We have abandoned the Constitution and we will pay for it. We are stupid and we deserve what is going to happen.

It's hopeless
I'm convinced these Republicans and perhaps Democrats too, don't really care about party affiliation. They just try to survive as individuals. There's no lesson for Republicans to learn, no getting back where they once were. They lost an election last week and many voted for the Farm Bill the next day. Their only hope is in Democrats piling on more of what America doesn't like. We can be sure that will happen, as soon as Obama takes office.

RickV404
I have not read the posts here since early this morning. I simply scrolled to the last one to see if it was still active.

I have very similar feelings to yours. I never burned down my home to teach my children that playing with matches was dangerous. Lessons can be beneficial as well as detrimental.

Lisa
Amen! Well stated.

Time for a radical RINOplasty
All this nose-holding has left the GOP with extreme facial disfigurement and oxygen deprivation to the brain. An addadicktome wouldn't hurt either.

GOP..RIP?
The main problem with Republicans,as I see it,is they have never learned how to rule.They had been in the minority so long when the became a majority in the nineties,they still did not learn.They never had control,even when they had the numbers.

They had some good ideas and Clinton with his triangulations stole them all,and usually got the credit for them..In other words,they always got rolled.They tried to be fair,unlike the way they had always been treated.

Trent lott even shared the majority with the 'enemy'.When Democrats were the majority,the Republicans had to beg for crumbs,and that is about what they got.

The GOP has never been mean enough.They are all neutered,maybe not when they are elected,but they lose their manhood when it is time to fight.

Tom Delay was mean and tough.We need more like him who don't want to make friends,they want to make a difference.His own cohorts were not srtong enough to back him when the going got tough.A bunch of neutered wussies.Shameful.

R.I.P. Republican party.
You let everything that you gained in 94' slip below the water. Ah, what a great legacy. You gave us corrpution,ineptitude,Karl Rove, Amnesty for illegals, a Kennedy Ed. bill, a homosexual sex scandal, giving away money like it grows on trees, a poorly thought out war,etc. Have I forgotten something?

The best thing that can happen to the Republican party is that it is taken to the woodshed and so soundly beaten that it will eventually die. Amercia needs a Conservative party!!

Cal sees the problem...
...but lacks the intestinal strength to offer even the smallest prescription for a cure. Come on Cal, which programs will your "new" Republicans shrink to achieve smaller government? Which nanny-state department will be eliminated to assert the primacy of the individual? Who will risk political suicide by offering genuine reform of Social Security to rein in out of control spending on the national Ponzi scheme?

Is that silence I hear? Yeah, I thought so...coward.

YES! FINALLY!!
Thank you Cal!!! YOU get it!

I loved reading this! Someone is finally listening and articulating what conservatives have been trying to say for years!


Problem: there are 2 Democratic parties
I firmly believe that the liberals surveyed the political landscape in the wake of Ronald
Reagan and saw that the ideology they represented was completely at odds with the values of the American people. The answer? Bait and switch, a very old trick that keeps coming back because it works so well. Communist literature is rife with detailed instructions on how to infiltrate legitimate organizations which oppose their agendas in order to destroy them from within.

Anyone can see that those who will misrepresent themselves and their beliefs in order to deceive and gain power are unscrupulous in the extreme and that perfectly describes the Neocon movement which has eviscerated the Republican party and left conservative Americans with nowhere to go.

Zedsmom

Thanks - I think it would have been even better if I actually worked on Capital Hill and knew the itty bitty details.

As it is I am quite happy running my own business. It would be a huge change for me and a pay cut to get the last dregs of understanding that would allow me greater clarity.

So, since I want still to write and keep my busines I must be content at getting up ridiculously early in order to teach myself this stuff.

Two Democratic Parties?
Where did the idea that there are two Democratic parties come from? Just look at the people who were elected as Conservative Democrats in 2006. They won't sign the release petition to make Pelosi put the FISA up for a vote (where it will probably win), they wink while Democrats launder earmarks in the Defense supplemental appropriation, and they vote with Nancy and Harry Reid at every step of the way.

Then they claim they are a Conservative Democrat? All that they are is a Democrat who claims to be a Conservative. There are no more Zell Millers or even a little conservative Democrats like Joe Lieberman out there. These are machine Democrats (remember, they were recruited by the liberal Democrat machine run by Rahm Emmanuel) who told fair tales to get their way into office. They may have claimed that they stood for things conservative, but they won't stand up for now what they said they would when on the stump.

One party, full of liars. All committed to the Socialist/Communist way of life, and turning this country into France II. My suggestion is that we vote EVERY Representative out of office and start over. Unfortunately, the primaries are complete, so you won't be able to replace these poseurs with a real Democrat or Republican. So, pull the lever for the other guy, and at least make these guys VERY afraid.

GOP:Get Back::By CalThomas#postC...
Wish Cal Thomas would put a copy of this one on all the Republicans desk in the Senate and House of Representitives. Article is all so true.

Wiley A Bush Jr MSgt USAF Ret
PO Box 1892
Vidalia, Ga. 30475-1892

TheHistorian
Both parties' candidates run locally as conservatives,if they are from Red States.They get to Washington and drink the same water as the liberals and lo and behold,they are transformed almost overnight.

We have some 'good ole Gawjah boys' up there right now,whose days are numbered for that very reason.They are 'one trick ponies',but they will not last long.These are supposedly,Republicans.

Zell Miller walked away because he would not do the bidding of the left,even though he is a Democrat.He is respected for that because he would have been re-elected.

No true American can be pleased with the 'left turn'of these politicians..We need to clean house,fumigate, remodel and start over.


Sammy

Labor demand, unemployment concerns and local/National growth in energy and local service demands should balance the power in a functioning immigration system.

Commerce needs affordable skilled and unskilled labor. If our unemployed were more mobile perhaps they could find jobs suitable for their skills.

I've yet to see many city teenagers/adults going out into the countryside to pick strawberries.

So where does a farmer get the labor?


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