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Thursday, May 15, 2008
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain Joins Global Warming Cult
by Cal Thomas
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In an effort to win over those "moderates" who believe that global warming is about to destroy the planet, Republican presidential candidate John McCain spoke Monday at a Portland, Ore., training facility for Vestas Wind Technology. He claimed, "The facts of global warming demand our urgent attention, especially in Washington."

There certainly is more "hot air" on this and a lot of other subjects in Washington, but that isn't what he meant. The era of big government is so not over, as Bill Clinton claimed it was in 1996. It is just beginning and increasingly the political contests seem to be about who will manage its growth, not who will reduce its size, cost and reach.

Despite a recent Wall Street Journal editorial characterizing his position on global warming as "Obama lite," McCain asserted, "We stand warned by serious and credible scientists across the world that time is short and the dangers are great. The most relevant question now is whether our own government is equal to the challenge." No, the most relevant question is whether global warming is true. Cults ignore evidence and facts contrary to their blind faith. Science should never be blind to opposing views, but the apostle of global warming, Al Gore, and his new disciple, John McCain, want us to believe in a 2008 version of the Pete Seeger anti-war lyric: "we were - knee deep in (carbon monoxide) and the big fool said to push on."

McCain would have done better to push back against the global warming cult and conduct a raid on the cultists similar to what Texas authorities did to the FLDS polygamists. Instead of buying into the claims of global warming alarmists who seek more control over our lives through big government intrusion, McCain should demand a debate on the issue. Global warming cult leaders won't debate. Al Gore has refused every debate challenge, asserting the facts are undeniable and that global warming is real. That's another mark of a cult leader; he will tolerate no doubters.

Growing numbers of atmospheric scientists and others with related expertise are emerging from the global warming cult and testifying to their conversions. They are mostly ignored by the media and by politicians who have embraced the cultists' doctrines.

Two years ago, the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works held hearings and produced a document quoting anti-global warming scientists. Among the conclusions was this: "Earlier this year, a group of prominent scientists came forward to question the so-called 'consensus' that the Earth faces a 'climate emergency.' On April 6, 2006, 60 scientists wrote a letter to the Canadian prime minister asserting that the science is deteriorating from underneath global warming alarmists: 'Observational evidence does not support today's computer climate models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the future. Significant (scientific) advances have been made since the (Kyoto) protocol was created, many of which are taking us away from a concern about increasing greenhouse gases. If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary.'" (See here.)

Among the noted converts is Claude Allegre, a member of the French Socialist Party and a former Minister of National Education. Allegre is also a member of the French and U.S. Academy of Sciences. He once was a believer in the "science" behind global warming, but no more. He, too, wants a debate and his ranks are growing.

If global warming alarmists are right, they will only strengthen their position by having robust debates, not between politicians who seek votes, but among scientists who seek truth. The issue is too important to allow politicians to decide it for us because it has the potential to drastically change the way we live.

Sen. McCain may win a few votes from some "moderates," who mostly are uneasy about having convictions about anything that matters, but if he persists in embracing the global warming cultists, he risks experiencing a temperature drop from the conservative base that could cast him out in the cold when the weather and his election prospects turn chilly in November.

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McCain isn't a conservative look at this
http://tinyurl.com/3xydpd

Yup, one MORE reason


not to vote for McRINO.

The guy never met a liberal social policy he didn't like. (Sorry, Will Rogers)


This one's a whopper.

Junk science
Whenever you hear people talk about consensus, you know they're being political and not scientific. If consensus were the foundation of science, it would never advance because no one would be allowed to challenge the currently-held consensus. Anyone who dared to dissent would be denied funding and positions and eventually harassed out of their field of study. We see the exact same phenomenon regarding Darwinism.

Through the looking glass
In this Bizzaro World presidential race the dishonest, Marxist Hillary Clinton is beginning to look like the rational one.

I'm gonna take two asprin; wake me when it's over.

"Moderates"
I'm glad to see a columnist finally explaining what "moderates" really are: political cowards.

"Sen. McCain may win a few votes from some 'moderates,' who mostly are uneasy about having convictions about anything that matters..."

"Moderates" are not always the same as independents, some of whom are conservatives and liberals disillusioned with the R and D parties, but most of whom simply do not follow politics except right before a presidential election. Those people can be swung either way by the most demagogic propaganda. I mean, what knowledgeable person could go into the voting booth still undecided between John Kerry and GW Bush? They were very far apart on most issues, but a lot of voters had no idea. Those are the same people who can't name the Sec. of State or their own Congressman.

Just when I think that I can
Just when I think that I can stomach voting for him to keep the presidency from falling into the hands of even worse, he does something like this.

For me, this is the last straw. I'll sit this election out.

Stan: My sentiments exactly...


"Just when I think that I can stomach voting for him to keep the presidency from falling into the hands of even worse, he does something like this."


While I'm not at the point where I'll sit out this election, McCain is making it harder and harder every day.



McCain's stupidity!!
McCain was asked about Anwar, he said he was against drilling there, and he was against drilling in the Grand Canyon!! Is there anything else to say? He is "stuck on stupid".
We need "none of the above" on the presidential ballot. Let's start a referendum drive like Prop. 13 was in California. The politicians are selling us out, and they think we are stupid.
Mike,
Hawaii.

McCain and Global Warming
I have a T shirt that says, "I have no idea what's going on". I bought it as a joke shirt, but I am believing it more every day. What in THE world is going on in McCain's head? Anything??
What am I to do in November?? Vote for myself? I am beginning to think that God has finally turned His back on our country.
Ginny,
California

Inconvenient Lie
Gore's film now we find out was a bunch baloney.
The supposed ice shelf breaking away in his film was nothing more than a special effects trick using styrofoam. Very admirable of you Mr.Gore. And as for NBC news, Penguins don't exist in the Artic but in the Ant-artic. Idiots!

Stop McAmnesty CO2 and Methane Emissions
I am a conservationist, but I want this issue to be decided on facts, not false science. Cal is right--issue exploiters like Goron refuse to debate the facts--so will McAmnesty. Remember the lefty nut "environmentalists" like Newsweek back in the 1970's who predicted the new ice age and demanded that the federal government pour volcanic ash all over the poles in order to melt the ice caps and save all of humanity!? Glad they didn't? And whatever happened to the real issue--population control--which hasn't been raised since the 1970's--about 3 BILLION people ago? Bad for vote getting? How many kids do Gore and McAmnesty have?

McAmnesty should show his scientific expertise by explaining how what is coming out of his tailpipe is melting the ice caps ON MARS!!! Also, I would like to know how his $1.2 TRILLION eco-tax will control solar cycles, the major cause of changes. If we would simply control the hot CO2 and methane being emitted by politicians like McAmnesty on this issue, we will be well on our way to solving the real problem.

I SO cannot vote for John McCain!
The guy might as well be Obama. But worse -- his legacy will be associated with conservatism, whereas Obama might have the same impact as Carter (bringing folks back to conservative principles).

VOTE LIBERTARIAN. Don't let RINO McCain make a fool of you again. No Way.

That's not all...
In the AP story about McCain's Oregon speech, he was quoted saying words to the effect that he would support a "cap & trade" system even if anthrogenic CO2 induced climate change (ACO2ICC) were actually proven false.

WHOA!

It could IMO be a reasonable position to say you would support measures that could be shown scientifically to alleviate the problem (which would also entail proving there WAS a problem in the 1st place) w/o imposing a societal cost wildly out of proportion to the alleged benefit, as is generally the case w/ government programs.

But Mack not only lives on the reservation & swills down the Kool-Aid, but he won't even couple his energy rationing scheme (which is what "cap" means) to the alleged problem it is supposed to address. It would ipso facto, like so many other federal mini-empires eating us alive while accomplishing nothing good, gain a life of its own.

There is nothing "moderate" about this; it is far fringe radical leftist at best. The ACO2ICC dogma is a ticket to totalitarianism, Mack should realize it (or he's really more stupid than the Dems say GWB is) & therefore he's announced an intent to sell us completely based on this issue alone.

Isn't it odd that the "moderates" we hear about supposedly will run like rabbits from the tiniest most tentative expression of conservatism, but are said to be actually attracted to this kind of radical extremism?

Ditto what Stan said
It the election had been held a week ago, I probably would have held my nose and voted for McCain. But not any more. This is sickening. I have my notice from the RNC that my membership has expired on my refrigerator. That's where it's going to stay. No more money from me.

And another thing
B. Hussein Obama is the weekest candidate that the Dems will put up since McGovern in 1972. Even if we had just a half-way decent candidate, Hussein Obama would lose in a landslide. But it's Hussein Obama who is going to win in a landslide. So, where are you "moderate" Repubs who like to lecture us real Americans that we have some obligation to vote for McCain? Go ahead, let's hear it.

Global Warming News just in
Volcano Releases the Equivalent of One Trillion Cow Farts Into Atmosphere
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"On May 2, Chile's Chaiten Volcano released a gigantic cloud of emissions composed of ash,
steam, smoke, and various oddball gases whose estimated amount equals to one trillion cow
farts, a UN-sponsored climate change study revealed. "In just one day, this volcano set the Kyoto Protocol back 15 years, obliterating the otherwise outstanding success of our
multi-billion dollar efforts to curb the release of cow farts into the atmosphere,"
complained Chairman of Intergovernmental Panel on Cow Farts (IPCF) Rajendra K. Pachauri at an emergency conference at Grand Plaza Hotel in New York yesterday."

1000 cow farts = 1 Megafart
1,000,000 cow farts = 1 Gigafart
1,000,000,000 cow farts = 1 Kyotofart

Al Gore is expected to sell cow fart credits to cover those who fly in private jets and ride in limosines. A personal cow fart certificat signed by Al Gore will show your cow fart
support.

Get your cow fart certificate today!!

Call soon they are going quickly - press 1 for English

That's it.

Retired Geek, you convinced me.

I'm voting for the "fart ticket" this fall.


Concur with all the above.
I just cannot believe how that man continues to spit in the face of those who would dearly love to have a candidate to support. This pandering to Oregon greenies is indeed the straw. I'll be voting, but not for any of the 'major party' candidates.

Mexico and Mufflers
Has McCain ever been to Mexico?? They have NO Emmission Laws- They don't use Mufflers on their vehichles and all last Spring they burned their ILLEGAL IN US-PESTICIDE farmland. The Smoke that soared over TEXAS kept our school kids from being able to play outside for weeks. Old people were warned not to go outside. Global Warming--I am sick of the money making, only applies to us, politicians!

How Can McCain be so Stupid?
I'll vote for him to stop Obama who is very dangerous, but I won't like doing it.

The Global warming lies must be exposed as the monstrous Socialist & Globalist power grab that they really are.

McCain- Repent!

Global Warming Hidden Within Cold Temps
In a little noted story (at least over here in the US), the Hadley Meterological Office in England admitted that there has been no global warming since the record El Nino year of 1998. Temperatures overall have slightly cooled (0.2 deg C).

A group of climate scientists at the Max Plank Institute in Kiel Germany last month predicted that global temperatures will continue to cool due to changes in the oceans currents, and that this cooling will last at least through 2016.

NASA's JPL in Feburary said that globally the oceans have actually cooled since 2003.

In the US, according to NOAA, temperatures have cooled 0.7 deg C since Jan 2007. April 2008 was the coldest April since 1969.

The Southern Hemisphere hasn't warmed since 1979, and its cooling has accelerated since 2000, according to the Hadely Center.

NOAA, the Max Plank Institute, the JPL, and Hadley are in the forefront of the Climate Change arguements. They has preached global warming since 1995. They are not stooges for Big Oil. The data is so convincing that Global Warming stopped a decade ago that thy finally had to admit it in public.

Now, the word is out that Global Warming is still occuring but it remains "hidden" within the data, or has taken a break.

So, McCain and the Dems want to solve problem that does not even exist. If anything, our goverments should prepare the world for at least 50-100 years of global cooling.


Mc Nut's part I
This Certainly makes us Conservatives feel all warm and Cozy inside doesn't it for the coming Nov election . Going to vote in Nov. will like pulling my own teeth out without a sedative and using rusty Pliers .
We know without any question Liberals are going to win both houses of congress by huge numbers and now Mc Nuts is campaigning for a devout Marxist Socialist Oboma surly to win the White House with this latest GO GREEN moronic act . How else can anyone explain this foolishness ?
I want speak for anyone but my self but this is no fun watching this Moron Mc Cracked up make a fool of himself and '' Temporary "make a laughing stock out of Ronald Reagan and the Conservative movement . I would like to take one of those Eco friendly shirts he is selling and stick it in Mc Ain't ..... Mouth or .. fill in the blanks .................. ! I wonder if Mc Crazy and AL Gore will ride or feed Tofu to a large White Polar Bears (I hope and the Bears want fresh raw meat)as the Camera's roll .
Like Mike Dukakis rode in a M-60 tank with a helmet on since we know how that turned out .
Mc Candy-A...s is wooing Liberals while running off his 31 % of the .... No longer his Conservative base of support .
His Spokesman Say's Not Pandering to Left .. ? . There is a old saying his so called spokesman didn't know any better I guess..
or he has to be an
( Gore ,Oboma and Hillary secret plant ..( grin) .

Mc Nut's part 2
Quote -Follow what a man does , who he sides with on serious issues , what he say's and the way he acts and you'll know how he thinks even when he is silent and asleep .
Or If it walks like a Duck , looks like a Duck .. A member of the GANG of 14... is for Open borders , did bills in Congress with 6 far leftist Liberals going to their side ALL 6 times , wants our terrorist prisons closed and the Terrorist tried in our own courts(SO DOES THE ACLU) and is against serious terrorist questioning (SO ARE ALL LIBERALS )..... who has actually alined himself with the far left ... Mc Nuts is a far left Liberal Duck Obviously .
Can anyone but me ever have believed this would come from a man Mouth or Actions that said he was a life long devout Conservatives .
And Berry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were his hero's to make things far worse if that is possible .
He left out his real hero's were far leftist .. Al Gore , Teddy Kennedy , Diane Fenstein and the Syria Club .
Mc Cain has lost my vote unless he does a complete 180 turn real soon and one suspects that isn't going to happen sadly !

Punch-drunk Sailor?
John McCain spent years accommodating his Vietnamese captors and now he is compromising our freedoms. What happened to the vaunted fighter pilot? The tough-as-nails Naval Academy student?

The next time he issues an expletive against someone who annoys him that person should haul off and punch him in the nose. That person would be a national hero overnight! When do we see a medical report on this guy? The beatings he took most assuredly addled his brains.

Conservatives might as well launch a third party this year. We are going to lose whatever happens.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Some Choice
Bush and Rove determined to move the party to the left in order to coopt the middle and create a permanent GOP majority. What they didn't count on is that, in the process, they'd water the GOP's positions down so far that they'd become confused with the Democrats, and, in the process, lose not only elections, but alienate their own base. Barely 4 years ago the GOP was madly talking about having become the permanent majority party. Now, it's talking about having become a minority party again, and how to revise conservatism to make itself more relevant. The GOP leaders refuse to accept that the strategy they employed, not the fundamentals of conservative principals, was the problem. In looking remarkably like Democrats, they cannot reconnect with their base, and if moderates want to vote for liberals, they'll vote for the Democrats - not the GOP.

They manufactured their own train wreck, and we simply watched while they self-destructed. McCain and the GOP can now add Global warming to Amnesty, and having increased Federal spending from $1.88 trillion in 2000 to $3.25 trillion in the current 2009 budget, they have moved to the left of the Democrats on this issue as well. In addition, anyone listening to McCain's foreign policy speech in LA could only recognize that with the exception of Iraq, it was the same speech that Obama and Clinton had been giving.

Some choice.

Mc Nut's part 1
This Certainly makes us Conservatives feel all warm and Cozy inside doesn't it for the coming Nov election . Going to vote in Nov. will like pulling my own teeth out without a sedative and using rusty Pliers .
We know without any question Liberals are going to win both houses of congress by huge numbers and now Mc Nuts is campaigning for a devout Marxist Socialist Oboma surly to win the White House with this latest GO GREEN moronic act . How else can anyone explain this foolishness ?
I want speak for anyone but my self but this is no fun watching this Moron Mc Cracked up make a fool of himself and '' Temporary "make a laughing stock out of Ronald Reagan and the Conservative movement . I would like to take one of those Eco friendly shirts he is selling and stick it in Mc Ain't ..... Mouth or .. fill in the blanks .................. ! I wonder if Mc Crazy and AL Gore will ride or feed Tofu to a large White Polar Bears (I hope and the Bears want fresh raw meat)as the Camera's roll .
Like Mike Dukakis rode in a M-60 tank with a helmet on since we know how that turned out .
Mc Candy-Butt is wooing Liberals while running off his 31 % of the .... No longer his Conservative base of support .
His Spokesman Say's Not Pandering to Left .. ? . There is a old saying his so called spokesman didn't know any better I guess..
or he has to be an
( Gore ,Oboma and Hillary secret plant ..( grin) .

Mc Nut's part 2
Quote -Follow what a man does , who he sides with on serious issues , what he say's and the way he acts and you'll know how he thinks even when he is silent and asleep .
Or If it walks like a Duck , looks like a Duck .. A member of the GANG of 14... is for Open borders , did bills in Congress with 6 far leftist Liberals going to their side ALL 6 times , wants our terrorist prisons closed and the Terrorist tried in our own courts(SO DOES THE ACLU) and is against serious terrorist questioning (SO ARE ALL LIBERALS )..... who has actually alined himself with the far left ... Mc Nuts is a far left Liberal Duck Obviously .
Can anyone but me ever have believed this would come from a man Mouth or Actions that said he was a life long devout Conservatives .
And Berry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were his hero's to make things far worse if that is possible .
He left out his real hero's were far leftist .. Al Gore , Teddy Kennedy , Diane Fenstein and the Syria Club .
Mc Cain has lost my vote unless he does a complete 180 turn real soon and one suspects that isn't going to happen sadly !


McGore
Methinks McCain has morphed into a monster beast -- called McGore. How else to explain his hard left turn when it comes to environazi beliefs. I'm so conflicted about voting in Nov., I just don't know what to do. Being a Conservative in this 2008 year is just too difficult.

Mom in Wisconsin

Picking a Future RR
Seriously, I think we conservatives should get behind a viable conservative candidate this fall. Indications are that we are going to lose and lose big. I'm not sure Ron Paul is the right candidate. How about TH conservatives submitting nominees for a genuine conservative candidate for the future to retrieve the country from the wreckage of an Obama or McCain presidency? Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity reflect my political sentiments pretty accurately but there's no way, I think, they would be willing to give up their multimillion- dollar day jobs to venture into the savage political infighting that would be necessary. Ollie North is another conservative I admire and respect, and a true Vietnam war hero, who would make a great president but again I don't think he would do it and the MSM would hammer him with the Iran-Contra kerfuffle.

Come on, TH conservatives. Let's have some nominations.

Bleak thought: Maybe there isn't any viable conservative candidate on the horizon?

A frightening aspect
to McCain's personality is the more we complain or try to appeal to him, the more he digs in and resists us. Such behavior probably helped him resist years of imprisonment and torture, but is surely not what we expect from a great president.

We may not have the person
for this fall, but how about Sarah Palin, the goverenor of Alaska, and Bobby Jindal, the governor of Louisiana?

To Billk9, I love your comment about penguins in the arctic. Next thing you know, the enviros will be up in arms because polar bears have disappeared from antarctica.

This fall's election will present conservatives with a stark contrast between what we believe and what both candidates believe.

Write in
Jerseyvet:

I plan to write in Romney.
Thompson doesn't want it.

Is it possible?
That Juan can make Bush look good?
Illegals! Global Garbage!Voted against Bushs tax cut! A real puzzle?! I just asked !
elvis

McCain Is Unacceptable
Bob Barr is not. Vote Libertarian.

McVain
John McVain has no convictions. He "believes" in global warming because it's all the rage. He was against the Bush tax cuts before he was in favor of them. What's his position on illegal immigration today?

Our choices in November are:

Bad: John McVain
Worse: Hillary Clinton
Worst: Barack Obama

VA Patriot: Bob Barr? Not a chance!

Not even a little chance!


The Real McCain....
I know, I know it's been written before and cast off by McCain's sycophants as ridiculous, mean-spirited, etc. But, how else do you explain this man's total desire to rip apart the Conservative ideals of the Republican party. unless he is unstable or really, really is the Manchurian candidate.
There is no way to comprehend the actions of this person. He's like the "dog that bites the hand of the person who feeds them" analogy.
He has been a complete panderer for any position that may garner him some more votes. He has flip flopped and changed his opinion on most issues whenever the wind blows to a more favorable position.
He is a very frightening individual (I quote a previous blogger)and one that will cause the formation of a third party, if not the complete destruction and rebuilding of the Republican party. Ron Paul, Bob Barr or whomever is looking very attractive at this point.
We need to adopt the ABM (no, not the missle)"Anybody But McCain" position.
I used to be so proud to be a Republican and now it makes me sick to realize how my party has completely decimated itself and has become a source of scorn and ridicule.

How About This . . .
If Senator McCain wants to believe global warming, he has that right. So why dont we push him to try to promote energy independence, a more robust private sector, and even better research as a way to deal with climate change? From what I understand, scientists dont all agree on WHAT climate change means to the planet. Why arent we pushing the senator to listen to them as well? And to all of you willing to not vote or to vote for (ugh) a Ron Paul or a Bob Barr instead: when we are complaining next year about a Democratic president who is even more hostile to such ideas, we know who to blame for big part of that.

McCainiacs
The RNC will be to blame for the loss in November. They had to have an amnesty candidate. They foisted an unacceptable candidate on us, we don't HAVE to vote for him.

Freedom, exercise it while you still can.

hey Cal
When EPA chief Stephan Johnson was getting grilled by the Senate for inaction on GW, wouldn't that have been the perfect chance to debate the issue? He had a national audience. Instead he argued that the Administration's approach was a better method of fighting GW.

Didn't McCain have half a dozen opponents in the primary? Why didn't any of them debate the issue? Maybe it's because that's a difficult position to defend.

Wow
I'm one of those "moderates" that you are talking about and as I read this thread what I see is another sort of cult that simply rants and repeats the same things to each other. I see no evidence of logical, civil discussion and nothing that could possibly help. If you haven't noticed, virtually every major corporation has been taking climate change seriously and are generally finding efficiencies and opportunities for profitable innovation in the process.


Is this the best we can do?
It's hard to believe that in a country of 300 million (give or take 20 million) people we could not find better candidates for president than the three lame losers currently in the race. I have often voiced the opinion that we evolved into a people too stupid to survive as a nation; John McCain and the Congress reinforce this view on a daily basis.

NO MCCAIN
He is a snake and will turn his back on conservative principles as fast as he can.

I will not vote for McCain under any circumstance because he is a corrupt sellout. He is a dimm witted egomaniac and will not just reach across the aisle, he will jump to the far left democratic friends in the senate for his policies.

Hillary is more conservative than McCain!

Obama in a landslide!!

Republicans did not select McCain.
The RNC is the sole reason that we have no choice this cycle. They set up the primaries so that anyone could vote for the Republican and made sure that by the time it got to closed primaries the selection was already made by Democrats, Independents and so-called moderates. They (RNC) got what they wanted. - complete Liberal control of Washington.

Daddy Diaper
Hilarious. Voting for McCain is starting to look more and more like a diaper change to me. One of those rest-home, adult kind of diapers after a breakfast of broccoli and cheese omelets. The immigration deal was bad enough, but then he adds no drilling ANWAR or in the Grand Escalante Staircase. His cap and trade idea just added the Hot Enchilada Lunch special to his diaper. I’m seriously thinking of just sitting at home and drinking myself silly rather than trying to convince myself to vote for him.

Moses, my only quibble

with your post is this; you wrote: "He is a snake and will turn his back on conservative principles as fast as he can."

"WILL TURN"?

That's a future tense. He doesn't support us NOW.


To all those...
...who intend to hold their nose and vote for McCain; be aware that change never happens until you do something different.

Ex-Wyoming
I saw your blog essay and left a comment.


Good point, Insighting!

Einstein's definition of insanity: repeating the same action endlessly while expecting a different result.


Like constantly voting for GOP "moderate" hacks, thinking it will ultimately lead to the emergence of a real conservative.


Grape Guy, wow is right...
...in case you haven't noticed, all those major corporations have either been coerced into "believing" in Global Warming or have been won over by the tax incentives associated with "believing". Most of those profitable inovations are only profitable with government subsidies.

As to the lack of logical and civil discussion, you are correct, raise questions about the validity of Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change and you are labeled as an uneducated dolt of a denier. This does make civil discourse rather hard as you so well pointed out with your own reference to "cults", "rants" and "no evidence of logic", thank you for making your own case.

Serious Temperature Drop
Mr. Thomas, your article points out another indication of McCain's disconnect with reality.
I think it is safe to say there will be a significant climate change in He** before most of the former GOP base will vote for him.

McCain Panders, The US Suffers
Who ever is advising McCain should read UnStoppable Global Warming - although I suspect most politicians would rather pander to the scientifically illiterate masses (see Thomas Sowell's brilliant columns). One Shining light in all this - Americans are becoming more skeptical of media spin on GW. Even the weather channels own poll shows we are demanding more debate.
If McCain becomes President and continues this policy, we are screwed.

RE: Red-Up
"If McCain becomes President and continues this policy, we are screwed."
I think we are screwed regardless of the outcome of the coming election.
God save the country.

A modest proposal?
A bit of on-line research suggests that animal respiration accounts for 30 billion metric tons of CO2 each year; aerobic decay of vegetation accounts for another 30 billion metric tons; and human sources account for 7 billion metric tons.

If we reduced animal populations by about 25%, wouldn't this take care of the problem?

We are predators, after all, and many animalsare good sources of food and other useful products.

To the flatuence-obsessed:
Plants are going to die and decay in one form or another thereby creating CO2. It doesn't matter too much whether that happens with a cow or microbe. (Yes, methane is worse than CO2.) That CO2 will be consumed by growing plants. It's the combustion of fossil fuels that really introduces new GHGs to the atmosphere.

Told ya so!
Many of us on the right were livid as John McCain's ascendancy to becomming our nominee loomed ever larger. We were excoriated by some of the most notable "conservative pundits," many of whom write for this publication.

We were called whiners, selfish ideologues, blind to the greater good of the Republican Party. As the good Rev. Wright would say, "the chickens are coming home to roost."

Cam
Perhaps we should shoot the cows into space then?

As I privately predicted, a huge slingshot is the answer to all our problems.

More Denialist Malarky
Mr. Thomas suggests that people who believe in global wariming are cultists, and that "Cults ignore evidence and facts contrary to their blind faith." In fact, Mr. Thomas's essay shows disturbing signs that he himself has those traits. He overlooks the evidence subscribed to by the vast majority of the world's qualified climate scientists and claims---all evidence to the contrary that there is a growing debate over that evidence.

Yes, there are some scientists who question some part of the conclusions of the majority. Some of those scientists are even reputable and not in the pay of oil companies and/or extremist free-market think tanks. But this repeated effort by people like Mr. Thomas to suggest that there is a robust debate in the scientific commontee grows increasingly pathetic. Most recently, the Heatland Institute was placed in an embarrassing position when someone actually contacted 122 of the 500 scientists who (according to a paper publshed by Heartland) had "documented doubts of man-made global warming scares." In less than 24 hours, three dozen of those scientists responded to indicate they were unhappy to learn that someone would place them on such a list. See:

http://www.desmogblog.com/500-scientists-with-documented-do ubts-about-the-heartland-institute


Obama Will Save Us...

I warn my Liberal friends... In 2 short years, you will be pasting an "Impeach the Muslim" bumper-sticker on the car you "used" to drive to work.

Let's see,

A mere 10,000 years ago, the Los Angeles are was buried under a thick pack of permanent sheet ice, and wooly mammoths and sabre-toothed cats were aprt of the local fauna.

I say, let's GIVE IT UP for global warming!


It just happens to be a part of normal climactic cycling, usually followed by global cooling. And back and forth, with not an SUV in sight anywhere.

Acutally, for a few thousand years now, we've been in a period of very unusual climactic stability. But hey, Greenalnd was really "green" when the Norse named it. LA was under ice a while back. The Sahara was verdant savannah a couple thousand years ago. This is all Normal.

The Sun's going through a period of intense sunspot and flare activity, and the solar winds are unusually fierce. Right now, Mars is warming up.

If I drive a Prius, will Mars start cooling down, too?


You enviro-Nazis really crack me up.

PS to johninoregon

I'm an engineer, and I can mathematically "prove" that it's impossible for bumblebees to fly.

I guess it's a good thing they can't read, isn't it?


If 1.5 million scientists decide that gravity no longer applies, I'll still put my money on Isaac Newton.

True Colors
The "Straight Talk Express" has once again shown its true colors. He digs himself and his party deeper into a hole. Congratulations to all you Republican Senators and Representatives on your endorsements of Senator McCain. Some of you may very well go down with him.

Cal Thomas
writes, "but if he persists in embracing the global warming cultists, he risks experiencing a temperature drop from the conservative base that could cast him out in the cold when the weather and his election prospects turn chilly in November."

Lol. I suppose there has to be varying temperatures out there regarding John McCain, he even has some supporters. My own temperature is -273Celsius or 0 Kelvin. Doesn't get any chillier than that.

"McCain may win a few votes."
Yeah. He may lose a few, too.

Don't Tread On Me, at 7:40am
This was so good, I just had to echo it:

"Isn't it odd that the "moderates" we hear about supposedly will run like rabbits from the tiniest most tentative expression of conservatism, but are said to be actually attracted to this kind of radical extremism?"

On closer inspection, those "moderates" all seem to be wearing Mao jackets. Every damned one of them is a "watermelon": green on the outside, red on the inside.



BrianR
writes, "A mere 10,000 years ago, the Los Angeles are was buried under a thick pack of permanent sheet ice, and wooly mammoths and sabre-toothed cats were aprt of the local fauna.

I say, let's GIVE IT UP for global warming!"

That sounds pretty cool. Much more likely to entice me to travel out there than Disneyland or Hollywood.

Higene
writes, " why did the Bush administration declare polar bears an endangered species due to their dwindling Artic sea ice habitat?
Why is Artic sea ice dwindling if not as a result of global warming?"

He did this in order to show you the new and improved republican party which he wants you to join. My seat is empty now if you want it.

Higene, et al
Political pressure can produce varying results, sort of like the weather. Neither political pressure nor a Secretary's statement proves claims of warming or a threat to polar bears.

"NASA satellites found that last winter’s Arctic Sea ice covered 2 million square kilometers (772,000 square miles) more than the last three years’ average. It also was 10 to 20 centimeters (about 4-8 inches) thicker than in 2007. The ice between Canada and southwest Greenland also spread dramatically. “We have to go back 15 years to find ice expansion so far south,” Denmark’s Meteorological Institute stated."
-- Deroy Murdock, Scripps Howard, 01 May 2008,
"Globe May be Cooling on Global Warming"
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/globe_may_be_coolin g_on_global_warming/

The discussion continues...

For the Foundation (1 Cor. 3:11) of the Founders ><>

Hahahaha, Hitch!

Musta been an E Ticket ride!


You know, it's interesting to me that I post that bit of history every time the Goreists post their drivel, and they NEVER EVER even TRY to refute it, or try to make their dogma conform to history.


Gee.... I wonder why that is?

Hahahaha, Hitch!

"My seat is empty now if you want it."


Man.... that needed a Spew Alert!



Seating for TWO, now available.....


(sorry if this multiple-posts. I keep getting that "page not available" thing)

make it three or.... thousands
More than they imagine, that's for sure.

Yeah, VaPat...


I think the room's going have LOTS of seats available.


"No waiting, please proceed directly to your table..."


Well Higene...
...with all that polar bear habitat irretrevably lost there seems to be no good reason not to drill in Anwar these days.

Another plus, the weather should be good for it, no worries about frost bite or frozen pipes with all those balmy conditions.

Stupid comments in this column
Such as this one "Science should never be blind to opposing views" Quite the oppsite has happened. Opposing theories have been explored such as the suns' cycles, the earth wobbling on its orbit and other theories to discredit the opposing climate change views. The IPCC carefully words its statements. We state with 90% certainly that climate change is being caused by the build up of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere. Four years later with more evidence they stated we state with 97% certainty climate change is caused by my humans caused emissions of greenhouse gasses. Now does that sound like a CULT or is this evidence of carefully analyzed research. Thousands of research papers are reviewed to arrive at their reports. both pro and con.

Just what are the doubters going to tell themselves when their lives are hit by one of the numerous tornadoes, floods or drought that is pelting our nation as well as the rest of the planet? Sorry but I didn't support any action to stop climate change... now my families lives are in shambles???

This problem is going to affect all of us!





MCCAIN DROVE ME OUT OF THE GOP

.....No longer will I hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils ...I will only vote for Conservatives and am considering Bob Barr ...

.....Barr has called Global Warming a hoax and wants to drill in Anwar and the Coastal Plain ...he has a plan for getting out of Iraq and want to cut Federal spending 10% across the board ...so far I have only seen him on the Glenn Beck show ...I guess O'Reilly is too busy trying to get Obama on his show ...

OBAMA WOULD BE A DISASTER

.....But so would McCain ...

.....GW put the last nail in the GOP coffin ...McCain
would give the eulogy ...

.....The GOP is badly in need of an enema to flush out
all the RINOs and Liberal moles ...Obama would provide
the purgative ...
he will be the Black version of Jimmy Carter
...Conservatives will be all lathered up for 2012
.....COLOSSUS

No polar bears to protect so lets drilll
Well its not that easy. Warming has occurred, which is affecting the bears, but it also is warming the tundra. Its no longer solidly frozen and the oil companies can't their their huge equipment into the areas to drill as the ground is so soft they get mired in the muck. There is only a few months time in a year that the permafrost is Frozen hard enough for oil companies to explore and build the infrastructure to extract the oil should they find any..


chicaree
Just what did people tell themselves about tornadoes, floods and draught before Man Made Global Climte Change occured.

And just when did this Man Made Global Climate Change start, surely with all that research there must be some difinitive date they can give us.

Today we look back at the ancients who blamed natural disasters on God, or the gods, wonder how the Global Warming Disciples will be viewed in the future.

McCain
I know John McCain personally, have for some time. There is no way that I will vote for him. He is not a conservatist. He wants to convince everyone that he can work with anyone on any issue. Thats not so. If it is not John's way, it's no way.
He has not changed his mind on comprohensive immigration reform, gloabal warming, or independence from foreign oil. This guy panders to people who may vote for him. This is true unmitigated politics at it's worse. God help America. We seen our best days, if these 3 candidates are the best we can field.

baseballdoc
At least after Carter the country had Reagan to look to. I'm not sure that four years will be enough time, you forge the best steel deep in hot fires, it may take some stoking to get this party back some respect and strength.

Chicaree.... was that satire?

BGecause everything you wrote is predicated on the idea that anyone here is saying that the climate isn't changing.

Well, that's not so at all, and that's the whole point.

Climate changes ALL THE TIME! It's a naturally-occurring phenomenon. The changes we're talking about in THIS era aren't even a little blip on the actual scale of what are the typical changes in any given epoch.

Once again, 10,000 years ago -- a mere blink of the eye in geological terms -- the LA area was covered with a thicj sheet of permanent pack ice, and wooly mammoths and sabre-toothed cats were a part of the local fauna. Are you going to be the first Goreist to ever respond to that?

I doubt it.

Greenland was actually "green" when discovered and named by the Norse.

The Sahara was a verdant savannah a mere couple thousand years ago or less.

Mars is going through a warming trend.

What about Minnesota's "Year Without A Winter" in 1877?

How come none of the climate-modeling programs even consider rainfall in their modeling?

RAINFALL!

Gibe it a rest, Mini-Gore.



CHICKADEE

.....Are you a man or a woman? ...I can't tell from your handle ...

.....If you are a man: "Yo' momma is so fat that when she flys she goes as cargo" ...

.....If you are a woman: "Get me a beer" .....COLOSSUS

BrianR
Now you're not playing by the rules here Brian.

Only man can change the climate. If you don't believe in Man Made Global Climate Change then you cannot believe in climate change at all. only man has the power, so only man is to blame, if only man is to blame then man is evil and must repent (pay huge taxes).

Listening to people like you a person would think that climate changes was a cycle of nature. I guess next you will tell us that at one time the biggest part of earths land mass was covered by lush vegitation, the climate was very moderate and giant lizard like creatures were abundant.

By the way, did you hear about Paul McCartneys new eco-friendly car? He bought the thing from a Japanese car company to help save the environment. They loaded the thing on a cargo jet and shipped it to him from Japan to England via air frieght. Looks like Sir Paul is going to be planting a lot of trees to offset that one.

How Much Taxes Will It Take
To control the climate?

We know the real agenda is to control people, not the climate. It is folly to believe we could if we wanted to.
If you realy want to control the climate, first thing you have to do is turn down the Sun and cap the volcanoes. When you're done with that, call me.

Well, Leroy....


I consdier myself properly chastised, and hang my head in abject shame and dishonor.

I humbly thank you for taking corrective measures, and performing an intervention.

Hopefully, you've saved me from having to attend a re-education camp.


jeff....good post!! Ice the GOP!
JEFF...GOOD INFO ON THE ICE SPREADING!
I saw a photo on tv--the polar caps on mars were melting also at the time that gore bore
was pushing his BS!Which one of you have been driving your suvs up there?C'mon confess up!
Mc Cain is right! He .....put a giant freeze on the GOP and funding!With his hot air BS!
elvis

barry
barry asks: "but how about Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska"

Last month, Sarah Palin gave birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome.

She's got her hands full. I doubt she can take the time and effort for a strenuous national campaign at this time.

SteveL.....Okay, Jindal

But this is just mental masturbation.

The reality is that the Stupid Party has (s)elected its nominee, and now gets to enjoy the results of that process, good or bad.

I predict "BAD" for The Stupid Party. Reinforced by the results of the three special elections held within the last few weeks.



It's gonna be FUGLY, MAN!


McCain Answers Question on Global Warmin

Global Warming?
IF there is such a thing, it won't be caused by mankind. The earth goes through changes for certain periods of time and then reverses itself. Of course those who don't believe in God will ignore this comment, but maybe some of you do. The bible says that there will always be seed time and harvest as long as the earth stands.
However, I do believe that one day there will be a real global warming when God says that even the elements will melt with fervent heat when he destroys the old earth and a new heaven and earth will appear.
But again I say, it will not be made by man but a Holy, Righteous, Almighty God!
Al Gore's mania is fostered and backed by the United Nations agenda for a one world government.

Just when you thought the Algorites
couldn't get any funnier, this headline appeared: "Obesity contributes to global warming: study".

McGore
Can't vote for "HuSane", Billiary, or McGore?
Try Dr. Chuck Baldwin, the Constituion Party Candidate. He's clean and even was for Ron Paul, till the Media buried Paul.
Conservatives we do have a choice, if you have the courage to vote for it.

I forget...

Did McCain mention such strong support for Polar Bears when he started his campaign? I don't recall such flaming support for Al Gore's investments in the beginning. I don't even remember the words mentioned.

carlos....bears
Carlos...John bear-ly mentions anything that can be believed coming from him!
elvis

I'm no fan of McCain
but this stuff about him being responsible for the 1967 Forrestal disaster sounds far fetched to me.

from reply #1:
http://tinyurl.com/3xydpd

Sorry, Rick

It's a fact.

McRINO, a marginal naval officer and pilot to begin with, did in fact earn himself the honors as the best Ace of the North Vietnamese by killing more of our planes than the enemy, primarily on carrier decks.


Yo! Roberto!

Resident TH Village Idiot and soon to be disappeared once again nutjob.

Dude! I already flagged your latest missive.


How many times did you get kicked off yesterday? I know it was at least 6 or 7 the day before.

Before you totally disappear again, let me be the first to say....


Sayonara, Loser!


Yeah, I seen that.
I'll give John a pass on this wacked out environmental thing for now. It could take years to deprogram all these idiots about Global Warming. We don't have that kind of time, and the alternative is Obama.

John needs to appear to be as onboard with Carbon Smallprints and Polar Bears and Medieval living as... Algore. Then, once he's in office, order new studies by objective free-thinking scientists who have no Communist affiliations or leanings. Then, while that is pending, remind the U.N. where Brussels is located.

I wrote a blog a couple weeks ago about my brush with one of these nut jobs. Seach "Global Warming Is A Communist LIE" on the Townhall Blog Search Engine.

There are some very alarming facts brought to light on how we're being lied to. So outraged was I when I learned about it, I followed up with a Blog about the Second Amendment - hah! LOL! AND, I resolved to never celebrate Earth Day again. Hell, I might even choose that day to cut down a tree and burn used tires out back =)

I have a better idea
Here is the direct link.

http://globalwarmingfraud.blogtownhall.com/

Hahahaha, Cretin Roberto
Mars has no global warming?

Gee.... how are things in RobertoWorld?


I don't mind actually responding to you right now, because shortly your posts will disappear, as usual, and in the meantime there's nothing quite like laughing at your absurdity.


Yeah, Roberto, it's great that in YOUR universe, Mars isn't getting warmer.

But here in the REAL world,.... it is.


So sorry you're such a cretin, but... no surprise there, right?

If you're seeing Mrs. Fake Captain tonight, be sure to say "HI' to her for me once you inflate her.


Buying the Eiffel Tower
In the 20s, the most brilliant con-artist of his time, Count Victor Lustig, went to Paris and was able to "sell" the Eiffel Tower to a bunch of scrap iron industrialists for millions of francs. He would do it again five years later. This man was able to con Al Capone out of $5,000.00, and Capone was never the wiser.

Researching this man's life for the biography I'm writing, I found a pattern eerily familiar with the modern global warming movement. Indeed, the Count would be rather impressed with the likes of Al Gore and so many others who continually perpetuate such a massive hoax.

The key ingredients to any successful con all rely on both emotional appeals, the appearance of authority/competence, and control of information the mark (the con's target) receives. Under no circumstances must a target be able to verify the veracity of the artist's premise or assertions, and with the concept of man-made global warming we have no way of verifying anything these scientists, lobbyists and politicians are claiming, since we'll all be long since dead.

If you can't completely control the information, you must attack the source of counter-information, discredit it, silence it, and must always confidently repeat your lie until your mark has felt secure in your assertion.

Yes, Lustig would be in awe of this hoax.

Oooooops, Roberto!

This column just dropped off the home page!


Bummer for you!


See ya later, gator.


Or, better yet.... you'll see ME, but all your posts will be gone.....


Hahahahahahaha.


McNut
As a thinking ultra conservative, if I was going to waste my time voting in November, I might as well vote for Obama. McCain is a sad joke on almost every issue.

The problem is
There are no viable alternatives. Liberal, MORE liberal, and Liberal Coming out of the closet.

Having a choice of "the lesser of three evils" is like having no choice at all.

What a lovely election cycle. But, if this current crop is indicative of the best we can do, then this country is in TROUBLE.

Higene
First off, "saying" something, and "believing" it does not make that something TRUE. The FACT is that the Polar Bear population is and has been INCREASING....

Second, so what about ice melting? It does it all the time....and has throughout the AGES...long before humankind invented internal combustion engines or discovered oil.

This entire hysteria about global warming is no different than the same crowd screaming about a new ice age about fifteen or so years ago.

Virtually EVERY generation has its doomsayers, and ranging lunatics....and since the beginning of recorded civilization NONE of them has ever come to pass and none have ever been true. One need only look at the suggested solution and examine the Marxist philosophy behind it re Global Warming and who and what affiliations are behind it to see the REAL TRUTH.
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