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Thursday, March 13, 2008
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
Sex and the Married Governor
by Cal Thomas
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Had New York Governor Eliot Spitzer reached out for the Gideon Bible in his fancy Washington, D.C., hotel room instead of, allegedly, a high-priced prostitute, he might have been forewarned of the dangers in such liaisons.

Such as: "A prostitute is a deep pit; an adulterous woman is treacherous. She hides and waits like a robber, looking for another victim who will be unfaithful to his wife." (Proverbs 23:27-28) And: "For the lips of an immoral woman drip honey, and her mouth is smoother than oil; but in the end she is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet go down to death, her steps lay hold of hell." (Proverbs 5:3-5)

But who speaks of such things today, a day in which, as C.S. Lewis wrote, "We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."

Today's "morality" knows none of this. It is best summed up in what Spitzer's brother, Daniel Spitzer, a neurosurgeon, told The Wall Street Journal: "If men never succumbed to the attractions of women, then the human species would have died out a long time ago." Even the most ardent secularist would likely not defend prostitution as the best method of perpetuating the human race, when marriage and fidelity seem to have done a pretty fair job of achieving that objective over several millennia.

If Spitzer is guilty of what has been alleged, he not only broke the laws of man and of God, but also violated a public trust and dishonored his oath of office. In his brief statement, he alluded to failing to live up to a standard he set for himself. But if right and wrong are to be determined solely by an individual's standards for himself - or herself - then the prostitute, who clearly has a much lower standard, would be no more guilty of lawbreaking and immoral behavior than Spitzer. This attitude is reflected at the end of the Book of Judges: "in those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes." (Judges 21:25)

Many commentators are indicting Spitzer mostly for hypocrisy, but aren't we the real hypocrites? We watch and tolerate the most salacious television programs; we produce soft pornography to sell in grocery stores, displaying it on checkout line shelves, we post hardcore porn on the Internet; we feature on magazine covers women who have had babies with sperm donors they call boyfriends, but do not marry them; girls are sexualized at ever-younger ages; we equate shacking up with marriage as equal moral choices and then express shock when members of both political parties behave in ways that emulate what they see the rest of us tacitly approving.

Another thing: shouldn't there be a law against the injured wife appearing with her husband at these media events? She should be telling him, "Look, buster, you have humiliated yourself, you are not humiliating me. Go out there and deal with it on your own."

Did Spitzer think nothing of his wife while allegedly having sex with prostitutes? Did the faces of his three daughters never come to mind? How would he like it if his daughters were prostitutes? The prostitutes are someone's daughters. Did he not think their parents' hearts broke when they learned their daughters were selling their bodies for cash, bodies they used to cradle in their arms?

Culture once produced gobs of shame for people who engaged in such activities, but no more. Now the question becomes whether such laws are outmoded and if it should be considered a private matter between Spitzer and his family. This is the legacy of the Bill Clinton years. "It was only sex," cried Clinton's defenders of his tryst with Monica Lewinsky. It was no one else's business, except his family. Each time such behavior is excused, we ensure we will get more of it.

There's another verse in that hotel Bible that might have served as a warning to Spitzer and anyone else who might think of behaving in a similar fashion: "be sure your sin will find you out." (Numbers 32:23)

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Psycho Society
Your point, as well as C. S. Lewis', is right on. As a counry, we cannot mock fidelity and honor and expect men and women to be faithful and honorable, either to an oath of office or to marriage covenants. We exhibit contempt for a man such as Mitt Romney for being "too perfect" in his private life. Such honor and devotion to faith and family generates suspicion and derision. Makes him unfit for public office in the eyes of the voters.

Bible-reading won't help until the public decides to glorify rather than demonize fidelity. On one hand we laud the anti-hero, and with the other, toss him to the wolves, but love the spectacle. We are a psycho society.

Good article
but be careful not to blatently judge.

The many years I have spent studying scripture have provided more tolerance than less.

We must realize that scripture is deep and as timeless as everlasting {spiritual life}.

Everyone works at individual speed. Theirs is not ours.

Yes, it is frustrating to witness the blunders of our society. But imagine our heavenly Father watching! He loves His children and looks upon them as a most-loving mother watches her baby fall into the corner of a cubbard. The baby will learn, in its own time, that avoiding sharp edges is wise.

Her job is to stand by for guidance and moral support. Every mistake that child will make in the next 20 years will be part of the process of full development.

God is Love.

More than this we cannot ask.

Higher, we cannot go.

Simply LOVE.

The rest is out of our jurisdiction.


before I get hate mail
Of course, a loving parent picks the child up as soon as she realizes her child has just fallen.

She would never push her child into the cubbard.

But today, away from our very own relationship from God, our young people are not clearly making right decisions. They are confused.

Bring them to Him. So that they might learn from Almighty God...and know the safeness and the security that is truly theirs to cherish.

Desire is Prayer
Desire [wishes] are prayer in motion.

Please speak kind words and consider good thoughts when writing for all to read.

You play a very important part in what the condition of our nation is in. When you speak unkindly, you bring ill to its table. Then you expect good to unfold. Your very thoughts are prayer in motion, therefore make them be of God's annointing. Make Him proud of you!

Be the what it is you would like to see, for yourselves, in our land.

This is a simple mathematical equation. Speak no evil...hear no evil...think no evil...and your desires will become the very fruit your seeds have sowed.

Sptizer is an arrogant scumbag
Enough said. What is really telling here is that he will probably end up governor again. What he should do is some serious time.

PEOPLE! Are you checking this out? This sleaze is going to get off basically free, in all probability. This is our country . . . why don't we just admit that we have kings now, that we generally worship them (whether politicos, rock stars, whatever), and that we should be licking our betters' boots and do everything possible to ensure they don't live under the same laws we do? Hail to the chief . . . .

Nellie
As someone who reads the Bible and believes all that is written in it, the God I have come to know is truly loving, but also JUST. The scriptures that so eloquently speak of His mercy also speak of the fact that sin will not go unpunished.

God rewards both goodness and wickedness in very different ways. God does not just judge individuals, He judges nations, too.

Unfortunately, we have a LOT to answer for, and if we don't change course, we WILL experience the consequences.

A.J.
Right on - but we are already experiencing the consequences. Wouldn't you say we have "Babes as leaders"? The government is interfering more and more in family life - telling parents how they must educate their children, what they must be taught, what they can eat, how they can be "corrected", and people just shrug and say, "What can you do?". We have supposedly conservative politicians accepting the idea that government must somehow be reponsible for making sure life is "fair" for everyone and that no one has to suffer the consequences of wrong choices. I could go on and on, but you get the picture. When I compare life in these United States today with 50 to 75 years ago, it's appalling how far we've fallen. We're in a war with pre-civilization religious fanatics thugs and murderers, and we're more concerned with our co-pay at the Doctor's office than in winning.

nellie nellie nellie
Yes, God is love, BUT He is also holy and just. Sin is the polar opposite of God's holiness.

Some scriptures for you:

1 - It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

2 - The wages of sin is death...Rom 6;23

3 - Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory (Rev)




The Signs of the Times
The Bible likens today’s morality to a “jewel of gold” worn in the snout of a pig.

Proverbs 11:22
”As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion.”

The prostitute, since she came between a man and his wife, is more than a prostitute; she’s an adulteress. Mr. Spitzer is an adulterer.

Since there is one exception for divorce, adultery, Mrs. Spitzer may divorce her husband, but she doesn’t have to. But if she does, then there’s only one exception for remarriage, which is the death of her husband. Romans 7:2 (Because in the eyes of God, they are still “one flesh,” and “one flesh” cannot be disolved except by death).

Therefore, if she divorces, she has two options, she can “remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband.” I Corinthians 7:11.

But if she does remarry, then she becomes an adulteress also.

“So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: Romans 7:3.

With prostitution and pornography becoming as common as it is along with so much divorce and remarriage, certainly Jesus would call this a “wicked and adulterous generation” and the Christian should be discerning, more than ever, the “signs of the times.” Mt. 16:3-4.

Gary Gordon

Blessed are the suits
Blessed are the suits for they shall lead us into temptation. What kind of leadership do we deserve? I am enjoying the fall of a suit, like the gun camera footage from a P-47 as the enemy fighter turns into the stream of fire from 8 .50 caliber maching guns. What a flamer.

Suits, they lead corporations, send jobs over seas (out-sourcing and off-shoring), promote laws for their own benefit and have them named after themselves. If one of them stood up and said: "Follow me!" (in the tradition of the infantry man) Would you follow?

And I am enjoying the jokes.

Hey, baby, you got girlfriend in New York City?

Not just this minute.

Well, baby, you party?

Yeah, we might party. How much?

$5,500.00 an hour

Too beaucoup, I can only spend $4500.00.

Me love you long time, give you everything you want.

Dr. K

Mr. Spitzer's Culpability
"Hypocrisy is the complement that vice pays to virtue."

Unfortunately, in this day age of “group identity" politics, society generally judges people on what they “think” and say in terms of political correctness, when it should judge them on what they DO as individuals.

Apparently Mr. Spitzer assumed that his “progressive politics” would shield him from the negative ramifications of inevitably being caught. Mr. Spitzer was responsible for his own behavior: he "destroyed" his family-life, his career & reputation by essentially handing over $80K to the Mob that he was trying to prosecute. However, I would be amicable toward Ms. Kristen being charged w/ "tax evasion" by the IRS.

Mr. Spitzer's Culpability
"Hypocrisy is the complement that vice pays to virtue."

Unfortunately, in this day age of “group identity politics”, society generally judges people on what they “think” and say in terms of political correctness, when it should judge them on what they DO as individuals.

Apparently Mr. Spitzer assumed that his “progressive politics” would shield him from the negative ramifications of inevitably being caught. Mr. Spitzer was responsible for his own behavior: he "destroyed" his family-life, his career & reputation by essentially handing over $80K to the Mob that he was trying to prosecute. However, I would be amicable toward Ms. Kristen being charged w/ "tax evasion" by the IRS.

AlpenaSD: Mrs. Spitzer
“But if she does remarry, then she becomes an adulteress also.”

Mrs. Spitzer & women in her predicament are not the problem & should be pitied. However, pundits never seem to comment about the other side of the adultery issue, i.e., the “Paternity Fraud” epidemic. According Susan Shapiro Barash, author of "Little White Lies, Deep Dark Secrets: The Truth About Why Women Lie,” as many as 60% of women will cheat on their partners. Why? Because half of all wives have such a low opinion of their husbands that they think their husbands will keep them even if they are caught. Result? In cases where paternity is in question between unmarried partners, women lied 30% of the time about paternity. Among married partners, over 4% of all women commit paternity fraud. Mandatory paternity tests would reveal the full extent of said epidemic, e.g., NOW is currently fighting the Tennessee State legislature’s efforts to enact mandatory paternity test for all children born in Tennessee. Apparently a woman committing the most despicable form of domestic abuse is a “private matter”.

What is implied by the reaction to Mr. Spitzer’s despicable behavior, including essentially handing over $80K to the same Mob he has prosecuted in the past, is that because an Ivy-League educated, privileged lawyer can engage in such behavior, then most if not all men are just as capable of such “canine” behavior. Why? In this culture of institutionalized Misandry (men=bad, women=good) such televised behavior just reinforces the notion that men in general are the “dogs” that society assumes them to be.

This is sooooo sweet!
Is it possible to OD on Schadenfreude?

Struggling with sin
I can't judge Mr. Spitzer. I have recently struggled to stop committing a sin. Sin eats you alive from the inside, until there is little left. I can only hope for forgiveness of my own sins, and pray that Christ's atonement for the sins of mankind is broad enough to cover mine.

MIDogg
I have a lurking suspicion, totally unprovable, that many of the townhall morality preachers spend x amount of time enjoying Internet pornography and that many of these are married men. Also, I remember reading a couple of years ago about small Southern towns, the kind where people talk about Jesus a lot, having more than their share of strip joints and porn stores---just out on the edge of town. And I would guess that more than a few of these respectable Christian Republicans fool around outside their marriage. Do they pay for it? Not $4300, but something and in some way (helping a girl with bills, for example). In their own way, and on a scale appropriate to their means, they do just about what Spitzer did on a grander scale.

There's also a mirror image to this: offering accommodations as a way of getting business or favorable treatment in business. My husband, some years ago, while attending an out-of-town conference, heard a late-night knock on his hotel room door. He was attending the conference as a scientist representing the Food and Drug Administration (eg the federal agency regulating the pharmaceutical industry). When he opened the door, who should be there but an attractive young woman. She identified herself as representing X pharmaceutical company and said her employers had asked her to make sure Dr X had anything he wanted. Anything. My husband thanked her and told her he didn't want anything, and that was the end of that. But the intent of the company is clear: a bit of boom-boom in exchange for a quick drug approval. I give this illustration to show that the concept of prostitution is much broader than just Spitzer and Kristen: plenty of it goes on in Corporate America.

Many who are giggling about Spitzer might look in the mirror.

What the Bible really says
MlDoggg writes: (citing the Proverbs): "So the whore is at fault - that's what I thought - and the bible says it right there. Why blame the gov, when a treacherous woman is to blame?"

Perhaps you need to learn to read and understand the context. It does NOT say the prostitute is at fault; it says she is a snare to avoid. The one who makes the choice is at fault.

For AlpenaSD, aka Gary Gordon, you also need to read and understand much more of the Bible than that which you have expressed here. Divorce does indeed separate the two in God's eyes. Adultery isn't the only reason for divorce, but was the subject of what Jesus was discussing. Divorce is also permitted for abuse and abandonment. I have studied this area for decades and think the best summation of the issue can be found in a newer book by David Instone-Brewer titled "Divorce and Remarriage in the Church," which is a very thorough examination of the Scripture covering every aspect of marriage and divorce.

As Cal Thomas said, once people set their own moral standards rather than subjecting themselves to God, anything is okay for anybody.

As for becoming an adultress upon remarriage, that too has a context behind it, but essentially once a divorce is in place the parties are free to remarry without sin. The guilty party has consequences though. Too much to explain here; I suggest you get the book.



Out of Date
Cal, Cal, don't you know the Bible is out of date today. It is just some musty old book with old fashioned rules about how to live. Plus it talks about some God who controls everything when we all know there is no such entity. (Just kidding of course). What disheartens me is how many responses I have seen the last few days towards you and other Townhall columnists on this Spitzer scandal who defend his actions. "It's only sex", they say. "It should be a private matter within his family", they say. I wonder if the defenders would be saying the same thing if he had taken a bribe or lied under oath. Oh no, they would want to hang him. One of the most depressing posts I read came from a woman who said she felt sorry for Spitzer's wife and daughters but felt we Americans needed to grow up and become more hip and enlightened over sexual infidelity because the rest of the world laughs over our Puritanical response to sexual matters. I am sure it is a great comfort to Mrs. Spitzer that her family is in shambles but liberal Europeans will think her husband is hip, with it, enlightened, etc. How can you feel sorry for someone and yet defend the actions that led to their problem? This is a common liberal disconnect. We have sown to the wind and are now surely reaping the whirlwind.

Arrogant
The governor's shear arrogance is delightful - did he really think he could cross on over to the "dark side" and not get hammered by those people on Wall Street he was beating on as AG of New York? I'm certain somebody did some research and dropped a very discreet dime on Spitzer... you play with the big boy's you'd better be very careful...

Oh the morality thing - yes it’s a sad commentary on America where it is declining in all segments of life - liberal, conservative, etc. We have too much access and too much societal permissiveness.

who will stand up?
Another man of high office and responsibility in free fall over a sex scandal. And yet, his wife is standing next to him to prove...what?
That she's humiliated and her private pain is in the public spotlight is obvious.
This is Mrs. Spitzer's second marriage. Here in Los Angeles, our mayor had an adulterous affair with a news reporter. Turns out she had affairs with TWO powerful married men Including our state speaker Fabio Nunez. These are men with no class to begin with, so they wouldn't have the class to leave office and go away unless by some other extortion.
My heart tends to go out to the betrayed women and children. I for one DO respect fidelity and respect for one's spouse...especially those men who put their lives in public and are charged with upholding our nation's laws.

However, I don't see OTHER MEN making a stand to hold their brethren in the contempt they deserve when they treat their families this way or WOMEN in general who are the prostitutes, strippers and other sex workers they pay for.

A different approach
Speaking of the morality of this issue bores too many people. Knowing that, I will not address that element. My questions are different.

Were any government monies, credit cards or expenses involved? Was the hotel room paid for by the taxpayers ? Were travel expenses paid for by the taxpayers? Where did the money come from that paid for this romp in the hay? Did he deduct any expenses associated with this activity on his taxes ?
Was interstate commerce involved in any way ?

Even if he reimbursed the state of New York for "personal" expenses, is it illegal to use government monies or transportation for personal use ?

The list of questions could delve deeper. If he is #9, then who are numbers 1 through 8 ?

You may not be able to get at him on morality issues, but you could throw the book at him in other areas. Maybe that will cause other politicians to act in a more responsible manner, even if is only until the next news cycle comes around.

Tibby



Spitzer reading the law
An interesting definition is given for "culture".
It emphasizes the intellectual aspect of civilization; it suggests enlightenment acquired by intercourse with the best in civilized life, evincing itself in delicacy of taste and nicety of breeding.
Perhaps if Spitzer had determined to obey all the laws for society and culture, the laws found in the book of Exodus, rather than obeying the law of self-interest, he would have avoided the pain and disgrace he has brought to himself, his wife and family. His sin is no greater that those of others who indulge in immoral sexual activity. Relativity determines the behavior of all who refuse to obey the words of God as found in the Holy Bible.
In Spitzer's "intercourse" there was nothing that was "best in civilized life" or "delicacy of taste". He should try the gold standard of human behavior."Thou shall not commit adultery"

ex-Wyomingite
Spot on, pilgrim. From a Coloradan, ex-Wyomingite, you said it all. It is about hubris, his ego, his power. It was written in the Victorian Frame of Mind, one sees oneself in the pursuit of something, to feel one's own power, but not living on a higher plane, but revelling in your own pursuit of, in this case, power.

Dr. K

Marriage in Biblical times and before
All those folks who are quoting the Bible on prostitution, should also look at the other side of the story: How marriage was dealt with in Biblical times.

Polygamy was common.

Many respected Biblical figures had more than one wife: Jacob and King David among them. Biblical law did not prohibit polygamy, only regulate it. (In Exodus, it states that the first marriage is to have priority--inheritance--over all the other marriages.)

In Biblical times, it was understood that it was natural for a man to desire, and even to support, multiple women. Chinese emperors had multiple concubines as well as wives. And in primitive cultures studied by anthropologists, polygamy and promiscuity are commonplace. That suggests that was also the natural way of life for thousands of years of man's early existence. (That's something Emmerich did not show in his new movie "10,000 B.C.".)

Perhaps prostitution is a reaction to a man being forced to bond with only one woman for the rest of his life (which these days could be 50 long years). It may be what society has decreed. But it's frankly unnatural:

"A woman wants one man to satisfy her every need.
A man wants every woman to satisfy his one need."

For I am your keeper by brother
Elliot Spitzer felt that he was above man's law and God's law.

for ex-Wyomingite
ex-Wyomingite writes: "Silda Spitzer is a Harvard trained ex-Skadden,Arps mergers and acquisitions lawyer who up until yesterday was arguing furiously against her husband stepping down."

But that is actually the NATURAL way women should behave!

In cultures where polygamy was common, the first wife did NOT punish her husband for taking on more wives and concubines. She felt sufficiently confident in her own situation.

In fact, in the Biblical Book of Genesis, Abraham's wife Sarah finds herself unable to bear children. So she offers Abraham her maidservant, Hagar, to sleep with; so that Hagar will bear Abraham a child. Sarah *encouraged* Abraham to seek sex outside their marriage, in order to father more children.

How is that so very different from Silda turning a blind eye to Spitzer's extramarital sex? Perhaps Silda is likewise unable to have sex anymore for medical reasons (painful, dangerous, cancer, who knows). And so she gave her husband permission to seek sex elsewhere, much as Sarah gave Abraham. Sure beats the emotional pain and financial penalties of divorce, doesn't it? This way, Spitzer can continue to get his rocks off as needed, while still supporting his wife in their old age and caring for their daughters.




M1Dogg, you just don't get it
MlDoggg writes "people don't make choices to be snared - snares - by their nature, are hidden - animals are tricked into snares - baited - to blame the animal for falling into a trap is typical Republican hypocrisey."

The context of "snare" here is not literal - it is an analogy. The temptation is there, it is the snare. We have temptations all around us, but we do not have to fall to them.

M1Dogg continues:"BTW - in Iraq a report says US soliders 'accidentally shot and killed a young Iraqi girl in Diyala Province...' Tell me in the bible where accidental killing is okay?"

It is never "OKAY", but accidents do happen. Consequences are not the same as for intentional killing, i.e. murder. If "accidental" killing is through carelessness, the Bible did have consequences to be suffered. If it just happened, there is no punishment. That's what it means to be an "accident".

M1Dogg says, "This is why bible thumpers are despised - they look the other way when politically convenient."

"Bible Thumpers" may or may not be Christian, but find the Bible to be a convenient tool for an agenda. Christians used the Word of God as it was meant to be used; "for teaching, for correction, for reproof, for training in righteousness."



Bluepiper
You are wasting your breath with MLDOGGIE

He could care less what people on here think he just try to cause people problems.

He has never served in no military or WAR to the fact and is a COWARDCRAP. Who likes to say he supports thew TROOPS but wants then to SURRENDER to the ENEMY and RUN home so that the LIBS can SCREAM see another VIETNAM.

He is a true TRAITORCRAP PATRIAT
we should all follow his example...NOT HA HA

Cal is right.
Cal Thomas is absolutely correct in his take on the situation.
I could add that I just read that about 1/4 of teenage girls in the U.S. have STDs.
And I read about the big American companies who invest in putting x-rated channels in hotel rooms.
Eliot Spitzer indeed should be ashamed, and in the limelight I'd guess that he probably is. Maybe he would have acted this way no matter what society he lived in. But we should also be ashamed at the society we live in, because sex outside of marriage is not just an innocent activity.

Life is About Decisions
Each of us make decisions that can be life-changing. While in the process of making those decisions, many influences come into play. We think sequentially and when we have not already "pre-decided" what to do under such stressful situations i.e. sexual temptation, we begin to multi-task in our brain. Although muti-tasking is commonly accepted as an asset - computer programmers quickly learn (if one is successfull) that it only introduces errors and flawed logic. When I vowed fidelity to my wife I took this very seriously and made a decision not to make such a decision just because "that is what everyone does" or "what one is expected to do at a wedding". I have been confronted numerous times in my 42 years of marriage with sexual desires that assaulted my pre-decision. The first thing that comes to my mind is "this would violate my decision to be faithful" and for what purpose. Raised in a family of humanist and atheists I decided to believe in God at age 32. I haven't regretted the decision and apparently Jesus doesn't regret His decision about me.

Jersey48
You said:
'I can't judge Mr. Spitzer.'

You are way ahead of Mr. Spitzer because you CAN judge what sin is. You are not rationalizing it away, like Mr. Spitzer and his brother.

I think that's part of Mr. Thomas' point...we've become a society that rationalizes our behavior based on the behavior of others and not on Biblical teaching. "Well he did it so I can do it too.........I did this bad thing so who am I to judge?.............I like to do this thing that other people say is sin, so I'm going to make it illegal to say it's wrong." These are all man made guidelines. The conscience is overruled and morality is determined by feelings and desires, instead of conformity to God's rules and order.

The Holy Spirit is your witness and it sounds like he's serving you well, because he won't allow you to be comfortable with sin. The fact that you feel shame IS REALLY GOOD! It means you are on the road to full deliverance.

Christians should live to please and honor Jesus Christ. His grace is sufficient for us and he will absolutely forgive us if we repent. Then your sin is remembered no more, it's gone as far as the east is from the west.

Sleaze is a Republican family value!
Ph.D., J.D.: "PEOPLE! Are you checking this out? This sleaze is going to get off basically free, in all probability. This is our country . . . why don't we just admit that we have kings now, that we generally worship them (whether politicos, rock stars, whatever), and that we should be licking our betters' boots and do everything possible to ensure they don't live under the same laws we do? Hail to the chief."
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And what would you say about the redoubtable Judge "Naughty" (Nottingham), a Bush #41 appointee?

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Spitzer is going to get hit with a misdemeanor, he'll plead out to community service, and maybe get suspended from the practice of law for a few months. That's all we ask of johns. Few are even identified, such as in the Denver Players scandal.

When Republican judges commit crimes on the bench, are you out there leading the cry for justice? What about the Department of Justice that has become what former Republican AG Dick Thornburgh called a "political hit squad?" Are you going to call for Bush's impeachment and subsequent prosecution on war crimes charges?

Frankly, given the sordid track record over the past few years, the only thing Republicans should be mad at is that Spitzer tried to steal the brand.

Judging is easy
CH: "You [not me] said: 'I can't judge Mr. Spitzer.'

You are way ahead of Mr. Spitzer because you CAN judge what sin is. You are not rationalizing it away, like Mr. Spitzer and his brother."
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I can judge Spitzer, without even wallowing in that meaningless concept known as "sin."

He made a pact with his wife. He broke that pact. Character is what you do when you think no one is watching.

The short definition of a "Christian" is one whose word is meant for preaching, not keeping.

Naughty, naughty, naughty!
Dr. K: "Spot on, pilgrim. From a Coloradan, ex-Wyomingite, you said it all. It is about hubris, his ego, his power. It was written in the Victorian Frame of Mind, one sees oneself in the pursuit of something, to feel one's own power, but not living on a higher plane, but revelling in your own pursuit of, in this case, power."
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Fellow Coloradan, have you been watching the Denver Players scandal?

Great summary right here:

...The Scandal That Probably Won't Get Aired...

That "Naughty," [Chief Judge Ed Nottingham] whose divorce records revealed that he had paid $150 to join adultfriendfinder.com (which bills itself as "The World's Largest Sex & Swinger Personals Community"), was almost as much of a surprise to locals as the news (way back in the day) that Sen. Gary Hart (D-CO) was having yet another extramarital affair. But the most tantalizing -- and most disturbing -- revelation was that he wasn't the only judge implicated.

Although their federal counterparts are grossly overpaid for what they do, in relative terms, Colorado judges don't make an awful lot of money. Some first-year associates make more than the $ 100,000 or so that our judges get. You can't really afford a $ 1,000/night hooker on a state judge's salary. So, why would they appear on the list?

If this story ever got out, it would be pure Pulitzer. Think about it: if you gave one of these girls to a judge for the night, wouldn't he be eternally grateful? What if you slipped a fat wad of Bens under his robe in the bathroom at a seminar, so he could buy one on his own? Would you think you could get a fair hearing in that judge's courtroom, if opposing counsel had been unusually generous? The mere thought of "judges" on that client list should freeze the blood of the average citizen.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/12/8255/89438/44/47491 3

Makes me think of Bill
SteveL: "How is that so very different from Silda turning a blind eye to Spitzer's extramarital sex? Perhaps Silda is likewise unable to have sex anymore for medical reasons (painful, dangerous, cancer, who knows). And so she gave her husband permission to seek sex elsewhere, much as Sarah gave Abraham. Sure beats the emotional pain and financial penalties of divorce, doesn't it? This way, Spitzer can continue to get his rocks off as needed, while still supporting his wife in their old age and caring for their daughters.
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Makes me think of poor Bill Clinton. Would you even want to get into the same bed as that shrew? :)

Ditto Annthrax Coulter. There's a reason why she has never married....

Contempt
du: "However, I don't see OTHER MEN making a stand to hold their brethren in the contempt they deserve when they treat their families this way or WOMEN in general who are the prostitutes, strippers and other sex workers they pay for."
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I hold people like John mcCon and Newt Gingrich in contempt for the way they have treated their wives. If you can't keep a promise to your wife, that says a lot about you as a man.

As for the women, I have no problem with them trying to make a living. Plenty of single men out there who might have need of their services.

Beastie Boy
You know, I might think more of your comments, but once I saw your links to DailyKOS, your credibility went right down the drain...

...And furthermore...
Adultery, sexual immorality, impurity, covetousness, pride and idolatry are WRONG as defined in the Bible, no matter WHO perpetrates it...

So guess what? There's NO ONE walking on the face of this earth that's innocent!

It's ironic that just like some of those bad Republican Christians that Lilly so gleefully likes to point out, that the NY Governor was basically doing the EXACT same thing - condemning the behaviors he was perpetrating!

...unfortunately, Christophobes only like to point out and condemn the peccadilloes of those they hate...

Consider the REAL source, AJ
A.J.: "Beastie Boy
You know, I might think more of your comments, but once I saw your links to DailyKOS, your credibility went right down the drain..."
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I'll take my information where I find it, whether it is Salon or the National Review. The links are the most important part of a diary -- and if you filter out liberal or conservative spin, the core charge is often very reliable.

In this case, the links are to local Colorado news reports -- the Denver Post, the Rocky, and local CBS and NBC affiliates -- when it comes to sex scandals, they can usually be taken to the bank. The only place that they are all being put together is on the blogs, and this is the most comprehensive on this scandal. It even has a pic of one of the ladies -- who is definitely hotter than "Kristen."

The old saying goes, "If you want to know the truth about a man, ask his ex-mistress." If you want the dirt on Republicans, go to the left. If you want the dirt on Democrats, bend to the right.

Equal opportunity here, AJ
A.J.: "...unfortunately, Christophobes only like to point out and condemn the peccadilloes of those they hate..."
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I'm an equal opportunity guy. If a Dem gets caught with his pants down, he will get no quarter from me. If a 'Pub icon blows a quarter-mill in a weekend of debauchery in Vegas while playing maven of morality (I like that phrase), I'm on him, too.

I'm all for Christians who walk their talk, and have worked by their side for charity. As for the others, they have earned my contempt.

Beastie Boy
OK, so you just happened to be surfing for information and found it there...Guess the only decent answer the left can come up with is to dredge up bad stuff on wicked Republicans...Doesn't make Spitzer's behavior any more right (pardon the pun)...

If you're truly for equal opportunity...
...I salute you! Seriously! I'm sick and tired of people furthering their political agendas on the back of scandal...

...I do believe that what's wrong is wrong, though, I use the term "Christophobe" much the same way that the term "homophobe" is used, because the pendulum swings that way, too...

Northeasts dhimicruds worst of the bunch
As shown by Spitzer, and his immediate neighbour Corzine!

Dem's will have to work HARD to catch up
A.J.: "OK, so you just happened to be surfing for information and found it there...Guess the only decent answer the left can come up with is to dredge up bad stuff on wicked Republicans...Doesn't make Spitzer's behavior any more right (pardon the pun)"
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There is *NOTHING* acceptable about this. It is a human problem, but as of late it has been a heavily and comically Republican problem. By way of example, Bush nominee Judge Robert Somma was arrested in New Hampshire for DUI while wearing black cocktail dress, fishnet stocking & heels. The arresting officer said that he "had a difficult time locating his license in his purse." E.g., http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg? articleid=1073879&srvc=rss. When contrasted with David Vitter's diaper fetish, Larry Craig's wide stance, Judge Naughty's drinking himself into a stupor at a tidy-bar (and forgetting how he blew over $3,000) and threesomes at his son's condo, Dick Morris' stockings, and Jack Ryan's Borg-sex in a cage scheme (I would have put up a few bucks for pay-per-view :)), illicit Democratic sex (a bj in the office, or a tryst with one prostitute) is almost boring.

I guess...
...You could say that Cal's points are pretty much right on, then...

...Both sides are perverted...let's not get into a "who's worse" sludgefest...

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked, who can know it?"

Bluepiper
I’m not taking your suggestion. I don’t need another book, just one Scripture from you will do fine. But you can’t show me one, not one, verse that says you may divorce and remarry.

The subject Jesus was addressing was not just adultery but whether a man can “put away his wife for every cause?” So right there you’re Scripture twisting.

What I wrote comports well with the whole Bible. How clear does the Apostle Paul have to write this before you understand it.

“For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2-3.

I have an eye exam or I would write more. Maybe tonight.

Gary Gordon

Feminism takes another hit
STAND BY YOUR MAN

Thanks for your words of wisdom, Tammy. 160 years after Susan B. Anthony gained the right to vote, women are still slaves to their husbands. Dina McGreevey, Silda Spitzer, Hillary Clinton. How's that for high-power door mats in the 21st century?

Republicans win by a landslide!!!
AJ: "
...Both sides are perverted...let's not get into a "who's worse" sludgefest..."
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Why not? By my scorecard, the Republican pols win by a mcCon over Ron Paul-class landslide. They wouldn't let you make this sort of stuff up if you were working in Hollyweird. I mean, COME ON!!! A 62-year-old judge, busted while drunk as a lord in a cocktail dress, fishnet stockings, and pumps?!?

On a perversion scale of one-to-ten (with ten being "what little Suzy is doing with farm animals"; I'm sure you got that spam, too :)), that has to be an 8.7.

Fine, Beastly One...
...I'm through talking to you...You're far more partisan than you want folks to believe...

...And you probably believe people are inherently good...what a waste...

Partisan Ron Paul supporter
AJ: "...I'm through talking to you...You're far more partisan than you want folks to believe...
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Us Ron Paul supporters get no respect.

No, really?
You're a Ron Paul supporter? If you're telling the truth, then I apologize...I would have thought a Dem...

Yes, really
We tend to be a little more socially liberal (think Goldwater) because we are more libertarian than the mainstreamers. We're anti-war because we adhere to the Reagan mantle of being "well-armed doves," and we are vehemently opposed to deficit spending and see the dangers of fiat money.

I don't agree with Paul on everything, but I agree with him on a far sight more than John "Four More Wars" mcCon.

Not to worry
No one is judging this guy, and I am also shocked that these so called strong power guys can not come out alone and face the music on national T.V., they drag these women out there like a crutch and look soft and dependent. But most of all, when he meets his judge, God, his wife won't be there so he might as well get used to that situation, yeah, thats in the bible too. Typical 5th ave. silver spoon, limosine liberal. I am not shocked at all, if you listen to the likes of O'Reilly, he says that it was self imposed destruction, but I think that was O'Reilly subconciously talking about himself, as seen by his endless soft core porn shown on his program and the similarity of both mens personalities, arrogant. Of course every right thinking American feels for his wife and daughters but stand up with one voice and say pay your debt to society, your forgiven, now go away and don't come back with your swashbuckling piety. Another I'm sorry..........................I got caught!

Cal Thomas article
Great article, Cal. Keep it up.

Sex and the Married Governor
Great article. It is a sign of the times, they say. The Bible may be outdated according to some, but beware, It is God's word. We had better take heed.
Cal Thomas is right on target. Keep it up.
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