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Tuesday, June 05, 2007
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
No More Trust on Immigration
by Cal Thomas
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Former senator and probable Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson brought Virginia Republicans to their feet last Saturday night in Richmond when he said the public no longer believes in politicians who promise to secure the U.S. border as part of a bipartisan immigration bill.

"You've got to secure the border first, before you do anything," said Thompson. "The members (of Congress) say it's right here in this bill: the border. The response is, ŒWe don't care what's on a piece of paper - secure the border.' The piece of paper doesn't secure the border."

Thompson claimed the bill now being debated in the Senate is "the same deal" offered in the 1986 amnesty: legalization of aliens in exchange for border security. He said the public won't be fooled again.

When Thompson speaks of distrusting Washington politicians, he is including Republicans and President Bush, who in recent weeks - in company with members of his administration - have taken to labeling opponents of the bill xenophobes and nativists, even suggesting some are racists.

Among many reasons to distrust the immigration bill is the failure of the administration to convince the public it would hold accountable people who break a new law, when they have been lax enforcing existing laws. If illegals refuse, or claim they can't pay the proposed $5,000 fine to obtain a legal visa, or if they abscond, as many have, will the government then roll out the buses and jets and deport them, along with family members who were either born here or allowed to immigrate as part of the "chain migration" that has brought so many in the past?

In a recent interview with The Wall Street Journal's Kimberley Strassel, the president again asserted there will be economic benefits to the country from permitting millions more foreigners to live among us. Strassel writes, "Studies have shown that immigrants add some $10 billion annually in net economic output." That is misleading.

A new report by The Heritage Foundation says the American taxpayer pays for tens of billions of dollars in services and other benefits to households of low-skill immigrants, many of them illegal.

Analysts Robert Rector and Christine Kim write that on average, each of these 4.5 million households receives nearly three dollars in taxpayer-funded services for every dollar it pays in taxes. They say that while low-skill immigrants paid an average $10,573 in taxes in fiscal 2004, they received nearly three times as much - $30,160 per household - in government benefits and services for a "fiscal deficit" of $19,587.

That deficit might be tolerable if it were for a short and fixed term and illegal immigrants were required to learn English, receive a good education and improve their lot beyond manual labor. But the chances of illegal immigrants doing that are equal to politicians telling the truth about the immigration bill. The Pew Hispanic Center reports that one-third of all foreign-born persons in the United States are Mexican and of that number half are illegal. At least half of the adult illegal aliens in the U.S. lack a high school degree, compared to 25 percent of legal immigrants without one.

In the Journal interview, the president reveals what's really at the heart of the debate: politics. "If people think that a party is against somebody or some group of people, you'll pay a political price for it." He then likened those opposed to the immigration bill to people who once opposed civil rights for blacks. Strassel links civil rights opponents to the Republican Party, but the majority party during most of those years was the Democratic Party and the majority of those opposed to civil rights legislation were Southern Democrats.

If the president thinks this is about politics, he should open the borders and let anyone come who will come. Why tell any immigrant "no" if they, or their native land, might be offended? Democrats clearly believe illegals are potential recruits into their party. If Republicans fall for this crass appeal to import new voters, they will deservedly suffer electoral deportation from what remains of their power. Already, contributions to the GOP by grassroots donors have declined 40 percent, according to The Washington Times. They cite the immigration bill as their main reason for reduced donations. This trend will continue if the Washington politicians keep trying to force a bill down the throats of those who don't want it.

Whose country is this? Does it belong to illegal immigrants and politicians, or to the citizens of the United States of America?

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The Observant Eye
Marcus, very good post. You are correct in your observation, at least to my way of thinking. Keep broadcasting your message!

Virginia Patriot, I would love to be at my state capitol to show my support, but I am having a lot of trouble with my diabetes, and will have to be there in spirit only. I would love to be in Richmond, with you, for the state which gave us so many patriots and logical thinking. I lived there almost two years and traveled its battle fields, honored those who fell, both the blue and the grey. I still much admire the lovely structure, "Monticello" and the brilliant patriot that built it. Few men stand equal with this man. Thomas Jefferson was unique, and I loved visiting his home, walking the grounds and trying to visualize how this man could come up with all his ideas. The tranquility of the house and grounds, must have given him the inspirations. Suffice to say that brilliance does not need to be described, just available to those in need. I wonder what this man would say to this situation that we face today? Any observations?

Building the Border Fence
What say bloggers, would the fence get built and faster if we allowed Dick Cheney to grant a contract to any indpendent contractor? I wonder if Halliburton would bid? I wonder if Halliburton would win the bidding? Sorry, I can no longer type this without removing the other hand from my mouth. I have been covering it so none of you would hear the laughter!

Interesting facts and figures.
Skip: Good comments, this guy looks like a iron lot car salesman about to totally empty your bank account. Now, on the bad side, I would not trust one of my family in his care, he might have some proclivities I would not appreciate.

I am not a "racist", but a first genration American is what I am. I love America, it's flag, its generous people, it's Constitution, Pledge of Allegiance, it's Bill of Rights and the rest that makes America a damn fine place to live. I served in the military of this country, honorably, from '52 to '60 and don't complain about one minute of the time I spent in service. It helped make a man out of me, and with that good guidance, I continued to complete the rest on my own.

I do hold any animosity toward anyone who legally applies to live in this country. If you intend to assimilate into an American citizen and raise your children to speak English and to learn our language, which by the way is English. Come, lived next door to me and be my good neighbor. Maybe become a doctor and return to your native land and share that which you have learned with those who did not have the calling to advance themselves through available opportunities. Use our educational system, to the level you can manage, and by the way, let your children and grand-children use the same system. Get a Pell grant and go for it. You cannot earn the title of President under our laws, but that seems to be the limit. Other titles like millionaire, multi-millionaire, billionaire, and multi-billionaire are still available and within your grasp. Naturally, it depends on your natural ability to reach those. For some who came here it was easy, for others, well they just assimilated into American citizens and were happy with their accomplishments.

Perhaps you do not have ambition, and do not care to advance yourself educationally. You came here legally, learned our customs, laws and national language, English, you are just as welcome to whatever you aspire to, just as long as you obey our laws and work like the rest of us, contribute taxes and some volunteerism, you are going to be fine citizens.

On the other had, if you have come to our nation, America illegally and believe all of the lies and deception being spread by La Raza and Mecha, and what other sponsored by your own corrupt politicians in your native land, fill your mind with hate dispense on the people who have not yet decided to depart you. But, YOU ARE IN MY NATION ILLEGALLY! Your broke the law to get in, and by the way that is a federal law, then you moved inland without a visa, you went through some hardships to get to where you are today, but all of this is not yours, or are you entitled to one of the benefits of the American taxpayer, has to support because you will not want to contribute to the billions of dollars that you are returning, to help support your corrupt officials in Mexico and various lands in which you were born. You are still illegal, and as the laws of this country are gradually being enforced again, pertaining to illegal immigration, you are going to be caught, and deported, along with your family and your anchor babies, back to your land. If that is Mexico, do a little digging for facts and find out that this country sends your country, foreign aid each year. All of which ends up in the pockets of your corrupt politicians. Now if you like that system, and endorse it, and you must for you tolerate it in Mexico, you are not the person I want as my next door neighbor, nor do I want you in my city, my state and America in general. Leave, you are gang bait, dope runners, sellers of illegal documents. You know the kind, look at them in your wallet! Get out and stop entering our prisons, which are better than many of your homes and you become a recidivist. Incidentally, that means that you get to like prison and the underground rules that the prisoners impose on each other. You might enjoy all of their quaint sexual customs, but never mind, you will be receiving them anyway.

Here is the last part! You come to our nation, uninvited, bypassing the law, and elluding it daily. You use our medical facilities, because you come here without money. Then you laugh when you have anchor babies, which have to be paid for by our taxpayers. If you heard that all Americans were millionaires, the rumor was totally incorrect. We have to pay the money into our taxes so that you can have benefits that you are not legally entitled to and we have to pick up the bills for it. You graffiti our cities, our cars and our homes, and keep in mind that we are paying for all the services your receive, and then when you have totally ruined a neighborhood, you complain that you are living in the same type barrios in which you lived in Mexico, or whatever land you came from. So far, all that America is seeing is your bad side. You have anger against your own corrupt officials and you take it out on the Americans. Well folks, read the polls, the Americans do not want you hear, just more corrupt American politicians, who also wish you to join their party in trade for an illegal amnesty, for you and your want it all attitude. Here is an
American saying, learn it, remember it. "Be careful for what you wish, for you might get it in some form that you will not enjoy." Learn another American saying, "Americans are slow to anger!" When they do anger and decide to do what is necessary to remove your presence from our soil, pack your luggage, you are leaving soon. Let's not speak about you arming yourself and refusing to go. For if that is your attiude, speak to any living (lucky them) veterans from World War II, German, Italian, and Japanese. They found our soldiers, could whip, beat and guard them after they surrendered, and they all did. We may have some sorry politicans in Washington trying to keep you inslaved, only in a new country. Many of them will be gone in November of this year. New members, taking their place, will not look with favor on your illegal residence and we are going to begin deporting you, with your families, so they will not be parted from you, and your anchor babies, who might be able to return to this nation as legal citizens, it will depend on the new laws. I have another saying for you to remember, "Payback is a b:tch" If you don't want to comply with that one. You are going to meet some of the other Americans who have finally angered and you will leave. We do not want you here polluting our nation, using our dwindling water supply, further increasing our taxes, consuming our benefits without paying your taxes, using our land that we need for legal Americans, endangering our lives on our own highways, bringing your disease into our nation, they we had eliminated in our country. All the bad attitude that you have shown us does not scare or intimidate us. This has all be told to you in advance of it being proven to you by one of the Americans that you have not yet met, but I guarantee that you will meet me and as many as it takes to return you to your native soil, in one form or another. Like all of the rest of American customs, it is entirely up to you!

March for America Events June 14, 15, 16

March for America June 14, 15, 16 Washington D.C. and state capitols across the country. Be there or be without a country.

http://www.lframerica.com/march2.html

Family Reunification and Money Flow

Hmmm.....It seems to me that the "magic of family reunification" can take place SOUTH of the border just as well as NORTH of the border!

One more thing............ If my reasoning is correct, illegals sending money to Mexico, and other countries, has the same effect on our balance of trade as when we import all our wonderful stuff from China.

Solution: Change the law so that money cannot be sent abroad unless goods of the same value are received. It works for China so it could work for Mexico.



Sawfunner
No, they told me I was Platoon Honorman and high expert on the range before they shipped me to first recon, so who cares what you think..

You obviously don't get it..

Add any expletive your inclined to..

Racism, Immigration, and the Law
1. "Race" is a bankrupt concept. Therefore, "Racism" is an equally empty proposition.
2. Certainly, every man, woman and child outside of NE Africa is an immigrant. Every American citizen, every NA indigene, is an "African American."
3. "Law," this side of Sir Isaac and his ilk, is a social construct but absolutely vital to civilization. As I and many others have observed, the Bill of Rights only acknowledges the existential morality of a free, self-examined man.

Perhaps I have become too cynical. "Only the nebbish would register, let alone seek our Dear Leaders' permission to carry a personal defensive weapon." A few recent, discrete inquiries suggest I am not the only scofflaw who thinks 7+1 is a wise and prudent personal decision. "All politics is local." Nothing is more local than one's self.

As an aside: I greatly enjoy the dialectics churning within the pages of TH!

onceamarine:
" But, there has to be something to life besides satire.."

But, there has to be something to life besides reading comments with which one disagrees.

Why do you consistently state your concern for what someone else may think about Loyal Democrat's writings?

Who cares what the libs "think."

onceamarine
You are the dunce because you cannot see what it is that LD is doing. Just because you have no skills at critical thinking is no reason to critique the content of somebody else's writing. Your writings show that your communication skills are subpar, so if you think you wound up the winner you are sadly mistaken. Everyone who is familiar with the LD style comprehends the tactics, and you only display yourself as being a fool with a low wattage bulb when you confess your inability to understand ironic satire.

You are very close in mindset to the leftist that you purport to dislike. You become frustrated when somebody else writes above your level of intellect, and you resort to personal insults when your lack of debating talents arise.

PS - Do real Marines a favor and drop the moniker; you disgrace them. You were probably some rear echelon pouge anyway. Motorpool, perhaps?

jdw - Lode Star - Virginia Patriot
St Anthonys is right.. thank you jdw.

Lode Star..what do I say.. you have all the bases covered, and I have copied your three blurbs tonight to forward to my uppity but very conservative brothers..

Virginia Patriot..Words fail me except to say thank you for your very gentlemanly way of speaking to LD.. I was back poedaling all day with him when it finally became clear to the dunce just what he is doing,. however,. I am not convinced that it is good policy..

"I", have absolutely no problem with his expressed ideas,. BUT just as most of us have stumbled with him, and we are not without education and experience in this world, I suspect, personal opinion, that the libs who read him will be off in never, never land using it to berate us as racists...

That was my last expressed point, and like I said, personal opinion.. That we stay away from the racial thing.. Gee I never knew we would need black support as we do now...They, are seeing the handwriting on the wall.. They are among the first hurt..

Again, seeing his posts, some (most) are going to get the wrong idea; to me that is something to avoid.. but whatever.. Semper Fi..

Hope You Saw Fred
The man is a federalist and a conservative. I disagree with him maybe 3% of the time but that is close enough. He will mop the floor with the pig in a pant suite, I mean Hillary.

St Anthony's, probably
onceamarine. Down by 10th and Classen.

Nanna, I hadn't noticed an appreciable decrease in the (Spanish speaking) crowds at my local Crest or Wal-mart, and the children in the neighborhood still jabber away in Spanish, even though they're attending a nearby grammar school.


Isn't there something in the law about criminals crossing State lines being a felony? I would think then, since at least one State line would have to be crossed to get into Oklahoma (for example), then the local law enforcement could step in on grounds that a felony had been committed in their State.

Fred Thompson On TV Tonight
Everybody...
Fred Thompson just appeared on Hannity & Colmes on FOX NEWS. It was an exclusive interview of Fred with Sean Hannity. It will be rebroadcast tonight after O'Reilly. Check it out. Fred puts all his views out there for everybody to see. The interview was about 25 minutes (with commercials), with followup by Ann Coulter and others. Must See!!

4 Freedom
Hear, hear! Good points.

Let me guess, you probably aren't too crazy about having the leftist treat you as if you are incapable of succeeding without their special help.

To leftist, all Latinos are pro amnesty because Latinos are loyal to Mexico, not the United States. Therefore, all Latinos must want what is best for the Mexican invaders, regardless of the damage it does to the United States.

I would be insulted by the condescension, just as you seem to be.

Unbelievable.....
A writer goes to the trouble of writing a no holds barred version of how the left thinks about minorities, and then gets branded as a racist. By pointing out the hypocrisy of those who practice low expecatations of minorities, the writer is simply exposing the fact that leftists are the ones with the racist views. Instead of comprehending such clandestine exposure, the readers credit the satirical writer as actually harboring such views. The left must feel safe in the knowledge that their hypocrisy is so well shielded.

It's pretty bad when someone has to actually explain how to interpret irony and satire to people. Yes, all arguments could be put forth in the mundane, very common method of presenting them in a straightforward manner, but nothing quite gets a point across like embarrassing those who make idiotic statements by echoing their words without mincing them first.

The real racist are the leftists who feel that minorities are incapable of achieving; that is the point of the satire being criticised. Too many of you are so busy shooting the messenger that you don't even bother to hear the message.

No wonder the left is taking over.

Politicians are ignorants

I am an American citizen Latino immigrant. And it is really sad to know and observe how politicians, mostly Democrats with the help some Republicans, are destroying this country economically and socially. The fact that millions of illegal aliens from Mexico and other countries are working under the table, using medical services subsidized by American citizens, and supported by local and national governments is really disappointed and frightening.

Many cities, like Los Angeles, resembles more Tijuana and other towns of Mexico than a true American city.

These politicians should be removed from office and put people who really care about America and protect the border. It is already known that Bush and his administration are giving the finger to the average American who voted for him. Bush does not care about the will of the people. He is not governing for the American people, he is governing for illegal aliens who hate this country, hate the American flag, do not want to learn English, do not care about respecting the law, do not even give a dam to what Republicans and Democrats are doing for them. Ultimately, these illegal aliens are laughing and listening to Mariachis and Rancheras with beers and tortillas, while the rich white people in Washington are wasting their time in talking about them, instead of deporting Islamic terrorist cells from America.

But illegal immigrants are not alone, the White House supports them, the Senate supports them, the board of supervisors of each county supports them, School Unified Districts supports them. The New York Times supports them.

Our police officers do not want to offend them. Mainstream media call them, “ Undocumented.” Social services departments give them “restricted” benefits. Hospitals are prompt to assist them, and immigration cannot deport them.

And check this out, this is done even before they become legal residents!

supporting data: costs of ILLEGALS

http://www.amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/HispanicsReport.htm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2Q5ZWZiOTU2OTY1YWEyZDFiYTliNTRmMzk0ODIwMmE=
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTUyZjY3NzExYjIxODU0NmVmYWE4MTAxNTZlOWJkNDk=
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/index.html
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20530
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back704.html

Senator Menendez (D.-N.J.) and other apologists for ILLEGAL aliens are whining about proposed changes that would place more emphasis on education and job skills for immigrants versus chain migration of relatives. They say it would
constitute an assault on family unification.

But other advanced countries have learned that if you allow the uneducated indigent to keep flooding in, you simply snowball myriad social problems ad infinitum. The Heritage data of $2.5 trillion in deficit taxes estimated for the
12 million who might get amnesty relates JUST TO government services used versus taxes paid. But that does NOT include pandemic social pathologies such as crime, drugs, barrio blight, ethnocentricity, balkanization due to bilingualism, etc. Furthermore, this Scamnesty could REALLY MEAN 60-100 million underedcuated, poor immigrants over the next 20 years. That, in turn, means that new voters would vote for a massive welfare state which would suck the vitality out of the American dream... we are indeed slouching toward Gomorrah.

Another thing which easily gets missed... you hear stories of poor ancestors who came over in 1900, worked hard, made a success of themselves, and readily embraced being an American.

Today, there are several HUGE differences:
1) America is no longer an economy with a lot of jobs for the uneducated and unskilled; we can ONLY BENEFIT from educated, skilled immigrants now

2) most new foreign-born residents are hispanic, undereducated, and poor-- they are exhibiting little desire to assimilate, and are being aided and abetted in their disparate agenda by misguided and ill-fated PC multiculturalism... EACH ONE crashes the border as a sure net drain on resources-- see Heritage calculations above

3) prior immigrants were not nearly so numerous so abruptly, and they were LEGAL; this bill IS SCAMNESTY, no matter how much Presidente Jorge and others put lipstick on the pig in a poke.


Inconvenient facts from U.S. Border Control--
http://capwiz.com/usbc/index_frame.dbq?url=http://capwiz.com/usbc/home/

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS
380,000 plus "anchor babies" were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens and, under our laws, entitled to invite the rest of their family to join them.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

Loyal Democrat
The first time I read one of your posts almost made me apoplectic. I was so incensed I decided to sign in and start posting just to "straighten you out". Of course, it is a little embarrassing to find out one has been had. But now I look forward to your posts and read your blog (glad you started that). Once one gets where you're coming from, it's funny stuff. It was infuriating when I thought you were serious, because you have that liberal mindset down cold. Thanks for getting me pi$$ed off enough to become Virgina Patriot.

speaking truth to power, America!
Encouraging news, Middle America-- while it is true that the Conspiracy Of Evil (see definition just below) expected to cram this thru Congress, and some variation may well pass the Senate, we ARE successfully rattling their cages. See power of the other side here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051502022.
html

A pundit yesterday said that ANY RINO Senator will tell you that calls are running against the nascent Scamnesty bill 100:1. The other side IS powerful (organized and monied), but YOU are answering them with what they sometimes fear
in Congress-- the vox populi... popular opinion/votes! Keep up the pressure-- see how just below!
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Have you noticed how many columnists are speaking out against the BS served up by the apologists for ILLEGAL aliens, speaking truth to the power of the Conspiracy Of Evil? [miscreant employers; scandal-ridden Catholic Church leaders seeking replacement contributors; open borders, NAU globalists seeking unrestricted cheap labor; the weird, anti-America, multicultural, PC crowd;
leftists seeking a permanent entitlement Big Brother government; self-aggrandizing pols].

They say that Presidente Jorge and many in the Senate are dumbfounded that Middle America is so irate about the pending Scamnesty. [Then again, it does not take much to perplex Dubya!] The truth is that the remote "elites" see the
ILLEGAL invasion in theoretical terms. The massive, monied organized lobbies they hear most from make them imagine that it is a sure thing that we should naturalize 15-20 million (who would turn into 60-100 million just like them soon enough!) undereducated, indigent, ethnocentric, "cheap" laborers... that America
"must have them to do all of those jobs Americans won't do." THEIR children do not go to schools decimated by the ILLEGAL invaders... the rich LIKE their cheap ILLEGAL help nodding deferentially as they tend their lawns and mow the fairways at their private clubs as the "elites" walk by to climb into their Mercedes
SUV's.

But Middle America in its straightforward wisdom sees through the shell game... it realizes that the teeming masses of uneducated, indigent ILLEGAL alien laborers are REALLY only benefiting a few business owners (who do NOT pass on the "savings") at the unbridled expense of ALL... that the downside of letting them all naturalize here will be CATASTROPHIC... that Americans would be MUCH BETTER OFF if employers simply paid a bit more to hire Americans-- like they always have before. Indeed, the jobs at Armour, etc., are quickly filled by Americans after rare "show raids" clear out infestations of ILLEGALS.

Amazingly, even the new LIBERAL-commissioned CBS/N.Y. TIMES poll says that Americans oppose key goals of apologists for ILLEGAL aliens and the architects of the pending Scamnesty:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/25/us/25poll.html?pagewanted=print

TIMES poll excerpts:
"Most of those polled agreed that illegal immigrants should eventually be allowed to APPLY to become American citizens. BUT 59 percent said illegal immigrants should be CONSIDERED for citizenship ONLY AFTER legal immigrants who
have played by the rules." [Ergo, no path to amnesty! This question was disingenuous-- other polls show that a substantial majority opposes a path to citizenship for those who came here ILLEGALLY UNLESS they go home first and get
in line-- that says: NO SCAMNESTY!]

"In the poll, 75 PERCENT of those who responded favored TOUGHER PENALTIES FOR EMPLOYERS of illegal workers, and 82 PERCENT said the federal government should DO MORE TO REINFORCE THE BORDER."

"Among those polled, a majority of 51 percent favored overhauling the American immigration system to make it more attuned to economic demands, GIVING PRIORITY TO JOB SKILLS AND EDUCATIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENT. Only 34 percent said that immigrants with family ties in the United States should take precedence."

Here are some more objective, detailed poll results which show what happens when the questions become more precise about views on immigration and what we want America to be:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back906.html
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20530

And some about the problems the apologists artfully try to hide from you-- the first is a MUST SEE:

http://www.firesociety.com/article/12134/
http://www.amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/HispanicsReport.htm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/index.html
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2Q5ZWZiOTU2OTY1YWEyZDFiYTliNTRmMzk0ODIwMmE=
http://www.grassfire.org/
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTg5YmRmODY4OTAyZTU2NGM2Y2E3NjY2MzdmYTE1NjI=
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back704.html

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Middle America reads the dire warnings of Heritage about the TRUE all-in costs and gets righteously indignant against the weird Conspiracy Of Evil which attempts lamely to brand us "racist" and "zenophobic" for common sense
reckonings that America CANNOT absorb masses of the undereducated indigent without morphing into what those poor people are trying to flea from. SEE HERITAGE SUMMARY HERE:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm

Comprende espanol, amigos?

Keep booing Miss America, "amigos"-- it speaks volumes!
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CONTACT YOUR PEOPLE IN CONGRESS ASAP FOLKS.... TELL THEM YOU WANT TO STOP SCAMNESTY... AMERICA IS TOO IMPORTANT AND SPECIAL TO ALLOW IT TO DEVOLVE INTO A THIRD WORLD WELFARE STATE... IT IS EASY TO REACH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS RIGHT HERE:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

Bookmark it and contact them often! If you want subject specific messages already prepared that you can fax/e-mail, go here (a GREAT site):

http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet

May God bless America and save her from the self-serving myopia of the few at the expense of ALL.

euphemistic myths being perpetrated...
about ILLEGAL aliens...

Have you noticed that when the advocates and apologists for ILLEGALS state their cases that they seem vacuous and facile prima facie/on the surface? Consider:

DISINGENUOUS FALSE PREMISES AND SCARE TACTICS:

The "undocumented" are just doing jobs that Americans won't do that we must have done... they give more than they take... they pay into S.S. funds they will not get back... they have lesser rates of crime than legal Americans... they just
want to share in the blessings of America just like the rest of us, which they have ever right to do... resentment against them is racist/xenophobic-- they are really no different from prior waves of immigrants who were also resented, but who assimilated and made America great... the proposed legislation is not amnesty... Americans generally believe in a path to citizenship for those already here... we cannot simply round up and deport 12-20 million... the only crime they have committed is akin to jaywalking

DEMYTHOLOGIZING REALITIES & INCONVENIENT TRUTHS:

1) ILLEGALS ARE INDEED taking many jobs that Americans will gladly do, driving down wages, and permeating myriad concomitant inimical problems (crimes, barrio blight, drugs, gangs, illegitimacies, droputs, balkanization, diseases) like a
plague of fire ants or killer bees.

2) ILLEGAL aliens do NOT contribute more than they take, because the government services alone used by the uneducated indigent GREATLY exceed any minimal taxes paid (mostly sales taxes, etc.). Heritage calculates that each household headed by the undereducated indigent (legal OR ILLEGAL) will drain over $1 million in
the course of a lifetime:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm

3) Presidente Jorge has already committed to send already unfunded and threatened S.S. funds south to Mexico, and ILLEGALS would become eligible much sooner than American taxpayers... Gaucho Jorge promised THEM while visiting in Mexico recently that he would work for THEM on this Scamnesty legislation! That is TREASON!

4) Latino rates of crime and other social pathologies are, sadly, pandemically troublesome (the reasons are irrelevant to this discussion really-- facts are stubborn things), and worse among the poorer ones like most coming in ILLEGALLY (more than half have only a 7th grade education, assuring the snowballing of the
associated social problems):

http://www.amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/HispanicsReport.htm
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2Q5ZWZiOTU2OTY1YWEyZDFiYTliNTRmMzk0ODIwMmE=
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/index.html

5)they are NOT just like prior waves of immgrants in several ways... there are far more at once, there is no ocean separating them from the old cultures, they are clinging to same with no desire to assimilate, and the PC/multicultural ilk is aiding and abetting the ethnocentricity with bilingualism... furthermore, America is a VASTLY different nation socio-economically than it was when many LEGAL immigrants came historically-- we can benefit on balance today ONLY FROM EDUCATED, SKILLED IMMIGRANTS, which is NOT the norm among the great unwashed running across the border.

6) the pending Scamnesty is PRECISELY that, and the all-in implcations are egregious:

http://www.firesociety.com/article/12134/

7) Americans are rightfully indignant about the nonfeasance of the govt. which has allowed the ILLEGAL invasion to become an infestation. It is NOT that we are afraid of diversity as Presidente jorge lamely and disingenuously opined-- we
already are the most diverse nation on earth! Ad hominem braying about "racism" is the calumny of artful scoundrels. When polled HONESTLY, Americans rightfully have profound concerns about unbridled immigration, especially ILLEGAL invaders:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back906.html
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20530

8) the artful ploy that "we cannot deport 12 million" is a false argument-- TRUE enforcement of EXISTING LAWS would result in attritive repatriation at THEIR expense-- the same way they got here... we need only the political will to
reflect the desires of Middle America.

9) the facile remote "elitist" PC theories of bilingualism and multiculturalism are doomed to failure. Even in countries with essentially the same ethnicity and culture, bilingualism alone creates crises. It is NOT our immigration system which is broken-- it is FAILURE to enforce laws on the books for many years.

10) as to scurrilous Geraldo-ilk suggestions that "these good people" are committing minor crimes akin to jaywalking in crossing the border, this is but the first of what become serial patterns of lawbreaking including tax dodging, identity fraud, welfare cheating, etc. ad nauseam.

Nee
Nobody is calling LD a racist..But his message when read by the other side (the enemy) has (portrays) a definite racist ring to it..I have suggested there is a better way to put his talent to use..

He can obviously write and well..

But I think he would better use his conservativeness in a different vein of writing.. That's not a criticism except in a constructive way..

I went to a number of his posts..That was MY opinion, for what it is or not worth..

Did you ever think you would see the day
Did you ever think you would see the day an allegedly Republican President and alleged Republican Senators would team up with the worst of the Democrats and the lying liberal propagandists (with their bogus pollsters) of the liberal media against their own political core voters?
I cannot believe we are even watching this insanity.
Under no circumstance must this bill pass.

I don't recall, . .
ANYONE asking for legislation to fix this problem! People complain to reps and senators because that's who we have to complain to. However, complaining about unsecured borders does not directly equate to asking for new legislation. When my ID was stolen years back, I eventually contacted my rep. Did he run to the hill with a bill in hand? No! He called justice and lit afire and got a task force going. IF & WHEN someone shows me that existing laws being enforced does not succeed in securing our borders, THEN, they can judge the shortcomings of existing laws and set about drafting better laws based upon adressing those shortcomings. This idiocy of passing faileure after failure is insulting. ENFORCE THE LAWS WE HAVE!

Our D Day
Tomorrow is the 63rd anniversary of D Day.
The fight against this horrendous bill represents our D Day and the American people who see this disgusting bill for what it is are currently charging up our own Omaha Beach.
I pray we are triumphant again.

Fred is right on about trust.
Unfortunately, America does not trust the Government, or Congress to ever accomplish anything. I think we should send them home, send Bush to Crawford, and tell all of them to shut up and do nothing until the 2008 election is over. They just do not understand that "Government that does less, governs best!"

I am often reminded of Tom Cruise's famous statement "Show me the Money". I firmly believe that the American people's statement should be "Show me the Fence!!"

RR

Hound Dog
Just saw that stupid ad again. Made me just as mad this time as the first time!

Fred wisely is running from the OUTSIDE
of DC. It naturally gives him credence; the People HATE this criminal government in DC that fancies itself above OUR LAWS and OUR Constitution - even more so if you're a Democrat in which case NO LAW applies to you whatsoever. A Democratic politician could probably get away with serial murder today considering how Liberal lawyers and judges and all of the DC juries happen to be these days. It should be a law that politicians be tried by a jury comprised of 50:50 DEMS/Conservatives.

Take Back The Government
Bless you!! I coldn't agree more.

Is no bill better than this bill......YES

Didn't you notice?
George P. Bush, the La Raza member, has send out a fundraising letter for Fred Thompson and many of the old Bush family hangers-on are flocking to Tompson's campaign.

The Bushies did the same thing to Reagan, they surounded him and insinuated themselves into his government. The Bushies also talked Reagan into signing Teddy Kennedy's 1986 Amnesty, while the Bush that followed refused to enforce the employer sanctions and border controls.

Anyone see a pattern here?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4309.html

FLIP THE SENATE
In the next election, we ought to flip the Senate. Let's give them all the Corporate board positions they've been working so hard to get by betraying us.

The Unmitigated Gall of these Senators
to presume that the American People have suddenly embraced their INSANITY legislation speaks VOLUMES about the arrogance of these Senators. Did we suddenly just happen to change our minds in a week becasue the phone banks have died down??? These bastards are scrambling for pitiful excuses for TREASON!!!!

If the GOP had a spine...
they would impeach Bush for not enforcing the law. It's really that simple. The only ISSUE here is whether the executive branch of our government will EVER do its job. If the Executive branch refuses to do its job, Impeachment of the President is the only responsible behavior of the Congress of the United States. The Legislative branch can make umpteen gazillion immigration laws ad infinitum but if the Executive branch NEVER enforces the first one, they are wasting our time and our precious tax money paying for all of their overbloated salaries on the Hill just running their mouths and occupying time and space all day on the American People's dole, abusing the privilege to serve us. The American People do not trust OUR GOVERNMENT to do ANYTHING RIGHT. The TRAITOROUS UNSCRUPULOUS lawyers who occupy the government in DC know that they can get away with doing an end-run around the Constitution because they ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE to anyone for breaking the law and breaking the Constitution. The lawyers have figured this out: Screw the voters, satisfy Corporate America, then become a lobbyist or serve on a Corporate board oncethe People vote you out of office. THE CURRENT SITUATION IS SNAFU and warrants REVOLUTION or SECESSION. America cannot exist with the state of the two parties as they are. America was never founded as a socialist state. It's nowhere in our Constitution. The Democratic Party wants a Socialist state. They need to form a separate government of Blue State Socialism. I hope in a sick twisted way that this insane legislation actually passes so that we can usher in the new Civil War, political revolution, and Secessionist movement that is long overdue in this country. We might as well quit PRETENDING that we are the UNITED states; there is absolutely NOTHING "UNITED" about us anymore!

Wow...LD
LD, sorry the others are not getting your brand of the truth. The comment "something to life besides satire" ---sheesh. Let me get the violins out or hand out quarters for calling somebody who cares.
Nobody cares more than LD, those of you who say shame on him for using satire and calling him racist. Does his illustration of how the left thinks not smack you in the face with truth? Frankly, I'll take that rather than cry woe is me. I don't have to be a racist to dislike illegal immigratation. Break the law, go to jail. That is the plain truth. They come here iollegally and demand rights they do not have. Is that racist? Maybe the LD bashers need to look that word up and then look up what The rule of Law is.

Let's do this again
Yankee - - 4:24 pm
You ask is no bill better than this bill....... ....................................................................................... ...........................................................................YES

Yankee - - 4:24 pm
You ask is no bill better than this bill...........................................................................................................................................................................YES

Jimmy Carter
Where did you get that name.??.

I, for one, have not flagged Loyal Democrat. Do you really think somebody has.??.

I have given him a bit of it. Just getting to know him.. Probably some good guy.. But, there has to be something to life besides satire,.. especially when it gets a little racist... Sorry, I agree, I have never met a person who didn't possess some racist qualities, it's very human to organize communities, but not all the time..and under these circumstances.. This is serious business even when we make light of it for a few minutes..

simple
Build a security fence across the Southern border, empower (they already have the authority) local police departments to go, door to door if necessary,and round up illegals in their bailiwick. I don't think you would have any problem finding illegals, local residents would gladly point them out. This eventually would lead to relief for local police since deportation of illegals would thus alleviate a major source of criminal activity. IF we have a secure border, the illegals would be unable to re-enter (that's a big if).

Onceamarine
I won't tell a soul about you being born In Oklahoma, I promise.

Yes, At the minute, I'm thrilled at the things going on in Oklahoma at the moment. I'm just afraid it will all be for nothing if this bill goes through.

I still say if the U.S. Government would follow the steps Okla. has taken, the illegals would leave on their own. Then we could work out something with those that want to come here legally.

I'm just sick of these people sneaking in here, commiting crimes of all kinds, and then having the nerve to demand their civil rights, as if they have them. Flying the Mexican flag, with the U>S flag flying under it, upside down. I'm tired of our wages going down because these people work for so little. That's what big business wants, to pay nothing, to raise their profits, at the cost of the American people.

I was never a racist. But you know, I can't even listen to any sort of Mexican music any more. When it is on a commercial, I race to hit the mute button. I used to really like it. I won't even watch a movie where it shows the poor Mexican peasants being so sweet and all. Makes me want to gag. Maybe they are turning me into a racist, I don't know. I just know I've had it.

Cowards All
These Senators that won't stand up to the democrats, or our so called President,(and to think I voted for him) The only ones they have guts enough to fight are the ones they don't have to face. But they forget they will face them at the ballot box.

Their mailbixes are full, or they don't answer the phone, and then say we have cooled off. I don't think so!!

Nanna - Hound Dog
Nanna, if you promise not tell anyone, I was born in a hospital, "I think St.Anns or a name like that", right smack dab in Oklahoma City. Shh, now..

Hound Dog, the numbers were larger than that 30 tears ago, I mean 30 years ago...And it won't slow down with or without a Scanesty, unless there's ENFORCEMENT.. Good luck with the ACLU.. there in Oklahoma.. LD would say, racists, red necks, no nothings..

Heck lets get the Indians after the ACLU, I have some native american too, maybe that's why I am always thinking to go on the war path............

Aside from all that, we need more communities and states doing, or talking at least, about doing the same as you have done in Oklahoma..

We need national attention that there is a grass roots rebelion going on..

I'm doing everything I can think of
I have been phoning Senators that aren't in my state. I've had to leave messages, because they aren't answering the phones. But I've left some pretty hard lline messages for Graham, Lott,and Chamblis. Several other mailboxes were full.

I phoned the Republican National Committee, and left a message, that if they thought the money was drying up now , to just wait that they haven't seen anything yet, if these Republicans didn't quit pushing this bogus Immigration bill. The Republican Senatorial committee didn't answer the phone, even for a message.

Thank you RON
This is the other side of the coin..On one side we have the staggering costs to our culture, and on the other side, no decent financial future.. We won't even get started on taxes, etc... And when you toss the coin only one side is face up, but the other side is still very real and not going away.. There are two sides to the coin, but not what normally is meant.. Both of these sides are gottcha's..

The third side, yes there is a third side, is making this a "open wide people and swallow", because they want to shove it down any place in your body cavities they can find to shove it..

I have said for years now, the only way you get global economics is to level the playing field.. That's us and the rest of the world.. Get your boots because the mud is going to get deep if this bill S 1348 goes through.

I suppose we could go to war with Japan and get enough money to keep going for a few years.. How is screwing everybody going to help us.. It isn't.. CEO's will just be well paid slave masters, and the good part is they won't need all those senators and congressmen without a democracy.. Hello Chavez, we hear you, we're coming..

nanna
Yeah, I went home for lunch and saw the exact same ad. Seeing that and 3000 illegals invading California, Texas and Arizona every night are enough to get my blood pressure up.

Onceamarine
I'm right across the border, I'm an Oklahoma lady, where we have the "make my day law". Our Governor just signed into law, a good immigration reform act. No welfare for illegals, no jobs for illegals, no one can help find an illegal a job. The local and state police must check any one they stop to see if they are illegal.If they are, they are to be held in custody until deported. He said we are a sovern state, and we make our own laws, and this is it. Oh,children of illegals can't go to sschool here.
Until this bill was signed, we were totally over run. Had to fight our way through stores. In the past couple of weeks, the aisles in stores are passable . They are leaving. This would work everywhere.
So far the Senators in my district have fought this bill. Senator Inhofe has joined Glenn Beck in asking everyone to call their Senators, to tell them to fight this bill.

Yup, we're fighters here. We'll go down swinging anyway.



If only...
...We could "Flag as Offensive" illegal aliens as easily as some are doing to Loyal Democrat.

Think hard Nanna
We have BrianR, Sam , Virginia Patriot Thinker, better stay away from LD, Joyce, Drfixit and a whole bunch more..

Let's do some heavy thinking because I am betting country radio adds and a few on Harvey, would just about cover the country; anybody that matters. And that can't be too expensive. We need a bag lady, Treasurer, and a way to accept credit cards for money, com'on think people..

LD is welcome to forward ideas and money..as are you all..

My letter to my Senator
Dear Senator,
This morning I went to the Home Depot. My car was swarmed by Hispanic men apparently looking to be hired. As I drove off I made a point of counting them as it seemed there were many more than I noticed several months ago when I was last at Home Depot. There were 64 men and it was 9:45 AM… Presumably, there were more earlier in the day.
This incident, along with the fact that over a 2-year period at my former employer I applied for nearly 100 higher paying positions within the company and was only granted an interview 3 times, despite the fact that I have a degree from one of the top business schools in the country and a great deal of experience. Each time the positions were quickly filled by people less qualified and with lower wage needs.
That employer has gone so far as to hire a special HR coordinator to exclusively recruit people who are foreign-born, foreign-educated and still living in their native countries. This is being done in the name of diversity, or so they say. But we understand that executives l want only to hold down labor cost.
Given my experience at my former employer, and what I saw at the Home Depot this morning, I came home and googled the words “labor shortage” and came up with an article dated March of 2005 in HR Magazine, entitled, “The Truth About the Coming Labor Shortage.” Here’s a noteworthy excerpt.
“According to BLS, in addition to the 8.2 million Americans who are officially unemployed, more than 75.7 million Americans of working age are not participating in the labor force. Another 24.2 million are part-timers who may be interested in boosting their hours. Among them: older workers who retired early, stay-at-home parents who would work if employers offered more family-friendly policies, discouraged workers who have given up looking for jobs and people with disabilities. “
America’s true rate of unemployed is on the order of 42% not just the 4.5% who are drawing UI benefits. Of the 58% who are employed then, there is a factor of underemployment (both in hours and ability) which is unknown. However my experience tells me it is a significant portion of at least 40-50% or more.
I hope you will do everything in your power to resist the efforts of self-interested business executives who want to import labor from abroad. The current immigration compromise bill will only compromise our children’s future and put a freezing chill on the prospects of achieving the American Dream harbored by so many of our citizens and legal immigrants

BrianR
Yeah, you get that some days. Some people really resent being forced to think about a comment; the hostility is in the air. It makes me long for the friendlier faces in Mahmudiyah.


Nanna
Now I understand that fist in the face remark you made earlier, you're a Texas Lady, good for you..

So they are gonna play tough, play hard ball, huh.??. didn't think they were that cultured.. or that anxious.. we must be getting to them.. now how do you fight fire with fire.??.

Aaaarrrrggh
Was just watching the news, and saw my first ad that big business is putting out. It showed different people, a construction boss for instance, saying that if he is able to build homes, he needs workers. A motel manager,a chef, and a woman with a bag of groceries,saying if she wants to get her groceries, farmers need workers. etc etc. Then this ad brought to you by Texas Employers for Immigration Reform.

Guess we will be bombarded by this type of thing now. I'm just beside myself.

LD! -- *GASP* -- You actually responded
directly to someone!

That is a first!

Yeah, I saw your first posting of your comment, and someone did flag it, apparently.


You may have noticed that today there seems to be a dearth of funnybones on the site.

Loyal Dogface
Cohesive, what.??.

Now don't make me like you.. I'd have to go back to school..

By the way.. No doubt they're mad at you on TH.. They have been doing the same thing to me all day..

You know, as an additional thought,.. There, is one line from boot camp you just don't forget, especially when it's in your cringing face. Drill SGT. says: Private, (or worse things), do you like me.??. "Yes, Sir".

Well liking leads to loving, and we ain't going to have none of that... Sorry..

Doctor Raj
"Talk radio is not coming to this issue"

I have been chastising Limbaugh and Hannity for years for not emphasizing the Bush administration’s failure to secure the border. They were carrying water for Bush and didn’t want to make him look bad. O’Reilly had been on the forefront on the issue, but even he has gone over to the dark side as of late. Now that Bush is no longer running for re-election, Limbaugh and Hannity are both finally making illegal immigration the center piece of every show. Too little too late. The only voice that’s been consistent on immigration is Savage. He’s been warning us about it for as long as Bush been in office. By carrying water for the Republicans, most “conservative” pundits have lost all their credibility as independent thinkers.

Loyal Democrat
Censorship is an individual resposibility that first begins with morals, and values learned. The government cannot regulate what people think,and there are laws already in place to deal with slander. Hate speech is curtailed, or set forth, according to ones ability,or inability, to hold their tongue. Along with their ability to take the punishment, or praise, according to words spoken.

Bill - Zeb
Bill you KNOW the lights are out at the Wall Street Journal on anything big business wants..., CEO's be danged..or worse.. Good people do bad things, thats a rule of life and why we have the constitution..

ZEB: I beieve you, but, while Hunter is my personal candidate, we got to have a winner, far, far away from some shillary miss horrible or whoever the dems finally settle on.. That's why we're all just hootin and holler'n about some guy from Tennessee,.. might be a RINO under wraps fellow, yep,.. might be.. Same state as, what was that dunces name who played V.P. for Clinton.??.

Well, we don't want to hold that against the good people from the great state of TN, Tennessee..

BTW
Talk radio is not coming to this issue belatedly as Bob Grant mentioned it on just about all of his programs on first WABC and then WOR for many years before his retirement. And his objection was not racist because of the Mexican issue since the illegals he was protesting were the day to day arrival in the NYC area by air of hundreds of people from all over the world who were arrested for not having visas, given hearing dates and then released to never again be subject to a custodial hearing. They just disappeared into the general population. This country has not been interested in protecting its borders for at least 50 years - and apparently not even 9/11 has brought about a change in this lax approach to our borders.

Fred
No intention to enforce is right. 1 million illegals come in each year. What this bill does is to guarantee businesses the 1 million a year of cheap labor by making it all perfectly legal, i.e. guest workers, z-visas, etc. There have never been any enforcement and never will be, so what you have is 2 million every year. On top of that, once legalized, they can bring their relatives. What a fuc_kin mess!!

Secure the Borders
Put the Pentagon in charge of protecting our borders as that is a more serious responsibility then policing the rest of the world, or any part thereof. We already have the military (Coast Guard) protecting our water borders so why not have the military protect our land-based borders? I'm not sure who would do the best job of tracking down and expelling those persons who overstay their visas, the military, homeland defense or some third agency. And why are invaders carrying agricultural tools any less dangerous in the long run than invaders carrying rifles? They both will destroy or detrimentally change our borders, language and culture. If this bill becomes law the Republican Party may not only be a minor party compared to the Demonrats, but both may become minor to a third party comprised of present members of both parties who leave to form a new third party comprised of Americans who put their country before their present parties.

Unwilling, unable
Its not just that Congress and the President are incapable of implementing the control and security aspects of this immigration bill to their full extent; they have no intention of implementing those aspects.

This bill is a lie to the American people; a sham. Its a massive attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the people of this country.

You cannot trust most members of Congress, the President or the Democrat and Republican Parties. Our so-called leaders are a disgrace.

LD-Trouble Posting
LD,

I also had trouble posting this morning. It wasn't anything cutting edge, but it never made it to TH. I believe it was something with the site rather than the content. This post is something of a test before I try to put the whole thing together again.


doctorfixit,
you are wrong to say there isn't a candidate to choose who will not sell out. You need to check out my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG!

I am the only candidate who has called both parties for what they are, hypocritical elites who have ignored the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people. Not only that, which is apparent to all on this page, but I also EXPLAIN quite clearly HOW the two parties, in concert with the MSM, have set up the myth that only they can govern. I show how they have duped us out of our inheritance with clever entitlement programs and pork barrel spending projects, telling us to take the goodies and go home, leave the nation in their capable hands.

Having convinced us we have no other choice, nowhere else to go, they are free from any fear of being held accountable and pursue power through partisanship, leaving leadership totally out of anything they do. What we, the rightful owners of this nation want is looked upon with total disdain. They are all internationalists who wish to see this great nation brought "into line with the rest of the world", and they have taxed us, sold out our economy, and given our own young people who serve in the armed forces over to the elites at the UN and the EU to do the dirty work.

How many more times will we trust these same people, always expecting a different result that has never and will never come to pass? Why do we accept their propaganda? Why is it some of you reading this still believe the myth and think that we must vote for the lesser of two evils once again?

If we elect another Dem/GOP President in 2008, we will guarantee a future for our country and our children of more big government, less personal freedom, and greater influence for the internationalist cabal that hates our homeland.
This is the election in which we begin the journey home, the time when we start to reclaim our inheritance and govern ourselves as a free people. We cannot afford to wait, this opportunity is ahead of us now.

I urge you to visit my website and see that there is a choice and there are possibilities if we trust in our own ability, have some faith and some guts to do something other than the same old thing. I know many of you think Fred Thompson is the guy to do it, but I tell you that he is just another tool who will be used because he is owned by the party. He will be in debt to them should he win and will not be able to stand against them.

I am the only candidate not tied to any political party or PAC, I have no connections to the money handling lobbyists or the corporations. I have no political career to defend, no position of wealth to maintain. I have only a deep desire to represent the American people and I will fight the elitists of both parties because I will owe them nothing.

That is the absolute truth and I have nothing to hide from anyone. Visit my site, you will find hope and encouragement there. Thanks for listening, Joe

Cal Thomas - No Trust on Immigration
Cal makes the same mistake so many others are making in stating that the illegal immigrant must pay $5,000 to obtain a VISA - this is a misconception as the illegals will receive a Z visa with only an application and a background check to be completed within ONE day (Yeah, sure!). The ONLY time the $5,000 fee is required is IF the illegal applies for CITIZENSHIP - not the Z visa! They could stay for an indeterminate period on just the visa.

Loyal Democrat
I have seen posts worse than yours, my man. We are opened to all opinions, even totally moronic ones.

zeb hardy
Hunter is the man. Now, if we can only convince everyone else to come on board.

Crazy
What happens if NOTHING is done? Because NOTHING is what's going to happen if this bill isn't passed. Be realistic, at least. If this bill falls by the wayside, there will be NO bill at all. Is NOTHING better than this?

Finally, pro censorship conservatives!
Hound Dog
The same post has been bounced from this thread twice today, that is what I was referring to. So yes a post did appear, but then it was flagged by those who felt others shouldn't be exposed to something that might not be good for them. Actually, this is good news since it shows that people are ready for government censorship of the press and airwaves. That will help curtail the hate speech that offends others. Now conservatives are on the band wagon and understand the need to squelch opposing views.

Onceamarine
A cohesive sentence has to be within you somewhere. C'mon, let it out!

LATEST NEWS: TERRORISTS VIA MEXICO
Counterterrorism authorities have come to fear that the porous U.S.-Mexico border provides entry into the United States, not only for illegal aliens, but for Islamic terrorists as well.


And these same Islamic terrorists may also be using Mexico as the conduit to bring nuclear devices into the U.S. for a WMD attack. These are among the chilling disclosure from Paul L. Williams, author of the just-released book "The Day of Islam: The Annihilation of America and the Western World." - DRUDGEREPORT.COM


According to Williams, al-Qaida has already hatched plans to smuggle nuclear materials across the Mexican border and use them for a mammoth simultaneous attack on several large U.S. cities.

Borders First, Profit Mongers Second
Border protection is the first place any real results can be made in eliminating entry of illegal aliens. The second area is eliminating those who profit from the undocumented. This crap we hear from them,"I didn't know they were illegal. There was no way for me to find out." Is an ignorant argument. Ask those landlords, who make that claim; Why did you not claim the rent profits on your tax returns? Ask the employers; Why did you not pay unemployment taxes, workers comp fees, for all your employees? Monetarily fine these people into elimination.
Then a complete overhaul of USCIS to give these people the ability to do their job. Lets find out whats really going on behind the closed doors of this agency. This is where we need to focus our efforts. Sen. Kennedy seems to be well connected here.This entire department is operated has its own country, without the checks, and balances, required of government programs. This could be the root of the problem.

LOVE THIS AD! No Amnesty!
Pins amnesty on McCain and Kyl:

http://www.wheresthefence.com/largeAd.htm

Duncan Hunter
I would never trust Thompson, F. . He was my Senator, and not much of a one. So much for trust.

Ronald Reagan said, "Trust, but verify!" Duncan Hunter is verifiably the one who has fought this issue since opposing Simpleton-Mazzoli in 1986. His recored is clear and consistent. I will support him and on one else. Thompson, F. is much ballyhooed. Why? Because any poor product needs Falsity In Advertising.

Hey Loyal Democrat
Take your phony compassion and the Amnesty bill and shove them both.

If you want to pay for 40 million uneducated poor people with a third world mentality, move down to Latin American and knock yourself out. I have enough trouble paying my own bills without being forced to pay for others who will get more benefit than my own family! I don't ask for help from the government, and I don't expect my government to keep asking ME for help to pay for others who don't even belong here. That's asking too much, pal.

LATEST NEWS: TERRORISTS VIA MEXICO
Counterterrorism authorities have come to fear that the porous U.S.-Mexico border provides entry into the United States, not only for illegal aliens, but for Islamic terrorists as well.


And these same Islamic terrorists may also be using Mexico as the conduit to bring nuclear devices into the U.S. for a WMD attack. These are among the chilling disclosure from Paul L. Williams, author of the just-released book "The Day of Islam: The Annihilation of America and the Western World." - DRUDGEREPORT.COM


According to Williams, al-Qaida has already hatched plans to smuggle nuclear materials across the Mexican border and use them for a mammoth simultaneous attack on several large U.S. cities.

thinker
I watched Pat Buchanan when he made the speech at the 1992 GOP convention about there being a cultural war, open borders, and the US being the provider for the entire world. He was criticized and some said his "extremism" cost Bush the election. Nothing further from the truth. Senior lost because he alienated the base with "Read my lips, no new taxes." Buchanan was ahead of his time. People are just starting to realize what he was saying.

New World Order
Amnesty is just the next step on the road to the North America Union. First NAFTA, CAFTA and other "free trade agreements", then the expansion of Eminent Domain, then the SPP (http://www.spp.gov/), then the Superhighway, Mexican truckers bill, now this unbelievably dangerous Amnesty bill. All brought to you by the Council on Foreign Relations and the US Chamber of Congress representing global corporatists.

And the North American Union is just the step before an eventual merge with the EU. A New World Order. And a total loss of American sovereignty. They have been putting the laws and rulings in place for decades now. And it's picking up speed. We will just be the pawns who pay for it all

God help us.

PEEPEL!!! PEEPEL!!!! YO, PEEPEL!!!!!
DOCTOR FIXIT GOT IT RIGHT....
I constantly see the Rep/Dem middle finger in front of my face...

ex-Tex
yea, me too....uuuurrrrrgggghhhh...

Do you suppose they were all paid off, one way or the other, or do we really have that many stupids with rank in this country.........????????.......

LD
You really do need to rewrite "Viva Amnesty"... The letters all run together, and apostrophes look like commas in the line above..

Now also seriously, you carry things a little far..

I don't critize your right to write, but it's very harsh..

We're all trying not to sound like racists, and you do..

Frankly, I wouldn't be offended if I found it in the bathroom, mens bathroom, but out in plain view of the world.??.

I think you should go to different college, but that's just me..

Maybe I could get used to it, maybe,.. I hope not..

Freedom of Migration Act
Hak:

Nothing is wrong with it as long as you support third world wages and a quality of life that can be found in say Dhaka.


Some RINOS to blame...
Here is the last paragraph of the opinion piece'o
bull sh** these RINOs wrote for the Dallas Morning News. I will never forget these names! A handy list of traitors!



"The Senate framework will allow us to go on attracting immigrants and maintain the rule of law, too. The benefits of the bill far outweigh its shortcomings. We believe it offers the only realistic way forward, and urge conservatives — and all Americans — to embrace the promise it holds out.


SIGNED BY:

Jack Kemp, former New York congressman

Jeb Bush, former governor of Florida

Ken Mehlman, former chairman, Republican National Committee

Tamar Jacoby, senior fellow, Manhattan Institute

James Q. Wilson, professor of public policy, Pepperdine University

Bill Paxon, former New York congressman

Michael Gerson, senior fellow, Council on Foreign Relations

Hector Barreto, chairman, The Latino Coalition

Ken Weinstein, CEO, Hudson Institute

Lawrence Kudlow, economics editor, National Review Online

Linda Chavez, chairman, Center for Equal Opportunity

Charlie Black, chairman, BKSH & Associates

Mike Murphy, Republican strategist

Francis Fukuyama, professor of political economy, Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies

Max Boot, senior fellow, Council on Foreign Relations

Richard Gilder, partner, Gilder Gagnon Howe & Co., LLC

Jeff Bell, principal, Capital City Partners

Steven Wagner, former director, Human Trafficking Program, Department of Health and Human Services

Gregory Mankiw, professor of economics, Harvard University

Donald J. Boudreaux, chairman, Economics Department, George Mason University

Philip I. Levy, resident scholar, American Enterprise Institute

Kevin Hassett, director of economic policy studies, American Enterprise Institute

Jerry Bowyer, chairman, Bowyer Media

Clint Bolick, senior fellow, Goldwater Institute

Robert de Posada, president, The Latino Coalition

Gary Rosen, managing editor, Commentary

Joseph Bottum, editor, First Things

John McWhorter, senior fellow, Manhattan Institute

Larry Cirignano, Catholic activist

Pancho Kinney, former director of strategy, White House Office of Homeland Security

Hound Dog
YES! - and still no comments....ssstrange...
I am afraid you are right (and he is left)...

BTW - anybody wants a half of front door???
Why not??? Majority, I am told, want less than 2000 miles of southern fence...
Remember how Pat Buchanan was scorned and ostracized after proposing closing the borders?

Welcome to "New New" Mexico
Cal is right on. Florida, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California: you should know your elected "representatives" do not represent you, they represent the rich oligarch families, like the Bush family, and the employers, and the political elites, and the socialist university elites. This is just one area, albeit a big one, where it is now clear that our political class doesn't give a damn about ordinary American citizens. It's not going to change, it will not be reformed. Americans: our political system is your mortal enemy. It wants to destroy you, destroy your family, your language, your heritage, your laws, your customs, your history, everything about you. Don't bother voting. There is no candidate who is not a sellout. Don't try to "work within the system". You will wind up carrying their water - a stooge, a useful idiot.

VOTING ONLY FOR:
I was very impressed after reading Tom Tancredo's book: "In Mortal Danger: The Battle for America's Border and Security"
however, I think that only Duncan Hunter voices amnesty objections loudly in public.
Just read this:
"The Senate’s decision to blatantly ignore the Secure Fence Act signed into law last year and only require construction of 370 miles of fence, as opposed to the 854 miles mandated by the law, is a dramatic failure of this legislation. The San Diego border fence has proven that fencing works." - congressman Duncan Hunter.

SSGTRET
Mister, once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken ;)
I still have problems with believeing in your version of LD...
I wish you're right and he is not left... :)

LD
Now, now,.. You got a straight face, but your dandruff is showing.. OK, I'll bite.. I'll go look at your post..

Gung Ho, amigos..

Loyal Democrat
When were your posts ever bounced? Your posts appeared on TH more than most people. The fact that your latest comments have been posted is evidence that no one is censoring you. You like the posters who compliment your style, but maybe you are just a little sensitive when someone tells you that your style is getting tiresome. Could your detractors be right, that you just another lib who can dish it out, but can't take it?

My Post on Right said Fred
Fred Thompson
Nanna: that was the best punch line I have read all day.. punch them in the nose indeed, yes, indeed..

I am slowly warming up to FRED.. I'm a little cautious as to whether we've got another RINO::,..

Like him, yes, who wouldn't.. let's see who he picks for a running mate.. What I do see clearly, is a man I would much rather have in the oval office than those other big three..

BrianR
So Far So Good! My Horse Farted A LOT this weekend, so I expect Al Bore to arrest me any day :)!

Censorship, not just for leftists!
Isn't it amazing how my posts manage to keep getting bounced from this column by supposedly conservative readers? In looking at my critics, it is apparent that they will only tolerate opinions and methods that they personally approve of, and the fact that other TH readers enjoy the posts is irrelevant.

TH is officially a college campus; diverse ideas are fine so long as they align with the majority.

These critics must be amusing to watch when they enter a bookstore or library. They likely go up to the person working at the counter and demand that all of the books that they personally dislike be removed from the shelves. After all, if they don't like the style and content written by an author, then nobody should be exposed to such material.

For those who actually like to view thoughts written from a different angle and don't mind being challenged to think, you'll have to read my post regarding amnesty on my blog. Click on my post name above, and let the censoring whiners have at this thread.

Georgetwin!
How ya doing?

Hell, MO, I'm easy
Anyone except Giuliani or McVain.

What more do you need to know?
Kennedy & McLame are sponsors of this bill. If that doesn't spell trouble for America, WHAT DOES?!

Hey, BrianR! Good Afternoon, Buddy!

MyOpine
"Will phone calls & e-mail do it?"

A simple email to your congressman works wonders. Pretty hard to call them because they are always so busy. But, they have ways of tallying emails by issues, and they can how many constituents contact them regarding each issue.

I wish someone would come up with a poll on TH to determine posters' choice for the GOP nomination. I will vote for any of these: Hunter, Paul and Tancredo, and possibly Huckabee or Thompson. TH posters can then unite behind the winner of the poll and spread the candidate's name to as many people as possible through word of mouth.

Can't win if the conservatives vote for four different candidates.

Gabby onceamarine
Gabby - it was the precise plan of Ted the killer in 1965 - to have dominant uneducated masses voting for Dems..

onceamarine - no problem;)...
it's hard to get all nuances from a letter....
thus my questions about LD...

You guys are a hoot!
Oncemarine, it'll work out. LOL

Thinker; once you get used to his style, he's a riot. He zapped me good, too, when he first started posting (I was on the site before him). I wrote some really scathing denunciation, which I thought was actually quite good, only to find out I'd been had.

Took a while for the dried egg to come off my face.

Thinker
Sorry about that last post.. Mama's little baby shouldn't be looking over his shoulder like a dumb nuts..

Aw, forget it, I went back and reread a number of posts, and got stupid all over my post to you..

Thinker
Now who is it BrianR doesn't know.. and why..??.. Surely not anyone..??.. who is a serious poster..

DeskJockey
You do write extremely well.. and use very good logic.. hang in there.. It's them or us,.. and I am no racist when it comes to Latins.. Just a patriot when it comes to America.. Let's Legalize, "Legal".. Platitudes are the only thing the azzes can give us..

That is why I am here in TH,.. There is no other danger I have seen in my lifetime comparable to this sick "giver-ment", as you say so well,..

Thank you, and Semper Fi...

Some illegal alians = household pests
I believe all immigrants should be welcome to our wonderful country, there is still plenty of living room here; BUT ONLY IF they can become legalized and educated to appreciate American Rights (responsible freedoms). Some are responsible and are good workers, but many aren't.

Parable: Mice are all around us, in our yards and woods. But we don't allow them to immigrate into our house, because they only want to eat free food (can't work for it or prepare it themselves) and they leave their crap behind. We have 4 border patrol cats (2 inside, 2 outside) who love to chase and eat mice. If we allowed mice to come in and make themselves at home, after a few years of their nesting, multiplying, eating and crapping, it would totally ruin our home. Mice could be very useful for house cleaning, if they could be trained to clean all the scraps, nest with sanitation practices, and go to the bathroom properly.

Please vote against the proposed immigration reform bill - S.1348. Thank you.

Have a wonderful, free American day

BrianR, LD, D. Hunter
his site only repeats his statements plus copies others....but-----
I WISH I WAS WRONG!!!!!(one of those rare ;) occurences)!!!
I want to believe you !
Can't believe you-know-who!!!

Now, something for MCCain, who said the laws (like building the fence) are unenforceable:

"The Senate’s decision to blatantly ignore the Secure Fence Act signed into law last year and only require construction of 370 miles of fence, as opposed to the 854 miles mandated by the law, is a dramatic failure of this legislation. The San Diego border fence has proven that fencing works." - congressman Duncan - FOR PRESIDENT, I SAY!!!!

Oncemarine, re Roberto
He is a very weird dude. I had a very surreal convo with him yesterday on one of the columns, can't remember which one, but it was like talking to a stoner.


Thinker
Why don't you go check out LD's blog? All you've got to do is click on his underlined name.

What a bunch of sourpusses.

Craig, oncemarine
C'mon, guys, lighten up! He gets us all when we first start up here.

I bet you guys didn't like "Animal House" either.

Gotta have some humor about all this.

BrianR Craig C
Loyal Democrat is just that - a leftist imbecile, who avoids criticism under an umbrella created by you calling it a "satire".
If it were a satire, we, or newcomers, would get a hint from time to time- but it never has happened.
Questions to LD:
1. if we are to forgive breaking of several laws (illegal entry, forging documents, stealing SS#), where do we stop? After child molesters and rapists, or "only" after mass murderers?
2. If an illegal mex kills in USA and hides in Mehiko, he will NOT be extradited. Do you like that?
3.The whole world wants to be here - it is still the best country, regardless of idiots like you.
4. NAUnion will only move the southern border further south- to Guatemala etc., then further south and again further....with no end
5. you may help anybody you wish, just get your hands out of our pockets - CAPISCE???

John Konop
"Why would you trust Bush?"

Great question. Bush says this bill is in the best interest of this country. This is the same man who stole the election of 2000. Bush lied, people died. He lied about WMDs. He got us into an illegal war that's killing thousands of American soldiers. He torture prisoners. He talks to God. Big Oil and Haliburton is making him rich.

Liberals are 100% right. Bush cannot be trusted. I call upon all liberals to join us in stopping this madman.

Calling
I have called my Senators, and Congressman, I've been phoning, and faxing, and emailing for months now... Now what doI do? Got to do more. My Senators, and Congressman assured me that they are fighting this bill.

This is a life and death issue for all Americans.

BrianR
Went back and read LD.. which I hadn't done.. just saw your post beneath it..

OK, so he lampoons demos.. I still don't like it.. Does he have a higher IQ, or just likes being a maverick republican writer and watch all the dopes, like a bunch of us, withering and turning red, white and blue.??.

I don't get it.. Somebody should change his label.. Maybe, "This ain't for real".??. or "Smoke a joint before you read me"..

Reading through these posts....
I had to stop at Hak's post. Seems to me YOU, sir, have no clue about the dangers of illegal immigration. I'm doubtful that you have ever had to deal with this problem personally. You rely on an opinion based website and youtube to prove your point? BULL PUCKY! Take it from someone who has been there, done that, seen it, suffered from it. Illegals are not American and should never be American. Period! They have not EARNED the right to call themselves American. Try LIVING the nightmare of life among illegals. You'd change your tune in a hurry. That goes for anyone else who seems to think we Americans have to shoulder every body else's ills.

BrianR
I know what LD is doing. As onceamarine says, it is getting tiresome.

BrianR
Yes, he is a satirist, but I still don't like it.. besides it's fun to backside him, and the real dopes who stumble into the column should hear a serious reply to those endless stupidities of his..

By the way, don't know if you saw a post I did to you on Robert and that GunnyG thing..

Dried Robert up better than diapers..

At least he writes better than LD.. that guy pees me off.. guess I'll program this to jump over him so I don't even realize he's even stinking there..

LOL, LD
You're zapping them left and right!

I agree there.....
"What is being said is that Fred is the only one WHO CAN GET THE NOMINATION who is against the Illegals."


Tancredo kissed the nomination goodbye with Brownback and Huckabee when he raised his hand in response to Chris Matthews' loaded question "Who doesn't believe in evolution"?

Will phone calls & e-mail do it?
This will give you an idea of how much they value our input.
http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/printer_friendly.pl?page=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/3/26/204713.shtml?=al

I think we should organize a National Strike before our Legislators disable rank & file communications.
That is the one thing they can't ignore!

McCain is already trying to prevent grassroots communication.

Craig C - LD
you put LD where he's always been,.. in the stupid house,

No LD, it is not racism for most of us, it is good sense and patriotism to keep our country on the right track...

If you have seen several of my posts you would at least suspect that I am not a racist, not the way you mean.. We are trying to protect the American melting pot from dying before its two hundred and fiftieth birthday..

You got some illegals at your house too.??.

Would you recommend we let them all in, because that is what this bill leads up to as surely as it will get cold this December in the northern hemisphere..

What are those numbers.??. About 4,500,000,000 very poor in this world and increasing by 80,000,000 to 90,000,000 per year...

How many do you want for christmas.. Join the Peace Corp or anything, and go there where they live, and help these people, because they won't fit into your garage or anybody elses..


Deskjockey
Good analysis of the socialists' plan for Amerika and the Dems (soon to be the Collectivist Republic of Americka Party).

Craig, looks like
you got zapped, too.

LD is a satirist. He lampoons Dems.

Craig...
Fair enough.

Change Irish to Canadian.

Maybe my post wasn't worded well.

Obviously breaking the law is breaking the law, and immigration violations should be prosecuted, but all I asked was if the argument would not be quite as shrill if the folks immigrating weren't brown and spanish speaking...

Maybe I'm nuts.

kgregt
"He's just come to the anti-amnesty side b/c it's politically expedient right now. How can people say he's the only one who's spoken up about it? Tancredo and Hunter are the ones who are sincere about it, not Thompson"

And you have proof that Fred is lying? Nobody here has stated that he is the only one against the Illegals. What is being said is that Fred is the only one WHO CAN GET THE NOMINATION who is against the Illegals.

Ad nauseum
As to that OTM thing you brought up..

Yea, they came on visas.. let their visas expire and automatically converted them selves into ILLEGALS..

Plain and simple.. Nobody cares what color they are or wear they were born, least of all me, illegal is illegal..

LD
Another dopey post. Thanx for your input. Sarcasm intended.

Maverick
Thanks for the label "intelectuals", no not necessarily, just smart enough to move on and leave the RINOs behind..

We're reformers, trying to get the GOP back on track, where any self respecting American would want to be..

You and Robert got how many Illegals stashed at your house.??., How much are you charging for the garage with 15 of them sleeping there.??.

nanna
If the NAU scares you, be sure to write to (and call) your representatives in Congress and the Senate. The more they hear from all of us, the greater the chance this looming disaster will be thwarted.

Censored once, shall we go for twice?
The hysteria over the influx of illegal immigrants only serves to provide fodder for the argument that the anti amnesty crowd is racist. Those that issue protests over the illegality of the method used by those that are migrating over our southern border, take issue with the increase in crime that occurs, and reject the notion that illegal aliens should have access to American social service programs are racist at heart.

The pro amnesty coalition recognizes that individuals of Hispanic descent simply have a pressing need to circumvent our immigration laws because their own country can never become a prosperous, self-sufficient entity. Since the Mexicans lack the skills necessary to operate a productive nation, we should welcome them into ours. By doing that, we recognize their lack of talent and bless them with our own superior skills at managing a government.

As for the increase in domestic crime that results from the presence of the illegals, the pro amnesty coalition readily accepts this as a cultural characteristic of those of Hispanic origin. It is common knowledge that Hispanics lack the ability to conduct themselves within the guidelines of a civilized society, and only a racist would expect otherwise. Conversely, rather than celebrate this example of diversity, anti amnesty protesters complain about the increased crime. Such a reaction only proves anti amnesty proponents are bigoted against the Hispanic cultural difference. Such people expect Hispanics to obey the law, once again displaying their intolerance of those who are different.

Finally, the anti amnesty crowd expects Hispanics to be productive members of society, whereas the pro amnesty force realizes that Hispanics cannot make ends meet without government assistance. Hispanics require handouts in order to survive, and given our superior ability to achieve, it is up to those of us that live north of the border to care for the illegal aliens from the south. Just as one cannot expect the family dog or pet hamster to be self sufficient, it is equally wrong to expect a Hispanic to have such skills.


Hunter Exposes McCain On Immigration


Republican Presidential candidate Duncan Hunter articulates as well as anyone all that’s wrong with the senate’s comprehensive immigration reform bill.

Please see his statement below.

HUNTER EXPRESSES “FIERCE DISAPPOINTMENT” OVER SENATE AMNESTY PROPOSAL

Duncan Hunter: I vow to oppose this legislation supported by Senators Edward Kennedy and John McCain. It provides a vast new immigration benefit to millions of illegal aliens who have broken our laws to live in the United States. I opposed the 1986 amnesty act because of this same reason. It proved to be the draw that we predicted it would be. I am deeply disappointed to see history repeating itself.

This package will confirm to the world that the U.S. does not really mean what it says when it comes to immigration enforcement. As a result of the citizenship benefit included in this legislation, despite the fine print, we will see a stampede across our borders.

This vast new amnesty and expansive guest worker program will surely be ridden with fraud and abuse, and ultimately lead to millions of public-assistance-dependent immigrants.

The Senate’s decision to blatantly ignore the Secure Fence Act signed into law last year and only require construction of 370 miles of fence, as opposed to the 854 miles mandated by the law, is a dramatic failure of this legislation. The San Diego border fence has proven that fencing works. The time has come to quickly implement the Secure Fence Act, not retreat from its mandates.

I believe that this package will result in lower wages for America’s already-struggling families by encouraging the importation of cheap foreign labor rather than investing, developing and growing a domestic workforce that will sustain our economy far into the future.

Amnesty is not the answer. Border enforcement must be first and it must be comprehensive. To do otherwise is to repeat the mistakes of the past. This Senate bill is bad for Americans, bad for our workers, bad for law enforcement and, most importantly, bad for national security. I will fight it.

Please join with me and help stop this bill.

Please forward and to find out you can help click here

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/hunter-exposes-mccain-on-immigration


stonesean
Your comments on the potential of racism are lame. If the sorts of people you describe were those actually coming in, all (or most) of the negatives of why Illegals are bad for the country would not exist. The only one left would be that they are here illegally, which is still reason enough to stop them.
On the other hand, since the US doesn't have a border with the Irish, your point is moot.

Seawolf
If they REALLY respected the 2nd Amendment you wouldn't need a "right to carry" license (whatever that is).

The 2nd Amendment IS your "right to carry" license.

My Latest On The Scamnesty

Though I disagree
Though I don't agree with the President's take on the immigration bill opponents as presented in the article:

"President Bush, who in recent weeks - in company with members of his administration - have taken to labeling opponents of the bill xenophobes and nativists, even suggesting some are racists."

I must admit, I find it hard to deny that some sort of latent, even unintentional racism might be happening among it's opponents.

Let's be honest, this bill though broadly about "immigration" is mostly about Mexicans/Central Americans/South Americans and partially about terrorism.

If the waves of illegal immigration that we were talking about were white people who speak English (say, the Irish) and not brown people who speak Spanish (Mexican/Central/South Americans) this argument would have a much different tone in our "conservative" message boards, wouldn't it?

Isn't it naive to not admit that the race/language/class of the people involved has SOMETHING to do with the debate?

If most the immigrants coming here illegally were affluent and not reliant on public services, the debate would be changed too...

I think folks just need to really look hard and admit that class/language/race DO (for better or worse) play SOME part in the debate....then maybe we can move forward.

Correct, Buck, deport them
Every time they show up at the emergency room, put 'em on a bus back south. Kids in school? Bus 'em south. They're grouping together for another of their street demonstrations? ICE rounds 'em up and puts 'em on the bus south. Raids like the one in Arkansas. No more "catch and release". Enforce the 1986 law and give their employers jail time. Stopped for a traffic violation, jail and deport 'em. This is the only law on the books that isn't enforced when you're stopped for a ticket; see what happens if you have an outstanding warrant. Check the status of all the day workers hanging around the hardware store.

Pretty soon, you'll have rounded up a LOT of them, and made the environment so hostile they'll start self-deporting.

I don't see what's so hard about this.

Seawolf
You've been ...influenced...and don't notice it.

Your, "...right to carry license.."?

Your license to a RIGHT?

I think you've been had by the other side.

Thinker
I googled North American Union. I finally just had to stop reading, my blood pressure was rising to the blowing out the top of my head point. Scared the waddins' out of me. What can we do to stop this? How can our Government sell out our people this way?

hak writes: Tuesday,05, 2007 8:47 AM

Total ignorance
Both, Fred Thompson and Cal Thomas do not know the basic facts about immigration, do not understand how society works, and have complete lack of understanding fundamental concepts that this country was built upon. They talk complete nonsense. The Freedom of Migration Act, is the only solution that makes sense.

Tell me, what is wrong in the Freedom of Migration Act?

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS:

Henryk, you keep claiming that all the TH writers are stupid and you are smart because you are a UN Utopian sycophant. Maybe you should be writing for TH and the others be removed?

I’m sure you feel right at home in the People’s Republic of AmeriKa. Well there is so much wrong with that UN proposal that I don’t know where to begin. Of course you use the old Lenin tactic of false alternatives to arrive at a determined conclusion. I’m not going to get into detail as I have covered this over and over on other threads herein. So I'll just make some bullet points.

That our country politicians have been desperately trying to destabilize the country by colonizing it with the most uneducated folks of the world in the past 25 years is resolved by the voters. Voters must weigh their tolerance of the politician’s miscreant behavior against the entitlements he delivers. We don't just employ UN Utopian fantasy schemes as the solution.

The immigration problem will be dealt with in ‘08. It will be a battle between the Chamber of Commerce that wrote the bill to promote illegal immigration, not legal although some of that may take place, and how much money they deliver the politicians. The politicians figure their best bet is to sell out to the Chamber hoping a huge marketing campaign for independent voters will save them from their lost base.

Free market migration is a Utopian fantasy of the UN to ultimately remove borders and prepare the world for the one world giver-ment and our DC masters are right in step with that objective. Why is it Utopian fantasy? Well it violates the teachings of the Bible, it violates the laws of nature, it violates all known history of mankind, and when such colonization has taken place it has destroyed the existing culture. In our particular case we certainly don’t see the Indian culture as the dominant AmeriKan influence as the reward for their open arms of free market migration.

In essence you claim that man has a right of migration that supersedes a country’s people’s right of association protected by borders. Therefore we must first find where that UN right comes from and if there is proper authority to grant such right.

I would suggest that rather than try the UN Utopian schemes with the crown jewel of the world, would it not be more responsible to risk only a small portion of the world portfolio and maybe try it in Poland first. Now the good and well meaning Arabs will have a place to colonize with open arms? Then in 20 years when Sharia law is the democratic demanded law of the land we can better decide if we want to risk our crown jewel in some UN Utopian fantasy that attracts folks like you to AmeriKa. Ruin your own country first. Remember the Polish saying, “do no one no favors, they’ll do you no harm".

Here is what our founder said this country was founded on, John Jay, in Federalist Paper titled, "Concerning Dangers from Foreign Force and Influence."… "Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people -- a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs..."

You have a right to come to this country and express your UN Utopian fantasies, but you don’t have a right to change the history of this nation’s facts.

Illegal immigration
Great artical

By What Measure Is It Impossible To
Deport 12 Million Illegal Aliens?

Mr. President, why is it impossible? Perhaps it would be impossible in your term in office. But if you started enforcing the law and if your predecessor enforced the law. The law would be enforced and respected. In time all illegals would be gone.

My aunt said it would be possible to move Malibu Beach to Miami Beach in a themble if you had enough time.

By whining about the enormity of the task and the refusal to do ANYTHING about the problem other than try to get another bill passed that would let you off the hook, by this you have proven yourself too incompetent to handle the job.


Cal and Fred, Peas in a Pod
Nice to see Cal and Fred expressing their "opinions" on immigration. I wish they'd give some sense that they've thought about this issue and not just read the "polls."

In my blog today (click on name), I wrote about the perncious idea that "all opinions are created equal." I responded to one particular comment, but it applies generally to many of comments made on TH. As always, your comments are welcome.


Note: In the comments to the right, I express my irritation with one "Fiddler," who says Rudy Giuliani is not a "lock" because Fiddler doesn't like him. I point out that I went to great length to explain -- factually and logically -- why I believe Giuliani would get the nomination. Of course, I may be wrong. However, Fiddler didn't lift a finger to deal with the points I made. Yes, it's a free country and, yes, "talk radio" has convinced everyone that his or her half-baked "opinions" are sacrosanct, but give me a break. One of the worst aspects of modern life is how some people confuse their own experience with that of the other six billion individuals on the planet. Everything that happens to me is not immediately applicable to everyone else. If I'm hit by lightning, it doesn't mean everyone in town is in imminent danger of incineration. There's a concept called "solipsism," in which someone becomes convinced that the universe is his or her mental invention, or, stated another way, that all of reality is contained in one person's head. It isn't. Fiddler: get another hobby. For much of the rest of the week, I'm going to be writing about immigration and why I support the current proposal, along with some enforcement additions.



Let Your senator hear your anger
TURN THE ENEMIES WEAPON AGAINST HIM

Call the “Senate Immigration Reform Hotline” at 1 800 417 7666
Press 1 for your senior senator, 2 for your junior senator.

This will connect you DIRECTLY to your senator without going through the congressional switchboard.

JAM THE LINES. LET THEM HEAR OUR ANGER AND FURY.

Don't Trust Fred Thompson
He's just come to the anti-amnesty side b/c it's politically expedient right now. How can people say he's the only one who's spoken up about it? Tancredo and Hunter are the ones who are sincere about it, not Thompson.

Drew
Don't feel bad - LD zapped me as well before I figured out what was going on. Thing is his satire is so true.

tanabear shames me
tanabear writes: Tuesday, June, 05, 2007 1:39 AM
No Betrayal
It seems unusual the some Republicans are just now begining to notice that Jorge Bush does not have their best interests at heart when it comes to immigration. What Bush is doing on immigration is no suprise. He was working with Fox before 911 on a guest-worker plan. When he was campaigning he was obviously an open border advocate. Border enforcement went down after 911. Why didn't that elicit any outrage from his base?
------------------------------------------
You're right in that the base should have reacted earlier to this, but I'll say that no even-headed conservative could have expected the complete sellout of both out stance, the Republican party, and the American people by Bush.

Embarrassment doesn't even begin to cover the shame I feel for having elected this thief. My only defense is that no other party had anyone offered that didn't have child slaughter as their number one issue.

Cal Thomas wrote
in his column, "Whose country is this?"


Good question, Cal.

I'm beginning to wonder, too. I learned a few decades ago that a nation consists of a border, a common language and a common culture. Apparently, that definition is no longer valid in America or even in the oval office.

With a republican [sic] in the White House, you'd think the rule of law would remain a top priority. It's not. With a wave of the pen, 20 million criminals will no longer be criminals.

Not only that, but because there will be NO enforcement regarding anyone who violates the law AFTER the amnesty bill is signed into law, a new crop of criminals will evolve. And that's not mentioning all the IslamoFascist terrorists who are illegally in this country now.

YES, NANA
yes, by 2010. Google it (the upcoming Union), but sit down first.

Fred Thompson
I would have been cheering with the rest of the Republicans there Cal. President Bush has always been weak on the enforcement of illegal immigration and the dems love that situation. No other bill has secured the border or enforced existing laws, why should I think this one will be any different.

Immigration Article
Bullseye Cal! Although there are notable exceptions much of Washington, including the President I voted for twice, no longer deserves our trust on border security. I don't believe the present crowd are going to do it.

Sonny

question
I was watching Glenn Beck last night. He said that Bush wants to form a North American Union, with totally open borders. Like the European Union. That is why he won't build the fence. I know he must have made some kind of deal with Mexico. Could this be it?

racism
Interesting that people are so willing to call anti-immigration proponents racist when the real racism in this society is against whites.

Note that all these Mexicans get automatic preferences over whites when their kids apply for schools or jobs.

The federal government is full of preferences for both race and gender. All federal programs discriminate. And they insist that colleges and universities do as well. The University of Michigan is using this as an excuse not to comply with the new state ban on preferences in hiring, claiming the feds insist on preferences in faculty hiring. Guess what? They do. At Bush's insistence.

There are also extensive private preferences, particularly in college scholarships. The University of California is using this to try to up their "minority" representation at their flagship schools, UCLA and Berkeley. They are recruiting money for scholarships set aside for members of particular groups, and lavishing them with special treatment.

Such preferences ought to be classified as unconstitutional. Preferences for whites or for men have been considered so for at least 40 years. But Supreme Court justices like Sandra Day O'Connor have bent language in outrageous ways in order to keep our modern preference system.

The real racists and sexists here are people like Bush, O'Connor, virtually every Democrat, and the vast majority of Republicans. They know that preferences really only hurt middle class kids, and that everyone in their own families will have virtually infinite opportunity. So they can espouse racist policies without hurting anyone they personally care about.

Oh, and one more
And I should add:

And some Republicans foolishly think they will win over the Hispanic vote with this stunt, though they most likely won't.

Abandoning the GOP
I flat refuse to leave the party. I am going to vote out those who are not sticking to the party platform and listening to the base. THEY can get out! Time for a sea change! Most of them have been in there too long anyway.

Again
I have to correct one statement:

Republicans want cheap labor.

The Republicans are not the only people subservient to agricultural and business interests. Both parties have that distinction. Lloyd Bentsen was not the "Senator from Texaco" for nothing. Nor did the Starkist exclusion to the minimum wage get into the bill thanks to Republicans.

No, both parties bow to their industry and agricultural interests.

So, the accurate statement would be:

Democrats want new voters and welfare cases, and both parties want a pool of cheap illegal laborers.

BTW -- I HOPE Miguel Medved
is happy at what he has wrought. Looks like I'll be voting for that "Losertarian" party that he hates so much, thanks to him.

YES!!!
Mr. Thomas - excellent article! More, please.
Fellow citizens: Stop all and any donations to Rep party now; if called, say: "Close the border, then call me."
They have stopped calling me...;)

yavapaidiane
The farm fields of California are going the way of the dodo bird BECAUSE we capitulated to Central and South America all in the name of illegal immigration! NAFTA/CAFTA! The produce prices have gone up quite a bit and the produce is not as good.

Virginia Patriot
Exactly! In the short term, the Republicans are going to lose because they've run off the most Right-wing part of their base and after that they're going to lose because of all the new illegal-aliens-turned-Democratic-voters. I think the Republican Party has doomed itself to minority status for the next 30-40 years.

Thompson
Here is probably the last man who is not out of touch with the country. He's got my vote. In one fell swoop he was able to sum up the heart of the problem...lack of trust. Americans have been saying all along "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." This is a fool me twice. We need to also go after the blue dog Democrats since they were elected on a conservative platform. they ran to the right and won so it's time to start making these politicians say what they mean and mean what they say. I will not go down without a fight.

WHAT PART DON'T THEY UNDERSTAND?
Democrats and liberals want open borders because they know that the majority of illegal aliens will become clients of government education, health care, and social services and, ultimately, Democrat voters who will keep them in power for all time. Democrats know that open borders and amnesty have great potential for killing the conservative movement.

Rockefeller Republicans want open borders because they want a massive slave labor class regardless of the long term cost to society. They know they have nothing to lose with the death of the American middle class.

Most Americans, regardless of ancestry or religion, will call a spade a spade. The immigration bill is an amnesty bill, regardless of what the President or the mainscream media say it is. Most politicians think Americans are too selfish and stupid to make sound decisions, so they must make the big decisions for them.

Not since 1978, when the U.S. Senate ratified the treaty giving the Panama Canal to Panama, have politicians displayed big time arrogance. In 1978, 2/3 of the Senate took great pride in taking an unpopular position. Many of them were defeated in 1978 and 1980.

We are told that without illegal aliens, the cost of fruits and veggies would increase significantly. However, it is safe to figure that a significant part of every American's tax bill is for education, health care, law enforcement, and social services required for the illegal alien population.

Let's look back at history. Time was when two of the most common jobs in Europe were copyist and soldier. Copyists laboriously hand copied every written word onto parchment paper by candlelight. Soldiers wore suits of armor and carried shields and swords. The bubonic plague epidemic of the Middle Ages cut across all class lines and killed most of the European population.

After the plague took its toll, it was only a matter of time until two important inventions came along: gunpowder and the Gutenberg movable type. Gunpowder made it possible for fewer soldiers to bring about more destruction. The Gutenberg movable type made books and printed material affordable and available to more people.

If one were to look at California farm fields, one would see that they look much the way they did 30 years ago. The presence of illegal aliens has halted modernizations that would otherwise have taken place long before now. It's time to bring on the robots!

GOP= Whig Party

Who actually believes the President has any intention of building a fence? How will he enforce new laws when he won't enforce current laws? Will the people breaking current law comply with any new law? What will we do if they don't?
Who actually believes, that when George W. Bush delivers on his promises to citizens of other countries illegally in our country, that they will vote Republican? Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades. How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? If the GOP surrenders our sovereignty and abandons the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP

Total ignorance
Both, Fred Thompson and Cal Thomas do not know the basic facts about immigration, do not understand how society works, and have complete lack of understanding fundamental concepts that this country was built upon. They talk complete nonsense. The Freedom of Migration Act, is the only solution that makes sense.

Read about it at http://www.henrykkowalczyk.com/immigration.htm .

See it at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i8xbHNCxoU

Tell me, what is wrong in the Freedom of Migration Act?

The Kennedy-LaRaza Shamnesty
Direct the ire to the author of this travesty of a bill. Ted Kennedy, a three-time loser in writing immigration "reform", has graciously allowed Bush to carry water for the Dems. The "old bull of the Senate" has consistently wielded more power over the years than any executive in the WH. Ironically, Dem voters are not supportive of this bill either.

loyal damnocrat
If illegals don't have the skills to make their
country(mexico) prosperous, what in the hell makes you think they will help the exUSA??

backamore
You've never voted Republican anyway!

Loyal Democratic
He's funny in a comedic way. Give him his own talk radio show. Put him on 600+ stations then everyone can laugh at him.

Lawbreakers
In contrast to the War on Terror - this is a law enforcement problem. I have nothing against immigrants - come one, come all - according to quotas and the law. If one breaks the law - judgement should follow. Send them back home. No future possibility of entering the USA until the debt has been paid.
THIS is love. Clear guidelines and quick enforcement of the law. How many of the Illigal Immigrants are lawbreakers? Not 10% but 100% of them. Enforce our laws.
What you sow you also reap. If we allow the 'approved' breaking of law in this area; it will continue to bring chaos to our courts.

Its about illegals not shamnesty.
Who wrote the bill and what is their purpose? We are falling into the DC usual bait and switch tactic. We had been told for a couple years that we needed a guest worker program so Mexicans could come here and pick crops legally. Now they have us talking about shamnesty and we have all forgotten the original goal. So what is going on?

Here is one scenario. The bill was written by the Worker’s Immigration Coalition & the US Chamber of Commerce. Apparently the flow of illegal immigrants had begun to slow down over the past few years. We must understand that businesses don’t want amnesty they want illegal workers so they can avoid all the taxes associated with hiring. They say in CA 20% of the GDP is under the table. What they needed is marketing to encourage more S.A. to come here to work illegally. Their bill will result in many coming here to work illegally hoping eventually to become citizens, but that most will loose interest or not have the credentials to become citizens. What they don't want is most taking shamnesty.

We must put this in context of the SPP Treaty opening of the borders in '10. They would be able to come here anyway after '10 legally. So this is just a stronger marketing campaign to induce more to come now to save the employer the cost of payroll taxes.

The Chamber of Commerce is merely telling these politicians that they have thousands out of their 3M businesses that are going to write a check to a candidate, do you want it or should we give it to your opponent. With Bush having driven off the base, these politicians are desperate to hold their office and hope that a huge marketing campaign with the Chamber member's money will buy them many independent voters to replace the conservative base that has left.

Thompson has it right.
Secure the border. Expell the foreign contaminants. Then we'll talk.

I don't usually vote against a public servant whose employment contract is up for renewal. I vote FOR the candidate I prefer, but I can make exceptions and I will. And I mean ANY public servant on ANY level. IT BEGINS IN THE PRIMARIES.

Immigration, GOP & Money.
If contributions to the GOP are down 40%, and it is being attributed to the immigration fiasco and liberal President and his administration, why doesn't some smart, conservative leader start a "conservative" political party, leave the RINO's in the GOP, and someone, ANYONE, stand up for the U.S., (us, federalism, small government, etc.)???

Fred, Newt, ANYONE?

Seawolf
You hit it right on the button. I've often wondered why, during the election process, we listen to the candidates tell us what they are going to do, and yet, there's no outlet available to the voters to TELL THEM what they are going to do. Townhall meetings, phone calls, emails, etc. don't seem to get it done.

Oops
I meant "If the bill passes the senate AND house, not to vote Republican in any race in 2008."

Well, Now
has a good idea. No more political contributions until the border is secured.

I also plan on:

If the bill passes the senate, not to vote Republican in the 2008 presidential race.

If the bill passes the senate AND house, not to vote at all in 2008.

taxes
If these low-skilled laborers are paying an average of the $10,000 a year in taxes, they ain't working on minimum wage or even the new minimum wage. I like what Fred Thompson is saying, but I'm wondering if he really means it. I think we are kidding ourselves if we swallow the idea that he would build the fence first. Politicans are liars. If they aren't kissing babies, they're stealing their lollipops.

Let's stop all this blaming and
tell these pols what needs to be done or they are out!

The guy who straps a set on and promises to 1.build a wall that totally seals the border,who will enforce the law, not re-write it full of loopholes.who also cuts welfare for people who can work, most of the illegals will go home.
2.who supports the 2nd amendment and will work to see my right to carry license valid in all 50 states like my drivers license.
3.who is pro life with no equivocation.
4.who will totally privatize Social Security.
5.who will put judges on all the benches who understand what the Constitution says and what the Founders gave us.

That's my list, notice how nothing much is new in it? That's pretty much how this country was before the 60's generation came along and screwed it up. now let's find someone with the nerve to run on it....

That's right, play the race card
I didn't think I would live to see the day that Republicans called other Republicans racist for opposing an amnesty bill that rewards law breaking. This must really be the end days. Now all we need is for Iran to get that nuclear bomb deliverd on Israel and start the Armgaddeon. These are scary times. The level of debate on this issue from politicians is no where as nuanced as that from the people who post on townhall every day. The politicians are living on Washington time, we are living in the real world. Throw the whole bunch out. Go, Fred. Even if you don't mean it, you'll at least get up and say it.

empty promises
making empty promises in bills as "window dressing" is the oldest trick of Washington politicians in their playbook; they think Us citizens are so stupid that they will never wake up to this play. HA, and shame on Washington.
They can spin this abomination of a "comprehensive immigration giveaway" however they wish, but it is BAD legislation (which has become what Washington is best known for).
Sen Kyl's betrayal of the Republicans of AZ is no less treacherous than Jeffers betrayal of the Republicans of VT when he changed parties after being elected as a Republican; people like this who blatantly LIE their way into office should be subject to immediate recall by their respective state's citizens.
I hope this "hot blood" on this latest "we'll ram this down their throats" piece of legislative "shat" will not cool after the betrayal votes are cast, but that Hagel, Chambliss, Graham, and every Republican Senator backing this will draw substantial Republican primary challegers and many be defeated for office at the 2008 primary level!
I hope that the Traitor Dems will be challenged at their state party primaries also, and be replaced; it can no longer be a party thing with Americans; we must replace and replace every and all politicians who do not function in the best interests of the people they are to REPRESENT, and that ain't themselves and their own self-interests.
Someone also PLEASE tell McCain that "the best bill we can get" is still not THE BEST, nor does it guarantee "GOOD".

Email Congress Staff Directly
Tell them what you think of their shamnesty.

http://www.OutsourceCongress.org/

In 2 clicks you'll be typing your message to every staffer of any Rep or Senator. It's that easy.

Why email a senator's global mailbox when you can email the Chief of Staff Directly?

We've got 15,000 staffers in the database so your message is bound to hit them well.


Compassion
I keep thinking of the old argument about the lifeboat we studied in Philosophy. Would you, being kind and compassionate, keep hauling drowning folks into the lifeboat until it sank?

Seen a lotta stuff
I've seen a lot of stuff go down, but never anything quite like this, with Senators telling their home folks that they care little (or not at all) for their views. It reminds me of the TV show "Amerkia" which aired in the mid 1980s.

How out of touch can these people be?
I just heard McCain vituperating at those who don't support his bill, especially Mitt Romney.
He sounded like a monarch who had just been told that his decrees require popular assent.

You'd think that he would know better than to concoct a bill in secret and then spring it on us with a cranky warning about passing it before "extracurricular politics" took place. By "extracurricular politics," he seems to mean letting the voters know what's in the bill.

Everybody opposed to the bill seems to be making the same point: first prove you are willing to enforce the borders, then we'll talk regularization or paths to citizenship.

I have little sympathy for the argument that illegals are overburdening our welfare state, because I have always opposed government solutions to most problems, i.e. those not enumerated in the Con