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Tuesday, January 30, 2007
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
Aquarius sunset
by Cal Thomas
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The ideologically decrepit anti-war crowd returned to Washington last weekend for a reunion. The older among them abandoned hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of Vietnamese to imprisonment, torture, death and re-education camps. Their demonstrations were encouraging to the communist Vietnamese, sending the message that America lacked the will to win. These aging hippies and their progeny now want to do the same to millions of Iraqis, who have democratically elected their leaders.

This is the sunset of the "Age of Aquarius." Yesterday, when they were young, they were the pampered generation that eschewed self-control for self-indulgence. They were (and are) so vain; they probably thought the world was about them. They were the redeeming generation that would save their parents from their sins by ending war, curing racism and cleaning the air and water. Their failure has long been obvious to all but them. To them, intentions, not success, are paramount. Because they believe their intentions are noble, they absolve themselves from the negative consequences of their actions.

As with the Vietnam anti-war protests, several of the same Hollywood actors spoke against the effort to make Iraq a stable and independent nation. Hollywood is the land of make-believe where love means never having to say you're sorry and acting means never having to take responsibility for your words and behavior, which are written and directed by others. These stars live behind gates with security alarms and guards who protect their privileged lives.

Is there anyone else's freedom these celebrities would defend? Do any other lives have value beyond their own? Since none of the older demonstrators took responsibility for what occurred in the aftermath of the Vietnam War, would any like to pledge now that if their protests help embolden the insurgents and Taliban to fight on until Iraq is in their clutches they will accept blame?

Why do these people always oppose America's efforts to defend itself and others? Why did they not protest in Washington, or in Baghdad, when Saddam Hussein was practicing genocide and his sons were raping and torturing their fellow Iraqis? Will we ever see an anti-Taliban protest? How about a demonstration against suicide bombers, or even those who produce and detonate roadside bombs in Iraq? Why do these people think only their country is evil?

This is the doctrine of the privileged and the pampered. It is salvation on the cheap. It makes the protestors feel good, even righteous, but does nothing to solve the problem, which isn't the United States, but a very real enemy that intends to kill us. Unlike Vietnam, the Islamofascists won't leave us alone if we leave Iraq before stability is established. They will send more fanatics to our shores. Watch the TV drama "24" for what could be our prophetic and imminent future with a nuclear device exploding in major cities. Having concluded we don't have the stomach to fight them on their turf, they might understandably deduce we are even less willing to fight them on ours.

While President Bush may have chosen Iraq and Afghanistan to counterattack in this war, the war would have come - and, indeed, had already come prior to the attacks on these two countries - had he decided to do nothing.

"Peace is controversial," said Jesse Jackson last weekend. His comment has about as much relevance in an age of terror as a declaration against lust. Peace doesn't result when America does nothing to confront evil. Peace comes through facing and defeating evil wherever and whenever we can. If freedom is not on the march against tyranny, then tyranny will be on the march against freedom. Neither is static. Peace doesn't "happen." To the extent peace can be attained on earth, it arrives through strength and willpower.

Forty years ago, the protestors pledged to achieve:

Harmony and understanding

Sympathy and trust abounding

No more falsehoods or derisions

Golden living dreams of visions

Mystic crystal revelation

And the mind's true liberation

They liberated neither their minds, nor the world. The Vietnamese who were murdered were not liberated. Today's terrorists will not be defeated if we embrace the inane doctrines of the protestors.

A better song for them might be Brenda Lee's "I'm Sorry," the first part of which goes:

"I'm sorry, so sorry

That I was such a fool"

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...And Into the Black of Night
The adherents to the age of Aquarius were on drugs...mystic crystal revelation, indeed!

Their thoughtless self-indulgence knows only the limits of their own skin. If only their influence shared that trait. Alas, the village idiot follows mindlessness better than he does reasoning.

The sooner those pseudo saviors move on into oblivion, the sooner we can get back to rational thought.




Fonda,
Could only have looked more ridiculous had she been wearing a Vietnamese helmet. This bunch has really taken Oscar Wilde to heart: in seeking to recapture their youth, they repeat the same youthful indiscretions. I wonder if she was gang laid last night? Where was Kerry?

Well said, Cal.

Don't trust anybody over 50
Did you notice that the vast majority of the faces you saw twisted with hate and anger in that Ponytail Hippie Nostalgia Tour were over 50? Do you think when they look in the mirror, they see the aging, sagging (or botoxed) face that the rest of us see?

Do you think they wake in the night and wonder, "If I danced nekkid in the mud at Woodstock now, would everybody laugh?"

This is their last hurrah -- their last desperate chance to pretend that time has not marched on, that the Sixties still live ... that their defining face is not the sagging, drooping face of Ted "Jabba the Hutt" Kennedy that the camera inexplicably and lovingly focused on at the State of the Union Address ... reminding us that the face of the Sixties is not JFK's youthful vacuity, but the wreck of the Good Ship Teddy.

Hanoi Jane has morphed into Jihad Jane, and do you think she realizes she's nearly 70 years old and to the generation she's trying to inspire, this is history so ancient that they can't dislodge even one earbud to see what she's flapping on about?

I don't think this is what Dylan Thomas meant when he talked about not going gentle into that good night.

But it is what Dan Rowan meant when he said "Say Goodnight, Dick."

Where was Kerry?
Oh yeah, that's right. He was doing the Fonda thing with the Iranian Mullahs - or did he do it first?

The "MEMEME!" Generation
These overage hippies couldn't even get their act sufficiently together to show up in the numbers they advertised in advance. According to witnesses on the scene, the "tens of thousands" the MSM were trumpeting were closer to the 2,500- 3000 mark. I can only imagine the contortions and maneuvers the news crews had to go through to find camera angles that made the Mall look full. (On a typical day in the season, there are more tourists there than the number of would-be world savers who showed up this time around.)

But this exercise in self-righteous navel-gazing did prove one thing. Namely, that these elitists will never leave the stage until the Grim Reaper drags them off. They wil be in our faces, screaming their patchouli-fascist slogans, until Mother Nature says, "Ladies and Gentlemen, time, please", and bodily throws them through the door into the Great Beyond.

To them, it is always the Summer of Love, when they were young, hip, the FUTURE. And they would get there by running roughshod over everyone else, as they made their journey to the Emerald City... bourne on a cloud of marijuana smoke.

Forty years later, they're still "smokin' and tokin'", like two of their pop-culture heroes, Cheech and Chong. And they still "visualize World Peace"- defined as (with apologies to Orwell) a Birkenstock sandal in the human face forever.

I prefer P.J. O'Rourke's version;

"...the New Left geezers looked like they'd gone to hell in a bong. It's into the trash with the Sixties litter, and you could see they knew it. They looked like Abbie Hoffman was looking the last couple years of his life, as though every night when they go to sleep a BMW chases them through their dreams."

-"Return of the Death of Communism", from "Give War A Chance" by P.J. O'Rourke.

They'd be amusing if they weren't so pathetic.


cheers

eon

To GunnyG - Spew Alert
This morning when I got up, like normal I had to use the bathroom, but in dedication to the aging anti-US hipsters that plagued me in my youth I did something different. I went out into the scrub oaks that grow behind my house and dreamed of Hanoi Jane and the direction of Washington DC. As I faced Northeast in her direction, I imagined she was totally engulfed in the righteous flames of H*ll. I then turned to the South and urinated on a scrub oak.

The Extreme Right still doesn't get it
These protests are against the war in Iraq and the complete incompetence of this administration. Following the Vietnam War this country was left with a shattered military and a fractured society. The fault, as always, lies with the leadership not with the press, not with the military and not with the 60’s generation.

The "60's crowd" went on to rebuild the military and to help cause the fall of the Soviet Union - not minor accomplishments. What has this administration accomplished? We are stripped of allies; terrorists continue to organize throughout the world and Iraq is a training ground of vast proportions. Remember Afghanistan and a guy named Bin Laden? Afghanistan is falling back into chaos through neglect. Terrorists grow stronger every day while an incompetent administration trashes and weakens this country.

Vic,,,
I spewed even with the Alert!! Yowza! I have to tell you what spineless a**holes these peeps are. I was quite active with the "ProtestWarriors" for several years. We participated in several rallies for the war. And all of the Peaceniks were out in force, naturally. They were so violent and nasty,some of us who were simply holding our signs were fearful. The biggest joke...when our spokesperson tried asking questions to counter their spewing(what a surprise,huh?), the monkeys who screeched back were wearing bandanas to cover their cowardly selves...I think they also had fur and long snouts....

And in their wake, people die...
I look at these protesters and see only the Vietnamese desparate enough to leave their country that they tried to hang onto our helicopters, and later jumped into rickety boats. I also see the killing fields of Cambodia. Honestly, they have no shame.

At their core they despise the USA and cannot stomach the idea that we are a great country. And the most amusing (sickening) part is the involvement of the celebrities. No one benefits more from this free-market, capitalistic, Bill of Rights country more than they. They are paid extraordinary amounts of money to "play," they work when they want, they never have to look at a leave statement to see how much vacation time they have, they can afford the best of everything, and people are usually thrilled to see them. Plus, they would not exist as they do here in any other type of country. Honestly, in its entirety, their behavior borders on the insane; not just ignorant, but insane.

A Powerful Indictment
Excellent; case closed.

out of touch
Jihad Jane was asked if she felt any remorse over the killing fields of Cambodia and the death/re-education camps of Vietnam and all the suffering our loss (caused by liberal idiots) brought down upon those people. She responded that it was our fault, because we had been there.

Sean Penn was asked about the Iranians and their intent to develop nukes. He responded with since we have nukes, the Iranians should have nukes.

Tim Robbins was asked if he had any idea what kind of slaughter would occur if we simply pulled out of Iraq right now. He responded with "It can't get any worse than it is now!"

Susan Sarandon responded with a diatribe about how 650,000 innocent Iraqis have been killed thanks to our invasion. Too bad the Brookings Institute puts the number of dead (military, civilian, Iraqi, and other) at about 100,000, and the UN's inflated numbers show 150,000. Typical liberal...won't let facts stand in the way of her hatred of Bush and the USA.

and Hal Donahue...the 60's generation didn't rebuild the military. They hated the military. It was the folks who had been through the fires of Vietnam and those who ignored the protesters who rebuilt the military. It was those who actually love freedom and our nation, many with bumper stickers that read "Jane: call home 1-800 HANOI" (yes, I have one of those on my vehicle even today), who stood with the arch-enemy of the 60's generation, RONALD REAGAN, as he forced the end of the Soviet Union.

Hal Donahue
Not even close. "The '6o's crowd' went on to rebuild the military and help cause the fall of the Soviet Union . . . "?

Please.

It was the the #1 enemy of hippie generation who rebuilt the military and brought on the fall of the Soviet Union: the man whom David Crosby, on the stage at Woodstock, called "Ronald Ray Gun" to the derisive laughter of those long-haired, maggot-infested, dope-smoking wastes of spermatazoa and ova.

"What has this administration accomplished?"

Hmmm.

Well:

-No terrorist attack on our shores in five and a half years.

-Saddam Hussein out of power and dead.

-Osama Bin Laden out of power and cowering in a cave, if he is alive. After all, when was the last time he was actually confirmed to have appeared in a video- or audio tape with verifiable time and date of production?

-Strong allies whose ties of allies are as strong as ever--even stronger in regards to Germany.

-A booming economy.

-Stock market closing at record highs almost daily.

That's enough for a start.

Mirrors needed, please
Jane Fonda stated that she hasn't spoken at a war rally in years because of the "lies" told about her. Which "lies" was she talking about? Was it the "lie" about her sitting at the trigger of a weapon that the N. Vietnamese used to shoot down american pilots? Was it the fact that she laughed and joked with N. Vietnamese soldiers who left the encouraging conversation to shoot at young american soldiers?

Unfortunately, we have pictures of these and other "lies". Maybe she's talking about the "lie" of millions of Vietnamese people dying after she and her friends convinced us to pull out? You know, like the Jewish Holocaust was a "lie" - and all of the other lies that happen when americans decide to be isolationists and stay home?

The problem with the left-over hippies is that some of them now have a lot of money earned from the capitalist system that they claim to despise (like, oh yes, Jane). That money buys them a lot of publicity and sadly, a lot of power. This isn't just old Jane and her friends getting their last 15 minutes in the spotlight; this is powerful and well funded people who are trying to make sure that there will be no use of the military for anything more that walking around with flowers hanging out of their guns. The Hitlers and Sadham Husseins of the world are much safer with Jane at the microphone knowing that she will work to keep us at home when they start their marches.

Hey, I'm a socialist too!
"At Duke University in North Carolina she (Jane Fonda) repeated what she had said in Michigan, adding "I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism." Washington Times July 7, 2000

Cool! I'm a socialist too! How about we divvy up your fortune so that we'll both be equally rich? Nah, didn't think so. Phonies! All of them!

These people are as hypocritical as the head of GM driving a Japanese car. How they can publicly clamor for socialism and communism while openly living the life of the rich and pampered and expect to be taken seriously, is just mind boggling.

As mentioned by a few others here, most of the older "hippies" could really care less about the war in Iraq, they're just trying to relive the 60's and pretend they're still relevant.

Shrinque
beachmom just posted this jewel on my blog (check it out).

Worth a report here.

What have the libdolts done?

a. FDR led us into World War II.

b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
>From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 112,500 per year.

c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us.
>From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 18,334 per year.

d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
>From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .
an average of 5,800 per year.

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking. But:

1. It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.

2. We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

3. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

4. It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Just a little food for thought to dispel the libdolt's pablum.

Crawfish
Sorry you are wrong on both counts. I served and went from E-1 to 0-5 and there were lots of us. I was in all the garden spots of the world from Southeast asia to Europe and to the middle east. Ronald Reagan didn't end the Soviet Union. It was the U.S. with all its allies and every soldier from the world War II generation to our own who did. For the record, Reagan's first term was probably one of the best this country has seen. All I ask from you extreme revisionists is just a little bit of honesty.

"Germany never attacked us"
but it was obvious by the year 1939 that Hitler was interested in world conquest and was not going to be satisfied until he had taken his attempt at it as far as he could. "Give peace a chance"?? We see how well that worked for Neville Chamberlain. Had the Allied forces acted when Hitler tried to invade Czechoslovakia, he could have been defeated much more quickly.

I wonder if Chamberlain and his Peaceniks of the 1930s ever realized how much blood they had on their hands -- the blood of countless concentration camp victims who could have been saved if only Hitler had been squished like the bug he was MUCH SOONER.

Yet we wait. Every time. We're so busy "giving peace a chance" that we let these monsters get a stronger and stronger foothold, until when we finally DO decide to get real and defend ourselves through force of arms, it's a much longer and harder and more costly struggle. MORE people die.

Even now, evidently, some think we in the U.S. never should have bothered our precious li'l heads about Hitler and confined our military efforts to defeating the Japanese alone. Ballocks! Nazism was EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS. Had Hitler managed to conquer Europe, he surely would have turned his eyes to us next. Japan was Hitler's ally. They attacked us, but he consented. Silence betokens consent. But had we joined forces with England in 1939, again, might World War II have ended much sooner? Might we have put a stop to the Holocaust a good two years earlier, at least, and thereby saved many lives?

Do the American peaceniks of the 1930s have blood on their hands?

Hal Donahue
I disagree.

Reagan called Gorbachev's hand at Iceland.

When he walked away from the talks, the libsquirts had a hissy fit. Reagan bluffed the Soviets into folding their hand with his Space Wars four aces!

"Mr Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!"

THAT caused the East Germans to rise up as well. The USSR had lost control and they knew it.

Reagan gets ALL of the credit as the CinC should!

Old lie
Grampa Cal is at least as old as the protesters, and twice as crusty. Gramps has gone deaf, or was born deaf. He couldn't hear what the protesters were saying, so, like other deaf old people, he made it up.

"As with the Vietnam anti-war protests, several of the same Hollywood actors spoke against the effort to make Iraq a stable and independent nation." -- This simply is not true. None of the speakers spoke for Iraq to become a failed state, though some of them said that has happened already.

Normally it would be rude to deride elder citizens in this way, but I didn't start it.

pamela
Yes they do, about 10 million souls, give or take a few million.

go Jane go
They shoot traitors, don't they?

Hal Donahue
The "60's crowd" went on to rebuild the military and to help cause the fall of the Soviet Union..."

Sorry pal, try again. It was the 60's crowd that hamstrung both foreign policy and our military, essentially neutering them. The same beast is once again rearing it's ugly head, and god only knows what the outcome will be this time around.

I served our nation for 21 years. What I did learn is that the true "peacekeepers" are those that maintian the eternal vigilance. Hanoi Jane and her insipid cohorts accomplish nothing more than leave the strong vulnerable; the weak devastated, which would be my definition of a warmonger. It's time to face reality.

Gunny
As always we disagree and agree. Reagan could only do that because the US and NATO were absolutely unbeatable. Gorbachev knew it. Read Zignew Brazinski's (spelling) written from before the fall. No one gets ALL the credit.

Hal Donahue
Just tell me what people like Jane Fonda or Noam Chomsky did to rebuild our military.

Cal Thomas
The Taliban aren't in Iraq, so it's not likely that Iraq will ever be in their clutches.

Hal Donahue
Let's not forget that it was Raegan who knew that we could spend them into bankruptcy and rebound from it.

It was Reagan's decisions as the CinC that were crucial to keeping the pressure on while many others, like the NY Slime, were screaming that the Sovs were gonna nuke us from Ronnie Ray-Gun's antics!

Reagan definately deserves the lion's share of the credit.

JFP
Sure happy to. They represent the extreme and generate ideas and alternatives just like the extreme war and chicken hawks. All those ideas help on both sides

Cal's a Genius
Cal Thomas always seems to write a column that captures in a few paragraphs what several days of trying to articulate couldn't accomplish.

good article

60's Crowd
When you say 60's crowd you are taking into account three groups of people. You have the anti-US "peacenicks", the great silent majority, and the people who actually served. The peacenicks went on to become aging hippies opposing the rational people at every turn. The only one that I have ever heard say anything regretful about the outcome in SE Asia was Joan Baez. She also challenged Hanoi Jane who responded then just as she responded this weekend. It was the US’s fault. With these people it is always the US’s fault. That is why I call them anti-US and not anti-war.

But don’t hold up the 60’s crowd as some homogeneous lump who were all anti-US.

The mantra for the aging hippies
"Attention everyone, don't take the brown viagra..."

Vic
True. MY CEO bro-in-law is from the 60's and an ardent patriot, staunch capitalist, and PRO military to the max.

My sisters, I am glad to say, I have converted to the Right.

Vic
George did that when he lumped us all together. But that aside, peacenicks are not now, and were not then, all hate america types - not by a long shot. Sure some are and the radicals on the right love to point them out just like the radicals on the left love to point out the right's extremes like that church picketing our war deads funerals. Neither is correct. Must I remind you that both Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt actually protested in the streets against a war? What an effective protest shows is that a sizable minority feels this country has lost its way. It is a warning sign to our nation's leadership and has been used throughout our history. Calling protestors traitors is simply not correct just as you correctly point out the 60's generation was not some homogeneous lump.

Was Fonda really "sorry?"
Two years ago, Jane Fonda seemed to apologize to the Vietnam Vets for her "Hanoi Jane" days:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4400891.stm

But was she really sorry?

At the time we were all skeptical. She had a book on the market, and we were all suspicious that she wanted to improve her public image in order to increase sales.

After all, her apology went only halfway. While she was sorry for posing for pictures while sitting on the enemy's anti-aircraft gun, she made it clear that she was not sorry that she let the Vietcong use her visit with POWs for propaganda purposes.

But now all speculation is over.

Mzzz. Fonda is once again showing her true colors as she relives her mis-spent youth speaking at the recent anti-war rally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeIFHXDVHsU

So, Mzzz. Fonda, why should we believe anything you say?

Of course I notice that the story about her apology was printed on April 1, 2005.

Was this just a big "April Fools" gag?


bye
Have a great day folks. I am off to work

Pamela- not only did Germany never
attack us; FRANCE never attacked us, and they never declared war on us either.

But we invaded their shores on June 6, 1944 anyway.

Horrors!

I wonder if this makes Franklin Roosevelt a war criminal?

Enemy emboldened
Cal as usual you tell it like it is. These demonstrations by these retreads/retards of the 60s are pathetic. Sadly they embolden our enemy the Radical Islamists who are at war with us in Afghanistan, Iraq, in the U.S. and around the globe.

As outrageous as their antics are they pale in relaton to the treasonous actions by the libdemos in the "hallowed" halls of Congress who are passing resolutions of "disapproval"(meaning bound to fail) of Gen Petreaus's mission in Iraq. These libdemos latest actions cant help but cause discouragemnt to our military and encouragement to our enemy.

Seriously now folks,
Unlike the anti-Vietnam War organizers, I doubt that any of the group this past weekend was recently trained overseas or were funded from overseas. Of course I could be wrong. The Islamists have lots of money.

Recently I argued with several very proud and arrogant old anti-war activists from the 1960s. I never called them or inferred that they were unpatriotic but they accused me of calling them that. When I brought up the millions that died in SE Asia after the USA pulled out they fundamentally said those people deserved what they got for supporting the USA and for "not being patriotic" by supporting their own country, North Vietnam.

It is hard to paint all the anti-war folks with the same brush, some naively believe in peace and turning the other cheek, but not many. Regardless all are being used by our present enemy, either directly or indirectly, to try and dramatically reduce support, not only for Iraq, but for the entire war on Islamic Terrorism. [Reference the LA Times Editorial this weekend.]

The real irony in the present anti-war movement is that these are the same folks that promote a social and cultural agenda that is the most hated by the Islamists. When I brought that up in my discussion with the 60s crowd, their response was "how dare I blame the left for this war."

The anti-war activists are even more spoiled than the rest of America. I couldn't afford to fly or drive to D.C. and stay there to counter this protest. They could, either because they are rich capitalist or because somebody paid their way. No, it was not because of their dedication to the cause! In this case de facto their cause is also becomes the cause of the Islamofascists.

Dare one asked them when do we chose to fight? If our response to 9-11-2001 was an over reaction then what should our reaction be if one of our cities, a European city, a Japanese city or Israel is nuked? They will look at you with profound shock and probably will not answer those two questions.

There is a social revolution coming....
History teaches that one is on the cusp of a social revolution when the existing order finds it necessary to publicly demonstrate its power.

For example, the British in 1770. For example the Chicago Police in 1968 - or southern police a few years before. For example the Communists in East Germany in the late 1980s. And the tenured radical leftists today.

The racial minorities and illegal aliens protest because they see the ground changing underneath them and realize that their privleged status via affirmative retribution will soon end.

The feminists protest (Duke Rape Case anyone) because they see a return to traditional family values including motherhood and marrage.

The dirty hippies protest because they see a groundswell of folk who support this war as a necessary evil. The ground under them is sinking as well and they know not what to do.

Don't let anyone tell you that these aren't professional protesters or that they aren't violent. They are both.

They have made a good living over the past 40 years because of their politics, much like the members of the Klan made a good living in the Jim Crow South, and they are just trying to hold onto power. Nothing more.

They are quite violent. On one college campus where a 110 lb girl was collecting for the Disabled American Veterans a 200 lb thug literally threatened to "drag her out into the woods for a back alley abortion." The police had to respond. FOX News has some lovely footage of peaceful protesters in red masks trashing their vehicle and a fairly neutral newspaper (The Hill) reported graffitti on the steps of the capitol.

An aside: content neutrality: if they can spray their stuff there, why can't we????

There is a social revolution coming, I just hope that we stop in the middle and don't go equally far to the right...


I wonder???????
If we had done in 1972 what should have been done, which is put Jane on trial for aiding and abetting in a time of war. Then put her up against a post, give her a blindfold and a last cigarette and shoot her as the traitor that she is, would John Kerry be calling our country names while traveling overseas and giving aid to our enemys????

Confusion?
Actually I believe it was Georges Clemenceau, not Churchill, and the quote was something like "I wouldn't give a %^&* for someone who wasn't a SOCIALIST at 20, or who was still a socialist at 30." I guess Hal was right and wrong...it was the 60's generation who rebuilt our military, guys like Schwarzkopf, Powell, McCaffrey, Clark, Cheney...some of whom were younger than Hanoi Jane!!!

Hal Donahue makes me sick
So, the military gets the credit for beating the Soviets WITHOUT the participation of the CINC Reagan? What an idiot. Shows what he learned about military tactics while he was in the military. Someone has to be in charge, someone credible, so that when they say we will attack you if you do this, the other side believes you and backs down. No one would have believed Jimmy Carter, but they dang sure believed Reagan. Notice the Iranians released the hostages on Reagan's first day in office. I graduated from high school in 1969 and enlisted in the Air Force AFTER college with a Russian degree and went right to Berlin to keep tabs on the Russkies. I am proud to be a Cold War Warrior. However, unlike Hal, I do not consider myself part of the '60's generation. I was never against the Vietnam War, I never did drugs, and I have never castigated this country, which is the noblest and best country in the history of the world. Hal is a useful idiot. The military had some of those too.

Misunderstanding peace
When I was a long haired dope smoking tie- dyed Birkenstock and bead wearing hippie wannabe (and later campaigner for Jimmy Carter -sorry folks-please forgive me *shudders*) I and most of my compatriots really and honestly believed that peace was a simple thing. You stop fighting, and viola! There you have peace. We truly thought peace was simply the absence of conflict. Of course, it's a juvenile idea based on emotion rather than any real thinking. It's as simplistic and silly as saying prosperity is the absence of hunger, so all one needs to be rich is a ham sandwich, but at the time it made perfect sense to us.

What helped change my thinking was when I found myself living next door to a wife beating racist alcoholic who threatened to kill me because I assisted is wife in getting away from him. Nearly every time I saw this guy, I feared for my safety, because he would utter some threat. Did he ever hurt me? No. Was it peace? Not by a long shot. I was continually looking over my shoulder, avoided my own yard, slept lightly at night, and did everything I could to keep from even seeing this guy, which often meant I was a prisoner in my own home, or that I had to go to great lengths to avoid him. And all this because HE was the jerk! What I learned from that experience is that peace is not merely the absence of conflict, it is the absence of threat. And when you have anyone, be they a neighbor, a nation, or an idiology, flat out stating their intent to kill you, and have previously demonstrated a willingness to hurt innocents, only the most foolish and naive among us would believe that as long as they don't actually carry out their threats against us, we are at peace.


It's all part of the plan
The Generals have secretly asked the Democrats to protest as part of their war plan.
I believe military strategists are the smartest people in the world. That's why I'm sure these "protesters" Dem leaders are pawns in the war plan. They are doing exactly what the Generals want them to do. (otherwise, Bush would put a stop to it)
I'll bet you when this war is history, we will discover that the way we stopped terrorist attacks on our soil was to convince the terrorists that if they attack on our soil we will send more troops, but if they just stand idly by our politicians will win the war for them.

Red
Well said

Cal is correct but irrelevant
Everything Cal says about the "have been" and "never were" peace protester is correct. Everything he says about that generation is correct. None of that, though, will change the fact that we cannot win this war fighting under the current rules of engagement. If we are not going to let our guys win then what is the point in being there and losing men? It is merely a delayed defeat while contractor interests fatten their bank accounts. Bush's vanity is just as stark as the peace protesters. He wants to fighht a "good" war where our men are at a fatal disadvantage. He wants to fight a war this way because he thinks we can win this way even as he knows that the price in American men is much higher than it has to be. The problem is that we have never won a war this way and we are losing this one. What is a pro-defense American supposed to do? It would be insanity to believe in "staying the course". One may not like the motives of the peace movement but if our men aren't going to be allowed to actually win then get them out!

My epiphany
Hi RedStater,
What changed my mind was seeing the way that professors run academia these days. There has been a jobs crisis in academia since the early 70s, and it got even worse in the 90s, but none of those who were lucky enough to get jobs in academia ever cared or wanted to do anything about it.

It's easy to bash others for society's problems, but it's much harder when you have to face problems in your own profession, especially when it is dominated by leftists. It's awfully hard to blame the right for the problems in such a situation, so when the tenured profs decided to say and do nothing instead of acting in a responsible fashion, I decided to take a hike.

Words have meaning, ideas consequences
Unfortunately Hanoi Jane was long on looks, and had perfectd a capacity to convey sincerity, but lacked any intellectual rigor for understanding the damage that she inflicted upon American Culture.

Now she finds herself long in the tooth, gray in the hair, with three failed marriages as her personal accomplishments. Yes, she has her two Oscar's, but you have to wonder who comes home for Christmas, oops sorry, The Winter Solstice Dinner?

Hanoi's Janes success as a fitness guru in the 80's is the perfect talisman for her endeavors. It was all style, no substance.

In a just world, Jane Fonda would be a memory.

Unfortunately, Natalie Wood, who was one year younger than Hanoi Jane, had a much greater love for America, Faith and Family, is but a memory to us today.

Hal Donahue
E1 to O5? Wow, I'm impressed. How long did were you in the military person and what branch?

"Germany never attacked us"
MORON!
Germany declared WAR on the U.S. - not the other way around.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World_War


Hal Donahue
All the weapons in the arsenal, all the troops on the parade ground are useless without a Battle plan and a Commander willing to say go!


Born just before WWII
I am not part of the "Greatest Generation". But I guess I am the "Little brother" to the "Greatest Generation".

I am not sure the little brothers and sisters of the Aquarius Generation will look upon their older sibs with the same awe, love, honor and hero worship as we in my age group do our big brothers.

pirate
I believe it was Jefferson who said it might take a violent revolution every so often to keep this country on course.

The left has been showing itself for the traitorous, hateful and vicious beast it is.

The American folk have been getting spit on for over 30 years by the left which has been able to influence our government and our courts for at least that long.

How much it too much and when are the shotguns going to come out?

"We're Losing"
We're losing is the big lie the Generals WANT out there.
That's what keeps the Terrorists from attacking in the U.S. The terrorists believe the lie that "we're losing" and they stand down.
Are there NO chess players out there?
Any sane person knows that the goal was to secure a supply of oil to counter the Oil embargo threat. But if we define winning as "securing Iraqi oil fields" then the terrorists will put all their effort into destroying our troops guarding oil infrastructure. If we define "winning" as "establishing a Democracy" then the Terrorists will spend all their time trying to kill Iraqis that vote.
We have tricked them into killing each other instead of killing us!
Brilliant!


Again a question
Exerpt "They liberated neither their minds, nor the world".

Did the anti-war protestors then HAVE minds to liberate (or did they happen to develop any in the intervening years)?

Revolution Schmevolution
Get real. I'm fat and happy (and so are you)
I don't give a damn about the Constitution or the Government until I'm cold and hungry or being shot at. As a matter of fact, you people that vote are the problem. Its you voters that allow the Government to say "The people WANT us to ignore the Constitution. See, both parties keep ignoring the Constitution and they keep voting for us."
If you don't like the Government, STOP VOTING FOR IT! I'ld say thats a much more reasonable approach than picking one Satan over the other. If someone hands you a basket with two satans in it, and you pick one, you have chosen satan. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Hal Donahue
was a Lieutenant Colonel???? With THAT attitude?

The officer corps must have really gone downhill since I served.

Hippies rebuilt the US military?

Ronald Reagan didn't do anything to defeat the USSR?

Methinks LTC Donahue needs to spend some time on the rifle range, 'cause he's sure missed the mark.

did it ever occur to any of you
that the clowns whom you are so gleefully making fun of are probably reading your posts and using them to justify themselves? They CRAVE attention like yours and you are silly enough to give it to them - JUST THE KIND THEY WANT.

And there was a post back there somewhere where someone made a remark about Jane Fonda getting gang raped or laid or something.

Classy. Real classy. You know who you are.

Jabba the Hutt Kennedy
Good one!

Hanoi Jane
You see, we just don't get it. When Hanoi Jane was asked by a Fox news reporter what she felt now about all the Vietnamese we abandoned to their fate in 1975, her answer was "We shouldn't have been there in the first place." In other words, if we had stayed out of Vietnam altogether and the people of the south had surrendered peacfully, they would all be living happily in an ideal Communist state. Never mind the fact that the south Vietnamese people fought valiantly, even desperately, to maintain their freedom. It is easy to idealize communism when you are living the capitalist life.

jdeiter: I was quoting someone else.
I was quoting another poster who had earlier asserted (or at least implied) that the U.S. should not have gotten involved in the war in Europe and should have confined its military efforts to the Pacific.

I disagree so vehemently with this assertion that I would be tempted to label anyone who would make it a "moron" -- so I am not going to slam you for calling me one. Instead I am going to apologize for having made myself unclear. I usually try to make myself more understandable than that, and I'm sorry I failed this time. People should acknowledge when they're out-and-out wrong.

However, I maintain that the ONLY problem with the U.S. getting involved in the efforts to kick Hitler's arse back to the primeval ooze from which he came was that we didn't get involved soon enough. Three years (1939-41) was way too long for us to wait.

Excellent Article
I am at the end of the BabyBoomer line (born in 1959). I was in grade school in the 60's, raised just outside of Detroit so I remember a lot of what was going on during that time.

The babyboomers will be remembered for bringing in the sex, drugs and rock-n-roll culture. The ME generation. "If it feels good, do it". This is a generation that indeed scorned self-control and embraced self-gratification. Look where it has lead us.

I am still amazed that the media fawns over these Hollywood idiots and the diatribe they spew. Why anyone would look to someone who pretends for a living for political or even social astuteness is beyond my comprehension. These people live in a fantasy world and get paid for it. They know NOTHING of how you, me and the 95% of the average Joes and Janes in this country live day to day. They have limos, servants, multiple houses, etc... they know NOTHING of balancing a checkbook, struggling to save for your kids college or wondering how to pay for new tires for your car.

These people do NOT speak for me.

Excellent article, Cal. Keep up the good work!

Cal Thomas
Great article. I couldn't agree more with Mr. Thomas' observations about the 60s hippie parade. Either these "activists" are too ignorant to know that they empower the enemy and hurt the morale of the troops, or they just don't give a d#mn. Unfortunately for the rest of the country, I think the latter is true. Not once did I see them equally outraged over an implorable act committed against a member of the military or even a civilian (think videotaped beheading). They are anti-U.S. military and they cannot convince me otherwise. Wonder if they will spew the same venom if we are ever engaged in one of Hollywood's pet causes (like Darfur)?

Hal Donahue
I am part of the 60's group and I can tell you that there were many of us that didn't agree with Hanoi Jane and her group at all - they made us quite sick - to the point of throwing up. People who live in this country don't really know what it is like to live in another and the freedoms and rights that we enjoy here because of the military and some of the leaders with real backbone and guts to lead. Sadly, we have generated a few leaders of late (Clinton and Carter) who not only were weak leaders, at best, but who have taken to putting down our country overseas and in front of the world. I'm surprised that Carter wasn't there with the group during the protest - he certainly did his harm to the military during his presidency by downgrading them dangerousily low in their abilities and equipment. It was men like Reagan who not only rebuilt our military but our national pride again. People like Hanoi Jane, Penn, Robbins and the like should live in another country like ordinary people of that country for a while and learn to enjoy what they had here in the U.S.A. before being permeitted to return. That and maybe a brain upgrade would be a major change in their lives. This country gives us the right to voice ones opinion but one should do it with reasonable forthought and thinking processes working first. These people are constantly whinning about something but doing nothing constructive.

Hanoi Jane et al are ACTORS!
Actors are ENTERTAINERS. In medieval times wealthy landowners and kings kept ACTORS to ENTERTAIN their guests at banquets. They called their actors FOOLS!

jdieter
Don't know what you are smokin' but put it down soon. You are a classic example of the thought level of people who don't want to get involved in voting or thinking but have an opinion about everything - uninformed and talking all of the time. You seem to be what Rome produced just before the fall - 'leave me alone and let me be happy in my own uninformed thoughts and non-activity'. Wake up - be informed- be educated- be involved and do it soon for your own sake and others. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and an announcement to the rest of the world about your level of learning. Best to read and learn only instead of embarassing yourself.

hackamore- LOL!
Jabba the Hut Kennedy!

Very funny!

Who said that one?

jmag imagines
jmag writes: Tuesday, January, 30, 2007 10:40 AM
I wonder???????
If we had done in 1972 what should have been done, which is put Jane on trial for aiding and abetting in a time of war. Then put her up against a post, give her a blindfold and a last cigarette and shoot her as the traitor that she is, would John Kerry be calling our country names while traveling overseas and giving aid to our enemys????
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Gee, I don't know if the laws would permit you to give Hanoi Jane a ciggie with her blindfold at her execution.

It may damage her health.

Shrinque

-No terrorist attack on our shores in five and a half years.
8 Years passed between the first and second WTC attack, so it looks like they are still on schdule.

-Saddam Hussein out of power and dead.
And this makes the US safer how? Oh, yeah, it doesnt.

-Osama Bin Laden out of power and cowering in a cave, if he is alive. After all, when was the last time he was actually confirmed to have appeared in a video- or audio tape with verifiable time and date of production?
Meanwhile, the one who REALLY WAS involved in 9/11 is still alive, and as far as anyone can tell, still has stragetic control of the organization that
did attack the US

-Strong allies whose ties of allies are as strong as ever--even stronger in regards to Germany.\
This is just nonsense. Maybe you should tell us whwo you are talking about?

-A booming economy.
Record fore clousures on home sales

-Stock market closing at record highs almost daily.
hyperbole.

-That's enough for a start.
If you can make your goals, lower your expectations, or change them altogether.

Setting a few historical records
straight.

Roosevelt wanted much earlier to intervene in Europe but did not have the influence or power in congress to justify doing so(the idea of a "police action" had yet to be established to avoid having to declare war as a principal means of engaging in war). The current of isolationsisim runs strong in the US. The Japanese attack and Germany/Italy declaring war settled that notion.

While it is true Germany never attacked us the Tripartate pact necessitated a war with the US.

The argument that Iraq never attacked us is spurious. One goes where the enemy is and in this age where war can be waged without formal declaration it makes this line of reasoning that much more muddied. We are not fighting against countries now but against a line of religious based reasoning that is patient and calculating and like Communisim will spread with much greater affect. Lead by Iran it seeks to engulf the middle east in one great Caliphate. That Caliphate doesn't just want to exist, it wants to dominate and see a world free of Isreal and free of any influence by the "great Satan".

One can argue that this is all our own fault, but that does little to face the reality that a few crazy zealots want to see as many Americans and Jews lying in pools of thier own blood.

It is an excersize in power that these anti-war protestors go at it again. Little real care is given to the lives lost but only to use them as propaganda weapons. Consequences mean little and only the goal matters. That goal is to flex some grass roots like muscle and wield some socialist influence.

Hal Donahue
You say, "All I ask from you extreme revisionists is just a little bit of honesty."?

Okay, how about you answer this honestly?

"The fault, as always, lies with the leadership not with the press, not with the military and not with the 60’s generation."

My question is, when the returning soliders were being spat on and pelted with rotten eggs, were the peaceniks shouting "It's not your fault!" ? Because I thought it was more like "Murderer" and "Baby killer"...

Bulls Eye
An incident occurred a couple years back.. Jane Fonda was the guest of honor at a gala book signing engagement... She was approached by a Vietnam Veteran who proceeded to spit in her face.. To this Veteran I say "Good job, Sir"

Dear Kimberly....
I have recognized a couple of logical fallacies in your latest post...
1. Ad Hominem - "to the man" -- calling Thomas a "wingnut". - lets talk about the issue at hand instead of calling people names.
2. Red Herring - talking about Halliburton, troop equipment, Hollywood...lets talk about the issue at hamd instead of trying to "lead the hound dog down a different trail".
3. Ad Populum - "to the people" - saying that TH readers and posters should be appalled over the troops' equipment. Lets talk about the issue at hand instead of saying that "all Townhall people should be appalled..."
4. Tu quoque - "You too" - saying that the "pro-war sect" isn't doing anything the protect the country either - lets stick to the issue at hand instead of saying "the anti-war people aren't doing much to protect the country, but NEITHER are the 'pro-war' people".

It seems to me that many are having difficulty in arguing logically.

Actually, Germany did attack us
They sent subs into US waters on the Eastern Seaboard to attack our merchant marine vessels. Several were torpedoed. My husband's grandfather was an engineer on one of the ships attacked and my FIL tells an excellent rendition of how water was blowing through the bulkheads while he and the younger engineers were hand-manning pumps and the chief engineer was wresting control from the bridge to ground the ship in Chespeake Bay. You can look it up.

My father was also in the merchant marines, though in the Pacific prior to Pearl Harbor, and he always said that Germany had been attacking American ships in American waters prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Rossevelt could not get that generation's "peaceniks" (including my father) to see this as a threat. It took an attack on American soil and some of those peaceniks still protested that Hawaii was really not American and so we shouldn't defend it. They somewhat changed their minds after the attack on Attu in Alaska, but my father said many of his friends (by this time, he was in disagreement with them)still thought we should not have fought in World War II. Japan was not, they thought, interested in actually attacking mainland US. Neither was Germany. They were simply attempting to prevent us from interfering with them and if we'd simply stayed at home where we belonged we would have been at "peace."

Does that sound familiar to anyone? Isn't that what the terrorist apologists try to say about our current war?

The poster who spoke about peace being not the absence of conflict, but the absence of threat is bang on! There is no peace if you're always looking over your shoulder waiting for the next attack.

Yeah, it is!

naked pagan- No terror attacks?
naked pagan writes: Tuesday, January, 30, 2007 4:26 PM
Shrinque
-No terrorist attack on our shores in five and a half years.
8 Years passed between the first and second WTC attack, so it looks like they are still on schdule.
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No terror attacks on the United States between the attack on the WTC in 1993 and the final one in 2001?

What do you call the following?:

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2637.html
The 1993 World Trade Center bombing that killed 6 and injured 1,000
The 1993 Mogadishu firefight that killed 18 U.S. soldiers
The 1995 Oklahoma City terrorist attack on the federal building by American extremists that killed 168, wounding several hundred others
The 1995 Saudi Arabia car bomb that killed 5 U.S. military personnel
The 1996 Khobal Towers bombing that killed 19 U.S. soldiers, wounding 515
The 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa that killed 231 citizens, 12 Americans and injured 5,000
The 2000 USS Cole attack in Yemen that killed 17 U.S. sailors, wounding 39
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Any attack on a U.S. Embassy is an attack on American Soil.

Attacking an American Battleship is an attack on our property.

And Oklahoma City? Some people are suggesting that McVeigh had ties to Islamic Terror:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53485

And perhaps you may consider Janet Reno's assault on the compound in Waco Texas as a terrorist attack?

Sunset of Aquarius
These hip people were irrelevent then and are more so today. The ME generation of today does not have time for them, despite their shared love of self. Churchill had it right, "If you are not conservative by age thirty, you have no brain."

Another Article at Human Events
Jack Langer says it was big fizzle.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19175

Liberals not patriots
Someone yelled at me here once before for commenting that liberals are not patriotic. I was encouraged that at least some of them apparently are insulted by that comment. Good!

RxLady complains

"Dear Kimberly....
I have recognized a couple of logical fallacies
1. Ad Hominem -
2. Red Herring -
3. Ad Populum -
4. Tu quoque - "

It seems to me that many are having difficulty in arguing logically."

You can find all of these in spades in geezer Cal's original column.

"The ideologically decrepit.."

"This is the doctrine of the privileged and the pampered"

"Hollywood is the land of make-believe where love means never having to say you're sorry and acting means never having to take responsibility for your words and behavior, which are written and directed by others."




Fonda's call for communism
We should not be surprised that a rich and pampered idiot would exhort college students to desire a life under communism. We had silk-shirt sympathizers for the Marxists in the 1930's as well. Why? Because socialism/communism is not at all about redistributing the wealth (that is the lie they tell to gain followers); it is really about CONCENTRATING the wealth into the hands of an elite few. The former Soviet Union is evidence of that; party leaders lived in luxury while "the masses" lived what the USSR's American apologists would call a "simple lifestyle." Then there was Nicolae Ceaucescu of Romania; need I say more? Lenin used to refer to Anerican communist supporters "useful idiots;" a label richly deserved.


Just a few decades more...
... and The Worst Generation will be mostly dead.

alone and fearful for my country
I sit here after reading this excellent article very fearful for my country. We are being deceived and we are being led down the isle to potential destruction. It is happening within. I just finished visiting my son in Colorado Springs while he is on two weeks leave from Baghdad. He tells me of dangers I couldn't imagine nor would want to experience. He does his duty for his country and for his own future. He straps on an M-4 rifle and patrols areas that would make South Central LA look like Disneyland. I love and deeply respect this son of mine who has never had it easy. He lost his mother to cancer two years ago. He gives of himself, and though not perfect by any means-he continues on. I come to work and tell people what he goes through- they turn their heads away and say little- oh an occasional thank you is noted, but overall the attitude is "what a waste" or "I wouldn't have my son over there". The attitude is "don't bother me with reality", "don't make me think or read", "don't bother my entertainment or my selfish pursuits". I state that this morning in London a plot has been stopped that concerned the potential kidnapping and beheading of an English soldier by a militant Islamofascist group- the response? None. It's over there. Let them deal with it. Yes I fear for my country. We are headed in the wrong direction. I served my country proudly at the end of the Vietnam Era and served some in the Carter years- this is errily similar. God help us!

Cal Thomas's Article
Thanks to Mr. Thomas for presenting his argument as tightly as he did. As a former 60's peace protester I would like to announce I've grown up. I've studied history, I've exposed myself to many points of view. I end up in Mr. Thomas's corner. The American public has been ill served by leadership and the media. They have failed to define the threat, they has failed to address critical information available in open sources. They(leadership&media) have failed to understand that communicating the true nature of the treat represented by Islamism is the only responsible thing to do. I urge gentlemen such as Mr. Thomas to redouble the effort to educate the public. To argue to the administration that more as opposed to less details, even at the jeopardy of revealing some sources and methods, is the only path to change the nature of American opinion and support at this time.

Clivesdad
Thank your son from the bottom of our hearts. Let him know that there are many more of us out here who are grateful for his duty than the media or the polls (the propaganda) would allow the public to believe. Note that if it weren't for the "me-me-me's", the media would have little content you know... most of us just don't have the need to hog the camera. So what we end up hearing and seeing are the narcissistic and needy of attention.
It's pervasive and hard to ignore, and can get you feeling like all is lost in this country, that it's full of people who value nothing higher than themselves, who are "entitled". But we must remember that that isn't MOST of us. I honor your son (and you for your service).
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