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Thursday, September 14, 2006
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
The 'stubborn' President Bush
by Cal Thomas
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Had it been a small group of liberals rather than conservative writers meeting with President Bush in the Oval Office on Tuesday, they might have run from the room like scalded dogs when he said: "I've never been more convinced that the decisions I've made are the right decisions." The president volunteered he knows people consider him stubborn and responds to such criticism with, "If you believe in a strategy ... you have to stick to that strategy."

Is this ignoring "facts" that things don't appear to be going swimmingly on the ground in Iraq? No, said the president. He believes the struggle will be a long one with "Islamo-radicalism." He said, "The politics of Iraq are going to just take a while to settle out. People still believe Saddam (Hussein) has a chance to come back." He acknowledged with hindsight "we probably could have trained people ... quicker," by which he apparently meant Iraqi troops, adding quickly, "there are all kinds of ways to look back," but "ideological struggles take time. We live in a world in which there should be, there needs to be, instant success ... things must happen rapidly." He said he thinks this comes from "too many TV channels" where even the most difficult situations are resolved in an hour or less.

Other points the president made regarding the Middle East included:

- "Fifty years from now, it is conceivable that there will be virulent forms of Islamo-radicalism competing. It's conceivable that moderate government be toppled and oil used as a political weapon. It is conceivable that a Middle East where young democracies have been undermined could be dominated by state sponsors of terror with nuclear weapons."

- "The long-term strategy is to change the conditions that enable this ideology to flourish, to out-compete it with better ideas." - He hopes to leave to his successors "foundations" for fighting terrorism and interrogating suspects that will allow future presidents to successfully wage the battle.

- About whether more troops are needed in Iraq: "If (Commanding) General (George) Casey feels like he needs more troops, we'll send them." He said he does not intend to repeat the mistakes of Vietnam during which tactical decisions about military strategy were made by civilians in the White House, and is leaving such decisions to the commanders on the ground.

The president pledged to "try all diplomatic means" in dealing with Iran. "We're in the beginning of dealing with the Iranian issue diplomatically," he said, adding this is what was done with Iraq. But he said insight into the Iranian government is "somewhat clouded." He also said "the world tends to be risk-averse" in its approach to nations and ideologies that threaten us, an apparent reference to European opposition to U.S. policies.

I asked him if he thinks Democrats will win a majority in Congress in the November election. "I don't think they're going to win," he stated. "I don't believe they'll win it, because I believe that these elections will come down to two things: one, firm belief that in order to win the war on terror there must be a comprehensive strategy that recognizes this war is being fought on more than one front; and two, the economy." He did lament that some Republican candidates think they can win by distancing themselves from his policies, noting that could send a message that people who do such things are political opportunists. He implied such a strategy might turn off the GOP base. The president said 12 to 15 races would decide who runs the next Congress.

That view was endorsed by a top White House strategist, who forecasts a post-election spread of 52-48 or 53-47 in the Senate, with Republicans maintaining their majority, and a loss of eight to 12 seats in the House, but with the GOP still in charge. With the president's approval numbers slowly rising to the mid-40s, the strategist say that all Republicans need is a couple more points to be OK.

The strategist, who spoke at an off-the-record lunch, predicted Hillary Clinton will get the Democratic nomination in 2008 and will run against a very good Republican.

Look for the dominant issues leading up to the November election to be the war, taxes, education and the economy. No one at the White House wants to say it publicly, but gas prices continue to fall, and the president might wonder why, when gasoline was $3.50 a gallon, it was on the front page, but now that prices have dropped 80 cents or more in some places, one doesn't see as much attention given to it.

The president suggested he wants to again take on Social Security and Medicare reform, earmark reform and the line-item veto as his domestic priorities after the election. If he's right in his election forecast, he might be able to. If not, he'll be taking on investigations and possibly impeachment resolutions by mostly liberal congressional committee chairs. A lot is riding on the outcome. Maybe that's why he called us in.

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Bush's decisions have been right
Name one terrorist who has said President Bush is a failure like the Democrats have been calling him on a daily bases. Like Harry Reid says constantly he doesn't feel safe, well neither did Zaraqawi when he died looking up at American soldiers. I bet he wasn't thinking President Bush doesn't make right decisions. Regardless of the dangers the Iraqi people have gone to the polls to vote in their elections. Not one of them said it was a wrong decision to have elections with all the killings going on. Osama hasn't been making any long distance calls to President Bush saying it was a wrong decision to hunt him down in Afghanistan. Instead he makes videos saying he's still alive. I don't believe either that the children in Iraq are saying that it was a wrong decision to remove Saddam from power. Their new text books without every other word being Saddam is more educating then loving your dictator text books. When Saddam is sitting in his cell who do you think is on his mind. It isn't Harry Reid. Saddam is thinking he made the wrong decision in not letting the inspectors in. Going into Iraq was the right decision to do by President Bush. The worthless, useless, complaints we have had to endure on a daily bases from the Democrats derive from their ideology that is so outdated the Democrats still can't say which side of this war their on. Nothing that the Democrats have contributed means anything to the Iraqis having a free Iraq. Nothing the Democrats have contributed aids in the fight against terrorism. All of the failure slogans, wrong policies, wrong decisions, questions about changing directions are nothing but Democrats COMPLAINTS. Nothing more. The New Iraq hasn't taken one comment from the Democrats or changing directions slogans and used it to improve life in Iraq for the Iraqis. All the rhetoric we hear from the Democrats in what a failure President Bush is only means something in America. Thank God President Bush is stubborn.

Bush-RNC Blind Spot -Illegal Immigration
Mr. Thomas writes of a 'stubborn' President Bush and the White House's strategic assessment that the "dominant issues leading up to the November election to be the war, taxes, education and the economy."

I humbly beg to differ.

The President's supporters have remained his supporters on issues like Iraq and the War on Terror, since there is a basic understanding that if the war is not an away game it will quickly become a home game. I submit the cause for Bush's plummeting numbers is not Iraq or the WoT. It is the White House's incredible championing of the wildly unpopular Amnesty for Illegal Aliens.

Evidently, there is an invisible wall that runs along the Beltway's outer loop that separates GOP policy makers and the Rest of the Country. Americans are basically a fair bunch, but also feel that there is fundamental need to have our laws enforced.

The sight of thousands, if not millions, of illegal aliens waving foreign flags, often over the upside-down US flag, shouting such things as 'Si se Pueda' and singing of a 'reconquista' infuriated the American base. Bush's coming down decisively in the enemy camp has us feeling betrayed and -- well -- livid.

If it had been orderly Germans, marching in precise ranks, singing 'Deutschland Ueber Alles' might the MSM have covered the demonstrations differently? Would it be any different in substance?

We have learned that the Border Patrol, ICE and the National Guard are hobbled at every turn from the higher-ups. This aggressive federal inaction coupled with recent relevations of the unilaterally- imposed 'Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,' tends to make conservative voters think that Bush is marching to a distant and foreign drum -- not an American drum.

A Republican majority will be insured if the House at least re-passes Border Enforcement and puts the obstructing parties in the spotlight, and if Tancredo runs for President, the White House will remain ours as well.

But that is far from what is being done in Washington and if the Republicans lose the majority come November, it will be because Bush has betrayed not only his constituents, but his country as well.

OK but
I like Cal Thomas and his direct no nonsense style. There is alot of merit in his article about President Bush's explaination about the nature of the present conflict. The issues are profound.

But the immigration problems, to the administration, seem far too insignificant for them to engage in.

Would Cal put His no nonsense style at work on that?




The 'Stubborness'
can be a double edged.


The 'stubborn' president Bush
Mr. Thomas writes "when gasoline was $3.50 a gallon, it was on the front page, but now that prices have dropped 80 cents or more in some places, one doesn't see as much attention given to it".

I can tell the president why.This is a MSM and democratic Bush bashing tactic.They always tend to point out the bad things but when something goes right,it's ignored because it makes our president look good.

my 2 cents
RV - Good points about Illegal immigration.

I have voted in 10 presidential elections. 5 times Democrat and 5 times Republican. I am a retired union man but before that I was in the service for 3 1/2 years. The unions have been in bed with the Democrats since I can remember and their rhetoric is SO retro that it's not even remotely funny anymore. (There is of course the fact that the New York Firefighters - remember them? supported President Bush's reelection in 2004)

But enough about me

We need a viable alternative to the folks in control in Washington. In 2004 the Democrats nominated John Kerry. This is a man whom I as a Vietnam era veteran consider a liar a coward and a traitor - primarily for his testimony in 1971 and his consistent lies since then about what a hero he is. (Hint - real heroes don't accept a Purple Heart for a wound covered by a band-aid).

Bulletin - I am starting to reel in wonder at the splendor and beauty of my oratory so I'll get off the soapbox but before that -

Democrats - If you want to take over give us some reasonable candidates.

Republicans - It's the national debt, stupid! And can we have a reasonable policy on Illegal immigration?


IN CONCLUSION;

an open letter to Rush Limbaugh, Molly Ivins, Al Franken, Ann Coulter and ALL those who (in my not so humble opinion) profit (Hugely) from exploiting the differences between us:

Take a few months off. We are smart folks and we can take it from here.

afn&tt

1 more thing
Is this a great country or what?

Foundations
- "The long-term strategy is to change the conditions that enable this ideology to flourish, to out-compete it with better ideas." - He hopes to leave to his successors "foundations" for fighting terrorism and interrogating suspects that will allow future presidents to successfully wage the battle.

Several questions:
1. What political philosophy underwrites this notion?
2. What evidence suggests that this philosophy will work in Islamic culture?
3. Will enough of the foundation be laid before the next administration changes course?

Longterm strategy
Bush states: "The long-term strategy is to change the CONDITIONS that ENABLE this IDEOLOGY to flourish.

The ideology is Islam (not radical Islam which I consider a redundancy) it is Islam. Even in free countries like England Muslims are committing terrorists acts...not because they aren't free but because the very basic tenants of their faith teaches violence as the answer.

The "long-term" strategy would be for Muslims to come to Christ. We should be broadcasting the Gospel into the Middle East just as we sent broadcasts behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War.

And lastly, Lydia my dear...We are in WWIII. If we don't wake up to this reality we are all going to be killed. Trust me, the Muslims love it when you say it is a "Bush scheme". It takes the spotlight off them and the true nature of the danger we are facing.

llegal immigration & Amnesty
The anarchy from Mexico is encroaching our southern border and the taxpayer and drug user are paying for their weapons. We are being held hostage to it by our own governments refusal to deal with it.

Amnesty is a slap in the face to law abiding people. Expecting them to pay for it is a total disconnect by the bureaucracy. There have to be boundaries and laws for a civilization to survive. Amnesty sends the message of a free for all except the taxpayer.

I like leadership and stubborness. Just don't be a stubborn frog in a kettle of water with fire under it.

Jane
Thank you for ressurecting Ann Coulter's plan for world peace. Shortly after 9/11/01, she said of islam (paraphrasing) we should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert the people to Christianity. Sounds drastic, but it has a greater chance of working than any of the other ideas that have been forwarded. There will not be peace in the middle east as long as the people there believe in a god that sanctions murder.

Lydia: re your new law
You wrote: "A new law that says that anyone who supports Bush's WW3 scheme MUST put on the uniform and go fight over in the middle east? It has no age and physical limitation exemptions"

Sounds good, if Part 2 to the law is that anyone who opposes the war has to go to Iraq and live there as an indigenous civilian for 2 years.

PS to Lydia
My old uniform still fits, and I can provide my own weapon and ammo.

What size burqha do you wear?

BrianR
You better purchase the new cup upgrade for your old uniform if you are taking Lydia with you

Just a veteran's point of view....
Isn't this country great? I will presume that all of us love this country. Those of you that don't can go live somewhere else.

It's indeed wonderful that we still have the freedom to debate and argue....yes even bicker.
And while we do that our common enemy, the Islamofascists laugh.

We can question Bush's policies, we can question whether or not we should have gone to Iraq, we can complain about illegal aliens, and whether or not the destruction of the World Trade center was a conspiracy.

We can argue who would be a better president or who we want to represent us in Congress. We can question our foriegn policy and debate the issue of church and state.

We can question everything including who's right or who's wrong. And that's good. Our freedom's are still intact.

And while we do, our enemies plot and plan and train to destroy us and everything we believe in.

Do you think for one minute these animals will care if you are liberal or conservative? Do you think they care if you are left or right, if you are male or female or underage?

While we question all these things and debate, our enemies are busy.

Want a small picture of what our enemy does? Go here; http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianChildAbuse/ , take a look.
Or here; http://www.islamistheproblem.org to find out more about the future our enemies have in store for us.

Shocking? Yes maybe to some.

You can question the validity of the pictures and the articles. Go ahead. They can all be verified...factual data to be sure.

And after you visit the slide show or the web site listed what will you do then?

DO something besides complain and whine......

Wake up people. Know your enemy, before it's too late.

Anymore questions?

"qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum"

"sit Deus nobis"


"keep five yards"

Solo
Thanks Solo. Of course you are right. It's just that whining is so theraputic and this is a good place for it.

When we turn off the computer, we do have to go back to the real world and do what we can for our fellow citizens and our safety.

Good, passionate, and fired up post. Thanks Solo.

So Lydia....
....with the understanding that wars need domestic support back home, you would posit that all domestic debate regarding any and all wars must by definition exclusively present the anti-war point of view, because anybody who supports the war is obligated(by law if possible) to be in the field of battle actually fighting it?

Sounds to me like you are just a person who cannot handle debate and needs to remove the opposition from the equation before very loudly and forcefully putting your own point of view up for scrutiny.

fear
Excellent post Solo. Whether or not we should have gone to Iraq is moot. We are there. Now we need to come together and win if we want to continue to exist. Liberals don't get it. They will be the first to go, under Islam. I think they won't admit the problem exists because then, like a person whose spouse is cheating, if they admit there is a problem they then have to do something about it. I think they are afraid to upset the status quo. Fear of change and fear of violence leaves denial as the only option.

Lydia's Law
If I get to go back into the Army, can I get my old rank back?

BrianR: Your old uniform still fits!? You really know how to hurt a guy . . .

to rv, Uncle Max et al...
1 more thing
Is this a great country or what?

Sadly....I think it's greatness is on the way out largely because of Bush's 'stubborness' on the illegal invasion.

RV and the rest; hear me claping claping in agreement....WHEN are these elite, New World Order/North American Union creeps, going to listen to us SCREAMING out here???!!!

And one more thing....I think Bush has become a wus...with N Korea, Iran, Islamofacist prisoners...

But with the beatbeatbeat of the MSM and the left...man! it's a crazy time.

DavidMac: LOL
Yeah, sorry, bro. It really does.

BrianR
So your uniform still fits. Admit it: You just got out.

My shoes and boots might still fit if I could find them.

RiverKing: sorry, my friend LOL
Feb 1969 - Feb 1972, including a tour of RVN summer of 69 - summer of 70.

Man! I can't believe that was 37 YEARS AGO!

No wonder I don't recognize that old guy staring at me from my mirror.

Passion....we all need it
The United States of America is the greatest country on the face of the earth. I propose it is the greatest country in the history of the world. Just my opinion of course.

Debate is healthy isn't it? We are afterall a nation of free people. Diverse in character and idea's. We are all human and by nature we all whine on occasion...but the key is we are also free to do so.

Our freedoms have come at great cost....freedom is never free.

Think about the young men and women who doned the uniform of a soldier. Leaving this beautiful country behind to take up arms and put an end to tyranny and to help those who can't. Sacrificing their very lives for the sake of freedom and those who desire it.

Debate whether it was right or wrong but thank them for giving you the right to do so.
They made choices and acted upon them and they have earned the right to speak out for or against the war in Iraq or any other war.

Whatever you believe in...whatever God or god you pray to...whether or not you can or will put on a uniform to fight for the oppressed...you can support those who do wear the uniform of our country.

We can visit the young soldiers in hospitals and we can write letters to those who are at their duty stations.

Can't drive? Can't write?

Ok....then send an e-mail to them. Surely there is something you can do.
A simple thank you is enough.

I for one am not willing to let their sacrifices or those that went before us be denigrated or belittled.

So I say to all you who wear the uniform and all those who did at one time.

Thank you.


"semper fidelis"



"keep your interval"

BrianR: I knew it!
You're younger than me and that's why your uniforms still fit! I was in VietNam a whole two years before you.

You don't recognize the old guy in the mirror? I have to put my glasses on to be able to see him.

raidencraig: well, I have to say
I thank your family for their service, with one gaping exception.

That, of course, would be you.

Raidencraig: my bad!
I responded to your Part One, before reading your Part Two.

Since you agree with Lydia as far as her compulsive military combat service idea for those who support the WOT (no exceptions, yada yada), I also assume that in the spirit of intellectual consistency you also support my proposal for the Part Deux of her idea, i.e.: that those of you who oppose the WOT get to go live in Iraq for two years as Iraqi civilians. She seems to have shut her yap after I asked her the size of her burqha. In your case, waist and inseam will do for baggy Middle-East style pantaloons.

solo: great post
I spent the last 3 days on a business trip. Every time I saw a uniformed serviceman/woman in the airports, I told them: "Great job!"

RiverKing:
You're two years older than me?

Old Fart!

LOL

Support Lydia if you want
Do not for a minute think we can walk away from Iraq and things will be fine. All I'm saying is it is too late to change our minds, for then the Iraqis will surely be slaughtered. Just like when our troops left Viet Nam. Do you know our guys never lost a battle there? Ho Che Min was ready to surrender, but the Russians who knew what was going on in this country, convinced him to hold on a little longer. Do you think the terrorists don't notice what is going on here? Don't you think they might just decide to "hold on" until you people wear the rest of us down, or we get an election that benefits them? My whole family is military, starting with an uncle in WW1. That doesn't give me any more (or less) right to voice my opinion. And because you have family who served does not make your opinion any more valid than mine. I'll bet your Uncle who served in Viet Nam was really angry to find out that it was all for nothing, when it didn't have to end that way. When you have politicians whose first thought is to cover their own a*ses, and guard their careers to the detriment of all else, everything they touch is poisoned from the start. From the beginning, Democrats have been screaming this is GW's Viet Nam. Well , you and people like you are making darn sure that prophecy comes true.

I am ready
I am blind in one eye and can barely see with the other BUT If you will sen me a ticket and rife I will be on my way because President Bush IS DOING THE RIGHT THING.

I will give my address if you need it to send the rife and ticket.

BTW; I use a magnifying glass to read.

Lydia:
Still waiting for your burqha size, there, Little Miss Hypocrite.

Lydia
You've obviously never visited the Great Plains states, or been through basic training (1/38th Rock of the Marne). There are plenty of "farm boys" left.

Secondly, you assume that we should continue to absorb periodic murders of American citizens. You, also, seem to be rather cavalier with the lives of others.

Sure we can avoid wars, we just have to be willing to accept the murder of our fellow citizens with no response. It may be a Christian virtue to turn the other cheek, but when one turns the other cheek for someone else, one is not demonstrating Christian Charity.

Lastly, hiding under desks...living with the constant threat of imminent immolation...living with the threat of a hot war breaking out at any moment...this is what you'd like a return to? At least this way we get to dictate the parameters of the battlefield, rather than allowing others to dictate them for us.

Bush is right: it's Saddam, not Hussein
I'm not sure why Cal had to put "Hussein" in parenthesis when he quoted President Bush who said "Saddam." Saddam is, in fact, the correct way to refer to the former dictator of Iraq, Saddam Hussein.

Perhaps Cal thinks those of us who occasionally hold our nose and read the NYT would not know of which Saddam President Bush spoke. The ill-informed editors of the New York Times incorrectly call the former dictator, murderer "Mr. Hussein" as if that were his last name and as if this man deserved a modicum of respect.

Not only do those NYT left-wing idiots not understand the war we are fighting they haven't bothered to learn how the man should be properly referred to.

Raidencraig: no, no, no, you fool
I never ever use the Chickenhawk argument.

You used it in reverse in cahoots with Lydia. What I'm saying is that if you think that those who support the war need to be willing to go and fight it (as I am, incidentally), then I say that in order to be intellectually consistent you jerks who want to wave the white flag need to be equally willing to go over there and live with the consequences of our pullout as Iraqi civilians. Or is that concept too complicated for your little jingoistic mind?

BTW, Raidencraig.
It's meaningless to raise your family's military contributions to the history of this country when you yourself didn't even make a dent.

Man, talk about trying to ride on the coattails of others! THAT is truly contemptible.

Raidencraig, hopelessly short-sighted
Sorry buddy.

The idea behind Iraq is not to establish an American outpost. It is twofold: first, to demolish a very dangerous regime in the age of terror--Saddam's. Second, to establish in its place conditions by which the people of that country can choose for themselves how they want their affairs ordered.

Jury's out on whether they'll simply choose a theocracy and all of this is for naught.

But if they choose freedom, such as it is for them, both their economic and religious lives will blossom in a way that will ignite desire for the same choices in countries round about.

Bush's conviction is that democracies don't attack other countries. The culture of dictatorship was tolerable when all they could attack us with was AK-47s.

Today, they are developing the ability to reach out and touch us with much larger and deadlier means, up to and including nuclear weapons. September 11, 2003 illustrated the passion to actually use these means against us.

The Iraq war was never about garrisoning an oil-rich nation to solidify the American Empire.

It has always been about atoning for our nation's past sins: propping up little dictators who fed their nations' hatreds to further their own murderous fiefdoms.

As to the Iraq war "feeding Anti-Americanism:"

That horse left the barn long ago, or hadn't you noticed?

September 11, 2001
Sorry about the typo.

Question for Raidencraig
Nuclear deterrence worked for decades with the Soviets because they didn't want to die.

How do you deter a suicide bomber?

What you have not done, my friend, is place yourself in the seat of the commander-in-chief. You are not equipped to do so. He has many choices on what to do in the face of this threat.

None of the choices is very great. They are all fraught with danger for us as a people and the world as a whole.

Your support of the options depends on whether you believe what the French and the Germans and the Palestinians say about you and your people: You're bad. If you think it is your fault because you are an American and you are bad, then you are probably (a) a democrat and (b) opposed to going after those Bush describes as 'evil,' because after all, we're the evil ones here. That's why the world hates us so.

If you think the world's hatred of the United States is born largely of foolish pride and envy in Europe and religious fanaticism in the Middle East, then you're more likely to be with Bush on this thing.

We warmongers believe that since the premises for America-hatred are false, any action taken on their basis is at best misguided and at worst evil in the extreme. Furthermore, any American who knows the truth about his people is far from the European caricature will stand up to defend the character and honor of his people.

The John Kerrys who just can't wait to slam their own country and its people are the ones who say our own self-defense 'feeds anti-Americanism.' Screw them. Anybody out there who thinks America has no right to defend itself against attacks from these wackos was already anti-American.

The anti-American horse, I repeat, was out of the barn long before Iraq.

You're lying.
Saddam worked with al Qaeda.

Not on 9/11 that we know of, but the ties were extensive.

To say that Hussein was not as great a threat as Iran is to engage in hindsight.

We thought, and our best intelligence led us to believe, that Saddam was the greater threat.

Saddam "hated" al Qaeda? Please cite your source.

Thanks for cherry-picking there, raiden
The war has indeed been about atoning for past support of petty dictators in the Middle East.

In point of fact, it was that past support, NOT THE CURRENT WAR, that nourished anti-American sentiment in the region.

The other, far more important reasons for this war, you conveniently glossed over. The most important:

Democracies don't attack each other. Dictatorships attack other countries all the time. It's a waste of money to try and give the people control of their own governments so that disastrous wars can be averted? This war is hard and it is long, but it is anything but disastrous. Ask your dad if you want to know about a real disaster.

Disaster today is what you are courting: appeasing the America-hating fanatics who are building bombs as fast as they can and working relentlessly on the means to deliver them.

Wasting time, money and lives? This is a desperate struggle to head off an apocalyptic disaster, you idiot. This isn't a little bit of foreign adventurism. Every life spent in this struggle is a part of the burden we bear to keep evil men at bay.

What is your position on them? Do they exist? Are they working on weapons that will cause massive disaster right here in America?

If you don't believe the danger exists, you can go on with your little delusion about this fight being a "waste of money, time and lives."

If you do believe the danger is real, we'd all love to hear your strategy for countering it.

The Democrats are all about going back to the Clinton method of burying our collective head in the sand. What's different about the way you would address the threat?
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