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Monday, May 25, 2009
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
It Takes a Village of Idiots
by Burt Prelutsky
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I have always found it odd that whenever the producers of TV, movies and records, are accused of setting a bad example for the kids, they always insist that their product is simply entertainment and that entertainment in no way influences youthful behavior. If they really believed it, they’d have to be even stupider than they are.

It’s not just that they’re every bit as aware as the rest of us that advertisers spend billions of dollars a year advertising their merchandise in the media, but additional fortunes are spent on product placement in motion pictures targeted to young people. They also know that advertisers get into bidding wars for the services of a LeBron James.

But the real proof that these people are lying through their teeth when they tell you that the tube lacks the power to influence kids is to be found on their shelves and their walls. All you have to do is check out the various plaques and scrolls with which they adorn their offices. Let a TV show’s young star be seen buckling up when he gets in his car, and the producer is sure to be honored for promoting safe driving. When years ago, the Fonz was shown to have a library card, librarians all over the country saw the number of young readers spike overnight. The producers received a ton of commendations for promoting literacy.

On the reverse side, when such terrible role models as Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton and Britney Spears misbehave, the ripples are felt all across teenage America.

Some years ago, Charles Barkley, then a star in the NBA, said he didn’t sign on to serve as anybody’s good example. Instead, he announced that kids should use their parents as role models. If only it were that simple. Unfortunately, a large number of children don’t have fathers in their lives. But the sad truth is that even when there is a father in the house, kids rarely hold their hard-working dads in the same high regard they do basketball players and rock stars.

All in all, I’m glad I’m not young anymore. I’m even grateful I’m not raising a youngster. That’s because liberals are doing their best to destroy childhood.

I’m not saying it’s their intention, but it’s certainly how things are working out. It’s as if they can’t wait to hurry the sprouts through what should be their innocent years. Trying to turn something as joyful as Christmas into something as barren as the winter solstice is only one sad part of the campaign.

First, we can’t wait to get the tots out of the home and into pre-school. Then we get them into grammar school and pile on homework, lest they get the idea that childhood is supposed to be fun. Judging by the test scores, the homework is nothing but punishment for the sin of being young. It obviously isn’t for the purpose of education or so many teenagers wouldn’t be graduating from high school without math or language skills.

The one area in which young people are well ahead of their ancestors is in sexual matters. At a tender age or at least what should be a tender age, the girls are learning to put prophylactics on bananas and the boys are learning to swagger like pint-sized pimps.

I would like to lay most of the blame on Bill Clinton, who had parents all over the country being asked by their youngsters to define a blow job. But those perverted beauty pageants for five-year-olds such as JonBenet Ramsey had tainted the American landscape even before Clinton got around to tainting the Oval Office.

When I first began to realize how little concern we have for our children, aside from providing them with expensive sneakers and pricey electronic toys, was when I saw the light sentences doled out to pedophiles. Whenever one of these creatures abducts a youngster, it gets its share of media attention, but not nearly as much as when some college party girl goes missing in Mexico or Bermuda. Furthermore, nobody has yet explained why a pedophile, once caught and convicted, is ever released from prison or an asylum. But, then, liberal compassion tends to go to the victimizer and not the victim simply because, being such an abnormality, it allows them to feel extra special about themselves.

What really irks liberals, though, is smoking. That’s why Camels recently got into legal trouble in Pennsylvania for using a cartoon character in its cigarette advertising. The company had already suffered dire consequences because of their earlier use of Joe Camel. Frankly, I never understood why kids would rush out and begin smoking because of an ugly, hump-nosed, cartoon, especially when they already get to see all the cool liberal actors and rock stars smoking in real life.

However, be that as it may, the real war on kids is taking place in the classroom and the movie theater. That’s where the real terror is lurking these days, just waiting to ruin the dreams of children. It takes the form of nonstop propaganda about global warming.

When I was a child, the bogyman was an imaginary creature hiding under my bed. Now, thanks to Al Gore and his ilk, bogymen are lurching across the countryside like the zombies in horror movies, terrifying the kids. That’s all the kids, including the little sons and daughters of liberals. According to recent studies, a huge percentage of 10-year-olds believe the earth will be entirely under water before they’re grown-up. I call it child abuse, and if those parents weren’t a bunch of politically correct, brain-dead, pantywaists, they’d put a stop to it. Instead, they take their kids to see left-wing pap like “Earth,” and they cheer on people like Gore and Pelosi, who are making millions upon millions of dollars off their investments in this massive hoax. These self-righteous cretins love green, okay; greenbacks, that is.

Unlike Chicken Little, who insisted the sky was falling, and scared all the critters in the barnyard, these greedy little creeps are screaming that the ice is melting, and scaring all the kids in the schoolyard.

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Alice - GA 6:10 5/26
I don't know where you live in FL, but I do hope it is way south! I live in Atlanta and would not want the kids to run into you or your ilk with such a bad attitude and disposition ... Alice

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Alice I live in N FL. I moved out of S FL to get away from selfish, self-absorbed, material clutching kids and parents (like you??). Apparently, my preference to teach morality, honor, and virtue over materialism and other selfish ideology is what you consider as a "bad attitude and disposition"??

Sorry, fake materialistic idols or people are not for me. I pray this is not what you teach your kids.

No wonder there are so many misguided kids out there, with attitudes like yours who have disdain toward parents that see value in non-materialism child rearing.




lets see eric
you want to secede huh.

well we need to start building the border fence in oklahoma.

texas has recieved 16 billion dollars from the feds during perry's tenure.

4 billion from fema alone.

of course all the sports teams would leave and the feds would have to be reimbursed for everything from food stamps to interstate highway maintenance.

you would have to raise your own military and your own homeland security at airports and other federally run jurisdictions.

and i haven't even got to the treason part of secession.

america---- love it or leave it.

Depressed Kids
And you wonder why kids are depressed and suicidal? Adults are telling them the world, as we know it, is going to cease to exist in 5-10 years. That's what the globalony-ists are proclaiming, every chance they get. Impressionable kids need to hear there is a bright future and they can live great lives. Not that the world is ending because we burp too-much CO2. You are correct, this IS child abuse, in its worst form. Killing the dreams of a future is the worst thing you can do to a child.

Parent today
I saw an example of this in Sears recently.

A four year old girl was being shown an outfit with a bare midriff. The mother was trying to talk the child into wearing it. The poor girl kept shaking her head no.

Finally the mother said, "... but don't you want to look sexy for your boyfriend?"

And she would probably wonder why her daughter starts an interest in sex at a young age.

Eddie, I agree with you...
It's time for Larry Flynt to pony up the bucks like he did during Bubba's impeachment.

To refresh your memory, it was Flynt who offered hundreds of thousands (millions?) to anyone who could "out" the affairs of Republicans in office. This was supposed to make Clinton somehow NOT guilty of COMMITTING PERJURY.

It's time for some rich type to pony up some bucks and say, "I'll give $5 million bucks to anyone who can provide a verifiable copy of Obama's vault copy birth certificate. And I'll cover your legal defense when they drag you to court."

Nothing fires people up quite like a financial reward. If Obama won't do release his birth certificate, maybe a nice big stack of Franklins will it for us.

Hal Donahue
Hal the resident troll is really only 1/6th as smart as he thinks he is. Hal always talks with this air of knowledge. He would never admit that he is wrong, when he usually is. That is the true sign of being a moron liberal democrat. Hal is a waste of time.


OUCK FBAMA

Obama and Hal Donahue are both racist pigs !!!!

Tim...
"Global warming AND cooling has been going on for millenniums. Remember the global cooling theory published on the cover of either Time or Newsweek (I don't remember which) back in the 1970's? The industrial age and the great producer of CO2 only started in the last century or so. So what caused the previous warming AND cooling trends? I don't think it was us conservatives that seem to be the culprits this time around."

Very well said, Tim. I find it funny - yet tragically funny - how liberals think that humans have the power and the wherewithall to effect climate so much so, that we need to drastically change our lifestyle ONLY IN AMERICA to stave-off certain annihilation.

There's only one being powerful enough to truly effect the environment: God. And when he decides that "it's time", all of the unrecylce-able flourecent light bulbs and Toyota Priuses in the free world couldn't save a soul.

"It is hard to take liberals serious on much of what they babble on about. And this global warming crap is just as loony as most of that stuff. Few if any of them think things through to a logical end."

Anybody who takes these climate change psychoses and this whole green movement/brainwashing garbage seriously needs to take a good long look in the mirror...prior to checking themselves into the nearest mental institution for some serious therapy.

Or take their theories and alarmisms to China or Russia, try to make them change their lifestyles in the name of being more "green"...and see how long they last.

eddie too
i am not going to play this long because your position is so absurd.

he has proved he is a citizen.

in order to run for office you must also produce a birth certificate.

you did not answer my question. have you ever had to produce your birth certificate?

if so, you would understand that obama is a legal resident.

state and federal judges and the supreme court have all said you are simply silly in your quest.

give it up my friend, you simply have no leg to stand on and are not a person of standing to begin with.

Every decision obama makes as

POTUS is illegitimate and thus has no legal bearing on the conduct of the U.S. government. That includes appointing people to the SCOTUS.

After obama is imprisoned for his fraud, there will be an enormous cost and problem eliminating the effects of all of his fraudulent decisions.

christianlib,

Hawaii issued obama a certificate of live birth.

Are you saying the U.S. passport office would not accept that as sufficient for issuing a passport? How do you know this? Government bureaucracies are notoriously inept, inefficient and ineffective.

Could someone as sly and artful as obama have obfuscated his true nationality? He most certainly could have fooled the bureaucrats and he did.

Otherwise he would have had to supply his original birth certificate that states he was born in Kenya, just as his paternal grandmother and the Kenyan ambassador to the U.S. have already stated.

You are the one walking around with your head where the sun does not shine. You are one of the millions of suckers that by following obama confirms P.T. Barnum's old saying that, "There's a sucker born every minute?"

I am sure if you could prove obama was born in the U.S.A. you would not hesitate to do so.

socrates 400BC
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

eddie too
you must have developed an ulcer by now since your little conspiracy campaign has led to nothing.

by the way have you ever had a passport?

if you did, you would know that you have to provide a certified birth certificate and be able to answer questions about it.

but because you are not a rational person you have no idea what i am talking about do you?

obama's original birth certficate

proves he was not born in the U.S.A.

That means of course that he is a fraud and imposter who should be sentenced to life in a federal prison.

as usual grouchy burt is wrong
i grew up in the midwest in the 50's in an almost idyllic childhood.

much to my surprise, my son, in southern california had a very similiar childhood.

he grew up roaming the neighborhood with his friends, playing squirt guns , building forts, playing sports and just having a wonderful time.

in high school he played basketball on the varsity, went to friday night football games, joined two Christian clubs on campus and was involved in student government.

he hates alcohol and cigarettes, and drugs.

his girlfriend is in berkely, and he goes to the local university while working at panera bread resturant which was started as a Christian business.

burt has no personal experience with life or children anymore so he finds the most negative aspects in our culture, blames it on the liberals, and considers himself a sage.

more and more conservatives like burt seem to be living in an alternative universe than the rest of us.

How about an answer?


jim Location: CA
Reply # 76
Date: May 25, 2009 - 7:12 PM EST
the students make the teacher

It Takes a Village of Idiots
I give you Shorts, TR, Hal Drunkahue, Lily, Sophie and other Liberal Garbage.

And that is why...
we chose to begin homeschooling our children last November. It's hard - really hard, but the alternative is to allow an indoctrination of your children that you may not even realize until it is far far too late.

Homeschoolers are often ridiculed in the press and on TV, but it hardly impacts my conviction to provide the best education possible to my children when the village of idiots is calling me names.

AMERICAN TAXPAYERS
vote with their feet and flee The People's Republik of Maryland.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124329282377252471.html

Classic. Libstooges raise taxes, people move away. Gee, go figure.

SPEAKING OF IDIOTS
check out Comrade Zero's NEW SCOTUS pick to replace Justice Eminent Domain Souter.

(Click on my handle to read the NUMBER ONE blog on TH and the one taking the fight to the libs every single day! Except weekends when I am out recruiting other right-wing extremists, according to Nappy at the DoJ)

Tacitus Limitus - part 2
This is really a cultural problem, and conservatives have greatly added to it. The blind worship of the free market expressed by conservatives helped create the materialism, greed, love of money and do-anything-to-get-ahead-attitude that’s gotten us in the state we’re in. One cannot serve both God and Mammon. Old time populists, like William Jennings Bryan, understood this. Bryan opposed both laissez-faire Capitalism and Darwinism, and for the same reason: they glorified the strong at the expense of the weak. Threats to humane values come in many forms, not all of them conveniently wearing labels like “statism" or “collectivism.” Wake up and smell the fire.

Tacitus Limitus - part 1
Actually, I think you’re confusing two different things:

1. leveling strong criticism against the free market
2. advocating replacing the free market with another system

If you look at my posts you’ll see that I only did the first and I never did the second. It wasn’t my intention to talk about prescriptions or policies, just analysis. The free market is enormously productive and efficient and I wouldn’t dream of replacing it, particularly with anything like central planning. So #2 was never the point.

But, I don’t think you fully appreciate the negative effects of the free market, particularly the negative cultural effects, which I stress because I assume most townhallers are social conservatives. I agree that fear of fire would not be a sufficient motivation for eliminating oxygen, but I think you are simply ignoring fire, including house fire, industrial fire, forest fire – not to mention rust! If a father has to work 2 jobs to support his family but never sees them because he’s always working – isn’t that the market undercutting the family? If a ghetto youth kills another boy to take his cool expensive sneakers – isn’t that materialism causing human life to be devalued? If a CEO ships jobs to sweatshops in Malaysia – isn’t greed undermining patriotism? How are these examples any different than the Hollywood producer glorifying violence and sex to make millions? Why is your critique of the free market so specifically focused only on entertainment? Why is your critique so limited?

Keeping Race Topics Alive
Also, Shorty in NJ, if you have a beef with slavery at this point in your life, why do you not study African History. It was in Africa that Slavery was Rampant. Tribes in Africa have been murdering and enslaving their fellow-Africans for thousands of years.
It is still going on in 2009.

It was in Africa where the port cities had holding compounds, much like cattle yards, where the Black Africans held their Fellow-African citizens, and sold them to international slave traders.

Slavery is a bad thing. It was a bad thing throughout history. But, to sit here in 2009, and continue to discuss such a subject is nothing more than Race Hustling on the part of folks such as you, who learned this Tactic from Race Hustlers who have made their Living Keeping Hatred and Racism alive. This includes our current president, who is nothing more than a shrewd Kinder and Gentler Race Hustler.

ACORN is a racist organization and King Obama worked for this outfit and his job there was in Radicalising and Teaching Acorn Members to be Radicals and Criminals, and he used Race Hatred and Slavery Rhertoric, and Re-Distributing other people's money rhetoric to enlist members, and at the same time Paid Volunteers to be Volunteers. And they Paid the ACORN volunteers with Tax Payers money.

Shorty, you need to get over Racism and Slavery. Racism still exists in the USA today, and it is mostly Blacks who have been Taught Hate and Racism. Race Hustling is a way of Life for a Few, who have made their entire life mission to keep Racial Tensions and Hatred alive. Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakhan, Al Sharpton, Elijah Mohammed, Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, Maxine Waters, and many others come to mind.

Educating Shorty Finale
.... And they Paid the ACORN volunteers with Tax Payers money.

Shorty, you need to get over Racism and Slavery. Racism still exists in the USA today, and it is mostly Blacks who have been Taught Hate and Racism. Race Hustling is a way of Life for a Few, who have made their entire life mission to keep Racial Tensions and Hatred alive. Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakhan, Al Sharpton, Elijah Mohammed, Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, Maxine Waters, and many others come to mind. The reason that it is so easy to keep this subject alive, is that the Liberal Democrats, keep poor people Enslaved to Welfare programs, and keeps Promising to Re-Distribute Wealth, and Reparations for Slavery, etc.

If the Race Hustling business did not Promise Monetary Rewards for the past, they would have very few followers. These Politicians and Race Hustlers in the Liberal Democrat Party know exactly what they are doing. And, what is so sad about all this Shorty, is that ignorant folks such as you have been dumbed down and brainwashed and you do not even know it and do not even know how to think for yourselves.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, and the Liberal Democrat Establishment and the MSM has been busy destroying the minds of children in the USA for far too long now. Wake Up Shorty, you are a Slave to Government and their Promises. That is why it is my one and only mission in life today is to Take Back Our Children and Take Back Our Communities, and Take Back Our Schools. Children, Shorty, All Children, regardless of color. The Liberals are the ones who Keep Racism and Color alive, not conservatives. Wake Up Shorty, Wake Up Liberals. You guys have been brainwashed and don't even know it.

Educating Shorty continued
Also, Shorty in NJ, if you have a beef with slavery at this point in your life, why do you not study African History. It was in Africa that Slavery was Rampant. Tribes in Africa have been murdering and enslaving their fellow-Africans for thousands of years.
It is still going on in 2009.

It was in Africa where the port cities had holding compounds, much like cattle yards, where the Black Africans held their Fellow-African citizens, and sold them to international slave traders.

Slavery is a bad thing. It was a bad thing throughout history. But, to sit here in 2009, and continue to discuss such a subject is nothing more than Race Hustling on the part of folks such as you, who learned this Tactic from Race Hustlers who have made their Living Keeping Hatred and Racism alive. This includes our current president, who is nothing more than a shrewd Kinder and Gentler Race Hustler.


Public Schools
If the most liberal politician in America, now ensconced in the Oval Orifice, doesn't send his kids to public why would anyone else?

ALL CONCERNED
The ANTI LIBERAL ZONE goes video today with, "Test Your Stomach." Click on my handle to check it out.

"Youth is wasted..."
As George Bernard Shaw put it, "Youth is wasted on the young." Anyone who believes that music (with or without words), movies, TV shows (mini- and mostly low-class movies), music videos (the worst excuse for entertainment available today, short of most current animation vehicles), and more, do not influence, often DETERMINE the behaviour of people, particularly the young, is only engaging in the purest form of self-deception, to wit, being an utter fool. I have written and performed music, songs and intrumentals, all my life, and know, as does anyone who creates performing art, and is honest about it, that the only reason I do so is to influence others. Anyone who does write, produce, and, or perform performing arts, and claims otherwise, is lying through his or her teeth.

Harmony
Lilly @ Post # 215

Thank you for supporting all of us who object to one dime of our hard-earned salaries being forcefully confiscated and then poured into the empty well of the public schools you describe.

I admire your honesty; you clearly know that no matter how much we citizens pay for ever-increasing school taxes, OUR money is going down the drain as far as results.

You understand why we are frustrated and angry.

Bert
It is amazing to me that the pols have the nerve to back the garbage Gore, etc. spout. We are so screwed and they are filling their pockets and bank accounts. It is the biggest scam and our representatives in Wash. D.C. are whoe heartedly backing it and undoubtedly getting a big cut. I'm very discouraged.

Kids Used To Raise Taxes
Kids are a commodity. They are being used to push agendas forward for the militant gay activitists who are using our tax dollars to promote same sex in the schools without parental consent. How can the government force sex lessons in text books on children using our tax dollars against the desires of the parents and most of the public?
Kids are being used to see condoms.
Kids are being used to sell abortion pills
Kids are being used to promote sex and abortions.
Why: Raise taxes to promote Planned Parenthood; Abortion clinics; the gay programs in government; as each of the above intertwines and keeps this big business going and the taxes coming in for their agendas and for-profit. And, this agenda reduces the population in time.


txtruman responded to
There's no conflict between lauding the free market as a political-economic system and complaining about certain things produced in free markets. You're conflating two different issues. No economic system ever devised can hold a candle to the free market when it comes to increasing the standard of living of the average person. To blame the free market for undesirable products is somewhat like blaming oxygen for house fires. Clearly, without oxygen, there would be no house fires, but would it make sense to eliminate oxygen from the atmosphere?

Because free markets are human endeavors, and humans are fallible, mistakes will be made. The point is that the free market is far superior to any other economic system because (as Hayek pointed out) the market efficiently transmits the combined knowledge of every market participant in deciding how resources are to be allocated to maximize wealth. All other systems are restricted to the infinitely lesser knowledge of a small handful of decision-makers and even that information is transmitted inefficiently. Worse yet, the more complex the system, the less a centralized control and command economy can locate and process the essential data. Subjective preferences of individuals are virtually impossible for central planners to account for, and these values may well be the most important factor in the equation.

The vast majority of problems in the banking and energy industries are directly traceable to government meddling that hampered or destroyed the natural self-correcting features of the free market.

Real Damage
It will occur after that 7, 8, 9, or 10yr. old grows up (ten years) and finds that indeed the hoaxters LIED to them about glo-bull (worming). How much trust, faith, belief or confidence in any form of authority will remain with them afterwards? Just what type citizen are they then to become? Such short-sighted ignorance and greed on so many a person's soul. God forgive them for this willful deceit, I'm hard pressed to do so.

Rowly

Do not be concerned!

In December 2008 Obama said;
"To ensure prosperity here at home and peace abroad, we all share this belief we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet."

You believe Obama don't you?
What cause could you possibly have to doubt Obama?
http://www.nelsonguirado.com/index.php/asymmetric/2008/07/0 9/comprehensive-obama-flip-flop-list

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/07/unshakable-core-be liefs-of-barack-obama.html

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/12335 /

Joel
Great job in saying: "The Rights of Speech, Press, Assembly, and Petition all combine to guarantee the Citizen’s ability to criticize the govt, and ONLY the govt. There is NO right to protest a business, or a religion, to slander another Citizen, or to interfere with the activities of other Citizens."

What most people do not know is that the first ten amendments have their own preamble and that NOTHING in the Constitution is valid before these rights of the people IN RELATION TO GOVERNMENT and not in relation to others. It also creates no class of protected people; the individual may join with others to protest his government and to seek a redress of his grievances but his right to do so is his individually.

The preamble I spoke of ought to be posted everywhere; it will NEVER be taught in government schools. Here it is:

"THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution."


You're wrong Burt.........

"That’s because liberals are doing their best to destroy childhood. I’m not saying it’s their intention, but it’s certainly how things are working out."

It is EXACTLY their intention....subtle, deliberate, and well-orchestrated....

Exerpt From Obama's Arlington Speech
I know that there is nothing I will not do to keep our country safe, even as I face no harder decision than sending our men and women to war — and no moment more difficult than writing a letter to the families of the fallen. And that’s why as long as I am President, I will only send our troops into harm’s way when it is absolutely necessary, and I will always provide them with the equipment and support they need to get the job done.
*********************************************
The Narcissist-In-Chief. It's always about him. I will,I won't,I didn't. Never we.

Also,he makes it seem that GW Bush never provided them with what they needed. Will the 'Blame Bush' era never end? Is there no end to his campaigning?

DOE is UN-CONSTITUTIONAL
Both political parties know this, but neither ofthem will ever do anything about it. Go read your Constitution; it is NOWHERE to be found that the US government will pay for or support in any way, shape, or form a national education system. The DOE was established by Jimmy Carter along with the useless Department of Energy. Regan who immediately succeeded Carter wanted to ABOLISH BOTH of these UN-CONSTITUTIONAL departments, but with nothing but Democrats running the Congress for his Presidency, he could not succeed. Nonetheless, the GOP had a great chance to ABOLISHthe Department of Education under Bush, but what did Comrade Bush decide to do instead: No Child Left Behind with his fellow Socialist Comrade, Kennedy. Educate yourselves about what BOTH parties in DC have been doing: UNCONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT!!! That's why BOTH TRAITOROUS, CRIMINAL parties in DC have a vested interest in keeping your kids as dumb as rocks! That's why you'll NEVER find the US Constitution taught in public schools! They don't want you or your children to know the CRIMES they commit daily in DC!

Anne

Don't do that.
You will get us both booted!
I have been just as bad as he was.
I just can't resist a name calling contest.

Tacitus Maximus
You have no idea how nice it is to find someone from townhall who wants to converse in a reasonable and respectful way. I applaud you.

I understand what you’re saying about the free market in entertainment, and I completely agree. Society should not interfere in any way with intellectual freedom or freedom of conscience. You might be surprised to learn that even a liberal like me finds much to object to in today’s movies. But I completely agree that the government should not get involved. Probably the best we can do is allow for more parental control, better rating systems, etc. It’s not much, I know, but anything more than that and the cure would be worse than the disease.

But none of that was really my original point: Conservatives seem to want it both ways; they laud the free market but complain about what it produces. You don’t have to like everything it produces, but I’m not sure you appreciate all the ways it may undercut other values you hold dear. Conservatives, particularly social conservatives, have a vision of what the cultural life of the nation should be, including sexual, marital, gender and parenting norms they believe the culture should embody. But can’t you see that the free market and the attitude that blindly worships it undermine those very values? People like to see movies that glorify thoughtless violence and casual sex and the free market delivers that to them. But this doesn’t just apply to movies. We’ve seen the damage that can be done when bankers and energy companies are allowed to do anything they like. And the pure unadulterated adoration of the free market that conservatives espouse has contributed to that damage. Right-wing ideologues constantly bolster the almost completely free market. Why shouldn’t we consider that a poisoning of our culture too? What I’m trying to get you to see is that one of the conservative values, worship of the free market, is in conflict with the others. And none of you seem to be aware of that.

MyOpine & Ret Geek: Obviously, wimpy-

limpy-shory is so much of an idiot that even Idiotville doesn't want him there.

Just flag all of his posts and I'll talk to the mod tomorrow.



shorts the slimy COWARD

First off, I would not take a sucker bet from ANYONE!
2nd, YOU are a cowardly liar and not elegible to wager with anyone because you can't guarantee your bet.
In short, shorts is nothing but lying noise.

I have my own little repertoire of subjects for bar bets but like I said numerous times, YOU ARE WITHOUT HONOR!
There is just no other way to say it;
No one here that I know, will wager with lying scum like you.
That is my final word on the matter.
IF you were a man, we might find a wager but you are not a man.
And YOU are very stupid also if you can't understand that.

Carlos
Did they check for a brain?

shorts,(AKA Baci, William,Pelosi BoyToy)

YOUR PRETENSE OF BEING TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THAT LIARS CAN'T WAGER SEEMS SO REAL I THINK YOU ACTUALLY ARE THAT STUPID!

Only men of honor can wager.
You are without personal honor.
You are a notorious LIAR!
Your promise to pay is worthless.
There is nothing you can SAY that will change that.

BUT shorts has done what he came for.

This thread was orderly and germain.
Shorts has turned this thread into a name calling contest.

Good Night all

Tomorrow will be another day the Lord has made.

Retired Geek
Shorts has the perfect name...Shorts

Short on brains
Short on brawn
Short on looks
Short on grammar
Short on knowledge
Short on common sense
Short on patriotism
Short on unmentionables

Reply to Shorty in NJ


Yes, Rosa Parks lived in Alabama. So, what is your point?. At the time of Rosa Parks, things were segregated, but not violent and vile.

Rosa Parks could have sat any place on the bus anytime she wanted to. At that time, not many people rode buses in Alabama, except in cities.
Before desegregation, Alabama blacks and Alabama whites respected one another, even though we may have had segregated schools and other facilities. And, at that time, Kids who Went to White Schools got good educations, and kids who went to Black Schools also got good educations. Today, everybody is getting dumbed down, black or white. These ought to be the things you libs who want to play the blame game should be considering, and be mad as hell about. Alabamians, white and black, still have great respect for one another for the most part.

There was not a lot of hatred and racism as the MSM portrayed and the revisionist history books tell you. In fact, the most racist place I have ever been was Newark, N.J. That place is a wall to wall slum area where people are afraid to walk at night.

Alabama was not a hot bed for the KKK in my lifetime and I am 61 years old.

And yes, Alabama had slavery as did every state and every nation in history. Get over all this slavery crap, shorty. This is 2009. You cannot continue to blame the past for your sorry life. My folks were slaves too. So were people throughout history in every part of the world.

And, since you brought up slavery, let me give you an education.

A very small percentage of southerners owned slaves and owned plantations. The slaves on these plantations were treated for the most part like family members, and slaves, in fact would fight and kill defending their masters. Most southern slave owners were either Methodist or Presbyterian, and were of Aristocratic European Stock, and viewed their servants in the Biblical Manner in that God mandated that servants be treated with respect and dignity.


shorts,(AKA Baci, William,Pelosi BoyToy)

YOU ARE THE COWARD HERE!
You come here under false pretense.
You are caught in lie after lie.
You have no intellect above senseless name calling.
Do YOU check your posts?
You boast about being bilingual but you have a very poor command of the English language, you are barely literate.
That is probably why your posts are limited to cheap lying insults.
To wager you need credibility. You have none.
And a man is no better than his word.
That makes you worthless scum.

Geek, MyOpine, Anne, Rowly, etal...

Notes from Shorty's psychological exam ??


“So perfect is this reproduction of a whole and normal man that no one who examines him in a clinical setting can point out in scientific or objective terms why, or how, he is not real. And yet we eventually come to know that reality, in the sense of full, healthy experiencing of life, is not here.”

Mask of Sanity

RetGeek: You're right! wimpy-limpy

makes no sense...

wimpy-limpy can't have an IQ any higher than IQ29's....

I'm beginning to wonder if wimpy-limpy is actually a 13yr old mentally deficient delinquent, or as MyOpine says, a stinking Communist Pelosi BoyToy.




Dictators Testing Obama

Drudge reported that Venezuela is sending Uranium to Iran.

Three dictators in the last 24 hours has 'BitchSlapped' Obama.

Anne from PA et al

In a 'Village of Idiots, Shorts is a Village of one'.

shorts,(AKA Baci, William,Pelosi BoyToy)

As to YOUR testis?
You come here pretending to be something other than a stinking Communist because you are ashamed of what you are and too COWARDLY to come here openly as such.


MyOpine et al

Shorts declared the other night that he wasn't very smart.

Apparently Shorts thinks you didn't believe him, so Shorts is trying to prove his ignorance to you.

Right On Opine--Keep Up The good work
My Opine, ignore the likes of shorts in NJ. Libtards who come on here are perfect examples of the products that socialism creates. When speaking about what is wrong with socialism, just read a liberals comments. End of argument.

Every horror movie needs angry villagers
Yes, "the bogymen are lurching across the countryside like the zombies in horror movies", but all the angry villagers with their pitchforks and torches are sleeping away.

There are quite a few articles like this by Brent Bozell and other ones by Prelutsky here, describing this whole problem, but other articles saying what to do about it seem conspicuous by their absence.

Seems if society cared there would be more talk about action.

shorts,(AKA Baci, William,Pelosi BoyToy)

Do you know a prominent Republican who is a KKK member?
Proof required!
You have been caught in so many outright LIES that we can't take anything you say at face value.

You filthy Communists who cower behind the word Democrat deal in nothing but lies.
Have you noticed I post links to my sources?
http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.928/article_de tail.asp

Please post links to your sources.
As to bets?
I think you would welch as quickly as you lie.
You have a slight credibility problem.

Frank has just been caught lying about ACORN.
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/05/21/barney-frank-lies- about-acorn

Another one, just like you.

MyOpine: Last might wimpy-limpy-shorty

posted....

shorts
Location: NJ
Reply # 360
Date: May 24, 2009 - 9:51 PM EST
"ANNE
You know why we go after Geeky
Because he has no b a LLs , and cant do anything about it"

No doubt, wimpy-limpy-shorty thought he had a point, but what he doesn't get is his only point is on the top of his head...

What a miscreant.



Greyhawk/ MyOpine
I believe the 'Whole Gitmo Thing' is a diversion to keep the news media occupied with it while the changes are being made. They know it,too and do it deliberately.

The liberals here at Townhall are stuck on the 'torture memos'but never talk about real dangers of losing our country to socialism or even communism. Some welcome it.

Anyone,even conservatives, who don't watch FOX News or listen to talk radio are unaware of what is happening,too. They think they are getting the truth from the MSM.

I just wanted to comment after reading yours and MyOpine's conversation. I agree with you both,wholeheartedly.

shorts,(AKA Baci, William,Pelosi BoyToy)

I know this will be difficult for someone of your low mentality to understand but membership news letters are not SPAM.

And no, I do not claim to be the originator of membership news letters either.

Are you Communists ALWAYS DRUNK?

shorts,(AKA Baci, William,Pelosi BoyToy)

You Communist liars have been exposed as the origin of the KKK long ago.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58 295

http://www.carnellknowledge.com/interesting-facts-about-dem ocrats-and-republicans/

As to Democrat lies about being for civil rights?
Even JFK voted against Civil Rights.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil _rights.htm

All those lies have already been exposed.
You are just going to have to find some new lies to parrot.

Grayhawk
There may be no need for MSM.

I have a rough idea for a communications system with the potential to surpass MSM.
I think many people want to be informed and some would want to be part of this.

It would require thousands of volunteers to each mass relay e-mail bulletins.
The bulletins would be sent on an "as needed" basis rather than a regular schedule.
Only those in the area who need to be informed would receive the bulletin;
( unless there was some way others could help too.)

A general message to all members would begin with a mass mailing to State relay stations.
State relay stations would mass mail to districts within their State who would mass mail to subscribers.
Each relay station would also respond to the sender to confirm they are relaying.
If there is no conformation then an emergency relay station would substitute to maintain full coverage.

A bulletin could also originate at a State, County or City level to inform of local issues.

This is just a rough outline that would need refinement by the people involved to guard against misuse of power.

It would begin with an e-mail explaining the idea and the need for honest communication so people can make wise decisions.
It would ask responses for relay volunteers and suggestions on refining the system and people who just wanted to receive the bulletin.
It would ask people to pass the e-mail on like a chain letter so the first one reaches as far as possible.

NEED;
Ways to prevent commercialization and/or sale of political influence.

gayle, no need to be so nice to Lilly
A few weeks ago she lectured me that my son couldn't possibly be carrying a 4.9 in high school because the scale went up to a maximum of 4.0. Wrong. Lilly is a fraud and a moron. As you noted, she makes the same general, non-specific comments on nearly every post she makes. She never addresses anything directly. I am left to conclude that she simply does not have the intellectual capacity to compete on this site.

Fully Agreed Opine (2)


I believe if somebody could get on TV often and tell it like it truly is, that people would wake up. I have been writing and calling Senators Shelby and Sessions of Alabama who are pretty good leaders, especially Sessions, and encouraging them to take a National Lead.

If not, I hope that Cheney will emerge as the leader. As for that mealy mouthed John McCain, and that gutless Colin Powell, who had the audacity to vote on Racial Lines and came out at the end of the presidential campaign and endorsed Obama, and still has the audacity to claim he is a republican. If he is a republican, and if the republicans do not totally rebuke him, I am seriously considering going 100 percent for a truly Conservative Third Party. If Colin Powell and McCain are going to be the mouth pieces for republicans, we basically have a One-Party country already.

George Wallace, a great States Rights Advocate, and not a racist that the MSM and the U.S. Government under the leadership of LBJ tried to paint him, and Alabamians generally, made a statement in 1968 that is more true to day than it was then. That statement was: "Republicans and Democrats are like tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum, and there is not a dime's worth of difference between them." He was a strong Independent Conservative, and you know what else, in Alabama, George Wallace got 60 to 80 percent of the black vote in every election in Alabama, because they knew he was no racist and they also knew that the vast majority of Alabama whites were not recist. The MSM and the US government painted this picture of Wallace and Alabamians as being racist for strictly political purposes to justify LBJ's Heavy-Handed Practices as he Pushed Socialism On Every Part of the Country whether we wanted it or not.

Fully Agreed Opine
I fully agree. In fact, I am now listening to a re-run of The Factor, and sometimes, Bill O'Reilly's gutlessness makes me sick.

As far as I am concerned, FOX is only on the air to give the impression that the MSM has some opposition. Even Fox take the same headlines as do the other MSM outlets and diverts attention from the real issues that are going on behind the scenes.

This whole Gitmo nonsense is inconsequential compared to What Obama and Company are doing that is getting no discussion. They are putting into place their Socialized Medical Plan, Putting Through Cap and Tax, which will make our energy costs go up 400 percent. Pushing Electric and other doodle bug cars that will get MPG's and then the government will drive gasoline up to $6.00 a gallon. Amnesty for Illagals. All this is going on behind the scenes and all these Gitmo speeches get aired, and nothing of any consequence gets any coverage at all.

I listen to talk radio, and nobody tells it as straight as Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity. I wish that Rush, Glenn and Sean would get as Direct as Michael Savage. We need some courageous leaders who can command an audience. This country is in deep-sh## and we do not have anybody with a loud, national voice to speak up.

Americans, for the most part are great people, even some who believe themselves to be Obama supporters. They are just ignorant of what is really going on, and want to believe that the country's best interests are being tended to so they believe this serial liar, Obama, when he comes on the TV.

I believe if somebody could get on TV often and tell it like it truly is, that people would wake up. I have been writing and calling Senators Shelby and Sessions of Alabama who are pretty good leaders, especially Sessions, and encouraging them to take a National Lead.

If not, I hope that Cheney will emerge as the leader.

Government Schools
You will never hear a liberal say they are for vouchers or anything else that will take children out of inferior schools.

They can't afford to let go of them for a year or two or they may begin to think for themselves. The government would rather they failed than to take that chance.

The biggest failure of schools is the revisionist history. They have dumbed down history to social pablum. No real history of the important happenings.

Many posters here are products of government schools. They have been taught by leftist professors and teachers. It is apparent by their arguments.

Lilly
"But I can tell you for certain sure that the major factor in social promotion in the senior high schools is PARENTS."


I have to agree with you there. My husband teaches high school, and some of the stories he tells about parents.... sheesh!! And living in the very conservative state of Texas, I would bet that these parents aren't all liberals! Probably a majority of them are fairly conservative.


A couple of points, Lilly
Did you ever consider responding to an individule post and addressing the points therein instead of "....townhallers believe this..." and "...conservatives say that...?" I addressed you as an individule, refrained from saying "liberals believe such and such" and endeavored to make a point...which you ever so condensendingly asserted I was unable to understand.
I didn't call teachers "lazy, ill-prepared and stupid" so why did you put those words in my mouth? What a waste of time. You said conservatives think they know so much about public school and have never taught in one." Just because I challenged you doesn't make me a conservative and how do you know I have never taught in a public school? As a former teacher, you should know better than to make unfounded assumptions. But to address the point: Yeah, that's what most teachers say rather than address a specific concern a parent may have regarding classroom instruction.
Frankly, my main point to you, which I am so sorry you weren't capable of understanding was this: Why do you always undermine your own argument and end up making a fool out of yourself? Please confine your remarks to me and leave "townhallers" and "conservatives" out of the equation.

Grayhawk

Cowardice is the reason MSM is in the Socialist pocket;

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30406

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/guest/2009/fmb_03071.shtml /

Remember when FOX was going to air a Documentary that Bill Clinton objected to?
Remember the threats to block renewal of the FOX Broadcast License?
Remember how FOX edited out the part Bill Clinton objected to?

That is the MSM bottom line, COWARDICE!

Reply to Lily 4:15 p.m.
Lily, that scene you posted about 35 students is a direct result of Socialism. Cities like Chicago have long been Socialist. Socialist states had serious education problems even 40 years ago, as a direct result of teacher unions and liberal programs that already existed in socialist states, and especially in large metro areas such as Chicago, New York, LA, etc.

But, a little over 40 years ago, the rest of the country was not socialist, and non-socialist states and communities had excellent public schools that actually taught Reading, Writing, Arithmetic, Respect, Responsibility, Work Ethics, good Citizenship and generally upheld community standards of decency.

But, a little over 40 years ago, LBJ intervened in Local Education and other community matters with his so-called Great Society programs, and the country, and especially the public schools, have gone down hill ever since.

In 1966, the USA was in the top 3 in the world for public school outcomes, in spite of the poor schools in cities such as Chicago. If we could have discounted the Chicago Style Schools in Socialist Cities, we would have ranked number one in the world, but even factoring in the Socialist inter-city schools, we were number 3 in the world.

Today, after 40 plus years of Social Engineering by Socialists, calling themselves Democrats, we are at #28 in the world, trailing many third world countries, while spending more per child than any other nation.

The welfare system borne out of the Great Society programs have now spent 9 trillion dollars, and we now have 40 percent of the population that is supposedly living below the poverty level and have heads of households who have never held a job but only depend on Government Entitlements.

Lily, don't you just love Socialism. If you loved the poor you claim to, you would hate socialism. Socialism created that nightmarish school classroom you described at 4:15 pm.

Gov't Mandates Ignorance/Illiteracy (2)

The Creation of Victimhood is how the Lib Democrats have Hijacked this nation, and Obama is the Master at Playing that Game. Nobody ever improves his or her own behavior when they always have others to blame for their miserable failings in life. When you play the Blame Game, you insure you never take responsibility for your own thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. This is why Drug Addicts and Alcoholics, for example, stay n their addictions. They blame their past, their wives, husbands, socieity, bosses, and on and on, and never take control of their own lives. Obama and those of his ilk through Government Agencies and Departments and with support from the MSM have created a Nation of Addicts who depend on Government to Tell Them that They do not have to Be Responsible For Any Aspect Of their Lives, that they are All Victims of this or that.

It is time that these so-called Victims be told that You Are Responsible for Your own Sorry lives. You Welfare Deadbeats can get a Job.

You Governmental Bureaucrats Need to have your Bureaucratic Agencies and Departments abolished, so that you cannot create New Victims for your Agencies to Serve.

This is exactly what Obama has been Hurriedly Putting into place, while he keeps us distracted by Bashing Bush and Cheney.

Many tens of millions of us out here who are footing the Bills for this Worthless Government are fed up with Socialism. You Obama Droolers better get over your Adoration and Dependence on Government. When we conservatives take the country back, We are Going to Abolish Your so-called Safety Nets that have become Permanent Ways of Life for Deadbeats that the Obama's depend on for votes by promising Deadbeats even more, and teaching Deadbeats to Blame the past for their Miserable and Sorry, Lazy Lives.

Gov't Mandate Ignorance/Illiteracy
Mandatory Attendance/Ignorance
We now have Obama as President, and this fiasco was made possible by the Public School System that has been systematically Dumbing Down and Brainwashing our kids for the past 40 years. Obama is now president, thanks to a non-thinking population, 40 percent of which do not work but depend On Socialism to take care of them from cradle to grave.

Obama has to keep blaming Bush to deflect Attention to His Evil and Dictatorial Plans. Socialism, by design, leads to Fascism, and is in Fact, a very evil system. And, Socialists/Fascists always Blame the Past for their Current Interventions. Obama is no different than any other Fascist who has seized power. They always use Lies, Fear, Hate and Envy. And they always Depend on an Ignorant and Illiterate Following. Obama has this sort of following. The difference in this particular Fascist, Obama, and other Fascists, is that Obama has the command of the MSM anytime he decides to Go International and can call a so-called Press Conference or Meeting, etc. And, then, our Intellectually Dishonest and Corrupt Media that is owned by the International Machine that is behind Obama and his diabolical plans to insure that his drooling and ignorant masses stay ill-informed. Obama knows that the Government Education System with Aid from all it's other Bureaucracies and the MSM have created a nation of people Who Do Not Take Responsibility for Themselves and always Play the Victims of somebody elses wrong doings. The Creation of Victimhood is how the Lib Democrats have Hijacked this nation, and Obama is the Master at Playing that Game. Nobody ever improves his or her own behavior when they always have others to blame for their miserable failings in life. When you play the Blame Game, you insure you never take responsibility for your own thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. This is why Drug Addicts and Alcoholics, for example, stay n their addictions.

lilly the braindead socialist
masking excuses for the failure of socialism and blaming parents for pushing social promotions in high schools goes beyond pathetic.

The damage by the hapless teachers union and the single parent households enabled by the dims was done years earlier.

By the time many of these kids have completed a couple of years of elementary school they are so damaged there is no saving them

But typical of the socialist they blame class size since the ideal for the nea is something more akin to teachers acting more like private tutors for a handful of kids.

Throughout my public school career, growing up in a blue collar suburb all classes had 30 plus students under the control of one teacher and learning prevailed.'

Then the socialists took over and the damage is so complete it is doubtful these situations can ever be turned around and still the teachers union keeps crying they need more and more money to further their failures

School Choice seems to help.

Think about what you know now and how helpless you would be without that knowledge.
Can you see how people are what they know?
Each thing you learn becomes a part of you and makes you proportionately more than you were before. Your possibilities in life are expanded by what you do learn and limited by what you do not learn.
Your schooling is a major factor in finding your place in our society.

The purpose of Democrats fighting School Vouchers is to cheat the children of our working class of the opportunity to learn, thereby depriving your children of an opportunity they otherwise would have to become all they could have been if given an honest education.
The object of softening school curriculum is to provide Democrats with a permanent subculture to politically exploit.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03202007/postopinion/opedcolumn ists/math_and_marxism_opedcolumnists_sol_stern.htm

Public Schools of Indoctrination waste learning time on crud like THIS!
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/info/kbase/horror_storie s.html

Elitists like Obama send their children to private schools to be properly educated.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=3033474249 14951

Democrats want to redistribute wealth but refuse our children equality of education?
With School Vouchers, America's parents would soon weed out bad schools!
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Education/CDA02-03.cfm

Democrats condemn our children to Indoctrination Centers.
We can't trust them with our children.

Without equal education there can be no equal opportunity.

Thanks My Opine
Hopefully, there are enough Well-Meaning, Good-Intentioned Liberals on this site who will take the time and click onto some of your links. Everyone of them is an Expose of the Duplicity of Democrats and especially of Obama and his cohorts.

We are in Deep Sh** as a nation with this budeget defict that is being funded by our enemies. Already, Obama has driven up this years budget to a point of 1.8 trillion DEFICIT.
This is 4 times larger than the largest deficit up to this point, and every dime of it is being funded by Borrowing From China and Sauidi Arabia, primarily. We are, as a nation, becoming beholden to our creditors. At one point, we were the largest creditor nation, and today we are the world's leading Debtor Nation.
Both parties have been on a spending binge, and it must stop, and it must stop NOW.

This makes us very vulnerable, and this sort of situation cannot be sustained. And, in the process of borrowing to expand government social and other programs, Obama is dismantling the military. If this socialist is allowed to continue, we will not survive even the next 4 years.

Everybody out there who love this country and your freedom, you better start calling and writing your congressmen and women, no matter which party they belong to, and tell them to get on the Job and Stop Obama's madness.

Beverly this is just a drive by but...
"Date: May 25, 2009 - 4:03 PM EST
Our Real Heroes

It is the veterans we must thank for the right to voice our opinions on this and other pages. My Dad (WW2), my uncle (Korea), my brother and my husband(Viet Nam). Remember this day the blood that was shed and the lives given so we could all argue our opinions. Thank you, veterans."

In all seriousness you are welcome. Please look at this concert it is wonderful
http://www.pbs.org/memorialdayconcert/concert/

Rescue the Children
As a retired public school teacher I am convinced that our only hope is to rescue our children from the public (government) schools and raise a godly generation. Please see "Call to Dunkirk" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRGZLSVph3A.

School
I had a lot of absent days during jr. high, many of which were "illnesses" caused by being there. When you spend almost every day for two years, being beat up daily by 1/3 to 1/2 of your class, you do tend to get "stomach aches" that mysteriously disappear after school's out and reappear the next morning.

And when you have a teacher during those same years who is so busy trying to entertain and impress his old family friends from his childhood days, that he lets these things happen, it only compounds things.

Unfortunately, our principal didn't fire this turkey until we were about to graduate anyway. We bore the brunt of his first teaching job, which should have ended early in his first year, instead of lasting two years.

the students make the teacher

I remember that about 65 or 70 years ago when I was a freshman in High School, during WW II, one of our new teachers was terrible. She wore dirty clothes, had trouble writing words on the blackboard, and in general was unfit to be a teacher.

This was in a small farming community, so the kids were not gangsters, or anything like that. But it was obvious to all that this was bad. After a few weeks, at least some of us (not me of course!) treated her in a bad manner, and paid no attention to what was going on.

Finally the principal came to our class and told us that this was the best they could find in that economy, and please could we remember that, and try to help.

From that day on, you could not imagine a class of students being so nice. We all helped her in any way we could, as we found we all learned much more under those circumstances, and the year ended in good shape.

Never in history has a teacher learned so much from a room full of students, as that woman did.

My brother was a teacher and then a college Prof for 40 to 50 years. He would agree that any teacher is only as good as the students permit him/her to be.

If the classroom is actually as defined elsewhere on TH, no teacher can be successful, and the students reflect that.

The home life makes the student, the students make the teacher, not the other way around.

Do you agree?


Lilly
is right about the problems that todays children face in the classroom and that the parents are often the problem. However, most of the problems she cites are a direct result of liberal ideologies. I can do drugs, not work, not marry but have children, have abortions, sue companies for my daily bread... Most conservatives don't abuse drugs, work every day, marry and then have children, don't have abortions or repent of them, and don't look to the litigation lottery for their sustenance among other things. Therefore children of conservatives are less likely to have behavior disorders, emotional disorders and learning disabilities. They are better behaved primarily because of their faith in God and a resulting understanding of right and wrong. Teachers do have many challenges but they are reaping what they have sown when they live and teach the lies of liberalism.

Monopoly Government Schools
My neice is a reading professional. All children having problems in her school system go to her for extra help. Some teachers turn out very high numbers of students with reading problems. On the free market they would be fired. Some have many years in service. So when budget cuts and layoffs happened excellent newer teachers with highest achievement ratings were layed off while teachers with bad ratings kept their jobs. UNIONS.LIBERALS.= BAD RESULTS.

All of the Hollywood types
serving up sleaze in the free market are liberals. Liberals with an agenda. I don't see how they can not be doing it on purpose.

lilly
You're right. It's not just teachers, but the whole nutty liberal establishment and the outworkings of their 'progressive' ideas. Heaven forbid we damage anyone's self-esteem via their backside. And no, that's not the only answer, but are metal detectors all that great?

David

The Economy tanked because it was deliberately undermined and sabotaged as a campaign tactic.

I have a collection of videos showing the Democrats fighting to stop Republicans from preventing the banking crisis.
If you want to see them I will post them.
Rush Limbaugh has collected some of them right here;
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092908/content/ 01125107.huest.html

This is the strategy being used;
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the _strategy.html

This is how Schumer triggered the run on banks at the opportune time for Obama's campaign.
http://www.openmarket.org/2008/07/15/schumer-caused-banking -crisis-not-ots/

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2008/07/sen-charle s-e-s.html

It is all supposed to be blamed on Republicans;
http://www.highway278.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=51736/

To cactus head
I can't speak about the elementary schools as I have neither professional background nor the experience there. But I can tell you for certain sure that the major factor in social promotion in the senior high schools is PARENTS. Parents are very quick to keep their kids out of school to 1) sleep late after a rock concert on a school night; 2) go to Disneyland with their family for a week when it's not vacation; 3) go shopping for Big Sister's wedding dress; 4) babysit with Little Sister so Mom can go shopping for the wedding dress. When work is missed they demand that Teacher forgive that missed assignment.

When a kid is chronically and illegally truant, parents are usually out to lunch or else impotent and desperate. I had a mother tell me her son had declared he wouldn't go to school unless she bought him a new car. So she bought him a new car. So then he took off for Florida and neither she nor I saw him again.

Student work is graded according to clear standards that are explained in advance. A poor grade because Susie chose to hand in something utterly different from what was assigned? "You should give her a good grade because she was so creative." Susie didn't hand in anything? "You should cut her some slack because she broke up with her boyfriend." "High school is really for having a good time." We had one father who complained to his Congressman when his son got a D on a paper. Most parents don't go that far---they just pressure the administration to pass the ki