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Friday, April 03, 2009
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
My Day in Court
by Burt Prelutsky
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Perhaps it’s because I was summoned for jury duty a few weeks ago that I have been hyper-aware of criminal matters lately. My attention was particularly grabbed by a couple of news items. The setting for the first was the small Colorado city of Fort Lupton. It’s there that Municipal Judge Paul Sacco has been making a name for himself by employing a Solomon-like sense of justice in dealing with young scofflaws.

Previously, when teenagers stood accused of blasting their car stereos or otherwise disturbing the peace and assaulting the ears of those residents whose taxes pay his salary, Judge Sacco was in the habit of levying fines. But one fine day, it occurred to him that the tickets weren’t changing anything. The parents would pay the $95, and the kids would continue their noisy ways. It was then that he came up with the brilliant idea of giving the offenders a dose of their own medicine. Ever since then, he has sentenced them to spend an entire hour on a Friday night in the courtroom listening to everything from Barry Manilow to Boy George, from Beethoven’s Ninth to Barney’s theme song.

As a result, noise offenses in Fort Lupton have dropped from 56 in 2007 to 20 in 2008. Even more telling, the recidivism rate is less than 5%.

I realize it’s probably too much to ask, but the next time there’s an opening on the Supreme Court, I hope that Judge Sacco makes the short list.

The other matter concerns the LAPD’s announcement the other day that they had finally arrested the mastermind behind the gang that had been dubbed the “Hillside Burglars.” Over the past few years, this guy and his crew had apparently committed more than 150 break-ins, absconding with over $10 million in cash and loot from the homes of Hollywood executives, celebrities and sports stars.

As I read the news, I couldn’t help thinking that if I were a lawyer hired to defend this guy in the current political climate, I’d try to convince the jury that he wasn’t really a thief, but that he was merely doing his part to help the government redistribute wealth.

Speaking of juries, there I was at the Burbank courthouse, identified as Juror 3343, waiting to undergo questioning during voir dire. I had arrived at the courthouse at 8 a.m. It was now seven hours later, during which time we potential jurors had been handed a sheet of paper with 15 questions to ponder. A few of the initial group of 40 or so had already been questioned and admitted they were related to police officers or lawyers, and, so far as I recall, they had been excused with thanks.

By the time it was my turn to be questioned, I was feeling self-conscious because I had a problem with three of the questions that nobody else had even mentioned. The judge cast what I regarded as a jaundiced eye in my direction, and asked me to explain myself.

The first of the three questions had to do with the presumption of innocence. I told Judge Lubell that, try as I might, I couldn’t quite accept the idea that it was just an accident that 40 of us in the room were potential jurors and one of us was the defendant. So while I was prepared to assume that the rest of us were innocent, I would have a much harder time believing it about the fellow sitting at the table next to a defense attorney. I did promise, though, to make a sincere effort if I wound up on the jury.

Next, I was asked if I was prepared to give equal weight to any witness giving testimony in the witness box. I confessed that I couldn’t in good faith make such a promise. “What if one of the witnesses is a priest,” I asked, “and another is a convicted drug dealer? Who in his right mind would give their sworn testimony equal weight?”

There was a third question, which slips my mind, but it was along similar lines, and like the other two, required that I leave my logic and commonsense sitting outside on the courtroom steps.

Finally, the defense attorney decided he’d take his turn at trying to crack this nut: “Well,” he said, “what if the prosecutor states in his opening remarks that he’s going to prove four points, but by the end of the trial he had, to your mind, only proven three of them? Would you then be able to vote for acquittal?”

“It’s impossible for me to play that theoretical game with you because I don’t know what those four points are or if they’d be of equal importance. Right now, the best I can do is suggest we wait for the end of the trial and see how it all plays out.”

Five seconds later, I was excused. I didn’t hear the judge say, “Thanks.”

Some of you probably think I gave those answers because I was trying to get out of doing my civic duty. Not so. I answered as I did because I was telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God. Which, I’m willing to wager, is more than the 12 people who wound up on the jury can say with a straight face.

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Jury Duty
Burt,

You were probably dismissed because you think too much. Not long ago, I was on a federal court jury and was surprised that I was still in the jury pool after selections were made. Fortunatly, they didn't ask me any questions like they asked you, and I was able to fulfill my duty as a citizen.

As for Judge Sacco, more power to him. Creative sentances of that kind are the reason why we allow a certain amount of Judicial latitude. Unfortunately, too many Judges are prone to abuse their latitude.

My Sad Experience
on jury duty is that the preferred juror is someone who is uneducated, unemployed/retired, and easily emotionally swayed. That's the "bad" news, for the future of this country to be decided by such people. The "good" news is that I am never selected from the jury pool!!

Josey Wales 2
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Hilarious!

Burt
Don't liberals consider that replaying of loud music torture? Certainly Barney is considered torture....


This article is timely since I have been chosen for the next grand jury. Ya know that same grand jury that gets to serve their sentence for a year and no time off for good behavior. Where is my incentive to be good?

lawyers want the easily led
I second the observation that education is considered a detriment in a jury member by lawyers for both defense and prosecution who are in a contest to influence the gullible. No independent thought wanted or allowed.

In my jury pool for example, none of the teachers were selected but teachers' aids were.

There's A Special Place In Hell...

For EACH and EVERY loser that engaged in CHILD ABUSE in a gigantic proportion, i.e., through the passage of Mugabe's $3.6T (not counting interest) budget. And, I say God-speed to them! May the fires be hot and furious!

For the Federal judge that granted habeas corpus rights to non-citizen, detainees held at Bagram AFB. Hades to you and them, as well.

For the "We Are The World" bailout, Dante's Inferno was written especially for you. Further, when the "rich" are poor, who will pay for your Otopia?

For the antigun crowd, who claim that we provide 98% of weapons of Mexico, let you find justice at the hands of a drug lord that uses a KNIFE to decapitate you. Hopefully, this "nice" narconazi will leave a copies of the US Constitution and the Heller decision pinned to your corpse.

For the "Cap and Trade" Goreligionists, may you suffer the pain of death soon from an ObamaCare near you because the Earth is COOLING so you will be a long time waiting for GLOBULL WARMING.

Folks, let's scrape the "socialism" rap and call it for what is really happening ... fascism on the way to serfdom!

Please join me and say "NYET"!


And, anyone, who says that I am Anti-American, I agree, if America is now to be shaped in the image of His Barackness. At least, I love my country enough not to see it destroyed from within or without. And, screw One World Government!

As a political junkie and lawyer of many years, the unconstitutionality and overreach of this Administration and the noise made by the Hitlers in Congress make Nixon look like the most honest politician EVAH!

My Tingling Leg Syndrome
It seems to me everyday that the Goobermint says one thing and does another is April Fool's Day!

Politicians:

Who read the Constitution.

Who reads a bill before passing or signing it.

Who actually PAY taxes.

Who keep campaign promises.

Who actually cuts both the budget and deficit.

Who don't interfere in private enterprise.


My leg is tingling for one man or woman to do the right thing for a change!

I told the court:
IF you don't want my biases, experience and personal conscience to play a part in my decision - you should just use computers, they do what you tell them (mostly!)

Interesting Burt
You forgot to mention that you'd have to take into account not only the character of the witnesses, but the character of the lawyers doing the spin doctor querying.
Next comes the other statement you forgot, that although the skumbag defendent in question appears to be in a spot that may be deserved, those holding him there, have more than mild reason to make up anything they want to, and just claim it's true, so they can increase their beautiful record of protecting the community.
I'd tell the questioners that my decisions would be based largely upon who was telling obvious lies, and that would include the judge, the prosecutors, the police,the lawyers, and all the people taking the stand, including any "evidence read into the record".
When you're sitting in a den of thieves and liars, it pays to find the very few who actually tell the truth.
I guess that's why you didn't fit in.
Think about it my friend.
I also think it's far beyond CRIMINAL to claim any of us would be judged by a jury of our peers, then find, that our peers indeed don't qualify more often than not.
I think that's just beautiful, don't you ?
Think about that.

What I Will Do
I've never been picked for jury duty, even after having been a registered voter for 35 years. It's the list of registered voters that is used for jury selection here in Ohio. I don't know how it's done in other states.

If I am every picked, I intend to answer questions in ways that make me seem unbiased and hope that my advanced education may be overlooked. I actually want to serve.

Once on the jury, however, I pity anyone who appears to be a democrat of Obama supporter. They are quilty.

I will make exceptions, of course, for attractive women.

Try This One
How about: "If the defendant chooses not to testify, will you NOT hold it against him?"

Jury Nullification?
I recently went to jury duty and was excused after a few questions from the judge.

One question, which never came up. If I told the judge I would never convict someone accused of something that I believed shouldn't be illegal would I get in trouble?

Fastest way to get excused
from jury duty is to ask the DA, "Is this going to take long? I hate to miss Rush and Sean."

I haven't been called for years and when I did was excused by mail because I was on the road. If I were called nowadays, I think I'll act "dumb" so I get selected. Seems to me juries need more conservative common sense.

Judge Sacco gets my nod for SCOTUS. I have a suggestion for him if he ever gets some taggers (subsidized as artists here in Tucson) in his court. He should sentence them to have their thumb and forefingers crushed with pliers after which they can't operate a spray can for weeks.

I HATE those idiots who blast their car stereos. They used to park at my neighbors house and the bass wave would vibrate my windows and literally cause internal pain to my late wife sitting inside, 70-80 feet away, who was dying of cancer. I begged, cajoled, threatened, to little affect until finally my wife dragged her ravaged body out there and the sight of her persuaded them to turn it down.

Years ago I was roofing a house several blocks off main street in Lander, WY. We could hear a car cruising town with stereo blasting, VERY LOUD. As an experiment, we counted off how many city blocks away we could still hear the noise. When the car rounded the curve by the high school and headed out of town, 11 BLOCKS AWAY, the cacophony diminished to the point we couldn't separate it from usual noises...

This kid's brother was a cop and had busted him numerous times but to no avail. Their Dad was the MAYOR, and he couldn't get him to shut it down either. He eventually went stone deaf and gave the town some relief.

Jury Duty
Having been called several times i dont know what the big deal is. I was on a murder trial, a grand jury for 2 days a week for 3 months. The other 2 or 3 times I was dismissed. The people I saw trying to get out of it were for the most part seemingly the ones that thought thier time was too imortant to lower themselves to sit for a trial. I understand Berts points. If you are totally honest you most likely wouldnt be picked.

The legal system is criminal
Due to the ignorance and stupidity of at least 52% of Americans, our jury system of "justice" is so corrupt that real justice is a crapshoot.

When O.J. Simpson can walk free because he was black and famous, when all lucid people knew he was guilty of beheading his wife, the system is obviously broken;

When Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean can be convicted by a corrupt prosecutor, who withheld evidence, for effectively doing their border guard jobs by shooting a drug smuggler in the butt, the system is broken;

When many innocent plaintiffs are forced by the realistic fear of possible unjust conviction by an irrational, biased or uneducated jury, and the resultant devastating financial consequences, the system is broken.

Yes, tragically, achieving "justice" in our justice system anymore, in this ethically and morally corrupt nation, is a coin toss at best.

As a Professional Engineer....
I have yet to be selected for any jury. Most of the time the defense attorney is the culprit (especially when asked if I believe in "capital" punishment). However, the prosecuter has also excused me in a highly technical case involving expert opinions by other engineers.

As others on this thread, I believe that the most likely reason I am always excused is that I tend to "think" and not use "emotions" when reaching a decision.

A....hole
Burt probably was more forthcoming and more honest than any juror being questioned. If only more juror's would've been as blatant and logical in their thought processes, if so, perhaps OJ would've been in jail long ago for murder. Oh...but I'm sure you feel OJ was innocent and merely a victim of his race, sorry.

I think the sh*%@y American happens to be you. Only a cowardly backwards liberal would find the testimony of a rabid drug dealer to be equal if not more convincing than that of a priest or any decent citizen.

In fact, I believe people like you are the reason why drug dealers, pedophiles and murderers go free. Next time you watch the news and here about a rape or a murder, wrap yourself in the glow of your liberalism believing that justice in your mind, has been served properly.

Conservatives Need Not Apply

Criminal defense attorneys hate having Conservatives on their juries.

They love having Liberals on their juries.

Liberals are criminal’s best friends. This is due in part to the fact that the vast majority of criminals are Liberals.

They’ve got each others backs, both during the commission of their felonies, as well as afterward in the court room.

Jury duty
I too sat in a jury box and was asked if I would give more weight to a police officer's testimony then to a person who had 3 prior DUI convictions. I got back to work sooner then expected that day.

The legal system is criminal (edited)
Due to the ignorance and stupidity of at least 52% of Americans, our jury system of "justice" is so corrupt that real justice is a crapshoot.

When O.J. Simpson can walk free because he was black and famous, when all lucid people knew he was guilty of beheading his wife, the system is obviously broken;

When Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean can be convicted by a corrupt prosecutor, who withheld evidence, for effectively doing their border guard jobs by shooting a drug smuggler in the butt, the system is broken;

When many innocent plaintiffs are forced to plead guilty or settle out of court to save their financial lives, because of the realistic fear of possible unjust conviction by an irrational, biased or uneducated jury, the system is broken.

Yes, tragically, achieving "justice" in our justice system anymore, in this ethically and morally corrupt nation, is a coin toss at best.

Thanks Joel-De Oppresso Liber
Excellent article, though if the next time I'm on jury duty the judge says "You must take the law as I give it to you," I won't call he/she a liar. I've watched too many episodes of "Law and Order" where contempt of court fines cost more than I can afford. Thanks again.


I give up...
I must need more coffee...

I meant innocent RESPONDENTS. If you don't know what this applies to...never mind.

MY L.A. County jury duty story
Here's MY favorite recollection of my OWN jury duty experiences when I still lived in L.A. County (I even did a turn of jury duty myself in the Burbank court system).

On my last stint of jury duty while I was still an L.A. County resident, in 1999, I was in a jury pool that was called to a courtroom in the Los Angeles County Courthouse in downtown L.A.; the case was a murder trial, and the two defendants were both young black men. When a prospective juror was first seated in the jury box, he would be asked to give his name, where he lived, what he did for a living, whether he was married, and if so, what his spouse did for a living, if he had ever been a juror before, and if so, had he ever served on a jury that reached a verdict on a case, whether civil or criminal.

But in addition, the judge on this particular case wanted to know if the prospective juror, if unmarried, had a "significant other" - which I took to mean, "If you're not married, are you presently shacking up with someone?" He also asked the juror to describe himself in three or four words. I thought, "If I get into that box, that's what you want, watch and see!"

Well, after several pre-emptories, I got into the jury box, and when I gave my information regarding name, city of residence, and occupation, after stating I was not married, to answer the judge's question about my "significant other", I answered, loudly, "I AM NOT NOW LIVING IN SIN! NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL!" And to describe myself, I said, "I'm conservative, God-fearing, no-nonsense, and uncompromising!"

I was dismissed from the box with the very next pre-emptory.

Although curiously, it was the PROSECUTION that dismissed me, not the DEFENSE! I would have thought that the prosecution, after hearing the information I gave about myself, would have WANTED a conservative white guy like me on a jury trying to convict a couple of black guys on murder.

Too Much Time Wasted in Court Rooms . .
Entirely too much time is wasted in court rooms. Can't something be done to prevent needless wasted hours? Every time I ask a lawyer this question they act as though I have just attacked the flag, motherhood and apple pie. And while I address the issue of lawyers wasting time, can't something be done to prevent lawyers advertising on television to find clients who will allow them to sue whatever corporation that has lots of money?

The answer to both questions, obviously, is "NO" -- for legislatures are dominated by lawyers. In other words, the fox is in charge of the hen house.

A
Actually, what Burt proved to the selectors is that he indeed infact is too smart for what they were looking for.

They select jurors because they hope to pad the box with sympathetic people who can be easily swayed into giving them a winning verdict. They don't want upright decent people to plead their case to---they want puddy.

I'll tell ya, if I ever had to go to court for any reason, as a plaintiff or a defendant, I would want someone exactly like Burt on my jury. A person who knows right from wrong and has common sense. I know people like that bring fear and loathing to you, especially if they are not militant leftists.

I was going through a selection process for jury duty and I said the same thing, pretty much. I wasn't trying to be cute or smarmy, I was merely being as honest as I could be. I would weigh the case heavily and think logically. Surprise...I wasn't selected either.
Surely, I wouldn't mind it, as I'm sure Burt wouldn't mind, if either of us had been selected because justice would be served properly.

However, if a lawyer is trying to select a jury to be sympathetic to his client that committed a crime--naturally, he wouldn't choose someone like us and we would be immediately cut.

Blame the mushy puddy liberals, blame the defense lawyers.

a
I have seen some bizarre things from you inthe past but this has got to be the most strange of them all. So you honestly believe Mr Prelutsky said he would believe a priest over a drug dealer just so he could get OUT of jury duty? Is that correct? Furthermore you also believe that he should have answered something contrary to what he believes because by doing do he could have rendered a more accurate verdict? Even YOU cant believe what you are saying!!!! Please lie to me and tell me don't that way i can be sure its an accurate statement.

Great Article, Burt!
Most trials are farces that would make Monty Python flush with envy for not coming up with a skit that funny. Anyone who has a chance to simply go to a court and observe what goes on will come away shaking their head at how our legal system got to be so broken. Justice may be blind, but there is no place in our legal system for justice.

Your line, "he wasn’t really a thief, but that he was merely doing his part to help the government redistribute wealth" is priceless, if the defense attorney adds that the thief was a card carrying member of the ACLU or MoveOn.org, he would be off scott free in no time.

N
Basically, whatever comes out of Burt's mouth, A has to jump all over it, whether he has a point (which is never ) or not. Consider it a gagging reflex.

Anyhoo, I'm off to work hoping not to get laid off, working for 10% less due to a paycut, not getting my raise this year, and paying more in Illinois taxes in order to do my patriotic duty. On the way, I will buy myself a $75 carton of smokes so I can pay for the healthcare of every illegal alien too. Gotta love Obama's policies, huh? He's the bestest! (puking sarcasm)

Shells
I know it doesnt make you feel better but I think we all feel your pain.

Where do you live?
This can't be right, Standshisground. This question couldn't have been asked with the defendants in the courtroom. If this happened to me I would walk out without a word.

a
You do miss Burt's point. He was not necessarily trying to get out of jury duty. He truthfully told the judge and lawyers that he would use reason and common sense to come up with a verdict. They then decided he would not make a good juror for their purposes.

In truth few probably really want to serve on a jury. It takes time away from family, work and other obligations that few but the very wealthy or the unemployed have. But it is one of the duties of citizenry.

Where I live the voter registration rolls are used for jury pools. I have been called to the courthouse a few times over the years but the cases were either decided before a jury was picked or the case was continued. In either case I was dismissed. I always wanted to see what would happen if I actually got to the voir dire stage. Would I qualify or not?

I agree with most posters here and Burt who have concluded that most lawyers, defense and prosecution, would prefer less educated jurors who could be swayed by emotion rather than reason.

Anyway a good day to all.

Tweezer
Burt,how do you like your new name?

a
First your assumption that if itsa priest he must be a molester makes you look ignorant and close minded, but thats fine by me if you dont mind. Second Mr Prelutsky never claims to KNOW the truth he was asked if he would give weight to the testimony of one person over another and he answered honestly. You prefer that he not answer honestly and you argue that be doing so he is a better juror. That a is the most twisted logic I have ever heard

killer
It must be your supposed harvard education that leads you to believe Mr Prelutsky would even read your comment let alone care what you think

For a
You said: So are you more inclined to believe a priest who has been reassigned due to fondling young boys in the past or a cumlaude graduate student who deals dime bags to his friends (I actually knew one)?

First of all, you changed the rules because Bert didn't include the background info that you added about the molesting priest and the graduate student. The fact that you immediately made the priest contemptible and defended the drug dealing graduate student tells us more about you than it does about Bert.
Second, if you knew a graduate student was dealing drugs, why didn't you report that to the police? Would you rather our professions be filled with people who have so little respect for the law? Who see nothing wrong with polluting the intelligence and judgement of others, and themselves, with illegal drugs?
Third you showed your true colors with this comment: May a questionable jury of your peers find you guilty of buggering the neighbor's dog.
The court asks all jurors if they believe in presumed innocence because our system is built on that principle. The state goes first in a trial because it must rebut the presumption of innocence that operates in the defendants favor. Secondly, it is the duty of the jurors to weigh evidence, that is, pick and choose which testimony they will give more or less weight to. Therefore, jurors are NOT required to give the same weight to all testimony. That would be stupid.
And asking if a juror would give the same weight to the defendant's testimony as he did to the police officer's testimony means that the legal system has decided that police officers are no better at telling the truth than defendants. Can you see something wrong with that statement? If that is what society thinks of police officers, why bother to have any? That is a HUGE statement about the viability of our system.

viking10475
Regarding the questions a potential juror was asked if he happened to get into the jury box at the time I did jury duty in Los Angeles County:

There were certain standard questions which EVERY potential juror who got into the jury box was to answer: in fact, they were posted on the wall by the jury box. You would be asked to give your name, city of residence, occupation, marital status (I think), and if you were married, what your spouse did for a living, whether you had ever done jury duty before, and if so, were you ever on a jury that actually reached a verdict in a case, whether a civil trial or a criminal trial.

On the several occasions I did jury duty in Los Angeles County before leaving California in 2000, the instance I related was the ONLY time any judge in any courtroom I ever got into as part of a jury pool ever asked for more information beyond what was stated in the paragraph above. And as I related, the defendants in the case WERE present in the courtroom when the jury was being selected, both in the particular case I related and every other case I was in a prospective jury pool for.

As you might have surmised from my post, I rather enjoyed being able to give the judge that little extra bit of information he asked for.

Now this was 10 years ago, and I know the jury system out in California has undergone some changes since I moved out of the state, so maybe the kind of standard questions that would be asked of a potential juror when I was a juror in the system aren't asked anymore: someone who is presently a California resident would have to answer that. I just did my first turn of jury duty, in fact, here in Missouri, and the questions the jury pool was asked in the courtroom were questions submitted to the whole pool by the attorneys on each side: those who answered a particular question in a certain way would be asked by the side which asked it to give background on why they answered it as they did.

Jury Duty Boot
Your day in court was most telling, Mr. Prelutsky. Guess I will get the boot if I am ever called, as I will not leave common sense, etc sitting outside the door either.

Also, wasn't it Holmes who said something like, 'there is no justice in our out of the courtroom'? Judge Sacco seems to challenge that truism. Good for him!

Great article as always.

Honesty
I have never been called for jury duty. If I am, and am expected to answer questions, I will tell the questioners that I am willing to tell them that I am not personally acquainted with nor related to any of the parties involved in the case, but will not answer questions as to my beliefs or opinions about anything. My beliefs and opinions are mine, and no business of anyone else, unless I chose to disclose them of my own free will. As I am a Catholic, retired Army Officer, and an engineer, I am unlikely to be selected for any jury. As has been said by others lawyers (pardon the offensive language) for either side, don't want people on juries who are capable of thought, vice emotions. Is that a cynical statement? Of course, as I am also a Board-Certified Master Cynic.

n
He "Flagged" me just the other day. Can you believe it? Someone as nice as I... It hurt my feelings! Tweezer...

We should not avoid...
... jury duty if we're principled citizens, though the thought of some "citizens" I know sitting in judgment on others is scary. I imagine too many posters here in the jury room saying "hang the defendent! Kill him! Castrate him!" and then being reminded that those penalties aren't allowed for violations of the litter ordinance.
What we really need is more libertarians on juries, especially those who take the Informed Jury movement seriously (telling the court so during questioning would likely get you booted, though).
Finally, if asked whether you'd accept the testimony of a criminal defendent or a police officer as more truthful, the only sane response is to ask "What's option #3?"


If we gave equal weight
To all witnesses, then it would be fair to say that the side that produces the most witnesses is the de facto winner. It is not logical to give all witnesses an equal weight.

a
I will go nice and slow for you. Highlight and past from burt's article where he notes the priest is a molester. THEN reread what you wrote: "So are you more inclined to believe a priest who has been reassigned due to fondling young boys in the past", now tell me how you came to the conclusion the priest is a molester. Since Burt never says he was it is ONLY your assumption that he is a molester.

I also notice you dont even mention your idiotic statement about Burt "knowing" the truth. Maybe you are right I may need to read slower but you apparently need to THINK!!! When you have a reasonably thought out argument come back and see us.

a few months ago
I had some personal email exchanges with Mr. Prelutsky.
I know that he harbors some very serious biases that say, if this were a case of a gay defendant or gay victim, he wouldn't give proper weight to the case.
He convicts gay people regardless of innocence, for example.

This is just as dangerous as how all white or all male juries were destructive to victims or defendants who were black or female.

To be fair, I would hope he would be excused of course and maybe he'd want to be knowing his feelings.

Justin
Great point. In fact isnt it part of a jury's job to determine who are the "more" credible witnesses? Shouldnt they take into consideration that a person who is giving testimony to avoid or lessen their own penalties be viewed differently from another person who may be an objective witness?

I once served on a jury...
a long time ago. It was a criminal case. The defendant was accused of stabbing a man in a bar fight. There were many eye witnesses. There was no doubt that he had done the deed.

We were not, however, informed as to the circumstances of the fight, nor were we privy to any information about the victim's role in it or to the background of either the victim or the defendant.

The jury voted unanimously for a guilty verdict. That wasn't the difficult part. We also had to determine the length of his sentence. It was difficult for me personally to make that determination because I wasn't convinced that the victim was totally innocent of any wrong doing in the instigation of the fight. They were in a bar and both were drunk and most of the eye witnesses were friends of the victim.

In the end we sentenced the man who was employed by a contractor rebuilding the highway in our area and not a permanent resident to the minimum sentence and probation.

It is more difficult than you may think to incarcerate someone when you aren't allowed to know all the extenuating circumstances that may have determined someone's behavior.

I take my civil responsibility seriously but found out that the weight of it was heavier than I thought that it would be.

I have always wondered if this stranger in our community was defending himself from a large group of locals who had ganged up on him or whether he was the trouble maker.

Never heard anymore about him.

du
but our friend "a" would want mr prelutsky to lie so he could get on the jury so that way mr prelutsky could infect the jury process. Then "a" would complain that burt got on the jury just so he could sway the outcome his way. I respect burt more because he was honest and admitted he couldnt be objective. THATS what a good citizen should do. If you cant be objective you shouoldnt be there

Having worked in and around....
..the courts for many years, I can relate a few solid beliefs held by some judges in regard to criminal defendants.

A very good friend of mine, a now retired judge, has always said that in his decades on the bench, he has learned and truly believes that 99% of all criminal defendants are guilty.

Another judge who sat on the bench for many years used to write "guilty" on the inside cover of each case folder when it was handed to him at the start of trial. If the defense attorney was successful, he then wrote the word, "not" in front of his previously written opinion.

In my own work, I learned long ago that it's a very safe bet all day long that they person I'm evaluating is guilty of his or her crime, but that isn't the reason I'm referred criminal defendants.

As a side note: When on the stand during the sentencing phase, I've sometimes had defense attorneys ask me the probability of their client re-offending. My response is always, "Mr. (or Ms.) has 20-40-50-100 prior offenses so my answer is "absolutely". Some people, including most defense lawyers, just can't or won't grasp the concept of "preferred lifestyle".

Another great article, Burt. 5 stars.

My mistake Standshisground
by "where he lives" I thought you meant his address.

forgot to mention that...
the victim's wounds were minor and he did not suffer any permanent physical damage.


The book....
...regarding the corruption in our criminal justice system, the so-called "best legal system in the world", has already been written. It is titled, "Guilty" by the late Judge Harold J. Rothwax. It's a real page-turner.


a
Where were you marching during the demonstration supporting the dead rapist, the now dead black reptilian bottom-feeder that murdered the 4 police officers?

Standhisground
I've never been called to jury duty but if I was, and the case involved any crime involving a gun, chances are I would probably be excused becuase in over half the trials involving handguns, my brother (he's the senior criminologist for the state) has been a witness for the prosecution. He's often told me that he loves his job but hates going to court. The reason being is, the defense will use any trick in the book to make you look incompentent(I could tell you stories that would make you cringe). The trouble with that is there are very few people in this country (there are only 79 people in the whole world that do what he does) that have the expertise that he has. He's pretty sought after from federal law enforcement agencies (mainly the FBI and ATF)for his expertise and was recently honored by the govenor for the work he has done (He is for that matter one highest paid public employees in the state).
The strange thing about it is he is a very die in the wool liberal. But it doesn't make any difference to me because we have alot of things in common except politics and besides hes family.


I served as a juror on a murder

trial. I came away from that experience convinced that if I ever was a defendant in a court of law I would ask to not have jury decide my fate.

Also, I was completely honest in the screening questions. However, I was not asked about my employment. I am an auditor. I ended up hanging the jury.

My understanding is that a juror is to weigh all evidence independently of who provides it. During the murder trial, I could not believe the incompetence of the law enforcement in the gathering of evidence.

Burt
You are soooo clever. (NOT).

Similar experience
I haven't been called to dury duty for the last 25 years. In fact I was called only once. The case before us was a crime committed against an off-duty police officer. The defense atty wanted to know if we were capable of being fair with regard to the denials of the allegedly perp and the police officer. For me that was a no brainer. One look at the defendant and the police officer (never mind the professions of the two...one who makes a living stealing and one who makes a living serving and protecting) and I could not say that I would. I was dismissed...but with thanks.

As a Nurse
I have only been seated one time, out of all the times I have been called. Then when the jailer brought in the prison, I realized that my husband having worked for a short time years before as a jailer did indeed make me related to someone in law enforcement.

The judge did thank me when he excused me.

I too would hate to be tried by a jury of my "peers".

Juries....
...and stupid people, but I repeat myself:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512259,00.html


Good grief...Nancy
One look at the allegedly (sic) perp...
the defendant makes a living stealing?
One who makes a living serving?

How praytell do you know he "makes a living stealing?"
You heard no testimony, you judged this merely by looking?

How do you know he makes a living serving? How do you know this?

You have no business ever EVER serving on a jury.
You probably shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

You would have condemned Jesus in favor of the Pharisees.

If
only Burt would have such moral standards when writing his smear pieces at T.H. Every week he lies about one thing or another.

Heck
I truly believe Burt was being honest in answering the questions and not trying to be a wise guy. Any perusal of his commentary shows that Burt’s prejudices, bias and preconceptions are so firmly entrenched his thinking that he is utterly incapable of viewing anything in a fair and balanced manner.

jury duty
Decades ago, Jury duty in my county was 30 days at a time. Because of obvious financial hardship, the jury pool was limited to students, retired, stay at home spouses, government employees, and the few who could actually take that much time off work. As a student I racked up several months of jury duty. I'm still called every 18 months or so, but the bulk of my knowledge comes from the 70s.

1. Jurors are chosen for stupidity and ignorance.

2. In criminal cases the defendant is guilty beyond a doubt.

3. In civil cases one of the litigants is trying to scam the system or blame the other guy for his stupidity.

4. Attorneys are rarely as good as they think they are. Public defenders are either right out of school or ending their careers. DAs can hardly wait to move on to something better.

5. If DAs did not have a high conviction rate they would be total incompetents. A sociology professor told us that the odds of any arrest going to trial were greater than 1000 to 1 (I don't know how he figured the odds). At so many steps in the case, many people had the option of kicking the case out of the system, from the beat cop, to the perp pleading guilt, to the DA saying there's no case. By the time the case goes to trial, the defendant is so guilty the trial is for show and little more. To lose a case is an indictment of the DA rather than a testimonial to the Defense attorney.


Ditto

I live in a small county and have been called for jury duty 20 times in the last 21 years. My wife on the other hand, has NEVER been called. I am always thrown off juries because when we are all sitting in the jury box going through all of those questions somebody always asks, "will you take the evidence and testimpny presented in this court and the law as explained to you by the judge and use that to render your decision?" I always answer NO!

That usually gets a lawyers panties in a wad and I am asked. "Why not? It's the law."

My response is that while serving as a juror, I am the law and the defendendant goes free or is found guilty by what I decide and I will decide what law and testimony I accept and which I will not accept.

Well now, That gets the judge involved and he/she usually asks if I think I am above the law. I respond that I have served on juries previously and either convicted or acquited the defendant and then the judge sets aside the jury decision and imposes his/her own. And if the judge can do that, so can I. And either the judge must ABSOLUTELY accept the decision of the jury, or why am I required to stop my life and serve on a jury? If the judge is going to override the jury decision and impose his own, why bother me with being part of the dog and pony show of a trial? Why not have the judge do that in the first place and leave me alone?


Ditto #2
It whizzes off the judge who refuses to seat me on the jury, but he makes me sit in the courtroom for the ENTIRE SESSION which lasts a full week as punsihment and threatens me with comptempt of court if I don't. He has the baliff call my name at the beginning of every session to make sure I am present. I am often punished more than most of the defendants in court.

Yeah. Our criminal justice system is goooooood. But if most people know about it what I know about it, they would tremble in their boots if they are ever brought in to a court and tried by a "jury." Most of the people sitting on it are dumb as a post.

MikeR
Of course what you fail to recognize is is that even though you think Burt is "utterly incapable of viewing anything in a fair and balanced manner." he is honest about what he thinks and if his opinions make him inappropriate for a jury then good! I'd rather have that then someone who claims to have no biases. We all have them MikeR even you

Bleeding Heart Liberal & sheepdog
Bleeding Heart Liberal:

When I was living in Los Angeles County, in the last half of the 1980's and the 1990's, by then ten days had become pretty much the standard period of service for jury duty - because by then, that seemed to be the maximum period of time that most employers apparently were willing to pay for. Although when a jury pool was first called into a courtroom, the judge would tell the jurors roughly how long they expected the case to take - and if they expected it would go longer than 10 days, the judge would ask the jury pool who this would be a problem for, and those whose employers would not pay for more (some people's employers wouldn't pay for ANY) or who had some other conflict could then identify themselves, and were USUALLY (although not always) immediately excused from that particular jury pool. Whereupon they would go right back to the jury assembly room and wait to be assigned to a new jury pool.

sheepdog:

In the stint of jury duty I just did here in Missouri that I mentioned before, one of the questions asked the whole jury pool once we were in the courtroom, by the prosecuting attorney (the case was a black kid, probably a gang member, who had shot several people, and whom I had NO DOUBT was guilty as sin, and indeed he WAS subsequently convicted), was who owned firearms; those who raised the hands were each asked what kind. Another question she asked was if anyone in the jury pool had any particularly strong prejudice against guns; again, those who raised their hands were each asked to give a little explanation of their aversion.

I DIDN'T wind up on the jury on that case, by the way.

Many years ago

My wife got out of jury duty because she said that the 1st amendment had both rights and responsibilty.

I got off jury duty in a felony case becuse I said I would follow the law and the judge's explanations and make my decision on the evidence presented.

In both cases, a thinking juror is not what they wanted.

I've been
called on a couple of juries, and I loved it.
And took the responsibility seriously, in fact all the ones I served were serious no matter what type of trial. Even the humorous ones.
One particular trial was a civil one and just having started homeschooling my youngest child it was going to be difficult, especially when I saw boxes and boxes by both lawyers tables. It was a personal injury case, dealing with partial paralysis and a business that could have been destroyed (small family). I tried to
get off, but because a family member suffered a similar injury I was chosen. The business's
lawyer looked like a Matlock, disheveled and not really a smooth talker., the families lawyer, expensive suit, articulate. In his summation I caught his drift..he was playing on sympathy for the young man in question and made remarks that I knew were directed at me. In the end, we didn't give the family what they wanted, we gave the young man what he needed, enough money to pay for an education and a new life, and saved the family business. There were several of us on the panel who I knew as Christians, and later learned we'd all prayed for wisdom. It turned out to be one of the best experiences of my life.

Who's Eisenhower?
Never Heard of Stevenson,


Whenever I read an article that says we must have more and more people register to vote, I'm reminded of the 1956 “Man on The Street” program, shown on national TV. The lady being interviewed didn't know there was an election underway, she didn't know the name Eisenhower, or Stevenson, and didn't care to know.

As could have been predicted, the very next day the same news program carried pictures of the Democrats registering the lady to vote.

Oh, and by the way, that registered ignoramus was then eligible for jury duty! Would you want her, and others like her, to pass judgment on something you did, or even more important, on something you didn't do?

Perjury Required

The first thing a Judge requires, is that a defendant who has committed a crime and does not want to admit it, must commit perjury and plead, “Not Guilty.” How about a justice system where the lawyers on both sides, the defendant, and all witnesses must concentrate on one thing and one thing only:

Did the person on trial commit the act/crime of which he/she is charged? Who the defendant is, the state of mind when the act was performed, where the person was born, skin color, etc., should have nothing to do with the trial held to determine if the act was committed. Those facts may be of importance when punishment is determined, but not while the court is trying to determine if the defendant committed that act in the first place.



Jury Duty
Here in Oakland County, MI. potential members of juries are pre-screened. The package that was retutrned to me prior to my appointed days for jury duty said; "You will be making life changing decisions so treat this with proper respect. Please dress appropriately, no jeans, t-shirts or halter tops please." After sitting for hours with other people that were also dressed in business type appearal and not being asked to participate in the selection process, I noticed that the people that were selected for juries were wearing jeans, t-shirts, halter tops and sporting multiple tatoos and body piercings. I then asked the nice lady in the office if I could go outside for a smoke break. She looked at my profile and asked if I really have an MBA degree. I said yes and she said "Wait another 10 to 15 minutes then go home. You won't be getting on a jury." The Oakland County system dose not waste judge's or lawyer's time on low potential educated people.

The truth about "a" jury.
I was privileged to serve on a jury once. All who know me were astonished that I made the cut for many of the reasons stated above.

Unlike many of you I did not find my fellow jurors to be lacking. To a person they were sincere. They were attentive during the trial and displayed a genuine interest in doing the right thing.

As much as I like Burt, I think it was good that he was dismissed. Burt tends to be dogmatic. His strong belief system makes him a good columnist, but it also makes him too close-minded to be a good juror.

The Writer Stops By
I haven't had time to read all of the responses, but I did see that du, who claims to have had exchanges with me, insists that I hate homosexuals so much that I would be biased against them if I sat on a jury.

I do not know who du is. The fact is, I have had exchanges with many gays. I have made no secret of the fact that I am opposed to same-sex marriages, but it's absurd to suggest that I would therefore not rule as fairly in a case involving gays as I would in a case involving straights. That is a bigoted statement, and I trust that those of you who have read my work over the years recognize it as a slander.

It would be the same as suggesting that I couldn't be fair in a case involving a fellow Jew just because I have taken issue with the fact that in any election, 80% of Jewish voters will vote for the left-wing candidate.

Burt Prelutsky


Information about Jury Nullification

Our first Chief Justice, John Jay, told jurors: "You have a right to take upon yourselves to judge both the facts and law."

In 1805, one of the charges against Justice Samuel Chase in his impeachment trial was that he wrongly prevented an attorney from arguing to a jury that the law need not be followed. The case concerned the charge of treason, the court ruled the jury decides, not the judge or the legislature.

Keep that in mind the next time you serve on a Jury.

Another time

I was on a civil jury for damages. The plantiff's attorney was playing for sympath, had a so-so case.

Apparently both attorneys could read that the plantiff was at best only get a small amount, decided to cut their losses. After about 10 minutes recess ( testimony was not finished), the judge announce the parties had reached a settlement and we were dismissed. Out in the hall, some of us discussed how we would have voted and we agreed the plantiff's case was weak.

n
Oh no, I agree that Burt was being completely honest and is therefore totally inappropriate for jury duty. And yes, we all have our biases and prejudices; even me. The difference between Burt and me is that I recognize mine and fight them. In situations where it matters, I try with all my heart to be fair and balanced, even though I don’t always succeed. Of course I can’t say for sure that Burt doesn’t recognize his and try to fight them; but the point of his column seems to be that he recognizes some at least and is unable to control them. An interesting aspect is his comment, “I’m willing to wager, is more than the 12 people who wound up on the jury can say with a straight face”. In this, he is saying that all men are like him but just don’t admit it. This reinforces the idea that Burt’s preconceptions are too well entrenched to see things for what they really are.

There is a simple test. Since there is only one perfect being (at least for Christians) and one who is totally evil, everyone else must fall somewhere in between. An honest person, who tries hard, should be able to find a flaw in those they truly admire and a quality in those they dislike. Burt has never come close to doing both. I, on the other hand, have done so several times in past threads over the years that I’ve been coming here. I don’t know you, but were I to be on a jury and you were the accused, by God’s will, I would do all in my effort to be fair. I owe that to you as a person and to God as a Christian.

the problem
with juries is that they are selected to be largely or exclusively made up of the idle, ignorant, biased, or dishonest. anyone who does not fall in that group will be disqualified for one reason or another.

jim in CA
I once engaged in my own form of "jury nullification" during a stint of jury duty in L.A. County.

I had been summoned to the Hollywood courthouse, on Hollywood Boulevard, just down the streeet from the Walk of Fame, and got on a gun-possession trial. During the trial, the location of the alleged crime was disclosed; it was fairly close to the courthouse. But the judge had issued instructions that none of the jurors were to do any investigating on their own.

Well, one day on my lunch break, I wandered down the street - and over to the location where the offense in question allegedly happened, just to see for myself. Of course, this was technically in contravention of the judge's instructions. And I DIDN'T tell the judge, or anyone else, that I had done some "investigating" on my own.

MikeR
Regarding what you said about "An honest person, who tries hard, should be able to find a flaw in those they truly admire and a quality in those they dislike":

With a lot of the trolls who come here whom so many of us conservatives who come here so dislike, we'd have to try REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hard to find such a quality!

I regard myself as an eminently honest person (I'm a serious Christian) - and frankly, with some of the trolls who come to TownHall, I'm not so sure I've YET found that quality!

Jury Duty
Here you are called an placed in the jury pool for a month. You call in each weekend and see if you are to report that week and on what day. I was called 3 times during the month. Each was a civil case involving traffic accidents.

There was one young lady in the jury pool that had a limited intellect. Inevitably during the question session she would raise her hand on several occasions and say "I don't understand the question." And these were pretty straightforward questions. We were not engaged in rocket science.

What struck me was that she was selected every time to serve on the jury. I marveled that anyone would want to put their fate into this girls hands, but there it was.

I have no idea how she or others actually performed since I was never selected.

Frightening experience
One of the most frightening experiences is not to be excused, but to actually serve on a jury of your so called peers. I made that mistake once, never again! after years of getting excused I got selected and sat through two weeks of absence of reasoning and thought. A woord to the wise , don't go there!

strange
We have a liberal Democratic president, and people at TH are complaining that he's a communist, fascist, etc. Yet I read post after post denigrating a institution, the jury, whose basic purpose is to check the power of the government. If the defendant were Randy Weaver would you still figure he was guilty? Would you automatically assume the police should be trusted? Would you take the word of some weirdo living out in the woods over that of a West Point graduate?

my jury experience
I finally was roped into a jury for an assualt case. The judge took upon himself to interrupt the lawyers and ask the witnesses questions when they would not get to the point. We were seated at 10 AM, went to jury at 3 PM and we got a verditc by 4 PM. I did not get to vote since I was an alternate juror (I would have voted guilty). The judge was great, but from what I learned a rare bird unfortunately.

MikeR
I agree with most of what you said. However I think burt knows his biases but you may be right that he struggles with resisting them. Yet I still think he is right he did the right think to answer honestly because if he cant resist his biases then he shouldnt be there.

Jury Duty
I have come to the conclusion that if you are half-educated you will never stand jury duty.
Lawers are there to make money and most of the judges don't care. In the last three years I have been selected three times for jury duty.
I am also an ex-policeman, I have learned if you sit and stare at the defendent most times
he will go ahead and plead guilty. But sometimes
a person whom is not guilty will fight for every thing he's worth to prove he's inocent and usually he is. A man whom is inocent is usually the one most worried'

Taft
Congratulations! Stupid comment of the day on Townhall!

" Every week he [Burt] lies about one thing or another."

funny
I'm glad Burt didn't get on. Innocent until proven guilty is what makes our court system the best in the world. People are falsely accused everyday, often. Some of these people are brave enough to go before a jury and hope to hell that the jury believes in innocent until proven guilty just as much as they do. I suppose the only thing that will change Burt's mind is when he's falsely accused.

Pinto Man


Everyone has bias. It just that some will admit theirs and work around or through them.

Don't think people have bias? Think about all the comments about neo-cons, repubs, crackers, gringos, etc.

It how we function that matters. Burt waas upfront with his bias. And yes , if the choice was between beleiving the pastor of the local church and a known drug dealer, I would be more likely to beleive the pastor. I would tell the attornies if asked.

standshisgrounds
I know what you mean and have to agree. But I must add that what we see on blogs is often one-dimensional caricature of the people who write the comment. In short, we don’t really get to know them. The same could be said of contributing authors, but they have a much better opportunity to express themselves fully.

Often when I bring up this train of thought, someone suggests Hitler or Stalin; and yes, I am sorely pressed in those cases and other such notorious people. But in general, it is a sound idea. Consider my opinion of Burt. It should be obvious that I don’t like his work. (Remember, I don’t know him personally, so this pertains to the Burt of TH only) But, I get the impression that he has a real wise guy almost devil-may-care sense of humor. To a somber person like me who tends to take things too seriously, that’s great; almost envious. That leads me to believe that Burt could be a very charming and entertaining person. He would be a real pleasure to be around.

This sort of thinking goes both ways and I would say the same thing to both liberals and conservatives. Have the liberal consider GW Bush and the conservative consider Clinton. While intellectually stimulating, bring it back to jury duty. In my gut, I would believe the preacher over the thug; but in my heart and head, I would try hard to listen to what each had to say and consider the merit fairly.

As a two time juror my opinion
I have been blessed to serve on two juries in Harris County, Texas better known as Houston which is known for giving death sentences like they are candy. I am african american and actually sat on a murder case that did not result in a death sentence. The other case was a rape case and it was more about sentencing than guilt. I learned that dispite the instructions of the judge bias is personal and no amount of testimony will ever change a prejudice in a person heart. In both cases the evidence was overwhelming and was not disputed but the defense attorneys attempted to touch heart strings with the poverty defense which actually did not hold water in either case but both defendants were minorities. That is how some people will always view minorities or products of affirmative action.

I have Jury duty next month, Again!

I'm never picked to actually sit on a jury :-)

Dumb move on the defense's part...

Why would I waste taxpayer money finding a defendant guilty when our Democrat Governor will give the thug early release a couple weeks later?

And, how can we condemn someone who has 'Not' had the opportunity to learn proper Christian moral values. They just don't know better.

Plus, it's all relative in Liberal Michigan. One Man's Thief is another Man's Robin Hood.


But don't worry, they won't pick me.








Actually ...
they look at me and tell me that I look like the type of guy who doesn't like lawyers and my answer is simply that I love justice and loathe lawyers as the two are mutually exclusive.
There's a difference between a legal industry and a justice system. Lawyers as legislators
write inscrutable legalisms that only they are the agents of interpretation.

This is called a confidence game.

Professionals my butt. The only doctors who act along the same vein are abortionists. These sacks of s**t try doctors. I don't know of any doctor who tried to invent new diseases or spread them.

A Miracle about to happen

Did you ever hear the story about the man who claimed he was disabled, won his case at a trial and was being paid a million dollars by the insurance company.

After the trial the insurance company lawyer told him, “We don't believe you, and we are going to watch you carefully. If we ever find you can move by yourself, you are going to pay back the money and go to jail.”

The man replied, “I am going to have my wife push my wheel-chair to the airport and put me on a plane to Paris, then on a train to the south of France, and at Lourdes you are going to see the greatest miracle in history!”


Answers to juror questions.
You are absolutely correct. My response once that I would give more weight to a police officer's testimony than to a private citizen. We are not trained observers, the police are.

Burt
Your answers were correct and lawyerly.

BARNEY'S THEME SONG???
Isn't that against the Geneva Convention or something???

YOUR CIVIC DUTY
Burt: Perhaps you have an idea how many people try to dodge jury duty, sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for frivolous ones, such as the fact there are better things to do.

If they only knew your secret to avoid it: just tell your questioner the truth. Some of the questioners must be confounded when presented with it. Hence, "Goodbye, Mr. Prelutsky, and thank you."


Uncle Alby
Barney's Theme Song is only against the Geneva Convention if the person who has to listen to it is an innocent victim of George Bush's "war on terror" and is what is formerly referred to as "an enemy combatant".

Oh, I just remembered

One time I got out of Jury duty because I refused to take my sun visor off. I have great troubles with light and my eyes.

When the Judge insisted, I told him that the doctors let me wear it during a heart operation at Eisenhower Hospital, so I thought he should allow me to wear it in the court room.

He said, Goodbye.

How about an expert on the subject?
I was called during jury selection for a case regarding a local, small town mayor who was suing a motel because he slipped and fell on the concrete sidewalk outside of his room. When the judge questioned what I did at the time, I said I was in construction. "What type?" Well, I said I was a concrete surface sealer. Essentially, my job had put me in the position where I would have been instantly able to determine whether hizzoner was lying or not, depending on the evidence.

Of COURSE, both plaintiff and defense SIMULTANEOUSLY blurted out, "MOVE TO DISMISS #56". Even the judge laughed, as he knew the score. I guess they don't want anyone who actually KNOWS anything about what in hell they were going to argue about in court on the jury.

ON THE SAME SUBJECT...
...it ALWAYS GALLS ME that felons have a built-in, unbeatable excuse for not going to jury duty. I can understand peace officers, officers of the court, and military personnel being exempt, but I think that if there are criminals who have been convicted previously, they should have to do community service in lieu of a normal person doing jury duty. The amount of time a felon would have to spend for community service should equal the time a normal citizen would spend, probably 40 hours.

Any thoughts?
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