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Friday, March 20, 2009
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
Taxes, Traitors, and Popularity Polls
by Burt Prelutsky
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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


Several states are considering raising additional tax revenues by charging us a fee based on the number of miles we drive. In order to monitor our comings and goings, they would install GPS chips, which we’d no doubt have to pay for, in our various vehicles. The Big Brother aspect aside, we are already being taxed on mileage at the gas pump. If you drive a lot, you fill up more often. Even politicians as stupid as the ones we have here in California should be able to figure that out.

But when it comes to taxes, our elected officials are as insatiable as hogs at a trough. To their way of thinking, double-taxing us is only a poor substitute for triple or quadruple-taxing us. In the immortal words of Henny Youngman, take the death tax…please. While you’re alive, you’re taxed on every single dollar you earn, so you would think that dying would finally provide relief from the tax collector, but you’d be wrong. Even liberals should recognize there is something shameful about taxing a dead person’s estate for money that has already been taxed while he or she was still breathing.

But shame, it seems, is something that has completely disappeared from the national landscape. I can’t recall the last time I heard anyone confess to being ashamed about anything. People go on TV and brag about their crimes and addictions, and they’re applauded by the studio audience and given benediction by Saint Oprah.

Single women are no longer even embarrassed to be pregnant, but neither are male celebrities ashamed to have impregnated any number of groupies. Professional athletes are caught using steroids and blame it on their youth or, worse yet, claim they don’t recall having performance-enhancing drugs shot into their fannies. Millionaire politicians, whose finances are arranged to minimize their own tax liability, aren’t the least bit ashamed to call for increasing taxes on the rest of us. What’s more, the same buffoons who keep raising the minimum wage never bother paying withholding taxes for their own menials until they find themselves being considered for Cabinet positions.

It’s easy to find fault with politicians and celebrities, but they’re not the only ones who lack a sense of decency. After all, until his last arrest, O.J Simpson had probably signed more autographs over the past 14 years than Tiger Woods and Derek Jeter put together.

Even Jane Fonda, who should have been sent to Leavenworth for lending aid and comfort to the North Vietnamese, hasn’t been shunned or shamed. Instead, she’s spent the past three decades winning Oscars, hawking exercise tapes and being honored by feminist groups.

And, lest we forget, the same jerks who openly despised Elia Kazan for half a century because he had the temerity to name Communists have lionized John Dean even though his sole claim to fame was ratting out his Republican friends and colleagues 35 years ago.

Considering how tolerant and accepting society has become, I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised that Barack Obama is held in such ridiculously high esteem by so many people. Blame it on my cynicism, but to me, he comes across like a late night TV pitchman. If he hadn’t made such a success out of politics, I would have expected him to wind up doing infomercials for Ginsu knives or that hair paint product that comes in aerosol cans.

Recently, I saw a poll that asked Americans to name the people they most admire. It was an interesting list. Six of the people were dead, four of them by assassination. Only one woman, Mother Teresa, made the top 10 and she came in 10th, just behind airline pilot Chesley Sullenburger. In ascending order, the remaining eight were John Kennedy, John McCain, Abe Lincoln, George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Martin Luther King, Jesus Christ and, topping the list, Barack Obama.

I admit I was slightly put out that six politicians made it, even if four were Republicans, and I didn’t. But when I discovered that even God only came in 11th, I didn’t feel nearly so bad.

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Thanks, Burt
My reading of the Townhall columns feels complete only when you have a column in it!

Burt, OH-BOY !

If 'Baal' were still around, he would have edged God out also.

Nothing like Virgin sacrifice to pump up the ratings.



My list would look very different.



Good stuff
Absolutely correct, bad behavior is tolerated and even glorified. This AIG fiasco has led me to understand yet another survival tenet: tell only as much truth as you have to.

The Writer Stops By
Juseff--I'm happy to oblige, even if it's only on Monday and Friday. Of course now I feel guilty for leaving you hanging on those other five days.

Regards, Burt

Yeah Cavell,
It really sucks that a woman doesn't have enough sense to use the many preventatives unless she just wants the burden or the potential reward (Octomom).

Cavell
I guess your not aware of the statistics that show that children from single mothers suffer. I guess it's just old people that care what happen to children. They are so uncool. But you, you are cool.

Old and Out of Touch
I am even older than Burt, but neither Burt nor I am out of touch. I'd say you are the one out of touch, out of touch with morality.

Aside from the morality issue, I resent having to pay more taxes to set up nurseries in schools so that the pregnant mommies can continue with their social lives. I resent having to pay to support their children because the non-involved daddies are off somewhere impregnating other girls. I also resent the total lack of concern for these children being brought up in dis-functional homes.

We don't have to put a mark on these girls because they are strutting their stuff for everyone to see and admire.

Surely, you must be embarrassed for your lack of proper upbringing. Aside from morality you were obviously never taught to have respect for your elders.

GPS Tax
Is the purpose of the mileage tax to get us to reduce our driving? If so, then the current gasoline tax will collect even less revenue as people will alter their behavior.

We've heard for years that we need to implement conservation measures in regards to oil based products - namely gasoline. When, as a county, we started to conserve, all of a sudden we heard that tax revenues were way down. Then you hear politicians talk about a tax increase to cover their losses.

Our lawmakers truly act like a dog chasing its tail.

Matriarch; Cavell
I could not have said it better than you did.
The fallout from single people having children is there for all to witness firsthand.

Those with eyes, ears, and a reasonable amount of intelligence can't deny the pain caused by the nincompoops who lack the brains to comprehend the damage they bring to innocent human beings.

Cavell, I suggest you do some research on the subject. You are way off track when you don't know that you are one of those who are
"out of touch" with the real facts.

Pay no attention to Cavell
He just stops by to throw out some useless rants in hopes of seeing his name pop up in others responses while sneering at us Conservatives for reading these pieces. Apparently he has read them all though, but never backs up any of his drivel with actual facts.

Response to The Cyclist
Nice reply.

The lawmakers truly cannot seem to figure it out, can they? They've been caught in this catch-22 for, what, 75 years now?

But is it the politicians' fault? Or does fault lay with the people who keep electing the politicians from the same two parties year-after-year?

COUNTERFEITING OR GRAND THEFT
If an American taxpayer printed the money they needed they'd be called 'counterfeiters' and arrested for their 'crime'.
Our government just printed a TRILLION dollars, without the knowledge or approval of the American people and 'charging' it as an IOU to be 'paid back' by American taxpayers.
This is no different than having the government 'steal' every American taxpayers credit cards and running up a TRILLION dollars of debt on them ( OUR money with which the government will waste, pocket, 'bailout' and pay back their supporters).
For the individual American taxpayer, this is 'Identity Theft', for We the People it's 'GRAND THEFT'.
If every American parent used their grown childrens credit cards without their childrens knowledge and approval, then racked up a TRILLION dollars worth of debt, their parents would be 'criminals'.
WELL THEN, the 'criminals' in our government who have committed this CRIME against American taxpayers, should all be behind BARS.

Interesting...
Society is tolerant?
With legislators inventing crimes on a minute-by-minute basis I would say society is far from tolerant. We have thought crimes for crying out loud. More like fearful.
Of course, tyranny, disguised as political correctness, has a way of making a society fearful.

Indoctrinated might be another way of describing modern culture.
Propagandized, perhaps.

I wonder... did the poll give a list of choices or was it up to the individual to fill-in-the-blank? That could explain the the top ten consisting of mostly 20th century political figures and newsmakers.
I find it highly improbable today's average American could name ten people they admire. Can the average American count that high?

No-it had to be a list which was read.
I can't believe there aren't movie stars, musicians or athletes in the
top ten (Obama excepted). Bono didn't make it? My goodness, he's a modern day Ghandi from what I hear. Sean Penn-doesn't he prevent more wars than the UN? Angelina Jolie? I mean we are talking Florence Nightingale saving children and everything. Nobel Laureate-Al Gore? Oprah? Princess Diana?

But Tolerant? No singing of hymns. No prayers in public places.
The 'fairness' doctrine. No Brazilian bikini waxing.
Nah-we aren't tolerant-we're just scared.

fear motivates
get a bunch of detectives to investigate and ruin the lives of politicans who are leading us down this socialist path. Call them Freedom Fighters and tell me where I can send my donation.

Parker
For Jesus to have made the list, you have to figure that they let the individual fill in the blank.

Mencken Was Right
I don't hold with everything Mencken espoused, however, he was often enough on target to appreciate his pithy observations:

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." Looks like oBUMa put this one on page 1 of his playbook.

"Capitalism undoubtedly has certain boils and blotches upon it, but does it have as many as government?.... I doubt it. It is the only basic institution of modern man that shows any genuine health or vigor."

Of course, Mencken was speaking of a time before 2008 and pre-Yobama, who seems hell-bent on being recognized as the Hawaii-Indonesia-Chicago Killer of Capitalism.

"Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses."

We certainly find ourselves governed by Jackals-
Messiahbama, Joe "Hairplugs", Pelosi, Geithner, Holder, Napolitano, etc. And, of course, it was the average ignorant American jackasses who put this circus in office. Cavell, conveniently puts the fine point on this by his post. Obviously clueless about values, morals, responsibility, self-pride, self-reliance, the value of one's place in society as a contributing member (instead of as a parasite)and many other matters of consequence.

We're in the shape we're in because we have the dumbest, most inane electorate in the history of the Republic, and the drumbeat for dumbing-down continues relentlessly. Nobama and his minions want to add another 11 million idiots (illegal to boot) to the voter roles who know even less about democracy, freedom and responsiblity than the home-grown morons currently carrying their ignorance into the voting polls.

I fervently hope there are still enough conservatives left to begin reversing the trend starting in 2010, but I have have my doubts.

Mencken Was Right
I don't hold with everything Mencken espoused, however, he was often enough on target to appreciate his pithy observations:

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." Looks like oBUMa put this one on page 1 of his playbook.

"Capitalism undoubtedly has certain boils and blotches upon it, but does it have as many as government?.... I doubt it. It is the only basic institution of modern man that shows any genuine health or vigor."

Of course, Mencken was speaking of a time before 2008 and pre-Yobama, who seems hell-bent on being recognized as the Hawaii-Indonesia-Chicago Killer of Capitalism.

"Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses."

We certainly find ourselves governed by Jackals-
Messiahbama, Joe "Hairplugs", Pelosi, Geithner, Holder, Napolitano, etc. And, of course, it was the average ignorant American jackasses who put this circus in office. Cavell, conveniently puts the fine point on this by his post. Obviously clueless about values, morals, responsibility, self-pride, self-reliance, the value of one's place in society as a contributing member (instead of as a parasite)and many other matters of consequence.

We're in the shape we're in because we have the dumbest, most inane electorate in the history of the Republic, and the drumbeat for dumbing-down continues relentlessly. Nobama and his minions want to add another 11 million idiots (illegal to boot) to the voter roles who know even less about democracy, freedom and responsiblity than the home-grown morons currently carrying their ignorance into the voting polls.

I fervently hope there are still enough conservatives left to begin reversing the trend starting in 2010, but I have have my doubts.

Obama Makes fun of Special Olympics

Leno: "Now, are they going to put a basketball -- I imagine the bowling alley has been just burned and closed down."

Obama: "No, no. I've been practicing bowling."

Leno: "Really? Really?"

Obama: "I bowled a 129 -- "

(Laughter.)

"-- which -- I have -- "

Leno: "Oh, no, that's very good. Yeah. No, that's very good for a -- "

Obama "It was like Special Olympics or something."
:
(Laughter.)

Leno: "No, that's very good."

Obama: "No, listen, I'm making progress on the bowling. Yeah."
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What a low class 'Punk', we have for a President!!!!

Cavell

Yeah, it does suck being old enough to remember when the vast majority of the population thought less of women who plopped on their backs, snapped their legs open and pumped out kids they couldn't afford and who expect others to pay for and support. We called them sluts, pigs, whores, hookers and a litany of other terms reserved for irresponsible, animal like behavior.

And it really sucks to listen to morons like you who think breeding at others' expense is just the new hip thing to do. We who don't think that morality is an antiquated anachronism think it's halfwits like you who are out of touch - waaaay out of touch.

Barack Obama -> TOTUS

Barack Obama is really NOT POTUS (President of the United States).

Barack Obama is the TOTUS (Teleprompter of the United States).

What a guy!

Burt--- Re. Your Reply to Juseff
Can't have light without darkness; can't have good without evil. Your columns are terrific. Submitting them seven days a week might put you at risk of overexposure... kind of like the narcissistic gaffe-machine residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Even one's most loyal of followers will get weary eventually (and in that specific case, I hope it is soon). So two days of TH columns sounds just about right. Keep up the great work, and thank you for sharing a little of your wit and wisdom with the rest of us. God bless.

Big Brother and taxes
The "right to privacy" applied:
--making repeated cell phone calls to persons unknown in Yemen or Saudi Arabia => YES!
--being able to drive your car without a microchip that tells some DMV wonk where you've been and how far you drove to get there => NO!

On taxes, perhaps the rudest of rude awakenings I got was when my grandmother passed away in March some years ago, and we had to fill out all the 1040s and such for her the next year so that she could posthumously pay taxes on the money that she had already paid taxes on back when she earned it.

More recently, our very own Gov. Deval Patrick (a one-termer if I ever saw one, even in this state--and by the way, one of the ones who thought the microchips in peoples' cars was a great idea)proudly proposes giving us the highest gasoline tax in the country.

Where does it end?

What is the Demarcation Line in America?

I am one who is willing to draw a line and state this:

The ONLY minority in America is the individual citizen. Conservatives are those who perpetuate the concept of self determination and personal achievement.

Liberals believe that minorities are 'Collectives' of minorities, that represent, different races, genders, economic classes, sexual orientations and those oppressed by any group in power etc.

The dividing line in America is NOT Democrat or Republican, black or white, but rather who is responsible for each individual citizens actions and decisions.

Approximately 1/2 the country 'Thinks', each individual citizen is responsible for their own decisions and actions.

Approximately 1/2 the country 'Feels', that someone or something, is responsible for the individual citizens decisions and actions, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN.

This dividing line transcends political parties, races, creeds, economic status and is the reason America is in the shape it is currently experiencing, in all areas of life.

Whether one is a CEO or a janitor, practices abortion rather than birth control, engages in sex perversion or not, each individual citizen is responsible for their own actions and decisions.

Some Republicans and MOST Democrats 'Feel' that if someone works at McDonald's and make $250 dollars a week and then buys a $750,000 dollar home, it is NOT their fault when they cannot make the payments and the taxpayers should help them out.

When someone has 8 kids, with 8 different fathers - they are responsible for their own actions and decisions but some Republicans and most Democrats 'Feel' the taxpayer should help them out.

I believe that Conservatives are those who demand personal responsibility and Liberals are those who believe that personal irresponsibility, must have a safety net.

Ponderous Stuff, Man
There are laws of nature that even messiahs can't violate. Math and gravity, for example, apply to the highest among us.

If you continue to subtract from any number, you will eventually reach zero. If you subtract more, you will be in the negative. If you achieve a large enough negative, you will fall to earth. This is true for messiahs and secular potentates who believe themselves to be devine.

This is also true for a nation of over-fed, under-worked, hyphenated victims protected by Federal law, who've never been told no. At the point when our deficit gets big enough that the Chinese stop buying it, we then buy it ourselves, like we just did. And then we reach the point where we can't even do that. And then we will be at the point where even protected classes will have to be confronted and told "no". The kleptocracy we're under now, a governance by thieves, will have to tell their constituencies, the money's gone.

And then the real fun starts.

Ponder this for a moment. Sit alone in your home where you don't have to put on fake smiles and tell lies so you're not accused of being insensitive. This applies especially to progressives. Then ask yourselves what you really believe millions of American slaves,who can't work, have nothing to offer society, have no intellectual capacity to think rationally, are high on drugs, and have been raised to believe they are entitled to everything they want at someone else's expense, who've had no parental guidance, and are genetically inclined to violence, will do once the checks we send them to keep them stupified and quiet stop coming in.

Be honest. All you liberals, be honest. Think aobut it.

Are you scared? If not, you're dumber than you look and sound. I pity you.






Jesus makes the list...
I don't know, I tend to look at polling with a rather distrustful view.

It's simply too easy to influence polling data by giving participants information and wording questions in a way to coerce a particular outcome.

I seriously doubt the average individual American knew or thought to write the name Chelsey Sullenburger...

He was probably named 8th or 9th...by the pollster. Right after John Kerry and Bob Dole.
The 'pollee' asks, "Who's that?"
Pollster: "He's the airline pilot who safely landed his crippled jet in the water saving the lives of hundreds of people."
Pollee: "Oh yeah, definitely."

You put Jesus on the list around number 20 and he probably makes the top ten but he's not number two. On the other hand, if you name him right away around two or three and after you give some false choices (eg. Hitler, Stalin, Santa Claus), he'll make the top two.

I mean-I'm just sayin'...like you know...uh, uh...what I'm sayin', dude.

my two cents
we live in mediocre times

qhoratius, better watch out!
Didn't you know that one of the ways that they are targeting "subversives" in the US is those that belong to or give support to third parties!! Woooo! Be afraid, be very afraid, they target those that, God forbid, have bumper stickers that are critical of our gubermint. And all you Ron Paul supports, you are high on the list. Just wait until the One has his "blue shirts" running around "correcting" your bad attitudes. Resistance is futile!! You will be assimilated!

Burt
Taxation is merely the tool by which the royalty separates itself from the serfs.

This is the goal of politicians, to establish two separate classes: the haves and the I'll-stay-a-have-not-if-the-gov't-takes-care-of-me.

Thanks for a great read this morning!

Parker
Based on what I've seen from watching the "person on the street" interviews on Leno/Letterman, I think you're right about polling.

Come to think of it, most of the "greatest president" polls I've seen have the current president at number 1, followed by his predecessor (sometimes it's reversed)-- probably the only two presidents a lot of people can name.

At least we're not alone--I read a while back that a significant percentage of British schoolkids thought that Winston Churchill was a fictional character.



qhoratius
It is not entirely the fault of the people. We have been indoctrinated to believe in the smiling face, the smoothly delivered sound bite, and the siren song of the communists. (Let's just remove the cover and call them what they are) We have been let down by the class of people who have chosen to make public office their chosen path, all too often a career path instead of a path to service. These people are drawn to a system which is corrupt and offers tangible rewards through bribes, campaign donations, and lavish perquisites of public office. If we had a larger pool of incorruptible men and women we would not need a third party. Who is to say that third partyists will be any different?

POLITICIANS
EVIDENTLY A CERTAIN SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION LIKE THESE TAX AND SPENDERS,BUT ONLY AS LONG THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANY TAXES.Vote their fat rear out!!Shumar,Pelosi,Reid need to go!!

You know
I started to write a sarcastic response, but lost my heart. To put it simply, Burt has dedicated a few columns now to how bad the country is and how the end is near. Now ho compounds the theme by telling us what lowlifes we are; and it is us he writing about. To exclude yourself from Burt’s description is to consider yourself to be superior, a member of the elite who is above the common folk. I am at a loss as to how the folks here can tolerate such an attitude, let alone applaud it. Unless, of course, that is Burt’s true appeal. A mediocre film critic and washed up sit-com writer telling people what they secretly believe about themselves. When you begin to examine “common wisdom” at TH, this theme starts to make sense.

Cavell
You know alot about nothing!Your mind is warped.God has already to you over to a reprobate. Read Romans (chapter one;KJV verses18--32

Da tele guy...



My Teleprompter, my teleprompter,
I love what it always says,

It tells me what to say,
It tells me what to do.


I went to bed the other night,
Michelle gave me an awful fright,

She asked a question,
I got Congestion.


I said, Honey,
Like, we got da money,

Er, uh, om well, duh, er like you know, um...

Lemme read my...
YeeOwch! Now they will turn blue!




MikeR
Thanks MikeR.

My IQ fell a few points just by reading your post.

You stated that Burt is a medicore film critic. You can only be a mediocre film critic if the only thing you can critique is medicore.

That is, afterall, the only thing your Hollywierd friends can produce. Need I mention Gigi.

As far as a washed up sit-com writer: Need I mention MASH, among other shows. It was a consensus (hehehe, you like that word that Al Gore loves so much) that MASH was one of the best sit-coms EVER.


You also wrote: "I started to write a sarcastic response, but lost my heart".

I guess you found it. But hey, you must be a one of a kind liberal.

A Liberal with a heart, imagine that.





From GOPUSA
The Cure for the AIG Bonus Blues


And so we have it... the "change" we can believe in. Over the last three years or so, Americans have wanted "change," and change is exactly what we have received. Since the Democrats have come to power, unemployment is going up and the stock market is going down. The housing market has collapsed, and the power of big government has grown by leaps and bounds.

But now, perhaps the American people will see what this new administration and the liberals in Congress are all about. The Obama agenda is about power... and not power to the people... but power to the government and a new ruling class. They construct an enemy, turn the focus of the American people on that enemy, and then push forward their radical agenda. In this case, the Obama "enemy" is the fact that AIG executives are getting paid bonuses with taxpayer-funded bailout money. Attention is being diverted to that issue and the "cure" is a new set of government powers that could be used to tax any particular person or group that the government chooses. If that doesn't make you fearful, it should!

MikeR

Do you disagree that American society and culture has turned into a mass of immorality, and that a huge portion of the citizenry has become imbued with a sense of victimhood, entitlement, self-centeredness, and a near totallack of discrimination about anything?

Americans for the most part don't give a damn whether their politicians, entertainers or sports figures lie through their teeth, evade taxes, cheat on their wives, diddle little kids, kill young women, shoot up drugs, steal, commit robbery, take bribes or any of a huge number of other unlawful and immoral acts.

Americans don't seem to care that billions of their tax dollars are being squandered on such important stuff as bridges to nowhere (380 million) preserving Ted Kennedy's legacy (187 million) or 4.1 BILLION for ACORN. But let a businessman receive a $100 thousand bonus he was contractually promised and these same morons are ready to join a lynch mob.

Idiots.

MikeR

And by the way. Since when is being a morally straight person being "elitist?"

Are you saying that looking with disapproval on, and considering your own behavior superior to that of liars, cheaters, murderers, child molesters, thieves, drug addicts, tax evaders and wife beaters is "elitist?"

Please tell me that I'm misunderstanding your post.

Eyeball to eyeball with Leno or Obama
I know that Obama wouldn't dare face this Patriotic American on a public broadcast forum but, traitors like Jay Leno needs to ask himself just why he is such a coward and traitor to the constitution of the United States.
He had Obama on his show and like the coward he is, he probably made some kind of deal that he couldn't or wouldn't ask Obama why he conceals his original birth certificate and college records. Either that or he simply is too ignorant to care.

You know what America, it's time to put these Hollywood traitors out of broadcast office also.
It's simple, start sending multiple emails advising friends not to watch these Hollywood traitors and to boycott every single sponsor that advertises with them. Also, Pay no income taxes until the Usurper POTUS is expelled from the US. Send multiple emails to the democratic traitors in SCOTUS.
Congress is the opposite of Progress and a bunch of traitors they are too for not demanding that the constitution be upheld.
Hell , am I the only patriotic American with balls enough to call a traitor a traitor? It appears that many have words but few have any action to those words. Do it now.
Thank you for allowing me to speak.
Nice article, keep it up.

BmanIII
You probably did lose a few points. I’m sorry if my post is responsible. That would explain how my sentence structure confused you. Perhaps this may help. I find Burt to be a film critic of mediocre skill and talent.

I have no friends in Hollywood or Hollyweird. MASH was very popular, but it was also a liberal icon of that period. After the first few successful seasons, the episodes were sanctimonious. It ridiculed our military, belittles our efforts to fight communism and in some episodes, including Burt’s, showed insubordination of the lowest order.

Other than that, I have never shown any affinity for the word consensus or Al Gore, whom I didn’t support. That you could draw such incorrect and unrelated conclusion from my post suggests that the few IQ points you lost reading my post were insignificant to your overall deficit. I was being quite serious in what I posted earlier. If you desire lighter commentary, I’m sure plenty will be provided by others.

Bob_C-Bman-YLG-Rat-Rowly-Others
We ALL know the drill for Liberals regarding shame:

It’s not my fault, I
a. come from a broken home.
b. was abused as a child.
c. Was raised in poverty.

I offer halfwit Cavell as an example.

Bob C
"Do you disagree that American society and culture has turned into a mass of immorality, and that a huge portion of the citizenry has become imbued with a sense of victimhood, entitlement, self-centeredness, and a near totallack of discrimination about anything?"

I agree , when I cant even watch a sporting event on network tv with my 12 yr old daughter w/o commecials for Charlie Sheens show or whatever the show is with the blonde gay guy and being flooded with sexual refenences or semi nude girls at 1 in the fking afternoon. MikeR is right, there is no problem here.

Bob_C
No, what I see is that people are basically the same, but have conflicting interests. If we stick with just US history, we can find plenty of lurid tales for each period. What makes the problems seem worse is that populations are more concentrated and information is so easily circulated. In short, I don’t see people as being essentially good or bad, but as having the capacity for both. I also reject the idea that the people are stupid. I think that most are preoccupied with living their lives.

I have no long term fears for America. We are going through a tough time, but that has happened before and it too will pass.

You are misunderstanding my post. Burt is saying that this country sucks and so do most of the people in it; not just a segment. I disagree. You and everyone else have to pick one side or the other. It is good to disapprove of the things you listed and be proud that you don’t engage in such behavior. Burt (and he is not alone in this) is making a much broader implication.

MikeR a lowlife?
You posted: Now ho compounds the theme by telling us what lowlifes we are; and it is us he writing about. To exclude yourself from Burt’s description is to consider yourself to be superior, a member of the elite who is above the common folk.

Since you stated that it is "us" he's writing about, and us includes you, I take it you just admitted that you are a lowlife. Unless you are admitting you are a member of the elite because you scorn the other posters here on Townhall. Which is it, maroon?

God came in 11th?
I don't have a problem with that. The question in that survey, by implication, does not pertain to "God", but rather to mortal human beings.

Anyone who answered that question with "God" or "Jesus" as who they admire most, are simply being ridiculous.

I'm reminded of athletes, who after winning the Super Bowl or World Series or some such, preface their comments on how they feel with: "Except for the birth of my child, this is the happiest moment of my life!".

The birth of a child is not a "happy" moment, it is a unique and distinct feeling all of its own and is not comparable to Super Bowl celebrations.

Off the soapbox now.

AnnRandLives
In what way have I ever scorned the folks at TH.? I have disagreed vehemently with many. I have laughed at what I thought was foolish and I have chided the use of pejoratives as a form of debate.

As to my point, I say again that Burt is making a broader implication. This is consistent with his current theme of our country collapsing

MikeR

"I also reject the idea that the people are stupid. I think that most are preoccupied with living their lives."

I would desperately like to agree with you on that one, but the daily evidence is overwhelmingly against you. MOST Americans haven't a clue who their representative or state governor is. A recent Pew poll found, for example that only 15% of those polled knew who Harry Reid is.

http://people-press.org/report/319/public-knowledge-of-curr ent-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revoluti ons

"Burt is saying that this country sucks and so do most of the people in it; not just a segment."

Odd. I didn't get that at all. But then, I don't read between the lines and add my own interpretation.

"You and everyone else have to pick one side or the other."

No I don't. I don't wear blinders and I don't give a $hit what anyone's affliliation is. I have a very low tolerance for people who are willing to overlook immoral, illegal and unethical behavior because the acts are being perpetrated by "their guys." A scumbag is a scumbag whether (s)he's a Democrat, Republican, white or black. I'm an equal opportunity judge of character.




mike r
you make a good point.

the main talking point of many conservatives is that obama got elected because americans are so stupid.

that is, in fact, their central argument of why blacks don't support the conservative agenda.

according to many conservatives blacks have been duped by democrats into supporting them.

the idea that conservatism is a failed political ideology and that their ideas have been rejected by a majority of americans is something they refuse to accept.

so the only answer must be(ta da) everyone else is stupid or duped.

GREAT VIDEO
explaining the nature of the Democrats on the Anti Liberal Zone.

Bob_C
Well there you go then. You thing most people are stupid. Now unless you thing that you are stupid too than you think you are better than them. You are therefore a member of the elite.

As for my reading between the lines:
“America's Last Will and Testament”, “Mourning in America”, “The Antidote to Obama” and “Islam and the Death of Western Civilization” Each predicts the end of our nation and society.
In this column: “shame, it seems, is something that has completely disappeared from the national landscape” “It’s easy to find fault with politicians and celebrities, but they’re not the only ones who lack a sense of decency. After all, until his last arrest, O.J Simpson had probably signed more autographs over the past 14 years than Tiger Woods and Derek Jeter put together”. Just who and what do you think he’s talking about? The national landscape is all of us.
Then comes the poll. Nobody asked me; did they ask you? What was the exact question and who did they poll? The implication is that this poll represents our society at large.

I’m glad that you are an equal opportunity judge of character. One of my main themes has been that certain much discussed character flaws can be found in both liberals and conservatives. I don’t recall much support in that area.

As the government
of the people, by the people, and for the people screams about greed on Wall Street, they should take note where the real greed in this country lies.

Here's a hint...it isn't Wall Street.

Christianlib
"...the idea that conservatism is a failed political ideology and that their ideas have been rejected by a majority of americans is something they refuse to accept. ..."

Please. You're just trolling here. I frankly doubt you can even articulate what that political ideology is or even explain how it "failed," particularly without assigning to conservatism political actions that had nothing to do with conservatism.

christianlib
I don’t believe that conservatism is a failed ideology. I believe it’s been derailed. This happens to any ideology or movement that loses focus on the center and caters to the fringe. Liberalism suffered this at the end of the 70’s. My hope is that time in exile will help conservatism to re-emerge as a viable path for our country.

BHO
at the top of the list? Burt you are kidding me. This one has never done anything. It is a sad comentary on our people that no service men or women were honored, buy a nobody with no resume is at the top.
Kirk

MikeR

"Well there you go then. You thing most people are stupid. Now unless you thing that you are stupid too than you think you are better than them. You are therefore a member of the elite."

No, I don't thing people are stupid, I think people are stupid. If that makes me part of your imaginary "elite," then so be it. You can just imagine my dismay.

By the way, I have an IQ of 145. I'd say that puts me above the norm.

christianlib
I find that most US educated folks under 35 or so, very dumb. I help hire and fire such everyday. "They believe nothing, so they will believe anything", I don't remember who said it, but he was right. They think that the comp. is here to supply them with a job, they can't do the most simple things. They don't seam to understand that the world does not revolve around them. Then some lib comes along and tells them it's ok, you got rights. No, about 1/3 of this country is normal and sane. 1/3 is sick with leftist/lib ideas. 1/3 is just not informed, and will believe anything some pretender tells them.
KIrk

How soon?
Will Obamba give citizenship awards to Hanoi Jane Fonda for her service while in Vietnam, and to Hanoi John Kerry for his service while an agent to North Vietnam during the talks in Paris?

Stan #32: They must go, not only out of office, but also they must be jailed, tried for treason, and property punished.

ROWLY #37: Don't forget Obamba's domestic Gestapo which will have 245 Muslim terrorist murderers from Gitmo as its officers, and Mexican illegal aliens as it foot soldiers.

The Cyclist
"Our lawmakers truly act like a dog chasing its tail."

That nailed it!

The house and the senate remind me of a saying I used to hear in the Navy, but which might have originated in civilian life.

'When is confusion or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. If this tactic fails to save the day, run the other way!'

Raise the Gasoline tax

I am in favor of as little tax as is possible. Rather than talk about raising or lowering a tax, let’s talk about raising or lowering expenditures.

But one thing I have noticed about Gasoline tax. The amount I pay these days is much less than a few years ago. It seems that I buy much less gasoline now that I drive a mile to the store once in a while, then I did when I drove a million miles all over the US, and 100,000 miles in Europe. Funny how that works.

But, I would love to raise gas tax by some amount, don’t know how much that is. The talk of adding a thousand dollar device to each vehicle, and a billion dollars of equipment to keep track of the miles driven, how about a $1 tax, or what ever it takes to equal the tax that junk might collect. That will create income based on miles driven, right then and there.

As they do in some European countries, just charge extra license fee for vehicles that use less gasoline, or are powered by Diesel or electricity.

But there is another reason I would like to add a fee to each gallon of fuel. Although I drive very few miles each month, the cost of auto insurance remains almost the same. I would like 25 or 50¢ a gallon to pay for the first $40 to $50,000 of insurance coverage.

The miles you drive determines the fuel you consume, and the chance of an accident depends at least partly on the number of miles you drive.

I think you can see where this is going, so get with it, let’s get it passed.

To summarize and repeat, which would you rather pay? Additional tax on fuel, which would raise money based on miles driven, right then and there, or spend billions and billions on equipment needed to track the miles driven, then collect the tax later.

Raise the tax, save the billions.



Kirk

I get that as well. I've had college graduates come into my business looking for jobs. (I own a small media company.)

Some of these people come in without being able to fill out the application correctly. Not only that, but they think that the interview is all about them instead of what they have to offer the company. Somehow they seem to want to keep the conversation on their life story instead of their skills. Those interviews don't last long.

I won't even begin to tell you the stories of guys and girls coming to the interview dressed like gangbangers or prostitutes. I don't know what they're teaching in non technical schools these days, but it sure isn't real world skills.

Mr. Prelutsky and Retired Geek
Thank you for a great column as always, Mr. P. The GPS thing is beyond troubling and I appreciate you bringing that out for discussion. I think we should be implanting GPS type devices in most politicians so we know what they do on their off hours.

Retired Geek -- 8:03 AM this date:
Well said: "I believe that Conservatives are those who demand personal responsibility and Liberals are those who believe that personal irresponsibility, must have a safety net."

GunnyG
Good day!

Just a post to tell you to check your e-mail ASAP!!!

;)

Oh, and great video at the blog!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

no balls, after his castration.

Burt said:
"Single women are no longer even embarrassed to be pregnant..."

===========

Let’s see if the one mostly responsible for the pregnancy would be embarrassed to walk around with no balls, after his castration.

The lady may have been a PT, but the man is mostly at fault.


Bob_C
Wow, you found a typo and have a high IQ. That’s good, but why is my saying you are a member of the elite imaginary. You agree that you meet the definition of elite in form. For that matter, why should you be dismayed? The short of it is that you agree with Burt. Heck, say it proud. The rest of us here (for the most part) are all stupid. The only serious implication is that our system of government is no good and that we will continue to have the same problems until the non-stupid people like you rule. Of course it should also make for a lively exchange when you tell some of our more outspoken folks around here that they are stupid and that you are smarter than them.

MikeR
Burt's essay didn't exhibit any distain or hate for the country. The man is a true patriot.

He was pointing out how the cult of personality, and that alone, is so appealing to millions of Americans who obviously have the depth of a saucer.

There are also millions of Americans who love freedom, who have actually read history books, and those Americans work on solid self-governing practices based on enduring values. This prevents government from dictating their lives.

Then there are people who KNOW themselves to be unstable, and feel they need to be parented by politicians. As they see it, someone has to rescue them from the consequences of living an unrestrained, indulgent, and immoral lifestyle.

Critical thinking skills, MikeR. Work on it.

Mike @ 12:13

you say: "christianlib
I don’t believe that conservatism is a failed ideology. I believe it’s been derailed. This happens to any ideology or movement that loses focus on the center and caters to the fringe. Liberalism suffered this at the end of the 70’s. My hope is that time in exile will help conservatism to re-emerge as a viable path for our country."

While I agree with you that conservatism has been derailed and has not failed, I disagree with your cause. Conservatives have been derailed by CINOs, not authentic conservatives.

Case in point: John McCain. Very few people believed him when he listed his positions because he was trying to be all things to all people. He came across as "Democrat-Lite". A lot of people did not trust him and believe he was telling the truth with what he really believed. Therefore they voted for the authentic candidate.

In conclusion, conservatives lost their way when they lost their principles by trying to attract so-called moderates. Successful conservatives believe in their positions and let the moderates move toward them, not the other way around.

Regards

Burt
If you and the other "Old As" republicans don't find an issue soon,it will be too late. Everyday your issues are manufactured from the previous days events. I need to advise you; This is not a recipe for victory. In Hollywood any publicity is good. There is a reason why that still holds true. Old does not have to mean "Slow"?

What the #^%$$

America was founded on certain concepts that are now considered foolishness and wrong. Somehow character, hard work, independence, and an intrinsic understanding that freedom to succeed, means freedom to fail!
The wonderful prosperity we have enjoyed up till just recently was primarily based on those principals. But now far too many of us think that we can have the freedom to succeed AND have the Federal Gov. protect us from failure too!
This is a fact in life. Freedom is not free, besides the financial costs and risks, there is also the requirement to police your own behavior! When we don't do that, others must do it for us or we have anarchy.
Party on fools! We have nobody to blame but ourselves for the mess we are in! America, the once great nation, now dead and dying!

MikeR

"The only serious implication is that our system of government is no good and that we will continue to have the same problems until the non-stupid people like you rule."

I gotta say there Mikey me boy that you do have a serious tendency to read into peoples' words WAY more than is really there. If you want to believe that then good for you. But don't attribute to me what you imagine is between the lines.

"Of course it should also make for a lively exchange when you tell some of our more outspoken folks around here that they are stupid and that you are smarter than them."

There are people who post on here who are so stupid that they don't know they're stupid. There are those who're erudite, but lack common sense - Dr Doogie Derryberry, for example. There are the majority on Town Hall who are intelligent and articulate and can read and comprehend complex issues (I include myself in this category). Then there are those who are exceptional, such as Denise and others who inject into their posts great insight on issues and whose posts I look forward to reading. That's just a fact of life.

I don't happen to look like Brad Pitt or built like Arnie. But, I do have a good mind. All I'm trying to convey is that it is as safe to point out the stupidity of the American voter as it is to say that most Americans are out of shape. Just as they don't feel the need to exercise and eat right, they also don't bother to educate themselves on issues and candidates.

Stupidity does not mean a lack of intelligence, at least not in the way I mean it. It does mean an intellectual laziness, naivete or dishonesty coupled with a closed mind.

christianlib: OK
"the idea that conservatism is a failed political ideology and that their ideas have been rejected by a majority of americans is something they refuse to accept."

OK. Ever wonder why the Democrat party has been hemorrhaging white male membership? If you would bother to look at demographics, you might notice that the “Entitlement wing” of the Party of the “Majority of Income Tax Consumers” (i.e., the Democratic Party) consists of the usual suspects: so-called poor “legal” immigrants (80% of whom are unskilled, functionally illiterate 3rd world escapees), hyphenated-Americans & of course “why marry a man when you can marry the government” single women & mothers. This is in contrast w/ the “Majority of Income Tax Payers” Party (i.e., the Republican Party) which is inordinately white & male. How long do you think men in general and white males in particular are going to put up w/ this situation? It is only a matter of exposing college students to the socialist burdens (i.e., being penalized for being successful) they will be expected to assume in the future for the benefit of “disadvantaged” victim groups.

Mike: no Representation w/o taxation
"The only serious implication is that our system of government is no good and that we will continue to have the same problems until the non-stupid people like you rule."

The problem is that very soon the majority of voters will be people who pay no income taxes whatsoever. Solution? No representation w/o taxation,i.e., if you don't pay income taxes you don't vote. Unfortunately, implementing this policy will mean the death of the Democratic Party.

jim in CA: OK
“…walk around with no balls, after his castration.”

OK. Why is it that I find that the most rabid female-chauvinists are actually self-loathing male enablers & apologists of female misbehavior who publicly exhibit their misdirected sense of chivalry? To begin with, despite having access to over twelve (12) forms of birth control (men only have two (2)) the “virtuous” gender unilaterally exercises its "reproductive rights" 1.4M (30% of children conceived) times annually (w/o considering the corresponding responsibilities) by aborting, committing infanticide, & outright abandoning their children for purely capricious & arbitrary reasons. Additionally, American women bring about 75% of divorce actions (the “No-Fault” Divorce legal movement was started by the National Association of Women Lawyers in 1960), have children out of wedlock at least 37% of the time, and are invariably “entitled” to subsidized housing, welfare, food stamps, child custody, child support, alimony, etc. According to R. Baker in the book “Sperm Wars”, at least 10% of all married women commit the most despicable form of domestic abuse: Paternity fraud.


jim in CA: OK (cont'd)
Why does Society enable & rationalize such toxic behavior? In the book “Death of Right & Wrong”, author Tammy Bruce exposes a pro-feminist paternal society in general & a legal system in particular that coddles dysfunctional women by rationalizing & enabling their misbehavior. In this current state on institutionalized Misandry (Men=bad & Women=good), irresponsible men are accorded financial penalties at best and prison at worst, whereas irresponsible women are coddled by American Society. Men do bad things because they are inherently evil whereas women do bad things because of exterior/interior “forces beyond their control” (e.g., evil manipulative MEN, mental illness, unsubstantiated “abuse”, etc.): CAPT Lisa Nowak, Mary Winkler, Andrea Yates, Debra LaFave, etc.

Let me be clear: the REAL problem is that men & women certainly don't hold WOMEN to the same standards they hold for men. Your statements reinforce this truism.


CONSERVATISM
It doesn't fail;those who claim to be conservative have failed!Just like those 86% who claim to be Christian,
but when it comes to where the rubber meets the road,you find them staying at home watching Springer and Ophrey.

Well Burt, the government......
...has been harping and moaning about how we need to use less fuel, now they're crying and complaining about the tax revenue going down.

Figures.

As to the implied question, Do we have no shame? No we do not, ever since we were instructed it is no longer correct to be judgemental over other peoples low moral choices or actions. The only people who are allowed to be open for critisism and public disdain are people who believe that some amount of decency and decorum(sp?) should be maintained in an individuals life.

My own particular advantage is: I don't care. I've found that to be disliked and held up for ridicule by these people is actually rather pleasing. They are not the sort I would want as my friends.

pro from dover
I never said that Burt hates this country and disdain may be too strong of wording Burt I will accept that in light of this comment, “Burt is saying that this country sucks and so do most of the people in it; not just a segment”. This is my original statement, “Burt has dedicated a few columns now to how bad the country is and how the end is near. Now ho compounds the theme by telling us what lowlifes we are” My reasons for coming to this conclusion are listed in my post of 12:04 PM.

I agree that “There are also millions of Americans who love freedom, who have actually read history books, and those Americans work on solid self-governing practices based on enduring values”. That is one of the reasons I disagree with Burt. That statement runs contrary to Burt’s statement “shame, it seems, is something that has completely disappeared from the national landscape”.

It is odd that you would suggest that that I should work on critical thinking when you not only failed to take in my point but go on to espouse one that supports my position.

Demosthenes
Excellent posts!

Balance the Budget
Here's a plan. Put a $0.50 surcharge on every vote phoned in to American Idol.

Lolo1
I second your notion regarding what Demosthenes just posted!

Especially when he said, "the most rabid female-chauvinists are actually self-loathing male enablers & apologists of female misbehavior who publicly exhibit their misdirected sense of chivalry".

One thing that absolutely amazes me about what the contemporary feminist movement has become (not the equity feminist aspect of it, which such feminists as Christina Hoff Sommers and Tammy Bruce would represent, but the gender feminist aspect, which is all these nutty feminists Mike Adams is constantly writing about and those such as the women of NOW) is how these feminists have become excusers and enablers of the worst kind of behavior - in BOTH genders. As Adams exposed in a recent column, now many rabid feminists actually believe women should have the right to voluntarily choose female genital mutilation - a practice that they USED to rail against as though it was genocide. And, again as Adams has exposed that has become practically institutionalized in academia, they actually celebrate the pornographic. Not to mention how they've excused the behaviour of Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy, who embody the very attitudes toward women that I thought feminists were supposedly dedicated to changing.

Although of course, the "mainstream" feminist movement as it has evolved by 2009 is now virtually indistinguishable from the lesbian movement; I'll believe that's no longer the case when the next president of NOW is a happily-married heterosexual woman.

As one woman wrote some time ago, the contemporary feminist movement is now anti-male, anti-child, anti-family, and even anti-FEMININE; how come so many radical feminists, who haven't got a good word to say about men, in physical appearance seem to be trying to look more like THEM than like WOMEN, much less DESIRABLE WOMEN?

Even my mother, who was anything but a stay-at-home mom, is utterly disgusted with contemporary feminist women.

Bob_C
The focus of Burt’s theory that people are stupid is “I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised that Barack Obama is held in such ridiculously high esteem by so many people.” Now, if you agree with Burt that people are stupid and Burt thinks that stupid people combined with our system of government produce leaders like Obama, it follows that our system is undesirable if you find Obama undesirable. Now if you like Obama and what he is doing to our country then I was mistaken and I do have a serious tendency to read into peoples' words.

I am trying to follow your line of thinking but am probably making mistakes. Consider this: you wrote “I think people are stupid” and now write “There are the majority on Town Hall who are intelligent and articulate and can read and comprehend complex issues”. As the majority on TH are people. These two statements are contradictory. It is my position that people are not stupid but can be distracted to the point where they don’t care. I think the explanation you offer in the end, while different form mine, is in the same vein and much more reasonable than Burt’s.

Demosthenese
That is a problem, but is it realistic? How many voters aren’t paying income tax now and what is the projected rate of increase? Also, what is that rate based on?

Ray
When did this instruction take place? The “Scarlet Letter” was written in 1850.

Its the man, not the lady at fault

I remember years ago at a meeting filled with young men and women, where the meeting leader asked, "How many of you want to be screwed tonight?" Most every hand of a male went up and a few females.

He then asked, "How many of you expect to be screwed tonight?" A third as many male hands went up, and 5 times as many female hands went up.

What universe do you people live in, when you think most woman who have sex thought of it, and pushed for it before the male?

Sure she could have said no, and most likely did, but the male could have protected her if he was a real man, and not a wimp.


Shame is felt..
...when someone respects the object, tradition, person, or institution that is held in high esteem or regard. Without that respect, the unshamed person believes they are justified in breaking laws or rules at will. As well, many shameless people believe common respect is a sign of weakness.

As an example, leaders, to include preachers in the black "community", teach disrespect for most things of white origin to include laws. Look where this insane exercise has taken that race. They're regularly burying their kids due to drive-by shootings, and they live with bars on the windows of their homes.

Of course, their tribal leaders explain that the above happens because the government hasn't given them enough to go along with set-asides, preferences and specific entitlements.

A healthy shame-killer if there ever was one.

I've evaluted (psychologically) literally hundreds of habitual criminals of all colors and stripes over the years, and the one thing the vast majority of them share is an absence of healthy shame. Even in a lock-up, they can't or won't connect the dots in regard to their gross lack of simple respect, healthy shame, and their behavior.

OOPS!
In my first post I wrote "distain".

Sheesh!

It's "disdain".

Sorry, folks.

saw it coming
I saw the mileage tax coming down the road. If they are stupid enough to make us install chips, I'll simply un-install it and leave it at home, no mileage, no tax. But I think Montanans would stage open, armed revolt before we paid to install a device for the government to watch our every move. I'm ready for an armed revolt now, against the federal government.

Yeh!
Burt's my boy!

Cavell
Any woman that would stay with a man that spoke of her in your terms does not think much of herself and I pity her. I also pity the woman that bore you and your grandmother. If any of my sons spoke in such a way I would disclaim them.

I'm not surprised
Most of our citizens are lucky if they can name the current president, bonus points if they correctly identify his political affiliation.

All those names have been in the news recently. Wait 6 months and ask the same people again and you'll get a different list.

The wages of indolence is Barack Obama!

Man Bites Dog OR Conyers Cracks ACORN

Mr. Conyers, Michigan Democrat and fierce partisan, suggested a congressional probe after scathing testimony about the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) during a hearing on various voting issues related to the 2008 presidential election.
Mr. Conyers called the accusations “a pretty serious matter.”

“I think that it would be something that would be worth our time,” he said during Thursday’s hearing. “We’ve never had one person representing ACORN before the committee. … I think in all fairness we ought to really examine it.”

The testimony by Pittsburgh lawyer Heather Heidelbaugh accused the nonprofit group of violating tax, campaign-finance and other laws by, among other things, sharing with the Barack Obama campaign a list of the Democrat’s maxed-out campaign donors so ACORN could use it to solicit them for a get-out-the-vote drive.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/20/man-bites-dog-conyers -troubled-by-acorn-allegations-calls-for-probe/

Good stuff
In 1916, a minister and outspoken advocate for liberty, William J. H. Boetcker, published a pamphlet entitled The Ten Cannots .

1. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
2. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
3. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
4. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
5. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
6. You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
7. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
8. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
9. You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
10. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they will not do for themselves."




Constitutional Republic - What Happened

The checks and balances, set up by our founding Fathers to ensure a Constitutional Republic, or rule of Law, has been changed to become a Democracy.

A Democracy or 'Mob Rule', was something our Founding Fathers, feared the most.

The 'House of Representatives' was intended to represent the people.
The number of representatives from each state, is meant to be proportional to the population of that state. Congressioanl Districts were drawn by population, this was changed, to draw Congressional Districts by 'Race' and other factors for 'Fairness'.

The 'Senate' was intended to represent the states.
This was 'Changed' in 1913 by the 17th Amendment, under Democratic President Woodrow Wilson. Since 1914, the 'People' have elected Senators, rather than elected by the State Legislature.

There are many opinions and instances pointed out by Historians and others, that point to these Changes.

First, my opinion of where America pursued the 'Wrong Approach', and America changed for the worse.

When the State Legislators elected US Senators, these Legislators lived in the Communities they represented and were usually Citizen Legislators. These people were easily accessed and worked or run businesses in the Local Communities. They were easily voted in and out of office and more fairly represented the common Citizen.

US Senators are Now part of the Oligarchy, and most have become 'Elite Rulers', rather than servants of the people.

I will continue this as time permits - but IMO, US Senators are the main problem in America.

I would like to hear other opinions on this matter.

Nobama Manifesto
David - you confused me for a moment, just glancing at your list it looked familiar in some way, and then it hit me - it is a take-off on the Nobama Manifesto, which reads:

1. You CAN bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
2. You CAN strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
3. You CAN help the poor man by destroying the rich.
4. You CAN further the brotherhood of man by
inciting class hatred.
5. You CAN build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
6. You CAN help small men by tearing down big men.
7. You CAN lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
8. You CAN keep out of trouble by spending more of your income.
9. You CAN establish security on borrowed money.
10.You CAN help men permanently by doing for them what they will not do for themselves.

Simply reflect on what havoc oBUMa has wreaked in the two months he has been in office. The "Yes, We Can" campaign motto meant just that - he and the Democraps will do whatever they can to turn the world upside down and the Nobama Manifesto manifests itself in every thing he and his bumbling administration screw up. About 1400 days before we can rid ourselves of this socialist crackpot - if there is anything left of the country by then...

Letter to Ohio Atty Genrl ... Game on!
To: Attorney General Richard Cordray

Dear Sir:

I write to you concerning the legitimacy of Mr. Barrack Obama / Barry Soetoro to serve as POTUS.

1. The U.S. President has to be a Natural Born Citizen, meaning born in this country to parents that are both US citizens. Mr. Obama's father was in this country on a student visa from Kenya, a British Colony at that time. Mr. Obama, Sr was never a US citizen.

2. The State of HI, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian BC. His paternal grandmother in Kenya and the Ambassador of Kenya made statements that he was born in Kenya.

3. The image Obama has posted on the Internet was not a valid BC, but a Short Version Certification of Live Birth. The COLB does not name a hospital, a doctor, or have signatures or a seal of HI Health Dept. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital BC.

4. The State of HI has sealed his BC and only stated that there is a document on file and has refused to provide information as to whether it is a certificate for a foreign born child of a resident, is a proper hospital birth certificate, or a short version COLB.

5. Even if Obama had citizenship status until age 5, he lost it when he immigrated to Indonesia and acquired Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenship and Obama reaffirmed his Indonesian citizenship; therefore, relinquishing his US citizenship when he traveled using an Indonesian passport as an adult.

6. Mr. Obama has sealed all of his vital records and reportedly spent over $800,000 on an army of attorneys to keep his records sealed.

7. In spite of Obama's claims that all cases were debunked, no single case was heard on the merits.

It is imperative that you as Attorney General of Ohio act on the citizens’ behalf and convene a grand jury to investigate this matter immediately.

Sincerely,
Susan E LeGear

http://defendourfreedoms.us/

Prelutsky
"While you’re alive, you’re taxed on every single dollar you earn, so you would think that dying would finally provide relief from the tax collector, but you’d be wrong."

Are you so very sure about that? Do you read
the Wall Street Journal? I don't very often
but over Spring Break I was in a place where I
had the opportunity to read it every day. I
learned a lot of interesting things.

One was that 470,000 U.S. citizens have
hidden assets in Swiss Banks. That # is just
for Swiss Banks. Banks in many countries
offer this service. Considering that the
estate tax is only for those with very large
estates, it is my guess that at least 469,999
of those U.S. citizens with hidden assets in
Swiss banks are among those. Which suggests
that if their estate is taxed at the time of
their death, it may in fact be the first time
it is taxed.

"Millionaire politicians, whose finances are arranged to minimize their own tax liability, aren’t the least bit ashamed to call for increasing taxes on the rest of us."

Two little gripes about the above sentence.
Why talk only about millionaire politicians
who minimize their own tax liability. How
about all millionaires. As for the politicians, our taxes haven't been raised;
mine just went down, again.



Does this guy know any history at all
Our tax rates were way higher during WWII than at any other time in our history. They remained very high for decades -- and under Republican Presidents. Estate taxes are much lower than they were 20 years ago. That is also the case of capital gains taxes. It may be taking the easy way out to exaggerate, lie or willfully being ignorant about history but it is neither moral or the best way of handling issues since you may get caught on it.

How would this person answer those points? Would he say "you are a traitor" or "socialists like you make excuses?" I did not vote for Obama, I am a registered Republican who has worked and given money to many Republican candidates over the years -- but tell the truth. Don't make things up and count on people being ignorant or forgetting what you said. Just like Obama should have been held responsible for his 20 year church record, the GOP should be held responsible for being so wrong about the costs of the Iraq war (and the wisdom for such a war). The observation that somebody questioning the Iraq war "likes Sadaam Hussein" is likely dishonest. Sure it often ends the argument, but is that the right thing to do? Sadly, the GOP cares not a bit for the thousands of dead Iraqi Christians and the destruction of their culture that existed for 1500+ years. Those people survived under all sorts of oppressive cultures, but the U.S. invasion finished them off. Ever hear the GOP talk about that? No way.

Spreading bs 'fear'gal

Prior to World War II, no one outside the government paid income tax; the people were, and understood themselves to be, immune from that tax. During WWII, Congress passed the Victory Tax (56 Stat. 884) to impose an income tax on every individual in The United States of America, something which had not been done by any previous income tax act. Excepted from that tax were those already paying income taxes per I.R.C. 211(a) - nonresident alien individuals with no United States business or office but living in a "contiguous country" and having income from United States sources.

Because the Victory Tax, a wartime measure, was imposed on individuals in the states of the union (and not countries such as Canada or Mexico), those already taxed by section 211(a) had to be excepted from the Victory Tax or they would be taxed twice. This suggests that the nonresident alien individuals living in "contiguous countries" were in fact living in states such as Virginia and Maryland - being outside the United States (District of Columbia).

The Victory Tax was repealed by section 6 of Income Tax Act of 1944, which in amending the I.R.C. includes the states of the union in the terms "certain foreign countries" (section 6 (b)(3)) and "foreign countries and possessions of the United States" (section 6 (b)(4)). This restored the scope of income taxation to what it had been prior to the Victory Tax, as not including individuals in the states of the union.


SEC. 450. IMPOSITION OF TAX.

There shall be levied, collected, and paid for each taxable year beginning after December 31, 1942, a victory tax of 5 per centum upon the victory tax net income of every individual (other than a nonresident alien subject to the tax imposed by section 211 (a)).

http://www.constitution.org/tax/us-ic/hist/victorytax.htm

During WW2
The Victory Tax was never above 5 percent of income, and it was VOLUNTARY, STILL IS.
The IRS has no law to force anyone to pay an income tax so they use lying intimidation against all you who do not know the law.


[Act May 29, 1944, 7 p. m., E. W. T., c. 210, 58 Stat. 234.]

SEC 6. REPEAL OF VICTORY TAX
(a) In general. Subchapter D of Chapter 1 (relating to the victory tax) is repealed.
(b) Technical amendments.
(1) Section 3 (relating to classification of provisions) is amended by striking out the following:
"Subchapter D--Victory tax on individuals, divided into parts and sections."
(2) Section 56(f) (cross reference) is amended by striking out ", 144, and Part II of Subchapter D" and inserting in lieu thereof "and 144".
(3) Section 103 (relating to rates of tax on citizens and corporations of certain foreign countries) is amended by striking out "and 450" wherever appearing therein and inserting in lieu thereof "and 400".
(4) Section 131(a) (relating to taxes of foreign countries and possessions of the United States) is amended by striking out "or section 450".
(5) Section 131(i) (relating to tax withheld at source) is amended by striking out "466(e)" and by inserting in lieu thereof "35".
(6) Section 145(e) (cross reference) is amended to read as follows: [remainder of section omitted]

talent scout is making things up
You are simply wrong. Rates were way higher between 1930-1980 in this country. Here is a chart:

1932-1933 - 4% 63% IRS
1934-1935 - 4% 63% IRS
1936-1939 - 4% 79% IRS
1940 - 4.4% 81.1% IRS
1941 - 10% 81% IRS
1942-1943 - 19% 88% IRS
1944-1945 - 23% 94% IRS
1946-1947 - 19% 86.45% IRS
1948-1949 - 16.6% 82.13% IRS
1950 - 17.4% 84.36% IRS
1951 - 20.4% 91% IRS
1952-1953 - 22.2% 92% IRS
1954-1963 - 20% 91% IRS
1964 - 16% 77% IRS
1965-1967 - 14% 70% IRS
1968 - 14% 75.25% IRS
1969 - 14% 77% IRS
1970 - 14% 71.75% IRS
1971-1981 15 brackets 14% 70% IRS
1982-1986 12 brackets 12% 50% IRS

And we had personal income tax during the Civil War and in the 1890s.

Don't make things up.

estate tax rates
From the mid 1970s until the late 1990s, they remained pretty much the same -- but inflation ate up the value of the dollar, so rates actually went way up. They have gone way down since. Here is the chart from 2001 through now for the dollar amount the tax begins and the maximum amount of tax. For example, in 2009 you pay no tax for the first $3.5 million of your estate. The highest rate, which is for estates in the tens of millions, is at the 45% rate. An estate of $5 million would only pay an effective tax of less than 5%:
Year Exclusion
Amount Max/Top
tax rate
2001 $675,000 55%
2002 $1 million 50%
2003 $1 million 49%
2004 $1.5 million 48%
2005 $1.5 million 47%
2006 $2 million 46%
2007 $2 million 45%
2008 $2 million 45%
2009 $3.5 million 45%
2010 repealed 0%
2011 $1 million 55%

Feargal
In English means man of valor (or bravery). It is an Irish name that is often anglicized to Farley, Farrell, Ferrell, Ferril -- sometimes with an "O" before it. It has nothing to do with either being in fear or being a gal. It is a family name of mine.

Tax protestor arguments have been rejected by courts and there is quite a bit of leglislation, regulation and caselaw on that issue that I could post if somebody really wants it. Tax protest challenges were effective in the early 20th Century -- that is why a constitutional amendment was passed. Judges have different opinions on most of the Amendments (1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 14th are litigated all the time). Your arguments have been rejected -- like it or not.

'fear'gal
Does not have a clue.

She writes:
talent scout is making things up
You are simply wrong. Rates were way higher between 1930-1980 in this country. Here is a chart:
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The rich were the only ones who paid an income tax before the Victory Tax of 1944.
They were the only ones subject to a high rate of income.
Income was profit, not labor or wages or tips.


Talent scount
I will seriously get you the case and legal cites for you. The Victory tax and its repeal have nothing to do with U.S. Income tax issues.

People disagree with Court decisions all the time. But it is wise to follow them. There have been legitimate challenges to drug laws -- but I would not advise those who think the govt is wrong to start using or selling illegal drugs. The same goes for guns. The recent Sup Ct gun case helps gun rights, but it does not invalidate all gun laws. So, you probably should not get a gun in NYC or San Fran unless you want to deal with going to jail and having a felony conviction (for something perfectly legal in my state as well as many others).

IRS Taxes are not the story
People do not realize how many taxes and fees, that are in fact taxes that we pay. Here is a partial list of taxes I pay every day, just to use my computer, live in a house and flush my toilet, NOTHING MORE.

Employment taxes
Federal
FICA
State

Then after the Feds and the state take 20% or more of my money off the top, we move to the rest:

Property Taxes:
Maricopa County
Washington School Disrict
Override- Washington school district
Community College
Library District
Override- community college

To flush my toilet:

Water Base Fee
Sewer Fee
Solid Waste Services
Enviromental Mandates
City Tax
State and other Taxes

To use my Computer;

State tax
Local Tax
County Tax
City Sales Tax
Franchise Fee

To go to the store and buy toilet paper:

State Tax
Sales Tax

Ater the feds take their bite before I see any money the rest take theirs in every utility, property and vehicle I own.

Right now I pay nearly 40% of my income to some taxing authority just for basics. And my income is far less than six figures.

No one is really getting a tax cut,

WWII rates
Again, feargal means man of valor -- and I am of the male gender (as anyone named feargal would be). During WWII earnings over $500 were subject to taxes, the highest rates were for those who earned over $200,000. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/02inpetr.pdf

I understand that you might not trust that source since it is the IRS, but I would advise you to trust the DEA and the ATF on drug and gun issues even if you do not agree with them (I do not myslef agree with many DEA and ATF policies).

feargal, is got 25% of the info
In 1930 for instance, here is the tax rate and only for those who made over 100,000 a year.
Which is like a million today.

YEAR:1930

TOP MARGINAL TAX RATE..25%

TAXABLE INCOME WAS OVER 100,000.
HERE:http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
Income was, is, always has been profit.
Income has never nor will it ever be wages or salaries.
I do not care what the IRS says.

Look it up yourself.
Its in the Congressional Record when the 16th A. was passed explaining what income was/is.


huh?
Feargal writes:
Talent scount
I will seriously get you the case and legal cites for you. The Victory tax and its repeal have nothing to do with U.S. Income tax issues

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Too far out there to argue with as its beyond reach.

No one in America ever paid tax on wages, salaries or tips UNTIL THE VICTORY TAX.
Which was done away with and I cited the ref.

There is no law that requires any American to pay a dime to the feds on their wages, salaries or tips.
PERIOD!

this link helps explain the vicotry tax
It started at low level and created a later tax credit. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/legislation/1940.cfm#1942

Tax protestors have not done well in Court (neither have drug or gun protestors). Why not lobby for leglislative change since your arguments are not being entertained. It is not like with Roe v. Wade where the decision had 3 dissenters. You do not have any current Supreme Court judge who believes in your legal theory. That is not a put-down, it is a truthful observation.

Judge made law is overturned with legislation -- why not go in that direction? I would guess you would not get too much support since our government needs the revenue to operate -- but lobbying did succeed in reducing estate taxes significantly, so you never know. Some people would like a consumption based sales tax -- so maybe some would consider your solution.

More and more Americans
Are learning how the IRS has cheated them out of their lawful wages since 1946..48 forget which year the Victory Tax was abolished.

Here is one case happening now.

FLORIDA JUDGE (Judge Tyree Boyer) RULES ATTORNEY REFUSING TO FILE SINCE ’99 COMMITED NO CRIME!!

Charles “Chuck” Behm, a Florida attorney

This is information kept hidden from the public by the press, who refuses to report on such cases.
You have to know where to find this info unless you live in Florida.
Its part of the public record.

Look up the name Tom Cryer.
Another Attorney who beat the IRS and their lies

tax protesting
I did point out that with estate tax taxes got higher due to inflation that occurred from the mid 70s to the late 90s -- which is similar to the observation concerning high tax rates. $500 in earnings in 1942 is like $5000 today -- that is hardly "big money" and that is the dollar amount where taxes kicked in. Here are some tax protest comments:

In 1986, the Seventh Circuit observed:

Some people believe with great fervor preposterous things that just happen to coincide with their self-interest. “Tax protesters” have convinced themselves that wages are not income, that only gold is money, that the Sixteenth Amendment is unconstitutional, and so on. These beliefs all lead — so tax protesters think — to the elimination of their obligation to pay taxes. Coleman v. Commissioner, 791 F.2d 68, 69 (7th Cir. 1986).

There have been many court
Decisions about tax issues.
I can show decisions that contradict one another, hows that?

The facts are only found in the US Constitution and the Congressional Record, and the Supreme Court decisions before 1930.

Like this one
Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R. Co. (1916)

In 1916, the Supreme Court issued two decisions on the scope of the Amendment. These decisions were analyzed in a 1980 Congressional Research Service (CRS) report. The report, prepared by an agency of Congress, discussed the effect of the Sixteenth Amendment on the federal government’s power to tax:

The Supreme Court, in a decision written by Chief Justice White, first noted that the Sixteenth Amendment did not authorize any new type of tax, nor did it repeal or revoke the tax clauses of Article I of the Constitution… Direct taxes were, notwithstanding the advent of the Sixteenth Amendment, still subject to the rule of apportionment and indirect taxes were still subject to the rule of uniformity.

talent scout
Here is what the rates were during WWII. If you assume the dollar is 10x more valuable today now, this translates into having a tax rate of 50% when you earned $140,000. You information is not based on any facts. Middle income people paid pretty high taxes during WWII. Here is a link for all tax years since 1913. You will see that you are not correct.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/federalindividualratehis tory-200901021.pdf



23.0% $0 $2,000
25.0% $2,000 $4,000 Listed tax rates and brackets Listed tax rates and brackets Listed tax rates and brackets
29.0% $4,000 $6,000 apply to all taxpayers. apply to all taxpayers. apply to all taxpayers.
33.0% $6,000 $8,000
37.0% $8,000 $10,000
41.0% $10,000 $12,000
46.0% $12,000 $14,000
50.0% $14,000 $16,000

This was written by Phil Hart
One of the most knowledgable men in America on the 16th Amendment and the Constitutional Tax System as its Founded.

quote:
What does the word "income" mean as it is used in the Sixteenth Amendment? Let us start with what the District of Columbia Appeals Court said; as for this narrow decision, they got it right.

The Court started at the beginning by determining what the framers of the Sixteenth Amendment intended the word "income" to mean. The Appeals Court quoted the Supreme Court, "in defining 'incomes,' we should rely upon 'the commonly understood meaning of the term which must have been in the minds of the people when they adopted the Sixteenth Amendment.’ Merchants' Loan and Trust, Co. v. Smietanka, 255 U.S. 509, 519 (1921).”

The Appeals Court also said

"The Sixteenth Amendment simply does not authorize the Congress to tax as 'incomes' every sort of revenue a taxpayer may receive. As the Supreme Court noted long ago, the 'Congress cannot make a thing income which is not so in fact.’

Burk-Waggoner Oil Association v. Hopkins, 269 U.S. 110, 114 (1925).”

The Appeals Court was correct on all fronts. Congress derives its powers from the Constitution, as authorized by We the People. If Congress could change the meaning of words in the Constitution, then the whole principle of "limited government" would fly out the window. The Appeals Court got it right too when they stated "The Government of the United States is a government of limited powers: 'Every law enacted by Congress must be based on one or more powers enumerated in the Constitution.' United States v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598, 607 (2000)."
cont...

cont...

Of the definition of the word "income" the Supreme Court said long ago, "Congress cannot by any definition it may adopt conclude the matter, since it cannot by legislation alter the Constitution, from which alone it derives its power to legislate and within whose limitations alone that power can be lawfully exercised." Eisner v. Macomber, 252 U.S. 189, 206 (1919). And the Appeals Court said, "...it would not be consistent with our constitutional government, and the sanctity of property in our system, merely to rely upon the legislature to decide what constitutes income."

arguments rejected and other laws
The federal government effectively outlaws automatic weapons, silencers and sawed-off shotguns. Should they? NYC and San Fran ban almost all private handgun ownership? Bad law? At the time of the income tax amendment, America's first drug laws were passed (prior to that heroin and cocaine could be obtained in a Sears catalogue among many places). Some believed this was beyond the scope of what the govt could legislate. To some extent, I am opposed to the above laws, but I would suggest following them.

Here are tax protestor arguments that have been rejected:One argument states passed bills of ratification with different capitalization, spelling of words, or punctuation marks (e.g., semi-colons instead of commas) (see, e.g., United States v. Thomas[1]). Another argument is that because the United States Congress did not pass an official proclamation recognizing Ohio's year 1803 admission to statehood until 1953 (see Ohio Constitution), Ohio was not a state until 1953 and therefore the Sixteenth Amendment was not properly ratified (see Ivey v. United States[2] and Knoblauch v. Commissioner[3] in the referenced article). Another tax protester argument is that the manner in which the income tax is enforced violates the Fifth Amendment, which protects individuals from having to make self-incriminating statements. In particular, they argue that the Fifth Amendment protects individuals from being required to file a personal income tax return. This argument was ruled invalid by the United States Supreme Court in the case of United States v. Sullivan.[4]

feargirl
...ah, never mind.
I really do not care to argue with a ditz

The facts reject the rejecters
There is no law in America that taxes labor or wages.

Does not matter what some fool decides.
No law...., no tax.

Any tax on labor is extortion and theft, UNLESS it is done as the US Constitution says it must be done.
"unless in proportion to the census"

"No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

The graduated tax on labor is marxism, and its criminal, in America

more links
Any, the long and the short of it is that income tax rates were way higher at varrying times in the U.S. history. Someone earning $14,000 per year in 1943, while well-off, was not rich. They paid 50% on every dollar from 14-16K. After that, over 50%. Estate taxes have gone way down in the last 30 years.

Tax protestor arguments are summmarized here in this post. It includes dozens of links too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_arguments


ditz?
First, ditz is usually a pejoritive term applied to a woman, which I am not. Secondly, I am a member of Mensa -- you really cannot be a member of that and still be a "ditz." Lastly, you are not arguing with me. You are stating things that are false (only the rich paid taxes during WWII) and making arguments that have been rejected by courts repeatedly. I am showing you (with links) that you are wrong. Likewise, gun and drug arguments have also been largely rejected (though more tax jurisprudential caselaw exists). Why not try to convince congress to repeal federal income tax?

Cavell makes my point
I do not advise others to break gun laws, drug laws or tax laws they disagree with or believe that courts should "throw out." However, if Talent Scout really wants to be a tax protestor, I guess he should go for it. His life might be a nightmare afterwards, but maybe he will feel good being a "martyr." However, since lots of people have done the same thing (most recently Wesley Snipes as a noteworthy person) people generally will not care. Courts will not change all of the precedent either. Every tax protestor "argument" has been litigated and the cases were lost. Why expect a different result? Does Talent Scout think he is some expert on legal trends? Did he predict lots of signficant decisions over the past years (like the U.S. Supreme Court gun control one, Execution of Mentally Retarded, Bush v. Gore in Florida/Bush Gore in the Supreme Court, or the Massachusettes gay marriage decision)? It would appear to me that Talent Scout really knows nothing about the legal process -- but expects that lack of knowledge not to matter because he found somebody with "all the answers."

Good luck with you legal challenges. Don't blame me if you end up in prison.

I do not pay the IRS
On a dime I do not owe.
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Cavell Location: VA
Reply # 2
Date: Mar 21, 2009 - 3:43 AM EST
talent scout
"There is no law that requires any American to pay a dime to the feds on their wages, salaries or tips."

Then quit paying yours.

Ok
FeargalX writes: - 2:59 AM EST
ditz?
First, ditz is usually a pejoritive term applied to a woman, which I am not.
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Your screen name is all I got


feargirl writes:
Secondly, I am a member of Mensa -- you really cannot be a member of that and still be a "ditz."
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I apologize for saying you are a ditz.
MENSA is a laughm ha ha, big deal, you are not all that smart no matter who thinks you are, including yourself.



Lastly, you are not arguing with me. You are stating things that are false (only the rich paid taxes during WWII)
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You are not even stating what I said.
I never said only the rich paid tax in WW2.
So you are wrong.
I said this:
"No one in America ever paid tax on wages, salaries or tips UNTIL THE VICTORY TAX.
Which was done away with and I cited the ref."

MENSA member, ha ha.
You can't even read right.



feargal writes:

and making arguments that have been rejected by courts repeatedly. I am showing you (with links) that you are wrong. Likewise, gun and drug arguments have also been largely rejected (though more tax jurisprudential caselaw exists). Why not try to convince congress to repeal federal income tax?
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Income tax is paid, on income.
You pick and choose your court case's is all.
I showed you the Supreme Court decisions that held until the Victory Tax of 1944.
Then was abolished.
What you do is what most people do, select your information you prefer to believe and reject any information you do not want to hear.
You and others do that because you are afraid of the truth



Every person whose names
Are found on the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution were "tax protesters".

Fact is, its a false accusation today to call any person who follows the law and the Constitution a "tax protester".
We have a criminal, illegal, unlawful extortion of taxes through dishonest lying and intimidation.

NO ONE in America is safe with the IRS today with its Tax Laws THEY DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND

mensa MAKES ME PUKE
The dumbest people in the world are the ones who think they are smart

Often
when I read comments describing hate crimes and politically correct nonsense, I am reminded of a song I think from the 50s called, Standing on the Corner. It was a happy go lucky kind of song which we used to sing along to. A very different time now, for sure - and not for the better.

Victory Tax of WW2


SUBCHAPTER D--VICTORY TAX ON INDIVIDUALS

Part I--Rate and Computation of Tax

SEC. 450. IMPOSITION OF TAX.

There shall be levied, collected, and paid for each taxable year beginning after December 31, 1942, a victory tax of 5 per centum upon the victory tax net income of every individual (other than a nonresident alien subject to the tax imposed by section 211 (a)).
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5 PERCENT IS ALL IT WAS
The rich were already paying tax on income over 100,000 dollars and were immune from paying more for the Victory Tax.

Read it
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http://www.constitution.org/tax/us-ic/hist/victorytax.htm#S ec211

No amendment.
This tax on individuals grew out of the Victory Tax and was abolished and taxes went back to the way it had been before WW2.
This is why the language in the IRC still uses the word "voluntary"
And the lawyers who distort the meaning today into mandatory are .... .
Liars

The Fact that Obama went on Jay Leno....
The fact that during this economic destabilization Obama decided to go on Jay Leno inidicates that he knows what so many of us know: a large segment of our population are apathetic, uneducated dolts. These are the boobs who elected him and will vote for him again in 4 years, no matter what kind of job he does.
And if they've dumbed down our population to this degree, wait until they give amnesty to the illegal invaders.

Dangerous precedent of retro-active law
Dear participants of the discussion !
I think that this sudden taxation is a dangerous precedent of retro-active applicatoon of the law. With such a precedent, one can make laws that will target people, who do not support some or other political group.
I am not a fan of AIG myself; apparently they squandered large part of my retirement savings.
Forget about me, I am thinking more about the country my children will live in.
Respectfully, Florida resident.

a cavell rejoinder

Heh... (Cavell at work)
"Single women are no longer even embarrassed to be pregnant...

. . . are you suggesting something a little more modern, like stitching some sort of reddish emblem to their clothing so that we can all know them to be hussies?"

Man. It must suck being that old and out of touch.

OLD. There's the problem, to Cavell. If your daughter's sleeping around, it's OK. Old is reprehensible; Whore is "in touch,"

Cavell thinks unmarried and pregnant is "in touch."

Let's inform Cavell the whore-monger. The Scarlet Letter has this theme: ___religious hypocrisy,____ not celebration of screwing at large and indiscriminately.

But real love of God isn't hypocrisy; it's living a life of grace. I suspect Cavell knows nothing about that. He only knows how it "sucks" to be old. Cavell sees nothing negative about millions of American whores running around pregnant. But he hates the thought of old people.

feargal is back, there goes the thread
Shucks; it would've been a rewarding discussion.

He's the Mensa Man we always needed here to play the pedant. Feargal's a man of great accomplishments. He's another Donald Trump. Just like The Donald; The Feargal will always tell you about his brilliance. He tells you at the beginning, and at the end, he's still telling you. Lol!

talent scout
You called me a "ditz" after I explained in detail what my name is and means (and that it cannot be a female name). If it were a female name, it would be something like "Beangal" (rougly "brave woman"). Being a member of Mensa is simply a matter of being able to score in the top 2% of an IQ test. If somebody is going to accuse me of being a ditz (or some other ad hominem attack attacking my intellectual capacity) I will give some evidence that I am not a (retard, ditz, dummy, etc.). If you want, I will pay your application fee for Mensa to see if you can qualify -- then of course when you do you can decline membership because everyone in that organization is an "Idiot." Members include idiots like Norman Schwartzkopf. Had I attended Harvard, I might point that out as well as evidence that I am not a ditz.

Your "interpretation" of the "Victory tax" is wrong. Your jurisprudential theory on earned income has been rejected.

I would not be surprised if dreadnaught bought into this "scam" as well. Take the time to read this link and the posts associated with it to see that somebody is making a fool out of you, and you are putting yourself and your family in jeopardy if you want to evade income taxes.

Here is the link.

http://www.quatloos.com/taxscams/taxprot.htm

If your viewpoint becomes popular (as any other viewpoint) use the political process to change the law. Elect officials that get rid of income taxes and replace them with consumption taxes or reduce the size of government. Courts will not (and have not) entertained that argument.


cavell is a quick wit



Thanks to good genes and my God, I'm blessed with awesome regularity, Cav.

And short of patience with snot lovers like you.

"I have no problem with old people. I just wish they would shut up when they no longer understand society. They have to keep right on railing, though, don't they?"

What's to understand now; that never was before? That having kids out of wedlock is a stigma? That it's not being "in touch"--??? Can you simplify that to ridiculing old people?

"These are the people who grew up with their parents telling them that Elvis was immoral and was going to destroy the moral fabric of this country, and here they are themselves, doing the same."

No-- you place the blame on parents. The blame belongs to the girl. Ultimately, she de-values herself; and yeah; that started in the 60's.

We saw it coming in one good book. "The Closing of the American Mind," by Allen Bloom.

". . . true love of God isn't living a life of grace, it's the same sort of dangerous delusion that true love of pink unicorns would be."

Reply:

How you would be qualified to say so is a mystery. You love your belly, not God. Leave judgments of what's dangerous or delusional to people with experience. All you know is NOTHING.

Because you're totally ignorant, you feel able to deny God, deny right and wrong, and blow your smoke at others. People who have suffered, who have souls. You sold yours; for the marijuana stick and your trademark middle finger. Men without a soul are the pathetic ones; IMHO. That's why I'm not fooled by you.

talent scout has limited reading
abilities. I was called "she" after I simply explained what my name meant. Here are the posts:

Your post:
talent scout Location: CO
Reply # 37
Date: Mar 21, 2009 - 12:02 AM EST
Spreading bs 'fear'gal

My reply:

FeargalX Location: PA
Reply # 33
Date: Mar 21, 2009 - 1:06 AM EST
Feargal
In English means man of valor (or bravery). It is an Irish name that is often anglicized to Farley, Farrell, Ferrell, Ferril -- sometimes with an "O" before it. It has nothing to do with either being in fear or being a gal. It is a family name of mine.

Your post:

talent scout Location: CO
Reply # 32
Date: Mar 21, 2009 - 1:11 AM EST
'fear'gal
Does not have a clue.

She writes:

My reply:

FeargalX Location: PA
Reply # 29
Date: Mar 21, 2009 - 1:23 AM EST
WWII rates
Again, feargal means man of valor -- and I am of the male gender (as anyone named feargal would be).




For information

The IRS puts out that promote IRS scams, go here.
They are very good at covering all their lies for the uninformed

http://www.quatloos.com/taxscams/taxprot.htm

feargal
Look lady, be a man about your screen name ok.

Here in America gal is short for girl.
Capiche girlie man>?

Mensa is for idiots
An IQ test is no such a thing as an intelligent test.
Its a knowledge test.

Whats the one thing we all know about anyone stupid enough to join mensa?

That they belong to mensa!
Its the first and last thing they have to say about themselves, they are so stupid.

In fact its basically all they want to talk about, ..."I am a member of mensa"... with bugging eyeballs.

Freaks are always busy measuring the circumference of their own heads to have an ounce of intelligence conversation anyway

girlie man writes:
Your "interpretation" of the "Victory tax" is wrong. Your jurisprudential theory on earned income has been rejected.
================

This is Congressional Record of the law, girlie man.

SEC 6. REPEAL OF VICTORY TAX
(a) In general. Subchapter D of Chapter 1 (relating to the victory tax) is repealed.
(b) Technical amendments.
(1) Section 3 (relating to classification of provisions) is amended by striking out the following:
"Subchapter D--Victory tax on individuals, divided into parts and sections."
(2) Section 56(f) (cross reference) is amended by striking out ", 144, and Part II of Subchapter D" and inserting in lieu thereof "and 144".
(3) Section 103 (relating to rates of tax on citizens and corporations of certain foreign countries) is amended by striking out "and 450" wherever appearing therein and inserting in lieu thereof "and 400".
(4) Section 131(a) (relating to taxes of foreign countries and possessions of the United States) is amended by striking out "or section 450".
(5) Section 131(i) (relating to tax withheld at source) is amended by striking out "466(e)" and by inserting in lieu thereof "35".
(6) Section 145(e) (cross reference) is amended to read as follows: [remainder of section omitted]
http://www.constitution.org/tax/us-ic/hist/victorytax.htm#S ec6IITA1944

Feargal only knows
He paid his dues. He won his Mensa card; we must respect it.
Burt Prelutsky is also a member of Mensa, I'm told. If I want to love Burt, I must accept his colleague, Feargal.

I also thought he was a woman at first. It's a natural mistake in a forum where every other alias is a cryptic reference. Feargal's name is irrelevant; I would appreciate him much better if he didn't boast in his every third sentence.

too bad Burt
Seems a little pi__ing match took over the thread. Not even an interesting one either.
Other than the lady named talent scout resorts to name calling when she can't prove her point, and the guy named feargal has to try to prove his by claiming mensa.
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