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Friday, November 28, 2008
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Death of Logic
by Burt Prelutsky
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The problem with being a logical human being is that every day, sometimes every hour, you get blind-sided like a quarterback cursed with an underachieving offensive line.

It’s bad enough when a movie or a mystery novel scores a big fat zero on the logic meter, but when it happens in real life, if you’re anything like me, you find yourself wondering if you have somehow followed Alice down the rabbit hole.

For instance, one day not too long ago, a headline in the sports section of my local daily, the Los Angeles Times, insisted that black players were underrepresented in major league baseball. On the face of it, that is one of the silliest examples of race-baiting that one could possibly come up with. That was the same day they ran 17 photos in the section, and all but four were of black athletes, and one of the four was a race horse. (I was moved to write a letter to the editor, asking if perhaps black athletes were over-represented in the paper.)

The fact is, professional baseball is one of the only true meritocracies left in America. If you can hit, catch or throw a baseball better than 99.9999999% of the human race, the team owners want to make you an instant millionaire, and the folks signing your paycheck don’t care what color your skin is or whether your name is Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Ishiro Suzuki or Hideki Matsui.

Still, one can’t help but ponder how the Times would go about making things right. Would they begin by getting rid of all the Latino players from Mexico, Cuba and the Dominican Republic?

But as asinine as that article was, the Times sports section managed to out-do itself more recently. They ran a piece suggesting that racism was the reason that there were only four blacks coaching football at the major colleges. That particular story ran on November 5th, the day after a black man was elected president of the United States, garnering 66 million votes. But I guess the Times missed the news because they were so busy fretting about football coaches.

This kind of focusing on presumed racism is enough to give a person pause. While everyone, well perhaps not everyone, was celebrating the election of Barack Obama, I found myself wondering what happens in 2012 if Newt Gingrich or Sarah Palin or Bobby Jindal defeats Obama in his bid for re-election? Will that mean that we are back to being a racist society? I’m dead certain that will be the conclusion of the Times, and one shared by Chris Matthews, Alan Colmes and Michelle Obama.

Still, as absurd and illogical as my newspaper is, that’s nothing compared to the lunacy taking place in our courts. To take a recent example, 100 Somali Muslims sued Gold’n Plump, a meat processing outfit with plants in Minnesota and Wisconsin, and the Work Connection, an employment agency, for $350,000…and, quite naturally, won. It seems the Muslims took five prayer breaks a day, which resulted in the non-Muslim workers complaining that it was unfair to them, while the employment agency had asked the Muslims to sign a form acknowledging that they might be required to handle pork.

The lawsuits, by the way, were filed by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Your tax dollars at work. It occurs to me that the motto at the EEOC, like that in Orwell’s “Animal Farm,” is that all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Why anyone in his right mind would hire people who feel entitled to five prayer breaks a day is beyond me, but clearly the folks at the EEOC have way too much time on their hands. Come to think of it, perhaps that would be a good place for the Somalis to go looking for new jobs. But I suppose Washington is not the place to settle if you can’t risk coming in contact with pork.

In conclusion, as most of you are aware, homosexuals have been rioting pretty much non-stop ever since California’s electorate once again put the kibosh on same-sex marriages. They have picketed and vandalized Catholic and Mormon churches to display their displeasure, which suggests to me that, instead of “gays” being their euphemism of choice, perhaps “cranks,” “louts” or “bigots” might be more appropriate.

The one group of churches they haven’t gone after are the black ones, even though 70% of blacks voted in favor of marriage being limited to one man and one woman. What’s more, blacks were very vocal about objecting to homosexual marriages being touted as a civil right. The fact that, in spite of all this, homosexuals have given black churches a wide berth suggests that while gays may not always practice safe sex, they certainly practice safe demonstrations.

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So how is it logical
that Christians fear being called homophobes and hateful ? How is it logical that any Christians voted for Obama who believes in the murder of innocent babies.

Loving Christ
Christians should never fear evil!!!!!Christians should always be hated by those who choose to do what is evil in God's eyes.
From what I understand homos grouped together to gain the courage to beat up on solitary old women because she was holding a cross.
It is not loving to accept actions that God has determined to be impure and dishonorable.

bryce
Sorry it took so long to reply but there is no answer to your post because this post, like all of your previous posts, is ridiculous.

You need to understand that this article is about logic and common sense.

Go to huffington post and click on the story about the poor victims of the horrible tragedy in Mumbai.

There you will be right at home among all the illogical posters who are blaming George Bush for the massacre. They said that if obama was in office now he would send our people over and it would have been over alot sooner.

I kid you not folks. Treat yourself to the mind of the liberal lunatic.

By the way hal, those are muslim religious fanatics.

Have not read recently where Christians are terrorizing anyone.

To Mt Rose/Barbarosa
I first heard about the "under-representation of "African Americans" in Baseball and the theory was that since the players in question were from Dominican Repub, El Salvadore, etc and therefore Hispanic!!
I concluded then and reassert NOW!!
FIGGERS DON"T LYE---LIARS FIGGER!!
CHEERS

Are Black Athletes OVER- Represented
In Basketball?

UNDER Represented in Polo and Cricket?

OVER Represented in Football?

UNDER Represented in Tennis?

OVER Represented in Hip Hop and Rap?

UNDER Represented in Ballroom Dancing?

WTF Cares?

frm txchk
"inner cities baseball fields got old and unusable over time so the black kids drifted to football and basketball"

Uh yeah. Whereas the basketball courts and football fields are kept in great shape.

Thanks for the example illustrating BP's point.

S
I worked for 20 years in an ICU and for the first 10, listened to more Wop, Guinea, Pollack jokes than I care to remember. They actually slid off my back for the most part but I must have done some sort of memory count because one day, I decided to do the unthinkable...I told a Hispanic joke.

Well, you would have thought that I had just called one of the cleaning ladies a ni**er. Everyone was completely irate.

That's when I smiled at them, told them how many Italian and Polish jokes they had thrown around the unit and that I was simply being gracious by including Hispanics into their idea of humor. Everyone shut up and I never heard another word either about my joke or any more WOP/Pollack ones they so loved to tell.

Retired Geek
This is the first time that I feel the need to disagree with you, which, considering the number of posts that you have contributed, says that I very much admire your thinking and ability to write with clarity.

I do not agree, however, that homosexuals experience lust rather than love. There have been some pretty long standing relationships between homosexuals where you have to believe that lust sort of fizzled out long before the age of 80. Who do I know that is like this? The principals of my very private and very expensive prep school back in New Haven, CT.

I also think that it is misleading to see bisexual marriages as based on love rather than lust. That's what I thought when I married for the first time. Sex every night, no problem with satisfaction. Four children later, my high earning husband decided that we needed to "swing". Somewhere in that mess, I lost my ability to love him because my trust had been destroyed.

Now, some 33 years later, we have actually talked and he stated that he brought the sh*t into the marriage, was to blame, and can't believe that he had it all and threw it away. And yah, I think it was for lust.

The diversity of situations is great, but love is not exclusive to bisexuals any more than lust is to homosexuals.

Hey Bryce! When are
you going to answer my questions RE: Gitmo?
Here they are again:

When your soon-to-be fearless leader closes Gitmo, what do you propose he do with those poor mistreated souls residing there? Extradite them back to their countries of origin? That's been tried and most of their home countries want nothing to do with them. If you and the rest of the bleeding heart morons are so concerned about the future of these "unjustly detained" innocents, what do you plan to do about it? Why don't you set up a halfway house in your neighborhood for them and you could be the house mother 'er father? I bet they could teach you the facts of life real quick.

Come on Bryce get your head out of your rear end! Stop worrying about the terrorists and show some concern for what they will do to Americans and other Westerners if released.

Yo Burt! I'm
curious. Are blacks under represented in the NBA?
Just wondering.

Re: “cranks,” “louts” or “bigots”
Great article--too bad so many in our media and leadership in this country are not blessed with like perceptiveness, or even common sense!

I especially liked the part where Burt calls out the intolerance and hypocrisy (and cowardice?) of the gay activists:

"homosexuals have been rioting pretty much non-stop ever since California’s electorate once again put the kibosh on same-sex marriages. They have picketed and vandalized Catholic and Mormon churches to display their displeasure, which suggests to me that, instead of “gays” being their euphemism of choice, perhaps “cranks,” “louts” or “bigots” might be more appropriate.

"The one group of churches they haven’t gone after are the black ones, even though 70% of blacks voted in favor of marriage being limited to one man and one woman. What’s more, blacks were very vocal about objecting to homosexual marriages being touted as a civil right...."

Peaceful Jihad
I just wanted to say that when Burt spoke of the Somalis and their need to pray 5 times a day, demanding their "rights" in court, and winning,it is part of the cultural/peaceful jihad. It abets the violent islamofascist jihad. The goal is a worldwide caliphate.

There are many examples in this country. Cabdrivers at the Kansas City international Airport demanded footbaths so they could properly wash before prayer.They got their footbaths. Muslim women attending Harvard Univ. demanded segregated gym time. Their muslim religion does not allow them to exercise in a co-ed gym. They won.
Muslim Target workers refused to touch the packages of hot dogs, pork chops and bacon in their checkout lanes. They won.Cabdrivers at a MidWest airport refused to take on passengers who were toting alcohol, or pet dogs in carriers. They considered it an affront to Islam. They won.There's more. You get the idea.

They now call London...,Londonstan. Great Britain has Sharia law in its civil courts.France,Denmark,GermanySpain,Italy,and Holland have terrible problems with their muslim populations. These countries have practiced appeasement for far too long. Apparently they learned NOTHING from their experience with Hiler and his Nazi regime.

The same thing is happening right here in the United States. A good book to get, a primer really, is "Because They Hate",by Brigette Gabrielle. She is originally from Lebanon,and now a U.S. citizen. She witnessed in her own country what is happening here and throughout the world. Her website is http://www.AmericanCongressfor Truth.com, her activist website is http://www.ActforAmerica.com.Check them both out.

Political correctness and ignorance of Islamofascism is a far bigger problem than the gay minority seeking the right to marry.


% of blacks in baseball has gone up
Many of those "Hispanics" who are in American baseball are racially "black." Virtually all baseball players from the Dominican Republic have some black ancestry. Some Puerto Rican players also have black ancestry. Some from Venezuela also have black ancestry as do some Cubans.

In any case, the percent of "blacks" in baseball have gone up -- admittedly perhaps the number of black African people from the United States have gone down as a raw percent.

People apparently cannot distinuish between race and ethicity. Jose Canceco and Sammy Sosa are broadly speaking "Hispanic" but Jose is white, Sammy is black. Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays are broadly speaking "Americans" but Mickey was white, and Willie is black.

Terry
The fact you need to ask means not yet

2 questions
1) shouldn't the fact that a (semi) black man was elected prez of the US of A indicate that we can say sayonara to affirmative action?

and

2) can we bid white liberal guilt goodbye at the same time?

Just Great
Burt is just great!

Fabius Cunctator
So you are a homosexual? Sorry, not that it is not OK but I have little interest in the subject

Farmer's Wife
"Date: Nov 29, 2008 - 10:02 AM EST Subject: Hey HalD, I thought...
that might bring a comment from you. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. I know I was enjoying my new granddaughter as I am sure you were too."

We had a great Thanksgiving and Morgan is the "most wonderfulous" granddaughter in the world. I spent a good part of the day helping her learn to crawl. I am glad your day went well too.

"...I was just musing with a "what if". It would be possible but won't happen, so no use getting upset with a little conservative humor.

Lighten up, tis the season! ..."

LOL I did take it that way too. I know Cheney won't give3 up power that easily (wink!)

Hey HalD, I thought...
that might bring a comment from you. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. I know I was enjoying my new granddaughter as I am sure you were too.

I was just musing with a "what if". It would be possible but won't happen, so no use getting upset with a little conservative humor.

Lighten up, tis the season!

Farmer's Wife
That about sums up what conservative thought has become LMAO

there is time for...
the first Black POTUS to come from the Republican Party....just musing here....

IF President Bush resigned and Cheney became POTUS and appointed Condoleeza Rice VP, then Cheney resigned, she would become the first Black POTUS and first female POTUS to boot!!!!

Well, it WOULD be a good way to PO quite a few Libs!

Folks
Look what the religious extremists have done in Mumbai now? Religious extremism is wrong plain and simple. Allow it to be accepted by society and worse will follow. Here is simply the best explanation for and the strongest remedy I have read for religious extremism of all stripes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/opinion/29mehta.html?_r=1 &ref=opinion

It worked in NYC on 9/11. It worked in London during the IRA and more recent bombing campaigns and I know it will work in Mumbai.

Re: Muslims/Gaygoyles, etc.
To Recon in VA and the other Burt haters:

Never in my long life have I witnessed so much ignorance in a people, regarding what is going on in the rest of the world and in our own country (including this very strange 'country' called SoCal).

You want facts? No. That would be too disturbing for your clouded little minds. First, you all need to de-tox. Then, repent. (Means change, turn back or away from), or repent first, then de-tox.

Then talk to real, live folks who have actually lived through some of these 'evolving' regimes. Study a little history, a start might be the history of nazism, communism/marxism and their insidious effects on society. Like how many millions died as a direct result of said regimes.

Then move on to the rise of Islam. Start with our neighbor and my old stomping grounds, Canada. Look into the continued attempts to implement Sharia (islamic) law in Canadian society, using the courts to effect that change. Ditto gay marriage and the stifling of Christian speech on homosexuality in the churches. Here, in America, we saw videos of people pushed, slammed, including an elderly lady, mothers, etc. But it was the hate-filled gay faces, all over the country that really stood out. This so-called minority is a majority here and many of us have personally experienced it.

And lastly, try living in the Socal ghettos and working in the service industries/call centers-as a 'white minority'. You wanna see real racism? Come on over buddy. I'll be happy to show you around.

Burt is funny, yet he is also very right on. You definitely cannot be on drugs to get this. So get with it or perish.


just another grouchy cohanim >:(






S; Pamela
It appears you jumped the shark with that post, S. Do you have any idea of how many people are just plain fed up with the PC crap?

Describing this a freedom to use the N-word and other disparaging remarks comes straight out of your OWN mind. YOU decided that those of us who refuse to kowtow to all the PC nonsense
want the green light to spew venomous remarks.

I suggest you read up on Political Correctness.
The following is one of many links.

http://www.resourcesforattorneys.com/politicallycorrectarti cle.html




S -drama queen
I lost two cousins to AIDS, both died horribly.

Describing the truth of it is not sick.

Not describing it truthfully is sick. That comment is to you directly.

Funny how you left wing bigots never hesitate to post pictures of dead American soldiers for all to see, yet recoil in horror at the truth of AIDS ravages.

You need to grow up.

Some sick freak wrote:
"Do not be deceived by the MILD CHLOASMA (skin discoloration) on Tom Hanks' smooth skin in the movie "Philadelphia". That movie was PR and misleading for gays and the uninformed sympathetic public about what happens to your body when you die of AIDS/HIV. Your kidneys fail, your bowels fail, and there are sores and scabs all over your previously glorious body. You don't die in a nice clean bed and comfy hospital room with all of your adoring friends (and fiends) and relatives around you. You die alone, and with the nurses and attendants who have to care for you hoping that you kickoff ASAP so that they don't have to care for your miserable disintegrating living corpse any longer with special protective clothes and procedures in order to prevent their own infection by you"

Are you freaking kidding with this?? What kind of sick person are you that you would write something this hateful and cruel? I think you should say verbatim what you said above to anyone's face who has lost a loved one to AIDS. Also, I think you should say that to parents who have lost children to AIDS.

Karma is going to hit you hard, be prepared.

Retired Geek #61
"Analogous to what homosexuals want by
'Universal Marriage" is for a sighted citizen to receive the same rights as someone who is blind."

As I see it, they demand just the opposite.

The aggrieved homos purport that they are deprived of their natural rights. Those who are blind, legally blind, or have other debilitating problems regarding sight cannot
get a driver's license, e.g.

They have to live with this inconvenience and every other hardship they bear.

Homosexuals who choose to act on their desires refuse to accept any limits.

Pamela wrote:
"I couldn't be happier than I am right now after reading Burt's column and the comments. Could it be that Political Correctness is on its way out? Oh, what slaves we have been to PC! I'm for freedom of speech. How about you?"

Pamela is very excited at the prospect of a world without political correctness. It is a world she dreams about, where she can use the
n-word freely and openly without having to worry about those uppity minorities freaking out. Cause Pamela is all for “free speech” and everyone knows that “free speech” allows you to use derogatory/demeaning hate speech towards minorities and because that is how Pamela maintains her superior race status in her head.

Repubs don't buy black vote
Ken wrote: "Is it not a trifle strange that a party with not one black member of the U.S. House or Senate, or even a black governor, can point fingers at others and claim they are racists?

Does this not strike anyone else as odd? "

No, Ken, it strikes us as odd that you haven't noticed that Republicans run black candidates but blacks won't vote for them. As black conservative candidates do not encourage handouts nor racism excuses for not achieving at school or work this translates into no votes from blacks (and a lot of abuse as an "Oreo") and they make the difference when whites split evenly as they did for Obama.

We also think it's strange that you missed the first black SOS and Secretary of Defence (Rice and Powell) who were named by the Bush administration.

As soon as you get blacks to vote for something more than handouts, then you'll get some Republican black representatives in the House, Senate and governorships.

baseballdoc
My ancestors were all Caucasian. That's the only reason I also am. What's to be guilty about?

One factor that divides the races lies with the cultural differences, IMO.

As to "blacks" and "whites", I've never seen anyone with white skin or black skin.

Call me "peach-colored"!

Pistol
Having read Burt's articles for several years, I assure you he never deluded himself into
believing the Obama election would, to ANY degree, eliminate racism.

Nor did I.

Burt hits home runs
Burt hit this one right out of the diversity ballpark. When does the companion piece by the same sportswriter come out on racism against white players in pro football and basketball?

A truer word was never spoken than: "Washington is not the place to settle if you can’t risk coming in contact with pork".

also: "instead of “gays” being their euphemism of choice, perhaps “cranks,” “louts” or “bigots” might be more appropriate".

and last but not least:

"The fact that, in spite of all this, homosexuals have given black churches a wide berth suggests that while gays may not always practice safe sex, they certainly practice safe demonstrations".

Three home runs, Burt!

Very gratifying
I couldn't be happier than I am right now after reading Burt's column and the comments. Could it be that Political Correctness is on its way out? Oh, what slaves we have been to PC! I'm for freedom of speech. How about you?

And all the PC arguments in the world seem pretty silly when our country's thought processes can reign supreme at a 4-way stop!

kywriter - 5X prayer is a pillar
The 5 pillars include praying 5 times a day. Somebody is really hard of hearing. But the issue is that the employer hired them - just say no and give another reason. Employers do this with other minorities all the time and I have experienced it as a minority. I am not sure why they hire people with all these religious restrictions. After the riots, France made it law not to wear a bacca when taking a picture for a govt. ID and not to have any religious symbols or teachings in schools. The govt. also had to insist that muslims send their kids to french schools instead of madras'. Apparently, this did not go well with the muslims. It's their way or the lowway and blood is poured if a nation resists their message of peace brought to you courtesy of the sword. The MN employer is lucky to get away with a fine only, maybe that is why Alzawari is warning us to 'embrace islam' or face consequences. It really is a new day in Barak's country.

Let's be logical
Al Qaeda wouldn't dare attack Black Churches. If Rev. Wright was representative of what happens sunday morning, I'd say gays were well thin logic to avoid a confrontation with the black congregation. This is another form of inequality - demonstrations should be conducted equally. As a minority with a large percentage of it being black, I feel discriminated by the gay demonstrators. In retrospect, Obama's photos looks like he just got word the supreme court will actually require him to bring ALL his birthcertificates and passports. At a minimum, the indonesian one, the kenyan one and of course the american one. Is this discriminating agains foreigners? I think it's wrong for the constitution to exclude well qualified foreigners from running for the office of POTUS. Until the courts decide to uphold the right for foreigners to run for POTUS, the current office of the president-elect will have to do.

Republican voter registration declined
because of Rush Limbaugh's campaign to defeat Hillary in the primaries. If all these "ex" Republicans had actually voted Democratic in the election, Obama's lead would have been far greater. Let's get the facts straight.

Minorities
It's easier for the Socialist-Democrats to pander to various sub-groups of society, such as homos, than to think up a plan that will benefit everyone.

Homos are a "sub-group" whose only distinction is having sex with people of their own sex. That's akin to saying that left-handers should be a sub-group. Then right-handers and ambidextrous folks would also have to be pandered to.

Soc-Dems simplistic politics demand that all the sub-groups be pandered to and mollified. Homos demand civil rights that are their's already, so they spin it to read "same-sex marriage". Actually, there is no ban on same-sex marriage. Homos are free to go to any church that will conduct a ceremony and get married.

But homos won't tell you that part. They scream that California "banned" gay marriage. It didn't. The people of California defined marriage as between a man and a woman and put in the state constitution. That's all.

There's too much screaming going on and not enough factual debate. As a result, homos and other "minorities" think they are being discriminated against and people like me resent being called names. It doesn't make for a friendly country.

Simply put
Liberals and the left wing Demoncrats be damned.
There is no place in society for these fools nor is there for the gay/ lesbian movement than the fall of all.

Fishy's "Common-sense" pt 2
Before 1970 in America the College of Science, based on Modernism using quantitative-empirical research methods, had more students than Colleges of Liberal Arts, based on Post-modernism, using qualitative research methods. After 1970 American colleges have more Liberal Arts students. To fill the void American College of Science programs are now filled with Indians, Chinese, Asians, etc. Science programs need logical concrete thinking. Liberal Arts programs require emotional intelligence over logic.

When nothing is fixed and right and wrong can change from one moment to the next 1+1 can become 3. And, Americans can leave logical reasoning to the democrats in office to take care of all of their earthly needs. And, a deep freeze in November can still be proof of global warming because “on the news it said the debate was over, all scientists I nthe world agree the earth will end in twenty years.”

The problem is, without concrete logical reasoning rooted in Modernist thought, where are the engineers and scientist? In China or Indian or Asia where their schools focus on teaching science, not feelings.

No escape from charge of racism!
I hate to be the one to point out an unpleasant reality, but the libs have already stated that ours is still a racist society no matter who we elect to whatever position. The libs have too much invested in the concept that we are all racist to allow that to be washed away so easily.

Fishy's "Common-sense" pt 1
Something I've learned, learning life's lessons.

Conservative beliefs are based on "Modernism." Liberal beliefs are based on Post-modernism. The ethics flowing out of modernism are Concrete ethics, right and wrong are fixed and knowable and right and wrong exists apart from man and are established by God. Therefore, the conservative holding a modernist world-view believes, "God is the measure of all things."

Liberalism based on post-modernism are Relativist ethics, it holds that right and wrong are relative to each man. Each man determines what is right and what is wrong. Therefore, to the liberal who holds a post-modern world-view, "man is the measure of all things."

Modernist thought with a fixed world view started modern scientific inquiry gave rise to the quantitative, empirical research method.

Post-modernist thought viewing things are relative to the man, gave rise to the qualitative research method. "Who can say a Ford is better than a Chev. Or, red heads are prettier than blondes ... it is relative to each man to determine the quality of a thing, because each man takes the measure of all things."

THE COMMON SENSE OF LOGIC
The foundation of common sense is experience. Parents used to guide their childrens experiences with love and discipline, and their children grew to learn and understand the concept of 'common sense' and how to form logical conclusions.
However, somewhere in the 60's, parents stopped guiding with discipline and forced schools to stop guiding students with discipline as well.
Children grew up experiencing only what 'felt' good, were given everything they asked for and had no understanding of 'consequences', be they positive or negative. These children, our societys adults of today are 'clueless' to the concept of common sense or thinking logically in regards to outcomes. An entire generation that doesn't think, take the time to add 2 plus 2, but merely reacts to external stimuli. An entire generation with no internal compass or realization of the need to have one.
Common sense can be 'banked' on:
'A penny saved, is a penny earned'
'Save for a rainy day'
'Penny wise, and pound foolish'
'Buy what you need, not what you want'
'Waste not, want not'
'You only have what you have'
Hope on the other hand, doesn't save or earn a penny, doesn't stop the rain, doesn't make one wise or unfoolish, doesn't buy needs or wants, doesn't prevent waste or satisfy wants and doesn't provide what one has.
It's no wonder our Country and the majority of the American people are in the mess we're in.

I'm confused
The Somali Muslims prayed five times a day -- fine. Morning prayers, evening prayers, and then three more times, fine. Were they at the food processing plant every waking moment of the day to necessitate them taking time off their work days? Or were they taking advantage of their five-prayer religion to take five breaks during a standard 8-hour day?

When I was pumping my breasts at work, I had to do it at least three times, sometimes four. It took time and focus as well as privacy, and it was difficult, requiring a commitment to my principles. Somehow, I managed to do it with just the standard two-breaks-and-lunch time allotted, even when I was working 12-hour-plus days (with an extra break in there when I worked overtime.)

Prayer, in a religion, is not supposed to be a perk. It is, rather, supposed to be a way to show your commitment to God, regardless of how difficult your situation. Your employer should not bow to your need to bow; rather, you should take that responsibility yourself. Where in this mess did these points slip past our brilliant legal and ethical minds?

Burt on target
The examples aside Burt makes excellent points. We are winessing the death of logic, reason, sanity, rational thought, morality, ethics and all of the positive things western civilization once offered. Our liberal brethren are so busy wishing the world into a utopian dream that they are forgetting what made it possible for them to dream. They have lived under the protection of western civilization, enjoyed the freedoms and privilege associated with it, reaped the rewards of opportunity and now like insolent rebellious children, destroy that which gives them life.

Liberals, it's time to put the dope pipes down and get sober. There is a reality out here and you need to learn to deal with it. It's time to face the fact that millions have died senselessly while subjugated and enslaved to leftist ideology. Why don't lefties show some real compassion for the human race and renounce the leftist death cults, embrace life, come away from the dark side. It may be my pipe dream but mine doesn't have any dope in it.

DON'T TREAD ON ME!

The pro from dover
Must you confuse Gestell with current and historical facts?

Gestell
During THAT time in history you mention, you would be right in regard to blacks and women in office, and the reaction of our founders.

Comparisons like yours could go on for days, and are hence, quite baseless.

Try wrapping your head around he way Muslim women, after reaching young adulthood, willfully don the male prescribed restrictive garb, and then take up their lower status positions in their culture.

Then again, enforcement of Muslim rules for womenfolk are rather harsh. Beatings or even death sort of weeds out resisters, doubters and apostates. With many Muslims it's "spare the rod, spoil the woman".

Compare sober people's reactions toward today's conflicting cultures, and you'll make a salient point.

Has anyone found....
...the part in the U.S. Constitution where there is a gurantee of outcomes, a right to use an employer's time for personal reasons, and freedom from the word "no"?

Neither have I.

You can bet on this one
Here's a proposition you can bet on: If any of our Founding Fathers could come back and see that we have elected a black man as president, they would be horrified, almost as much as if we had elected a woman. The Founders certainly had no intention of allowing either blacks or women to become presidential candidates, much less win. I know none of you right-wingers can find any utterance from any major figure in the American Revolution or who was involved in the creation of the United States who was open to such a possibility. Prove me wrong!

Inventing a myth
Perhaps the myth that blacks are under-represented in baseball is cover for the fact that Christians are soon to be under-represented in the White House.

Right you are Burt..
the lunacy of the left, with their double standards, race baiting, attacks against Christianity in the courts, as well as Proposition 8, which was overwhelmingly decided on by voters, defies all logic and reason.
Special treatement is awarded Muslim Somali's for their aversion to handling pork(then don't take a job at a meat plant, Da!) and five breaks a day for prayer. Christians on the other hand are attacked on every front, from prayer at a ball game to Christmas decorations in the public square. Yet the left swears this is "social justice"...at least by their definition. Then again, as with everything from our constitution to the founding principals, to the "seperation clause", their definitions defy logic and reason.

To get bias a human?
Adam to Eve, "I may be a bit biased, but you look ever so much sexier than the snake."

texaschuck you are an idiot
HERE in TEXAS where just about EVERY WEEKEND I am at little leaque games in many different cities there are PLENTY of black kids playing BASEBALL.

You and the freakin MORONS from the la times ought to go to the ballfield sometime.

They just are not as good as some of the white kids that play, you idiot.

So what now ? Do we make USSSA baseball pay for all of their tournaments,gear and travel???

There are 2 black kids on my son's team whose parents make alot more money than my husband and me. They are good players and take private pitching and catching lessons. So wonder why they are not the best players on the team? Gee do you think racism is the reason?

USA swimming decided that there are not enough blacks in swimming so they steal the dues of hard working white members to pay the dues for blacks even though some of the black swimmers are well to do. Is that fair?

USA tennis does the same thing!

Do you think that every white kid who plays a sport has money?
If so you are a MORON!!!

You stupid liberals along with the whiny blacks are setting an extremely dangerous agenda.

Maybe thats why no one wants you people around.

Cut the crap. If you don't make the team then you are not GOOD enough.

bryce
You are definitely "intellectully bereft" while "persuing these pages".

Prelutsky's logical problem
Your primary problem in being logical human being is that your LOCAL paper is the LA Times. Move out of California.
Then, find "logical" people and places to write about - they won't be Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Washington, D.C.

Burt,
there are all kinds and sources of logic. Inductive, deductive, (like back in PS 84) black, white, rainbow, homosexual, trans-sexual, pan-sexual,(what ever that is) homophobic, liberal and conservative, to name a few. Plus, there is bellicose logic, farmer's logic, sailor's logic, ingrained logic and situational administrative logic. (I am logical but my wife is emotional, Dam# it!) The rub is when for instance someone thinks their 'Green' logic is better than my conspicuous consumption logic and is willing to burn my shack down to protect the habitat of the mini-toed flusher-toad that might live under it. Or another sore point might be when tragically uninformed voters take great, if disingenuous pleasure in choosing 'a pseudo charismatic celebrity' over a 'pseudo intelligent model of probity.'
Disparate kinds of logic are kinda like points of view from the rear in a nudist camp, everybody has got one. (Well, from her pinched look, I wonder about our enamored speaker of the house.)
Also, I might add, I take great umbrage with those who confuse 'logic' with 'feelings.'
Always a pleasure Sir.


Why Government is involved in Marriage

Why did the government become involved in marriage?

Modern Marriage started in 1753 in England and Wales and it was named the Marriage Act of 1753 or Lord Hardwicke's Marriage Act and it called for the couple to be at least 21 years old and if they weren't then they needed the consent of the parent.

Before this law the couple could be as young as seven years old and get married.

They also had to get married in a church or the marriage wouldn't be legal.

The original Marriage Act was the result of the many orphans being abandoned and becoming a burden on society.

The Marriage contract made men responsible for their children relieving society from the financial burden of raising those children and placing it where it belonged.

'Collectivists' always want to take the 'Bad Decisions' and actions of individuals and place the results of those bad actions and decisions on the American Citizens in the name of 'Sacrifice For The Common Good'.

The Marriage act NEVER had anything to do with sexual preferences but rather the protection of children - which Homosexuals cannot have by definition.

Homosexuals want the rights and benefits extended to those who conceive and bear children even though they are incapable of procreation.

Society by law, decided to extend benefits to the blind.

Analogous to what Homosexuals want by 'Homosexual Marriage' is for a sighted citizen to receive the same rights as someone who is blind.

Homosexuals immediately respond by citing instances where a man and woman are married that are incapable of procreation, because of medical issues.

Present laws do NOT require a medical exam to prove the ability of a couple to procreate before marriage which of course be a violation of privacy rights.

Every American Citizen has the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as any other American Citizen.

Homosexuality always degrades any society where it is legalized.


Backward Logic
Texaschuck has it backwards. The blacks turned toward football and basketball causing the neighborhood baseball fields to suffer from lack of use.

The most disturbing aspect of the Proposition 8 (gay marriage) aftermath is the willingness by so many to overturn the vote of the PEOPLE. Today Proposition 8 tomorrow ______(fill in the blank)
The bigger issue of gay marriage is that it's a large battle in the war on Christianity. It would only be a matter of time before Christian churches are pressured from several sides to perform gay marriages.
To equate the G-M isssue with 'racism', or to the struggles of any oppressed people, is truly a lack of logic.

Thank you, Jim
As part of PC, we are being forced to abandon tradition. I will no longer be pushed and shoved by an undeserving minority to acknowledge foolishness and pretend it is seriousness. It is serious only in that it is a total affront to my religion and tradition. It is serious in the ultimate outcome; but, it is not serious in the purported need for it.

Again, I say, gay is a once lovely word that has been hijacked. Of all of the homosexuals I know, solitary or in couples, gay is not the traditional word that comes to mind. Stability is not one, either. And, I will not be rabbit-tracked into a discussion on divorce.

Retired Geek
Thank you for so prompt and well thought a response.

The word marriage will not normalize an abnormal relationship. It was first a religious sacrament. Only after that did it become a government, or civil, responsibility. What homosexuals could not do through the front door, they attempt through the back. We are on a multi-front religious war.

Garriage or Qarriage

Summers Location: LA
Reply # 17
Date: Nov 28, 2008 - 11:49 AM EST
Subject: Perfectly good word ruined
Homosexuals have caused the word gay, which had been a perfectly good word meaning happy, carefree, to be ruined.
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And what about the perfectly good word Qu*er. It is not even allowed on TH, but it is a useful word.

Now they want to screw up the use of the word marriage.

Why not something more descriptive like

Garriage or Qarriage. That would be unique, and would not confuse people with a certain bragged about birth defect, with the normal people.

Summers et al

I do not recall any civilization that did NOT fade with deviant sex and licentiousness (which go hand in hand).

Marx, Engels and Lenin were intellectuals who understood how to defeat the opposition to their 'insane' ideas.

Communist Goals for America:
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Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy.

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The Communist Intellectuals knew that those goals would degrade and destroy any society that they could NOT defeat militarily.

Homosexuality is the metastasizing of Societal mores, in full display for everyone to see.

Ken
Denial is not only not a river but a thread-bare cliche. You ignore time before the 'Nixon stategy'. Further, you isolate your history to one segment of the country while ignoring the rest. That decayed and decomposed horse can be beaten, successfully and with results, no longer.

I tolerate civil discourse. I do not tolerate civil unrest and disobedience of laws created for the safety, security, and protection of all.

I do not tolerate the neo-Nazis, the skinheads, the Aryan Brotherhood, the KKK, and other non-Christian thugs and murderers who wish to claim they have some religiosity to their lawlessness and inhumanity.

I do not believe Islam is a religion of peace.

I do not tolerate those who try to destroy my religion any more than I tolerate those who try to cherry pick what they want from my religion to try and justify wrong deeds.

I do not believe I owe anything to my fellow man unless he is worthy of help, meaning that he is doing or has done all he can to help himself.

My primary concern is for our children, the segment most ignored while used, frequently, for self-serving comments and half-measures by politicians.

I focus on today and tomorrow and the tomorrows to come. I do not refight wars long since gone.

You are a fool
Michael Location: KY
Reply # 4
Date: Nov 28, 2008 - 12:53 AM EST
Burt, is a liar when he says gays have been rioting.

The overwhelming majority of the protesters have been peaceful. Over 100,000 people have protested.

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What would you call it when you can't walk down the street and give a different opinion, without being harassed?

What about the underhelming Minority who pushed and harassed that old lady?

Over 300,000,000 have protested quietly the so-called protesters, but did not want to make a fool of themselves.


abortion is racist.

Retired Geek Location: VA
Reply # 21
Date: Nov 28, 2008 - 8:31 AM EST
Subject: Barack Obama the "Family Man
"Although black women constitute only 6% of the population, they comprise 36% of the abortion industry’s clientele.

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Yes I agree that at the moment abortion is racist.

Now how do we get the other races to match that, to hold down over-population.

Homosexuals want a 'Sexual Dystopia'

What is 'dystopia'? It is an imaginary place where people lead dehumanized and often fearful lives.

It has been sixty years since George Orwell wrote his chilling dystopian classic, 1984.

Orwell even told us, by name, the professionals who would lead us into the nightmare of 1984: "sociologists," "teachers," "bureaucrats," "journalists," "professional politicians," "scientists," "trade union organizers," "publicity experts," and "technicians." (The term "community organizer" was unknown to him.) Those who enslave were those who taught students, who created the news, who sat in the halls of government power, and who defined official "truth".

What Orwell did not for see were the Homosexuals who want a 'Sexual Totalitarian Dystopia'.

'Sexual Totalitarian Dystopia' wants and demands total control over society and tradition.

Homosexuals hide behind the lie that demands equal rights.

Homosexuals already have the same rights and protections under the US Constitution and Bill of Rights that every other American citizen enjoys.

Homosexuals want all citizens closely monitored for hate speech (anyone who states that homosexuality is deviant behavior) and punished mercilessly.

'Sexual Totalitarian Dystopia' wants to eliminate any speech that is critical of this 'Vulgar Society' and spread fear among the dissidents by attacking Churches, old women carrying crosses and everyone who stands up against them (except blacks and Muslims) because those groups might retaliate.


And vice versa

Michael Location: KY
Reply # 4
Date: Nov 28, 2008 - 12:53 AM EST
jono
I think jono wants American Muslims to start executing homosexuals.


It is rather ironic isn't it Ken?
But for this liberal it is also very reassuring. Around 2000 when Mehlman was reaching out to blacks, Bush to latinos, and the Log Cabin to gays I thought the GOP might actually be stepping into 21st century.

Well, persuing these pages and other right wing sites I see the GOP is determined to remain the 'No You Can't' party.

Is it any wonder that new voter registration for the GOP actually DECLINED since the last election.

Thankfully, with folks like Burt as its' spokesmen, the GOP has become the very unappealing Grumpy Old Party.

Summers
Obviously you are unfamiliar with Nixon's Southern Strategy, which has pretty much been carried forward to this day. Lee Atwater discussed it at great length in his later years, even apologizing for his practice of racial campaigns.

Likewise Ken Mehlman, former chairman of the RNC, appeared at the NAACP convention just three years ago and tried to begin bridging those divides.

"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," said Mehlman. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

From Reagan's welfare queens and "state's rights" speech at Arkadelphia, MS to Willie Horton to the the illegal vote caging and voter suppression efforts that have been studied and reported on at length, the GOP has a less than illustrious history of racial campaigning.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, Summers my friend.

Dear Nickel Part 2
I suggest that not only the libertarians, but all in the conservative tent should think their position through and ask yourself if your son or daughter was gay would you not want them to ultimately be able to find happiness and acceptance through what our society calls " marriage"?

(NO! Because Marriage is what Marriage is. It has been that for more than 6,000 years. Not even the Sacred Army of Theebes sought Marriage. But the Gay community of today seeks to borrow acceptance by redefining a relationship, that has long existed, in their own image. They are not after happiness, that requires no change in the name of a relationship. What they seek is to confine themselves they are right by foisting their moral proclivities on everyone else via Government fiat. The fact that they lost will not deter them in this march as they believe they are so right, they actually had the RIGHT TO WIN!)

(It is the Gays who need to do the leaving alone, not the other way around)

P.S. your line "but don't be surprised if gay men and woman don't take your actions lying down" only proves the point of this article. You prefer Fascism to Democracy as long as you "Get Your Way!"

Dear Nickel,

You said;

:eave gays alone...
The world has all types of people and the gay community is no different then

(did you mean than? You know than with an A. Then is a sequential, than is a comparative.)

any other segment of society. They are born with different desires that are largely hormonal in nature and to single them out for castigation is ridiculous.

If gay men or woman want to be accepted as married in this country it is their right to life,liberty and happiness as much as any one else.

(Excuse me but it it "Pursuit of Happiness" the ability to work toward, NOT the guaranteed accomplishment.)

The parts of our society that don't want to allow homosexual marriage have as much to their opinion and vote as anyone else but don't be surprised if gay men and woman don't take your actions lying down.

(Actions? You mean that exercising a right to vote for what we believe in will now have consequences? Isn't that exactly what people are upset with, people who exercised their REAL rights being harassed by people rioting for not receiving something they so desperately wanted? It is the voter of California who needs to be left alone, not the gay activist who's breaking the law, intimidating people, and screaming at the top of their lungs that something they've never possessed has been taken from them.)

The world is full of individuals who have different needs and desires. Our younger generation is well aware of this and is willing to move on with all of their lives.

liberalism
Most liberals lack common sense,especially the educated ones that teach.

Hello, dear Geek,
Considering your vast intellectual resources, can you recall the demise of any great civilization that was not marked by homosexuals running rampant?

Ken
As your first paragraph is not supported by history or fact, the last three of your post require no answer.

Recall why Condeleeza Rice's ancestors were registered Republicans and then go find a spot on Huff 'n Puff to try to spew. Don't try to exhaust your limited intellect here.

Liberal 'Logic' birth defect or Behavior

Liberals suffer from 'dyslexic logic' and 'myopic reason'.

I am trying to figure out if Liberals have suffered a 'birth defect' or is it 'chosen behavior?

'dyslexic logic' = all facts are seen 'mirrored' or 'reversed' becoming unintelligible.

'myopic reason' = it is so narrowed by ideology that liberals become intellectual Mr. Magoos.

"Ignorance is the mother's milk of Liberalism" Retired Geek

baseballdoc
When those holding unsupportable, illogical, foolish premises come to TH, whether it be religion, race, or sexual preference, they always resort to the word bigot early on in the exchange.

Strange irony
Am I the only one who finds it incredibly ironic that a party that has spent 40 years conducting race-baiting campaigns to vilify, marginalize and suppress the votes of minorities now claims to be somehow post-racial?

Does it not seem odd to anyone else that a party with 93.5 percent of its delegates at the GOP convention sharing the same pale skin color can rail, like Burt, against "presumed racism?"

Is it not a trifle strange that a party with not one black member of the U.S. House or Senate, or even a black governor, can point fingers at others and claim they are racists?

Does this not strike anyone else as odd?

Perfectly good word ruined
Homosexuals have caused the word gay, which had been a perfectly good word meaning happy, carefree, to be ruined. I even know people who have the word as a first name and others who have the word as their surname. Whoever first used the word to describe homosexuals should be imprisoned. Homosexuals are anything but 'gay'. Why not dysfunctional? The dysfunctionals are making nuisances of themselves in California and trying to rule the majority by a sick minority.

Homosexuals want 'Lust Rights'

The modern Liberal conscience is capable of judgment - it has judged that Homosexuality is normal and natural and those who oppose 'Homosexual Marriage' are abnormal and unnatural.

Liberals have judged that 'Deviant Behavior' should have 'Rights' and that anyone exercising their right to vote against 'Behavioral Rights' should be castigated and stripped of their right to vote.

Homosexuality is nothing more than the pursuit of 'Lust' instead of love.

Homosexuals want 'Lust Rights' for their aberrant behavior.

Homosexual defenders and participants of sexual aberration are using 'Moral Equivalency' to justify their perverse desires and lust by saying: 'Those who oppose us aren't perfect, so they do not have the right to oppose our aberrant behavior'.

Homosexuals then say: 'It is natural to be unnatural', 'Normal to be Abnormal', those who oppose us have lost their moral compass.

Homosexuals are intolerant of anyone who disagrees with their lustful behavior and attack them personally and viciously, all in the name of 'Tolerance' and 'Diversity'.

'Looking for Love in all the wrong places.'

MIdfielder
Namecalling is the provence of the intellectully bereft. If you want to dissemble my argument then present one column among the many Burt has written regarding blacks or Muslims that does not paint them in a negative.

ps...the handful of black conservatives like Rice, Steele, Keyes notwithstanding.

Logic Loses
Let me suggest that when you are tryint to sell an idea, logic will lose just about every time. Successful salesmen know that better than anyone else. I believe it was a succssuful insurance salesmen who said, "sell the sizzle and not the steak".

To Michael

Michael
Location: KY
Reply # 4
I think jono wants American Muslims to start executing homosexuals.

The author of this article, Burt, is a liar when he says gays have been rioting.

The overwhelming majority of the protesters have been peaceful. Over 100,000 people have protested.

There have only been a few incidents where people have behaved badly.

Yet Burt and the other intellectually dishonest people like him want to smear the entire gay community and gay rights movement based on a few bad apples.
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MICHAEL .... WHAT ABOUT THE VOTERS IN CALIFORNIA ''VOTING '' 3 DIFFERENT TIMES IN 9 YEARS AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE DON'T YOUR ""KIND " UNDERSTAND ?
PLUS YOU SHOULD PAY FOR YOUR OWN SEX GAMES AND WITH THAT HIV EXPENSIVE HEALTH CARE TREATMENTS WE STRAIGHTS HAVE TO PAY FOR WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS ......NEVER YOUR SINCE GAYS WITH HIV ARE TOO SICK TO WORK !


Black Latinos in baseball
What shows the dishonesty of those who claim blacks are "underrepresented" in baseball is that they usually (I've not read the specific article alluded to, but have read a number of others) don't count Blacks from Latino countries as statistically Black. In other words, they're just shilling for US Blacks. If it's a question of race, country of origin shouldn't matter. Here it's a matter of a special-interest group, the US Blacks, lobbying for special treatment with specious statistics.

Liberal=wise, pt 3
When a liberal poster on this board discusses a conservative or discusses conservatism, they will be discussing a stereotypical conservative the liberal entertainment media has presented to them to view for decades in liberal propaganda movies. In fact, liberalism will return human political and social advancement back hundreds of years to a dark age of the “rule of man.” The things that define “American exceptionalism” are the very things that the liberal dislikes most about America. The things that make America the last best hope for mankind on the earth are the things the liberal wants to bring to an end. Liberalism exists in a very narrow space that requires “groupthink” and fear and hate of conservatives to keep the true believers from ever seeing the truth about “liberalism.”


Liberal=wise, pt 2
Remember the 1951 movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still? That movie presents what has gone on to become the stereotypical liberals used in all forms of entertainment media today. The first stereotypical liberal of the movie was the character played by Michael Rennie. The second stereotypical liberal character was played by Sam Jaffe. Patricia Neal could be classified as the third liberal stereotypical character employed by liberals to portray themselves in entertainment media, which liberals control.

The character that has gone on to become the archetypical conservative, Republican character in liberal control entertainment media was played by Patricia Neal's boyfriend, Hugh Marlowe. The military generals of the movie also have become the stereotypical conservative Republican characters. The movie, Dr. Strangelove, is another example of the entertainment media’s conservative character liberals love to present as their opposites to the masses in their liberal propaganda films.

These stereotypical archetype liberal and conservative characters have been repeatedly portrayed in all forms of liberal entertainment and news media that have become deeply embedded in the minds of true believers (kool-aid drinking liberals) to replace critical thinking and reality, that the conservative believes in fear and repression and denial freedom, while the liberal believes in openness, free thought and the advancement of humankind to a higher order of existence and eternal peace of earth with all fellowman!

Liberal=wise, conserv.=narrow, pt 1
I was once an extreme liberal. In my younger days I had drank deeply from the liberal kool-aid pool of wisdom and reason. However, there was one big problem; I loved truth more than politics, too much. I, also, loved “right” more than politics, too much. I loved reality, and still do, too. In the 1980's I was a journalism student required to take several mass communication classes. Being an active liberal kool-aid drinker and watcher of politics, much to the displeasure and contrary to liberalist doctrine, I noticed many of the mass communication techniques of mass persuasion I was learning about in mass communication theories were being used by national and local liberal politicians, national liberal journalist and their media and in liberal leaning comedy sit-coms and drama shows on tv.

Over the years I've noticed that liberal political support stems more from the entertainment media with the news media re-enforcing the "liberal world-view" spread in all forms of the entertainment mediums; tv, movies, etc.

Therefore, I began questioning how and why I believed what I believed about liberals and about conservatives. Why I believed what I believed about democrats and Republicans (during this time I was still a diehard kool-aid drinking Democrat). I questioned my political epistemological system of knowledge regarding what it meant to hold conservative, Republican beliefs.

There is one movie that is analogous for explaining how I was subconsciously indoctrinated to the liberal, leftist ideology without my permission.

Burt
Another good one!

Michael How does a person in KY know what is happening in Calif? From the liberal press, maybe? Which, of course, would never report on liberals being naughty!

Tex. chuck
How did baseball stars get to be stars before manicured fields? Maybe out in the streets with broom sticks?

And to all the sour grapes here today ...PPffft!! Your jealousy is overwhelming. (and tiresome)

racism
Why are there no white players on the Harlem Globetrotters?

THE RACE CARD IS PLAYED BECAUSE IT WORKS

.....As long as Whites buy into the self-destructive nonsense that they are oppressors of "minorities" just by the fact of being white ...

.....As long as PC buzz words like racist, homophobe, bigot and hater, cow whites into accepting "white guilt" ...then logic becomes an exercise in futility ...

.....Logic dictates that Whites have led the way out of the Stone Age into the modern world and there is no need to feel shame or to apologize to those who have lagged behind ...

.....White and proud of it .....COLOSSUS

Blacks & gays
In fact, even if gays have not been picketing black churches, they do blame blacks and have resurrected the N word in California. A black homosexual who showed up at an anti-Prop 8 demo in CA was turned on and called a N. This is not the only incident.

Bryce
You're a race baiting moron, the only one stupider than you is the spaghetti bender Vito

Hey Vito
Where to you keep your Sturmabteilung Uniform/

Refatsew in CA - 2
As an educated, trained and practiced counselor and objective observer it is clear to me that the subject – Barack Hussein Obama/Barry Sotero – lacks in at least reasoning and language abilities, judgment, values and personality. His speech is halting to the point of being irritating to others. He is at best Communist, Socialist, Black Separatist, Radical Terrorist and Muslim-influenced in a predominantly capitalist, democratic republic, Christian nation. He is an underachieving over reacher and can succeed only with much support and pushing by others.
Perhaps you would want to pick another example to show your racist views.

Refatsew in CA - 1
You appear to be trying to make a case that Barack Hussein Obama/Barry Sotero is a good example that race is not related to intelligence, reasoning and language abilities, judgment, values, personality and all the rest. If so you fail as Obama/Sotero has failed.
I do not fault him, however, for his failures. As usual his failures rest with his parents, most on his mother. You named it in your list of nurturing, education and experience as important in determining one’s intelligence, reasoning and language abilities, judgment, values and personality.
Consider these things in Obama’s/Sotero’s DNA and nurturing: 1) Reportedly, including by Obama himself, born to a drunken Marxist Kenyan Muslim father who knocked up an unwed, teenage mother, then abandoned Barack Hussein Jr. and his mother to return to another wife, father many other children and die in a auto crash while drunk. 2) Raised in his “formative years” – age 6-10 – in Indonesia by an Indonesian Muslim stepfather, then shipped off to his white grandparents in Hawaii where he became a heavy user of marijuana and cocaine. Associated during this time with a Communist older friend. 3) Still in the drug scene frittered away time at Occidental College living with Muslim friends with whom he later visited Pakistan on his Indonesian passport. 4) During and after Columbia and Harvard began close friendships and working relationships with Muslim sponsors and notorious criminals. 5) After graduation worked at a below minimum-wage-level job and as a part time law lecturer and achieved nothing noteworthy of his privileged life and education. 6) Moved into the state senate continuing a less than enviable record, likewise to the U.S. Senate, then suddenly elected to the highest office in the nation by an electorate dumbed down by 40 years – a generation – of liberal domination of U.S. schools.

Subversive Somalis, Get Out!
We are now and always have been a land of immigrants that has opened its shores to the unfortunate. That we to our own possible detriment take in refugees from war torn cesspools like Somalia, does great credit to the goodness of the United States of America.

That said Somali refugees/immigrants would show their gratitude not by adjusting to our society and its norms but would instead use liberal-fascist court tactics to force us to change in order to accommodate to them, shows that they don’t deserve to be in the country.

These 100 subversive Somalis have done far more harm to the United States of America than all of their pirating cousins back home.

nickel
Marriage is a 5000 year old institution that has always been defined the same way, by every civilized society, and that is: one man and one woman. A man is designed to mate with a woman, and a woman is designed to mate with a man. Anatomically, and every other way, having to do with not only the sexual act itself, but in the raising of children, etc....

Homosexuality is a choice, and not a very healthy one at that. Many gays find their way out of the darkness, though, and are able to leave that destructive lifestyle and begin living normal, heterosexual lives. All of us have sinful tendencies - but to give in to those desires always leads to long term consequences that are negative - physically, emotionally, spritually, etc.....

You can try to make everyone around you accept something that we all know is wrong, and even if you forcibly 'succeed', it doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of people consider homosexuality to be an abnormal and unhealthy lifestyle.


:eave gays alone...
The world has all types of people and the gay community is no different then any other segment of society. They are born with different desires that are largely hormonal in nature and to single them out for castigation is ridiculous.

If gay men or woman want to be accepted as married in this country it is their right to life,liberty and happiness as much as any one else. The parts of our society that don't want to allow homosexual marriage have as much to their opinion and vote as anyone else but don't be surprised if gay men and woman don't take your actions lying down. The world is full of individuals who have different needs and desires. Our younger generation is well aware of this and is willing to move on with all of their lives.


I suggest that not only the libertarians, but all in the conservative tent should think their position through and ask yourself if your son or daughter was gay would you not want them to ultimately be able to find happiness and acceptance through what our society calls " marriage"?

Barack Obama the "Family Man
"Although black women constitute only 6% of the population, they comprise 36% of the abortion industry’s clientele.

The leading abortion providers have chosen to exploit blacks by locating 94% of their abortuaries in urban neighborhoods with high black populations.

This high rate of abortion has decimated the black family and destroyed black neighborhoods to the detriment of society at large.

1,452 African-American children are killed each day by the heinous act of abortion.

3 out of 5 pregnant African-American women will abort their child.
"...For those of you that don't know, Barack Obama became a "minister" of Planned Parenthood a long time ago.

He's so good at carrying out their racist, murderous, agenda against Afro-Americans and society at large, they gave him a 100% score on his voting record.

Planned Parenthood is following the strategy of their racist founder, Margaret Sanger, to the letter. Planed Parenthood is saying, “We have our poster boy!

Get him out in front as a lure for their women and men. Get them into our abortion clinics and dismember their children by the millions!”

You say absurd? No Way!

Planned Parenthood’s Valentine cards were sent out to hundreds of thousands of young people in the nation.

Whose face is plainly seen waving to them with a big smile?

Whose endorsement is given to this racist and calloused organization?

Who is used to lure children to give credibility to its hideous plot?

Barack Obama, that's who!..."

By Rev. Clenard H. Childress Jr.,
March 5, 2008
http://www.blackgenocide.org/obama.html

Burt
Another great article. Loved the Washington and pork connection. Perhaps we should just send all the Congressmen to GITMO to share the pork with the Detainees. LOL

Constitutional Republic vs Democracy

The framers of the US Constitution feared that the American form of government might turn into a Democracy ruled by mobs instead of by law.

The simple analogy of the difference is a lynch mob - the one being lynched has a vote but the mob has more votes.

America was founded on the rule of law to insure the individual citizen rights and protections under law.

Pure Democracy can create rights and take them away based on who is in power.

The long ardous journey towards the ideal of a Constitutional Republic is now being turned around by Democrats by adding rights to selected 'collective groups' with policies like 'Affirmative Action'.

Selected groups are given 'rights' by 'Affirmative Action' that deny 'rights' to other individual citizens - this is 'racism' in its purest form.

This 'racist' approach is deemed necessary for the 'Sacrifice for the Common Good' of society the hallmark cry of 'collectivism' and the various strains of Marxism and Barack Obama and his supporters.

Individual or Collective Rights

The individual citizen is the smallest minority in any society.

A primary element of individualism is individual responsibility for self-determination, decisions, actions, deeds and accepting responsibility for everything one does or fails to do.

An integral part of that responsibility is productivity.

The individualist realizes that little nature gives one is suited for survival and must be transformed to meet their needs and the needs of those they are responsible for i.e. family.

The individualist must be pro-active and seek to enhance skills, knowledge and implements to ensure the survival and well being of self and family.

The individualist reasons that their identity is based on individual actions and pursuits and not on a group whether that group is race, gender, sexual preference or industry.

The individualist does not seek a life apart from others but understands that others are only a part of reality whereas ‘collectivists see the group as reality’.

This important distinction allows individuals to interact with other individuals instead of the mediator of the collectivist group.

Reason and thought are individualistic by definition, as no one can think or reason for another.

Individuals can start with the ideas of other individuals and build upon those ideas or create new ideas and thought but every step is individualistic based on other individuals not on a collectivist group.

The individualist believes in a Constitutional Republic that is ruled by law and NOT in a Democracy that is mob rule.

The individualist believes that the government should be limited and its power and should be constrained on the individual citizen.

Physical Appearance vs. Brain Function
Perhaps the example of Barack Obama will help members of our species begin to come to grips with the basic facts and implications of their own biology.

Barack Obama is a biracial man, having received 50% of his DNA from his “white” American mother and 50% of his DNA from his “black” African father. Of course, Barack Obama looks more like his father than his mother because for unknown reasons the part of DNA that controls skin color, hair type, and other characteristics of physical appearance is generally more dominant in “black” DNA than in “white” DNA.

Given a “black” African father and a “white” American mother, Barack Obama’s ethnicity can best be described not as "black" but as African American.

Nurturing, education and experience as well as the brain building capability inherited from one’s parents which is stored in an individual’s DNA are all very important in determining the ultimate functional capabilities of one’s brain, such as one’s intelligence, reasoning and language abilities, judgment, values, personality and all the rest. However, the information necessary to produce various characteristics of physical appearance such as skin color, eye color, hair color, hair texture, body height, size of hands and feet, etc., which is also stored in one’s DNA shows no evidence whatsoever of being related to brain building and the development of the ultimate functional capabilities of a human brain.

Many members of our species including some who have been “educated” cling to primitive prejudices based on physical appearance which were practiced by their Stone Age ancestors who were ignorant of the basic facts and implications of their own biology. No need for current members of our species to let biological facts and logic get in the way of getting their own psychological needs met.

Homosexuality is about Lust

The modern Liberal conscience is capable of judgment - it has judged that Homosexuality is normal and natural and those who oppose 'Homosexual Marriage' are abnormal and unnatural.

Liberals have judged that 'Deviant Behavior' should have 'Rights' and that anyone exercising their right to vote against 'Behavioral Rights' should be castigated and stripped of their right to vote.

Homosexuality is nothing more than the pursuit of 'Lust' instead of love.

Homosexual defenders and participants of sexual aberration are using 'Moral Equivalency' to justify their perverse desires and lust by saying: 'Those who oppose us aren't perfect, so they do not have the right to oppose our aberrant behavior'.

Homosexuals then say: 'It is natural to be unnatural', 'Normal to be Abnormal', those who oppose us have lost their moral compass.

Homosexuals are intolerant of anyone who disagrees with their lustful behavior and attack them personally and viciously, all in the name of 'Tolerance' and 'Diversity'.

'Looking for Love in all the wrong places.'

Logic is not high on pub. ed.;'s
list of social engineering.

Logic tells us the recent election where supposedly an unprecedented turnout elected the Big Bro O is just enormous hype when in OH only 5000 more voted than in 2004, yet ACORN and Rock the Vote "registered" nearly 700,000 "new" voters.

About 6,000,000 votes were cast with the Reps. off 3.4% and Dems. up 2.4%, and yet the Big O only won by 200,000 votes, EXACTLY EQUAL TO THE NUMBER THE SEC. OF STATE OF OH SAID WERE *SUSPICIOUS*--meanng reg.'d a 100 in one house address or the 12 registered in the OH river.

If Dems. REALLY registered 700,000 *new* voters and they all voted for O, he should have won OH by nearly 26-17%. But he only won by 3+%: c. 51%-47%.

The only logical conclusion is Ohio never had nearly 1,000,000 new registered voters, which is why they don't show up in the final tallies, and the 200,000 the OH sec. of state aknowledged as dubious (fraudulent) is what elected in O, from only 18 counties (Cinncinnati, Akron, Cleveland, and Dayton, mostly) out of 88.

The proffered idea by the NYSlimes and other MSM that O took OH because Reps./cons. stayed home and didn't vote is belied by O's win with that 200,000 number that was disputed early on by the RNC, which brought a suit that went to the US Sup. Court, where in a reversal of 2000, instead of backing the integrity of real votes, the Supremes elected to side with the *every vote counts* argument, that it was better to tolerate *bad* votes as long as *real* votes weren't questioned.

Logically, such activities will lead the US down the path of banana republics and communist countries where everyone votes without deviation from the one candidate offered.

Re. Fabius Cunctator...
I have no personal knowledge of what you say about HIV/AIDS, but it seems unnatural that homosexuals continue to act so stupidly while knowing about the possible physical catastrophe?
I have been assured that sex is such a strong instinct that many will chance such outcomes, but heterosexual sailors in strange ports usually have enough sense to use condoms. I admit I came of age long before this particular disease made its appearance, but once known it seems unreasonable to offer yourself up on that altar just for the chance of companionship as you die?

Oh, good one
"But I suppose Washington is not the place to settle if you can’t risk coming in contact with pork."
Great line. Now, here's a thought. Can you imagine a Jew filing a lawsuit for being required to handle pork? They are way too smart. They'll start a company and allow the goyim to handle the bacon.
Without oil, the Middle east is just stone age thinking goat herders, despite the trumpeting of their golden age, way ahead of the curve discoveries in math, etc. Could those golden days have occured before their "prophet?"
Finally, while India struggles to enter the 21st century, the muslim extremists (where are the muslim liberals in arms?) show their disdain for hotels and guests. They're in the race for virgins, no doubt.

'm a'waiting
for the gay demostrators to picket any black church here in SC. It ain't gonna happen I know cause that is tension line they would rather not cross.
Although I thought it funny a group of them got together and conducted a silent flag waving demostration in front of the statehouse, right under the confederate flag. Funny also cause the provision on marriage between a man and a women only was written in the state constitution, along with the right to bear arms. What some won't do to get on TV

Burt, about the racism in baseball is again funny. Being a black women orginally from Chicago, I think blacks are represented in baseball,basketball and football equally as we are represented in the population, which is only 13%.
In fact we are overpresented in many venues, thanks to affirmative action. I just ignore stupid articles telling me otherwise, you don't see them crying racism over other minorities under representations.
Why? Because other minorities don't use their race to get ahead, they use determination, and hard work, and they don't need a spokeperson to brain wash them into believing that they are victims of a racist society. They just come and get the job done, period.

Burt asks
if an Obama defeat in 2012 would indicate a return to racism. Burt, you have let your own logical thought processes mislead you into thinking that the election of a black president has changed any significant number of minds about racism. It hasn't. Those who saw racism as the major factor in their lives still do. Those who say our new black president proves racism can be overcome thought so before his election. Racists, just as you note, find racism in the athletic arena, possibly the purest meritocracy left us. Texaschuck sees racism as the force behind few black coaches. He will never change his mind. People like him are still blaming whitey for the mess in Zimbabwe. It couldn't be Mugabe. He's black.

jono64a
Your post is so true.

Militant homosexuals like Michael are all cowards. They consider Christians easy targets.

Michael posts here because if he was to log on to a Muslim web site and post his pro homosexual anti Christian rants, he would find himself on the short end of a long stick.

Sorry Michael, Homosexuals have rioted, and harassed innocent people becuase they disagree with the deviancy practiced by Michael and his ilk.

School Girl Crush?
What are the signs that Chris Matthews of MSNBC’s Hardball has a school girl crush on Obama? Find out at:
http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com

Bert a little racist but very stupid.
When George Will interviewed Jimmy Rollins (Black) of the Phillies Rollins explained that the inner cities baseball fields got old and unusable over time so the black kids drifted to football and basketball.Thats why you see college baseball teams that are mostly white kids who grew up with the facilities to play.And college football is a notorious old boy network were the same white coaches just switch teams.Conservatives never want to ask why.

Burt: Exactly what I said. All it took

was four posts... and there was michael....

It's going to get crazy!

Logic counts for nothing
Look at Obama's experience and qualifications to be president. With his scanty resume, all logic says he should be the last candidate for consideration for that office. But emotion trumps logic anytime in our dumbed-down society. Obama knows how to stir the emotions of the ignorant masses, which describes most Americans nowadays, and that's all it takes to win, now. The mumbling old man the Republicans put up against him didn't have a chance, despite his superior qualifications. Logic counts for nothing in politics, nor anywhere else anymore.

Burt:Excellent! But, you're gonna get it

First of all, there isn't a liberal alive who even knows what "logic" is.... and second, they're going to go ballistic over the muslim handling pork thing.

A friend continues to remind me that the ONLY thing that "Liberal" and "Logic" have in common is that they both start with "L"

That's about it! :-)

Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving!

jono64a: Did you have a point?????????
.

No gay vandalism of mosques either
Homosexuals also haven't demonstated outside mosques, although many Islamic countries execute homosexuals.
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