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Friday, May 30, 2008
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
Bullies and Appeasers
by Burt Prelutsky
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Recently, President Bush made a few derogatory remarks about appeasers while addressing Israel’s governing body, the Knesset. Over there, his comments earned him a nice round of applause, while over here, Barack Obama took umbrage.

A spokesperson for the administration was quick to point out that, although no names were mentioned, Bush had been referring to -- and the Israelis understood him to be referring to -- America’s foremost ambassador of bad will, Jimmy Carter. After all, just a few weeks earlier, Carter had been given the cold shoulder by the Israelis when he was in the Middle East for a meet-and-greet with his chums in Hamas.

Well, I hate like the dickens to question the word of an official spokesperson, but if Bush didn’t have Obama in mind, he should have. Obama, after all, has been very candid about his intention to meet with Muslim terrorists if and when he becomes the commander-in-chief. Clearly, he thinks he can charm them as easily as he charms America’s hopelessly naïve college students.

Appeasers, I should point out, aren’t evil. After all, they want to be peacemakers. They are brimming over with good intentions. But we all know what the road to Hell is paved with, and it’s not tar or concrete.

Appeasers are terminally gullible and, at the same time, unbelievably egotistical. When quite soon after Neville Chamberlain ceded Czechoslovakia to Germany, Nazi tanks predictably rolled into Poland, Idaho’s Sen. William Borah suggested that he could have prevented that unfortunate turn of events if only he had had a chance to talk to Adolf Hitler.

People such as Obama and Joe Biden are always going on about how everyone in the world hates America because Bush invaded Iraq. What they neglect to mention is just who they have in mind. For one thing, several other nations signed on for the invasion, including Italy, Denmark, El Salvador, South Korea, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Spain, the Dominican Republic, the Philippines, the Netherlands and Japan. It’s true that Russia, China, France and Germany, stood in opposition, but that’s mainly because they all had sweetheart oil deals with Saddam Hussein, and didn’t wish to see their cheap oil supply jeopardized. However, in the past few years, there have been leadership changes in Germany and France, and unlike Francois Mitterand and Gerhard Schroder, both Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel are very friendly allies of the United States.

I’m not saying that America is universally beloved around the world. Heck, America isn’t universally beloved even in America. There are leftists here, there and everywhere, who despise our nation. They think we’re gun-happy. And, frankly, I am happy about the guns. The fact that we had them and were willing to use them, brought down Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and, God willing, will do the same to Islamic fascism.

The fact of the matter is that when Democrats absolutely gloat about all the countries that are anti-American, the ones that come immediately to my mind are such bastions of freedom and liberty as China, Syria, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Myanmar, Yemen and the Sudan. Sometimes, I would suggest, you can better judge a nation by its enemies than by its friends. But it appears that Obama, Biden and a host of other left-wingers, are kept up nights by the knowledge that Yemen doesn’t like us.

What keeps me up nights is that Barack Obama, who’s convinced he could iron out our differences with despots and Islamic butchers if he could just sit down with them and flash his pearly whites, might wind up in the Oval Office. This is a guy, after all, who not only thinks we have 57 states, but that John Kennedy brought about a successful conclusion to the Cuban missile crisis by hashing things out over a cup of tea with Nikita Khrushchev.

What appeasers fail to understand is that once you sit down as equals with those who wish to slice your throat, your head is already halfway off your neck.

If I had the opportunity to chat with Barack Obama, I’d tell him a story about me and my cousin Rodney. When I was a kid, I used to dread family get-togethers because I knew that if Rodney showed up, I would be in for an afternoon of non-stop Indian burns, noogies and being wrestled into submission. My entire miserable day would be spent saying “Uncle!” to my cousin.

One day, even though Rodney was bigger and stronger than I was, I decided that enough was enough. The moment he started in, I punched him right in the nose. Even I was shocked when it started to bleed, but I must confess I was pretty happy when the tears welled up in Rodney’s eyes and he ran off to tell his parents.

Is it just possible that Barack Obama has never had to learn how to deal with a real life bully? If that’s the case, I sure don’t want him getting on-the-job training at America’s expense.

Just as a side note, Rodney never again tried to pick on me. In fact, the next time I saw him was when his parents, as a peace offering, I suppose, invited me to join the three of them for a game of miniature golf. On that occasion, I made my cousin bleed again when I whacked him in the skull with my golf club. But I swear that was an accident, and I felt awful about it. Still, just in case Rodney had been harboring any thoughts of revenge, I’m pretty sure I knocked them clear out of his head.

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Hey Burt, glad I cayght you...
tonight. Off tomorrow for a short 80 mile trip w/travel trailer for a respite and a trip to Sam's club to stock up on some cheap groceries. Never thought a trip to the biggest city near us to buy groceries could be consider a vacation, but in light of fuel prices attitudes change!

BHO is obviously lacking in bully cousins, I had one too! You can talk and talk and still get hammered, but when you strike the first blow then the talk gets results!

I am sure the banter that follows will be entertaining. Have a great weekend and another 5 stars!


ANOTHER 5 Stars! And another hoot!

Just a few points...
"... nations signed on for the invasion, including Italy, Denmark, El Salvador, South Korea, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Spain, the Dominican Republic, the Philippines, the Netherlands and Japan."

--- Burt, I think that's TWELVE [12] countries. I bet that every time they heard our lib-idiot liberals screech that we went in alone, they were thinking something like, "Crap, what are we, chopped liver?"

"And, frankly, I am happy about the guns. The fact that we had them and were willing to use them, brought down Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and, God willing, will do the same to Islamic fascism. "

--- Excellent observation!!! Me too! But when the lib-idiots wake up and read that, are YOU gonna be in bit trouble. They're probably going to throw pies or something at you.... They are going to be really m-a-a-a-d at you!

Bozo Hussein Obama, "thinks ... John Kennedy brought about a successful conclusion to the Cuban missile crisis by hashing things out over a cup of tea with Nikita Khrushchev."

--- Unfortunately, the lib-idiots are so clueless that they really don't know that JFK actually had something to "negotiate with" such as some nasty bombs hidden in Europe, pointed right straight at the Kremlin, and had ol' Niki not had a change of heart, he and his party would have been bombed to kingdom come. (I think we can thank the liberal public schools for that one.)

Okay, so now you've done it Burt. They're gonna be coming out of the wood work.....

spelling errors due to...
typos induced by blurred vision. It is past my bedtime.

Its simple
Liberals feel they have a lot in common with these thugs and thats why they want to talk to them. They share many similar core beliefs such as the deustruction of Israel and the United States.

Mr. Burt My Friend! I Love You Man!
Hello Mr. Burt,
My name is Mahmoud Ahamadinejad and I read column, and I say to you my friend, I love you man and also I love Hussein Barry Obama.
Why? if you ask me, I tell you, he is nice looking, light skin, Black man with a finally proud wife and family, he is running for President and he wants to talk to me and my good friend Nassy Nassrallah, we're really ex cited Mr. Burt.
I tell you Mr. Burt my excitement is exciting to me only because my friend Nassy meet U.S. President Carter and my Syrian friend Assad meet Nancy Pelosi and I only meet Diane Sawyer, it is not the same, so I want to meet U.S. President and I like Barry.
Tell me Mr. Burt do you know Barry's favorite color and does he like sweaters with alligator on them like I wore when Diane Sawyer interviewed me?
Also Mr. Burt I hear he likes basketball and my third wife brittney just bought me Air Jordan's on the black market, you think we can play how you say, hoops together I have wicked jump shot, don't tell him I say.
So Mr. Burt If you vote for my man Barry I will send Jet for you to visit palace here in Teheran. We will break felafal, and attend cultural events like our Teheran 600, it's like your Indy 500 with one hundred extra Camels. Also I show you brand new 6000 centrifuges we use to microwave felafals.
Finally, Mr. Burt you seem like nice aged fellow, can I confide in you?
Do you know Miss Cleo from Psychic Friends Network, she was telling me about very bright Iranian future, filled with bright light and mushroom cloud but my calling card minutes expired and now I am in dark over issue.
Thank you Mr. Burt, seeyougoodbyefornow.

BIGbelly: In the top 3 funniest posts

all week!

Burt

Loved your negotiation 'Rodney Style', I also appreciate the wisdom of the follow-up stroke.

(Wink-wink)

Another good one Burt
I predict that Iran will have a nuclear weapon before the end of O'Vomit's first term. The U.S. will be a laughing stock and will be told to get out of the M.E. by our former allies who have now cowtowed to Iran.

The way will be paved for the 12th Imam.

Hey Ratas: How ya doin'?

I dunno, Ratas, those libs are really gonna be mad when they wake up and read this... Whoo hoo!

Vic: You'd think they'd learn...

Several good history lessons yesterday!

If you've been on any thread in the past .03 seconds, they'd best have their facts straight.


Anne
Morning Anne, they'll never learn. As the other Ann says, if they had a brain they wouldn't be Democrats.

Keep speaking softly, Mr Prelutsky,
and carrying that big golf club. I will keep reading--:D 5

Bully!
for you Burt!
TR

It's Ok to Sit and Talk
Just make sure your posse is standing behind you with their guns loaded, that's all.

You just have to let our enemies know that we're ready to talk, we're ready to make agreements, we're ready for a little give and take; and we're willing to back up those agreements with force.

The problems with appeasers is that they're willing to back up their talk with more talk. At some point, like with good ol' cousin Rodney, you have to be ready to bloody somebody's nose to let them know you're serious.

Whether we care to admit it or not, the threat of force is the only thing that keeps a lot of people honest.

Off topic sorry
Anne, Vic, Farmer's Wife,Burt others

Good Morning to all.

My vote is let Burt do our negotiating...

Hand to hand, and then with Golf clubs.

Just an excellent way to curb the trolls.

Oops...

Offer them something, i.e. A good punch in the nose.

Then deliver something : a good smite with something sturdier.

TSGT USAF, RET.
TSGT USAF, RET.

Suggest you do not post personal name, location, or email address on TH.

Reason, a few posters have had death threats, AND, it is also know that Mid-East operatives monitor this site as 'lurkers'.

The above rank, service and retired are plenty.

~~~

FTG2 USN ~ 6 years service.


Now, If only
This coulumn reminds me of that Bugs Bunny cartoon..."Would I throw a lighted match if my friend were in there?" To which Bugs does throw the match in...
5 stars.

Ratasy Ratones
Good morning

Burt seems to never learn
Israel has been following your recommended course and what has it got them: eternal war and dependent on US military and financial might to survive. Meanwhile Ron Reagan properly used talks as yet another weapon in the US arsenal to defeat the Soviet Union. Talks are signs of strength not weakness

Common Sense
Common Sense,something that I always considered liberals lacking of.They never will be able to understand the real world because of this.They can understand your words Burt but not your columns.

Good article Burt
Sometimes you just have to fight.

Donahue,
are you truly that stupid? Your remark about Israel is beyond the pale even for you. I would wish for you the same results Israel receives when they try negotiating with the Palestinians and their Hamas herders; they get smacked in the face.

Listen Up Johnny Boy....
you need a Kick-A** running mate if you are going to win this election! How about a McCain/Prelutsky ticket??!!
Burt, whatever happened to Rodney? Let's hear the "rest of the story"!!

Hal, Watashi no Tomadachi,
Hal was obviously the wimp that gave his lunch money to the school yard bully.

Amost every post he makes, affirms this.

I would like to feel sorry, for his deficiencies, but all I can feel is disgust.

Hal, please get help for your problems.

We (well many of us) DO NOT HATE you. We feel sorry for you.

Hope this helps, GET HELP. There may still be time to save you.

Please check into a VA hospital. They are nice people, and they will help you.




So, 24 posts, and only 1 odd man out!

And I wonder who that might be???

Oh yeah, it's ol halD! As usual! And he still doesn't get it.....

Oh, and halD... remember how you said that you kept posting (your drivel) here on TH so you could warn some "readers?"

Well, guess what, halD? Just this week I've read three or four posters who have said they are beginning to see the light.. and that the Conservatives really have a handle on it...

Sorry, halD! :-)

The Roman: Excellent point!

Burt or any one of a number of columnists on TH.

Talks...
"Meanwhile Ron Reagan properly used talks as yet another weapon in the US arsenal to defeat the Soviet Union. Talks are signs of strength not weakness "

Talks are only a sign of strength if you have strength.

Wimps DO NOT PORTRAY strength, they portray 'wimpiness' and failure.

(Note: See Hal, also see jimmie cahtah)


Avast there, One and All!
Click on my name and stop by my blog to read "A Tale Of The Raging Sea", a story of high seas and daring deeds and heroism from unlikely sources.

Come on by, ye landlubbers and sailors all, and read a tale of American heroism.

Heads-Up All: Anyone see what al Qaeda

had on their web site this morning??

A graphic rendition of what Washington, DC will look like AFTER al Qaeda drops a bomb!

Now, I know it's difficult for the lunatic left to think logically about this, but when someone or some entity threatens to hurt you, or in this case "KILL" you, and they've already attempted to do it before....

IT'S A GOOD THING TO TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY!!


*** halD, that's NOT being a "sissy" it's being SMART! Try it, just once, you might like "smart."

Burt
your a hoot! Another 5 stars. I wish I could meet some of the Rodney's around here. LOL

Chopper John
Yes, he REALLY is that stupid! Like all Liberal/Socialists. They go to the school of Ignorance and major in Stupidity 101.

Super article Burt!

Curtal Friar...

Curtal Friar
Location: KS

Reply # 29
Date: May 30, 2008 - 7:47 AM EST Subject: Avast there, One and All!
Click on my name and stop by my blog to read "A Tale Of The Raging Sea", a story of high seas and daring deeds and heroism from unlikely sources.

Come on by, ye landlubbers and sailors all, and read a tale of American heroism.

~~~
Excellent tale, but...
Your story would have been better had the treacherous First Mate been flying from the yardarm as they sailed into San Francisco.





Anne
Do you have a link to that site?

Truer words were never spoken
These two passages say it all:

"The fact of the matter is that when Democrats absolutely gloat about all the countries that are anti-American, the ones that come immediately to my mind are such bastions of freedom and liberty as China, Syria, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Myanmar, Yemen and the Sudan. Sometimes, I would suggest, you can better judge a nation by its enemies than by its friends."

If this rouges gallery is standing against you, you are on the side of the angels!

"What appeasers fail to understand is that once you sit down as equals with those who wish to slice your throat, your head is already halfway off your neck."

A bit graphic, but brutally honest!

Another grand slam by Burt!

to HalD, the odd man out....
If talking can fix things, why hasn't it fixed you?

Answer: You are only interested in your point of view and see no value in anyone else's,. As hard headed as you are, I think A'jad and all his ilk are about a million times worse.

Hope your health has improved. Have you now jumped on the Obama wagon since your horse can't win the race?

Stupid, Hal
"Israel has been following your advice???"

Yeah, sure Hal.

Israel meets with its enemies, cedes territory, then promptly gets a few hundred rockets hurled at it.

Then, when Israel responds with force, the anti-Semite U.N. screams to high heaven.

You really need to start getting your news from a reputable source, Hal. Your post was beyond stupid.

Ratas y Ratones
I hear you...that would indeed have been nice.

Sadly, the source material I have does not mention what happened to that b*stard. For all I know, your idea may very well have been what happened.

For one thing, I don't think the crew, or Americans at large in those days, were bound down with political correctness or the need to mollycoddle and placate criminals and enemies.

Goshawk: GOOGLE IT!

Do your OWN homework! It's a web site, for Pete's sake!


Curtal Friar

"Location: KS

Reply # 38
Date: May 30, 2008 - 8:12 AM EST Ratas y Ratones
I hear you...that would indeed have been nice.

Sadly, the source material I have does not mention what happened to that b*stard. For all I know, your idea may very well have been what happened.

For one thing, I don't think the crew, or Americans at large in those days, were bound down with political correctness or the need to mollycoddle and placate criminals and enemies."

~~~

Ah, yes! The good old days. I believe you and I would have done well back then!

Kudos!

I enjoyed watching "The Long John Silver" show on TV, back in the fifties. Loved it.

"Aye, 'and over yer gold an jewells, fer I be armed. Arrrgh."


RE: al Qaeda web site....
Go to FOX.com... FOX has it...

Reagan
Reagan had the SDI or "Star Wars" missile sheild in his backpocket. Even though it was ridiculed at home, it scared the pants off of the Russkies. The only reason Gorby was instructed to finally negotiate was because they thought we could obliterate them with zero damage to ourselves. When RR told Gorby "Nyet", it turned the USSR on it's head and led to it's dissolution. That was the moment that the Cold War was won and RR knew it. BTW JFK was not some golden warrior and did negotiate with Kruschev; he took the missiles out of Turkey. But, the inportant point is that he negotiated from a position of strength, not a position wherein terms were dictated to him. That is the only way to negotiate in your favor.

Liberals and Their Talks
I believe they must've also invented raising children with time-outs, sweet talking, and banning all spanking.

Ever try to reason with an insolent 4 year old having a tantrum? You coddle, you reason, and you talk of "naughty behavior" to them, and they look at you like you're the devil. They'll sit on their stool that you had to drag them on for 5 minutes, and when the time is up, they're right back to being little terrors.

It's the same situation with Ahamajihad. How can you enlighten a throat slasher who believes that Israel needs to be wiped off the map, that Jews are pigs, and wants us on his To Die List next?

Obama doesn't feel like meeting with Petraeus, nor go to Iraq and speak with our troops, but he's more than happy to have tea with a madman. Perhaps he just appreciates sick anti-American criminal jerks like Rezko, Ayers, Wright, oh and Flagger (sp) whom you will hear of later on today.

The main point is, you can't reason with an angry 4 year old. Either ignore them or spank them, that's a large message. Ahmanajihad needs the same.

Burt!
Very good work. 5 stars! Twice even! But please explain how these bums already want to give our country away, I'm not real sure why you think they would have a problem giving away a country like Israel, just to “keep the peace.”
P.S.
Hal, You are a disgruntled ex LtCol and know nothing about Ronnie, so sit down and have a cup of STFU. I’m buying!

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean


Doofus
I see that your trying once again to re-write history in the ME. Try to stick with some facts Drunkahue, they work well most of the time.

wobbie: Hal, I heard that you were flirting with woody the other day. Is that true? sob sob

Ratas y Ratones
DEATH THREATS? Really? Dang it I miss out on all the fun!

Well, back to the hospital with me. Pops is really gonna be mad because he thought he was coming home Sat. and when he finds he has another 8 weeks to stay for IV antibiotics treatment, Lookout!

Name and address with held by request:

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean







Ratas y Ratones
If you are still here, we would like to invite you to come over to the TH chat.

We would enjoy having you in there.


Goshawk: I apologize...

You took me off guard... "Do you have a link to that site?" is usually a liberal question..

I'm sorry. :-(

Anne
thank you deary. I was wondering why the outburst to Goshawk!!!
:-)

Oh, good morning to ya!

Other big O
Maybe Obama's idea of talking to terrorists is because he has something different to say. Like maybe he is actually a closet muslim himself (Wright's church allowed muslims to attend). What could they talk about? The POWER of the president of the United States, for instance. The guy reminds me of the anti-Christ in Revelations. How wonderful he would be and how the "masses" would love him. Scary...

Obama bullies by calling
everyone who doesn't worship him *racist.*

Name calling has been the left's forte since the 60s:b racist, sexist, chauvinist, bigot, sound familiar?

Except the left has turned into all the names it's been calling other (cons.) people.

Hillary brought out their sexism.

Obama presents a reverse and perverse racism.

Dems. are chauvinists for commy dictatorships.

Radical academics are bigots about conservatives.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

SSGT: I'm really embarrassed! :-(
.

Ratas y Ratones
"Reply # 25
...Hal was obviously the wimp that gave his lunch money to the school yard bully.

Amost every post he makes, affirms this."

No one ever got my lunch

"I would like to feel sorry, for his deficiencies, but all I can feel is disgust."

typical

Will be out for a while
doing yard work. Back later.

Ratas y Ratones
"...Talks are only a sign of strength if you have strength."

True we had it when Bush the torturer took office we had it after 9/11. The Bush Regime squandered it. I doubt anyone would evn talk to Bush except to lecture him like the Saudis just did - talk about weak.....

JFK
Something that is never brought up when JFK was facing the Russki's,there was a top Russkie military man that had defected to the U.S. and he basically told JFK what to expect from the Russkies

Hal Doofus
"No one ever got my lunch"

Yeah, you gave it to them (i.e., the school yard bully).

LMAO!

Hal
"True we had it when Bush the torturer"

Do I have the post the Hillery quotes for you again along with the video of her supporting the use of torture? Are you not a hillery supporter?

And yea I know what she has said recently. So, what does she really believe and what will she say later?

Obviously, if past examples hold true, she will support torture again if she gets political heat to do so. Talk about weak

Question that demands and answer
Just exactly when was it we were loved by everyone? Certainly not during the kumbaya days of the Clinton's. They kept bombing us and we did nothing--and got 9/11. Being liked is not all it's cracked up to be. The Un and France and Russia and Germany were complicit in the 90's in starving and denying medicine to Iraqi children. I don't like those countries--at least not that behavior. Do you?

Burt..The Avenger
Good article...you always change the tone and lift us up.By the way,was it a driver or a putter?

Burt
Good column. Unfortunately Obama is too much of a girly man to negotiate from a place of strength.

He will first sacrifice Israel then us. As to the missile shield going up, forget about it. Look to see more Eastern Europe countries fall under the KGB boot.

Primus54
"...Israel meets with its enemies, cedes territory, then promptly gets a few hundred rockets hurled at it."

Well let's see they regularly practice assinations, they invaded Lebanon twice and occupied it once for 20 years. Shall I go on and on? Make no mistake the Palistinians are no better and a pox on both their houses. But Israeli is resoponsible for the creation of Hezbohalla and now their dominant position in Lebanon

Hal
Do you really believe all that dribble you post? Really!?

If you don't think that strength works then you should know that we have not had a terrorist attack at home or abroad since 2004.

Buzz over to powerlineblog.com or IBD and you can get the stats. Also know this...the bar has been raised whether you realize it or not. If a Dem is elected and we start receiving terrorist attacks at home or abroad it will be the death knell of liberalism and appeasement.

goblue
"Reply # 59
Date: May 30, 2008 - 9:49 AM EST Subject: Question that demands and answer
Just exactly when was it we were loved by everyone? "

Right after 911 up until we invaded Iraq. It was a golden opportunity and we would still be the world's super power if we had leadership that didn't panic

"....I don't like those countries--at least not that behavior. Do you? "

It was better than the last six years

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
"Well let's see they regularly practice assinations, they invaded Lebanon twice and occupied it once for 20 years. Shall I go on and on? Make no mistake the Palistinians are no better and a pox on both their houses. But Israeli is resoponsible for the creation of Hezbohalla and now their dominant position in Lebanon"

First of all, I'm sure Hal is the only one taking part in "assinations".

Secondly, Israel is NOT responsible for creating a terrorist organization. This same old tired statement is made regarding the Bush administration.

Just ridiculous that people keep apologizing for terrorists like Hal does.....just ridiculous...

It Explains a Lot
That Hal is so afraid of terrorists that he feels he must get on his knees and do some assination....

Kind of makes sense now when people ask him about that southern pilot...

Success
Terrorist violence is down in the world according to the NYTs over 40% since 2001 excluding Iraq.

Over course this was built on stats prior to the surges success which has dropped violence in Iraq well over 50%.

Of course this must be popo'd be the MSM and other lib wackos.

Lolo1
"...If you don't think that strength works then you should know that we have not had a terrorist attack at home or abroad since 2004."

Strength does work that is how we defeated the Soviets without firing a shot. But there is all kind of stregth not just military. We have not been attacked again for two reasons. First, we are doing everything they want us to do. Al Q was Saddam's enemy. AND/OR Second, they are a relatively small group of criminal terrorists who actually pose little threat.

"...If a Dem is elected and we start receiving terrorist attacks at home or abroad it will be the death knell of liberalism and appeasement. "

Actually not true it will show we are finally a threat to them

Doofus
HIC!!! LMAO
Have you propositioned woody lately?
HIC!!! LMAO

Knight
morning!

Now, now. Don't be confussing the nutjob Doofus with any facts! His hang-over might drop south to that spineless gut of his!

SSGT
Hal can add assination to his talents...

Hank_Scorpio
"Reply # 65
Date: May 30, 2008 - 10:12 AM EST Subject: "...First of all, I'm sure Hal is the only one taking part in "assinations"."

Misspellings aside oick up the bloodly newspaper

"Secondly, Israel is NOT responsible for creating a terrorist organization. This same old tired statement is made regarding the Bush administration."

Nonsense Hezbollah was formed in reaction to Israel's first invasion and 29 year occupation. Hezbololah was the entity that defeated Israel in its latest invasion of Lebanon - no lie facts

"Just ridiculous that people keep apologizing for terrorists like Hal does.....just ridiculous... "

I don't apologise for terrorists I explain them and know them. Israel made a classic blunder

Appeasement
Let me thank every contibutor, here at TH. While many of the comments range between gaudy and flip, the humor and clear thinking is very refreshing.

Actually, it is very easy to deal with the bully-boys. Pioneer Park is two blocks from what is called "The Police." Illiterate young thugs very often strut and preen for their girlfriends or boyfriends. Not once have I been bothered, since presenting an active .45 ACP.

General Grant negotiated with General R.E. Lee and those negotiations were brief, concise and very generous (the notorious Generals Sherman and Sheridan went so far, congress repudiated their negotiations!). Likewise, General MacArthur gave Imperial Japan an honorable and mutually acceptable (profitable!)peace while aboard the stunning USS Missouri.

Funny thing, isn't it, how Peace flowers under the umbrellas of very large guns.

Duck
DOOOOOFUSSSS, incoming sniper fire! Now listen carefully Drunkahue! As your next CIQ, I am ordering you to understand that I will torture any person that poses a threat to ME!!! Or maybe I won't. Or ummmm, I'll make up my mind later!

Hank_Scorpio

"...Kind of makes sense now when people ask him about that southern pilot... "

I love the way you timid, frightened little extremists call names and make baseless acussations I just reaffirms your weakness

Oh Boy...
"Strength does work that is how we defeated the Soviets without firing a shot."

It's called MAD and Reagan bankrupted them. Kinda tough to do that to terrorists...

"they are a relatively small group of criminal terrorists who actually pose little threat"

That's because we're fighting them in THEIR yard instead of them flying planes into our buildings. And this whole "Little Threat" BS needs to stop. In one day they murdered 3000 Americans....that's a pretty big threat in my book, and it's not a coincidence that we haven't been attacked since...

I wonder if Hezbollah or AQ is signing Hal's checks...

Obama Parodies
my blog. enjoy.

See, Now...
This is what adults call "Projection"

"I love the way you timid, frightened little extremists call names and make baseless acussations I just reaffirms your weakness "

doofus writes: "Strength does work that

is how we defeated the Soviets without firing a shot."

Okay, so doofus missed this part. Try to pay attention to this, doofus. I've explained it too many times already.

WE HAD THE SHOTS (BOMBS) and the Soviets KNEW, without a shadow of a doubt that we would USE THEM!

Got it? Words without the necessary back up, are worthless ... especially when dealing with those who want to kill you!

This Use To Be My Party And...
I can cry if I want to. For 35 years I have proudly voted Republican until lately. One of the greatest foreign policy blunders in history, handing the balance of power in the middle-east to Iran and Syria, and still Republicans are somehow declaring the wisdom of their foreign policy. And most of the time, when they rationalize their perceived victory, there is some sort of reference to childhood bullying. Middle School diplomacy has made a mess of American interests overseas.
In the past, our most distinguished Republican presidents met with our enemies and at times produced stunning results. Not only is the current policy childish, it has be a complete and total failure.

Hank_Scorpio


Location: VA

Reply # 76
"...It's called MAD and Reagan bankrupted them. Kinda tough to do that to terrorists..."

LMAO do you have evn a HS education or do you just read history in comic books. You really think it was all that simple?

"...And this whole "Little Threat" BS needs to stop. In one day they murdered 3000 Americans....that's a pretty big threat in my book, and it's not a coincidence that we haven't been attacked since..."

That was a big threat and those guys won't do that again. No it is not a coincidence I guess to use a word you are familiar with it is appeasement, we are doing exactly what Al Q wants us to do

"I wonder if Hezbollah or AQ is signing Hal's checks... "

That would be Uncle Sam who signs mine

Obama and Appeasement
“I am decisively announcing to the whole world that if the world-devourers [i.e., the infidel powers] wish to stand against our religion, we will stand against their whole world and will not cease until the annihilation of all them. Either we all become free, or we will go to the greater freedom which is martyrdom. Either we shake one another’s hands in joy at the victory of Islam in the world, or all of us will turn to eternal life and martyrdom. In both cases, victory and success are ours.”
–Ayatollah Khomeini
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What wll Obamas opening remarks to Iran be "I am all Ears"

badboy
Post 77 sounds as if you are more a metally challenged boy than a bad one

Hal D
Israel has been under constant assault since its founding. As for Lebanon, need I remind you that it was a civil war that destroyed that once magnificent country?

You can lament the wrongs of the nation of Israel all day. Some I would probably agree with. But it is naive in the extreme to pretend they have been the agressors in that part of the world. Israel is a hated country that has been hated since it was founded. As such they have been forced to take certain measures that would not be necessary were they simply allowed to exist unmolested.

Hal
Your logic is so twisted and stupid I wonder if you use a monkey wrench to screw your head on.

People will inherently know the difference Hal. Going from no terrorist attacks to terrorist attacks people will connect the dots and want protection. Most Americans get fighting mad and are not cowards such as you.

And while Hank does not need me to defend him the only thing you threw at him was supposition and no facts. Try again doofus.

Obama the Left and Training
Obama should demonstrate his 'unifying' skills now!

He should invite the New Black Panther Party and the Aryan Nation for tea and crumpets to the Obama house.

Obama could speak om 'Hope' and 'Change' and then wait for the faintings and leg shivers that usually comes.

Obama could demand they come together or Michelle will not say for the first in her life she is 'proud' of them.

If none of this works, Obama could say I didn't want to get tough with you but if I have to I will say "this is not acceptable".

Obama will then say with pinky finger held high while he sips tea "You guys can now 'kissypoo' and chant 'Yes We Can'".


SSgt
Good Morning to you et al.

Isn't it just typical how hal whines about the use of torture and then supports a woman who publicly supports its use as well. Then she flip flops flip flops but hal still has no problem with her. Must be nice not to have any core values.

Its funny now with all the success we are having in reducing terrorist violence around the world including Iraq. Libs still want to run away without re guard to the end results of such actions.


NEWS FLASH Obama will bring unity
Obama is seeking an 'Appeasement' meeting between Black Separatists and the KKK.

Obama is planning on calling this meeting 'Change We Can Believe In'.

The special panel discussion will be moderated by Mentor Wright and David Duke.

We shall see...
Yesterday, Rupert Murdock, HMIC of Fox News and other media, predicted that Obama will win by a landslide in November. He said he is waiting to talk to Obama to see if he will endorse him.

If that prediction comes true, with the help of the fainting followers and the McCain bashers, we will know, in less than a year what 'talking' means. Just think, we will have a minimum of four years of 'talking'! It will make the simpering 'I will never vote for McCain' pale in comparison. I was always taught to be careful what I wished for. I take this opportunity to pass that time proven wisdom on. I am practicing saying 'I told you so' through clenched teeth.

NEWS FLASH New Obama Book
Obama has just released his newest book "The Audacity of Appeasement" with a special forward on the 'Appeasement Principle' by Jimmy Carter.

A Nationwide book signing will begin shortly with Obama, Jimmy Carter and special guest Bill Clinton.

The book signing tour will be called "Hope, Dope and Grope" and should be in your community soon.

TheConstantGardener
"Just think, we will have a minimum of four years of 'talking'! It will make the simpering 'I will never vote for McCain' pale in comparison. I was always taught to be careful what I wished for."

Amen brother.


bob
"...Israel has been under constant assault since its founding. As for Lebanon, need I remind you that it was a civil war that destroyed that once magnificent country? "

Israel invaded to take a side in that CW did it not?

"You can lament the wrongs of the nation of Israel all day. Some I would probably agree with. But it is naive in the extreme to pretend they have been the agressors in that part of the world."

Oh I have said earlier a pox on both their houses both are wrapped up in it.

" Israel is a hated country that has been hated since it was founded. As such they have been forced to take certain measures that would not be necessary were they simply allowed to exist unmolested. "

Look Israel has also made some huge blunders the lastest was its invasion of Lebanon where its military weakness was displayed. Israel is a good ally but so is the UK and when the IRA was bombing we sheltered IRA terrorists and allowed IRA fundraising. We should treat Israel no better let them settle it

NEWS FLASH Obama is Offended
Obama said those who say he should be judged by the statement:
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Dr. Martin Luther King
================================================

Obama stated that unless you are black you cannot quote Dr. King

Obama staffers say Obama is deeply offended that voters want to judge Obama by his character and that Dr. Kings statement was taken out of context and should not apply to Obama.

Lolo1
"...People will inherently know the difference Hal. "

You mean like the inherenytly knew that Saddam and Iraq were involved in 911?

"..Going from no terrorist attacks to terrorist attacks people will connect the dots and want protection."

No with a real leader that doesn't panic like Bush the torturer did, the people will realise how the past 8 years were squandered. The example is how NYC picked itself up and carried on not how the conservatives cowered in fear and felt they needed to hide behind a huge army. The people know it now. The constitution and competence trump your failed conservatism of fear and war

"Most Americans get fighting mad and are not cowards such as you."

They were and Bush sqaundered that support in Iraq while Al Q positions itself nicely in Pakistan, nuclear Pakistan

"And while Hank does not need me to defend him the only thing you threw at him was supposition and no facts. Try again doofus."

based upon many years of experience

Obama clarifies his Dr. King statement
Obama said today I do not accept certain statements by Dr. King that I should be judged by my character instead of the color of my skin.

This is not the Dr. King I marched with and listened to for 23 years and find his comments unacceptable.

Location, Location, Location
The idea that we have not had a terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11 while technically correct is also short-sighted. There have been plenty of devastating, terrorist attacks upon our best and bravest Americans in Iraq. We have paid a terrible price for our response to 9-11. Additionally, we have made enemies of people who had no animosity towards us prior to the war.
The Bush administration's foreign policy is one of continuous blunders. The idea that we continue the same policies in the future is hoping that doing the same thing would result in a different outcome. Or put in a different way, repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results is no way to run a country.

NEWS FLASH Democrats present new data
Democrats have data to support that 'water boarding' is a sexual preference for many Liberal voters.

'Water Boarding' should be taught in government schools now along with "I have two Mommies".

Don't Feed the Trolls
I know that it feels good to jump on Drunkahue, what with his spelling, grammar and reasoning deficiencies, but it is what he is looking for. It is a guilty pleasure and one that we should avoid. Perhaps if we ignore him, he will eventually just go away. Isn't that what we all want, Hal to go away? No more idiotic posts written at a fifth-grade level? I know that I won't miss his inane drivel. Please ignore the trolls, make them go elsewhere, and let us discuss the article at hand.

Burt
Thanks again! Newest Parody based on this column! (Wooly Bully) My blog!

One Correction
Francois Mitterand was never an anti-US President of France. He was the anti-US Prime Minister of Canada about 15-20 years ago. The most recent anti-US president of France was Jacques Chirac.

Otherwise this was another winner for Burt.

Retired Geek
In re: Obama's comments vis a vis Dr. King.

Please, Please, PLEASE tell me you're being satirical. PLEASE tell me that Barack Hus-Change Obama did NOT say that non-blacks can't quote MLK or imply that people SHOULD be judged by the color of their skin, not the content of their character. PLEASE tell me he's not THAT big an idiot. I honestly didn't think he could sink any lower.

Or at least tell me where you heard that so I can see it for myself.

It didn't start on 9/10

I find it appalling that most every post on TH, and even most of the newscasts and newspapers in the US, act as if the political world we live in today, was created on 9/10.

You must think back years earlier, to see what each side did and did not do that created the problem in the first place.

Even if I was able to write that history correctly, it is much to long for a TH comment.

Burt didn’t mention all those things that happened long before Rodney started to attack him. Maybe it was just Rodney’s character, but I can assure you the problem did not just start on the day of the first family get-together.

I’m not saying that the actual start of political problems can be pinned down to a specific date, but it takes no imagination to determine that problems between Islams and the rest of the world started 1700 years ago, not on 9/10.

And don’t be surprised to determine that most people in all countries concerned do not hate each other, just travel and meet them, and you will find that while Governments attack each other most people do not.

I traveled extensively in Europe during President Reagan's administration, and I could count the number of times someone did not like Reagan on one hand. I would need a calculator to count the number of people in dozens of countries who loved him. And believe me, I spent much of my time talking to the real people, in the real world, and what a difference from the people and subjects talked about in the so-called news.

Among other reasons I was talking to real people was that we traveled in a motor home and spent over 600 nights in campsites in about 30 countries, over 25 years. That’s the way to meet the real people, much difference from meeting them in the hotel elevator.

http://www.travel-tidbits.com

enough already.


So what, can't I brag a little?

I thought I would present one of many examples of what the real people of Europe thought of President Reagan. And this was not unusual, or unique in style or manner.

======

In the medieval town of Kampen, The Netherlands, we were backing into a parking place when an older gentleman saw the USA sign on the bumper of our RV. He smiled and came over to talk to us.

With a big smile on his face, the Dutch man said “America, (then pointed to us) Freiheit (freedom, pointed to himself) President (put his hand as if to shake Reagan’s hand, then pointed thumbs up) President Reagan, Moscow (here he placed his fists as if to indicate Reagan protects him from Russia)” and all the time was smiling and letting us know he likes the Americans very much. (1985)

Happy Jake:
Mitterand was the President of France from1981 to 1995. Maybe you're thinking of Pierre Trudeau of Canada.

Happy Jake:
Mitterand was the President of France from1981 to 1995. Maybe you're thinking of Pierre Trudeau of Canada.

jim
The short version:

Islam's trouble with the rest of the world started roughly the time of Muhammad's flight to Mecca to escape enemies in his birthplace of Medina. Soon after Islam was founded, Muhammad himself began a campaign of conquest and violent, by-the-sword conversions that extended Islam's politico-religious reach from India to Spain by way of Africa. The crusades would follow a couple of centuries later in a failed attempt to wrest the holiest land in Christendom (Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Damascus, Tarsus, Canaa, etc.) from its Muslim conquerers.

More recently, US war against Islamist terrorism didn't start on 9-11-2001. It started in 1979 when Ruholla Khomeini and his band of followers (which included Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) stormed the US Embassy in Teheran and started spreading "Death to America" in the region. Before that most terrorism that the US cared about was the Communist variety. The Islamists (like Khomeini, Arafat, etc) stayed in the middle east and attacked Israel, and any Muslim seen supporting them (like Anwar Sadat).

SFA
Oh, I was sure Mitterand was Canadian. My bad. You're probably right about Trudeau.

In any event it was Chirac who preceded Sarkozy. Thanks for the correction.

SFA
Actually, I was thinking about Jean Chretien of Canada, who was PM toward the end of Mitterand's terms in France.

Happy Jake
"...Soon after Islam was founded, Muhammad himself began a campaign of conquest and violent, by-the-sword conversions that extended Islam's politico-religious reach from India to Spain by way of Africa."

Are you forgeting that Islam saved much of western History and developed superb universities while we were mirde in the dark ages?

Doc in IN
Is "pops" in with MRSA? I had the 6 weeks of antibiotics at home every other day, a nurse came twice a day to change wound bandages and to drip in AB's just last summer in Houston

Hal Donahue says:
HD says: "Well let's see they regularly practice assinations"

Hamas and Hesballah regularly practice lobbing unaimed rockets at civilian women and children in Israel.

HD says" "...they invaded Lebanon twice and occupied it once for 20 years"

Israel was attacked when they became a state in 1948 by ALL of their neighbors, again in 1967, 1973 and during the infitadah. "Shall I go on and on?"

HD says" Make no mistake the Palistinians are no better and a pox on both their houses."

Equating Israeli defense as aggression is a SHAME, but then you have no shame.

HD says: "But Israeli is resoponsible for the creation of Hezbohalla and now their dominant position in Lebanon"

WRONG! Iran is responsible for both!

Get your head out of the stinky dark place!!!!

doofus writes: "You are you forgeting

that Islam saved much of western History and developed superb universities while we were mirde in the dark ages?"
(Spelling errors are halD's)

SO WHAT!?!?!?!? You're saying that we should ignore the killings, be headings, explosions, and threats to wipe us off the face of the earth because they built universities at one point?

Right! Typical halD!

Interesting how no matter what, hald will point to one thing in order to justify everything else.

Not working, doofus. Well, what is actually working is that you're making yourself more and more an ignorant fool!

audax
"...Hamas and Hesballah regularly practice lobbing unaimed rockets at civilian women and children in Israel."

Usually in retaliation for Israeli bombing and colateral damage. POX on them both

"..Israel was attacked when they became a state in 1948 by ALL of their neighbors, again in 1967, 1973 and during the infitadah. "Shall I go on and on?"

So this makes their attacks OK? Where has it gotten them or us for that matter since they need massive financial support from us to survive. A pox on both their houses

"...Equating Israeli defense as aggression is a SHAME, but then you have no shame."

Well then the rockets etc into Israel are defense too. Go over travel both sides see what you can see.

"WRONG! Iran is responsible for both!"

Iran was just taking advantage of Israel's weaknesses but Hezzbolloh was formed to defend against Israel and drive it out of Lebanon - they succeeded twice. Now the Hezzies have VETO control over Lebanon's government.

Hope your feeling better MRSA is nasty

Anne
"...SO WHAT!?!?!?!? You're saying that we should ignore the killings, be headings, explosions, and threats to wipe us off the face of the earth because they built universities at one point?"

Nope but a bit of reality check on everyone screaming Islam is all bad. It isn't


Hal
The Muslims saved nothing. The classical world wouldn't have survived to the Muslim conquests if it hadn't been for Catholic Monks protecting and transcribing Roman and Greek law, literature, and philosophy, along with the Christian scriptures. Without them the lot of it would have been destroyed by the Huns, Goths, and Vandals centuries before Muhammad was even born. The Catholic Church also ran major universities throughout the Middle Ages (before and after the crusades).

In any event, I wasn't commenting on their culture, I was noting that they have been hostile toward everyone else since Muhammad.

Proof that Hal Drunkahue is GAY
Hal Donahue Location: PA
Reply # 360
Date: May 28, 2008 - 10:09 PM EST
Woody
"You are yet another reminder of those juvenile lefty's who still chant "...it was only a B.J...."

You just don't get it."

Woody from Iowa did you ever get or give one?

Happy Jake
"...The Muslims saved nothing. The classical world wouldn't have survived to the Muslim conquests if it hadn't been for Catholic Monks protecting and transcribing Roman and Greek law, literature, and philosophy, along with the Christian scriptures."

What they transcribed generally came from the East they did save quite a bit

"Without them the lot of it would have been destroyed by the Huns, Goths, and Vandals centuries before Muhammad was even born. The Catholic Church also ran major universities throughout the Middle Ages (before and after the crusades)."

Not at first they didn't and then much material came from the east

"In any event, I wasn't commenting on their culture, I was noting that they have been hostile toward everyone else since Muhammad. "

They are charged to treat people of the "book" with special leniency. This is where they somehow they went off the track. Muhammad always thought highly of Christians and Jews. That is why when we were roasting Jews over an open fire in Europe they were prospering in Muslim lands

All inclusive
When our humble President made those remarks to the Knesset, they included Obama, although they didn't specify him directly. It included lots of people, and we know who they are without naming names.

Makes me wonder ... if the terrorists ever hit San Francisco, do you think the appeasers would change their tune?

Re-defeat communism!

Go PENS!

LMAO
"Reply # 117
Asking that question when he is condemning them makes me gay ??????? LMAO I love it LMAO

Georgetwin: It was pretty obvious by

halD's often gross remarks that he had a base and debauched side to him...

But... that comment..."Woody from Iowa did you ever get or give one?" Yikes!

HalD may have his head in
.... the wrong place, i.e. everything is \Israels fault, blah blah blah, the camel jocks are better, blah blah blah but he also has a human side...

Thanks for asking HalD, The MRSA infected my pacemaker, had to have that out, and I lost 30 pounds, kicked my a**! New pacemaker in Nov and just in last few months getting my energy back. Recuperating here in Central Europe so I hope those KGB jackboots stay away from Slovakia for a while, though the present PM here is an old commie. Hopefully the last FREEDOM government here made a lot of things irreversable and most people do NOT want to go back to the thuggery of communism.


CalVRWC
"Makes me wonder ... if the terrorists ever hit San Francisco, do you think the appeasers would change their tune?"

City folks tend not to cower. Look at NYC the people never made me prouder of them. Give the terrorists the finger dust themselves off and get back to business. It seems that conservatives living in isolated places seem the most terrified. I guess city folks are used to dealing with criminal scum

HalD
You are correct that the Saracens brought many innovative ideas to Moorish Spain, such as the concept of zero and algebra. However, these illustrations were concepts that they had gotten from India. The Saracens did make contributions in medicine, also. While the Saracens lived in a tenuous peace with some Christians and Jews, it was only because they realized the value of having others work and add to the Moorish wealth than a peace with those religions.

We have had military experience in Kosovo, where we fought to end the oppression of the ethnic Albanians who moved into the area, as well as others, engaged in rapid expansion by increased birth rates, and claimed the area for Albania. I found it curious that the Muslim states contributed nothing for this 'valiant' fight to save the ethnic Albanians. At first I found this offensive but then saw that the idea was there was no point to fight a war or pay for a war when someone else would do it.

Were the Serbs 'civilized' in their approach to the ethnic Albanian problem they faced? No. However, under NATO watch, the ethnic Albanians have been allowed to destroy ancient churches, rape and kill nuns, and kill priests, while driving the Serbs out. What is the significance of this? First, we have aided a Muslim take-over with no tolerance for any other religion. Second, the historic seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church is in Kosovo.

cont.

audax
"Reply # 122
Date: May 30, 2008 - 1:57 PM EST HalD may have his head in
.... the wrong place, i.e. everything is \Israels fault, blah blah blah, the camel jocks are better, blah blah blah but he also has a human side..."

Nope not at all. Having watched both sides up close I don't have much time for either

"...Recuperating here in Central Europe so I hope those KGB jackboots stay away from Slovakia for a while, though the present PM here is an old commie."

Best wishes for a quick and full recovery Lovely time for it lots of walking etc? I haven't checked the weather but know the UK is a bit chilly today 16 in the Midlands

"Hopefully the last FREEDOM government here made a lot of things irreversable and most people do NOT want to go back to the thuggery of communism."

I hope your right I just met a disgruntled ex DDR bank executive now a library employee - she was NOT happy LOL

HalD - cont.
While Europe sleeps it is being taken over by Islam. Africa is being taken over by Islam. Muslims have learned from their past failures, which is more than I can say for our current politicians.

While it makes no news splash, Christians are being forced to leave Jordan. Christians are being targeted for death in Lebanon. These are not two exceptions; they are indicative of what is happening all over Islamic states. While you may or may not be a devout Christian, as Christianity goes so goes your freedoms.

Isn't it Minnesota where we have a public school that is only Muslim? A public school. It doesn't fly the American flag and does not allow cameras inside. What happened to the separation of church and state that all of the secularists scream about each time a nativity scene is displayed?

Do I think Islam is a peaceful or good religion. My answer is a resounding NO. These days they don't even want Christians and Jews to make money for them.

TheConstantGardener
"...Do I think Islam is a peaceful or good religion. My answer is a resounding NO. These days they don't even want Christians and Jews to make money for them. "

Tell me why you think that is? After all these years

Doofus
had any woody lately????

Just curious!

The Doofa**
CG!!Excellent disertation on Islam.
This probably went right over the Doofa**' head.

Excellent article Burt as usual (5 Stars)

Canstant Gardener (
Western Europe, especially the states that have adopted multiculturalism, abide the Muslims. Here in Central Europe, NO DICE. The Slovaks have a CROSS on their flag! I LOVE IT! Even the old commies here love it! What ever happened to the Scandinavian countries, they all have crosses on their flags, just surprised the Muslims living there haven't made a big deal of it yet

HalD it's been in the low 30's here and my spinach has bolted. Taking a friend arriving from Houston tomorrow down to Budapest Monday to see the bust of the newest Magyar hero in Heros Square: Ronaldus Magnus, then up to Prague later in the week for a couple of days. Maybe we can catch the Valclav Klaus:Al Gore Climate Change or the New Totalitarianism Debate?

Doofus
are you drunk already. TheConstantGardner just went thru the entire thing! What a flaming moron you are.



woody!!





woody!!!

Another Appeasement Analogy
How many times have we been told by Social Workers and educated people in the Human Services sector that a woman with an abusive husband cannot appease him by being nice to him and letting him have his way so he won't beat on her anymore? Decades, that's how long and they have the statistics to prove their claims. And, a woman is in the most danger of being killed when she runs from the abuser. Those are the facts. And, imagine the alternative if she stays. Her children are irreparably harmed and likely to continue the abuse, or allow it to be perpetrated on them when they become adults. The woman endures a horrible life, living in fear, always trying to appease the abuser with endless offerings of niceties, but never being quite good enough for him. She loses her very soul by behaving in this manner. And, that's exactly what would happen to America if we become appeasers. We lose everything that is America and the very soul of America. Plus, we have the real possiblity of being blown to bits if we run from our responsibilty of dealing with serious threats to our lives. Pretending otherwise is a fools errand...and there is no shortage of fools in this current political environment.

Getting along with Michelle Obama
I think that marriage is Barack's most recent experience with bullies.

In light of that, I guess appeasement works, if we want to get screwed by our enemies. :)

audax
"...HalD it's been in the low 30's here and my spinach has bolted. Taking a friend arriving from Houston tomorrow down to Budapest Monday to see the bust of the newest Magyar hero in Heros Square: Ronaldus Magnus, then up to Prague later in the week for a couple of days. Maybe we can catch the Valclav Klaus:Al Gore Climate Change or the New Totalitarianism Debate?

LOL enjoy and have a great weekend ggod luck with the recovery

appeasers
Burt;Bush didn't mention any names but all the dems squeeled like stuck pigs. MMM wonder why? But, the republicans are standing there like a deer caught in the headlights, why? The reason on both of these whys is that the dems think they have this election in the bag and the republicans have no cojones to fight back. The conservatives are really angry because the powers that be in the republican party have tilted to the left. They've become the rockefeller republicans again. Well, the conservatives will a job ahead of them, pushing back the rinos of our party.

buck
"... The conservatives are really angry because the powers that be in the republican party have tilted to the left. They've become the rockefeller republicans again. Well, the conservatives will a job ahead of them, pushing back the rinos of our party. "

It was the RINOs party and they are taking it back from the minority that stole it

POTUS Material?
“I knew Obama during the mid-1990s. The first time I introduced myself to him he said ‘Oh, you are the gun guy.’ I responded ‘Yes, I guess so.’ He simply responded, ‘I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”’ —Professor John Lott, PhD, author of More Guns, Less Crime

Buck
That's OK, anyone who would run from a Girlyman like Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama DESERVES to be pushed around.

Hal Drunkahue slurs:
"It was the RINOs party and they are taking it back from the minority that stole it"

Then why can’t The GOP win an election without Conservatives?

Because the RINO’s are Spineless Liberal Cowards, but I repeat myself.

Michelle & Barry
I always thought Hillary had something in reserve for Barry and that was the reason she was hanging tough.

Rush Limbaugh said today on his show he was told that someone has a video of Michelle in the Trinity Pulpit ranting about 'whitey',this and that.Really eye-opening.

I do believe she has more than one reason for staying in.That may be one.


Rowly
Anytime now, something of the sort will MIRACULOUSLY appear in Shrillary Cankleton's hands.

gayle - Clarification
Are you saying that the U.S. should quit beating up on other countries that are weaker than we are? Or are you suggesting that in order to defend ourselves we appeal to a halfway house like the United Nations? I agree that invading Iraq probably had a bad influence on the kids.

Rowly: You still here???

All you have to do is go to the link...

and you can set up your own username and password....

You should have no problems now... :-)


Rowly
Listen to Anne!

Georgetwin
Isn't there something ironic when a Dem lectures a Repub on problems within the Repub party? After all, wasn't it the Dems who set up the Super Delegates because the Dem voters were too stupid to pick the right nominee?

CGardener
If you could buy Hal Drunkahue for what he is worth and sell him for what he THINKS he is worth, we could ALL retire.

lightningnotsofastdraw
I don't accept your premise that we are beating up on a weaker country.We are endeavoring to enable them to defend themselves against terrorists. And, if you remember correctly, we were attaked by the terrorists first back on 9/11.
The UN is a half-way house alright. It is half way useless, and that is giving them the benefit of the doubt.
As far as the kids being harmed in Iraq, you are right. Under Saddam Huessein, they were subject to imprisonment, torture and if they were real lucky, they got to watch mommy get raped by a bunch of thugs. Thanks for your comment. I thought I was clear about appeasement, but apprarently you missed the boat.

gayle
LMAO
"I don't accept your premise that we are beating up on a weaker country."

It is a stronger country?

"We are endeavoring to enable them to defend themselves against terrorists."

They had no terrorist problem until we invaded and allowed one to be created

" And, if you remember correctly, we were attaked by the terrorists first back on 9/11"

OH rubbish simply not true. We were first attacked in the late 1700s by terrorists. This is nothing new. But on 9/11, a full eight months into Bush the torturer's regime, we were hit very hard by terrorists. Iraq had nothing to do with it. Indeed, we allowed those responsible to excape unpunished

HalD
Okay, Bush the torturer is the insult du jour from you.

Let's take another walk down memory lane.

Remember when Quick Zipper Bill refused to take custody of Osama bin Laden?

Remember when Quick Zipper Bill bombed an empty terrorist training camp?

Remember when Quick Zipper Bill bombed a factory that could not be proven to produce anything that would help any terrorist movement?

Now you want to make the argument that Bush is responsible for Islamic terrorism coming into being and hating us? Maybe you ought to consider the Islamic terrorists were only encouraged by Quick Zipper Bill's personal behavior and idiotic actions for no other reason than to diminish his total lack of morals. Quick Zipper Bill thought nothing of lying under oath. Had the Republican Congress not saved his sorry rump, he would only need a library to display a blue dress.


Hal the disgruntled ex LtCol scribbles:
It is a stronger country?

How do you mean? Do you mean in the same way most girl scouts are stronger than you? She meant we were helping them to become a stronger country and you know it. Same way we helped Europe get out from under Hitler. No wonder you were passed over like a bottle between winos, you just wont share the wine will you?

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
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lightning_not_so_fast_draw
I don't accept your premise that we are beating up on a weaker country. We are endeavoring to enable the Iraqis to defend themselves against terrorists and enjoy their new found freedom. If you remember correctly, the US was attacked again by the terrorists back on 9/11. Apparently, they thought it would be okay to do that since we hadn't responded to several previous attacks.
The UN as a half-way house used to defend the US? Are you kidding? The UN is half-way useless, and that's giving them the benefit of the doubt.
You are right about the bad influence on the Iraqi children. Under Saddam Hussein, they were subject to imprisonment, torture and if they were lucky they could watch mommy being raped by a bunch of thugs.
Thanks for your comments. I thought I was clear on the affects of appeasement by using the abused woman as an analogy as to what happens when you don't fight back or try to run away from bullies. Apparently, you missed the boat on the meaning of my example.

gayle
Why is it everyone seems to forget that Sadam was using oil for food money to pay families of Palestinian terrorists? He openly acknowledged it.

TheConstantGardener
"Okay, Bush the torturer is the insult du jour from you. "

And will probably stay that way for quite a while

"...Now you want to make the argument that Bush is responsible for Islamic terrorism coming into being and hating us? "

No not at all my only points about the Bush Regime are that they were incompetent in execution and that they literally did everything Al Q could want us to do. The Bushies had zero to do with creating anything except Al Q in Iraq maybe...

"...Zipper Bill thought nothing of lying under oath."

We will get to see how Bush does in 09

" Had the Republican Congress not saved his sorry rump, he would only need a library to display a blue dress."

Not R Congress but yikes Larry Flint. But they hounded the man for how many years and all that got was the man had illict sex er well what is a BJ lol

The Doofa*
Hey CG! Did you know that Halbert almost had his lights punched out? When he was stationed at Sumter, SC, he made the mistake of getting into a verbal altercation with a Southern Pilot. Bad move. The pilot invited him to step out side to settle the issue. Of course Halbert, being the coward that he is, ran crying to the Base Commander. That bully was going to clean Halbert's clock. Of course Halbert will deny this.

Jihadi Hal the cowardly liar.
What proof can you supply that there were no terrorists in Iraq prior to the American invasion?
THIS PROVES THEY WERE THERE PRIOR TO THE INVASION!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp ?idArticle=6550&R=EACB39861

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You constantly make wild assertions without providing verification.

You have an obligation to furnish verification.
You failed so many times to provide authentication I though for a long time you were just too stupid to learn how to post a link until you posted links to your own blog on Huffington Post as verification.
I KNOW YOU CAN POST A LINK HAL.
Your failure to do so denotes you are lying!

Only criminals and cowards fear guns in the hands of honest men.

TheConstantGardener
"Reply # 152
Date: May 30, 2008 - 6:01 PM EST gayle
Why is it everyone seems to forget that Sadam was using oil for food money to pay families of Palestinian terrorists? He openly acknowledged it. "

Because the Palestinians are seen as freedom fighters not "terrorists" by much of the world. The Saudis still pay them. We sheltered IRA people and allowed IRA fundraising against Britian our staunchest ally

Willi Beax
"...Of course Halbert will deny this. "

Details LMAO I always had the opposite problem LOL

HalD
Unless you know something that I don't about Bush in '09, your comment completely escapes me.

Further, my other comments about Quick Zipper Bill dealt with how any and all terrorists would view the actions and/or reactions of this country.

I don't recall Larry Flynt going after Quick Zipper Bill; but, I do recall his offering a reward to anyone who could give him information about miscreant Congressional members, particularly Republican. Flynt's argument was that they were hypocrites. As far as I am concerned, they should be exposed and expelled.

I don't see how Al Q was going to pass the opportunity to get into the fray once the Shi'ites and Sunnis could get at each other's throats. They had to fear that the Sunnis would suffer from Iran getting into it.

As to torture and WMD's, what did Sadam kill the Kurds with? Kindness?

Hal the cowardly liar.
You make wild allegations in Post #156
Care to furnish verification?
Or do you prefer we consider them more of your silly fantasies?

HalD
Sticking to the issue, the 'Palestinians' were not all people who lived in the area when Israel was created. Don't you recall Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations encouraging people to go there to protest the creation of Israel and to create the appearance of more people being displaced than were displaced?

I have never considered Saudi Arabia a friend of the US, although every president wants to hum that tune. We have even tolerated their madrassas here. The Saudi 'royalty' plays all sides of any ME issue to keep from being thrown out, or worse. I, personally, would not mind seeing the 'worse' scenario. They can all go stuff it up their caliphate.

We give money to the Palestinians, for who knows what reason. Bill Gates went out on some wild hair and provided them with greenhouses to use to make money. They tore them down.

The 'Palestinians' don't want a country; they want to kill all Jews.

MO CG
Halbert writes:

"Details LMAO I always had the opposite problem LOL"(HIC)

MO! CG! What do you think Halbert meant by this response?

Hal The enemy Collaborator.
I think Willi is right about you Hal.
You don't show any Standup Guy conduct on these threads.

When are you going to show us something besides your questionable bladderskat?
LINKS!
Furnish verification for your allegations!

HalD
What about Quick Zipper Bill's mishandling of terrorists that I previously mentioned? Or, do you contend he had no part in this whatsoever?

Willi
It is hard to guess what Halbert means when he writes it down in long hand. When he goes off babbling incoherently it is impossible.

He has been caught in so many lies I thought for awhile he is trying to compete with Wobbie.
(Many here think he IS Wobbie!)

Halbert is not even entertaining any more.
He used to tell numorous variations of a lie about speaking at NRA Banquets and determining by a show of hands that NRA members mostly shirk military service.

CG MO
We all know that Halbert is full of bullsh** and hot air. He tries to baffle us with his bullsh** because he is incapable of dazzling us with brilliance. He never furnishes links because there are none.
I think he was about to be RIFFED back to his permanent rank of E-6 is why he retired. Hence the drinking.

HalD is a happy guy
You post the LMAO more than anyone I read posting here. I am so glad you are having such a good time.
For the record, I didn't mean to imply that the 9/11 attack was the first terrorist attack on the US. I made a much clearer point in my later post when I thought my first post had gotten lost.
As far as your other points, let's just agree to disagree and let it go at that. We aren't going to convince each other to change views of the situation. Actually, it surprises me that anyone wastes their time on you as I just reluctantly did. For the record, I think you were going out of you way to misunderstand my post just so you could say LMAO.
Please continue to be of such good cheer.








HalD
I don't think water-boarding is torture. I think it is a dandy way to get the attention of a terrorist thug.

I think Sen. Charles Grassley ought to be slapped for worrying about televangelists when CAIR should be investigated for what it is funding.

I don't think Muslims should be allowed to immigrate here as their core religious beliefs are antithetical to western civilized society. Look at England. Sharia law for them only? A system of law the very implimentation of which violates law? Roll them up in their prayer rugs and ship them back.


Hal the disgruntled ex LtCol scribbles:
We will get to see how Bush does in 09

Wet dream of those with BDS.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
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gayle
LMAO is the fall back position when there is no argument that can be made. No one misunderstood you. The other ploy is to change topics. You are doing something right to elicit the response.

TheConstantGardener
"...Sticking to the issue, the 'Palestinians' were not all people who lived in the area when Israel was created. Don't you recall Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations encouraging people to go there to protest the creation of Israel and to create the appearance of more people being displaced than were displaced?"

Sure I do. But my problem is I worked the
"eastern Med and I have walked the walk. Israel is part of the problem

"I have never considered Saudi Arabia a friend of the US, although every president wants to hum that tune. "

Nor should you they are "busines partners"

"We give money to the Palestinians, for who knows what reason. "

A pay off just like we pay Israel

"The 'Palestinians' don't want a country; they want to kill all Jews. "

This is wrong and part of the problem I have had Israeli soldiers cry in my arms and Palestinians do the same. All they want is a space to live.

HalD
I totally disagree that the Palestinians just want a place to live. They fire rockets into Israel and then complain that they cannot cross into Israel to work. If you call a dog to come to you while you are throwing firecrackers at it, the chances are excellent the dog won't come. An animal has that much sense.

HalD
What have the Palestinians ever done to set up their own economy? Nothing. A stinky, ferret-faced 'leader' took their money out of the country. His death was to be celebrated just as the Palestinians celebrated 9-11. Next the Palestinians looked for a leader to give them hand-outs. Are they too stupid or too lacking in innovation to do something other than make war?

Hal The enemy Collaborator.
So all soldiers cry in your arms Halbert?
My turn to "LMAO".
You sure have a lot of tall tails.

Wobbie is still way ahead of you on lies Halbert.
You need something new & different.
When will you post those links I requested Halbert?
When will you learn to post links without being asked?
When will you learn you have NO CREDIBILITY without links?

Failure to answer this question labels you an Enemy Collaborator.
If you wanted to help defeat America and cause us to loose the Iraq war just like Vietnam;
What else would you do that you are not doing right now?
As the Progressive you are RIGHT NOW, not assuming other form or hypothetical pretense.
Can you think of anything you have not done already?

halD must suffer from OCD?
Bush the torturer... Bush the torturer... Bush the torturer... Bush the torturer... Bush the torturer... Pa-lease, give us a break!

"Obsessive-compulsive disorder..."

"Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is a psychiatric anxiety disorder most commonly characterized by a subject's obsessive, distressing, intrusive thoughts and related compulsions (tasks or "rituals") which attempt to neutralize the obsessions."

This certainly does sound like halD and I don't think halD can help himself!

Hal The Communist LIAR!
If you had ever seen men break under combat Halbert you would know they do not line up to take turns crying in someone's arms.

The do things like stand by a bulkhead reading a comic book and laughing and don't even flinch when an AP round slams through that bulkhead close enough to spray his face with paint chips.
That man would not cry in anyone's arms Halbert. If you spoke to him he would not even hear you, he would just keep laughing at the comic book.

Real life is different than your fantasies Halbert!

Hal the disgruntled ex LtCol scribbles
This is wrong and part of the problem I have had Israeli soldiers cry in my arms and Palestinians do the same. All they want is a space to live.

Maybe you should apply for a job with the NYT. They hire nothing but the best BS writers. If all they want is a space to live, why do they still attack Israel when they are busy kicking the settlers out of their homes and giving the land back to them?

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
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HalD
Since you have such insight into the Palestinians just wanting 'a space to live', how would you resolve the problem.

The way I see it, if you gave them 9 acres and a mule, they would eat the mule and then sit behind a tree on the 9 acres to fire rockets at Israel. You cannot satisfy cretins who grow up with the constant drumming of killing Jews as being the most glorious thing they can do. The content of the children's shows is death to Jews. The political talk is death to Jews. Come to think of it, I would not give them a mule.

HalD
Israel returned most of the 'occupied' land that I figured they won fair and square in a war it didn't start. That was part of the appeasement of the Palestinians. Did that help? NO. The Palestinians started firing rockets from the returned land.

As I mentioned before, Bill Gates gave them greenhouses to generate employment. The Palestinians tore them down. Gates may be brilliant in at least one area; but, he fell into the severely misguided when he fancied himself as doing something for those cretins.

Each concession (appeasement) has resulted in nothing more than the same problems ad infinitum.

As to Palestinians living in refuge camps, the people in Darfur live in refuge camps. I have no sympathy for them. None.

The Palestinian leaders and people are complicit in the 'innocent' being killed. The big, brave Palestinian soldiers hide among and behind the populace. The populace support them. On the other side of the coin, the Palestinians attack Jewish settlements with no thought whatsoever to striking a military target. They only wish to cause harm and terror. They are cowards. Terrorists are cowards. The Palestinians are cowards.

TheConstantGardener
"..I don't think water-boarding is torture. I think it is a dandy way to get the attention of a terrorist thug."

The US government does as does the Hague and the UN. Trust me with waterboarding I could have you pledging to be Hil's doormate

"I think Sen. Charles Grassley ought to be slapped for worrying about televangelists when CAIR should be investigated for what it is funding."

Not me I like neither but please mix it up...

"I don't think Muslims should be allowed to immigrate here as their core religious beliefs are antithetical to western civilized society. "

They absolutely are not. Are Pat Robertson's?

"Look at England. Sharia law for them only? A system of law the very implimentation of which violates law? Roll them up in their prayer rugs and ship them back."

LMAO a proposal only

HalD
Are your responses taking so long due to copying my comments?

HalD
I don't watch or listen to Pat Robertson. So, I don't know.

I am less concerned about drugs in baseball as a topic for Congress than I am in CAIR.

Do you mean Hi Larry's roommate or doormat? I am still in favor of waterboarding and am not in favor of the Mini-Frank Churches in Congress who want their silly faces in front of cameras while they destroy our intelligence gathering.

TheConstantGardener
"...The Palestinian leaders and people are complicit in the 'innocent' being killed. The big, brave Palestinian soldiers hide among and behind the populace. The populace support them. On the other side of the coin, the Palestinians attack Jewish settlements with no thought whatsoever to striking a military target. They only wish to cause harm and terror. They are cowards. Terrorists are cowards. The Palestinians are cowards."

I agree and with mine own eyes have seem the same from Israel as well. Read above and put Israeli for Palestinian and you are correct also. A POX on both their houses

TheConstantGardener
"Reply # 180
Date: May 30, 2008 - 8:19 PM EST HalD
Are your responses taking so long due to copying my comments?"

Sorry trying to post between getting ready to go out. Sorry you do deserve better.

Perhaps next time - I must leave sorry

HalD
Off for the evening but not before a parting thought.

If the terrorists, and their families, are so enthused about being martyrs, why don't they just give it up and earn their 72 virgin camels? Why cry over 'a space to live'?

......
---A POX on both their houses----

Hal you intellectual retard, the Jews have tried to live in peace in their land for thousands of years only to be massacred, driven from their land in great numbers and oppressed for thousands of years culminating with the Holocaust. The Arabs have it better under Jewish rule than they do in their own lands.

There is nothing emotionally healthy

about anyone who would willingly spend so MUCH time in a place he/she KNOWS that he/she will get beaten up so badly.

halD much either love to "fight" and "argue", but why in an environment that he always stacked against him, and he'as always wrong.

Why would halD be so angry over things that any healthy person would know he/she could no nothing about?

There is NO QUESTION that halD is not emotionally well.

Anne
Hal is a pathetic nothing with an insane compulsion to be something.
An obese ugly alcoholic who allows himself to be used by Huffington Post just to gain notice.
His conceit combined with his insane compulsion to be noticed has already earned him the disgust of Conservatives.
While claiming to have dwellings and interests in other Nations, he constantly whines and complains about everything America does. He wants you to notice him, even if he has to earn your contempt to do it!

TheConstantGardener
RGR that! I really hated finding out that Mickey Mouse was on TV and telling the kids how to strap on and blow up!

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
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Doc
You are entirely to calm & composed today.
This will fix that!
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/arch ive/200805/POL20080522b.html

halD = stoopeed
The LEADERS do NOT want to be martyrs. If they did, their countries/groups would very quickly become leaderLESS.

Why "cry over a place to live?" They know that America has a large population of girlymen or sissyGALS who melt in sympathy that some people are willing to kill themselves in order to kill others.

Also, bullies lie all the time. I knew a school bully, CBM, who was big as a grown man (we were jr high kids). When questioned abouit beating up little kids, he claimed he just wanted to play and they picked on him by making fun of him. We were afraid of retaliation if we tattled.

One day, CB starting beating up my brother. I jumped in - and suddenly 4 other boys also joined. Acting as a team (an alliance), we 5 LITTLE boys kicked the doowompas out of CB. He ran away crying with a bleeding nose. GUESS WHAT! When the teacher and principal questioned CB, he ADMITTED he had been a bully. GUESS WHAT ELSE! He STOPPED being a bully.

Leaders of countries - and even religions - are often as senselessly aggressive as the school classroom bully, BUT their goals are vastly more inhumane. The ONLY credo they "respect" is SUPERIOR FORCE.

Class dismissed!

Hal wrote:
"Israel has been following your recommended course and what has it got them?"

Uh, how about survival as a people and a nation?

bullies
Another thing that worries me is that schools are teaching appeasement too. It used to be that everyone knew that to stop a bully you had to fight back and that bullies only pick on those whom they perceive as weak. But schools today will punish the victim as much as the bully. And in many cases, the kids not only get suspended, the police are called and they get a ticket and are commanded to appear in court.

School is all about mediation and "I feel" messages, i.e. appeasement, when all the bullies need is a sock to the nose.
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