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Monday, May 05, 2008
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
Where Have All the Moguls Gone?
by Burt Prelutsky
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For several years, I have marveled at the arrogance that Hollywood has displayed towards its customers. Or, perhaps, I should say potential customers or even ex-customers. Why, I’ve been asking myself, have they insisted on churning out one movie after another about lowlife drug addicts? The only druggie movie I can think of that made money was “The Man With the Golden Arm,” back in 1955, and that was based on a best-selling novel and starred Frank Sinatra and Kim Novak.

Lately, they’ve added a second genre that has proven equally unprofitable. I refer to war movies that present the American military in a bad light. No sooner, it seems, does “In the Valley of Elah” bomb at the box office than Hollywood rolls out “Redacted.” Even the titles they stick on these turkeys seem to have no other purpose than to keep audiences as far away as possible.

Unless these movies are simply some accountant’s madcap idea of a tax shelter, I can not imagine why they keep producing them. Perhaps red ink has become Tinsel Town’s version of the red badge of courage.

In the old days, Hollywood was run by a bunch of tough cookies who kept one eye on the starlets and one eye on the bottom line. These days, it appears as if the movies are in the hands of bozos who think there’s something tacky about making movies that actually turn a profit.

Still, there’s another group that makes these guys look like hard-headed businessmen. I refer to those people who own newspapers. The way they carry on, you’d think their names were Groucho, Chico, Harpo and Gummo.

Thanks to all the many incarnations of Hecht and MacArthur’s “Front Page,” we’ve always known that reporters were fast-talking, hard-drinking, irresponsible double-dealers who’d run over their own grannies to get a scoop. But their bosses, the lords of the fourth estate, appeared to be a collection of sober-sided capitalists who could read a profit-and-loss statement even if they were sitting in a cave during a solar eclipse.

That, however, is no longer the case. And while I have heard various theories as to why people are canceling their subscriptions, the main one being the Internet, I think there is yet another reason; namely, liberal bias.

People on the left, even those who believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, deny that liberal bias even exists. That’s because they believe everything they read in the New York Times and the Washington Post, everything they see on CNN and WSNBC, and every word uttered by Chris Matthews and Bill Maher. Once you accept that those institutions and individuals are dispensing objective truth, it stands to reason that only those at the opposite end of the political spectrum could possibly be slanting the news.

However, if you are a conservative and every time you pick up your daily newspaper, you find that everything you believe, not to mention all the things you hold dear, are being ridiculed not only on the editorial page, but throughout the entire paper, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that the day finally dawns when a lot of them are going to say, “Why am I paying for this bilge?”

The question that comes to mind is why a business, any business, would go out of its way to antagonize, depending on the city, between, say, 40 and 60% of its market. Is it possible that while my back was turned, the DNC bought up every paper in the country except for the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times?

Living in Los Angeles, as I have for the past 60-odd years, I’ve seen the L.A. Times bury one competitor after another. But ever since 2000, the paper has been slowly bleeding to death. In a desperate attempt to keep breathing, the paper has fired scores of employees and amputated entire sections. They’ve done virtually everything except try to put out a newspaper that doesn’t resemble one of James Carville’s wet dreams.

While I have no doubt that many of the 300,000 former subscribers simply decided there were cheaper, more convenient, ways to get the news, I happen to personally know that a good many left because of the paper’s relentless bashing of conservatives.

Even the letters to the editor are slanted. Rarely will they run a letter that disagrees with their editorial position. In fact, if you’re dying to see your name in the paper, all you have to do is attack George Bush or the war in Iraq. The Times will celebrate a blue moon or hell’s freezing over by publishing an op-ed piece by a conservative, but they absolutely draw the line at publishing a letter in praise of it. In fact, one could easily get the idea that Max Boot and Jonah Goldberg serve the same role as those poor saps at the amusement park who stick their heads through a hole in the wall so that the paying customers can bonk them in the noggin with baseballs.

I wouldn’t want to give you the idea that my hometown newspaper is entirely heartless when it comes to right-wingers. In fact, just recently, I had occasion to write the following letter to the editor: “First it was William F. Buckley who got a terrific, extremely respectful, front page sendoff. Today, it was Charlton Heston’s turn. Clearly, all a conservative has to do in order to get his just deserts from the L.A. Times is to die on a slow news day.”

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W. Burt Prelutsky is an accomplished, well-rounded writer and author of "The Secret of Their Success: Interviews with Legends and Luminaries."
 
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Kudos Burt!
As usual, you turn out a FANTASTIC coulumn, AND make me laugh.... the line about Carville was priceless :) THANKS!!

All this and popcorn too
"Perhaps red ink has become Tinsel Town’s version of the red badge of courage." B.Prelutsky

Yeah, and the red badge of bankruptcy,

and the red badge of "free popcorn,"

and the red badge of "we have air conditioning" in August.

Hollywood propagandists make money
Sorry. No time even to skim hundreds of comments but if someone's already mentioned this, it bears repeating anyway.

Those anti-American movies that the lefties churn out are predictably big losers in the domestic market but are money makers in foreign sales. That's right, there are many countries out there whose education about the American military etc. is from this made-in-America communist agitprop.

It used to be that the enemy had to make its own propaganda. Now Bin Laden and his ilk get it churned out and disseminated globally by the idiot lefties in Hollywood whose industry would be the first one shut down as porn in the world caliphate but who are collecting their thirty pieces of silver abroad meanwhile.

No wonder hostilities are prolonged as jihadists can use for recruiting purposes Hollywood's portrayal of the United States as evil and weak with a cretinous murderous drug-addled military.

Farmer's Wife
Glad you didn't blow away! new parody my blog.
~Julia

Well Burt, the storm has passed...
and I am still on the planet. If I have another day I can only hope to get it right or at least better than I have today!

God Bless America!

Mr M Coupe
Robert is another Liberal Coward who hides from confrontation UNLESS a keyboard is involved.

Good night all...
It's time for Mr. Coupe to pull the plug. And I'm sorry that I haven't had that stroke yet Robert. But I'm working on it for you. Have fun trying to get some sucker to fight with you.

folks
good nite and be well

Mr M Coupe
I agree,of course.I seldom reply to a couple of posters.As I said,I made the mistake of replying,thinking that is what these column are for.You will never hear either one of them admit to seeing another point of view.Just sarcasm.

Being a naive person,I never knew how the other side thought and felt.Big surprise.Some of them,just hate.There are several posters whose posts I always read.Yours is one.Some,I just skip over.

I think some come here to antagonize and all of us should ignore them. Sometimes,though,it feels good just to zap back.

Robert
"...is the complete and utter collapse of the GOP brand. "

I told you what a SANTORUM Republican said the Republican Party needs quiet time for the damage done to the country. That sums it all up

if obama
wins n.carolina it is over.


you will see a flood of superdelegates go his way in the next few weeks.

LJ7392
Which Bar in Scranton does The Drunken Liberal Coward, Hal Drunkahue, broadcast from?

Rowly
Don't take Robert's bait. He's just trying to start a fight with you.

Robert
"You might be correct Hal"

Keeping my fingers crossed...
The force is awesome and Hil has it LOL

farmers wife
tornado warnings are serious stuff.

i spent many scary times in the southeast corner of my basement.

God be with you

rowly
i grew up as an american baptist.

as far as israel, hillary has said she would obliterate iran if they moved on israel.

obama has not been as quite as forceful but says everything would be on the table including military reprisal.

the problem is not iraq it is iran.

we have bases presently in kuwait and qatar.

oops,typo
...turn our backs ON Israel....

Rowly
Have you noticed that more and more LW'ers are dumping on us at TH? I'm beginning to think the KOS has told people to come over here to pick fights. I think its time to take TH back. I think that if we ignore the LW'ers that want to pick fights we'd all be better off. If people really want to talk that's fine. But I'm getting tired of some LW'ers that add nothing to the TH experience, aren't you?

to All Tornado warnings in the area...
so I must shut down. A goodnight to all and to all a good night!

God Bless America!

Farmer's Wife
"...I have never seen where they voted not to give them what they need. Sometimes those bills in the Senate are filled with a lot of other stuff. I would like to see bills that address the subject at hand, with no one (either side) trying to sneak things in that have no relationship to the most important thing in the bill."


That is Webb's bill but the R's oppose it because it is too expensive and because all our military will leave to be educated. Sound like good reasonsto you?

religiouslib
If you are,indeed a liberal,what is fine for you,may not be fine to me and others who are not of that persuasion.

I realize we are a great country,but only as great as the people who run it.That will be our problem.In a couple of years when the government REALLY ,totally owns us,we'll see how great she is.

Being a Southern Baptist,I believe God will bless us until we turn our backs Israel.If either of the Democrats is elected and they pull our troops from the ME,as both have promised, and Israel is overcome by its neighbors,we may see if God still blesses us.

HalD, my Texas Senators...
(Cornyn and Hutchinson and Congressman Thornberry from my district) do support the troops! I have never seen where they voted not to give them what they need. Sometimes those bills in the Senate are filled with a lot of other stuff. I would like to see bills that address the subject at hand, with no one (either side) trying to sneak things in that have no relationship to the most important thing in the bill. That is how we get those little surprises that sometimes are shockers!

rowly
like you and the constitution i am fully aware we are a republic.

although i would maintain that we are now a representative republic which overlaps into a representative democracy.

Rowly, welcome and I can feel
your pain. Your strategy of scrolling past is probably the best thing you can do for your sanity. Unfortunately for me I have been suckered more than once believing that my sincerity would be of some consequence. Usually it is not.

Lumberjack, good evening!

Farmer's Wife
"..a very commendable cause, one that is close to my heart. I have a nephew serving in Afghanistan at the moment."

Bless him; my nephew just returned from his second tour in Iraq and 4,000 PA National Guard troops are on the way BACK over to the ME yet again.

"Vets are close to most if not all conservative hearts. Those wounded in war for our sakes deserve only the highest respect and honor!

Maybe if you were a little less biased you might know that politicians both left and right do not best reflect their constituencies accurately. "

LOL oh I agree a local congressman and friend sees lots of places where he and I disagree all the time BUT I know he means well and does the best he can. BUT there are times like the Webb GI Bill when it is very clear that Republicans and conservatives simply do not support the troops

Lumberjack7392
"...and I expect you have a bridge in Brooklyn you'd like to sell me. "

Nah you would buy a bridge to London LOL just too easy by far

farmers wife

the cemetery huh. lol

that was too scary for me.

i really relate to you and the farmers relationship.

i am in a very similiar one with my wife.

best friends and romantic lovers after all these years.

it sometimes is sad when i hear other people bad-mouthing marriage, expecially their own, when i have found it to be bliss other than the odd disagreement.

so it is refreshing to hear the same sentiment from another person.

i was raised american baptist, although now attend a united methodist church.

i am familiar with the difference between the
Church of Christ and the church of Christ.


Hal Donahue
I did not invite your comment,nor do I appreciate it.You are an egotistical idiot who thinks he is smarter than most of us. WRONG!!!

I tried to have a serious debate with you once.Fool me once,shame on you.Fool me twice shame on me.Now,I prefer you skip over my posts,as I do not need your brand of sarcasm.

I am fairly new at posting,maybe a couple of months.You must really have a big a$$,as you have been laughing it off as long as I have been posting.There are some more letters in the alphabet.Did you know that?

HalD, helping Vets is...
a very commendable cause, one that is close to my heart. I have a nephew serving in Afghanistan at the moment.

Vets are close to most if not all conservative hearts. Those wounded in war for our sakes deserve only the highest respect and honor!

Maybe if you were a little less biased you might know that politicians both left and right do not best reflect their constituencies accurately.


rowly
i sincerely didn't mean to be patronizing,
we have interacted enough for me to know you are familiar with the constitution.

i was trying to reinforce my thought to its logical conclusion.

i also sincerely believe you are over reacting.


we are the greatest country in the history of the world.
we are blessed by God.

and you are hearing that from a liberal.


no matter who gets elected, America will be fine.




Hal Doofus writes:
Farmer's Wife/Husker2
"Hal has a call in talk radio show. He says he is from Scranton PA, so I suppose it is a local show. "

Very local and very NOT political just trying to help vets

and I expect you have a bridge in Brooklyn you'd like to sell me.

Farmer's Wife/Husker2
"Hal has a call in talk radio show. He says he is from Scranton PA, so I suppose it is a local show. "

Very local and very NOT political just trying to help vets

Farmer's Wife writes:
Husker2, I think
Hal has a call in talk radio show. He says he is from Scranton PA, so I suppose it is a local show.

Yeah, it's called "The Loony Left Laughathon."

Husker2
"Oh you sheeple I forget you don't want to be seen or take risk. Ahh well too bad I am of for my walk before the radio show but hey maybe if you are good next time I will give you my call in number LOL"

Happy to for you.

"Oh you sheeple I forget you don't want to be seen or take risk."

You hide behind phony names seldom show up where you are visible and more often slink around hiding in fear. This assumes of course that you are the typical TH extremist poster

"Ahh well too bad I am of for my walk before the radio show "

I try and walk/jog 3.5 miles every day

"but hey maybe if you are good next time I will give you my call in number LOL"

Hated to leave but if the people here were "nice" I would post my Monday night radio show's call in number

Is that ok? Do you understand now?





Husker2, I think
Hal has a call in talk radio show. He says he is from Scranton PA, so I suppose it is a local show.

Rowly
"...What Joe McCarthy tried to tell everyone until he was driven to drink and blacklisted by the commies,..."

WOW LMAO he was nasty and didn't he fake his military history?

"...We always heard that this country would be destroyed from within.The liberals with their slouching to the left,are doing their part."

LMAO that referred to the Soviet Union. Remember them? Us liberals defeated them


religiouslib, truth be told...
I am the only person that I am totally in tune with, except for my farmer that is!

religiuoslib
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I welcome it.


In the sixties when you were in school,your professor may have been correct about democracy withstanding another political theory.

We are not a democracy and in the sixties we were not as divided as we are now.Whatever you want to call those I named;Marxists,socialists,communists or just plain anti-American,they have a hatred of our way of life and admire dictators.

Thank you for the education about the constitution.Believe it or not,I already knew it,though.If you think this country can survive the results of this coming election and we can still be a free country,you are one of the few who do.

What does Hal mean?
Can someone decipher this?

"Oh you sheeple I forget you don't want to be seen or take risk. Ahh well too bad I am of for my walk before the radio show but hey maybe if you are good next time I will give you my call in number LOL"

Rowly
Isn't it interesting that even though Hollywood tries to run immoral, anti-American movies down our throat, that those movies fail miserably. Over and over R rated movies bomb and G rated movies flourish. I guess Hollywood just loves to lose money.

religiouslib... it is good
to know there are still people out there who have a soft place in their heart for "weuns" farmer types that is.

May background is rural and I am sure that my perspective differs from the city dweller. I could never live in a large city again. Tried it twice in the Dallas area.

The farmer and I used to park out back of the local cemetery! We are still sweethearts after 40+ years of marriage and best friends to boot! The only person he would have feared would have been my "Daddy"!

Some folks just have farming in the blood I guess because most of the time we don't do it for the money!

By your handle I know that you are religious? I was raised Southern Baptist but am now church of Christ (not the BHO kind).

farmers wife
i visit your blog intermittently and found this statement which not only made me laugh but which i related to immediately.

"I seem to be a reasonable person, and I agree with myself more often than not. "


Robert
Hil takes them - NC a reach but the trend is hard for her

farmers wife
of course,

i grew up in the mid-west in the middle of corn fields.

i have a warm place in my heart for those who live on the land.

in fact, i used to go parking with my girlfriends in corn fields in my high school years, until one night the police drove down 2 miles of tractor trails to catch me.

i greeted them naked with a tire iron.

i didn't know who was coming until it was too late.

took the fun out of "hayrides" after that.

rowly
when i was in jr. high school in the late 60's i remember asking my social studies teacher why we just didn't ban commnunism from the united states.

his answer was that democracy could withstand any other political theory because it was demonstrably
superior.

i still believe that.

if those you mentioned are actually communists, (which i do not believe),

but lets assume for the sake of argument that they are,

they are not our enemies, they are the result of democratic principles which will always prove superior in the end.

freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy

that is why it is the first amendment in the bill of rights.

religiouslib, laughter...
is good medicine and believe it or not I could see the gleam in your eye by reading your post! Maybe we could talk again sometime?

farmers wife
as my favorite tv character monk says

you make me lol and laugh out loud.



sorry, i could not resist.

like you i have a dry wit that sometimes goes unnoticed because printed words lack the non-verbal hints.

it is always a pleasure to interact with you.


The Hollywood Bombs & Bums
What Joe McCarthy tried to tell everyone until he was driven to drink and blacklisted by the commies,is that there are communists in the emtertainment industry and they are not under the beds.

They have quadrupled many times over since Jos's time.They do not mind breaking even on their anti-American junk they put out.They are patient,too.Even if they lose money,they will make a few converts out of the stupid,and that is all that matters.They'll get more next time.

There are few movies with a moral theme.The filthy language would make a sailor blush.(well,maybe not you know who).We always heard that this country would be destroyed from within.The liberals with their slouching to the left,are doing their part.

Leftists such as Sean Penn,Michael Moore,Oliver Stone,etc.,are aiding and abetting the enemy.They are our enemies.We should not play any part in helping them do their dirty work.


AudiR10 - Poor audience prep
--
Says AudiR10:

"...the girl handing out posters at the Car Show for Speed Racer quickly found that the so called Target Audience doesnt know Speed Racer from Mario Andretti; it was the over-40s snatching up the posters and clustering around the screen to see the trailer."


I've got my last crop of grandchildren (including one boy, aged 7) more or less constantly under the watchful eye of my wife, and not one of the three recognize *Speed Racer* because the toned-down translated animated show has been off the air since my two sons - who are now in the "over-40s" category - were boys.

The production company responsible for that movie's theatrical release this year *should* have been getting the old anime episodes onto one or another of the cable networks for the past couple of years in order to prime their juvenile audience (efficiently and probably profitably).

Failing that, they should have pushed releases of DVD collections or even streaming video online.

If a guy who peers down throats and writes prescriptions for a living can make that kind of observation, just what the hell is it about the movie industry's marketing specialists that justifies their being paid in something more than dog kibble?

Not only "Liberal" but stupid.


Hm. I didn't used to think that one automatically implied the other, but I'm getting there....

--

religiouslib must you...
rub it in! Me thinks you do have a sense of humor!

its all about markets
speaking of marketing

here is john mccains new spanish only website.

enjoy

http://www.johnmccain.com/espanol/

Where Have All the Moguls Gone?
Oh, I don't think it's to hard to figure out. Hollywood has been captured by those that hate anything good, pro American and even God himself.
Most of the have an agenda to tear down this nation. So, if they break even on the garbage they produce, they've helped to tear down the fabric of our society.

ReCon-USMC: I suspect you're fairly new

on TH... if so, WELCOME! It's always good to have a new committed Conservative join the "battle."

You might have noticed that sophie has been "banned" and her vile, reprehensible, vulgar posts have been removed. So, she's now posting under... "Jesus loves me more than you!"

It will only be a matter of time before that moniker is also banned. (We think she's going for some "banned" record!)



And yes, you are absolutely right... halD is a Marxist... and Robert (aka Roberto, aka wobbie, aka Chuckles) is just a nut case! Certifiable! No other possible explanation!!!)

The interesting thing is that TH is simply a microcosm of what's happening in our country today.


Welcome aboard! :-)






ReCon-USMC:

You can contact me on my "throw away" gmail account... lanne00@gmail.com


Next post, back to TH business!!!! :-)


Jesus loves me more than you! writes:

Re-con USMC
Did you see that McCain let slip recently that we did go to war in Iraq for oil?

That is in fact an imperialistic action.

Sorry.
___
Your Sad my dear .
Must I help save you on every issue of common sense, economics' and simple reason ?
The Liberals in Congress are ""DEMANDING
to Quote SEN. "CHARLES SHUMMER OF NY. SAUDI A. MUST SELL US MORE OIL ARE WE ARE GOING TO CUT OFF ALL PRODUCTS THEY NEED . That's called BLACK MAIL SINCE WE WON'T DRILL FOR OUR OWN BILLIONS OF BARELLS OF OIL UNDER OUR FEET BECAUSE OF AL GORE TREE HUGERS ..GIVE AMERCIA A BRAKE .
One of the reasons the price of Oil is up is because of a shrinking dollar of 30 % in the last 18 months because of Liberals demanding loans for poor folks that FAILEDands could not afford moratages to start with and more welfare ...that was a Nancy Polosi and Lioberals moronic idea Bush went alone with too please the her and the left sadly !
They had threatned to regulate banks with more insane reglations as usual so Bush caved in again to the left .

Jesus loves me more than you! writes:
Jesus loves me more than you! writes: Monday, May, 05, 2008 6:04 PM
Re-con USMC
Did you see that McCain let slip recently that we did go to war in Iraq for oil?

That is in fact an imperialistic action.

Sorry.

America is a great country....that doesn't mean our foreign policy (or domestic for that matter) is always right or just...

Of COURSE ALL LIBERALS HAVE A ANSWER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS ..PACISTISM AND BENDING OVER AND TOUCHING OUR ANKLES FOR OUR ENEMIES .SEE THE UN HANDLING OF IRAN , N.KOREA ON NUKES OR Moslem MURDER .. 11 YEARS of GEN--O--SIDE ansd RAPE IN DAFUR and The Congo . THE UN CAN'T USE THAT WORD GEN-O-SIDE AFTER 11 YEARS ?
ON AMERICAN'S PROBLEMS ? SOCIALIST LIBERALS ALWAYS HAVE A ANSWER ......TAX ..TAX ..TAX AND MORE GOVT SOCIAL WELFARE PROGRAMS ....SEE H0W THAT WORKED FOR RUSSIA AND CHINA UNTIL THAT ''CHANGED " .
McNut is the less of the 3 Evils Madam .

Anne writes .

ReCon-USMC: I don't know who you are...

BUT... I would be very proud to own one of your sofas, etc.

In fact, I will be shopping for new living room furniture in about 2mos. and I WILL be looking for your initials... "S first name, last name M"!!!

And when I find the sofa and love seat and chairs, I WILL proudly be telling YOUR STORY!

Whatever good things you have in life, you earned them. God bless you!

Thank you kindly Anne for your more than kind thoughts..That humbled me.
No matter how bad Socialist Liberals say America is : You and I know better .
God's speed my Dear .
Tell me what Town you are in and I'll tell you possibly a store near you .


Hal is a MARXIST & Room Temp IQ .

Notice how Hal Drunkahue IGNORES it when I refute his LIES! What a TEXTBOOK Example of Liberal Cowardice he and OTHERS OF HIS ILK are.
________

Sir , Hal is a obvious mental case but he really sounds like Nancy Polosi in drag with less power or on his Mom's milk gland on her computer waiting for his Food stamps or Dads weekly check . He has no answers because there are none .... like when Oboma was ask about high taxes always destroy the GDP and economy .He acted and spoke like a kid that ask his Dad why is the Sky Blue ? I told my son lets go Bass fishing in our Pond . Then later I told the sky is blue like your Moms eyes . He loved them both even thought his 2 tours in Iraq as a Marine just like his Dad did in Nam . He understands why the sky is Blue especially now .
First off Liberalism is not based on facts , clarity common sense , reality or economics' .
It is based on emotion , feeling ,there is no right or wrong , white guilt or not having to work for their pay checks . Elite--ism at its blinded worse self !!! it is based on life long Nanny-ism
Too engage is Hals B/S is too praise John Kerry for his War record, Bill Clinton for his Morals or Teddy Kennedy for his weight control and drinking habits while getting a check from his fathers estate and the American Tax payers he screws over without KY Jelly . Of course the Brothers and sisters love him as do .....fellow socialist .
Save you facts Sir and always stomp Hals OR OTHER SocialiST with facts .
The reason HAL doesn't answer you is ? He can't !

Recon-USMC
WELL DONE!

THANK YOU for YOUR SERVICE!

WilliBeax
Notice how Hal Drunkahue IGNORES it when I refute his LIES! What a TEXTBOOK Example of Liberal Cowardice he and OTHERS OF HIS ILK are.

Oboma Health care record .

This is one of many facts being outed on Oboma's horrible record As a state senator in Illinois..
Laughing gas can be useful during complicated dental procedures, but should every health plan be required to cover it and should health insurance cost more because of it? Barack Obama thinks so. As a state senator in Illinois, he voted to require that dental anesthesia be covered by every health plan for difficult medical cases. Today, the requirement is one of 43 mandates imposed by Illinois on health insurance,
Wait until Unions , Oboma and a Liberal House and Senate take over this county .
Those FAR LEFT SOCIALIST LIBERALS welfare Loving free health care and averything possible will make America look like France after WWI and WW2 .
OF course America will end up destroyed and taxes to death like France is today sadly and no more productive .


Horrible Hollywood


I go to a movie on a strict calendar schedule. I was last in a movie theater in 1980, and maybe, just maybe I will go again in 2030, an even 50 years, but only if they happen to make a movie worth seeing.

Back in the early 1980s, when I lived at a Country Club in the Palm Springs area, one of my tennis partners was a famous movie producer from England, and another was a famous VP from 20th Century Fox.

They were talking about this movie and that, so I said the last movie I had seen was excellent, and I wondered when they might make another like it. At their request for the name, I said it was “Sound of Music,” and they almost threw me off the court.

If you happen to watch the advertisements for DVDs of the Dean Martin show, can you possibly imagine what a program like that would be these days. First of all, no one could be the star on a show like that, and where could they find anyone with talent of the quality of hundreds of show people who appeared on that program over the years.

No one in Hollywood would qualify to sweep the floor where those stars and artists walked.

Name me one good looking gal, or one talented male, in the business today — think Hedy Lamarr and Marilyn Monroe, and hundreds more. I can’t remember the last time I saw a so-called lady on TV, in news or entertainment, who had combed her hair in the past month. They like the bed-hair, which shows they just got out of bed with some guy, whoops I meant to say person, or are ready to jump in bed with the first one who asks.

My Sweetie never went to the hair dresser anytime near a special celebration of some kind, she didn’t want to have bed-hair.



Too Jesus loves me part 2
lIberals and College teachers use words like Imperialist Bullying America I KNOW ALL ABOUT FROM MY GRANDDAUGHTER . I use words like I had no back ground but with America's proven Capitalism it really works Liberals hate but tax for more and more failed welfare programs THEY LOVE ...
that way of Life DIDN'T made me rich and beyond successful . Dancing to my own drummer did NOT TAUGHT IN CLASS ROOMS TODAY .
For every Teachers colleges that teach Mathematics , Science . Engineering there are (51) Sociology , Understanding ISLAMIC' and the koran , Cultural Diversity ,Black History other useless courses that do nothing to make America a better country or the INDIVIDUAL a personal human being .
You damn right that destroying our young minds with Socialism makes me hot under the collar . It is obvious all Liberal bought into sadly that America only works if socialist liberals and the NANNY STATE runs this country .
WRONG !

We
spent last evening watching Abbot and Costello in Buck Privates. On DVD. Having grown up in the era of great movies, actors, actresses, and comedians we don't got to the movies anymore when it was a weekly event in the past.
What struck us, with a lot of sadness, was the difference in the attitude towards fighting that war and what we have been seeing recently and in the Vietnam era. The movies were patriotic, and uplifting. So when we watched the movie we laughed but there was a bittersweet feeling about how much we have lost because of the marxist left that's just about stolen all our traditions and American Pride.
The last movie we saw was The Passion of the Christ and it was the first time in over twenty years that'd we'd been in a theatre.
There are so many great movies from the past, with people who really could act, and yeah, there were some who had shady lives outside of the movies, but we really didn't know it, it was paraded around in our faces 24/7 now. There was a certain aura of class around them.
We don't watch the networks at all except when
it's NFL Football season, locals only for the weather, Fox and Hallmark almost always has a decent story on. The Love Comes Softly series
is one of our favorites, anything by John Wayne
although I don't like the Shootist at all. so many more. We also found a DVD with several Jack Benny episodes on them so we are rationing ourselves to watching one or two at a time.

Georgetwinn
The Laird is constantly bragging that he is the only one who uses his real name on TH. Of course because of his vanity he's setting himself for identity theft. Very foolish for an ex officer and gentleman. Now if he really wanted to show how brave he was he'd post his e-mail address like some of us have done.
I'm not aware of any change that he has accomplished with his idiotic, inane and mindless drivel.
Facts please Halbert!

Jesus Loves me more than you !

USMC
Hey your life sounds pretty damn good!

How come you come across as so bitter and angry against your fellow americans?

Well my Dear I guess Jesus Loves my more than you obviously . After all he saved my life many times in Nam almost dying twice . But that Life from hell prepared me for the real world out there not the world of class room theory how to save and feed the world . I gave much and take nothing from society.. I have honor , pride and bare no white guilt Liberals ware like a heavy yoke .
I bought into John Kennedy's famous speech(what I can do for America not what America can do for me ) Not his Brothers drunken pacifist Liberal crap .Unions are the enemy created by Russia brought to America .Great for our country until 1940 but not now Liberals are married too sadly .
I am glade you ask the question about my so called anger . Conservatives read my thoughts as common sense , facts and reality .
Liberals saw John Kerry as a Hero .I knew first hand he as a Lier and a pacifist Coward .
Liberals praise Teddy Kennedy and Nancy Polosi , Hillary and OBOMA . I see them as friends of Our enemies and with their welfare programs and not drilling for our own Oil are killing our broken GDP and economy while saying they are for the Middle Class . What a joke .Go to the gas pumps and grocery . Global warning ? When 100 years well be warmer .Good crops will go longer each season and feed more hungry people . then VA will Fla in Feb.
But most of all my hurt is : I see what Colleges are doing to young Minds they in fact are destroying them . They are "CREATING HATE AMERICA and so called PC Correctness (one version ..( Socialism )
in the class rooms as is your beloved Liberal media !

Anne-ReconUSMC-LJ7392-CraftyOne
Later!

ReCon-USMC: I don't know who you are...

BUT... I would be very proud to own one of your sofas, etc.

In fact, I will be shopping for new living room furniture in about 2mos. and I WILL be looking for your initials... "S first name, last name M"!!!

And when I find the sofa and love seat and chairs, I WILL proudly be telling YOUR STORY!

Whatever good things you have in life, you earned them. God bless you!



Hal Drunkahue
Since when do you tell me how to live, Fatso! All US officeholders have an Email account, so do you for that matter, Jerkweed! How much change have you brought about in your lifetime? The only thing you change is socks and drawers and that is done infrequently.

LJ7392
That is Arbiter in English!

Hal Donahue
"Thanks but I don't use my spell check for English should I use it for Spanish?"

Why don't you just learn to spell?

CKHustler
I agree. I will repost the theme song of those of us who choose to ignore and scroll. Thanks to the Beach Boys for this medley

Rob Rob Rob Rob Rob's your man
Rob Rob Rob Rob Rob's your man
Rob Rob Rob Rob Rob's your man
I'm getting bugged scrolling up and down the same old threads
You've gotta find a new way! Address the column instead!
(guitar)
Rob 'n his buddy Hal D are getting real well-known
But all the smart guys know them and they leave them alone
They get around
Only insanity found
They echo what they said
They clutter up the thread

Rob Rob Rob Rob Rob's your man
Rob Rob Rob Rob Rob's your man
Rob Rob Rob Rob Rob's your man

I always take the time to read Townhall every week
But when I get to the threads it's not old Robert I seek
(guitar)
All the Townhall bloggers seem to egg on the fight
And with the insults flying they just seem to delight
In piling on!
Til the column is gone
It doesn't make him leave
He has more up his sleeve

Rob Rob Rob Rob Rob's your man
Rob Rob Rob Rob Rob's your man
Rob Rob Rob Rob Rob's your man
OOOOOO EEEEE I just wish you could see....eeee
That He....eeee Just likes celebrity....eeeee
OOOOOO EEEEEE (fade)

Sophie
THAT IS THE IDEA! 4 years of Communism will get up 12 more years on Conservatism and we will be hunting Liberals with dogs.

yo yo yo
you guys are responding to hal!!! hello!!! it gets nothing done!!! your probably getting him a pay raise by doing it :P

hold fast!

Lumberjack7392
It seems Hal Drunkahue has set himself up as Aebiter of HOW I should get involved. In the 21st Century I should visit?!?!?! Was it personal visits or Emails that stopped Shamnesty?

Hal Doofus Keeps On Raving:
There, there sure you do but if you don't get involved don't complain. I mean it is so much easier to hide in a bunker clicking a keyboard and staying anonymous.

Hal, unlike you I have a life.

Lumberjack7392
".... unless you spend your time sucking up to and kissing the butts of Dumbbuttcrap politicos, you are not involved. "

Oh you sheeple I forget you don't want to be seen or take risk. Ahh well too bad I am of for my walk before the radio show but hey maybe if you are good next time I will give you my call in number LOL

Jesus/Sophie
Uhh, it is the law of gravity. AGW is a theory and it is one that is being discredited so rapidly that they have to change the name to climate change to account for the freezing winters and thickening Antarctic ice. And, yes, Sophie, evolution is a theory, albeit a pretty good one. You might want to peruse Darwin's work "On the Origin of Species". He showed, pretty convincingly, that gradual evolutionary changes accounted for variations between and within species. This was later adjusted to account for catastrophic events and called punctuated equilibrium. Evolution does not explain the origin of life.

Georgetwin.....
dadgummit!!!! Spew alert....

Sinko de Mayo!!!! Love it, love it, love it!

LOL that was quick
Oh no they are not just theories they are SCIENTIFIC theories which has a whole other world of meaning

Lumberjack7392
"No, because I have better things to do than hang around a cOngresscritter's office. "

There, there sure you do but if you don't get involved don't complain. I mean it is so much easier to hide in a bunker clicking a keyboard and staying anonymous.

Hal Drunkahue
WOW! Looking at The World through Beer Goggles must distort Delusions of Grandeur and make them look bigger.

You keep coming back to Townhall because you are Gutless.

Shrillary Cankleton & Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama go on Foxnews because THAT IS WHERE THE VIEWERS ARE!

If Operation Chaos WERE NOT REAL, The Libtards in Ohio, Indiana and other places WOULD NOT be worrying about it. For all your talk about Ethics, you DID NOT SAY WORD ONE when The Daily Kook suggested Liberals skew GOP Primaries to McCain.

Like I have said before, you are SO CROOKED you use a wrench to screw your pants on in the morning.


Hal Doofus
No, no when is the last time you visited them in DC or even in their regional offices. Does the staff know you by name, if not why not?

Said statement proving my statement, "In Hal Doofus's belief, unless you spend your time sucking up to and kissing the butts of Dumbbuttcrap politicos, you are not involved.
"

Hal Doofus Keeps On Raving:
No, no when is the last time you visited them in DC or even in their regional offices. Does the staff know you by name, if not why not?

No, because I have better things to do than hang around a cOngresscritter's office.

Georgetwin
"I have no fear of Islamofacists in the ME or America, I have a second cousin in Iraq who tells me things are going well there and Smith & Wesson do a FINE JOB of looking out for me and mine here."

LMAO there are no islamofascists anywhere let alone the ME. S&W LMAO I bet and I imagine it is a big one too LOL

"I WEAR OUT The Email accounts of Mikulski, Cardin and Gilchrest."

No, no when is the last time you visited them in DC or even in their regional offices. Does the staff know you by name, if not why not?

"I TOLD YOU, if you want to stereotype and insults folks, I am a fair hand at that game myself."

You appear to be the sterotype


Georgetwin writes:
Hal Drunkahue
I have no fear of Islamofacists in the ME or America, I have a second cousin in Iraq who tells me things are going well there and Smith & Wesson do a FINE JOB of looking out for me and mine here.

I WEAR OUT The Email accounts of Mikulski, Cardin and Gilchrest.

I TOLD YOU, if you want to stereotype and insults folks, I am a fair hand at that game myself.

In Hal Doofus's belief, unless you spend your time sucking up to and kissing the butts of Dumbbuttcrap politicos, you are not involved.

Georgetwin
"IF we are so Irrelevant:

Why do Troll Cowards like you keep coming back to TownHall?"

To drive the stake well in...

"Why are Shrillary Cankleton & Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama on Foxnews on an almost daily basis?"

With your collapse to get new supporters of course

"Why are Libtards in Indiana FREAKING about Operation Chaos? "

LMAO are they? We both know Rush, the biggest poller in the country, saw the exodus and brilliantly turned that into a "campaign". Real? nope but excellent work? you bet

sophie
"VAST consensus of the world's greatest scientists?"

tsk tsk tsk

If you haven't noticed that vast consensus is rapidly shrinking along with any supporting evidence.

"Hell most of you buffoons don't even believe in evolution for god's sake!"

I do not have any problem with evolution as a theory. You do no its a theory right? Or is it simply an article of faith in your religion, like man made GW.

Hal Drunkahue
I have no fear of Islamofacists in the ME or America, I have a second cousin in Iraq who tells me things are going well there and Smith & Wesson do a FINE JOB of looking out for me and mine here.

I WEAR OUT The Email accounts of Mikulski, Cardin and Gilchrest.

I TOLD YOU, if you want to stereotype and insults folks, I am a fair hand at that game myself.

Check out paddy's parodies
new one from this weekend. my Blog.

Hal Doofus Keeps On Raving:
Georgetwin
"How am I afraid of terrorists?"

Hmmm perhaps I have you wrong are you not the one who screams about islamofascists and Iran is coming to get us? Creating a phantom 10 foot tall threat?

"How am I afraid to get involved?"

When was the last time you were in the streets demanding change? When was the last time you were in DC talking to your congressional critters? Maybe I am wrong here too?

"If you are so drunk you are seeing multiple flags, hit the one in the middle. "

See tired old name calling LMAO

Hal: When it comes to assuming things about the conservative posters here, you fit the first three letter of assume, because that's what you make of yourself.

Hal Drunkahue
IF we are so Irrelevant:

Why do Troll Cowards like you keep coming back to TownHall?

Why are Shrillary Cankleton & Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama on Foxnews on an almost daily basis?

Why are Libtards in Indiana FREAKING about Operation Chaos?

The Eternal Sunshine of Sophie writes:

Re-con USMC
Does the military not provide psyciatric care for its service members?

You are clearly in need of some counseling for your anger and paranoia issues....

Get help.
________________
Help ? Madam I as a former Two Tour Nam Vet (shot twice ) got back home after 6 years in the USMC with no College and No Liberals wanted to hire me(No civilian skills at 26yr's old ) and LAUGHED in my face .
After all J.Kerry and the left Media told America I was a rapist and a baby killer .
So I started at the bottom of the very bottom of the Furniture Industry and after working 12-14 hours a day 6-7 week for several years spending many nights in my own car.
I became one of the 10 Top Sofa designer and fabric colorist in the entire Canadian and American Fashion Industry .My name is still on Branded Sleep Sofa's, & Sofa's . L/s and Chairs . In fact you may be sitting in my lap or Sofa this very Minute .. imagine that .(grin) here is a clue who I am . MY Initials are S first name . last name M .
I was President of the largest brand name Bedding in Canada .
I live in Race Horse Country of VA on a awesome estate with water falls flowers and a great 5 acre Bass pond and retired at 52 very Rich .
My Sofa line sold at all the top Retailers in America and Canada .
Just for the record competing with PHD's , MBA's and Elite Liberals was like trying to tell a Liberal like you about History , Reality . Economics' .
The idea that INDIVIDUALISM , PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY , simple reason and common sense can not be replaces with Group Therapy , Socialism , Welfare , Pacifist is a damn Joke .
Sorry Madam you need help . After all I8 pay more in Taxes that most air head Liberals make a year ruining of kids lives .


Georgetwin
"How am I afraid of terrorists?"

Hmmm perhaps I have you wrong are you not the one who screams about islamofascists and Iran is coming to get us? Creating a phantom 10 foot tall threat?

"How am I afraid to get involved?"

When was the last time you were in the streets demanding change? When was the last time you were in DC talking to your congressional critters? Maybe I am wrong here too?

"If you are so drunk you are seeing multiple flags, hit the one in the middle. "

See tired old name calling LMAO

Hal Doofus Keeps On Raving:
Lumberjack7392
"Doofus: It's spelled "CINCO."

Thanks but I don't use my spell check for English should I use it for Spanish?

Yeah, in either case you might come across as slightly less derranged.

Lumberjack7392
The Drunk is bragging about being STUPID in 2 LANGUAGES!

Sophie
Always enjoy your posts. You may be rude, crude and incredibly poorly informed but I've got to admit that you can turn a phrase. I checked out you link- you call that a scientific article? Please. That was a soft report, a fluff piece, nothing. Nowhere in the article does it show a correlation between "climate change" and thickening of Antarctic sea ice. It starts off with a premise that GW is accepted as true, explains how they "think" the sea ice is getting thicker then go on to link the two with absolutely nothing to go on. It as if they are saying "we know AGW is true so.....it must be causing the sea ice to thicken". Lame. They go on to state that they have satellite images-not core samples- and have used them to test their hypotheses to improve their predictions. They further go on to state that they have a long way to go to get really accurate in their predictions. This begs the question: Do YOU know how to read a scientific paper (this was not one, but I digress) and are you able to evaluate a study based on it's merits and strengths? I have been doing so for about twenty years, so I had to call you on this one. Oh, and I flagged the same post that Curtal Friar flagged.

Little Known Historical Info
Most people don't know that back in 1912, Hellmann's mayonnaise was manufactured in England. In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York

This would have been the largest single shipment of mayonnaise ever delivered to Mexico, but as we know, the great ship did not make it to New York. The ship hit an iceberg, sank, and the cargo was forever lost

The people of Mexico, who were crazy about mayonnaise, and were eagerly awaiting its delivery, were disconsolate at the loss. Their anguish was so great, that they declared a National Day of Mourning, which they still observe to this day.

The National Day of Mourning occurs each year on May 5th and is known, of course, as Sinko De Mayo.

Loved your comments Burt
I don't go to movies because there's very little worth seeing. My favorites on tv are dwindling down to very few. The idiots making the movies and tv shows don't seem to understand that entertainment is what most people want.

Being preached to by a bunch of self indulgent, narcissistic, ignorant, preening popinjays is something that I refuse to pay for.

5 stars as usual Burt.

Lumberjack7392
"Doofus: It's spelled "CINCO."

Thanks but I don't use my spell check for English should I use it for Spanish?

Sophie
"Happy Cinqo to you too Hal!
I think the natives are getting restless..."

they know they are toast

I was just listening to a guy rant about the darn Puerto Ricians acting like they belong here and deserve welfare AND "bringing there %^&^*& holidays like today here. Best part the guy is 42, "disabled" and a big Rush fan. I was amazed at how many wrongs the man could cram into one statement. LOL

"The fact that they are fringe might be finally starting to sink in...

Must be a bummer to realize your idealogy is politically irrelevant. "

Oh they know it why do you think all the name calling? they have nothing else


Hal Drunkahue
How am I afraid of terrorists?

How am I afraid to get involved?

If you are so drunk you are seeing multiple flags, hit the one in the middle.

Hal Donahue writes:
Sophie
Happy cinqo LOL
Hope all is well

Doofus: It's spelled "CINCO."

Georgetwin
"Just like a Liberal, take The Most Cowardly Option Available! "

Explain please

Georgetwin
"It doesn't take much to entertain The Simple Minded or those who suffer from The DT's. Flag Away Barfly! "

What is the definition for someone like you is is soooo afraid of all the terrorists and liberals and too timid to get publicly involved?

Ol' sophie must be paranoid.....
Anne writes: Monday, May, 05, 2008 2:50 PM
SSGT!!! Pa-lease don't tell me that you
have ACTUALLY been posting TO that idiot bimbo!!!

Believe me when I tell you that your time would be... oh... say 1000 times better spent watching PAINT DRY!!!

And, you know as well as I that except for one's superior, NOBODY knows if someone is covert! Spouses don't even know.....

******************************************

I don't think I used her name in this post!

Oh well, she seems to think that I'm responsible for her being banned...


Hal Drunkahue
Just like a Liberal, take The Most Cowardly Option Available!

Sophie
Happy cinqo LOL
Hope all is well

Hal Drunkahue
It doesn't take much to entertain The Simple Minded or those who suffer from The DT's. Flag Away Barfly!

Sophie
I mean really, what do you have to attract any kind of decent man?

Your wit? nah, mostly consists of vile insults, the likes of which any seventh grader is able to make.

Intelligence? mostly displayed here by making your vile comments in order to stir up controversy, thinking that makes you look intelligent.

Charm? non-existent, based on your behaviour here.

Beauty? don't know, but I doubt it, as if you possessed real beauty, you would be able to attract more than a border runner.

So what then? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Hal Doofus Keeps on Raving
Curtal Friar
"That is way beyond what's acceptable. What is wrong with you, to make personal insults on people for no reason?"

LMAO. LOL, LMAO look at all above and say that again LMAO?

Still have the hebrephrenia, I see. Go back to Walter Reed, and check yourself into the psych ward.

Canceled Papers
I canceled my subscription because the paper were written by idiots . Also just about all the writers are so liberal that even my kids think that reading the paper is useless . I at one time thought that I was liberal until the crap that they write today jumped off the page at me .
I still believe in God and Jesus Christ . I also canceled my t.v. subscription because of people like Bill Mahler and Chris Matthews .

Georgetwin
Yup just flagged you too - this could indeed be fun LOL

Sophie
WOW, Global warming causes everything now. Lets see?
Wet weather
Dry weather
Colder weather
Warmer weather
More hurricanes
Less hurricanes
Shrinking polar caps on Mars (Martian SUVs?)
Milder winters
Severe winters
Hot summers
Cooler summers
Warmer oceans
Cooler oceans
Shark attacks now too?

Dr. Sues has nothing on you algore buffoons.

Last one What if the weather or climate never changed? GW?

Na, we would be on the moon. The weather and climate stays really constant there.

Maybe you would be more comfortable on the moon, avoiding all that changing climate and weather.

Happy Hour
Hey Halbert. Isn't it time for you and Sunshine to stroll arm in arm to your favorite watering hole? Or is your flask still full from lunch time?

Mrs. Paddy: Re Achmed ....

ABSOLUTELY one of THE funniest comedy routines
E-V-E-R!

In fact, after seeing it on the Comedy Channel, my son went right out and bought the DVD...



Poor Jeff Dunham probably has to pay for body guards now since it seems the only people who don't have a sense of humor are... well... the terrorist.





Hey
I like this flag thing I should use it more often

Hal Drunkahue
Crawl back in your bottle, Fatso!

Sophie
Hmmm....do I detect a note of jealousy here? I must wonder if you attack other women here on TH because the only man you were ever able to attract was a border runner who grabbed the first airheaded broad so he could use her as an easy way to gain citizenship.

Your stupidity is in fine form today, Sophie.

Curtal Friar
"That is way beyond what's acceptable. What is wrong with you, to make personal insults on people for no reason?"

LMAO. LOL, LMAO look at all above and say that again LMAO?


Georgetwin: Yes, I did see where The

Libtards in Indiana are FREAKING about Operation Chaos?

Actually, one of the few humorous things we have to laugh at these days.... (except that sophie will probably be banned. That's always pretty funny.)





Farmer's Wife
Speaking of comedians...have you seen Jeff Dunham (he's a ventriloquist)...he's very funny. a little edgy sometimes, but sooooo funny.

I especially like his Achmed the Dead Terrorist. I absolutely laugh myself into hysterics.

Check him out sometime, he's really a great comedian...not at all PC (which is why I love him!)

All: Say goodbye to sophie!

Probably time she was banned AGAIN!


Sophie
That is way beyond what's acceptable. What is wrong with you, to make personal insults on people for no reason?

I have flagged your 2:59 post. Here's hoping it gets you canned, as it is nothing but offensive

Ssgt-Anne
I was just wondering:

Is it POSSIBLE that the Globe WARMED to end The Ice Age(s)?

REMEMBER, Al Bore said Farting is responsible for 18% of Global Warming.

If so, was it Caveman/Mammoth/Dinosaur Farting then caused said Ice Age(s) ending Global Warming?

If so, WHAT were they eating as there were a LOT FEWER Methane Producing Mammals on Earth at that time. Did they Fart MORE OFTEN or was there Methane more concentrated.

EXCUSE MR! I just WARMED my Cubicle ;)!

Anne
thanks, your correct as usual!

Georgetwin:
whats an Ice Age? Are you talking about that cute little movie with the Wooley Mammoth?

Anne
Did you see where The Libtards in Indiana are FREAKING about Operation Chaos?

Georgetwin & ink revival...Same goes for

you guys too....

Go watch paint dry! Your time would be much better spent!





Sophie
BTW, Newt & McAmnesty McMidget are Grandstanders in love with The Camera. Pat Robertson is in one of those ads also, so now YOU HAVE to disagree with them or else you are agreeing with a fundie :)!

SSGT!!! Pa-lease don't tell me that you

have ACTUALLY been posting TO that idiot bimbo!!!

Believe me when I tell you that your time would be... oh... say 1000 times better spent watching PAINT DRY!!!


And, you know as well as I that except for one's superior, NOBODY knows if someone is covert! Spouses don't even know.....



Sophie
What caused The Ice Age(s)?

What ended The Ice Age(s)?

NOTHING happening with the Global Climate now is NEW, it has ALL happened BEFORE!


IRevival-LJ-RGeek-Ssgt-Lolo-Anne-YLG
Ssgt, use whatever you need to take on Gutless Drunkahue.

Here is a FINE example of Liberals Ethics:
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/RichGalen/2008/05/05/dan n_fool

sophie
shshshshs, dummy! Did you know that North America recorded its, um, well, (COLDEST) winter in History, dummy. shshshshs, don't tell anyone, dummy. I hate to see the whackos try to hold a conversation about something they can't comprehend, like, shshshssh, (facts), dummy!

Vic
be safe!

Major thunderstorm
got to shutdown.

sophie
shshshshshshs, quiet now, dummy!
(wisper)
did you here the oceans are, um, well, (COOLING), dummy! Read some facts, dummy, they may help you out some, dummy

The Eternal Sunshine of Sophie writes:
Nyar.....
I wouldn't waste much time on Ink...

He's known for dishonest propaganda...hyperbole...slander...baseless attacks without foundation...etc...

Try looking in a mirror for someone who does the same thing.

sophie
blah
blah
blah
dummy!

inkling_revival
I agree that there are certainly barriers to entry in the business, but if Burt's premise that liberal papers are alienating ~40% of their potential market is true, surely some entrepreneur could be bothered to take the risk.
That's a lot of share to snap up.

Anyway, regarding your unpleasant generalizations about liberals, do you have facts? I'm not saying it's not true, but I'd like you to justify saying that they're essentially delusional, manipulative fascists.

Mr P
D@mn, I thought that this was going to be an article about Burt skiing!

The meme of centrality
Sophie, consistently one of the most dishonest posters here on Townhall, continues her routine of deceptive propaganda with this:

"The knuckledraggers haven't figured out yet that they are fringe....and waaaaayyyy out of step with mainstream american (conservative or liberal)."

I've been hearing this from the hard lefties for a few months now; it's as if they actually believe that reciting how mainstream they are, and how marginal their opponents are, makes it so. (Actually, that's PRECISELY what they think -- marginalizing your opposition is an Alinsky tactic. Look up Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals if you're not familiar.)

Anybody who actually believes this needs to take a trip over to http://www.americansolutions.com and download "The Platform of the American People" from there. Newt Gingrich has produced polling data showing an astounding number of issues on which most Americans agree, and on which only about 15% consistently disagree.

Guess which side most of the things Sophie says here on TH fall into?

Enjoy your "mainstream" stature as long as you can, Sophie. Illusions just don't last...

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

sophie
yeah just like the CIA agent. Just ask Richard Armetage!!!!!!! He would know all about that, dummy.


sophie spits:
"Wait till they realize they're a powerless fringe group!"

Daniel Wester:
"One country, one constitution, one destiny."


Wait till we take back ours, dummy!

What was different then
Nyanthrop, again with interesting points of view, asks:

"Incidentally, look at the "Vietnam crop" of anti-war movies. The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now, and Full Metal Jacket are all considered artistic classics (though I've only personally seen and enjoyed FMJ). What was different then? "

What was different then was the tight grip leftists held on news sources. Consequently, during the Vietnam era, most everybody believed the biased meme that the war was brutalizing ordinary men and turning them into crazed, unstable murderers.

Today, the left is trying very hard to produce the same effect, but with less control over the dissemination of news. There are too many alternative sources in the modern world. Consequently, when they produce movies that are artistically and politically similar to what they produced in the 70s, the general public has the ability to call BS and debunk their point of view. The movie bombs because the public is more savvy to the propaganda game than it used to be.

Blame the internet culture. Blame Rush. Blame Michael Yon and Bill Roggio. Blame Townhall.com.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

Nyarlathotep writes:
Lumber and jcdean
I think I've started to talk myself in circles: we both agree that people can just avoid movies.

We're not going to settle this in any objective fashion, because my response to Burt (like Burt's writing itself) is pure opinion. I just think he's taking the standard stance against "them" and their "elitism," a slogan I've heard for years, without adding much to the discussion.

Incidentally, look at the "Vietnam crop" of anti-war movies. The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now, and Full Metal Jacket are all considered artistic classics (though I've only personally seen and enjoyed FMJ). What was different then? They were certainly unflattering toward the military, and could be called "liberal elitist propaganda."
Clearly it's not so simple.

Nothing ever is so simple. Of the three movies you listed, I tried to watch "Apocalypse Now," and gave up on it. I never could figure what was happening, so I just decided to read "Heart of Darkness," instead. The other two, I watched only in passing, because they were the only things the a ship's CCTV were showing. I still think the best Vietnam Era movie was "We Were Soldiers."

I have enjoyed the reasonable, polite discussion we have had.

Barriers to staring news organizations
Nyanthrop writes, interestingly:

"My point, rather, was that bias is unavoidable, and to blame the liberals in the news for being liberals is somewhat unfair. Conservatives would be just as biased, but they don't seem (a) inclined to start newspapers or (b) able to sell them, for some reason."

A) The reason conservatives don't "seem inclined to start newspapers" is that there's actually a huge barrier to entry in the market of newspapers. It is very, very expensive to start a newspaper, and name recognition is everything. This is why all the major cities in the US are served by newspapers that have been in business for decades.

B) Once they've obtained a dominant position in any profession where point of view matters, liberals create barriers to conservatives holding jobs. Conservatives do not behave similarly. Thus, when conservatives controlled newspapers, liberals frequently worked there; however, now that liberals control most newspapers, conservatives are never hired, or only hired if they keep their opinions to themselves.

C) Conservatives can sell newspapers just fine. The Trib in Pittsburgh is thriving, as are the Chicago Tribune, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Times. There's just that "name recognition" thing...

D) Conservatives would not be as biased as liberals. Most conservatives in the news business regard their job as "reporting the facts objectively;" most liberals in the business regard their job as "changing the world." This difference in point of view makes all the difference in the world: conservatives simply report what's there, liberals report what they want people to see.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

Bleeding Heart Liberal writes:
Econ 101
If you keep losing money, you will go broke. The studios keep producing bad movies yet they are not broke. Therefore these movies must make money.

If Burt is right, capitalists (money people) are unable to understand the bottom line. They continuously funnel money into money losing ventures. They are broke.

Doesn't anybody notice the disconnect in these ideas?

The disconnect is in your thinking. Theses movis do lose money. Where the studios make money is in the movies that make tons of money, as in "Iron Man," "National Treasure," "Chronicles of Narnia," "Star Wars," etc. The movies that do make money allow the studios to make the arty money losing movies.

Actions
Hollywood is filled with open Communists and Socialists. You keep saying that their actions are making them Communists but I am not saying that at all. Rather the other way around that their belief in Socialism and Anti Capitalist attitude helps guide their view point and decisions... but that does not make their actions all Communist or Socialist actions.

I guess either we are missing each others points or we just dont agree here. Either way I wish you the best and thanks for the civil discussion.

BHL
any of your conservative rags toss out any more national security secrets lately?

Lumber and jcdean
I think I've started to talk myself in circles: we both agree that people can just avoid movies.

We're not going to settle this in any objective fashion, because my response to Burt (like Burt's writing itself) is pure opinion. I just think he's taking the standard stance against "them" and their "elitism," a slogan I've heard for years, without adding much to the discussion.

Incidentally, look at the "Vietnam crop" of anti-war movies. The Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now, and Full Metal Jacket are all considered artistic classics (though I've only personally seen and enjoyed FMJ). What was different then? They were certainly unflattering toward the military, and could be called "liberal elitist propaganda."
Clearly it's not so simple.

Georgetwin
good day!
I hope you don't mind, but I used your idea on an earlier post for the Doofus. He won't let me send him a sorry gift (MOAB), so I wanted to hear his oath of office. They recorded his in particular because to the best of their knowledge, he is the first to take it drunk!

Burt, let me explain
The reason you keep seeing the same, money-losing tripe from the entertainment industry, and the same, money-losing slant from the news industry, is that political leftists actually consider themselves honest.

No, seriously. They do. They are very, very earnest about what they call "integrity."

Understand, though, that what they call "integrity" is not what you or I would call that. They're remarkably able to ignore sound arguments, twist facts, make up statistics, or just plain lie to your face. That's not what they're talking about, though.

What a leftist means by "integrity" is very much like what a Christian fundamentalist or a Wahabist Muslim means by "fidelity;" it means adherence to the Truth of their ideology, regardless of the cost.

The alternative, actually serving the paying public what they're paying for, they call "prostitution."

Because liberals must regard themselves as "having integrity," they will continue to produce movies that illustrate the world in leftist terms: bleak, meaningless, full of casual and meaningless sex, bad language, and infidelity, but in which America is portrayed as the devil, and world socialism, upheld on a pedestal.

The irony of finding Christ and slowly leaving liberalism, as I did, is that I actually regarded myself as a thoroughly honest fellow when I was liberal. It was only as I learned about how capable I was of all sorts of deception, especially self-deception, that I actually started to speak, write, research, and behave like somebody who actually cared whether what was coming out of my mouth was true or not.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

Econ 101
If you keep losing money, you will go broke. The studios keep producing bad movies yet they are not broke. Therefore these movies must make money.

If Burt is right, capitalists (money people) are unable to understand the bottom line. They continuously funnel money into money losing ventures. They are broke.

Doesn't anybody notice the disconnect in these ideas?

jcdean1978
It's not a matter of a polarized distance from some imaginary "center" at which all truth is clear. Fox still being slightly left but close to center doesn't mean they're "less" biased, because all news is paradigmatic.
My point, rather, was that bias is unavoidable, and to blame the liberals in the news for being liberals is somewhat unfair. Conservatives would be just as biased, but they don't seem (a) inclined to start newspapers or (b) able to sell them, for some reason.

As for the movie industry, when do studios demand tax dollars for failed films? Did I miss something? And the fact that they give awards doesn't really mean anything, since every industry gives itself trophies. What exactly was your point there?

You keep using the term anti-Capitalist. According to your, and Burt's, explanation, they're either not very greedy and have money to burn, or they're bad at business. Which of these makes them Communists?

My point, overall, is not "the movie industry is awesome." Rather, I'm trying to point out that Burt's radically oversimplifying shifts in customer attention, business trends, stylistic trends, and other industry factors into one word: "Liberals."

Nyarlathotep writes:
Lumberjack
Government-funded art is entirely a different matter. When it comes to Hollywood, though, how do they impose their content on you by any power other than capitalism?
You're right that people are allowed not to see movies. It is perfectly acceptable by any moral or political theory I can think of.

jcdean's point that I was rebutting, however, was that "artistic" moviemaking is somehow anti-capitalist. He considered it a socialist act to release art with anything short of total dedication to profit. I was merely pointing out that the artistic preferences of writers and directors are none of his business any more than any other product offered on the market, and if they want to sink money for the sake of beauty, more power to them. It's their money, because that's how capitalism works.

The ultimate point of capitalism is to make a profit from the good or service that a company offers. Most if not all of the anti-war, anti-military, anti-American movies made over the last few years have died at the box office, not coming anywhere close to recouping the investment in them the studios, executive producers, and producers have made in them. Eventually, I think that the studios, executive producers, and producers will get the message that the people in "flyover country" do not want to see such films, and stop putting them out. As wealthy as the studios may be, they cannot keep on bleeding the red ink these movies generate.
I have no trouble with theses movies being made, its the studios, executive producers, producers, directors, stars, and crews right to make them. Just as I, and every other non-viewer have the right to ignore them.

One has to wonder
Is there any form of print media that is sufficiently conservative enough for the knuckle draggers on Town Hall?

I have just learned the vanguard of capitalism, the Wall Street Journal, is a liberal rag. The Rev. Moon's house organ, the Washington Times, is a liberal rag.

In these 50 states is there no print media conservative enough? If that is the case, one must wonder where the ultra far right, and you describe yourselves as ultra far right, gets its information and ideas.

Maybe you should just label yourselves contrarians. Against everything for the sake of being contrary.

A Hal Drunkahue Posting
HIC! LMAO! You Bitter, Ignorant, Small Town, Conservatives make me sicker than a Monday Morning Hangover! WHO ARE YOU to tell Hollywood what you want to see and/or what you will pay to see! HIC! LMAO! YOU ARE ALL too stupid to know what a good film is. Liberal Perverts, Liberal Drug Addicts and Liberal America Haters are FAR MORE INTELLIGENT than you are and KNOW what you NEED TO SEE on The Silver Screen and WHAT YOU NEED to read in The paper. HIC! LMAO! Yet YOU INSIST on not buying newspapers and going to movies. I AM SO MAD AT YOU PEOPLE for insulting Liberal Hollywood Elites that I have decided to challenge Arlen Specter for his Senate seat the next time he is up foe re-election. HIC! LMAO! I’M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW that I DO NOT WANT any of you Bitter, Ignorant, Small Town, Bible and Gun Toting, Pennsylvanians to vote for me. I just want The Votes of Welfare Cheats, America Haters and Liberal Elites in Allentown, Scranton, Philly, Pittsburgh and Erie. I DON’T NEED ANY VOTES from You Conservatives. HIC! LMAO! Now for any Liberals that happen to be reading this, I want your opinion on a couple of commercials I will be running on TV during my Senate Campaign:

Beer, it’s not just for Breakfast Anymore!
Hal Drunkahue for US Senate.

Sincerity, Integrity and Intelligence. One I learn to fake those, I’ll make a GREAT Liberal Senator.
Hal Drunkahue for US Senator

HIC! LMAO!

Nyarlathotep
Nyarlathotep just curious. I agree that by his actions Wright does show more integrity.

Thanks for your response.

Acting
I am not saying they should not be allowed to throw their money down a hole nor am I saying it is a Socialist act. I am just putting into context why they do it and their thought process behind it.

To say it is a socialist act would be like saying giving money to charity is a socialist act when it is a Capitalist act. Only if the Govt steals your money and gives it to that Charity is it a socialist act.

American Citizen
If ANY American citizen does not like or does like a particular movie or artistic endeavor - fine.

As an American citizen I do not want to fund anything with my tax dollars that is art.

As an American citizen I do not want to fund anything with my tax dollars that promotes a winery or for people NOT to work.

As an American citizen I do not want to fund anything with my tax dollars that pays a farmer not to grow crops.

I do enjoy
... viruddh's riposte:

"Hard as it seems to be to conservatives,
sometimes people do things for reasons other
than money. Go figure."

Indeed. And "hard as it seems to be" [sic] to leftists, people doing those things then lose money. That is Burt's point.

Losing money tends to jeopardize the future prospects of a business, like a newspaper or movie studio.

Burt put his finger precisely on why I don't have the newspaper delivered. I actually enjoy reading a newspaper; it's not a preference for getting my news hunched over the computer developing carpal tunnel syndrome that caused me to cease buying. It's that life is too short for me to spend it PAYING someone to expound on my shortcomings, and need for elimination, as a member of the left's laundry list of Bad People and Things.

Retired Geek
That's an interesting question...

I'd say that I'm not qualified to judge, and that the term integrity is somewhat poorly defined, and that I've never met either man.

What's more, the appearance of integrity is not the same as the quality itself, since an extremely canny and acute public figure may appear utterly honest, but not actually be so.

If I had to wing it, I'd say Wright. Why do you ask?

Nyarlathotep
Of course people are going to report through their world view. That is the point entirly of what Burt is making. Hollywood and the media is filled full of liberals. So they are slanted to liberal views of which they see as mainstream when in fact they are extremist.

To try and turn it around on Fox News is an argument liberals love to make because they are LESS slanted to the left... so obviously they must be on the right. Its the same way the Communist pegged the Nazis as being extreme right wingers even though their system of government was almost identical.

I see Fox as the only station attempting to be center of the road but even still they have a slight liberal bias in much of what gets reported and how.

As for the Anti Capitalist in Hollywood, there is nothing wrong at all if they want to make movies that they view as artistic but they should not expect us to throw our money at them. And when we dont, they demand tax money to take up the slack and give out awards to try and legitimize their so called work.

Burts point (At least the way I saw it) was that if Hollywood is a business then they are trying to turn a profit but with their out of touch elitism and anti capitalist agenda they just cant do it anymore and the old world of Hollywood when it was about the customers is long long gone.

L A Times


As for Letters to the LA Times. Over the past many years, I have been “in” the Times (Letters, book review, etc.) between 50 and 60 times, in 10 or 11 sections. Many of those sections no longer exist.

These days it is almost impossible to find something I find interesting enough to write about, that they would consider printing.

As for Jonah Goldberg, I have often said he was there only to give them an excuse to print letters that scream about whatever he writes.


Nyarlathotep
Of course people are going to report through their world view. That is the point entirly of what Burt is making. Hollywood and the media is filled full of liberals. So they are slanted to liberal views of which they see as mainstream when in fact they are extremist.

To try and turn it around on Fox News is an argument liberals love to make because they are LESS slanted to the left... so obviously they must be on the right. Its the same way the Communist pegged the Nazis as being extreme right wingers even though their system of government was almost identical.

I see Fox as the only station attempting to be center of the road but even still they have a slight liberal bias in much of what gets reported and how.

As for the Anti Capitalist in Hollywood, there is nothing wrong at all if they want to make movies that they view as artistic but they should not expect us to throw our money at them. And when we dont, they demand tax money to take up the slack and give out awards to try and legitimize their so called work.

Burts point (At least the way I saw it) was that if Hollywood is a business then they are trying to turn a profit but with their out of touch elitism and anti capitalist agenda they just cant do it anymore and the old world of Hollywood when it was about the customers is long long gone.

Individual as Citizen
My axe to grind is:

What is wrong for every citizen of the US to have exactly the smae rights no more no less.
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Sunshine
Re-con USMC. Sunshine is demonstrating her know-it-all lack of knowledge about anything. She is the one who needs help. Perhaps Halbert or Moon-Pie Bobbie can mentor her.

Lumberjack
Government-funded art is entirely a different matter. When it comes to Hollywood, though, how do they impose their content on you by any power other than capitalism?
You're right that people are allowed not to see movies. It is perfectly acceptable by any moral or political theory I can think of.

jcdean's point that I was rebutting, however, was that "artistic" moviemaking is somehow anti-capitalist. He considered it a socialist act to release art with anything short of total dedication to profit. I was merely pointing out that the artistic preferences of writers and directors are none of his business any more than any other product offered on the market, and if they want to sink money for the sake of beauty, more power to them. It's their money, because that's how capitalism works.

religiouslib
religious lib wites: "...this is one liberal who loves the United States of America and feels blessed to live here.

God,Family and Country."
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I believe you.

Ssgt-Lolo-YLG-LJ7392-GunnyG-Vic-Others
Good Morning All!

Random Thoughts!

Once AGAIN, Hal Drunkahue spews about how we are afraid. Afraid of What? I only fear Fat Hal Drunkahue if he is holding an empty beer bottle and I am BETWEEN Hal Drunkahue and the bartender.

WOW! Wobbie The Coward is agitated this morning. Wonder woman must have sprung a leak and he was out of tire patch.

Speaking of Cue Ball Carville, doesn’t this whole Wright Situation have his fingerprints ALL OVER IT! YOU KNOW THE MSM wouldn’t have said a word about it!

AudiR10
Hey, Tea with Mussolini is a great flick. Nothing like those lighter-than-air romances (Made of Honor, Maid of Honor, whatever). The tea with Il Duce scene is priceless.

Nyarlathotep a question
Who has the most integrity Wright or Obama?

recon-usmc
there are millions of liberals of all kinds. they do not all think or act alike just like all conservatives don't all think and act alike.

this is one liberal who loves the United States of America and feels blessed to live here.

God,Family and Country.

Nyarlathotep writes:
jcdean1978
Sorry; I just found your earlier post. No need to retype.

1. Is it possible that everyone reports on the world according to their embedded personal paradigm? Fox News certainly hasn't convinced me that reporting is possible without making certain assumptions about the world--those of terminology, relative importance of stories, etc.
Why must liberals automatically be foppish elitists? If perspective is unavoidable, then they may as well play it naturally; a conscious effort to pretend they have a _different_ bias would be disingenuous.

2. Capitalism is a system, not a teleological obligation; insufficient greed isn't Communism. If an artistic community cares more about aesthetics than money, fine, but to suggest that they somehow...owe society more easily digested pap is ridiculous. If they come for your money, we'll talk; in the meantime, though, Hollywood isn't a publicly owned industry. If they want to release movies for stylistic rather than financial reasons, that's the way it works.

But for the artistic community to suggest that we owe them our monetary support either via taxation, i.e. the NEA, or via seeing their tripe, whether we want to or not is another. I am reminded of the Dixie Chicks incomprehension at the actions of many C&W stations which stopped playing their music after their comments in Britain, and the drop in concert attendance.. They did not seem to get they have the right to make their statements, as do the fans and stations to make their own statements via actions or non-actions.

Additionally, many of the Hollywood types, express surprise that their "artistic" work does not sell in Middle America. Personally, I go to the occasional movie for entertainment, rather than to be preached at.

Conservative Papers????
Someone has been smoking whacky-tobbaccy. There are no large CONSERVATIVE papers. The WSJ is "said" by the MSM to have a "conservative" EDITORIAL page, the paper itself is just as liberal as the other big city rags.

And the Editorial pages are not conservative either. By the MSM Vladimir Lenin would be a conservative now.

The Washington Times doesn't have anything conservative.


The Truth is :
The Truth is : Deeply inside of every Liberal is a 30'ies BORN AGAIN Marxist IDIOT who thinks that even though Marx, Stalin, Mao , Mussolini , Pol Pot and the Dear Leader in N Korea and devout Socialist Mussolini and A. Hitler accounted for a Quarter Billion death though Murder , Hunger and bad dictator Governments . These Liberal elite so called College educated only .. No Boots on the ground ever , wearing Oboma buttons are spoiled rotten and looking at the world though rose colored glass's . REALLY are nothing more than Modern day Socialist and somehow Think they
can finally get Socialism to "work " ?B/S !
Their mindless Idealism who rant when ever possible against American values , TRADITIONS , MORALS , LOVE OF COUNTRY AND FLAG hating America on matter what ever the issue ....like what Europe thinks? War , Welfare , Corp's, Oil , Captalism .... that can't wait to have a world of pure Marxism .
Proof You ask . When Al Quada beheads a innocent Victim the media is silent or a Iranian women is stoned to death for even looking at another man possibly the left say's nothing as do Fem nazies .
But get a picture of a Terrorist in a silly Photo and the media and the left goes Nuts because they are Nuts !See America is bad .. or a JOHN KERRY 1774 RECORDING .
I look at the far left the same way I look at Putin of Russia or Bin Laden in a cave . Both hate America as do all Socialist/ Liberals in their hearts of hearts if they even have one ?

jcdean1978
Sorry; I just found your earlier post. No need to retype.

1. Is it possible that everyone reports on the world according to their embedded personal paradigm? Fox News certainly hasn't convinced me that reporting is possible without making certain assumptions about the world--those of terminology, relative importance of stories, etc.
Why must liberals automatically be foppish elitists? If perspective is unavoidable, then they may as well play it naturally; a conscious effort to pretend they have a _different_ bias would be disingenuous.

2. Capitalism is a system, not a teleological obligation; insufficient greed isn't Communism. If an artistic community cares more about aesthetics than money, fine, but to suggest that they somehow...owe society more easily digested pap is ridiculous. If they come for your money, we'll talk; in the meantime, though, Hollywood isn't a publicly owned industry. If they want to release movies for stylistic rather than financial reasons, that's the way it works.

oh yea
someone touched on it earlier.

all newspapers are losing readership including the washington times and the wall street journal.

is that because of their conservative bias.

of course not, just like other newspapers are not losing readership because of liberal bias.

it is a generational change.

young people get their news on-line or from the 24/7 cable news outlets.

our wonderful capitalist system will figure out a way to make more money on line and newspapers will be fine.

jcdean1978
So, elitism and anticapitalism...please elaborate.

What problems are they causing, and why?

I hear this canard a lot, but it's rarely explained. All I hear from Burt is that media executives are either insufficiently concerned with profit, or not very good at making it.