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Friday, May 02, 2008
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
Still the Land of Fruits and Nuts
by Burt Prelutsky
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Because California, and Hollywood in particular, have been the punch line for so many jokes over the years, I suspect that people who don’t live out here assume we can’t possibly be that wacky. They don’t know the half of it.

In order for you to better understand what conservatives in this neck of the woods have to deal with, I’ll relate a few typical incidents. The first took place about 10 years ago. My wife and I were invited to a dinner party by the widow of a screenwriter who’d been my longtime tennis partner. We were one of six couples. Which meant that, counting the hostess, there were 13 of us sitting around after dinner. I recall thinking at the time that this is how superstitions come to be perpetuated.

All the men in the group were in show business. As we were all either writers, directors or producers, it was probably inevitable that somebody would bring up Charlton Heston’s name, and in a negative manner. At the time, after all, Mr. Heston had just become the president and spokesman for the NRA, and was garnering a great deal of national attention.

Although I had never met Mr. Heston, we had exchanged a number of congenial letters. So when one of the guys at the party made an insulting remark about him, I naturally took umbrage. But knowing that my wife is always nervous about my ability to turn a minor skirmish into an all-out war, all I said in Heston’s defense was, “Well, whether or not you agree with him, you have to admit he’s got guts.”

The way the other guests reacted, you’d have thought I’d said something along the lines of, “For all his faults, you have to admit that Hitler dressed well and had good table manners.” They were simply outraged.

As I wanted to be certain I hadn’t been misunderstood, I added, “I’m not saying you have to agree with Heston’s point of view. All I’m saying is that, as a working actor, it takes a great deal of courage to be openly conservative in a town where most of the people in a position to hire him are obviously liberals.”

In the end, I could not get a single person, aside from my wife, to acknowledge that, whether or not you agreed with the man’s politics, you had to grant that he had the courage of his convictions.

That evening provided me with one of my more enlightening epiphanies. I had long been aware that left-wingers were on the wrong side of every issue I cared about, but dealing with those 11 weasels confirmed that they lacked even the modicum of honesty required to give a decent man his due.

The next incident took place quite recently. The WGA hosted a reunion lunch for all the “MASH” writers. There were two large tables filled with us old duffs. Over coffee, one of the fellows at my table announced that he had recently canceled his subscription to the L.A. Times. That grabbed my attention, and I said, “Really, Gene? I always thought you were a liberal.”

“What makes you think I’m not?”

“Well, I’m a conservative, so it would make sense for me to cancel that rag. But why did you?”

“Because the Times has gotten too damn conservative!”

Two interesting things then took place. First my jaw hit the floor. Next, the writer who had been seated between us for the entire lunch turned to glower at me, and said, “You’re really a conservative?”

As soon as I admitted I was, he got up and walked away so quickly, you might have thought I’d acknowledged being a leper.

But his glower was nothing compared to the sneer I was getting from Gene. “How can you be a conservative?”

I wasn’t sure if what confused him the most was how I could possibly be a conservative if I was Jewish or a humorist or a former “MASH” writer or simply dare to be in his immediate proximity. But all I said was, “It’s easy. I think conservatives are right and liberals are wrong.”

“Wrong about what?”

“Well, Iraq, for one thing. I believe we were right to invade, to topple Saddam Hussein, and to stick around and make certain the bad guys don’t win. I’m sure even you wouldn’t want to see Al Qaeda using Iraqi oil revenue to fund worldwide terrorism.”

“And how long do you think we should stay there?”

“As long as it takes. For crying out loud, we still have troops in Korea 55 years later. Heck, it’s been over 60 years since the end of World War II and we still maintain a military presence in Germany and Japan. What’s the big rush to get out of Iraq?”

“In case you haven’t noticed, we’ve lost 4,000 soldiers over there!”

“Nobody regrets that more than I do, but I’ll remind you that we used to lose that many in a single battle. The difference is that in those days, we didn’t have a bunch of people like you insisting that our soldiers had died for no good reason. The fact is, the men and women we conservatives call heroes, people like you and John Kerry call saps.”

With that, he pointed his finger in my face and announced, with eyes blazing and spittle flying in my direction, “You’re George Bush!”

“And you, Gene, are an idiot.”

“Don’t you dare call me an idiot! I didn’t call you names.”

“Of course you did. When you call me George Bush, we both know that’s your idea of the ultimate obscenity. Compared to that, calling you an idiot is almost a compliment.”

What made Gene’s outrage over my lack of decorum so amusing is that I knew something that he didn’t know I knew. Back in 2001, you see, shortly after the presidential inauguration, a friend of mine and his wife were invited to a Hollywood cocktail party. By the time they arrived, most of the other guests had gathered in the living room. As the two of them entered, one of the guests proudly announced, “Well, I, personally, don’t know a single a--hole who voted for George Bush.” At which point, my friend said, “Well, you do now.”

The fellow who felt entitled to make that public announcement in a room with ladies and maybe even a few conservatives present was none other than Gene.

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W. Burt Prelutsky is an accomplished, well-rounded writer and author of "The Secret of Their Success: Interviews with Legends and Luminaries."
 
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Hey old duff
Is this seat taken?

Hah!!!
Looks like I'm on a roll tonight!!!!

What's the matter, moonbats?

Y'all losing your touch?

Another great article for which I managed to be the first one to post to the thread.

Burt, thank you for your latest offering and keep up the good work. Your wit and humor are much appreciated, and I look forward to each new column you write.

Poor little moonbats, another opportunity lost to be the first one on in order to start the discussion off on a negative foot.

Just play hard tennis
I consider Burt's cocktail conversation along the lines of Heston's heading the NRA. It is equal. And his wife, she is probably serving finger food as fast as she can, and playing interferance. Both are wonders of the night sky.

Great Stories Burt
I got a similar reaction the first time politics was discussed with my mother in law. It was decreed by my wife at that time that politics would be a banned subject forever when her mother and I were in the same room. Mom actually turned out to be fairly good natured about it and we continue to argue behind everyone's backs but, I have yet to make progress. Her legs get all tingly whenever she hears Hillary speak. She would gladly shoot any conservatives you asked her to to help the cause. Only due to the fact that every other single quality I have she likes, the fact that I take good care of her daughter and grandchildren almost equals out my political blasphemy. She has assured me that she would spare my life in the final battle of good and evil even though I am on the evil team.

Fortunately, people like that are fewer between in my neck of the woods than in yours.

Well, I am from 'fly over country'
and our liberals don't seem so rabid. Discounting those, like hillary that leave as soon as they can.

I love the title, "Still the Land of Fruits and Nuts." says it all about california, doesn't it?

made me chuckle
Having had the "pleasure" of being a military spouse living in Monterey, California for the 2000 election, I feel your pain, Mr. Prelutsky! I also had the temerity to volunteer with the Federation of Republican Women as we worked Voter Registration booths at high brow street fairs. Twerpy little men in $400 sandals would literally spit in anger at these sweet, classy, local Rep ladies!

All in all, the libs were not a pleasant group of snobs, and I was glad to head for the next duty station.

Really enjoyed
I really enjoyed the stories Burt. I hear that line a lot from people who say they dont know a single person that voted for Bush.

We live in a right of center nation. Somehow Liberals have found ways to surround themselves with only other fellow Liberals while conservatives tend to know everyone but do not wear their politics on their sleve in an obnoxious way the way most libs do.

As for Gene, thats a typical liberal response. They allow their emotion to rule and can not have an open and honest discussion about anything. It is a real shame too but I guess if they were able to be able to be rational and discuss things like adults... then they would become conservatives.

Burt please share some more stories, really enjoyed these.

Granola
My own shorthand for the panoply of those on the left side of the political spectrum is "the granola group"--since it consists of the fruits, nuts and flakes of the world.

Liberals????
I once asked an English friend why the most illiberal elements of American society were called "the liberals".

He replied that it was for the same reason that English households with three generations of permanently unemployed under one roof were called "the working class" and made up "the labor vote".

I sometimes refer to such people as "neo-humanists". They have given up on perfecting all of us as we are incorrigibles. But they have declared themselves perfected and therefore not
a higher class of person but a superior form of being.

It is great fun to intrude upon their fantasies.

Wow
That's why I don't talk politics with friends if I can all help it!

Burt
After all that I am surprised that you go out at all anymore. I lived in CA, and in the most liberal part around the bay ares, in the 70s and it wasn't as bad as you describe it here.

I left CA in 77 and it looks like it was agood thing I did.

There is one question that I have though for people still living in CA. Back in the 70s as you drove East from the coast it got more conservative. Is it still that way now or has the entire State liberaled up now?

Great column Burt!
In the early 80's I was on a flight to San Jose and happened to be sitting next to a native Californian. He was obviously a conservative and we chatted about president Reagan.

I commented on him being a rarity in California, whereas he explained "that it wasn't always that way... in the 60's there was a gravitational phenomenom that temporarily tilted the North American continent and consequently all the fruits and nuts from all over the USA rolled into California... the place hasn't been the same since".

I thought that it was a wonderful explanation.

Driving towards California
from northern Nevada some years ago, i passed a huge yellow billboard with a single sentence on it. Fruits and Nuts ahead. I thought it was advertising a roadside stand. No roadside stand ever appeared.

Another EXCELLENT column! :-)


I've said it before, if I were a "somebody" you and Mrs. Burt would be at the top of my "INVITE LIST" for every cocktail and dinner party I ever had!!!


Burt --
Your wife is a lucky woman!

-- And thank you for your support of another great American -- Charlton Heston! It's a sad statement that a man of his great character, who was willing to risk his career and livelihood to speak out -- and very eloquently! -- against declining morals and decency in this country, and in support of our country's Constitution and its laws, even NEEDED to be defended -- especially to a group of smug, self-righteous, holier-than-thou liberals! (WHY are all the GREATS of Hollywood being taken from us, leaving us with the likes of Baldwin, Penn, Sheen, Clooney, Streisand, etc.? -- Perhaps THIS is Purgatory)!???

Signed,
Another lonely conservative voice in the land of fruits, nuts, and Boxer/Feinstein ---
Darlene, San Diego, CA

Good morning Anne
Wouldn't it be great to be a "somebody" and invite people like Dr. Sowell and Burt, and Michelle Malkin and favorite movie stars of your youth to a dinner party? Fortunately, though not as prominent, my dinner party friends do a good job at being just as good at conversation. And of course there are always the original thinkers here.

Savage: Yes, you're right! :-)


When I used to entertain, lots of cocktail and dinner parties, there were always good original thinkers there as well...

But what great stories Mr. & Mrs. Burt would have to share...

The good thing is, the few liberal friends I do have (UGH!) aren't nearly as vile and hateful Burt has encountered.

However, sad to say, my liberal brother would fit in quite well with the CA "typical liberals."







Questions
Does anyone out there remember Al Capp? L'il Abner?

And S.W.I.N.E. - Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything

And Hyideelsport

Al Capp today would survey the landscape and say "Where do I start?"

Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!.......
Anne -- No offense intended, but PLEASE don't send your brother to CA!!! -- we're tipping so far to the left now, that methinks we're in danger of sinking into the Pacific! :o(

Outstanding column
The trouble with hollywood today is there are no men left. In the old days we had many who put their careers on hold and their lives on the line to fight for the country they loved in WW2.

The put on real uniforms and went off to war, unlike today's limp-wristed latte drinkers who denigrate their own country and those that defend her at every opportunity.

One would think that being given the opportunity to make millions by doing nothing but playing dress up, they would be grateful, but they instead become arrogant and elitist.

If that was all I had to contribute, I'd be embarrassed.


Seawolf --
Very well said! ;o)

From the frying pan to the fire
Growing up in California, I always thought it unfair that the fruits & nuts defined the reputation of a whole state, which by and large is made up of regular folks. I'd say the wackos were and still are a very small percent of the population.

Unfortunately, for a state the size of CA, that small percent probably comes out to at least a couple of million moonbats.

Thankfully, I got out of CA back in the eighties. But I ended up in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, so now I've got moonbats plus cold winters.

Good morning to everyone
Stop by Fountain Abbey for my latest blog, on a topic that has the old Friar hopping mad.

I can't believe the cr*p that happens in America today. It's high time for some changes, but not the kind Obama thinks we need. What we need is to change all the liberal lunacy that has been foisted on us over the last forty years or so.

Burt
Burt, your story reminds me of when i read Radical Son by David Horowitz. He told of life long friends that would no longer talk to him because he became a conservitive. That is just unbelievable to me.

I too have a lifelong friend...
who's a lefty. In fact, she's a journalist. We disagree on every political issue, and in 2004 during the Swift Boat Kerry controversy, we got into a real fight about it. I vowed, for the sake of our friendship, that I'd NEVER argue politics with her again. I felt horrible and since our friendship spans over 30 years, I figured it just wasn't worth losing her as a friend, by arguing with her. I've kept that promise to this day. Even when I almost got into it with her recently, while talking about Hillary and Obama, I stopped myself and swallowed my words.

We'll just always agree to disagree. The friendship would be hurt otherwise.

Burt, keep those stories coming. It's nice to hear that your stories are amusing. Keep smiling!

Mom in Wisconsin

Vito
Vito writes:

****At least it's not another TH column about Rev Wright. How much can we take of that?****

Man, the truth really hurts you!

LMAO at another moonbat who "can't handle the truth!"

As always Burt
your column once again points out the difference between liberals and conservatives. The liberals do not do well in the light of the day. I guess it's their smarmy "I'm better than you" elitist attitude that gets me.

Lady X don't worry, there are plenty of fruits and nuts in MN. I guess you could say that we balance out your fruits with our nuts! After all... this is the state that gives you Keith Ellison and Al Franken!


Burt,
Your column and a cup of coffee....nothing better than that!!

Except chocolate, but I can't have that at this hour....

I too, have liberal friends. One in particular is very vocal about the current administration and the war. Never ceases to amaze me how quick she is to shout me down, too! But I can handle it: it's only politics, right??

Thanks for a great start to my day!!

Five stars!!!!!!!!

Vito
I have read several of your posts over the past few days, most of them railing about TH, the stupid columnists and the lack of intellect on the part of most of the people who post here. So what does that say about you, that you continue to log on here and slog through the "tedious" and the "verbal mush"? Are you a masochist? Do you also keep going to bad movies and eating at horrible restaurants? I am sure, possessing the obvious intellect that you do, you know the definition of insanity.

Burt
Great article. I hope you peek thru the posts and see this one. Its pretty funny, at least to me!

I'm sipping a cold one at my local VFW Post. An elderly gentleman was passing around an article from our local NYTimes wanna-be about all the pardons that Bush signed off on.
I ran to the back office and googled a list of all of Clinton's pardons.
When I returned to the canteen area, the elderly gentleman asked me if I had seen this list of Bush pardons. I responded NO, then asked him if he had ever seen this list of Clinton pardons and handed it to him.
He just sat there for what seemed like 30 seconds starring at me with distain in his eyes. I started laughing really hard and finally told the bar-keep to fill his glass before he has a heart attack.
I love this stuff!

Lynn
Vito is the quintessential troll. He is not here to provide any kind of debate or logical argument. He is here to stir up the other posters and get a response. He gets his jollies from people responding to him. He has no life and is a sick person.

YLG/Lynn
morning ladies! I hope its a good one for ya's.

Lynn, go easy on Vito. Carmen told him that he would bust his knee-caps if he didn't sound like a fool right away! As you can see, Vito complied!

Bulldog74
LOL, you grew up in CA and moved to MA, truly you are a masochist. I grew up in GA and went to NY then CA and now am in SC.

I would think with a handle of "Bulldog" you would have moved to GA.

craftyone
oh heck yea there are moonbats everywhere here in MN. Im at the UofMN right now and its ridiculous what you see down there.

Good to hear of another from MN around here...seen a few now.

YLG, SSGT, Vic, et al
Good morning, fellow travelers on the conservative highway. I am flummoxed as to why a person who has nothing good to say about an experience at a place or event or whatever would continue to "haunt" it. Do they expect we will "see the light" if we read their sarcastic and supercilious posts? Most of the time, I scroll right by, when I recognize a post from a person who has obviously ridden the "short bus" all his/her life, but there seem to be new ones popping up all the time. I will add Vito to my list of "scroll-bys."

SSGT
Good morning!!!

Seems like we share similar stories! I was out running errands one day, when I ran into an aquaintance, a former neighbor, at a store in the mall. She had a T-shirt on that said, "Stop the occupation in Iraq." We struck up a conversation, and she asked if we were still in the military. "Of course", I said, and she replied, "Must be tough working against your beliefs." I asked her what she meant, and she went on about the illegality of this war, blah, blah, blah.....So, to shut her up, I asked her to tell me when Clinton asked Congress or the UN to go to Bosnia. And just when we were going to leave....

I haven't seen her since, and I heard she changed her phone number!!

this morning
Got a good bunch strangling the libs this morning on the blogs. Good to see. Good to see.

Check out my blog to get ready for a collection of quotes coming to it soon. This weekend ill have some up and its gonna be awesome! haha

Lynn
Good morning!

Well, Vito comes here to give us his opinion, and to be fair, he is never crude. More like a mosquito in your ear, really.

But I don't understand why he does it, unless he likes to see his words on the screen.

YLG
writes:
"I haven't seen her since, and I heard she changed her phone number!!"

LOL

I thought we told you that facts will blow the minds of the whackos? I'm glad your stubborn!!!
hahaha

SSGT
I'm not stubborn!!!

Having been a lib, I know how they think, so I use it against them. I love being a member of the VRWC.....and having the shirt to prove it!

Libs have no idea how much fun we have over in the Dark Side....HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

YLG
You are far too kind to people who, while not crude, are clearing suffering from a superiority complex, undeservedly so!

YLG
oops, sorry!
I'll take my beat down later! haha

If they only knew how much we laugh at them! Of course, I never met a lib that had a sense of humor anyway!

Lynn, Et Al, it only takes one line
to figure out to scroll by the moonbats. They expose their lack of intellect almost immediately. Saves me much time and allows me to read the intelligent and funny posts by the thinking population.

Burt, great article and stories! I have friends that are just as looney, especially since they are gun owners and very pro-gun. When I ask them about the anti-gun crowd (that is made up of the same looneys they otherwise support) they agree that they are liars about the gun issue. Then I tell them that as they are the same people that they believe in other areas and that they lie just the same in those areas, they simply can't believe that they would lie about what they seem to agree with. Total illogic and they start yelling louder and louder until I "surrender" and stop telling them the ugly truth.

Too funny
How appropriate, a couple of Californians are trying to boycott visitations to our state of Wyoming and influence our elections, because they do not like the way we are managing the wolves they sent to live with us. True fruits and nuts who cannot tolerate any difference of opinion of any kind.

Live! From the Land of Fruits and Nuts
and listen up we make a lot of money on those fruits and nuts, not the liberal kind, they just consume, the real kind.

As to the liberals, not all of California is liberal. San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Monterrey, hold the rest of the state hostage and it is costing us and them. They are just too stupid to realize it yet. So many people are sick of the liberals stupid policies that those who are the real tax payers are leaving in droves only to be replaced by illegals. I was born and raised here but I too will be leaving. If a civil war starts in this country it wouldn't surprise me to see it start here. Conservatives have been working to split the state actually. The water wars are heating up also.

Burt you have the courage of a lion! Good for you, and I must say you are a testament to Charlton Heston. Great column!

Lynn
Honey liberals have no interest in converting anyone, but they do have an interest in eradicating anyone who does not agree with them.


Trouble is they don't have the guts to back it up.


Lolo1
"Live! From the Land of Fruits and Nuts"

Your brave Lolo, very brave! Good morning to ya!

Vito
Is Carmen whacking your knee-caps again?

Lolo
Well said. They also come armed with their own "facts."

Vito
Personally, I don't mind your posts. You are never crude, and that is, for me, a big plus.

However, you accuse some of us of repeating GOP talking points, when you yourself repeat DNC talking points. I can understand you wanting to engage in debate over CFTA, but this article is about liberals in Hollywood. If you wish to discuss liberals in Hollywood, great! If not, then find another column worthy of your argument. Disrupting the topic and making fun of the writer makes you look bad, in my opinion.

Vito
to answer your questions.....no you didn't make any valid points and changing the subject will not work.

Mornin' All
Well, I loved Burt's column today funny stuff, and I wanted to share a story from a very conservative town where libs are the minority.

I pulled up to the Sam's gas station one day during the summer before the 2004 election. Windows were rolled down and I left the radio on tuned to our local conservative talk station. There were at least 12 other cars there all with their windows down all with the radio going to the same station. Then a old honda civic pulls up covered in typical liberal bumper stickers, "my other car is a broom", "Coexist", "Focus on your own D##n family", and of course the obligatory Grateful Dead Dancing Bears. Well, that poor hippy got out of the car and realized what was going on. . .she actually started yelling at us in public calling us "little Eichman's" and the like for good 2-3 minutes. It was great to see that none of us yelled back, we just started laughing. As we laughed she jumped in her car and screeched away, not having purchased any gas.
I am still laughing at her.

Great Story
Beyond the Pale!! I would have liked to have that.

All
I se while I was out doing my morning walk the troll came back and spewed another worthless splash of excrement on the screen. I'll violate my own policy this time because many others have already given him his fix.

To troll Vito

It is obvious you haven't read the article or any of the posts that the people here have made. First off this article has nothing to do with the inane vomit that you posted. 2nd off the inane vomit that you posted does not make any point other than repetition of a lie promulgated by the DNC years ago and refuted every time it comes up. I will not even dignify it by anything.
3rd off if you had been reading posts from real conservatives here at town hall you would see that not only do we NOT repeat RNC talking points, but we think that a lot of the Republican Party is becoming like your commie party.

So take it from me troll; take a hike and go back to that bridge at the DNC that you haunt.

Reality Check, Vito
You sprinkle your pearls of dung on specific columnists daily. You complain and throw your hands up in the air due to the supposed redundancy of their musings.

Hello? Knock knock knock. Hello?

Your postings are so recycled, so predictable, so yawn-esque that I can write you better than you can write yourself.

Were you always the type of guy who when walking into a social gathering, everyone just took one look at you and stopped talking and left?

Here's a hint...Remove the pole from your behind, it's not for recreational use, nor is it considered an accesssory. You might find you will relax better and people will enjoy you more.

California
One of my friends sent me the following quote. (Yes, he's gay, and he's a terrific fellow) He obviously reads other magazines than I so I didn't see this, but it certainly is amusing!

... just read an article about Gavin Newsom, mayor of San Francisco, in The Advocate, the national gay newsmagazine. I thought you'd enjoy this quote: "Only in a city as left as San Francisco could a mayor who championed the rights of gays to marry and holds anti-death penalty, pro-sanctuary city, medical marijuana-supportive, and pro-universal health care positions continue to be viewed as conservative."

Vic
*Begins a slow clap*

Beyond the Pale
Believe it or not, I was a Grateful Dead fan before I became a conservative. I've seen them 43 times and was on stage with them back in '89.

The funny thing about The Dead, is that the majority of their fan base were dirty smelly hippies, and if they weren't so drugged up, they would clearly realize that the Grateful Dead's songs were very patriotic.

They loved America, their guns, their freedoms. Only Micky Hart is one of those radical tree huggy confused rainforest types. But Jerry Garcia and Robert Hunter, the main song writers, were lovers of our country.

Shells
You are correct about the Grateful Dead and don't forget that Jerry Garcia was a supreme capitalist.

Vic, Shells
Please, for the love of all that is holy, post a "spew alert" next time.....

I can't afford to keep making pots of coffee!!!

Vic: Your last line.....my word, that was priceless!!

Shells: Loved the Dead....and I'm the only one of my friends that still listens to their old stuff!

shells
What is really funny is that the original GD stuff was more country than anything. Albums like Terrapin Station broke new ground.

I would say that they were more country than some of the stuff that passes for country now.

...and that doesn't count the "Old and In the Way Album".

Vic
I cannot speak for all of California, but I live between SF and Sacramento. Sometimes the bumper stickers I see on cars make me angry...I think the one that set me off the most was "Operation Enduring Terror"....

Seeing as to how my husband deployed twice in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom AND Operation Enduring Freedom, I was rather hot to have some idiot characterize my wonderful husband as a terrorist. Fortunately for her it was on the highway and I couldn't confront her directly.

Last week we were at a great restaurant and there was a car in the parking lot on our way out that was plastered with anti-military, Impeach Bush etc. etc. etc. So I kindly donated my car (magnet) ribbon that was Red/white and Blue and said Support the Troops.

I have ordered a bunch of similar ribbons (Saying God Bless America) that I will keep with me to apply similar counter arguments to those I see along the way.

We didn't hang around to see the car-owners reaction to his new bumper sticker, but I hope he didn't even notice it for a few days....that would be SWEET.

Burt
Well, the title of your article does not lend itself to civilized discussion. Still, from what I have observed thus far, and I have only perused a small portion of the thread, the discussion would appear to be more or less amiable.

Let us hope it stays that way.

Regardless of what political persuasion we speak from, we should be able to have a civilized discourse.


Righthandedmom
While I don't want to seem like someone who desires to split up a friendship, if you have the need to stifle your beliefs before your journalist friend, I really have to wonder just how much of a "friend" your journalist acquaintance really is. By the way, is this a one-way street: does your journalist friend feel free to openly talk about her political beliefs and feelings while you feel the need to clam up about yours? If so, then I REALLY question the true depth of your friendship.

I personally am reluctant to have committed liberals as friends, because I'm an ex-Californian myself (lived there 15 years before moving away in 2000), and I saw first-hand while I was there how they treated EACH OTHER: it wasn't a pretty picture. Most ardent liberals I've seen, heard, and known personally are pathological liars - and therefore people not to be trusted. Of course, I wouldn't expect differently, because with few exceptions ardent liberals have no real abiding belief in God, and therefore they don't fear an eternal judgment, so what restraint do they have from lying. I've observed them to be by and large people who will betray another for the slightest advantage: as I've said before, with liberals there are only ALLIANCES, never ALLEGIANCES. Well, if they want to be that way, so be it, but let them do that to each other: I don't have to make myself a captive audience for their abuse.

Lolo1
"Lolo1 writes: Friday, May, 02, 2008 10:38 AM
Shells
You are correct about the Grateful Dead and don't forget that Jerry Garcia was a supreme capitalist. "

Correct you are!!! In fact, he was so good with money, that IBM mirrored the same format Jerry Garcia used for the band's 401K plan.

YLG & Vic
I have probably over 300 bootlegs of their concerts, back when they were the Warlocks, and pretty terrible, LOL.

I still listen to them, especially the ones where I actually was there. Aaah...youth...

Vic, Old and In The Way are my favorites! Their bluegrass is incredible.

I also would see the Jerry Garcia Band live, and brought with him 3 gigantic female gospel singers as back up and they sang the stadium down. I still get chills thinking about how sweet that was.

Rightmindedmom
Regarding your post at 8:19, I admire that you put your friendship before politics. Friends are nice to have even if you have differences of opinion. I have the same problem with some family members specifically my brother and sister who suffer from BDS and are both Obama supporters. I avoid arguing politics when I'm around them. When we discuss politics, its usually a civil discussion but I don't know how many times I've had to bite my tongue at some of the things they've said. If I had a million bucks for every time I had to that I'd probably be the richest person in the world.

Liberals are Democrats...
..., see also members of The Peter Pan Party of Perptual Pleasure, and they're frightened about socializing with grownups. Burt being at their social gathering is apparently just too much reality for one evening.

Imagine living the lefty life where your pastor, priest or rabbi is a therapist, and your politicians are your prophets. Whew! Talk about a foundation built on sand!

Another homerun, Burt. 5 stars!

Mrs Paddy
You are looking at those bumper stickers wrong.

See my family and I use those as markers and know to get out of the way when we see cars plastered with stickers. The all about me mentality goes with those stickers and they apply it to the road as well.
Just as they think life is all about them, they also think they are the only one on the road as well and drive in that manner.

So when you see those cars let them pass, or let them eat your dust. whatever you do though get away from them.

YLG
I'm sorry, I got carried away and forgot the spew alert.

Shells

I have not listended to any of my dead albums in a while, but I still put in that "Old And In The Way" thing. I can hear it now:

Panama Red, Panama Red, he'll steal your woman then he'll rob your head....LOL

Mrs. Paddy;

Did you see my earlier post this morning. Does it still get conservative as you move from West to east across the hills into the valley?

PS; I'll be in and out today

Shells
I must admit a fondness for Jerry Garcia neckties and they just haven't been the same since he died.

I have purchased many of them for my husband and they were worth every penny.

Who'-a-thunk it???
A pile of Dead Heads here at Town Hall.

Shells and all fans
of the dead---I know, I know, My husband is also a dead fan. . .

Don't forget the flakes
California is the land of fruits and nuts and flakes.

In PA, Gov. Fast Eddie Rendell officially made PA THE VOTER FRAUD STATE, as well as The Land of Taxes. Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him.

Mr P
Another great article. It's gotta be tough for a con out there in California. Thanks especially for defending an honorable man. There are so few these days. Five stars.

I have a brother
who is a liberal union member. I wrote him a letter showing how the liberal politicians are screwing his union's members in many different ways, and what to do about it. I told him to show it to the membership. I don't believe he did so. I did ask him in the letter if he is more a liberal or a union member. I guess the answer is, a liberal. Too bad, the plan I gave him would have eliminated all the existing taxes and reduced the price of everything by 1/3.

Vic / LOLO
I think there are conservatives around...but I tend to keep my trap shut around most folks as getting into an argument with a liberal is pretty pointless.

Plus, most of the folks I hang out with are theatre people, so there is a higher incidence of Liberal thought there (or "progressive") depending upon who you talk to LOL.

The thing is, other than the support the troops/ retired military/ or similar magnets on cars, Conservatives seem not to want to plaster their cars with bumper stickers as much as Liberals. (This is just my observation, and certainly not scientific)

I want to get a magnetized bumper sticker that says NO FOOD FOR OIL OR I 'heart' my carbon footprint

Also, you can get some interesting 'clings' at The PatriotShop (The Patriot Post), if you are interested.

Lolo: If only bumper stickers were the marker for dangerous drivers. In general (no offense) but I despise California Drivers. I felt safer driving in Turkey, at least there they don't pass you on the right, and the roads were better.

So,maybe you are on to something. If the aggression and stupidity on the road is an indicator of liberal thought...then California has a preponderance of liberals. LOL

Who voted for nixon


It’s often been said that Pauline Kael, a writer for the New Yorker Mag, when told Nixon won the election said, "How can that be? No one I know voted for Nixon!"

The quote is sometimes cited by conservatives, as an example of allegedly clueless New York liberal insularity. This is often used by Republicans to demonstrate how out of touch liberals are with the real world.

Someone on Google claims she never said it, but it sounds just like a New Yorker of most any occupation. Even if they happen to be a conservative, they must act like a liberal, just to walk down the street and not be attacked.

It's amazing how many ridiculous, stupid, ignorant, inefficient, obnoxious people you will meet, when you walk down the street in New York City.


Vic-Lolo-YLG-Ssgt-Shells-SDog-Others
I threw ANY & ALL Liberals under the bus as far as being friends years ago. Most of them were gutless, liars with a borderline addiction problem. I remember one SUPPOSEDLY close friend who slipped his phone number to my girlfriend at the time. She told me and I confronted him, his response was, ‘Everyone cheats!” I had him 2 feet off the ground with a firm grip on his throat when his/our Liberal friends pulled me away. ALL of them said I was wrong, I told them what I thought of them and she and I walked out. Recently I ran into one of this crowd at Wal-Mart. He walked a WIDE circle around me:)!

Vic, The Central Valley seems like ANOTHER COUNTRY compared to SF, La-La-Land, etc.

Mrs Paddy
Let me put it this way.

When I go to the Central Valley to visit my folks I don't have 1/10th the problems on the road. I also don't see the bumper stickers. People are courteous for the most and practice good manners on the road such as not cutting you off, obeying the speed limit, and actually waiting and let you out of a parking lot when there is heavy traffic. Even my daughter when she was in grammar school noticed the difference long before she ever started driving.

The Central Valley is primarily conservative.

Standhisground/Sheepdog
Being friends with a lefty/liberal friend is more than just politics. We have very similar backgrounds -- know each other's extended families, she is my son's Godmother/Sponsor. There is more to life than our political opinions, so I keep mine on the back burner when I'm around her now. It's not too difficult. We have much more to talk about that we have in common. Our political differences just hurt our lifelong friendship. She won't change my opinions, and I won't change hers, so they're best left unsaid. Thanks for the understanding, Sheepdog.

Mom in Wisconsin

Mrs Paddy
P.S. with regards to today's headline your "No food for oil" bumper sticker is a good idea.

Sign me up as long as it's magnetic.

jim
Odd that you posted that because it was my first thought when I read Burt's column.

I often think people's public persona is much different in private.

Beyond the Pale
I didn't want to discount your experience with the hippies, not one bit. As a majority, they were and probably still are leftist anti-war smelly idiots.

It almost embarrasses me that I was part of it. I mean, I shaved, had a full time job, was responsible, I ate MEAT, and I appreciated the many uses of soap--so I wasn't like them.

I knew the Dead lyrics were patriotic in certain songs, and like YLG said, they were the ultimate capitalists.


Vic
Yes! As you move from west to east California gets more conservative.

The reason for that is liberals love to live in the most scenic places on earth and ruin it for everyone else. Conservatives like to make money and don't mind hard work hence the reason the Central Valley is the 'bread basket' of the world.

However, due to creeping incrementalism that is changing because conservatives are fed up with illegal immigration and liberals have made it impossible to retire in this state due to liberal taxes and high cost of living.

Lolo
Red Bluff and Oakdale are 2 of the NICEST TOWNS I have EVER been in.

"Odd" and proud of it


Lolo1 writes: Friday, May, 02, 2008 9:50 AM
The water wars are heating up also.
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What a wonderful solution to our fuel problem, no more gas water heaters will be needed, the politicians will heat it by the use of hot air. Hooray.

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Lolo1 writes: Friday, May, 02, 2008 12:18 PM
jim
Odd that you
----------------

What do you know about me that is not odd?

Like for example, the words “dead” and “music” are being thrown around on this site, and the only connection I can see between those two words, is that the MUSIC stopped when Fred Waring DIED.

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As for spending time with conserves and libs, listening to Rush is like listening to the mirror. What little time I spend listening to talk radio is the Hate American Radio Network. That comes under the heading, “Know the enemy.”


Vic, Lolo1
Vic--The "Bulldog" handle is unrelated to UGa, but although I've only passed through Georgia, I liked what I saw (how did they EVER manage to come up with Jimmy Carter?!)

Lolo1--I'd bet that you or your folks have experienced what I encountered from my L.A. friends when I lived in the Central Valley for a couple of years, namely the rolling of the eyes, the snide curling of the lip and the faux-redneck accent whenever I mentioned "Bakersfield" or "Fresno."

Lolo/Georgetwin
Thanks, that was what I wanted to know. That's the way it was back in the 70s and I wondered if it was still that way. The only problem was then that if you weren't a farmer (are associated) there wasn't much work in the valley, particularly in the field I was in.

And BTW, I didn't think CA drivers were any worse (or better) than drivers I have seen all over the country.

Pro from Dover
Hmmmm... I seem to remember that the P from D. was a character in the original MASH, which we all know Burt is intimatly familiar with. Is that you lurking in the wings Mr. P.?
Always a pleasure, by the way.

Mrs Paddy
If you don't want to get passed in the right lane, then get in the right lane and stay there. The left lane is for passing and making turns, only. There is no cruising in the left lane. I hope this helps.

Vic
California drivers....you are probably right. I can only observe that the pace was much calmer and more 'polite' if you will, when we drove in NC recently. It was a refreshing change from here. But there are bad drivers everywhere.


Vic - re: California
California is basically liberal along the coast and conservative inland. Overall, this puts it into the blue column in most national elections, due to the influence of the large cities on the coast. As recently as 1999, California had a conservative governor, and for 24 of the 32 years from 1967 to 1999 had conservative Republican governors.

CVN65
Obviously you've never driven out here. I'm not the one that 'cruises' in the fast lane, but thanks for the chuckle.

Liberalism = A Mental Disorder
Mr. Prelutsky,
Your article hit home. Some of my family are in the entertainment business in LA. All are politically to the Left of Lenin. They consider me to the Right of Hitler & Attila the Hun. But we get along by avoiding discussing politics or “sensitive” topics such as the war, welfare, immigration, or guns. However we no longer accept invitations to their parties, as their other guests, also in “the business”, are all intolerant ultra lefties. Several years ago at one such party, I got into an argument over guns with a well known anti 2ed Amd. “celebrity”. Rather than allow it to escalate and embarrass my relatives, my wife and I left. My wife is somewhat awed by the “glitterati”, and therefore disappointed we no longer attend some family events. But she understands. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to reason with these people. They’re the poster children for the saying: “Liberalism is a Mental Disorder”.

Georgetwin
I find it interesting that you would run across this liberal you used to be friends with at a WalMart. Given how much the left demonizes and denigrates WalMart, I wonder why this liberal you knew would deign to shop there. Although to ask the question is to answer it: another thing I have found to be true of ardent liberals, with few exceptions, is that when their stated belief system would inconvenience them PERSONALLY, they feel free to ignore their beliefs. After all, what concessions to global warming do you see in Al Gore's OWN lifestyle - or that of any other of the global warming loudmouths on the left? In fact, as far as I'm concerned, a lot of ardent liberals are little more than commissars-in-training.

Bulldog74
They did that while I was in CA so I can claim ignorence.

alright already

You confirm again what the others are posting. It is still conservative when you get away from the concrete jungle on the coast. It was the same way in New York. In upstae where I was at it was faily conservative except at Skidmore. Mostly upstate NY is farming community and is conservative.

StandsHisGround
Liberal Math explains most Liberal Pathologies:
Losing=Winning
Feelings=Facts
Style=Substance
Intentions=Results

Notice they try to EQUATE EXACT OPPOSITES (Losing=Winning). Notice they try to pair the changeable with the immutable (Feelings=Facts, Style=Substance). Lastly they try to gloss over their failures by saying it there are NO ABSOLUTES (Intentions=Results). Being a Liberal is HARD WORK. Living up to your prejudices & pathologies while suffering from addiction must be EXHAUSTING!

Mrs. Paddy
Funny you should mention CA driving--at one time (a long time ago now) CA had a reputation for having among the most knowledgeable and polite drivers anywhere. No longer true, of course. I was shocked the last couple of times I've been out there--speeding, unsafe lane changes and running red lights seems to be a signature move now.

Where's a sociologist when we need one, I'd like to see if there's a correlation between the Golden State's political/cultural trends and the demise of good driving.

Dead Freaks Unite at TH!
As I listen to a fantastic SBD recording of 11/30/73, Boston Music Hall, I come across this thread! YLG, I knew I wasn't the only PuertoRican Deadhead, thank you for validating my thought. Vic, I don't know where you live, but Grisman and Rowan (unfortunately not together) are on tour right now (I'll be catching Grisman the 23rd in NYC). Shells, 300, come on man, you've got some work to do! I admit, I am too young to have seen them live. Thankfully, Phil and Bobby are still out there doing their thing and Dark Star Orchestra are the best d**n coverband I've ever seen (even if $30 bucks is a little steep for a cover band).

"Wave that flag, wave it wide and high!"

Shells
I meant to add thi link to my last post:
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Aetree% 20AND%20creator%3A%22Grateful%20Dead%22

I don't know what kind of connection you have, but if you want to go from 300 to 3000 shows, here it is. Many of them are soundboard recordings. I know its not the same as an authentic bootleg or audience recording, but if you're willing to trade a little nostalgia for a whole lot of sound quality, this is the way to go.

a breath of fresh air
Burt keep up the good work. You are a needed reprieve from usual blah blah on TH. You have a knack to get your point across and make us laugh while ponting out the narrow-mindness of the west coast liberals. I must admit it is sometimes tiresome reading some columnist and totally frustrating to see some left wing weenie dominate the board by getting the readers to debate instead of ignoring him. That said, TH is the best at what it does.

Shells
Wasn't a "Dead" fan but your reference to "Old and in the Way" caused my post. I was a wanna be hippie but my Dad had a few other ideas while I lived at home and since I won the big ol draft lottery, Unca Sugar commanded my time for a while longer. By the time I got out my hair had departed and "long hair" was a dream of the past. Didn't Know Garcia was such an accomplished banjo player until I started learning it myself. There was another set of tapes he recorded called the Pizza tapes that are great also.

Fun column Burt as always.

Pollywog
The Pizza tapes are fantastic. What a great story behind it too. It was supposed to be a private jam session but a pizza delivery boy steals the tapes from Garcia and distributes it to the fans.

Lolo
I just thought of something on your earlier post. If you are thinking of leaving CA for retirement come on East. GA is probably the best (central or south GA) and then SC is maybe next depending on the county.

Taxes are going up every where but here they are still fairly low.

Lolo
BTW; if you sell a house or condo in SF you can buy a mansion here with the procedes. Where I am at houses are going for about $100/Sf with a half acre lot in a nice subdivision outside the city limits

Inside the city limits is cheaper.

Vic
So you're in SC. Looks like the closest any of the OAITW boys are coming to you is Grisman in Asheville, NC in August.

Bulldog74
I like it! I think there is a positive correlation between rude/bad drivers and liberal thought. Maybe we could get a grant to study it!?? ;-}

LeftRudyRight
If we get anywhere close to Ashville my wife wants to go to Biltmore so I generally avoid it.

http://www.biltmore.com/g_fof.asp?CMP=KNC-Google&HBX_PK=bil tmore&HBX_OU=50


Dead on, Burt, as usual.
I've had similar experiences here in L.A. Goes with the territory. Keep 'em coming.

Another Red Man in the Blue State
I grew up in LA and I moved away. Sound Familiar? The end of the story and the beginning of my Red Man activism came with having to move back due to the stinky IT job market in San Diego during the 80's. I decided that I wasn't going to take any blue crap and I am very outspoken on certain issues that label me as a conservative and cause liberals to become deranged. I enjoy tiking off the liberal dufus crowd and I try to do that every day. I advertize that I am a card carrying member of the NRA and that frosts their genes (pun intended) big time. But not any of them have the balls to challenge me to a duel. The funnies never stop. I rather like the smell of burning liberal brain cells in the morning.

Off topic
If anybody sees GunnyG around....I've honored his request for a song about run-away spending in DC. check it out! My blog.

Gotta go for now, but I'll check back later!

Great day on the Red Planet
As a group, the reds have shown conclusively that BO Stinks and the liberal Wright is just plain wrong. I am very proud of you all.

Oh Noble Prelutsky
Thanks, Burt; way to elevate discussion in this country.

TH comment threads certainly don't spend enough time in name-calling and quasi-ethnic hatred over which side is dumber or more hypocritical or beats their wives more often.

You've really convinced me of the fundamental civility of conservative thought by telling one-sided stories about people you don't like.

Or, perhaps, you have nothing important to say?

Sorry, Vic
Sorry to hear that, Vic. I'd heard about that Biltmore place before, but that link really made me glad my girlfriend had never heard of it when we were in Asheville a couple of years ago. Thanks for the warning. For your sake, I hope Grisman or Rowan find some more time for their Southern brothers and sisters in bluegrass on their next tour.

MarsBar
Welcome to Ground Zero of The VRWC.

All you have to do is read.
The blues posting to this column and you validate my quest. My little post will be sure to get the blue's panties in a bunch. And that doppler effect, my friends, is real entertainment. Who says Hollywood can't be funny anymore? They all crack me up.

It is also very funny how the LA Valley blues are so 'green' even when driving their Hummers and Expeditions all over town.

California
"By their deeds (and words) shall ye know them."
Donald W. Bales

Ok I'll bite - VRWC?
Georgetwin - The true meaning of VWRC escapes me. Please explain to my febble intellect. Do you mean Very Real World Conversation? I don't get it. Thanks in advance for your reply.

MarsBar
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

You Are Welcome!

CKHustler
glad to know ya. It's really hard to have an intelligent conversation here. (I mean MN) After all you can only talk about the weather for so long. By the way, can you imagine how cold it would be if we weren't in the middle of global warming? Some snow is predicted for Sat.

Know the U of M well, full of fruits, nuts AND flakes. Sometimes more flakes than fruits or nuts! My husband worked there for eleven years in the ROTC.

By the way, I forgot to mention Jessie (The Bod) Ventura. Still, I think I'd take him over Ellison or Franken. Jessie said one thing that I totally agree with and I'll never forget. A snomobiler was killed when he tried to ride his snomobile across open water on a lake. Jessie was asked if he would support a law to prevent that kind of tragedy. He said and, I'm paraphrasing here, "No, that's just natures way of weeding out the stupid." It was worth having him in office just to hear that.

Jim
"What little time I spend listening to talk radio is the Hate American Radio Network."

Oh, so YOU'RE the one!

Folks it is time
for me to drop out.

Ya'll be good.

Disreagard the other driver


In many cities in Europe, and in the United States, people just don’t pay much attention to speed limits, the needs, or the desires of other drivers on public streets.

For example people will be driving at 50 mph,
on a street with a posted limit of 30 mph, and regardless of how much I blow the horn, they won’t move over and let me pass.

(Los Angeles, Calif; Rome, Italy)


The Half of It
I enjoy the comments on this thread. Longtime Grateful Dead fan. And lifelong conservative, my work brought me to the Loony Land (CA) in 1986.

I live in the Los Angeles area and am surrounded by moonbats who think they are normal.

This state is governed by socialists, Arnold tries but is unable to do much. The hypocrisy is rampant, and at times very funny.

One outraged lib feminazi hurled a great epithet at me in a class, stating: You are an ignorant, uneducated, knuckle-dragging Neanderthal.

Yall keep a close watch on CA. The libs who outvote all us cons have given away the store. We have a broken state budget with built-in deficits that increase as revenue increases.

Thanks to libs, CA has an outdated infrastructure (roads, rail lines, ports, bridges) that is horribly crowded already and getting worse by the day. No water, electric power, housing, or education, but lots of crime, and coddled illegals.

And Ahnold the idiot wants to turn our state into a hydrogen heaven, after making it a solar cell showplace. Neither technology makes a lick of sense.

Obama quit your attacks
I don't understand why Obama continues to damage his Mentors' career?

Obama will discard anyone I guess.

Wright hasn't abandoned Obama.

Wright is standing up for his beliefs even while under attack from Obama.

Wright is showing more character than Obama - he isn't throwing his grandmother under the bus.

Duuuuude
The Dead, how cool is that? Man, I like saw the Dead the night before I left for Viet Nam. At least I think it was Viet Nam. I know it was the Dead though, how cool is that?


Retired Geek
BO has been running over so many people with his bus it's going to need a new bumper soon. Did you see the look on Michelles O's face the other day? She looked like her best friend just died. I don't know if she's more PO'd at Barack of Wright. What do you think?

craftyone
jessie was actually a good governor. If he had better foreign affair beliefs he would be great as pres as well. he was on Fox about a month back talking about the economy and the war.

new post
if anyone needs to waste a bit more time, check out my blog. I started a collection of quotes from the founding fathers. part 1 of 4 is out now.

I happen to like Solar Cells
De Governator is not my fav but the program to put Solar Panels on unused industrial building roofs is a good one. Those solar cells being installed in CA's eastern inland counties will power 180,000 homes by next year at this time. The additional benefit is that it will cost far less to power those homes using solar than any other existing technology other than maybe geothermal or hydro. That is what I call an innovative, short term energy solution using the appropriate, cost effective technology. Guess who had the idea?

MarsBar
If you want a great alt. energy source you could put a doom over the Capital building. The gas coming out of there could cut our import needs in half.

I WAS BORB IN SACRAMENTO
but moved to the midwest after my dad passed on from polio. Around this farming community California is known as the GRANOLA STATE!
Take away the nuts and the fruits and all ya have left is the FLAKES!

That is so true
Mr M Coupe -
How true. Gas bags one and all. But I am afraid we will create another dependency an unreliable and expensive energy source that pollutes more than it helps. Not very cost effective or environmentally safe, either.

MarsBar
Did you know that Nancy P. spent over $650,000 to convert the Capital building to low-e lighting and that didn't include the bulbs. Isn't nice to see your tax dollars at work?

Come to the real California
... Burt. You hang with the wrong crowd. Blue California is one tremor away from being fish food -- run for the hills, man!

But Red California is out here in all its glory, confounding generations of Fruits and Nuts from El-Lay, the Bay Area, and the I-80 Mafia with our work ethic, pickup trucks, homeschooling, and crusty independence from Sacramento.

2004. My first national election as a resident of California. (I'm an Okie born; ironic, huh?) The local Democrats in our Inland Empire burg set up shop in a grand old Victorian mansion, tidy and imposing. Approximately two cars -- the same two cars -- day after day inhabited the rather sizable parking area into which the front yard had been carved. A peaceful silence reigned over the establishment.

The Republican HQ was in a little 1910-ish bungalow that had, until weeks before, hosted the publisher of the local Yellow Book, who went into receivership and had to vacate. There was no parking to speak of -- volunteers and visitors made that part up as they went along. People were going in and out every time you went by, though. The standard bungalow porch was occupied by old-timers in veterans' ballcaps, waving and jawing with all comers. There was a weekly event on the front lawn with a guitar, an accordion, and baked goods, as voters were registered and signs and stickers distributed. It was hilarious -- Hollywood's idea of "real people being real," down to the folks in wheelchairs. Except it was the Republicans.

Fruits and Nuts are conservatives too. :-)

MarsBar
VRWC stands for "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy'

Global Warmth
Nope, I'm definitely not Burt. I don't remotely have his writing skill, creativity or his great wit. But thanks.

When seeing the screen version of MASH, I was entertained very much. It was a hoot. Some of the characters in the movie reminded me of a few buddies I served with during my military service. Unlike the movie, we took our work seriously, but we sure did have fun at times.

Like the time a bound-up (think about it) rear echelon first sergeant ordered us to burn the crap in the latrine (ask a Nam vet what that means). We were a small team of recon paratroopers passing through his area on a mission and we were definitely NOT supposed to do rear echelon chores for some REMFs. This sergeant said he hated paratroopers, he referred to us as "cowboys", and he said we could take care of this nasty job for his company (of clerks).

We blew it up with C-4, and then split for the airbase to continue on our mission. Of course, we "borrowed" his jeep to get there.

The Pro from Dover

tell me, tell me

Would one of you solar or wind nuts tell me what you are going to do when the sun isn't shining, and the wind isn't blowing.

You never mention that.

Tell me again

And I forgot to ask, how many years does it take for a wind machine or a solar panel to pay back all the costs involved in getting one made, and installed.

And by the way, how much gasoline and oil is needed to produce the material, and transport it, and on and on … … … … .

I remember the man who owned and operated a campgound in Greece. He was bragging about the free hot water he got, but then when I asked for the initial cost, and the need to make major repairs after only about 5 years, he had a strange look on his face.

He agreed his hot water was far from free.

solar power and wind power
will never give what we need. Nuclear people! its about just as clean as well...heck we could fit all of our nuclear waste in the entire world inside one gym. we should just shoot a rocket out full of that stuff. Or are we worried about the environment of the infinite? Nuclear is by far the best way to generate energy with our current technologies.

First time poster, long time reader
Hi Burt!

You're one of my favorite colimnists on TH. I've been reading TH for several years, but this is the first time I've ever posted anything.

First, let me say that I'm a native Californian. I'm also in "showbiz" as an occupation. I was the drummer for The Electric Prunes, back in '66-'67. Our biggest hit was "I Had Too Much To Dream (Last Night)." I also played drums for Dobie Gray, Linda Ronstadt, Beach Boys, James Brown and Bo Diddley, among many others. I'm also an arch conservative and proud of it.

I too, get into regular political debates with liberals and Democrats, due to the over abundance of them in the music biz. I am often shunned at social gatherings once it's discovered that I'm a conservative. Often my employers are liberals.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one living here, working in the entertainment field, that's a conservative. It's lonely!

By the way, my two sons-in-law are active duty military. One is a Sgt in the Army, served two tours in Iraq and won the Bronze Star with combat V. The other is in the Marine Corps serving his second tour in Iraq now.

Thanks Burt, for making my day with this article

Preston

Be good to your liberal friends
for a duck could be somebody's mother


Be good to your liberal friends
Cause they might wake you up one November morning.


Be good to your liberal friends
cause they might be running your new state radio.

There ARE lot s of conservatives in CA
In fact, Republicans account for 38% of all registered voters compared to 25% nationwide and they are more conservative than the average Republican. It's just that there is no Republican PARTY in CA and all of the local politics is dominated by the most liberal Democrats. BTW, the Hollywood crowd makes for lousy clients if you're in my business. The vast majority of them spend vastly more money than they make trying to act the part of successful Hollywood mogul and they are invariably insane. If there one group of people who are more weasely, it would be politicians.

None
You might want to link up with Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs. He's a former jazz musician turned blogger extraordinaire (played key role in joining forces with Powerline to take down Dan Rather over the "fake but accurate" memogate affair). You're not alone.

None
God bless your sons-in-law and thanks to them for their service. Thanks for another conservative in Governator land. BTW, I remember your song very well indeed!

Fruits and Nuts
Burt and I have become friends of sorts. Well, sorta I guess.

I'm trying to think of something we have in common but all I can come up with is we are both a tad overweight and we like to laugh at other people. Other than that, I'm clueless.

Burt gambles, I don't. I play jazz bass, Burt doesn't, Burt plays tennis, I'm not at all athletic. I have my own wood shop, Burt doesn't. I'm a hard core Ron Paul supporter, Burt kinda likes Mc Maniac I think.

Perhaps it's because we have had the exact same life's experiences together but only different. For example: Burt knows fruits and nuts in California. I know rednecks in Arkansas. Both of these extreme opposites are whacked out. Totally like each other. Only different.

What is it that draws people like us together? Is it opposites attract? Or is it morbid curiosity? It seems to happen all the time, doesn't it?

Take my wife (please). No two people are more opposite than we two and yet I'd catch a bullet for that women. And she has proved over and over again that she would do the same for me. If that isn't love then what is?

Anyway, if it ain't broke don't fix it. For what ever reason we are mutually like able and I like it that way. I wouldn't change a thing.

Here's to ya Burt! Viva La Difference!

Tommy~

Lack of Intelligence ...
It doesn't require facts to be a liberal. Just a lack of knowledge and intelligence. And a belief you are right, regardless of the facts.

I am a Conservative and I disagree
with one thing you said. Namely, that supporting the war is a Conservative ideal. Starting wars has always been the province of Democrats and Liberals, who think they know best how to run everything, from our families to our schools to the rest of the world. As a Conservative American, my part is to stand for the liberty granted to Americans here at home by our CONSTITUTION. That document used to be sacrosanct and fervantly defended by Conservatives, who today, sadly use it for toilet paper.

We should be minding our own business, and as for defending oil, the price per barrel has gone up more than 500% since 2002.

No one who defends this war of no purpose and great cost has the right to call himself a Conservative. Conservatives believe in fiscal responsibility and individual rights.
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