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Friday, January 18, 2008
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Tarnished Silver Screen
by Burt Prelutsky
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Some years ago, I was a movie reviewer. I started out at UCLA, reviewing for the Daily Bruin, and then moved on to be the first critic for Los Angeles magazine. All told, I stuck it out for about a dozen years.

I was always struck by the fact that my readers would insist that I never liked movies, even after I’d just written a rave about, say, “The Apartment” or “Some Like It Hot.” The fact of the matter is that pans are simply more memorable than raves. For instance, I have friends who still recall after 40 years that in summing up “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang,” a god-awful Dick Van Dyke vehicle, I wrote that it started off with a bang, but ended up chitty.

I finally had my fill when every other movie seemed to be a bad comedy starring Jerry Lewis or some piece of tripe directed by a 25-year-old shmoe who figured that all he had to do was stick the camera behind a fern to be mistaken for the next Hitchcock or Billy Wilder.

What I didn’t realize at the time was that, all in all, I had had it pretty good. But it took seeing a rash of movies recently to drive that point home. At least back then, the inflated egos of the director and the star didn’t make it inevitable that every movie would run well over two hours.

As a rule, I don’t go out to see more than 10 or 12 movies a year, whereas in my reviewing days I’d easily see that many in a month. This past year was fairly typical until, like all the other members of the WGA, I received a slew of DVDs from the studios looking to garner writing awards.

Now, understand they’re not sending us the usual assembly line dreck that they’ve been letting loose since last January. These are their treasures, the movies that are likely to be Oscar contenders, God help us.

To be fair, I had seen some decent movies in theaters. I had seen “American Gangster,” which was okay, although it is not close to being in a class with “The Godfather,” as the ads would have had us believe. I did enjoy “Lars and the Real Girl,” although I can understand why some people didn’t. I thought it was funny, and I thought “Enchanted” was charming. From what I’ve seen, movies that are funny or charming are in dismally short supply.

This brings us to the DVDs. To begin with, the only one I totally enjoyed was “Juno,” which I found to be funny and charming. I’d be perfectly happy if it made a clean sweep of the Oscars, although, speaking as a betting man, I suspect it won’t win any.

I’m not sure if the French film, “The Diving Bell and the Butterfly,” was really any good. It might be that my expectations of a movie about a stroke victim who’s lost the ability to speak were so low that the mere fact I could hang on to the end made it seem better than it was.

I thought “No Country for Old Men” was simply god-awful. Because the Coen brothers, who manage to give new meaning to self-indulgent, have concocted a movie that is extremely violent and totally pointless, the critics have labeled it a modern masterpiece. Movie critics, nearly without exception, are as gullible as the O.J. jury.

These same critics also gave multiple thumbs-up to “There Will Be Blood.” This is another very long, violent movie that also makes no sense at all. My idea of Hell is having to sit through this and “No Country for Old Men” on a double bill. Everyone is talking up Daniel Day-Lewis, the star of “There Will Be Blood,” for an Academy Award. I find that a little odd because throughout the entire movie he sounds exactly like John Huston in “Chinatown.” Maybe the point of this homage was that whether a man’s insatiable greed is for water or oil, he will inevitably wind up with the exact same voice.

Another problem I had with the movie is that it’s extremely dark. I don’t mean its subject matter, I mean its lack of illumination. It’s one thing when the action, such as it is, takes place below ground level, but even after the villain is very rich and living in a mansion, it appears that he can’t afford anything but 20 watt bulbs.

Frankly, I wasn’t expecting much from “Sweeney Todd,” not being a fan of director Tim Burton or star Johnny Depp. What I did expect -- especially in a musical -- is that I’d be able to understand the dialogue and the lyrics. The truth is, after wasting 20 minutes trying to figure out what the heck Depp and Helena Bonham Carter were saying and singing, I simply threw in the towel. My wife, who stuck it through to the end, reports that every five minutes or so somebody got his throat cut.

For what it’s worth, two friends of mine who have been active in motion pictures, claimed the reason I couldn’t figure out what was being said was because the sound mixing was so bad. That doesn’t surprise me. Tim Burton is so concerned about the way his movies look that he pays scant attention to anything else. However, I think that this time around he had a hand in the hair styling, as both Mr. Depp and Ms. Carter wore theirs the same odd way that Mr. Burton wears his.

That brings us to “The Kite Runner,” which, unlike most of the others, had something to say about actual human beings. The only drawback was that it had a tedious second act and, so, it seemed to take a terribly long time saying it.

Some years ago, my wife, who goes to many more movies than I do, observed that scenes taking place in public restrooms had become commonplace. That struck me as highly unlikely, but I soon discovered that she was right. At one point, in fact, I saw four or five movies in a row and each one of them had a conversation or a fist fight taking place in a men’s room. I don’t know in what parallel universe these movie makers dwell, but not only have I never seen a fist fight in a bathroom, but I’ve rarely heard two words spoken in such places.

For my part, what I’ve been noticing is that a fair number of movies have adopted the rape of males as a plot device. Whereas I don’t recall its ever being employed during the first 25 years or so that I was seeing movies, I have now come across it in “Deliverance,” “Prince of Tides,” “The Shawshank Redemption,” “Mystic River” and now “The Kite Runner.” That doesn’t include “Brokeback Mountain,” where sodomy was the order of the day, but at least it was consensual.

To tell you the truth, I find myself longing for the good old days when every movie didn’t last close to three hours and a guy could be humiliated and still keep his pants on.

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Good stuff
Boy, I can't believe that I had to read through 2/3's of the comments before someone mentioned

The Princess Bride.

Others of note:

Love and Death
What's Up, Tiger Lily?
Big Trouble in Little China
Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
Anything with Buster Keaton
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum
The Incredibles
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
The Matrix
The Day the Earth Stood Still

A list
of favorites? I have loved some of the older movies as well as some of the newer ones. I personally don't watch a movie (or TV) for a moral lesson. So here is my list of favorites:

Christine
The Toxic Avenger
Blazing Saddles
Johnny Dangerously
The Princess Bride
Leon
Good Guys Wear Black
The Apple Dumpling Gang
Alien
It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

Favorite Movie Quote:
"For a minute there, I thought I was gone with the Schwinn!"

ca
As you said, Gunny can't be a troll since he is conservative. In additon, I hardly equate wishing a generic someone a non-good day is the equivalent of Hal's little bombs. Gunny, and myself for that matter, will go on the hard attack periodically but these attacks are provoked.

The problm with Hal is that this is his NORMAL behavior pattern. His posts, almost without exception, are bombasting anti-Bush venom or anti-Iraq venom. It doesn't matter what the subject of the column is. When someone comes back to answer him it shortly degenerates into back and forth blasts of venom with non of it having to do with the column and Hal is then succesful in his original intent.

And that intent is to disrupt the discussion. There are several others who fit this same mold. If it were left up to me these people would be permanently barred via internet address lock-out vice name and e-mail address.

vic regarding trolls
All of that was well and good until 18:39 when one of our odious trolls showed up and beginning dropping bombs that were totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.
-------------------

I totally agree with your view on people coming here to simply cause trouble. I would just like to add that I think that is true for those on both sides of the political fence here (and at the liberal equivalents of TH). I suppose we can't call GunnyG a troll since s/he is conservative and therefore part of the target audience of TH but his/her contributions to this thread are pretty much the equivalent of, say, Hal Donahue's contributions above. Please note GunnyG's post from 8:11:

"Other than that, hope everyone except the liberals are having a good Saturday."

Yeah, that is real nice, especially in a thread where we have pretty much all gotten along. I do hope most here don't mind the liberals that come to TH that honestly want to find out what the other side thinks, debate ideas with those that aren't just parroting their own opinions, and even occasionally change their mind on individual issues. And sometimes I just want to chat about good movies. I know that's why I come here. It is a turn-off, however, to be called "leftist vermin" and to be wished a bad Saturday! Basically, I just hope that the majority here realize that not all liberals visiting TH are trolls.

On that note, I'd like to wish everyone a good weekend, even GunnyG and Hal.

Burt - to return to your point...
--
...(as threads about movies tend to go rogue in the direction of posts about subjects like favorites from years past), this year - 2007 - has been typified by numbers of genuinely toxic releases that the studios are pushing as candidates for awards.

Not being the theatrical moviegoer I once had been (between cataracts, retinopathy, and a diabetic's bladder, the ever-more-pricey megaplex theater seat doesn't yield the value I'd once gotten), I'd gotten to see only a couple of the "big" films of 2007, and with particular emphasis on "No Country for Old Men" they drove me enthusiastically back to my DVD player.

It's seldom nowadays that I agree with you on much of anything, but I was pleased to see that there's at least *ONE* member of the Writers' Guild Apparat who reads the same sort of ghodawfulness in that gleamingly polished turd ("like a dead mackarel in the moonlight, it both shines and stinks") that I perceived.

It was like assisting in an autopsy. Cold, dead flesh under close examination for hour after hour, with not the faintest hope of finding anything for the patient except misery and regret.

("CSI" junkies, I've found, have never actually *done* - or even witnessed - a real post-mortem. Even setting aside the smell, it's the *FEEL* of the tissues in your gloved hands that tends to stay with you in your nightmares. Memories of surgical pathologies are balmy by comparison.)

Knowing now that you're an ex-movie reviewer, however, I consider you under obligation to make more frequent comments in your future columns about what you see and hear of this medium.

Having now revealed the fact that you're a WGA member *AND* you can see something like "No Country for Old Men" as the glossy pile of dung it really is, you cannot expect your readers to let your critical faculties in this area to go un-exercised any longer.

Sorry 'bout that.

--

Folds
I'm off to the polls to vote for Fred. back in a few.

MM
I am a bit of a tech geek also. I've been in electronics my whole life. Score the highest score on the ET/ST in boot camp so they made me a Machinst Mate LOL.

I haven't been into the electronic stuff as much lately because like I said yesterday, finances are a little tighter now than they used to
be.

I haven't looked in a while but I thought the LCDs were U.S. technology also. Most of the true inovations are U.S. technology but they wind up getting licensed to the Japanese because U.S. management has become so "sequal" oriented. They currently look at what improves the short term bottom line vs what improves long term. Ok, my rant is over.

Gunny I hear you. As I said early in this thread, I watched a lot of the new stuff this Christmas with relatives. The best thing (IMO) that we watched was an old Disney musical cartoon from 1948.

Vic
Vic, you're right, and I'm one of the worst for doing that!

Justification: They deserve it!

But I regards to this thread, I've been buying used DVD's of old movies and recently watched, "Passage to Marsaille," with Bogie.

Great flick.

Beats watching the trash that Hollywood calls movies these days.

GOP scorecard
Time to separate the wheat from the chaff!

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/e55a8758-e97d-4da1-9f52 -2d173e2dbd1a

Other than that, hope everyone except the liberals are having a good Saturday.

Mrs. Paddy
Das Boot was super. I rate The Bridge, also German, as a tie. Losing a war engenders an urge to tell it like it is.

In the 80's, while in DC, i took my 15 year old son to the Georgetown Art theatre(senior moment on the name) to see a Bogart double feature. Casablance and The Big Sleep. He was blown away. It changed his whole peer group outlook, as he realized the world did not start with his awareness of it.

Savage99
Thank you.

We should all scrollby and let them talk to themselves. Eventually they will get the message and leave.

Vic
Good morning. Thank you for your support in dealing with trolls. The newbies get sucked in, and you must admit some of the trolls are pretty good at offering the bait of obviou straw men that are tempting to debunk. Once they bring in bait and switch, ad hominem, and sneering arrogance, indignation takes over and the whole thread becomes a mud fight. There is no way to "win" an argument with them because the argument itself is the win for them. They have provoked recognition from a world which generally passes by their pathetic little selves. When ignored, they are defeated, they leave.

MM
From what I can tell you are talking about "overhead" projection TVs similar to movie projectors and not the standard enclosed rear projection TVs like I have.

The overhead projection TVs are very expensive to maintain. The projection bulbs have a limited life and are very expensive to replace. In addition, as you alluded, the room characteristics for these types are limited. Currently the best are LCD and Plasma. Plasma use to have the lead but advances in LCD have given them the lead. The plasma displays use a lot of power and also have a limited lifetime. There is a new type of flat panel out there now called DLP which use tiny vibrating mirrors. I am skeptical of this technology because it has moving parts. Anytime you have a moving part you have higher likelihood of failure. I recommend staying away from this for a while.

My recommendation is to go with an LCD with an HDMI connection. In fact since I haven’t looked at them lately, check what the standard output of the new high definition DVD players are and make sure the TV will handle it without a converter or degrading the signal.

I hope some of the regulars come back
and review this column today. Note that everyone remarked how well the discussions were going when dealing with a topic that did not involve politics and how it was nice to just relax once and a while with pleasant discussion.

All of that was well and good until 18:39 when one of our odious trolls showed up and beginning dropping bombs that were totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

You see that is the modus operandi of the troll. Come in and insult the normal crowd with off-topic material, change the topic of conversation to something that they feel like they can dominate the conversation on, and just generally ruin the thread for all other individuals.

This is why people that the best thing you can do for a troll is to ignore them. Note that in this case it took about three posts before someone responded to the troll. I don’t know if that was due to the delay in posts showing up or simply trying to ignore them at first and then succumbing to the temptation.

PEOPLE - DO NOT RESPOND TO TROLLS! SCROLL BY

I stopped going to the movies
I stopped going to the movies many years ago when I felt I was becoming a "Peeping Tom." For those of you who are very young, a peeping tom is someone who takes pleasure in standing outside of a window to watch people having sex. I really don't want to watch people continuously eating or going to the john over and over again also.

I thought I really enjoyed old movies until I was at a place that subscribed to a channel that carried only old movies. Some of them were also extremely bad and simplistic.

As someone wrote earlier, I don't want to pay to hear a sermon. When Ebert wrote a rave view of that film about a single president and a young attractive female when Clinton was in office, how anyone couldn't see through that bit of nonsense was incredible.

Capitols
YLG writes: Friday, January, 18, 2008 9:12 PM
wildwest
While we were stationed in Hawaii, a young man was coming to Oahu with the express purpose of having visited every capital city of the states.

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Seventy years ago Life Mag had photos of a young man standing on his head in front of the 48, and only 48, state capitol buildings.

I haven't counted exactly, but I have been to maybe 40 or more state capitols, and a couple of dozen country capitols.

Not much of a movie goer
I have one on DVD called The Big Lebowski that is one of the raunchiest, crudest, movies ever made and I laughed my butt off the entire time. I still pull it out to watch occasionally. I own the extended version of The Lord of the Rings, of course, having read the books ten times since childhood. A true Tolkien geek. I can discuss the geneology of the elves with the best of them. Looking forward to The Hobbit even though Jackson is not participating I heard.

Hal D
"Good Guys" do not allow their fellow citizens to be placed at risk despite the application of DEATH and DESTUCTION to those whom threaten it.
It is so hard to take the high road at this time in history when there are so many on the low road whom are using our HIGH road inclinations to gain advantage.

Hal
Do us a favor, and go away. Until you appeared, this had been a very enjoyable thread. No politics, no vituperation, nothing but a discussion of movies, directors, and actor we liked. As soon as you showed up, the thread blew up, and I apologize to the other posters for my part in it. Now don't go away mad, just go away.

Laura careful
What is wrong with working girls? They at least do something....

Lumberjack7392
"Only if I had had double pre-frontal and frontal lobotomy, like you. "

Can't take what you obviously gave up LMAO

Be well all and good nite

wildwest
"The day I need to apologize to the party that betrays the values of this country hasn't been invented."

I will make it very, very simple for you: GOOD GUYS DO NOT TORTURE.

"That you belong to a party that would rather surrender than defend america makes you particularly loathsome."

Another lie and "BUZZ WORD". Defend America fight its enemies do not go out of your way to create more enemies. DUH!

"That you are viewed by most who come to these threads as hopelessly pathetic clearly shows who empty your thinking and failed attempts at logic truly are."

Really? Considering the foul pit from which it comes I love it. Reaffirms I am a good guy. Hmmm what does that make you valueless followers?

"The dims stand for absolutely nothing, that is probably why you support that losing party "

Oh we stand for the future, progress and hope. Fundamentalist conservatism stands for fear, loathing and incompetence. Guess what? The American people know it

Hal Doofus writes:
If you love the US you would publicly apoligise for damaging it and become a Democrat

Only if I had had double pre-frontal and frontal lobotomy, like you.

hal dimwit
The day I need to apologize to the party that betrays the values of this country hasn't been invented. That you belong to a party that would rather surrender than defend america makes you particularly loathsome. That you are viewed by most who come to these threads as hopelessly pathetic clearly shows who empty your thinking and failed attempts at logic truly are. The dims stand for absolutely nothing, that is probably why you support that losing party

hal donahue
you have alluded to the fact your are a brit. Your country has very little to feel superior about. You continually critisize this country. You don't like myu positions I have a simple answer G F yourself. I don't need sanctimonious fools from foreign shores bashing the country I love.

wildwest
While we were stationed in Hawaii, a young man was coming to Oahu with the express purpose of having visited every capital city of the states. That got me thinking of my "100 things to do before I die" list.

Your list sounds more fun than that young man's, though!

wildwest
"... It is truly amazing how diverse america really is. "

AMAZING and you should look at the rest of the world too. By the way, you are an interesting piece of decaying Americana yourself...

Burtie
Do you still love torture and encourage it? Just checking I know you check LMAO

ylg
Saw your comments concerning your bucket list. I have had always wanted to visit every state. Not earth shattering but one I can point to as having done. We have also been in every large city in the country and 90% of all natl parks and many of them multiple times. We are now working on revisiting favorite places. It is truly amazing how diverse america really is.

wildwest
Too true. Most of the films I watch nowadays are the children's variety, and even some don't hold any wit or charm.

Did I whoop posterior today, or what??

HAHAHAHA!!!

anne ylg
just back to this thread. Amazing how many different people view so many movies as good. But what is really missing in most flics these days is decent dialog. When they lack a real story line they turn to their new devices of either barfe breasts, violence implied sex. Movies like Inherit the Wind were real treasures with the witty dialog. Unfortunately they are few and far between.


Lynn: I'm bettin' we really don't want

to know what sophie does for a living...

Probably best we just don't go there... :-)


YLG. Uncle uncle uncle. :-)
Thanks once again, Burt. Have a good weekend.

Burt
From Haggert to Craig and ALL in between, I thought sodomy was a fundamentalist conservative family value. I mean even one of your icons failed senator Rick Santorum was fascinated with it and even with a dog.... Come on admit it....

MotleyCrue
See? I am infallible!!

"Dr. Strangelove, or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"

"Gentlemen Prefer Blondes"

"Fried Green Tomatoes"

You better be careful, or I'll start swooning again.... ;-)

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

YLG. Norman Bates in "Psycho."
Don't tell me you missed one. I think you were just being kind. The others were correct, of course.

Here's three more just for fun. Then that's it.

"Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the war room."

"I just love finding new places to wear diamonds."

"Face it, girls. I'm older and I have more insurance."





MotleyCrue
I thought he did a good job in "Titanic" since it was a rough character he was playing. But his turn as Louis XIV in "The Man in the Iron Mask" was horrible!

Motley & YLG: Hate to take you away from

Burt's column... but please check out Linda Chavez' column.

Talent Scout is on a rant...




MotleyCrue
Full disclosure:

In my single life, I worked for Disney, as well as Suncoast Motion Picture Company. I also dated briefly an exec from Paramount. Nice guy, but I just couldn't date "Conan".

But I have loved the cinema since I saw "The Adventures of Robin Hood" with Errol, in Spanish, when I was five years old.

You had me at "hello".... ;-)

I'm not a fan of DiCaprio, but
I thought "Titanic" was excellent, and actually enjoyed his performance in "Blood Diamond."




Lynn
;-)

MotleyCrue
Nope, I don't have a book.

"Back to the Future"

"Manchurian Candidate " (?)

"Network"

"Mary Poppins"

Not sure of #2, but I know I pegged the rest!

Motley, YLG, et al
and Sophie went away after nobody would acknowledge her. I think we're onto something!!!

renny
You had me until I saw "Ace Ventura"!!!

OML, that one stand out, doesn't it? Sure was funny, though!

Okay, YLG. What's the trick?
You've got a book or something. I just know it. You can't be that good.

So try this.

"This is what makes time travel possible--the flux capacitor."

"A boy's best friend is his mother."

"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore."

"Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious."

MotleyCrue
It has been very nice, hasn't it? Just like the "food" column Burt had a few weeks ago!

I guess some things are universal: entertainment, cuisine, automobiles, mathematics..... ;-)

No one is
going to see either "Country" or "Blood."

Because movies no has seen keep winning Academies, every year 10% stop watching the Oscars. If the writers' strike drags into the spring, there may be no Oscars either.

Rendition, Redaction, Valley of Elah, Lions for Lambs, Kingdom all lost audiences and huge amounts of money. The audience won't watch these movies.

My all time favorites are

Gone With the Wind, Lawrence of Arabia, Casablanca, A Night at the Opera, Ace Ventura, Pet Detective

I am loathe to try another thread
now. This one has been so pleasant this morning, thanks to Burt's column. Even Sophia kept her claws sheathed. Refreshing.

MotleyCrue
Hellooooo!!

"All About Eve", Bette Davis.

Only the best mental catfight movie ever!!

Lynn
"This is very unusual..." Audrey Hepburn to Gregory Peck. "Roman Holiday."

"That's quite a dress..." Gene Kelly to Nina Foch. "An American in Paris."

YLG. Yep. I should've know. Mae West.

Okay. This is my last. "Fasten your seat belts. It's going to be a bumpy night."

9 to 5
Dolly Parton in "9 to 5".

This thread was a really nice TH experience! Have a great weekend everyone. It's going to be COLD in Chicago so maybe I'll watch some of these movies people have mentioned...I'm ashamed to say I've never seen "Schindlers List" so maybe that's a good place to start.

Movies, Automobiles, and Jewlery
Lumberjack7392
garageman
ylg
Moderate Mark
MotleyCrue

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Well Burt, you sure started something on this movie nonsense. I still say there is no talent or beautiful women in today’s movies, at least in the advertisements I can’t avoid.

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As for cars, I owned a ‘51 Plymouth, a ‘55 Chevy, and a ‘78 Caddy, any one of which is so much prettier and nicer to drive than anything built in the past 25 years.

We worked hard to create computers, and today stupid people misuse them to steal, to spam, to hack, rather then for what they were intended.

Same with cars, although this started long ago. Cars were intended to take you to the grocery store, but some people will spend their time driving round and round in a circle, running into each other, and other misfits will spend a lot of money to sit on a hard bench, in the rain, to watch them.

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As for Jewelry, My Sweetie had the best.

As we drove from Rome toward Milan in 1970, I made a surprise stop in Florence (we had been there a few days earlier) to buy the elaborate (18K gold, with 18 emeralds) ring Sweetie was just “nuts” about -- anything to win a few brownie points. I was afraid that if I didn’t buy it, I would get only “cold toast” for the rest of the trip.

The ring that I bought, and the bracelet (purchased at the same place for me by a friend, in 1971), are 18k gold, with a total of 82 emeralds. They were purchased on the Ponte Vecchio (the Old Bridge over the Arno River), in Florence, Italy, for about $200.

In 1995, at the same store, a very simple 18k ring with one emerald, cost $1,000, many times more than the original elaborate multi-jeweled ring cost. The ring and bracelet appraisal is now about 40 times original cost. (1970)

Well, using our agreed on “piecework” plan, it did take a while for them to get paid for.

ca
"9 to 5"

I just watched it this AM!

Roman Holiday it is, YLG.
ca. You've got me. It rings a bell, but I just can't get it.

MotleyCrue
Mae West in "I'm no Angel"

HAHAHAHA!!!

Plastics
is from The Graduate

I am stumped by the other two.

yep
Yep, Joan Crawford as Mildred Pierce. You can hate her but she was perfect in that film.

One more before I'm gone:

"I'm as nice as I know how to be to every single person in that office. Everyone treats ME like a... b*stard at a family reunion."

MotleyCrue
The second is "The Graduate", the third is "An American in Paris", and not sure of the first.

I think it's "Roman Holiday".

"When I'm good, I'm very good..."
YLG. I have it on the tip of my tongue, but you've got me. Okay, I give. Who and what movie?

Lynn
"Young Frankenstein"!!

Try this one, you guys
"OhHHHHH, sweet mystery of life, at last I found you!"

Lynn/YLG/Vic/ca.
You guys are too good for me.

Okay. There's no way anyone will get these.

"This is very unusual. I've never been alone with a man before--even with my dress on. With my dress off, it's most unusual."

"Plastics."

"That's quite a dress you almost have on."

Goodnight, Vic!!
;-)

ca
Joan Crawford as Mildred Pierce

ca
"Mildred Pierce"???

I'm not sure though....hate Joan!

Vic
I always wanted a BatMobile....

Well folks
all that talk about The Mountain Men made me want to watch it since it's been a few years. We are about to do supper and I can crank that up.

Ya'll take it easy and maybe we'll converse tommorrow.

Whoa! You guys are G-O-O-O-O-D!!!!!

You're leaving me in your dust! :-)



quote
"With this money I can get away from you. From you and your chickens and your pies and your kitchens and everything that smells of grease. I can get away from this shack with its cheap furniture. And this town and its dollar days, and its women that wear uniforms and its men that wear overalls."

Max. Oh thank you, thank you.
(groveling on my knees) I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy. I'll do my best to live up to my Uber-trog status this weekend. I might even consume a beer, just for the heck of it. But only one. Flatulence is not becoming in older gentlemen, even UTs.

MC
I cheated and YLG beat me anyway. Sometimes the posts don't show up for 5 or 10 minutes.

YLG

Someone on the phone got it so they didn't say much about it. Most people who buy the cars like that are museums who will only display it.

They're also gonna do the original Batmobile from the TV show. I'll bet that goes for more.

MotleyCrue
"To Have and Have Not"

"Sunset Blvd."

"Schindler's List"

Close??

Motley
To Have and Have Not

Sunset Boulevard

Schindler's List (guess)

I know one!
"All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up."

Sunset Blvd. ! Finally I get one. I'm terrible at remembering lines from movies and plays.

Vic. I'm surprised you got it so quickly
I though that would be a real tough one. Yep. Harry Lime (Orson Welles) to Joseph Cotten. 1949.

Okay. Let's see you get these.

"You know how to whistle, don't you, Steve? You just put your lips together and blow."

"All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up."

"The list is an absolute good. The list is life."

MotleyCrue
When I'm good, I'm very good. But when I'm bad, I'm even better.

Not my line, but apt....

;-)

Darn it, YLG. Your dad's too good for me
:-)

MC
The Third Man

Vic
The truck/jalopy went for $125K??

Wow, I wonder who bought it, and what they will do with it.

YLG. Right again.
Mae West. "She done him wrong." 1933

Greetings, Anne. We're all singing Kumbaya here today. Movies bring out our commonality, in a good way.

MotleyCrue
Ooooh, you are tough, but I can thank my dad for this one: "The Third Man"!

HAHAHAHA!!!

YLG. That was a rewrite from an
older version titled "Point Blank" with Lee Marvin. The James Coburn role was played (before he became famous as Archie Bunker) by Carrol O'Conner.

Here's another.

"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed--but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? the cuckoo clock."

Max Power/YLQ
I'm sorry after a second refresh I see Max Power's response came in first.

BTW, the Beverly Hillbillies car went for $125K.

Fargo Indeed


My wife moved to the Upper Peninsula in 1996. WHen she went back to Philly for a visit, she went to see Fargo with a friend, she was flabbergasted to realize that the people in Fargo spoke exactly like they do in the UP. "Fargo? I live in f****** Fargo!"

MotleyCrue
The book wasn't about emeralds, but about how a woman can "earn" them from her current interest.

That's why I asked... ;-)

The first I don't know, but sounds Mae West-ish, and the second is "Silence of the Lambs".

In the same
vein as "Mountain Men," there is "Jeremiah Johnson." One of the few decent movies Redford has made.

YLG
Got it!

All

They are about to auction the George Barris Beverly Hillbillies truck.

You all forget Kellys Heroes too?
Talk about quotable movies :)

YLG. You're good. 3 out of 3.
So what's this book about emeralds you think I should read?

Jack. 2 right. 3rd was "Treasure of Sierra Madre," with Bogart. Would the woodchipper line be from "Fargo?" That somehow rings a bell.

Max I was British Navy. Could I claim Trogdom?

Here's more lines. "I wasn't always rich. There was a time when I didn't know where my next husband was coming from." "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."



Hey, Anne!!
I hope your day went well. Do you have a long weekend?

Max Power
"Jaws"

"Star Wars"

Vic
"FIVE EASY PIECES"!!

Max Power
Jaws

Hey Motley: :-)
sophie is still here...? (Can't bear to refer to her as Ms. Thatcher!)

Wanna bet she's gone SOON?





Since we’re into quotes now how about
Now all you have to do is hold the chicken, bring me the toast, give me a check for the chicken salad sandwich, and you haven't broken any rules.

Waitress (spitefully): You want me to hold the chicken, huh?

I want you to hold it between your knees.

Jack
"FARGO"!!!!

Max Power, MotleyCrue
Typing about bad vs. bad, what about "Payback", with Mel Gibson? I loved James Coburn in that movie, especially when Gibson shot his luggage, and Coburn exclaims, "That's just mean!"

Speaking of Jack Lemon.
One of his most startling performances was not comedy, but as an absolute drunk in "Days of Wine and Roses." I think it came out first as a TV special before opening in theaters.

I Got Two
Exorcist and teh Elephant Man.

How About this one

"And I guess that's your accomplice in the woodchipper?"

MotleyCrue
"Treasure of the Sierra Madre"

"The Exorcist"

"The Elephant Man"

Am I close?

MM
I got mine about 7 years ago when they were switching styles to the "widescreen". It is a projection TV and I got it for only $1800. My only gripe with it now is that it doesn't have the HDMI connections that allow the source to control the screen formatting. I have to use the 3-way component inputs for hi def.

I would love something similar in a flat screen LCD so I could mount it over my mantle and save space. But alas, the days of buying new toys have been severely curtailed after retiring and then on top of that getting hit with a ton of medical bills.

Max Power
Oxbow Incident
____________________

Since actors have become politically active, some of them have me watching to find fault rather than enjoying the movie.

Some movies should be censored as a danger to the public or at least have a warning screen.

I know a young boy who was seriously burned playing with black powder when he expected it to burn slowly like it does in western movies.

The way some of our anti-gun actors handle guns is very dangerous.
If Sylvester Stallone was to handle a real firearm near a group of hunters the same way he handles plastic replicas in movies they would take it away from him and lock it in the trunk of some vehicle.

Movies portray many unsafe things that people believe possible because they see it demonstrated by plastic heros with plastic guns.
I did not notice it much before the morons came out political against 1/2 their former fans.

MotleyCrue
You are dang fortunate!

Living on the water, great weather year round, and port, to boot.

Heck, if I had all that, I wouldn't mind watching the odious wastes of celluloid that come out every year!!

Max.
Same with "The Wild Bunch." my all time favorite. Pit bad men against bad men and let 'em wipe each other out. Loved it.

I want to thank you, Burt, for
bringing us a subject that ends the week on a peaceful note. No partisan
squabbling, no backbiting or name calling. A nice respite. Don't think we'll get too many of those, now that the primaries are in full swing. Heck, my apologies to everyone here today for bringing that up. It won't happen again on this column, I can assure you.

Back to movies. Here's three famous lines from three different movies. I'll make it easy on you. Who said it and in what film?

"Badges? We ain't go no badges. We don't need no badges. We don't have to show you any stinkin' badges."

"What an excellent day for an exorcism."

"I am not an animal. I am a human being."

Go for it.



Jack Lemmon FIlm few Know
I highly recommend "Save the Tiger with Jack Lemmon.

Definitely Blade Runner.

And ET as well.

Hunt for Red October
Actually, Mother of 4, I think it is generally a well-regarded film. A quick google search shows Roger Ebert gave it 3 1/2 stars and the first two sentences of his review are:

"The movies have one sure way of involving us that never fails.

They give us a character who is right when everybody else is wrong and then invite us to share his frustration as he tries to talk some sense into the blockheads."


I'm fortunate here in Marina del Rey.
On Friday mornings, when the good movies come out, the theatres are empty. If it's a top-rated movie with top stars, the lines are around the block that same evening, but at the first 10AM showing, seniors can get in for $4 and sit in relative quiet while watching the movie in peace. I've seen Oscar winners with only ten people in the audience.

vic
Those conditions in the theaters were that way when I was a kid in the 50s, they were that way the last time I went in the 80s except that somehow the size of the theater has been reduced.

I somehow doubt that things have changed since the 80s. Have they?

Now you have cell phones which were not widespread the last time I went.
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I think theaters are definitely better than in the 80's and 90's. Stadium seating makes a huge difference for sight lines certainly and gives me the feeling of having my own space even in a crowded theater. I hate sitting in the middle of a theater and being surrounded by others as I'm a little claustrophobic so I always try to get an aisle seat. I also think screen sizes (at least in big multiplexes) are getting bigger. I think the cellphone problem has died down a little bit since a lot of filmgoers have gotten fed up with the noise but that, along with generally chatty people) is my biggest problem with going to movies. Oh, and the crazy price! That said, I'm like you and prefer watching in my living room on our 38 inch LCD widescreen tv. It's much more pleasant so I only go to the theater maybe 2 or 3 times a year.

I stand corrected, Jack.
It was Tom Berenger. You're absolutely right. Great memory you have. I can be forgiven though, I'm old.

Newman
The Hustler. Need I say more?

Eon writes:
The Court Jester (1955) ("The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true")
----------------------
That was one of the funniest lines ever, and Danny Kay was brilliant as he tried to remember the lines before going in. But the second funniest line was his last instruction before heading into the room where the princess
(I believe) was sleeping. And that was: "Get in, get it over with and get out."

The Great Race (1964)
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Glad you brought that up. Jack Lemon was at his maniacally brilliant best as Professor Fate. Tony Curtis and Natalie Wood were also superbe. Great great movie. Speaking of which. "Some like it Hot," also with Lemon and Curtis.

I'm Not Much of a Movie Lover
I'm not much of a movie lover (I'd rather read the book), but I'm really surprised that no one here has mentioned the second-best book-to-movie adaption ever made -- The Hunt For Red October.

Until The Lord of the Rings was made it was #1 for being as good at being a movie as the book was good at being a book. The only adaptations and liberties taken were the ones necessary due to the differences inherent in the media.

In a movie you couldn't have action taking place on several different US Submarines, a US carrier and a British carrier -- it would come across as choppy and confusing. The book could go into more realistic detail about the logistics involved in chasing a submarine across the Atlantic.

Two of the more powerful scenes in the movie, the political officer reading from Revelation and "I want to live in Montana" weren't in the book at all and yet they were true to the spirit of the hundreds of pages of background exposition that they replaced.

And the soundtrack -- multiple versions of the Soviet National Anthem -- has a haunting, but ironic, beauty that helped capture the determination tinged with regret of men forced to leave the country they loved but could not longer support.

I've always been a bit surprised that The Hunt For Red October isn't more widely acclaimed. But I guess its too politically incorrect to praise a movie where a few men with courage can make a difference in the world.

Favorites
I'm surprised that no one mentioned "Chinatown" as a favorite film, even though Burt referred to it in the article. Certainly one of Nicholson's best.

As to that Paul Newman film festival - count me in!
I think it might have been in "From The Terrace," where his character had an argument with his father. The father wanted him in the family business & Newman said he was going to do something else. The father said "The h*ll you will!" and there was a tight closeup on those eyes when Newman said "the h*ll I won't!" I've been in love ever since.

Motley
Sorry I missed your Unforgiven comment.

John Hurt was not the American in The Field, that was Tom Berenger. John Hurt was the mousy little sycophant called Bird. He was fabulous and barely recognizable.

The film also gave Sean Bean a start.

It was a bleak movie, but that was an aspect of the life. My affection is partly tied to the way it reiterated some of the great themes of Irish literature and mythology in a relatively modern Context.

The last scene where Mccabe is fighitng with teh waves is right out of the Cucuchulain myth.

ca
Read the customer reviews here. Most loved it but as I said the critics hated it.

http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Men-Charlton-Heston/dp/B0000 6672R

ca
Those conditions in the theaters were that way when I was a kid in the 50s, they were that way the last time I went in the 80s except that somehow the size of the theater has been reduced.

I somehow doubt that things have changed since the 80s. Have they?

Now you have cell phones which were not widespread the last time I went.

Vic - Mountain Men
Thanks, I'll check that one out. That said, I have no problem watching two men together; it doesn't make me feel sick at all.

Oh, I want to add another favorite: "The Straight Story" by David Lynch. It made me realize I really am a mid-westerner and love the endless scenery of cornfields and soybean fields in my region of the country. It's a beautiful and heartwarming film all around and, oddly enough, a Disney production directed by David Lynch!

Jack. I did mention "Unforgiven"
earlier. You missed it. "The Field" actually, was quite authentic, I thought, especially given the Irish mentality about such things. John Hurt's role was somewhat puzzling, as I couldn't quite figure out what an American was doing over there. Oh I know, within the context of the story, that he was buying up things, but even so I didn't get it. That he was killed in the end was not surprising, given the Harris character's virulent nature. Good film, but a bit bleak for my taste. Not widely distributed over here.

Vic - clarification
You certainly can and should comment on the movies!

The quote of yours, however, was in reference to the conditions of current movie theaters and the theater experience, not movies themselves. You were responding (I assumed and I admit I may be wrong) to RichL's comment "All other theaters have crude stuck to the floor, kids with cell phones or just chatting away throughout the movie on a screen not much bigger than many TVs, no thanks!" by saying you agreed that theaters are not pleasant places even though you hadn't been to one in many years. That was my only criticism. It's sort of like when people say "new television shows are all terrible" but then you find out they haven't actually owned a TV 15 years and have never seen an episode of a single current show.

As for theaters, now that there is stadium seating, I find going to see movies far more pleasant than even 10 years ago. My technique of waiting at least 2 weeks and going to an early weekday show also helps since I am easily distracted by chatty patrons.

By the way, I completely agree with your take on "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang".

MT

Would LVB have loved the soundtrack to Clockwork Orange? Assuming he could have heard it, I imagine he would have. He was considered pretty irascible and non conformist in his day. I think he would have appreciated the creativity of the late Wendy/Walter Carlos.


Ron
Yes, he does.

And as always, there a little smile behind the eyes...

Of course, it's also an opportunity to say, "I love you more", "No, I love you more", until we are screaming at each other. I always win in the end, though, since he gets tea in bed in the AM, and I have to fetch it!

Now, THAT'S LOVE!!!

ron
I DID forget about Princess Bride! I love that movie, as well as the book. William Goldman is one of my favorite writers.

Moderate Mark: You aren't REALLY a Yooper unless you end every sentence with "hey." It's "eh" in Kanukistan.

Say Yah
I doubt many will known what a yooper is. (No fair hitting wikipedia)

A relatively modern film that I consider transcendent is The Field, with Richard Harris and John Hurt in an almost unrecognizable role. Highly recommend Into the West as well, for similar themes.

ca
If you want to see a great movie with two guys together that doesn't make you sick, get a copy of Mountain Men with Charlton Heston and Brian Keith. That movie has the best scenery of any movie I have ever scene.

BTW the critics hated it.

YLG
Great first date memory.
I'll bet your hubby still responds with...

As You Wish

with every request you make of him :)

Somewhere in Time
I agree with those that love this film. I'm generally not into overly sentimental films but this one can make me cry in an instant. It's a shame it is not remembered more often.

Clockwork Exorcism
The Exorcist is a terrific film, but is not the film most people think they are watching.

Clockwork Orange was and is a terrific film. The soundtrack alone would land it on a list of great movies.

ca
Certainly I can comment, you notice that all my comments are based on the movies and not the theaters. I watch the movies at home on DVD.

I get the full effect of the movies also on a 55" Hi def TV with 7.1 surround system.

And I don't think anyone can take offence commenting on movies.

brokeback
I read the short story and must say that the film adaptation of "Brokeback Mountain" was masterful. They took every scene from that very short story and expanded on it brilliantly. Apart from not liking to see two guys together, what is the problem with the film for people? It was well written, directed, acted, etc. The scenery was stunning as well. In addition, Michelle Williams was astounding as one of the wives. It was a heartbreaking story for pretty much every character in the film and while some might not like the message of tolerance or acceptance of gays, you should at least recognize the realistic portrayal of how forcing gays to be closeted in that time and/or place negatively affected everyone involved.

Ron
Yes, I forgot! It was the second date my hubby and I had while we were dating, and to this day, he and I can quote the film in its entirety.

For Christmas, I gave him a T-shirt which says "Inconceivable" on the front, and "I do not think it means what you think it means" on the back. I found it at thinkgeek.com!!

YLG et al:
I am off to pick up my wife from work. She isn't feeling too well, and I am off the rest of the day. Back later.

a couple points
First, I come in peace so don't treat me badly just because I disagree with some things here.

Vic: "LOL, I agree totally but I got you beat. The last movie I went to in the theaters was Superman I."

Can you really comment on the current theater experience when that is the last film you saw in the theater? I think not.

GunnyG regarding your first post: Is it possible for you to post without using insulting names? Does using the words "Hollyweird", "f*ggotry", "vicious feminazis", and "leftist vermin" really reflect well on you? Hardly a post from you goes by where you don't call people names and it's tiresome and unproductive.

Finally, while I disagree with much of Burt's film criticism, I do agree that movies now are generally too long. I'd be more likely to go to the theater if there were fewer previews and movies were around 90 minutes long.

CA's favorite films:
"Night of the Hunter" with Robert Mitchum
"Gosford Park" by Robert Altman
"Rear Window" by Hitchcock
and for a recent one: "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle"

eon
so "the pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle...", etc. is from a 1955 movie that I never heard of. I know I have heard that rhyme before. Was it also in a Mel Brooks movie or something?

Jack
Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources are beautiful, indeed.

I prefer the Ferrer version, since he was a friend of my great uncle, but I love Gerard Depardieu.

Packback Mountain
I am a transplanted Yooper and one of three or four Packer fans in Philadelphia. I hope the weather is horrible just so people can see what it takes to survive up there.

Brokeback Mountain was a lot better than I expected it to be. Margaret has good line on it.

YLG, my favorite...
gemstone is the Opal, also my birthstone. I am still waiting on one set in either white gold or silver. Blue topaz is another favorite!


MotleyCrue
If I may be so bold as to ask, why do you think emeralds are a girl's best friend?

Have you been reading a certain book, by any chance??

And, yes, I have earrings, pendant, and a ring.

And...
Jean de Florette

And one story that made two excellent films:

Cyrano De Bergerac with Jose Ferrer and with Gerard Depardieu

Princess Bride anyone ?
Or did it just slip your minds :-)

Margaret Thatcher writes:
Who says lumber that none will be
Classics?

You?

You walked out of Clockwork Orange!

Given a choice of "A Crockwork Orange" Or "Plan Nine From Outer Space," I'll take "Plan Nine From Outer Space."

ModerateMark
I share your problem. While I am also a New Yorker...Downtown...I would normally say Go Giants!

Except...How can you not support a team that still plays football where it is suposed to be played...NOT in a sissy dome.

So for this matchup...Go Packers!

PS. I am soooo hoping for blizzard conditions :-)

A Few More
Great films umentioned so far.

Unforgiven
Ed Wood
Nightmare Before Christmas
Alien and Aliens
High Noon
Mr Blandings Buidls His Dream House


Off the top of my head
(Which most people say I am, anyway...)

Favorites by category;

Mystery/Film Noir

The Maltese Falcon (1941)
The Big Sleep (1945 and 1946 versions)
Murder On The Orient Express (1975)

War

Where Eagles Dare (1969)
In Harm's Way (1965)

Comedy

The Court Jester (1955) ("The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true")
The Great Race (1964)

Science Fiction

Destination Moon (1949/50)
Forbidden Planet (1956)
Quatermass And the Pit (1967, also the original BBC Tv version)

Western

Gunfight at the O.K. Corral (1957)
El Dorado (1967)
For A Few Dollars More (1968)

Foreign

Anything by Akira Kurosawa, but especially

Yojimbo (1961)
Sanjuro (1963)

There are probably a few dozen more, but these are the ones I watch over and over again.

cheers

eon

Forget diamonds. EMERALDS
are a girl's best friend. Okay, YLG?

Moderate Mark, you might
consider that the 55 Chevy, after some 50 odd years, is probably still capable of getting you from point A to point B. I don't think the same will be said of today's cars, they don't even stay together for the 60 mos. plus financing, with maybe a few exceptions.

I used to think I was never going to get old, but it seems to be sneaking up on me, at least in the physical capacity. Funny thing is, my brain still thinks my body is 18!

No, I find very few of today's cinematic attempts worth the price of admission or even worth an hour or two of my valuable time, seeing as how I now have less of it.

YLG writes:
Lumberjack7392
Ludlum is spinning so fast, he's halfway to China by now.

Did you ever read, "The Gemini Contenders", also by Ludlum?

I have read most of Ludlum's books. My personal favorite id "The Matarese Circle."

Per Nostro Circulo

YLG writes:
Lumberjack7392
Ludlum is spinning so fast, he's halfway to China by now.

Did you ever read, "The Gemini Contenders", also by Ludlum?

I have read most of Ludlum's books. My personal favorite is "The Matarese Circle."

ModerateMark writes:
MotleyCrue, Packers/Giants


This weekend game is a problem for me. While I am a New Yorker, I am one of those Upstaters. But since Buffalo is the only true New York team in the state, I say Go Packers!

I heard the weather forecast, 10 degrees or so. No sissy domes this weekend, this is real football :-)

I am hoping for a Packers win. They have the better chance of beating the Patriots, than do the Giants. I cannot stand the Patriots, and their head coach.

Musicals
My favorite musicals are My fair Lady and The Sound of Music. Mostly due to the number of great songs. Most of the Broadway musicals only have one or two really good songs but those two had so many. My favorite songs from musicals are On the Street Where You Live, Tonight, and When You Wish Upon a Star.

Lumberjack7392
Ludlum is spinning so fast, he's halfway to China by now.

Did you ever read, "The Gemini Contenders", also by Ludlum?

The AFI is depraved
The American Film Institute is populated by a bunch of lazy bums masquerading as critics who want to establish a quasi-official canon. Inevitably, they'll nominate for sainthood any number of fine films, but they're such cliche, obvious, heard-it-all-before choices, you have to wonder if these guys all paint by the same numbers.

Moral: Don't let the AFI do your thinking for you. Go see some movies and make up your own mind.

Margaret Thatcher writes:
Singing in the rain lumber....
How'd you like the clockwork orange version of that song/dance?

Actualy, I got up and walked out of a "Crockwork Orange," as "Mad Magazine so aptly titled it in its parody.

Farmer's Wife
I know, I'm a poor excuse for womanhood.

I don't like diamonds, mostly because the have a cold fire and no color. I do love pearls, though. I have about 12 things that go around the topmost vertebrae (don't want to set myself up, you know), and several bracelets and rings, even some freeform unset.

He has yet to figure out that, just because I don't like diamonds, it doesn't mean I don't like other gemstones....

HEY, HONEY, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, I DON'T HAVE ANY AMETHYSTS, SMOKY QUARTZ, OR 18KT. ANYTHING!!

Maybe he'll get the hint....

Sophia, my little flower.
What can one say about "Brokeback Mountain" that hasn't already been said many times and many ways. How does one extoll the virtues of two men camping out together in the wilds, kissing with wild abandon, making out under the stars, and purchasing tubes of KY jelly while complaining of saddle sores? Words can not express what I feel about such a movie, and nothing in my vocabulary could come close to the repulsion it arouses in me, at least nothing that would'nt get me immediately banned.

Margaret Thatcher writes:
Oh what a Burn Lumber!
Comparing one year to the last 100!

yep, that's a fair comparison.

Is that conservative logic in action?

There was an inference there that apparently went right over your head. Liberal thinking at its finest. The inference was that, while they may be good movies, classics they are'nt and they won't be classics.

Yes 2007 produced some movies
When the best movie is a cartoon about a rat that likes to cook you know things are not going too good. In addition, with all these "critically acclaimed movies" the box office sure did suffer. If they have a few more successful years like 2007 we will see some studios going out of business.

MotleyCrue writes:
Lynn. I agree about "Bourne Supremacy."
The problem as I see it was that Matt Damon is such a wooden actor. His fight scenes were so choreographed it was like watching someone using a paint-by-the-numbers kit. The man just doesn't know the first thing about using his hands. I'd hate to see him try changing a flat tire. Painful to watch.

I gave up on the "Bourne Movies" after the first one. Having read all three books, I could see just how badly they had been butchered by the movie makers. I suspect Ludlum is spinning in his grave.

Motley
As a devout Packer fan, THANKS.

Regarding that _________ masquerading as Margaret Thatcher, a personal hero of mine, I will abide by my vow not to feed the trolls. As I have told my son, Do not coddle petulant women, Motley, no matter how much they sulk.

To the voice in the wilderness :)
Sophia,

Like your movie picks...except Broke back. I sympathize with your husband and would also have run from the room.

I still remember the embarrassment of watching Deliverance in a movie theater with my Mother...I almost burned in place :)

I am partial to Westerns...the old ones especially with John Wayne and never tire of watching them over and over. Silverado is one of my more recent favorites.

Try to hang in there...no backsliding into the dark side...I for one look for and read your posts so...you are not being ignored even when your not being responded to :)



YLG, what ????
don't like diamonds! I do love my bling, but then again I don't like chocolate so I guess no one is perfect, huh. The Farmer surprised me with a new wedding ring for Christmas and in honor of our 41 years together!

BTW, I do love footie jammies and snuggling up on a cold winter day for a good movie or two.

garageman writes:

Want a few debating points? The year 2007 produced the following films:

"The Kite Runner"
"Atonement"
"Zodiac"
"Breach"
"The Lookout"
"Rush Hour 3" (we all have our guilty pleasures)
"Ratatoullie"
"Waitress"
"3:10 to Yuma"
"Eastern Promises"
"Michael Clayton"
"The Hoax"
"Disturbia" (another guilty pleasure)
"Sweeney Todd"
"I Am Legend"
"Bee Movie"
"Perfect Stranger"
"Before the Devil Knows You're Dead"
"There Will Be Blood"
"Elizabeth: The Golden Age"
"American Gangster"
"Juno"

That's just a partial list. Any year that can produce these films doesn't owe anyone an apology. Sorry if watching "It's a Wonderful Life " for the 679th time is something of a less than challenging experience. Bert Prelutsky is an embarrassment to everything I stand for as a conservative.

And here is the AFI's top 10 films of the last 100 years:

1 CITIZEN KANE
2 THE GODFATHER
3 CASABLANCA
4 RAGING BULL
5 SINGIN' IN THE RAIN
6 GONE WITH THE WIND
7 LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
8 SCHINDLER'S LIST
9 VERTIGO
10 THE WIZARD OF OZ

BTW: Which "3:10 Yuma," the original or the remake?

MotleyCrue writes:

Vic. I agree with you about "Tombstone."
Val Kilmer stole the show IMHO.

It's one of my favorite westerns. I agree about Kilmer, particularly the bar scene where he copies every fancy gun twirl Ringo does with his collapsible whiskey cup.

My favorite musical is "Singin' In The Rain," but I think Donald O'Connor stole the show with his dancing, and singing.



Lynn. I agree about "Bourne Supremacy."
The problem as I see it was that Matt Damon is such a wooden actor. His fight scenes were so choreographed it was like watching someone using a paint-by-the-numbers kit. The man just doesn't know the first thing about using his hands. I'd hate to see him try changing a flat tire. Painful to watch.

MotleyCrue
I will definitely pass on this prayer to my sis. She can't stand the Packers, and it does my heart good to see her freak out!

HAHAHAHA!!!


garageman writes:

Want a few debating points? The year 2007 produced the following films:

"The Kite Runner"
"Atonement"
"Zodiac"
"Breach"
"The Lookout"
"Rush Hour 3" (we all have our guilty pleasures)
"Ratatoullie"
"Waitress"
"3:10 to Yuma"
"Eastern Promises"
"Michael Clayton"
"The Hoax"
"Disturbia" (another guilty pleasure)
"Sweeney Todd"
"I Am Legend"
"Bee Movie"
"Perfect Stranger"
"Before the Devil Knows You're Dead"
"There Will Be Blood"
"Elizabeth: The Golden Age"
"American Gangster"
"Juno"

That's just a partial list. Any year that can produce these films doesn't owe anyone an apology. Sorry if watching "It's a Wonderful Life " for the 679th time is something of a less than challenging experience. Bert Prelutsky is an embarrassment to everything I stand for as a conservative


1 CITIZEN KANE
2 THE GODFATHER
3 CASABLANCA
4 RAGING BULL
5 SINGIN' IN THE RAIN
6 GONE WITH THE WIND
7 LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
8 SCHINDLER'S LIST
9 VERTIGO
10 THE WIZARD OF OZ


Lumberjack
I read your response too fast. I thought you were saying you liked Errol Flynn's rendition better because he did his own stunts. I used to get A's in reading comprehension, honest! I'm not even a senior yet! (Cue "Theme from Jaws" music).

Vic. I agree with you about "Tombstone."
Val Kilmer stole the show IMHO.

YLG. One of the best soundtracks is from "Something's got to Give," with Nicholson and Diane Keaton. If you haven't heard it, you should get it. Great listening.

Will someone give Sophia some attention? She's about ready to go ballistic.


For all you GB Packer fans out there. I just received this prayer in an email.


Our Favre,
Who art in Lambeau,
Hallowed be thine arm.
The bowl will come,
It will be won.
In Phoenix as it was in New Orleans.
And give us this Sunday,
Our weekly win.
And give us many touchdown passes.
But do not let others pass against us.
Lead us not into frustration,
But deliver us to the valley of the sun.
For thine is the MVP, the best of the NFC,
and the glory of the Cheeseheads,
now and forever. AMEN!!!!

Go get 'em


Lonesome Burt
Burt Prelutsky is such an intellectually-challenged philistine that he makes Michael Medved look visionary. I happen to be of the belief that today's movies are far superior to the crap made during the so-called "Golden Age." No apologies. In terms of staging, pallette, acting, plotting, soundtrack, editing and emotional depth, recent cinema has it all over the stuff that we're supposed to fawn over.

Want a few debating points? The year 2007 produced the following films:

"The Kite Runner"
"Atonement"
"Zodiac"
"Breach"
"The Lookout"
"Rush Hour 3" (we all have our guilty pleasures)
"Ratatoullie"
"Waitress"
"3:10 to Yuma"
"Eastern Promises"
"Michael Clayton"
"The Hoax"
"Disturbia" (another guilty pleasure)
"Sweeney Todd"
"I Am Legend"
"Bee Movie"
"Perfect Stranger"
"Before the Devil Knows You're Dead"
"There Will Be Blood"
"Elizabeth: The Golden Age"
"American Gangster"
"Juno"

That's just a partial list. Any year that can produce these films doesn't owe anyone an apology. Sorry if watching "It's a Wonderful Life " for the 679th time is something of a less than challenging experience. Bert Prelutsky is an embarrassment to everything I stand for as a conservative.

ModerateMark
No doubt I will get it, or some such gadget...

In his defense, he has run out of baubles to give me, and since I don't like diamonds, it's hard for him.

I wonder if he'll install seat warmers for me...

Lynn writes:
Lumberjack
Last of the Mohicans with Daniel Day Lewis and Madeleine Stowe. One romantic flick, and a fabulous soundtrack.

I said I enjoyed it.

Lumberjack
Last of the Mohicans with Daniel Day Lewis and Madeleine Stowe. One romantic flick, and a fabulous soundtrack.

ModerateMark writes:
"The Last of the Mohicans"


What I always enjoy about this movie, the realistic violences. No Errol Flynn sword fights here, one blow to your head and it's over.

I enjoyed "Last of the Mohicans," But the stunts were all done by doubles. Flynn did his own. One of m favorite movies is his "Adventures of Robin Hood." In the climactic fight with Gisbourne, played by Basil Rathbone, both men did their own sword fighting.

ModerateMark
I concur!!

Nothing like cuddling up beneath a blanket to watch a heartbreakingly romantic movie, especially when it isn't a "happily ever after" flick. Then, consolation begins....

;-)

Thanks, Motley
Also, Trains, Planes and Automobiles. I laughed myself right off the couch watching that movie.

Did anyone else get sick watching the Bourne Supremacy? The camera work was so schizo that I had to quit watching and just listen.

To All you guys and
some of you gals; don't forget Barrett-Jackson 2008 is starting in 5 minutes (14:00) on Speed Channel.

MotleyCrue
I went through three cassette tapes, an LP, and two CDs of that soundtrack. Also loved "Out of Africa"'s soundtrack, as well as "The Last of the Mohicans"'.

As far as suspenseful films, "Rear Window", "Rebecca", "Psycho", and "Rope" are faves. Notice a trend?

ModerateMark
I'm sorry you are in a foul mood, but eating ice cream always helps me...

Chocolate doesn't hurt, either.

BTW, I forgot to say "kudos" for warming up the car for your wife. I mentioned it to my hubby in passing (yes, dang it, it was a TEST), and his reply was, "My car already has seat heaters." When I mentioned mine didn't, he said, "Then you should warm it up."

He fails every time....

MotleyCrue
The best Western of recent times in my opinion was Tombstone, the Curt Russell version. I am not into “thrillers” so much so I have no particular favorites there. I loved “Open Range” also, but I thought that it started on the big screen, although I may be mistaken. For the truly small screen westerns I like the old Warner Bothers series like Maverick, Cheyenne, Sugar Foot, etc. And can’t leave out Wanted Dead or Alive and Paladin.

Lumberjack7392
Well, you are in luck!

Il roberto went off with Wonder Woman for some R&R somewhere south, where he can monitor the SC primary, and do some skiing, as well as "night ops" with the afore-mentioned Wonder Woman. He left all this info at the Limbaugh thread.

Yes, I noticed, but I just scroll on by...

The only thing better than watching "Casablanca", is watching it with a box of tissues, a gallon of ice cream, and footie PJs.

There there, YLG. I have the soundtrack.
Great in the car. Try not to cry.

Lynn. Kathleen Turner.

MotleyCrue
If it had been me as the single, nubile, young thing, I would have, too!

I'm a sucker for older men.... ;-)

YLG writes:
ModerateMark
Do you notice how often "Casablanca" has made people's lists??

My dad had a lobby card of "Lawrence of Arabia", which he got while attending Fordham in NY. One of his "treasures" which he sold off to help out my mom's family.

Maybe "Casablanca" has made the list, because it is moviemaking at it's finest, a great story, great cast, superb acting, directing, music, and editing.

YLG: Have you noticed maggie has arrived, and is now trying to blow up the thread, with non sequiters, and inanities. We can just pray that He Who Must Name Himself Twice does'nt show up, and claim to have taught Alfred Hitchcock, Frank Capra, John Huston, and John Ford all they knew about film making and directing.

MotleyCrue
I couldn't bring myself to type it, because every time I think about it, I start to cry...

Hubby offered to take me to the Grand Hotel and Round Island lighthouse, but I declined, since my spirit couldn't take it...

Sniff...I need a tissue....

Joe. "Snatch" is one of the funniest
films to come out of England in a long time. I"m originally from that part of the world, so I got the humor immediately. I loved the line from Dennis Farina, something to the effect of: "You gave the world the English language, yet you don't even speak it over here." He was talking to a bunch of cockneys at the time.

In addition,
Body Heat, and War of the Roses, both with Kathleen whatshername.

ModerateMark
Do you notice how often "Casablanca" has made people's lists??

My dad had a lobby card of "Lawrence of Arabia", which he got while attending Fordham in NY. One of his "treasures" which he sold off to help out my mom's family.

YLG. Knowing Nicholson. No doubt. ;-)
And for you lover's of romantic fantasy. "Somewhere in Time," with Christopher Reeve and Jane Seymour.

Lumberjack. Yep. "The Dirty Dozen" is right up there with "Saving Private Ryan."

kimbergrl writes:
recent movies
I have to disagree, there are some decent movies out there. The ones I have seen within the last couple of years that I liked were:

Pursuit of Happyness
Amazing Grace
Secondhand Lions
End of the Spear
The Harry Potter Movies
Lord of the Rings
The Green Mile

I agree about "Second Hand Lions." I just wish that they could have had a scene where Hub gives his full speech on what it takes to be a man. I've got it on DVD, and the deleted scenes, and alternate ending are great.


RE: benehogan
I saw The Bourne Supremecy, and for the life of me I can't find any resemblance between it and the book on which it was supposedly based. "Ultimatum" was definitely my favorite of the books, but when I saw the adds for the movie there was no mention of Carlos the Jackal or anything else from the novel, so I never saw it. Was I right in assuming the only thing they had in common was the name?

And just for good measure:

Blazing Saddles
Star Wars
Halloween
Airplane
The Cowboys
McClintock
Seven
Trainspotting
Snatch (no, it's not a porno)
Amazing Grace

For those who haven't seen that last one, it's a fairly recent flick about William Wilburforce. No vulgarity, no T&A, no CGI, and the most action you'll see is a guy beating a dead horse at the beginning. Still, it's very well acted, well directed, and all in all a great story told well on film.

recent movies
I have to disagree, there are some decent movies out there. The ones I have seen within the last couple of years that I liked were:

Pursuit of Happyness
Amazing Grace
Secondhand Lions
End of the Spear
The Harry Potter Movies
Lord of the Rings
The Green Mile

In all cases, there weren't movies about losers. I hated Leaving Las Vegas because none of the characters had any redeeming qualities (same goes for American Beauty, I had to turn if off after 1/2 hour). The movies are out there, you just have to sift through the nonsense.

Vic. I like good thrillers like "Heat,"
with DeNiro and Pacino. IMHO it was one of the best of its genre. One of the best westerns I've seen lately was Eastwood's "Unforgiven."

Oh the small screen, Robert Duvall's "Open Range" with Kevin Costner, and "Broken Trail," both excellent. My favorite western, bar none, was "The Wild Bunch," with William Holden playing the bad guy. Marvelous.



MotleyCrue
Jack Nicholson is superb...

I wonder if she supplied him with the "right" verb.... ;-)

MotleyCrue writes:
Max. Speaking of Lee Marvin.

When it comes to Lee Marvin, remember the greatest guy flick ever made, "The Dirty Dozen."

MotleyCrue
You are right: Colin FARRELL is a Crowe wannabe!

As for Orlando Bloom, the only time he looked good was as a long-eared, long-haired blond elf.

Great Nicholson quote.
A gorgeous young woman in a London club went to his table and asked him if he'd like to dance. He gave her that grin of his and stated "Wrong verb."

"Brokeback Mountain?" Now now, Sophia, your slip is showing.



MotleyCrue
If you havn't seen Alexander don't bother. Not only was it long, dull, and boring but it was one of these "modern" message movies. I rented it thinking "historical" as in the old Demille epics and got modern. Think Brokeback Mountain meets hercules for that movie.

I started fast forwarding at half an hour and then turned it off after another half hour. What a waste of a tripto Blockbuster.

Well, it used to be entertainment
Well Burt, you are a piker when it come to visiting movie houses. Only a dozen a year? Well, how about none for two and a half dozen years? The last time I was forced into a movie house, I had to sit, for a few minutes, through a Jane Fonda propaganda film of some kind.

I did see an excellent movie on TV recently, something about San Francisco. It included the best ever singing scene in any movie I ever saw — Jeanette McDonnell singing “The Holy City.”

Even in the good movies like “Sound of Music,” “Music Man,” and other entertainment movies, I had to go for a walk for a few minutes in the middle of the film, but all I really missed was a few minutes hugging my most Beautiful Sweetie.

These days with the garbage generation level of beauty, talent, and ability, not much can be expected. All the women in the entertainment industry sport the Whore-do hair style (she just jumped out of bed, or is ready to jump into bed), OK sometimes just called bed-hair, all the clothes are black, dark and ugly, so what could be expected.

Have you noticed that in the music industry, every one is so ashamed of what they are doing, the never use their real name. Remember Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Dean Martin, Fred Waring, and on and on. They not only used their real name, they had a music talent, so stood there and sang. They did not need to jump around, up and down, to distract the audience from the almost complete lack of music talent, as is done today.

These days the stars are called Pop Tarts. If you have not been to jail recently, if you have had a marriage that lasted more than a couple of weeks, all the photographers (I mean jerks carrying a camera) will now ignore you.

Well, I guess by now have gotten the idea of my opinion of the so-called entertainment industry these days. I didn’t try to name any of the current crop, I don’t see enough about them to know who is supposed to be a star, or how to spell their names.


Mrs. Paddy
I think he said it at some interview. But, it is funny!!

Max. Speaking of Lee Marvin.
"Point Blank."

Lumber. I have to agree that "Troy" was modified. I think the constraints of time might have had something to do with it. But for pure panoramic visual splendor, it was quite an accomplishment.

YLG. Didn't see "Alexander." Was that with the Irish Russell Crowe wannabe, Colin can't think of his name? And I will not see anything where Orlando Bloom plays an action hero. A strong wind would blow him down. He was barely adequate as a poltroon in "Troy," but watchable in a comedy role, ie" "Pirates of the Caribbean."

Good morning, Motley
I forgot the Great Escape and Guns of Navarone. I need a top 25 list.

Regarding drive-in movies, I visited my brother in Las Vegas last year, and there is a drive-in there with about 7-8 screens. People bring lawn chairs, coolers full of food and drink and tune in the movie's sound on their boom boxes. We watched "Cars" because my nephews are 5 and 7, but it was quite the fun evening. Nothing like the fun evenings of my high school years(!), but fun nonetheless.

religiouslib...
I was a bit of a prude in those days and the Farmer was very respectful of my Dad's reputation and his double barrel. I am an only child and a daughter at that.

My Dad would always go out and inspect the Farmer's 58 chevy making sure the tires were good and such. You can imagine my sweetie's chagrin when his best tire blew out on a sharp rock when we were backing out to go on our date. My Dad was not amused and immediately provided a suitable replacement.

P.S. The tire's were usually tread bare due to our first love (over going to the movies) of drag racing!

I fell in love
with Lauren Bacall as Slim in To Have and Have Not. Other favorites: Clockwork Orange (only recently read the British version of the novel, which puts a completely different spin on Alex), Lord of the Rings, the first five Marx Brothers movies, Star Wars (especially the original trilogy), Casablanca, Bringing Up Baby (if I can't have Bacall, I'll take Hepburn). Never have liked Woody Allen, and have walked out on several of his movies. I got a kick out of Independance Day and Men in Black...give me escapism! Last movie I saw in a theater: Ratatouille.

So WHo Has....
the best underdiscovered great movie.

I nominate "Night On Earth" with music by Tom Waits?

YLG
Great Nicholson quote. What movie is that from? ROFLMAO

Lumberjack7392
Sounds like a weekend getaway is in order!

I still remember drive-ins. When we were stationed in Hawaii, we would go every other weekend, since we could take our newborn. I'm glad to hear there is one in Ennis, though. Since we go visit my brother in Dallas, we can make a stopover easily!

YLG
Yes. I've seen Keeping Mum. Kinda dark, eh? I agree with your addition of Ingrid Bergman...was she a gorgeous woman or what?

There really are a lot of great actors out there. Too bad the movie plots are getting tired. The over-use of the F-word (among other things) just denotes a lazy writer, IMHO.

Well, gee this has been fun. I may check back later, but hubby just called and he's FREE for a while (was at a meeting and getting his leave squared away)so I've got a better offer than talking movies....And that is saying a LOT because I love to talk movies/actors/directors!

Thanks to everyone who sent good wishes on his safe return from Afghanistan, btw! We get to celebrate Christmas next week! :-)

Cheers!
~Julia

MotleyCrue writes:
And how could I forget
my all time favorite chiller "The silence of the Lambs."

Morning YLG/Lynn/Lumberjack, et al.

"Silence of the Lambs" is good, but when it comes to chillers nothing holds a candle to "Psycho." The Alfred Hitchcock version that is. Now there was a man who could scare the crap out of you without spraying blood ad guts everywhere.

LEST WE FORGET!
I read all the comments. You left out the hardest worker of all; Spencer Tracy! Because he was such a worker a lot of films were best forgotten: But who can forget "Bad Day at Black Rock". Have not seen it in years but still remember.

List of Favorites
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
Gone with the Wind
Casablanca
Rear Window
Tequila Sunrise
Splendor in the Grass
E.T.
Dances with Wolves
Big
The Last of the Mohicans

Mrs. P, not a
particularly good movie, in the worthwhile category. Dean Martin and Joey Bishop were very funny and it was a light hearted, western spoof.