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Monday, September 25, 2006
Burt Prelutsky :: Townhall.com Columnist
An Islamic speaks out
by Burt Prelutsky
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Recently, I posted a piece “Jihad This!” in which I stated that the time for political correctness had long since passed and that, at least so far as I was concerned, America’s entire Muslim population was suspect. For one thing, large numbers of them continued to wire funds to terrorist organizations even after 9/11, and instead of speaking out against their fellow Islamics or placing a reward on Osama bin Laden’s head, they bellyache about racial profiling.

Frankly, I expected that a lot of people were going to take me to task for denouncing millions of our fellow Americans. That didn’t happen. In fact, only one person, a Muslim living in England, took strong objection to the piece.

In the following exchanges, I believe he represents what we would regard as the moderate wing of his religion. As usual, I represent only myself. Michael opened with the following: “Your article was extremely ignorant, incorrect and inflammatory. It is clear that you are pleased to use atrocities being committed today by some wayward individuals to attack Islam itself. It is a great pity that men such as yourself should be given such a platform to express their prejudice and spread misinformation. Muhammad never converted anyone to Islam by the sword. This is not my opinion, but is established fact. Islam being the newest and most influential of the great world religions, is also the most accurately documented in history, so there is simply no basis for what you are saying.

“People like you would fan the dangerous flames that are threatening to engulf the world at the moment, without regard for truth or the consequences of your lies.

“What a shame that you have such a platform. What a shame. One wonders how many more there are like you, seeking to engulf the world in your ignorance. No wonder the world is in such a perilous situation.”

Burt: “Michael, please get a grip. The world is not in peril because of my words, whether or not you like them, but because of the disgusting misdeeds of your co- religionists. But you obviously prefer to direct your righteous indignation at me instead of at the people who are committing cold-blooded murder in the name of Allah.”

Michael: “How do you know that I have not already directed my ‘righteous indignation’ at my erring co-religionists? I’ll have you know that six or seven years ago, before September 11th, I spoke directly to one of the leaders of Hamas during a live BBC radio phone-in. I told him that he and his group were committing grave crimes in the name of Islam. He said they had the right to defend themselves. I told him that Islam laid out clear rules of engagement which Hamas and other similar groups broke, and I listed those rules on the air. I told him that I sympathized with the suffering of his people, but I believed that what he was doing was wrong and, as a Muslim, he did not represent me. He had no answer to any of that.”

Burt: “You sympathized with his suffering?! What suffering that hasn’t been brought on by the leaders of the PLO and the other terrorist organizations? Were you perhaps sympathizing with his having to exist in a world contaminated by the existence of 5,000,000 Jews in Israel?”

Michael: “So why don’t you get a grip? Instead of playing dangerous games with your lies and misinformation, why don’t you try to work to address the real causes of these problems, and I’m not talking about the Middle East.”

Burt: “So far you haven’t been talking about anything except what a bad man I am for writing what most Americans are merely thinking. If not the Middle East, what did you have in mind? Perhaps the Islamic killings that have taken place in Russia, Spain, the Philippines, Indonesia, Africa, France, Holland, New York City?”

Michael: “Whatever the cause, the inequalities that exist between those two peoples who inhabit the same land (Jews and Muslims) have led to suffering on all sides. Palestinians are living in (sometimes extreme) poverty and have to watch the luxurious living of the Jews. This leads to suicide attacks which means Israelis can’t enjoy their high standard of living with peace of mind. I think this is acknowledged by people of all persuasions.”

Burt: “So jealousy is your idea of a rational motive for mindless butchery? If poverty is the issue, why don’t the oil-rich Arabs help their brethren? How is it that Arafat died a multi-millionaire and his widow lives like a queen in Paris? Why didn’t the Arab nations welcome in the Palestinians instead of allowing them to rot in Gaza in “sometimes extreme” poverty for the past six decades? Why is it that when Israel gained statehood in 1948, the Arab nations immediately confiscated the land and property of its Jewish citizens, and sent them packing?”

Michael: “But this is not the point. The point is that the episode I described to you, my exchange with the man on the radio, demonstrated that true Islam and the actions of people like Hamas, Al Qaeda, etc., are not related. Instead of acknowledging this, you keep trying to provoke me with your pathetic cock-eyed reasoning, which I don’t even think you subscribe to yourself. You probably just want some inflammatory jihadist quotes from a ‘real life’ Muslim you talked to on line, for your unfortunate column.”

Burt: “Au contraire. My point is that it is exactly people such as yourself who provide aid and comfort and excuses for the actions of the terrorists. You even excuse suicide bombers who target school buses and pizza parlors on the basis of poverty. Would you be so quick to use the same reason to excuse poor Baptists, Jews and Catholics, in England if they suddenly began blowing up civilians?”

Michael: “The real cause of the world’s problems is that 25% of the world’s population (Britain, the U.S., Europe, rich Arabs who are their puppets, etc.) are living on 85% of the world’s resources. They would like it to stay that way, while the 75% of people living on 15% of the world’s resources would like a better standard of living.”

Burt: “Why so reluctant to mention jihad? Many people in the world are poorer than Arabs, but they don’t use poverty as an excuse to sever the heads of their victims. How exactly does blowing up school children raise anybody’s standard of living? Since most of the people that Muslims murder are other Muslims, your argument doesn’t hold even a thimble’s worth of water. And the fact is, America has gone to the assistance of Muslims more often than their fellow Muslims have….in Serbia, Somalia, Kuwait and, yes, even in Iraq, by removing Saddam Hussein.”

Michael: “That is the root cause in my opinion. If for example the West (for want of a better description) was seen as seriously addressing this by basically rejecting protectionism in all its forms, including wars for oil, then the problem of Arab/Mid Eastern inspired terrorism (which is really only a problem for the West and those connected to it; the rest of the world has other more serious problems that perhaps Americans don’t know about) would fade, I believe.”

Burt: “You have no basis for thinking that. Islamic terrorism is a concern of people all over the world. And what makes you think we went to war over oil? You’ve been watching CNN way too much. Apparently you failed to notice that we didn’t confiscate Kuwait’s oil fields in 1991. And we could certainly have done business with Saddam Hussein; we might even have wrangled sweetheart deals the way France, Russia and China, did.”

Michael: “Don’t reply unless you are going to say something serious and sensible. Also, as a Muslim, I would like an apology for what you said about the prophet Muhammad. I don’t expect one, but I think I should ask for one, and it would be sensible if you did so.”

Burt: “Apologize for what? For pointing out that he created a religion whose holy book dismissed non-Muslims as infidels, and referred to Jews and Christians as monkeys and pigs? So far as I am concerned, our discussion is at an end. You have written nothing thoughtful or informative. You have merely excused the barbaric acts of your fellow Islamics; you have not indicated revulsion at their butchery. At the same time, I suspect that if I had written a piece attacking England, you wouldn’t have been offended or defensive. Like most of your kind, you have no allegiance or loyalty to your homeland, only to Mecca, and then you wonder why your countrymen distrust you. Farewell….and try not to blow up any trains today.”

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Rolls eyes
First Michael claims that the problem is that there are too many poor arabs, then claims that it all the West's fault for its protectionism (including wars for oil). No doubt he'll eventually move onto that opinion that the poverty was caused by Western protectionism. It really disturbs me that he believes that suicide bombers are only a problem for the West. Quite frankly it sounds to me as if he is at least tacitly, if not outright, condoning it. To bad he doesn't see that how many in the West view muslims.

MacZed
Loved the speech man. We're all Crusaders now.

Where are all the Muslims in the USA
Why have have they not stated their position

CAIR states it for them, Bob
And that says it all.

Islamic ignorance
Is not an excuse for suicide bombing. Or is it?

The head of the nail was hit...
and Muslims everywhere respond with a deafening silence - how appropriate. As each day passes, it becomes increasingly difficult to presume innocence until proven guilty, but we must continue to do so. I expect that fear has more to do with a lack of moderate Muslim response than anything else. Much as fear of the KKK and institutionalized racism kept America's blacks silent through the first half of the 20th Century, so the vast majority of Muslims are kept silent today by a force more violent and detestable than the KKK - radical Islam. The word "radical" is used only because I still hope to see the "moderates" take their religion back. If not, at some point in the near future, the word "radical" will become superfluous when applied to Islam.

Someone else's wisdom
Someone recently wrote, and I can't remember who, that they hate us not for what we are but for what they're not. Makes sense to me.

What are we that they're not? Well, for starters, we're relatively free in our life choices. We can choose from a large variety of things, limited only by our imaginations and concience. What some of us do on a daily basis is only a wild, secret, dream to most muslims.

Imagine the internal conflict many of them must have. All their lives they are exposed to the hate rehtoric and told they are not allowed to think any other way. They "hang out" only with like minded individuals. But what about the ones who deep inside think other thoughts, and feel guilty about it.

Michael appears to be one of these. Trying to defend that which he is and let the inner thought out only to have it stifled by the indoctrination and threat of severe physical harm must really be frusrating.

Moderate Muslims
Since the State is the Church in Islamic belief a policy statement rejecting violence from the American Muslim community is not forthcoming. At this time it would not be popular or wise to admit that Islam trumps the USA. However, wait until the tide of battle turns in their favor. Then you will see here what you see elsewhere in the world today.







morons
A poll showed 70% of ivy leaguers stated their lives would not change under Shari law. Don't underestimate the stupidity and ignorence of the American people. Look to Holland and Spain and Israel as to where this is going.

What needs to be done...
is to take the security from the rulers of the countries where Islam is prevalent over the populace. The leaders of those countries are the rich ones... look at what has happened to Iraq once Saddam was taken out... the people's net worth went up... consumerism increased because the people had more money because it wasn't consolidated into a handful of leaders who were intent on holding onto it, by force. Then the argument that Michael gives of poverty creating the rebellion of Islam would fall flat.

I suspect that muslims that emigrated here to the USA would like to denounce their allegiance, but with the threat of death for converting hanging over their heads, they won't. They're too weak. The ones that are radical here, if you look at their background, one way or the other, they've been suppressed... maybe not financially, but probably mentally (I'm speaking of the home-grown ones here). But the ones that emigrated here have likely found freedom from poverty... otherwise, they wouldn't have emigrated because the government wouldn't have let them come. You have to support yourself substantially, or have someone sponsor you to ensure that you don't end up on the welfare system.

You missed an important opportunity
Burt,

When your correspondent wrote the following, you had an opportunity to address the single-most important issue raised in that thread. He wrote: "Muhammad never converted anyone to Islam by the sword. This is not my opinion, but is established fact."

I am not well-versed in the Koran or the Hadith (authorized traditions about Mohammed), but I have been reading Robert Spenser's "Islam Unveiled." Between what I have read in the Koran and Spenser, there is no end of direct evidence from the Koran and the Hadith to prove that Mohammed himself ordered the coersed "conversion" of the cities he had conquered by the sword. It is this that has to be shouted from the housetops, in my opinion. Islam is unlike any other religion in the world.

I think I had an exchange with michael
Or some other British muslim just like him

He broke off communication when I refused to offer a full apology for all of my negative comments about Islam and Muhammad as the starting point for our "dialogue".

What he really wanted was noting short of intellectual dhimmitude.

MacZed that was great
Couldn't say it better.

MacZed
I wish you were right, but everything I see tells me you are wrong.

The Pope has caved in and is pandering to these enemies of Christainity, trying to get them to come visit him at his summer residence...for what?

The President refuses to see islam for what it is and, as more and more Americans die at their hands, keeps mouthing the same, "islam is an honorable and peaceful religion".

France, Germany and Spain have all lost their national identity and can no longer be counted on as allies because they fear the muslim backlash in their countries.

Israel has its back to the wall and the world joins the side of the enemy condemning their heroic stand against aggression.

Iran is about to acquire a nuclear weapon and all the free world can do is sit around whinning about it.

The American government is allowing thousands of muslims a day to emigrate in.

It is like we are being brought down by our own government and our own incompetence.

I fear the first you shall hear of 'the bomb' is when it is detonated in Seattle or New York or San Francisco, not Iran. I also fear that as soon as our ten-thumbed two-left handed government sees the destruction to a major city and is delivered of an ultimatum, it, too, like the Pope will fold like a used accordian.

And that just leaves us.

RhymesWithRight
It's amazing how similar leftists sound when they are trying to argue something they cannot support with facts.

Now and then I get a comment on my own blog from a guy who disagrees with my plain-spoken view of the world.

His latest missal accuses me of having an Ivy-league education, which trust me, is not the case. Then he goes on to say I blow a lot of smoke but say nothing, using the words "enigmatic" and "grandiloquent." I can't do a thorough check, but in two years of blogging, I don't believe I've ever used a single four-syllable word. Ironic, no?

But I suppose it's immoral to carry on a battle of wits with someone who is poorly armed...

Proof
In reading this Islamic nut jobs reply to Bert I was thinking of just a short time ago when Isreal pulled out of Gaza, leaving intact farms, nurseries, businesses of all kind.
What happened? Did these poor, peaceful people use what was left to become self reliant? No, they destroyed everything.
These people are kept ignorant and do not understand they are killing a whole generation of their people.
Maybe we could get a secret way of steralizing the breeders then we could stop this madness.

Convert by the sword
If Mohammed never converted anyone by the sword it is probably because he was too busy killing them.

islamowackos
It is my understanding that islam gives one a choice of converting or dying. If one converts they are then charged a head tax and become a second class citizen. That's a laugh. If one is a second class citizen to a muslem, then I guess they suddenly revert to being an amoeba. How can one become a second class citizen to dirt?

An Islamic speaks out.
Burt, Your column points out, so well, the glaring differences between Islamists and the Infidels with the latter being, for the most part, the good guys!! Now, let's make the next very important step, ie. from good to holy - true holiness!

islamowackoes
Greyhound, These so called humans are not dirt, they are plain good old PIG SH**. They say how holy they are to wards God, Who's god, not our .The God we all revere is kind and forgiving. The islamofascist basically I don't believe to be a religion, that is a word they use to try to get the Human race to recognize them. They are a CULT they worship Mohammad the so called Allah they pray to. As far as trusting them, I would not trust an Arab or Muslim whichever you would call them, as far as I could throw them. They would just as well stab you in the back as look at you.I believe that it is time to throw out of this country all the aliens that are here, legal and illegal and take back our country for our selves.

Islamic Murderers
I think it is time we started calling Al Qaeda similar types and their allies by their correct name, Islamic Murderers. Calling them terrorists, totalitarians or fascists just doesn't tell the whole story. It is also important to remember that those who assist the performer of a murder are also guilty of murder. Those who assist include those who provide any (financial, logistical, shelter, etc.) type of support to the actual pilot or suicide bomber. This includes anyone who knows of plots in advance and anyone who provides shelter or protection to the actual performers of the murders. So, let's call them what they are Islamic Murders.

An Islamic speaks out
One thing I would like to ask your co-orespondent, Bert. And that is,
" Do not all Muslims study and believe the same text, the Koran?" How many references are made therein to either Conversion, Subjugation, or " the sword", or death to the infidels?

There are no " Moderate Islamics". The all want only one thing, the demise of Western Civilization, with them IN POWER. That's what it's all about, POWER OVER THE INDIVIDUAL by the cleric leadership, and they all actually believe they are destined to rule the world, and won't rest until they do, or they're all dead. I prefer the latter.

Can you say " mushroom clouds"?

The Old Coot

Bonehead
I choose Crusaderdom.

Greyhound
That was a funny post, I laughed out loud!
It is hard to live in my neighborhood, two blocks from a mosque, I wanted to fly the Israeli flag along with my American one, my husband was against it for safety's sake.
If we don't begin deporting certain people, we, as a nation, will live to regret it.
Gone are the days of my Grandparents, who upon arrival in the early years of the previous century, BECAME American in their hearts and minds, so grateful were they to be allowed the privilege to be in this great country.

terrorism = wealth creation!
Burt, shame on you for failing to acknowledge how blowing up a bus full of school children increases the per capita wealth of the region. The denominator in this equation is reduced by the number of victims, the more the better apparently, while the numerator is decreased only by the value of the bus and that of a few backpacks, textbooks, and school uniforms. Any grandmothers also killed on the bus would have the further effect of reducing pension liability. Sounds like a plan!

When will people get it?
Islam is NOT a religion. It is an army. It is the Army of Islam. And it is 1 Billion strong. Every muslim is a soldier in the Army of Islam. There must be understanding that ALL muslims want us converted. Or killed. Or both. The "moderate" muslims are the support troops for the "Islamofacists" or shock troops or front line troops or SS or whatever you wish to call them. They are ALL after the same goal. Again, the ones referred to as 'moderate' but never seem to condemn the atrocities of the islamofacists are NOT 'moderate'. Their job in the Army of Islam is to supply the front line troops, disburse payments for operations and to go into target lands and become "moderate" while spying out the land and setting up business to funnel funds to the front lines. They are the spies, the intelligence corps and the support the front line troops need. In any army.
Forget trying to get any condemnation from the 'moderates'. It ain't comin'.

see and hear the movies
Too many to count is the number of times I have seen the Passion of the Christ or some other Christ movie. Dont even mention the 10 Commandments.

Since literature is not helping us (we seem to flock to this joke of a website) perhaps watching movies will help.

Here are some y'all should watch before spewing hate; it will help with the dozens of misinformation/misconceptions (here? no kidding!)...

Movies:
Islam: Empire of Faith (PBS)
Muhammed: Legacy of a Prophet (PBS)
Malcolm X (Warner Bros)

Websites with factual information:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/faith/islam.shtml
http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/Intro_Islam.htm
http://www.islam101.com/dawah/
http://www.cmgworldwide.com/historic/malcolm/index.htm


Q: what do christians in the middle east call GOD?
A: ALLAH; they are refering to the SAME BEING.
Besides the word ALLAH emcompasses 99 unique and glorious attributes of GOD...

rodent or snake? who cares?
After 9/11 and all our efforts before and since to extend the benefits of Western Civilization to the benighted corners of the Earth, most of us no longer care whether the malcontents label us "ugly".

The "moderates" don't...
The "moderates" don't speak out because there are none. Islam's history is one of evil. Ann Coulter is right and at one point America is going to wake up and elimnate the Islamic cancer from the face of this earth. It time to start by nuking Medinah and Meccah. (Radiation treatment is a good way to kill cancer cells!)

history vs propaganda
The former instructs. The latter misinforms.

History demonstrates that Mohammedanism's contribution to civilization was as librarian, and that function ended in 1085. It has done nothing since but retard the progress of its adherents and slaughter or tyrannize its opponents.

And that, ladies and gentlemen...
...was a moderate muslim.

KuntaDaddy
Allah is NOT God. The Quran directly contradicts the Bible. In fact, Islamic doctrine denies the deity of Christ which is one of the distinguishing characteristics of the antichrist according to the Bible. 1 John 2:22: “Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.” Islam is an evil religion made up by the so-called prophet, Muhammad. Muhammad was a rapist, mass murder, thief, pillager, slave trader, and slave owner. All of this is from Islam’s own histories. Why should we believe you or anyone else from this religion of liars (Islam) which was invented by a liar (Muhammad)?

A speaking Muslim!
Well, we must thank our lucky stars that we know of at least one Muslim "apologist" who apparently is unafraid to speak his so-called mind.

We must also be thankful that his inimitable powers of persuasion did not sweep you into the wide-open jaws of the laws of terror (Koran?)

I cannot imagine a more fearful opponent for the U.S. than a Burt Preletsky as an American Jihadist journalist.

Watson

Ive been searching for a way to express the fear imposed on Moderate Muslims. Youve done an excellent job.

Moderate Muslims are more at risk from the radical Islamists should they attempte to speak out than Westerners.

Here we go again
Bravo, Burt! And Kunta, are you more concerned with our appearance than with truth? The whole sweetness and light routine while spewing hate and anger is getting old. Either grow up and offer a solid argument, or buzz off. Anyhow, a depressingly funny interview with one who has become all too typical of those who seek to speak for Islam. What ever happened to the enlightenment that was Umayyad Spain or Baghdad before the Mongols? Science, learning, comparative tolerance... where did it go? Seeing that such a civilization is possible, it's actively distressing to see the barbarians of today howling at the gates for our conversion or our lives. Given that choice, I choose the Crusade...

To Stan47
You posted: "His latest missal accuses me of having an Ivy-league education, ... in two years of blogging, I don't believe I've ever used a single four-syllable word."

Uhhh, ed-u-ca-tion?

Heheheh....

take the oil
Since we are always being accused of taking their oil why don't we take it and get it over with???? They don't need it, they are content with living in the 12th century. Their leaders and playboy princes are all abusing the oil revenues by livig like infidels. We would cut off the money supply to these peaceful bomb makers and maybe help bring the sane muslims into the 21st century.

Fear
40,000 Taliban controlled 8,000 000 Afghanis. These were not disarmed gitlie men, but the same hardcases who kicked out the Russkis. Think how much easier the willingness to use Sharia law would work in the USA against Muslims who only want to make a living and if anything wouldn't mind at all a Muslim takeover. So average Muslims keep their mouth shut and 1 armed purposeful wolf drives 200 sheep where he wants them to go. If you won't fight for your turf, you won't keep it long. The folks who won't fight for this country are irrelevant. They won't fight for anything. The armed committed few carry the day. Remember Valley Forge.

Watson
You have correctly identified the reason there are no Moderate Muslim voices. Fear!

Other factors include the basic differences all Americans have to other cultures, especially the Middle East cultures; i.e. belief and reliance in scientific answers to a broad range of daily life events, fair play, and a willingness to search for the "truth".

Islam foments a broad "fatalistic" approach to intrepreting life and its surroundings. Remember, a Muslim prays five times a day. They go to the Mosque, they repeat chapters from the Koran, they sit in social groups under the watchful eye of the Imam. Business relationships and image is based on conformity to the "philosophy" prevailing in that Mosque. There is no central control so the personality of the Imam dominates the philosophy. Some wealthy Saudi businessmen with western standards build and staff their own mosques. My My.

Burt Prelutsky
Dear Mr Burt.
Either you are manifestly ignorant of the facts on ground or you are intentionally misguiding every one. Your spreading of misinformation is grossly inaccurate and painfully manifest.

Even the man riding a donkey cart on the dirt path of Afghanistan knows it very well that Osama was an American despot general in Afghan war, fighting for US to oust Soviet Union. An adventurous, henchman and a well paid, staunch proxy.

Fall of Soviet Union and retreat of US from Afghanistan, were the proof of his valour and resilience as a General. Soon after, to deplete and quash local forces in Afghanistan, Osama along with his forces were wilfully disgraced and abandoned.

Finding himself in disgusting situation, he took a turn to take revenge from his, once a sugar daddy-USA. Since then a bout is on and game is given a new name, ’War on Terror’

In this ‘US-Osama Bout’… from where comes religion-Islam in it?

Osama Bin Laden and co is American problem... Please don’t stretch it too far and stop dragging Islam or Christianity in it.

Your comments are flagrantly flaming, flaring and painfully manifest….
Your deliberation is a tastelessly indecent effort… just to cause affliction to Muslims in particular and humanity as a whole. I hope you realise it soon and go with the truth!

Other side of the coin is that Osama and co, are still, proving to be loyal friends!

USA wants to stay put in Afghanistan to pursue her planned onslaught toward Iran and …beyond.

And mere survival of Alqaeda is serving as an umbilical cord to fetter this cause and prolong the stay!


Great column
I don't disagree that fear keeps some moderate Muslims from speaking out, but the recent protests - and the protests over the Mohammed cartoons back at the beginning of this year - should show the world that Islam is not some religion whose extremists hide only in caves.

People on British streets carried signs that read "Death to those who insult Islam" and many other threatening slogans.

The MAIN problems the West faces in its confrontation with Islam are three-fold:

1. The failure of some - including President Bush - to recognize and engage in an honest dialogue about what Islam is. When he called terrorists and their cohorts "Islamic facists", he hit the nail on the head.

Unfortunately, many on the left in this nation pulled out the politically-correct card and whined about how we must not use inflammatory language. The left in America does not recognize the concepts of good and evil, and this will prove detremental to us all.

2. The divisiveness in this nation. We have the left - who, in the 1990s - also argued that Saddam had WMDs and that bin Laden was a threat. Yet they did nothing. We saw the impotent rage of Bill Clinton on television last night as he defended his eight-year failure to do ANYTHING productive to catch bin Laden, rather choosing to call interviewer Wallace the frontman of a "conservative hit job".

The left is so blinded by political correctness and an unabashed hatred of Bush, that NOTHING productive can be done to win this war. We can't wiretap, we can't interrogate prisoners, we can't call those who wish to destroy us what they really are because every time we do the left lays an egg about it.

3. This is the most important part - a lack of faith. We in the post-modern West have nothing to live for; secularism has become so engranged in our culture that organizations like the ACLU spend more time fighting against Christians than anything else.

Without strong faith, we have nothing in this world (or after this world) to live for. And the problem is these terrorists have something to DIE for. So either we reaffirm our faith in the God of Christians and Jews, or we face death at the hands of those who answer to a much more savage god.

Has anyone noticed
the stupidity of the remarks of Michael the Muslim? He tells Prelutsky that years before 9/11 he confronted a Hamas spokesman on a call in talk show. claims that he told the terorrist that what they were doing was wrong. Now forgive me, but what does his exchange with a member of Hamas on a radio program have to do with Muslims speaking out against the jihadists?


That is a stupid, no, make that a retarded claim. All over the world Muslim monsters are slaughtering people, many of their victims being other Muslims. This idiot says that his phone conversation on some unheard of phone in, rebuts the criticism that "moderate" Muslims don't speak out against terorrism.


I was struck by something here. This retarded Muslim sounds exactly like some retarded Mexican amnesty activists. They make a stupid comment, and when it is disposed of by the person on the other end of the debate, they immediately start with the name calling.


You know, come to think of it, that is exactly what the leftists do.

Pistol
Valley Forge. I remember it in History Class. But the Americans at Valley Forge had a National leader (and soon to be President) on their side. I am afraid that when the push comes to shove today, the Feds will be protecting the muslims from the American people, while at the same time wringing their hands over their inability to protect the American people from the onslaught of the muslims. In other words if you and your family get slaughtered by a jihadist or whatever you want to call him, not too much will be done, but if you return the favor, you will be charged with a "Hate-Crime" which sounds a whole like "Newspeak".

Well said, Bert
Unfortunately, that's how to debate a cult member, if one has to.

Allah is Not GOD.
Allah was a pagan moon god kept in Mecca with 365 other pagan stone idols. Mo and his family worshiped that idol. In his lust for power Mo used that idol to further his evil ways. He married a 9 year old girl and also liked little boys. Allah does not even mean God in the Arabic language it is the name for that stone pagan idol. Mo murdered over 100 people and his book tells his followers to cut off the heads and finger tips of those who will not bow down to his twisted ways.

what burns you more?
What is our biggest problem?

Prejudice instilled by fat-cat preachers and hate-mongers
or
The yiddish/jewish lobby in cohorts with the defense contractors
or
both - the difference is hard to distinguish between the two groups

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5382192.stm

Honestly - you dont have to lie to yourself because God surely knows what lies in your deepest thoughts.

and I can hear the ranting of jackasses already.

To MacZed
I like what you say, but we have lost our collective spine, because the church of Secular Humanism has declined to label evil and acknowledge its threat.

We hold back now; we won't drop the Bomb. Imagine what will happen if the leftists regain the power of the presidency. We might as well roll out the red carpet for the Islamofascists. After all, their beliefs are no more right or wrong than our own. Liberals love to freely partake of the sacrifice of others, yet seem constitutionally incapable of practicing what they preach. "Tolerance for all", except, of course, for those with whom they disagree. And Equality is their god. They know no other.

jillybeans
What burns YOU more? Those who attack the innocent or those who defend themselves?

Based on the article that you provided a link to, I'd say the take-home lesson is this: Lebanon had better not allow any more attacks on Israel from Lebanese soil. World Peace, man.

Khokar
That was hilarious! Really. Your post about Osama was perhaps the funniest thing I've ever seen. Sarcasm taken to new heights. Precious!

Can you imagine if someone really thought that way. We'd have them sent straight to the looney bin.

It was just too good!

Khokar
Where comes from your great humor?

Instructed to lie
One very big problem in understanding Islam is that their religion instructs them to lie to Christians, and non Moslems in order to deceive and defeat them.

In other words, anything a Moslem tells you is likely to be false. This is his religion. That makes dialog with Moslems very unproductive unless you can solve the riddle. In this regard everything you are told by moslems is a lie, everything you are told by christians is the truth. All are either truth tellers or lie lyars. The question then becomes is Bill Clinton a Moslem?
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