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Tuesday, August 29, 2006
Bruce Bartlett :: Townhall.com Columnist
Court ruling shakes ground under IRS
by Bruce Bartlett
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Last week, a federal appeals court in Washington handed down an important decision relating to the definition of income for tax purposes. What is important about the decision is that it is the first one in decades saying that the Constitution itself limits what the government may tax. If upheld by the Supreme Court, it could significantly alter tax policy and possibly open the door to radical reform.

In the case, a woman named Marrita Murphy was awarded a legal settlement that included compensation for physical injury and emotional distress. The former has always been tax-exempt, just as insurance settlements are. Obviously, it makes no sense to tax as income the payment for a loss that only makes one whole again. One is not being made better off, and therefore there is no income. But under current law, compensation for non-physical injuries are taxed.

Murphy argued that just as compensation for physical injuries only makes one whole after a loss, the same is true of awards for emotional distress, as well. In short, it is not income within the meaning of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. The appeals court agreed and ruled that her award for emotional distress is not income and therefore not taxable.

Tax experts immediately recognized the far-reaching implications of the Murphy decision for other areas of tax law. Tax protesters have long argued that the 16th Amendment did not grant the federal government the power to tax every single receipt that it deems to be income. Yet in practice, that is what the Internal Revenue Service does.

The problem is that the very concept of income itself has never been defined in the tax law. It is pretty much whatever the IRS says it is. Tax analysts generally use a definition devised by two economists named Robert Haig and Henry Simons, which says that income consists of consumption plus the change in net worth between two points in time.

But the Haig-Simons definition goes far beyond that in the tax law. Most importantly, it includes unrealized capital gains. There is also no place in the Haig-Simons definition for things like 401(k) plans, individual retirement accounts or other retirement savings, nor for lower tax rates on realized capital gains.

Under Haig-Simons, owner-occupied homes would be treated as businesses, with homeowners taxed on the implicit rent they pay to themselves, less depreciation. And if your home's value increased over the course of a year, you should pay tax on that even if you didn't sell your house.

Now, clearly, the IRS is not going to do any of these things, nor would Congress allow it to do so. But because tax analysts implicitly accept the Haig-Simons definition of income, even though it appears nowhere in law, there has been a long-term tendency for the IRS to push the limit of what can be considered taxable income. Now, a federal court has said there is a constitutional limit.

One area where I would like to see the court go further has to do with the question of whether interest constitutes income. To economists, some portion of the interest we receive on our savings is merely compensation for loss -- loss of the immediate enjoyment we would receive if we consumed our income today instead of saving it.

Think of it this way. Would you be satisfied receiving your paycheck a year from now instead of on payday? Of course not. You would be suffering a real loss if you had to wait a year to get paid for your work. But if you were offered, say, 10 percent more in a year, you might say that was OK. Collectively, our willingness to put off consumption today for greater consumption in the future is what determines the pure rate of interest.

But in the view of many great economists, such as John Stuart Mill, the future interest one receives is merely compensation for the loss of immediate satisfaction. Therefore, it is not income, but more like an insurance settlement that simply makes us whole. Now, obviously, market interest rates are more than simply a discount between present and future, as my example implies. A lot represents a return to risk and an adjustment for expected inflation. But in principle, some portion of interest is compensation for loss and therefore not income.

Given the logic of the Murphy decision, it is quite possible that the risk-free, inflation-adjusted rate of interest could also be excluded from taxation on constitutional grounds. Following through that logic consistently would revolutionize taxation and eventually lead to a pure consumption tax, which most economists today favor.

I'm not predicting that the Supreme Court will follow this logic. But it does open an interesting possibility that tax analysts will follow with interest.

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This sounds great.
I like the whole idea.

Let's get the IRS out of our pockets, especially on things like the death tax.

Illusory Gain
I think Bartlett is reading far more into this than what's actually there.

IMHO, the absolute *best* that we can expect out of this will be one more obscure piece of tax ruling, added to already existing fleet of garbage scows full of rulings, that will merely identify one more specific type of income which is not taxable.

And the worst, more proabable scenario, is that it will end up being taxable after all.

In the meantime, no matter which way they rule, if you find nickle on the sidewalk, you'll still be legally obligated to pay Uncle Sam a penny.

Hardly ground-shaking.

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IRS
The federal government should be limited to taxing imports and exports. The constitution suggests that is their area.

Americans made a huge mistake with the 16th Amendment, and it is time to change.!!!

16th Amendment
How about this for tax reform? The 16th Amendment, the sole basis for the Constitutionality of the federal income tax, says that CONGRESS shall have the power to lay and COLLECT taxes on income. Yet the IRS is the agency that actually collects the income tax. And the IRS is not part of the legislative branch, but the executive branch. And the executive branch has no constitutional authority to collect income tax. So every penny collected by the IRS was collected illegally, and a refund is due.

Regards,
Trevor

Congress's authority
The last line in Art 1 Sec 8 says congress has the authority: "To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

Which means they can create an agency to collect the taxes they impose.

A new hope
Bruce,

Thank you for writing something newsworthy concerning a financial topic. So many articles are just shameless solicitations for financial planning “services” or other revenue generating schemes.

It is refreshing to hear a gleam of hope regarding the potential to fix our tax law. However, pinning our hopes to aggressive litigation and judicial activism may not be the firmest ground upon which to stand.

Interest Income
If interest is not income, then why do people loan money?

See, you can view the principal as capital, and the interest as the return on investment. Inflation would be the business expense under that model though, and could be deducted as a necessary and ordinary business expense.

commoner
They can't tax exports unless I'm mistaken. Well, they can tax exports, but they have to be from a territory - exports from states are not Constitutionally taxable.

Taxing those things shoots us in the feet, though, with higher prices for imported goods, reduced competitiveness of domestic producers, retaliatory tarriffs in other countries, and, in the case of taxed exports, reduced competitiveness of American products overseas.

UncaAlby
I'm afraid that you're probably right - this is not likely to make a dime's - scratch that: due to inflation, now I have to say a dollar's - worth of difference in our daily lives (or on April 15 of any given year).

That National Sales Tax is looking better and better to me all the time.

But I work for.......
Suppose Joe Fonebone works for Acme Widgets, for $15/hr. He uses only a fraction of all the knowledge he has, but 15 years ago, when he was fresh out of college, Acme Widgets was hiring and nobody else was. Now, Joe's not sure he wants to give up 15 years of seniority. But he could make $20/hr if he worked for XYZ Corp; should the $15/hr he's making now be considered income? He's only getting $15 for each hour he wastes at Acme Widgets!

Then again, if Joe worked for a certain local government regulatory agency, he could help his brother-in-law better understand local building codes, and that would help his brother-in-law's construction business. It wouldn't be so accurate to say that he's wasting time. Would the $14/hr at the local building inspectors agency be considered income?

As usual, when the government - especially the Federal government - gets involved too much in our private lives, they make things excessively complicated.

Brian R
The Death Tax is unconscionable in that it again taxes dollars that have already been taxed. Any accumulation of wealth has already been taxed when it was earned. To tax the estate is to simply comfiscate without any justifiable rationale.

I need to investigate the Fair Tax. BTW, congrats on making the What's Hot list with your blog.

Who says?
Who says it has to be "income" to be taxed? British Petroleum is looking at lower revenues this year due to their pipeline shut down in Alaska, with that their taxes should go down. The Attorney General for Alaska is looking into FINING BP to make up for the state's lower tax revenue.

If that's the case I propose the federal government impose FINES on the under producing citizens of this country to make up for the taxes they are not paying.

Repeal the 16th Amendment Now!!!
Let's put an end to the "prohibition" that restricts the natural use of our earnings.

GEM



Scottie: Thanks
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Shaking the IRS
Thought provoking article and comments. It raises some questions in my mind. If the Murphy/IRS decision survives the Supreme Court:

* Will annuity payments be taxed? The dollars we bought them with were already taxed as income and it is a policy issued by insurance companies.

* How about the corporate buy-out packages that people received as incentive to leave a company?
I viewed it as compensation for loss of employment since I was told I was being 'downsized' whether I took the buy-out or not.

* Dividends on investments?

Any ideas?

The Fair Tax solves all this stuff!
Enact the Fair Tax and the worth of everything will be as pure as the market can make it. And, it will not be the government's business how much money you make or how you make it.

Got an illegal immigrant problem, say 10 to 15 MILLION people who don't pay income taxes because they're paid under the table? The Fair Tax solves that problem. EVERYONE, legally here or not, pays their taxes at the cash register. All God's children need to eat, after all -- and buy new homes, clothes, cars, iPods, pet treats, etc., etc. And EVERYONE (at least all US citizens) gets paid up front -- by the government -- for the calculated Fair Tax amount to the official poverty level. So those who actually choose to remain at that level of income will pay not be penalized by the Fair Tax. In fact, the incentive to move above that level increases, since there is no increased tax for improving your income, except as you choose to pay it through increased consumption that your increased income allows, if you choose to increase your consumption. So I wouldn't think many folks would stay at the poverty level or below for very long.

Spend a lot more money than you need to and you pay more tax. Live frugally, save and invest, retire early on rapidly growing, UNTAXED wealth, and then pay your taxes as you consume in retirement to craft your retirement lifestyle as you wish. Or, pass on your accumulated wealth to your prodigy and let them pay the taxes as they spend it, if that's what they decide to do with it. The point is, it's your money and you decide what to do with it and how, not the government as it takes it's "cut" off the top every step of the way.

Oh, yeah -- you know the truly wealthy -- those folks who have very little income to tax relative to their wealth? They'll pay their share of taxes at the cash registger also, according to their consumption habits. Buy a new mansion, pay a lot of tax. Buy a new yacht, pay a lot of tax. Forego the mansion or the yacht, invest the money instead, and grow your wealth while boosting the economy.

The time for the Fair Tax is past due; the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because those who have power over so much of our lives through the current tax laws are loathe to give that power up. Well past time to take if from them, I say.

Why tax inflation?
Mr. Bartlett writes that market interest rates represent "a return to risk and an adjustment for expected inflation. But in principle, some portion of interest is compensation for loss and therefore not income."

But why tax even the interest eaten by inflation as it's just "compensation for loss" of buying power.

Fair tax (Bug Your Reps)
HR 25
The Fair Tax bill. Embrace it. Write/call/email your reps/sens and have THEM embrace it. Let them know your opinion and that you will be closely reviewing
HOW THEY VOTE on HR 25 in order to vote for the right candidate!!!!!!!

Viva America, Fire the IRS

Taxes
The logic behind the IRS is give us a finger and we'll take your hand. What about the pain and suffereing from having to do your taxes every year for your whole life? The only thing worse might be a visit to your dentist.

Even if it holds up...
...as being unconstitutional, you could sooner expect a constitutional amendment than a trillion dollars in refund checks being mailed out.

The politics would be interesting. Who knows where the public discussions might lead?

Great article!
Thanks, Bruce. Yours is easily the most informative article that I've read at Townhall for many months.

Fair Tax?
Taxes will be fair when they aren't used to engineer the economy. The Fair Tax gives businesses a big break.
Businesses use and need government services just like everyone else and should pay their share.
If you say, as many do, that businesses don't pay taxes, people pay taxes, then explain why there is such an effort made in the Fair Tax to exempt businesses?
The part of gross revenues a business should pay taxes on would be that part that is retained earnings. And under the Fair Tax scheme, they should pay taxes upon all end point purchases. No more tax free latte machines in the offices.
If you say that business generate economic growth, you'd be half right. You need a healthy market for that to happen. Take 23% from consumers and, even though it may be revenue neutral to the IRS it is going to be a whopping hit in the wallet to the consumer. $3 a gallon gas now becomes $3.66. Nice. That $15,000 entry level car now becomes $18,450 not including state taxes, excise taxes, title, registration fees. How competitive!
When you consider the ever increasing numbers of people who, because of low earnings and/or exemptions who pay no tax at all you are going to stick them with prices like these? WOW! Whata plan, man.
I see there is a rebuttal to Bartletts' differences of opinion on the Fair Tax on the Fair Tax web site.
I need to go read more on this, but it just sounds like a huge shifting of the tax burden onto comsumers which will be unevenly borne by those with less.
I hate the current system but this doesn't sound like a fix.

One of my biggest beefs . . .
. . .with the current income tax is the cost of compliance for individuals. The federal is not nearly as bad as some states; in fact, compliance with the state income tax is the ONLY reason I buy software to do mine every year.

Take California, for example. CA doesn’t have a personal exemption, it has a maximum personal tax credit of $72 that comes off your total bottom-line obligation (this is to prevent a personal exemption from benefiting a “rich” person more than a “poor” one. The credit also has a minimum of $64 (these numbers are old but illustrate the point). To determine where an individual’s credit falls between these two amounts, one must first calculate a worksheet. But results of that worksheet direct you to one of a number of OTHER worksheets where you FINALLY arrive at the actual credit you get to take, a credit that is somewhere between $64 and $72 !!! All this effort for a difference of only $8 out of a tax bill of thousands!!!

I have since moved to Arizona, and while its income tax is much less, compliance is much more difficult than CA’s (if you can imagine that!). I refuse to get involved in the intricacies; I just let the computer do it.

It just seems to me that some system could be devised, whereby there wouldn’t be a whole lot of difference in what the government collects and individuals paid, that eliminated filing for individuals. A lot could be accomplished in this direction if the law were changed so than only the states could tax individuals, and the federal government taxed the states.

Sanity at last
Just as physicians have been looking into a patient's mental state as well as physical, it is about time that money paid for emotional healing be on par with that of physical healing.

I would caution against a "consumption" tax though. Having been poor from 2002-2005, I can fairly say the poor need every penny they get, whereas the rich can afford to lose some in taxes. My wife and I made $36,000 annually during those 4 years (less than one-half our normal income), and it took every penny I had to keep what I'd worked years to get.

Is it fair to lose my house bought in better times because I would have to pay tax where I had to pay none before? My situation was temporary, so it's not like I bought beyond my means. I simply held what I had until times got better. I thank God I paid no tax for those 4 years, or with my divorce, my kids would now be homeless. They and my ex at least have the house I bought for them. A consumption tax would have put me out of it in short order.

Fact: the rich pay most of the taxes. If you cut them to a flat tax, the government will either have to sharply curtail spending or run deficits like we've never seen before. Simply put, I don't believe the rich don't spend all they earn, so it wouldn't be taxed at rate it is now. A boon for them, a loss for the government.

For Jay_in_Milwalkee -- Poor Taxpayers
I would caution against giving poor people tax breaks just for being poor.

That's what we have now. Huge populations of Americans who pay ZERO federal income taxes.

What this creates is a perverse incentive. These people will happily vote for expensive measures and for pork-laden politicians who promise these expensive measures.

Why not? They're not paying for any of it!

Of course, being poor is no picnic. It's not supposed to be. Nevertheless, I believe *all* citizens *must* share some part of the burden in running this great country. Somehow, that ought to be part of the definition of being a "citizen."

IRS Elimination
You folks don't seriously believe that anything that anybody has come up with as yet is really going to get rid of the IRS?

Come on! Get real! We're talking about a government bureacracy here!

I think it was 1975 when Great Britain finally closed down a civil service post, where the primary duties of that post were to stand out on the Cliffs of Dover looking out for Napolean.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF, now just ATF) is a Treasury policing bureau started primarily in response to the enforcement needs caused by Alcohol Prohibition in the '30's. Prohibition went away, the ATF did not.

Besides: don't forget the IRS's enforcement arm. Just because we come up with some superior tax scheme doesn't mean that there won't be people out there trying not to pay it. So you're still going to need an IRS, or some sort of policing organization, that will go after these deadbeats.

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that, no matter what else happens, we are very likely going to be stuck with IRS *lo-o-o-o-ong* into the foreseeable future.

For sedonaman
"A lot could be accomplished [...] if the law were changed so than only the states could tax individuals, and the federal government taxed the states."

Ah! You mean repeal the 16th amendment!

Wonderful plan! :-)

Poster's Fair Tax misconceptions
I am encouraged by the discussions of the Fair Tax by a number of posters. The questions and concerns are very good. I encourage you to study the Fair Tax. The more people learn about it the more they are sold on it. I've seen rabid flat tax advocates switch their support to the Fair Tax after gaining a true understanding of it.

I hope I can clarify a few points of some of the previous posters.

The example NRAlifer uses an example that makes the Fair Tax (FT) sound like a flat tax, which is simply another type of income tax. The FT is a user-end consumption tax. The Fair Tax eliminates all income taxes.

Jay-in-Milwaukee is concerned about the effect of the Fair Tax upon the poor. Please check the details. The poor make out like bandits under the FT. They not only have a greater buying power (as explained below) but they get a rebate for any taxes they may have paid during the year. As it is now, a large percentage of the price of any item they buy has hidden taxes included in the price of the item. In short, any taxes paid in the collection, production, transportation or trade of that item is included in the price of the item. All those are removed with the FT.

Mike expresses a common misconception of the Fair Tax. He states: "Take 23% from consumers and, even though it may be revenue neutral to the IRS it is going to be a whopping hit in the wallet to the consumer. $3 a gallon gas now becomes $3.66. Nice. That $15,000 entry level car now becomes $18,450 not including state taxes, excise taxes, title, registration fees"

All the taxes imbedded in the price of an item are removed. The Tax Foundation has studied the total costs of all taxes in a variety of items. If I remember right, about 36% of the price of a car is imbedded (invisible) taxes. That means, for example, the steelmaker pays taxes on the raw materials. The auto manufacturere pays taxes on the steel. Tansporation companies pay taxes each time the items are moved. Intermediate brokers pay taxes with each transaction. Payroll taxes, import duties (a tax) and othe taxes are included. The auto dealer pays taxes on the auto and an inventory tax for simply having the vehicle on his lot.

You ultimately pay all those taxes in the price of the car you buy. With the FT all those taxes go away. There will be a period of price confusion, as with any market change, but eventually competitors will discover they can sell more vehicles and increase profits when they reduce the costs of the item to account for the removed taxes.

Prices will eventually settle after the old inventory with imbedded taxes is moved out. Afterward the price of your current $15,000 car will cost $9,600 (Using 36% imbedded tax model). The 23% tax will apply to the $9,600 price. OK, what happens to the old inventory with the imbedded taxes? After a while, once people see the prices go down on the newer items, the price will go down on the old inventory. No dealer wants to hold on to old inventory.

Regarding Kozinator13's comments: Let's say that people do buy more used items or refurbish old items. Will the dealers of new items and their employees suffer? Perhaps. Or their sales may increase because our buying power will be dramatically improved after the imbedded taxes are removed from the cost of the items. Otherwise, it could provide new opportunities for people to move into or expand the used and refurbished market. Workers who may be dislocated from one job will have other opportunities that open. Will it be painful for some? Yes, but all change is uncomfortable. It is a part of life. But those changes will be fare better than living under the continually growing restrictions the Income Tax places upon individuals and the economy.

Stargazer's post
Well said, sir!!

To Scottie re the "death tax"
You wrote: "The Death Tax is unconscionable in that it again taxes dollars that have already been taxed. Any accumulation of wealth has already been taxed when it was earned. To tax the estate is to simply comfiscate without any justifiable rationale."

I, too, tend to think the "death tax" is unfair - BUT - it's not completely true that 'any accumulation of wealth has ALREADY been taxed when it was earned.' Think about it - a millionaire buys stock at $15/share back in 1960, holds onto it until he dies, and passes it on to his son when it's now worth $50/share. The son's "basis" in that inherited stock is now $50/share, so when HE sells it at, say, $60/share, he'll only have to pay tax on that profit of $10/share. Same goes for an inherited mansion that has increased in value 1000%. If "Sonny" wants to sell it immediately after dad's death, and he sells it for what it's valued at on the date of death, then there's NO income tax owed on the money received for the sale, since there technically was no "profit."

I think a fairer way - to make all those "rich" kids who didn't work for it pay their fair share on what they inherit - would be to value the items inherited at the PURCHASE price - that is, the price Daddy paid for whatever it was (house, stocks, bonds, etc.), when HE got it.

Fair enough?

A response
"That's what we have now. Huge populations of Americans who pay ZERO federal income taxes."

And those people are dirt poor. The tax on up to something like $24,000 for a family of four is 10%. Of course they get most or all of that refunded.

Let try "we have huge populations of CORPORATIONS who pay no taxes." That's why Reagan reformed taxes back in 1986. Because in prior years the 100 richest corporations in America paid no tax. GWB's reform of 2002 refunded that 16 years of taxes. (It's _Still_ the Economy, Stupid by Paul Begala - I know, consider the source, yada yada yada. It doesn't change facts, at least those purported in his book.)

I used to make in the low 70s. Going from memory, I paid something on the order of $7-11,000 in FICA before deductions (mortgage int. and property taxes) and usually got back 3-4,000 for a family of four. Taxes kick in around $36,000-$43,000 for 4 people, and that's about where it should be. Anything below that you need all you can get.


"What this creates is a perverse incentive. These people will happily vote for expensive measures and for pork-laden politicians who promise these expensive measures."

Show me a Congressman with no pork and I'll show you a one-termer.

'Of course, being poor is no picnic. It's not supposed to be. Nevertheless, I believe *all* citizens *must* share some part of the burden in running this great country. Somehow, that ought to be part of the definition of being a "citizen."'

I did "share" for the last 4 years. In fact I got some back (which was promptly spent on overdue bills). But out of 25 years of working, that's the only time I've been a suck on the tax teat. I'll be back paying this year, and happy to do so. It means prosperity has returned, at least in some form.

Stargazer
Excellent post! You have expalined FT far more clearly than anyone else I have read. Thank you!

Poor taxpayers
In response to UncaAlby:

I wasn't worried about pork when I was poor. I was worried about people like Herb Kohl who voted in early 2003 to up the H-1b and L-1 professional guest worker visa limit from 65,000 to 185,000. The tech sector was already hard hit, workers were available and plentiful for that sort of work, but he voted to import them from Asia instead of hiring Americans.

Pork? I was worried about my erstwhile profession being there in a few years.

Well, it's 2006, Herb's up for election and I have a good memory.

Taxation, tax breaks and VOTES
I have never been completely satisfied that Amendment XVI has ever been tested to see if the ratification process was completely legal and "by the book", in that it didn't repeal certain sections of the Constitution as applied to taxation.

Taxation never "feels good" for the person paying it, and clearly there is no "equal protection" when it comes to taxation. The tax code is rife with "special favors", granted in so many wasy as to boggle the mind, and it negates the "self-incrimination" provision of Amendment V. The IRS can question (audit) anyone any time and if the IRS says "you owe" something more, is is a rather scarey feeling, because you must prove you are innocent.

But when one looks carefully at the tax code, ask yourself, just WHY does this or that family or business deserve special TAX treatment. Family planning was NOT part of the duties of the federal government, nor was private business planning. For years people got tax breaks for NOT conducting business, and maybe they still do.

The test for all of these "special interests" and that includes most of us, is "How many votes or contributions did these breaks buy?"

After all, shouldn't potential parents be the ones to decide how many children they have or if they can afford them at all? If I go into business, shouldn't the business decisions rest solely on the product or service I wish to provide at a price and profit? Sure, "government" says it offers "tax incentives", but governmemnt intervention in families has led to greater incentives for divorce than family stability, and the complexity of the code not only adds to the cost of doing business but gives incentives to "cheat".

Without any doubt in my mind, Amendment XVI allowed more intrusion and prompted more corruption than almost any legislation in history and even opened to door for the Social Security Act which has probably bought more votes than any other legislative "family" of laws.

Let's face it though, politicians never met an "increase in collections" taxation scheme they didn't like, particularly if they could hide behind some benevolent sounding "need".

Excellent Post, stargazer !!!
But you and all of our fellow Fair Tax supporters failed to include in their posts a source of more information.

Anyone looking for more information on the Fair Tax should go to http://www.fairtax.org.

And make sure you use the .org suffix. There is also a .com site using the same name; it's nothing but an advertising site with links to other sites that sell all sorts of things -- some of them even tax related but only a couple related to the Fair Tax.

The best and most official information on the Fair Tax though is the Library of Congress at http://thomas.loc.gov/ (notice that there's no www in that address). When you go there, search for HR 25 (or S 25) to display the actual legislation as proposed by Representive John Linder. It's a surprisingly easy read.

FairTax and what we have now
I will not rehash all the comments from above. I have studied the FairTax since 1999 and I believe it to be the best Tax Reform Alternative today. When someone finds something they do not like, I remind them of the current system. The FairTax, on its worst day is 100 times better than what we have now. I would defy anyone to analyze their likes and dislikes about the Current system and the FairTax and be able to say the current system is better. It cannot happen.

I happen to be a logical operations type person. The inefficiency, the waste, the unfairness of the current system really bothers me. There is no logical reason for what the current system has evolved into. Thanks for reading.

FairTax and what we have now
I will not rehash all the comments from above. I have studied the FairTax since 1999 and I believe it to be the best Tax Reform Alternative today. When someone finds something they do not like, I remind them of the current system. The FairTax, on its worst day is 100 times better than what we have now. I would defy anyone to analyze their likes and dislikes about the Current system and the FairTax and be able to say the current system is better. It cannot happen.

I happen to be a logical operations type person. The inefficiency, the waste, the unfairness of the current system really bothers me. There is no logical reason for what the current system has evolved into. Thanks for reading.

XVI Amendment
The Supreme Court has held that the 16th Amendment gave congress "no new powers of taxation". They have NEVER had the right to tax a persons regular earnings or profits, no matter what tricky definition the IRS attaches thereto.

I am amazed at the sheer number of citizens who won't let themselves ask the simple questions regarding the glaring inconsistencies between the Constitution and the tax code as enforced.

Are you one of whom is afraid to ask?

Fairtax Constitutionality
While Bartlett's article focused on the IRS, all of you Fairtax advocates might want to consider the constitutional aspects of HR25. No question that Congress can lay an ad volarem excise tax (sales tax) on all of us. But under the time honored Supreme Court doctrine of "intergovernmental tax immunity", I believe there is a serious constitutional issue with HR25 also treating all state/local government agencies as consumers. Our republican form of government consists of both federal and state soverign governments, both acting on the same people within the same territory, but with different functions to serve the people. Chief Justice Marshall wrote that "the power to tax is the power to destroy", and there will likely be a state challenge to HR25 as written, particularly if it can be shown that there is a significant economic penalty to taxing the states.

FairTax Constitutionality II
A "Supreme Court doctrine" is not constitutional law and most certainly does not trump laws enacted by the people's representatives in Congress. If you are going to question the constitutionality of the Fair Tax, please cite an exception in the U.S. Constitution.

Secondly, it would be very difficult to show any economic penalty of the states in lower prices (even including the Fair Tax) and the .5% retained by the states for collecting the Fair Tax. (Merchants would also retain .5%.) Now, before anyone suggests that .5% is a pittance, I'd like to point out that the Dallas Area Rapid Transit authority has built a very nice rapid transit system on .5% of sales in the area served.

Poor Paying Taxes - Response to Jay
Don't be fooled by the current system. The working poor are paying taxes.
Payroll taxes = 15.3% (7.65% + 7.65% from employer or employee if self employed) These go away under the FairTax.
Gas, Alcohol, and tobacco already have a Federal tax added at the sale. Hence tax included. Not to mention the imbedded cost of corporate taxes on every item you purchase.
The interest rate your paying on your home or any other loan is 20-30% higher due to corporate taxes.
The current system was designed to hide the actual amount of taxation. It is working.

Fairtax Constitutionality
Chuck--(1) The doctrine (or precedent) of intergovernmental tax immunity has indeed caused the Supreme Court to overturn many laws passed by the "representatives of the people". I can't point to a specific provision in the Constitution exempting states from federal taxes. But this quote from a recent SC decision may be helpful in clarifying the issue.
" The immunity of the States from federal taxation is no less clear because it is implied. The States on entering the Union surrendered some of their sovereignty. It was further curtailed as various Amendments were adopted. But the Tenth Amendment provides that 'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.' The Constitution is a compact between sovereigns. The power of one sovereign to tax another is an innovation so startling as to require explicit (constitutional)authority if it is to be allowed. If the power of the federal government to tax the States is conceded, the reserved power of the States guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment does not give them the independence which they have always been assumed to have. They are relegated to a more servile status. They become subject to interference and control both in the functions which they exercise and the methods which they employ. They must pay the federal government for the privilege of exercising the powers of sovereignty guaranteed them by the Constitution".

There are a mind boggling number of Supreme Court writings on this very old issue of constitutional law. A good starting place might be 78US113 followed by 326US572, and finally 505US144. Just google Supreme Court and have at it.

(2) It's really rather easy to make the case that HR25 will impose a huge economic burden on state and local governments. Unless you believe that all government employees will accept their current net pay as their future gross, the only offset to the 30% sales tax on the purchase of new goods and all services would be the employer share of FICA, 7.65%.(Governments don't pay income taxes, unlike businesses.) And, according to HR25, governments will have to pay the tax on the burdened cost of all payrolls. This could add 50% to the basic payroll costs,and, when added to the tax on new goods, results in an economic burden on all governments of over $400 billion annually. In addition, HR25 tries to avoid cascading taxes by limiting the states to imposing sales taxes on the pretax cost of a good or service. If pretax costs fall by around 12% as stated by the Fairtax administration, the additional cost to the States will be over $35 billion annually.

In short, the Fairtax inclusive rate of 23% is not revenue neutral and would have to be raised to 30% inclusive to achieve revenue neutrality.

Constitutionality of the FairTax
The FairTax Director of Research, Karen Walby, provides the following comments on the subject:

"Before the FairTax bill was filed in Congress, it was drafted by two experienced tax lawyers who have been Congressional Staff as well as having litigated tax cases. Once they had the bill drafted, they assembled a “review committee” of several tax attorneys and acknowledged tax law experts from academia. This group found no issues regarding the constitutionality of the FairTax."

In addition, I am corresponding with a number of constitutional scholars who may be willing to provide additional input on this issue. I'm not at all convinced that there may be a constitutional challenge, but in view of the track record of the income tax,(which finally required a constitutional amendment), any assurances would be welcome.

Fairtax Constitutionality
Chad--I also received Dr. Walby's assurances about the HR25 review process, but choose to go with Neal Boortz's admonition--"Don't believe anything you hear or read. Do your own research and make up your own mind".

I contacted about a dozen constitutional scholars chosen at random by googling "constitutional scholars" and basically learned that the issue is not "settled law". The doctrine of intergovernmental tax immunity is implied in the constitution. However, over the history of our country, the Supreme Court has gradually moved toward rulings which limit the states immunity. For instance, state enterprises now have to pay federal taxes if the enterprise is not necessary to the state's carrying out of their fundamental responsibilities. However, in all the case law I have read, the courts have not approved a federal tax on the states if it can be shown that such a tax would interfere with the sovereign rights of the state to do its job for the people.

My guess is that ten years ago when the review was supposedly done, all parties probably believed that taxing governments was a zero sum game- that is, governments would save enough by the elimination of the income tax to offset the Fairtax. And adding government consumption to the taxable base had the desired result of lowering the Fairtax rate by 5-6%. Today, I just don't believe that is possible unless all government employees take a significant gross pay cut. On the bright side, I have been assured that the new base/rate study, still awaiting release, will make the case that there will be no impact on governments. Stay tuned!

You are quite right to seek assurances. Imagine the chaos that could result from a prolonged constitutional challenge.
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