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Thursday, September 04, 2008
Brian Fitzpatrick :: Townhall.com Columnist
Pro-Gay Journalist: Palin's Religious Worldview "Controversial"
by Brian Fitzpatrick
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In an obvious attempt to create a Jeremiah Wright-style scandal for the Republican presidential ticket – and to marginalize conservative Christian values – Huffington Post National Editor Nico Pitney is questioning the religious beliefs of GOP Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her former pastor.

A Sept. 2 Huffington Post (HP) article by Pitney and Political Reporter Sam Stein begins with an ominous headline: “Palin's Church May Have Shaped Controversial Worldview.” They write, “And if the political storm over Barack Obama’s former pastor Jeremiah Wright is any indication, Palin may face some political fallout over the more controversial teachings of Wasilla Assembly of God.”

Pitney and Stein label Palin’s worldview “controversial,” and quote snippets from Wasilla Senior Pastor Ed Kalnins’s sermons that paint him as extreme.  Wasilla Assembly of God church member Karissa Nelson told CMI what she thought of the HP story: “It’s sad how people twist your words.”

In his effort to marginalize Palin’s religious values, Pitney appears to be advancing a political agenda.  Just two weeks ago, the self-described “advocacy” journalist was scheduled to participate in a panel on opinion writing at the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association convention in Washington, D.C.  Pitney told CMI he is neither a homosexual nor a member of NLGJA, but he is clearly an ideological fellow traveler.

According to the NLGJA convention program, Pitney “oversees politics coverage and Huffpost’s original reporting unit.” Before joining the leftwing Huffington Post Web site, Pitney was deputy research director at a progressive think tank, the Center for American Progress (CAP).

In a revealing interview with the homosexual Web site Queerty, Pitney described his work at CAP as “opposition research on conservatives and conservative ideas, policies and figures.”  He said he moved to the HP Web site because, “…with Huffington Post, I have the ability to do some more advocacy oriented stuff if I want to and also I dig up new information through the journalism we do there…” 

Homosexual activists have long identified conservative religious believers as their greatest enemies in the battle to obtain their social and political objectives. Furniture magnate Mitchell Gold, who organized an NLGJA convention panel on religion reporting, said, “the single biggest [obstacle] to gays having equal rights in the country is religion.”  As reported earlier by CMI, Gold’s panel focused on reducing conservative religious influence on public policy.

In their HP article, Pitney and Stein criticize remarks Palin made during a June 8 speech at Wasilla Assembly of God, her former home church. Palin asked her audience, students graduating from a ministerial training program, to pray about foreign policy issues and Alaska’s efforts to build a gas pipeline.  According to the authors,

Palin’s address, much of which was spent reflecting on the work of the church in which she grew up and was baptized, underscores the notion that her world view is deeply impacted by religion. In turn, her remarks raise important questions: mainly, what is Palin's faith and how exactly has it influenced her policies?

To define Palin’s faith, Pitney and Stein quote what they describe as “provocative” and “eyebrow-raising” statements by Wasilla pastor Ed Kalnins.  The minister’s teachings, however, may not be as controversial as Pitney and Stein believe. The HP writers display a very poor understanding of conservative Protestant theology and language.

For example, Pitney and Stein quote Kalnins saying in 2004, “I’m not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person [Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry], I question your salvation. I’m sorry.”   As they understand the statement, Kalnins “questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven.” Their interpretation of Kalnins’s remarks conflicts sharply with the evangelical Protestant theology of salvation.

Properly understood, Pastor Kalnins was not saying that God would punish people who voted for Kerry by sending them to hell. Kalnins was saying that a person willing to vote for Kerry probably had not already received salvation. 

Evangelical theology teaches that a person is saved based not on how he votes, or any other action, but on whether he places his trust in Jesus’s sacrifice to pay the price for his sins. Trust Christ today and you’re “saved” today.  Therefore, salvation is not so much a future event as a present possession.  Once people are “saved,” however, they undergo a spiritual transformation that affects the way they think, behave, and vote. 

Other liberal media outlets are also inquiring into Palin’s religious beliefs.  Wasilla Assembly of God member Nelson told CMI the church is being deluged with inquiries from reporters. 

ABC News Senior National Correspondent Jake Tapper posted a blog yesterday with the headline, “Web Site With Speeches and Sermons From Palin's Former Church Shuts Down as Religious Views of Candidate Face Scrutiny.”   Tapper’s headline implies that Wasilla Assembly of God is trying to stonewall media investigation of Kalnins’s sermons, but the church asserts that its server is unable to handle the heavy traffic of the past few days.

Tapper acknowledges, “‘WasillaAG.net was never intended to handle the traffic it has received in the last few days,’ says a message on the church Web site. ‘Due to technical limitations, WasillaAG.net will be unavailable for the immediate future.’” 

Will the media give Wasilla Assembly of God, its pastor and its most famous former member the benefit of the doubt, or will they try to create a scandal over Sarah Palin’s religious beliefs?  Bet on the scandal. 

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con't
Double standards on that score are easily pointed out and constantly denied or ignored in this argument against gay civil freedoms.
What I'm observing is every ludicrous attempt to rationalize those double standards, instead of examining WHY they happen.

Fitzpatrick isn't the only one that sees a conspiracy of gay citizens to undermine instead of get along.
An irrational belief that challenging language that incites to violence and inferior treatment is wrong. A union of gay people is a union plotting to overthrow hetero institutions.

The utter irrational PARANOIA that seeps into EACH and EVERY article on gay people.
Most of you are a fight looking for an enemy that isn't there, and gay people are the easiest because they are the most DIFFERENT, but no less committed to serving their society in as competent a way as possible in SPITE of your efforts.

People of faith should be concerned with fairness and what that fairness will result in, not denial of fairness and making up bad reasons for it's denial as you go.

oh and ICE and the others
Gay people are not obligated for ANY reason to change, integrate your religion or be denied their humanity and social conscious to make YOU happy.

And the happiness of gay people does not come at the expense of what YOU want to believe, just what you try to control.
It's not YOUR right to control gay people or deny their access, as I said...to do the same things that are considered of merit when anyone ELSE does it. Nor should gay people be punished and denied for the list of 'sins' also committed by anyone else who isn't gay.
This destroys the merit in the foundation of the golden rule and the credibility of those who say their moral values are faith based.
They should be MERIT, goodness and EQUALITY based. And no protest should rise, nor new set of standards impossible to meet, when gay people challenge or exceed your own constantly moving bar of expectation.

ICE
You're going to have to just deal with the fact that gay people ARE adults, talking about adult freedoms and access...not sin.

You and too many others try to make RELIGIOUS arguments, against something that is a CIVIL and SECULAR issue and non exclusive behaviors.
It is an inappropriate as law makers waving Bibles in state and federal law making assemblies to support segregation and women's subjugation on laws that concern THEIR lives, not YOURS.

Gay people, performing and competent in PUBLIC endeavors that are meritorious when heterosexuals do it, BEGS equal standing as you are trying to deny it UNJUSTIFIABLY.

THAT is the point. Equal standing and protection for equal public and civil situations.

As for private ones, consider that religious belief is unenforceable ESPECIALLY in individual adult bedrooms. Straight people don't put up with YOUR beliefs for that reason and wouldn't in civil, secular governance and gay people have no reason to either.
NONE.

eddie too
I wasn't talking about individuals, I was talking about the system of laws and governance in our country and those who make and enforce them.
The progression of this country has been built on the solid track record and creed of equality.

But you picked something general to make a personal attack (as usual) since your own arguments about gay people in general have ALWAYS been stupid and ignorant.
It's TH and it's articles on gay people that characterize homosexuals as victimizing the entire social structure of our country just by engaging in the same things of MERIT heterosexuals do every day without challenge.
Now, here comes ICE...acting as if oh so expert on homosexual motives and abilities.

He gave himself away as spectacularly unenlightened by saying homosexuality is a 'lifestyle' followed by 'sin'.
Competent social scientists wouldn't even use those two words in any observation to begin with.

Your language, eddie...and that of the majority of TH on issues concerning gay people resemble the language of the worst systems of cruel isolation ever built in the world and with no more justification.
But plenty of material, however ludicrous to try and justify it.

There is nothing to overcome!
Homosexuality is a sin to "some" religious beliefs but religious beliefs are NOT and never have been a reason to deny equal rights to LGBT people! The separation of church and state is there for a reason!

LGBT are entitled to EQUAL RIGHTS as much as anyone on this forum or anywhere else! No amount of "scare tactic" is going to change that.

Homosexuality is not something which needs to be "overcome"; it is a perfectly normal variation of human biology. The medical/scientific communities are also in agreement with this except for fringe elements with strong ultra-conservative religious beliefs!

And to 'eddie too' talking about same sex sodomy again! When are you going to accept that straight people perform this act which you think is so evil and sinful?!? How two people make love is really none of your business anyway but yet in virtually every forum you keep bringing this up with never an acknowledgement on your part that gay people are not the only ones who do it!

That seems to be your #1 argument for trying to deny EQUAL RIGHTS to LGBT people! Sad!

ON OVERCOMING HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLES:
Extract from: Part Two: “Discourse on Gay and Lesbian Marriages”, by Ivan Erickson, author of “Song of the Storm Winds” – available via direct links to amazon.com/books on my website, http://www.ivan-erickson.com Please visit my site to read and comment on this and other discourses. Also, please be aware that I love all people of all faiths and ethnicities of whom God loves, and this is the reason why I continue to toil to bring the Truth and the Light of God to all those who are seeking:
“...What do I mean by stating that one can overcome this type of sin through perseverance? I specifically mean that there may be those types of sin – such as pedophilia or homosexuality – that you may always have the urge within you to commit throughout your entire lifetime, perhaps. The Apostle Paul confessed that he was afflicted with an urge to commit an unspecified sin, and for which he had prayed three times to overcome. The desire of sin was so intense that Paul described it as a thorn in his flesh! The LORD did not take the urge to sin from him, but more importantly, He assured Paul that His Grace would suffice to help him overcome the burning desire in his flesh every time he was tempted by Satan and Its demons to commit this particular sinful act”. May the beloved Lord continue to bless each of you in all things, always.

eddie
I can only speculate on Obama's actions. I'm sure he wanted to avoid having to explain all of Rev. Wright's views which are only a distraction from the real issues of the campaign. He should have had a better response then Rev. Wright is like a crazy uncle which was ludicrous. The attacks on the Church started in early 2007. He had to know it was coming. He never has fully explained how he could attend the church for 20 years. The implication in the question is that this was a horrendous place to attend church. The following is Mansfield's attempt to answer that question.
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Obama would also find at Trinity encouragement for his intellectual and professional quest. It is not a coincidence that he attended Harvard, practiced law, ran for public office in Illinois, and sought the presidency all after his connection to Trinity began. Trinity called for people to rise, created an environment of learning and achievement, and modeled the pursuit of intellectual excellence. Another pastor might joke about a seminary being a cemetery and about how believers could "get their learning and lose their burning." Jeremiah Wright, a man with four earned degrees, used, as Obama later wrote, "twenty-five-cent words" with regularity. He hired only well-educated staff, put university professors in charge of Sunday school classes, and worked to send the youth of his church to the most reputable schools in the land. Understanding a single Jeremiah Wright sermon might require knowing something of Middle East history, Greek, Hebrew, the amendments to the U.S. Constitution, the causes of World War II, the politics of the Sudan, and the details of how syphilis is spread. Obama thrived in such and environment. It fueled his intellectual curiosity, answered his theological questions, and honored his intention to rise on the strength of his mind.


W. Smyth,

I know little about Rev W other than the videos where he is ranting and raving. I also being a Christian has nothing to do with race, at least for most Christians. A puzzling aspect of this issue is why did Obama throw Rev W under the bus if Rev W and his church were innocuous?

Does this say something about Obama's character regardless of the politics and theology of Rev. Wright?

Dreadnaught
I don't place a lot of weight on someones belief in any particular conspiracy theory. The fact that he is more prone to believe the AIDs conspiracy doesn't surprise me based on the historical record. Have you read the Horowitz material that Rev. Wright references on the Origin of AIDs? I think Horowitz makes a better case for accidental spreading of the virus then a government conspiracy. But how does it use his belief? He uses to make the case that they should put there trust and faith in God, not man made governments. I guess we put it on our coins, but don't like hearing it from a Christian pastor.

Have you read any of Cone's books or other writings? Cone attempts to reconcile the practice of many Christians that used the Bible to justify slavery and 2nd class status of African Americans. Cone doesn't abandon his Christianity, but does conclude that those Christians you discriminate against African Americans are making a "mockery" of Christianity.

Rev. Wright does not agree with everything Farrakhan stands for and takes issue with him on multiple fronts. However his believe in a God that can transform anyone's soul prevents him from joining the hate fest that others have for Farrakhan. His faith in the power of Christian love is clearly stronger then mine any I suspect many others. He does honor Farrakhan for the numerous positive things he has achieved. I would also note that one of Rev. Wright's goals for his ministry was to provide a Christian alternative for people who were being attracted to the Nation of Islam.

DAvid Hart,
you are wrong - and a jerk to boot! Palin did not promote creationism in the schools. You are just angry because she supports the military and her son has enlisted.

dear william smyth:


If you feel honored, we all sympathize.

I only know that your fine Rev Wright accuses white men of concocting the AIDS virus to destroy black people.

I saw him say it; and he also cited from Cone's awful book on Hannity's TV show. He's unapologetic about telling us black liberation theology is his great mission. He also presumed to say Louis Farrakhan was a colossal role model for young black people.

Louis Farrakhan is a totally false prophet, a hate-filled American demagogue, and virulent racist anti-semite.

You choose your heroes from the poorest examples of the African American community. But OK; this is a free country. Take comfort in making a mockery of the Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ. If that's what suits you and makes you feel "honored."

Its an honor to defend Rev. Wright
Eddie,
Having listened to many of Rev. Wright's sermons, having read his books and knowing something about what he has achieved in his ministry it is an honor to come to his defense.
I think the media as a whole did a pretty poor job reporting on Rev. Wright. They mostly just chose to report the controversy. Very few bothered to attempt to figure out if the accusations they were reporting were true. Have you read Mansfield's latest book? In it he writes about how different Trinity UCC was from his expectations based on the media coverage.
Having seen how Rev. Wright's and Rev. Moss's words have been twisted, my expectations for fair treatment of Palin's pastors is quite low.

du,

there is no constitutional limit placed on an individual's mixing of politics and religion. In fact, a close read of history would indicate our founders thought it essential that our leaders mix religion with their politics. To say otherwise indicates ignorance, stupidity or duplicity.

Todd Palin as an American of Native American descent obviously disagrees with you. So, I guess your playing the Native American victim card has been rebuffed. Maybe if you spent more time questioning your paradigms you would sound more coherent.

Bible Readers
I really love the supposed Bible readers who can't tell the difference between poetic language and literal language. Given that we use the "four corners of the world" metaphor today you folks are sterling examples of the success of the American education system.

the tattler
Seems like Fitzpatrick is looking to create a hostile conspiracy of gay Americans where there is none. He's an ardent tattler on everything to do with gay people.

Anecdotal incidents with regard to a religious person, or someone definitively anti gay, is turned into widespread victimization of people of faith BY gay citizens.

Come on people...
There is a Constitutional limitation put on religious political action for a very good reason. It wasn't gay people's, but the Founding Father's idea.

Resentment of the line that THEY drew and blaming gay people for it shows a considerable lack of perspective.
As a woman of part Native American descent, who has intimate communal ties with Jews...the persecution complex of Christians at this point in time, or any time in America, is laughable.


On the one hand, depending on who they are talking to, some Christians remind us all who is in and has ALWAYS been in control, but cry foul when they AREN'T allowed to play politics with other lives not their own.
Girl, please!

The Establishment Clause
The establishment clause states that congress shall make no law establishing a state religion. Arguably, teaching evolution alone without allowing it to be questioned violates the establishment clause given that materialistic evolution is the foundation materialism.

BTW did you know that there is "no religious test" for holding office in the US government? Thus aside from the fact that none of us are separable from our religious beliefs a candidate's religion is of little concern for me. Yes I'm a Christian, and a relatively conservative one. Yes I am more comfortable with leader who believes in a creator if for no other reason than the fact that such a belief may act as a check on the excesses to which mankind is prone.

Did You HEAR

what happened to NObama this past Thursday morning???

He awakened with a moose's head in his bed!

Sorry, I just couldn't resist!

Now that you admit you love Sarah Palin, have you put your money where your mouth (and heart) are, and sent a check to McCain/Palin? I did! Go to http://www.johnmccain.com

NObama is very flush with cash to slam and slander them in the coming weeks before the election. Do SOMETHING to stop him! Do it NOW!

osthode
I'm glad to see that others agree that the Bible is correct on many things about science.

As an engineer, I've studied a lot of science. Geology was one of my favorites. I've also had serious discussions with many professors.

The Big Bang Theory and the start of the universe gives a definate description of how the universe and world started. It does NOT explain what started it. But if you compare it to the Biblical description of the Creation, they are almost the same. But the Bible does tell what (who) started it. The only difference is the time factor - and the Bible says that time is different for God than for man. Without the help of God, who was the one who started it, the writer would never have been able to have gotten that information in that order.

Also, it states that Cain went out and "married a daughter of the land". A lot of people try to insist that this was his sister.

However, an anthropologist pointed out that the modern man (Cro Mangnan) and the Neanderthal co-existed. His belief (and mine) was that the Neanderthal was the "people of the land". The modern man simply appeared without any link between them and Neaderthal.

Both are scientific validation that the Bible is correct.

The Scarlet Letter
Sarah Palin has become the media's target but the scarlet letter they see is "C" because her faith in Christ has been the basis of her conservative views. She not only bears that "C" but has the media's target on her back as they try to discover "weapons" with which to "assassinate" her. Every person who claims faith in Christ should be praying for Sarah Palin and our nation. We are facing a crisis about choices. Will this nation choose integrity over vanity (empty words)?

Stu,

we should not place all homosexuals in the same class. Some homosexuals value purity and chastity. I, for one, have no problem with these homosexuals.

The homosexuals I have a problem with are the ones who celebrate and defend the demeaning and degrading practices of same-sex sodomy. The damage of sodomy to the human condition is obvious. One has to abandon respect for their very nature to engage in same-sex sodomy. In addition, the more people in a society who refuse to respect themselves and others the more coarse and violent the society. Of course, the damage done to society by the spreading of venereal diseases caused by engaging in promiscuous same-sex sodomy is readily apparent.

For sam allen
You write that AG is world's largest protestant church.

Do you have numbers to back this up?

(in advance, shukria)

William Smyth,

whatever Rev. W. teaches and preaches, Barry O. repudiated him. So, do not just blame cons. for Rev. W. image. Barry O. joined the cons. in condemning him. I suggest you take your defense to Rev. W. most prominent critic, Barry Obama.

Same old song...
..."God, guns, and gays..."

Tsk.

Stewing in Alabama
"The biblical truth of the flat earth"? Apparently you have never actually read the Bible, which, by the way, is capitalized because it is a title--even when used as an adjective--as in Biblical.

The Bible indicates that the earth is round. For example, Isaiah 40:22 mentions the “circle of the earth.” This description is certainly fitting—particularly when the earth is viewed from space; the earth always appears as a circle, since it is round.

Another verse that indicates the spherical nature of our planet is Job 26:10. This verse teaches that God has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters at the boundary of light and darkness. This boundary between light and darkness (day and night) is called the “terminator” since the light stops or “terminates” there. Someone standing on the terminator would be experiencing either a sunrise or a sunset; they are going from day to night or from night to day. The terminator is always a circle, because the earth is round.

I've found that most arguments against Bible/Science compatability are based on not knowing what the Bible says. However, no one claims that the Bible is meant to be a scientific book; it merely does not go against what we know to be true in the natural world.


It's All They Have
We should not be kind in the condemnation of the DNC running-dog lackeys’ attacks on Sarah’s credibility: after all, It's All They Have. It just sux to be a Democrat right now: no real ideas, no fathomable spirituality, and no safety nets under the platform. Surviving the media warthogs is the least of Mrs. Palins’ worries, I think, because the cattiness of the femi-nazi is just getting warmed up. Next, from the worst of them in The View, we’ll hear that her shoes don’t match her skirt (by the way, did you notice that at the GOP acceptance speech last night that a pantsuit was not present?) or, perhaps the media darlings will endlessly discuss the temerity her second youngest daughter displayed to kiss and play with her baby brother when she should have been listening to the speeches: but then, after all, It’s All They Have.

“My friends don’t be distracted by the brown noise and static.” – John Mc Cain, RNC Convention Sept 4, 2008 when protestors tried to interrupt his acceptance speech
McCain/Palin ’08 - See You at the Polls!

Chris
> I don't care whether it's popular or not, the truth is the truth and facts are facts - Homosexuality is wrong and harmful to body, soul and spirit. I pray our leaders are not afraid to proclaim this truth, and let the chips fall where they may. If gays don't like that message, so be it. <

____________________________________________________________

Tell me one unavoidable harmful effect of homosexuality on the body.

Tell me one harmful effect on the spirit or soul caused by homosexuality (give me one that is not caused by the voiced opinions of religious bigots!).

Stuart

saltydog


> Why is it the godless don't see the hypocrisy in teaching their creation "myth" to the exclusion of everyone elses? <

_____________________________________________________________

The biblical truth of the flat earth: teach the controversy!

Stuart

John M Cain
Unless they repent. Anyone voting for candidates supporting abortion and homosexual, and other ungodly lifestyles are going to be condemned for enabling these evil-doers. They can always repent though. Stop supporting sin and follow Christ's teachings and you will be saved.

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I make a point of sinning as often as possible. Not murder or theft obviously, but acknowledging other gods and making graven images of them are two of my favourite hobbies.

Tell me what Jesus actually taught about homosexuality and abortion.

Stuart

Have you seen a complete sermon?
Don,

Have you actually seen a complete sermon? The man is neither hate filled or a racist.

Low Bar Already Set
William Symth writes "Most of the stuff written about and characterizations made of Rev. Wright was totally untrue."

That's just plan silly. Everyone saw the video tape of the hate filled, racist rants of Rev. Wright.

Low Bar Already Set
William Symth writes "Most of the stuff written about and characterizations made of Rev. Wright was totally untrue."

That's just plan silly. Everyone saw the video tape of the hate filled, racist rants of Rev. Wright.

I've got not problem with BVS.
JAG CA
I'm quite capable of performing my own analysis. I'm not dependent on people with a political agenda to determine for me what is true and untrue.
I'm familiar with Trinity's "Black Value System" and I've no problem with it. I also don't think it conflicts with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
I'm also familiar with Black Liberation Theology. It is a Christian theology created as an alternative to the Christian theologies that used the Bible to justify slavery and treatment of African Americans as 2nd class citizens.
One of Rev. Wright's original goals at Trinity was to provide a Christian environment that would be attractive to people in the local community that were being drawn to the Nation of Islam. Therefore BLT was a natural fit.

I'm opposed to the homosexual agenda.
That does not make me controversial, it only makes me normal.

You know what,
I don't care whether it's popular or not, the truth is the truth and facts are facts - Homosexuality is wrong and harmful to body, soul and spirit. I pray our leaders are not afraid to proclaim this truth, and let the chips fall where they may. If gays don't like that message, so be it.

Harry
don't forget it was the "tolerant" libs who screamed about Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer because both books (by a beloved American humorist) contained the "n" word. One wonders if they'd tolerate Margaret Mitchell's GWTW because Mammy describes herself as a "n".

Maybe they did it to make room for "Heather Has Two Mommies". :p

I agree with Palin

"Palin thinks that creationism should be taught in schools. I would think that true conservatives would honor and embrace the establishment clause. Furthermore I would think that true conservatives would be more interested in science than religious doctrine."=Quote

We already have "religion" taught as science in the public schools. The creation myth of secular humanism, namely goo to you through the zoo. Quit forcing your un-scientific mythologies on our children and lie and tell them it is "science".

Why is it the godless don't see the hypocrisy in teaching their creation "myth" to the exclusion of everyone elses?

And what about the "free exercise" clause of the same amendment? Does it not carry just as much weight to "true conservatives"?

Libs World View IS Controversial!
David says: "Palin's World View IS Controversial"
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Oh my....... someone of faith. How controversial.
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David says: "Palin has tried to ban books in the public library."
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Libs have forced rewritten history books and books promoting gay lifestyles into our schools and libraries. I suppose we should all rejoice and be thankful for our enlightened liberal friends who wish to force this stuff on our kids.

Wellllllllllll...............,
kal says: "Of course she is anti-gay, like most hard right Christians." Most of the "hard right Christians" could care less what the gay crowd does. Just do it in private like most non-gay folks do and don't expect special protections and priviledges for your lifestyle choices. You live in America which gives you freedom to be gay. If America doesn't work for you try Iran if you want see how gays are treated.

Hard Right Proudly Conservative Christian for McCain/Palin

Palin's World View IS Controversial
I would think that true conservatives would join me in wanting LESS religion in government.

Palin thinks that creationism should be taught in schools. I would think that true conservatives would honor and embrace the establishment clause. Furthermore I would think that true conservatives would be more interested in science than religious doctrine.

Palin has stated that the war in Iraq is God's work (or something to that effect). Is this a crusade or something?

Palin has tried to ban books in the public library.

True conservatives should support the notion that Dobson and Wildmon (despite their best efforts) are not going to be the arbiter of what we read, what tv we watch, what movies we see or what music we listen to.

Jefferson could be rolling over in his grave over Palin. That's EXACTLY what the founding fathers abhored.

David Hart
http://www.tips-q.com

WOW
"...Properly understood, Pastor Kalnins was not saying that God would punish people who voted for Kerry by sending them to hell. Kalnins was saying that a person willing to vote for Kerry probably had not already received salvation...."

I love the term "properly". Is the language written English? I am sick and tired of rightwing "christian" nonsense. Christianity has little to do with them

Taft
I usually have more patience, but let me just say Go f yourself. And i'm sorry to those who i might offend but i'm tired of the left. I have NOTHING against gays, but i do have something against the gay agenda.

They are going to hell...
Unless they repent. Anyone voting for candidates supporting abortion and homosexual, and other ungodly lifestyles are going to be condemned for enabling these evil-doers. They can always repent though. Stop supporting sin and follow Christ's teachings and you will be saved.

William Smyth
Liberals just find it absolutely impossible to look for the truth don't they. Of course it means nothing to you that Obama actually quoted almost word for word a lot of the things that Wright was screaming. Just like all liberals always yelling things but never wasting the time to look for facts. Liberals like you just think they know all. How pathetic.

Wm Smyth the man BO snowed
Is it totally untrue that a principle tenet of TUCC something called THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM had as a principle "Concept" that blacks are "captives" in an America designed to "kill and/or imprison them?"

Is it totally untrue that Rev Wrong preached Black Lib Theology that states Christ was a black man killed by whites or as the good Rev screamed "hooked nosed Italians!"

Is it totally untrue that Father Phlem, another man described by BO as a "mentor" got rousing "Amens!" by preaching a rabidly racist cant against Hillary Clinton and was found out only because it was televised and the good Father thought he was preaching only to
TUCC's hateful congregation.

Willy Willie read for youself the full text of THE BLACK VALUS SYSTEM and then say that poor BO and Rev oh so Wrong are the victims of a pack of lies. BS and BO are blood bros!

BTW: Even TUCC has taken its once central theme, THE BVS, down from their website. The full text prior to 3/17/08 has been preserved in alot of places including Little Green Footballs. THE BVS was a central tenet at TUCC for over twenty years and now is removed?

We simply don't care
What some left-coast twink has to say about Palin's church, preacher, or religious views.

I'm sure, it is as important to conservatives what Palin's church is all about...as are the marxist, anti-US views of that shrill bigot that Obama follows is to a bunch of liberals.

Low bar already set
Unfortunately for the Wasilla's Assembly of God church a pretty low bar has been set concerning the accuracy in reporting on candidate's pastors. Most of the stuff written about and characterizations made of Rev. Wright (and then Otis Moss III) was totally untrue. But that holds little sway when there is a political agenda to be pushed forward.

KAL
Suppose you give us proven examples of her "anti-gay" attitudes.

As for her speech, NO candidate of any party, much less the POTUS and VP, writes his own. Get a clue and then...

Go away.

Todd
Welcome to TH.com.
I assume that you are?
Don't you and the misses fret about this left wing puppy poop.
Hell! the winters are probably more visous in AK.
"I'm the NRA and I vote"

The Libs have lost credibility
REal americans know a fake story when they see it. This too shall pass, like the daughter 'scandal' they created, the rumours about her son being her grandson, the rumours about all the non-sense they can find. Americans don't care what the liberal women think. They get Palin and that is all that matters to the 'small town' folk.

Like this is news.
Of course she is anti-gay, like most hard right Christians.

This isn't an attack on her faith but a simple fact.

Another reason why she won't get into the white house unless she's giving a tour - which by the sound of her scripted delivery last night, completely matches her qaulifications.

Taft - present some proof she lied
Sarah did not lie about the Douglas Bridge project! She thought it was maybe a good idea when she was a gubenatorial candidate. A chief characteristic of being a non-incumbant gubenatorial candidate is that your incumbant opponent doesn't want to share information with you. Once she got into office, she learned the details -- principly that the handful of residents of Douglas Island don't want a bridge (many of them make their living operating water taxis). She saw it as hampering the state's efforts to open ANWR and construct the gas pipeline. She turned down the funds.

That's not lying! That's revising one's opinion based upon new, previously unavailable, information. Hey, wouldn't that be a nice treat in a national representative? Someone who can change her mind with new information. Wow! What will you find to object to next? That people who previously believed the world to be flat now understand it to be round? Or, how about that people once thought disease was caused by imbalances of the humors and now we know about these little things called microbes?

Changing one's mind based upon newly available information or recently acquired experience is called "growth and progress" and it is a sign of character and intelligence.

Taft
So Bush should have resigned over Abu Graib the same way it was demanded FDR resign over putting over 100.000 Japanese-Americans into concentration camps? Be fair and consistent. Did Clinton resign over bombing a pharmeceutical factory?

renny
The right trampled on Christianity and mocked it the day they didn't demand Bush resign over Abu Graib. I can only hope that Palin is too ignorant not to know what an anti-christian regime she getting herself into, but hey, she lied through her teeth about the bridge, so she doesn't appear to have any scruples anyway.

If Sarah Palin
belonged to a sect that practiced snake-handling, it would only prove that she's more than capable of taking on the entrenched Washingtonn pols, to say nothing of the media...

I'm not worried.

The left and MSM have been
attacking Christianity since the 70s over Roe and the homosexual agenda.

But the Founders wrote the 1st Amend. with its freedom of religion long before the libs. invented their so-called sexual revolution, which has simply maimed and murdered through 40,000,000 abortions, 56 veneral disease (4 viruses which are incurable--2,000,000 worldwide die of AIDS annually), broken families with abandoned children, and a minority illegitimancy rate of 70%

If the above is freedom and liberation, we might as well go back to the Puritans.

Palin better be unflappable


The election is only two months away. Clearly liberals are pulling all their stops out to block the GOP ticket. They'll stoop lower than ever before. Case in point: Huffington Post-- a veritable snake pit of hatred.

I wish it were possible to impress on homosexuals and lesbians that we live our faith (no matter the church) as Christ has commanded; loving one another.

That does NOT mean just loving the Christian. We have to love every sinner just as if our own salvation depended on that love! To smear religion for the furtherance of your agenda is a grave injustice. If you have any self-respect, lay off the faith of our candidates.

Republicans made a point of Obama's congregation not as an attack on his faith, but on the racist, unamerican rhetoric of a renegade preacher. One with which Obama was very comfortable.

It is no renegade preacher who proclaims with God's own authority the evil of moral turpitude and sin. He isn't finished there, either. He also makes available for a sinner the avenue of forgiveness. Your sins can be FORGIVEN! That means you're loved. Not judged, or deprived of "rights."

The whole "rights" agenda of gays and lesbians is a conscious and deliberate straw dog. Nobody ever took away any rights which homosexuals already had or should have. They protest this, but it's completely false.

LIES are never productive in the final analysis. So don't lie now.


AG's are mainstream
Assemblies of God is a worldwide organization, rooted firmly in the mainstream. They are rooted in Scriptural tradition and agree with most mainline Protestant denominations on the basic doctrines.

One of the most influential groups in Christian worship today, Hillsongs, is Assembly of God.

They aren't kook, fringe, or even scary, unless you happen to be afraid of religion of any kind.

And I say all of these kind things about them having grown up Baptist.

Thank you...
Thank you for pointing out the bias in the attack against our church, Wasilla Assembly of God. The mainstream media took the view expressed by the Huffington Post and reported it as fact. Our church and our Pastor have been drug through the mud...

Conservative Pundit Skeptics
I am less concerned on what Keith Olberman and the left think than I am about what George Will, Charles Krauthammer, and Ben Stein think—because I respect the three of them. Still my favorite female voice of reason Jennifer Rubin takes them to the woodshed:

“Let’s stipulate that the purpose of political campaigns is to win. And the techniques and demands of modern media and pop culture require the parties find candidates whom voters actually like and with whom they can identify. Sue me. I think having an attractive cultural icon as the standard bearer for the conservative movement and for the previously anemic McCain-Palin ticket is a good thing. Like the basketball announcer Dick Vitale says, the whole point is to “Win, baby, win.”

And if by winning, the candidate with a full appreciation of the danger of Islamic terrorism, a commitment to cutting government, a belief in low taxes, and a determination to develop domestic energy supplies reaches the White House–is all that such a bad thing?”

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/269 11


I get they would have preferred Romney as Veep (heck they would have preferred Romney as the nominee)—but Mitt would have had a very difficult time beating Barack Obama. I also disagree the experience argument falls away because McCain is at the top of the ticket Say what you will about Gov. Palin's experience, but she seems to have a lot more common sense than Obama and Biden combined and is very knowledgeable about energy issues (which I thought was important). Gov. Palin needs to bowl a pretty impressive score till the election (the trivia pursuit questions are coming), but let's remember Barack can't bowl.

Not much different than Warren
Having friends who are Southern Baptist and Assemblies of God, I can tell you that their core theology is basically identical. How they practice is somewhat different, but my guess is the Rick Warren, a southern baptist, would have no problem praying and fellowshiping with Palin's pastor.

Remember Obama has distanced himself from his own pastor (whose liberation theology is not well grounded in the Bible), but he willingly shared a stage with Warren. An attack against an Assembly of God pastor for any beliefs that are grounded in the Bible is also an attack against every biblically preaching pastor including Warren.

Assemblies of God
Here's the deal about the Assemblies of God. It is the largest protestant church in the world. Their beliefs are biblical based, and the theology is thoroughly orthodox Christianity. They are a pentecostal denomination which means they do believe that God still gives people supernatural gifts (abilities like speaking in tongues or prophecy), but the Bible is still the ultimate standard for Assemblies of God folks.

In other words, unless Palin's pastor is on the fringe of his own denomination, criticism of his beliefs is going to come off sounding like criticism of all Christianity. Of course as the article points out for the radical left, religion is the problem, but for most of America in general attacks on religion are just not going to carry much weight.
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