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Friday, July 03, 2009
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Oliver Stone, Lousy Historian
by Brent Bozell
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Dear Oliver,

Many years ago, when Bill Maher's comedy show was hosted by Comedy Central and he was funny, his formula for success was truly unique. Every week two sets of political and/or cultural opposites were pitted against each other, and he refereed with humor. It was all designed for a good laugh and succeeded because once upon a time Bill Maher was truly funny.

Some producer really thought in extremes when they pitted Oliver Stone and Brent Bozell for one episode. I have to say that you were gracious, charming, engaging, and we enjoyed ourselves -- except for that moment when I chastised you for claiming you're a historian. You bristled and denied ever claming that moniker. I cited the source, an interview in some West Coast newspaper (I can't recall which one now). "I'm a filmmaker, that's all," you told me.

Problem is, Oliver, you're a historian whether you believe it or not. You make films about history and historical figures. You record history, and that makes you a historian.

Being a historian is not the problem. It's that you're a lousy historian.

Your last project was the movie "W." I confess I didn't watch it: I knew it would be a predictable left-wing spin about President George W. Bush being dumb and evil, and it could be worse because it could have been Vice President Dick Cheney. Yawn. It bombed.

You were back on Maher's show the other day talking about historical figures. Maher wanted to know why you haven't done a film about Ronald Reagan, since "that is the type of character you could do very well with." God only knows what he meant by that, but when you gave your answer, you were pretty blunt.

"Nixon always said Reagan was a dumb son of a bitch," you said, and the audience laughed, and you smiled and decided to take that statement further by agreeing with it. So you said, "You know, I think that he was," and the audience cheered and hooted and applauded.

See what I mean when I say you're a lousy historian? Don't take my word for it, Oliver.

I turned to Frank Donatelli, the White House Political Director under President Reagan from 1987 through 1989. I asked him what he thought of your observation. Here's what he has to say:

"Bill Maher and Oliver Stone have both made careers of ad hominem attacks on their political opponents. As Reagan would say, 'It's not that they're ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.' The literature as written by conservative and liberal observers is overwhelming in concluding that Ronald Reagan was fully engaged in implementing policies during his presidency that resulted in the longest economic expansion in our history and the end of the Cold War and the defeat of communism. His presidential reputation is growing and history will remember Reagan as one of the great presidents in our nation's history."

Ouch. I went to Richard Allen, Reagan's national security advisor and asked him what he thought. Apparently he didn't think much.

"Every respectable academic and popular analysis in the large and growing literature of the Reagan presidency and Reagan's presence on the national scene proves beyond any doubt the utter foolishness of the Oliver Stone remark. Stone has made an unsuccessful career of falsification, especially when it comes to Ronald Reagan. The actual dumbsumbitch is easy to identify."

That's gotta hurt. I asked Morton Blackwell. He was special assistant to the president between '81 and '84. You didn't score points with him, either.

"Stone must be jealous," he thinks. "All Reagan did was restore American prosperity, deep-six the Soviet Empire, restore the morale of the American people, and win two national elections by landslides. By comparison, Stone gained his notoriety by smearing people." Blackwell adds this observation as well: "Stone must be jealous. Reagan was principled, charming, and as honest as any politician can be. Stone revels in his own his image as a slimy slug on a toadstool."

Oh, my. Gary Bauer was Domestic Policy Advisor under the Gipper for two years. "That 'dumb son a bitch' ran circles around people like Oliver Stone and the other creepy Hollywood elites," he says. "He outwitted the Kremlin, restored the confidence of the American people, rebuilt our military, sent malaise packing and unleashed years of economic growth when he lowered taxes. Most Americans loved him then and miss him now. Oliver Stone is clueless."

Al Regnery is an historian -- a real one. "Dumb like a fox. Reagan always prided himself on the fact that people underestimated him. ... Stone, the dumb son of a bitch, is just the latest one to fall to the trap."

Finally, I couldn't resist. I asked Ann Coulter what she thought. She was quick. "Two uneducated, historically ignorant boobs sitting around talking about which president they think was the dumbest -- now that's some good TV."

We're all still laughing, aren't we, Oliver? Oliver?

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Reagan Wasn't Dumb, Just Pure Evil...
Think about it: during his governorship in California, he allowed the closure of mental health institutions, which largely caused the homeless situation in California. He did nothing in his governorship nor in his presidency to solve the homeless situation he had a hand in causing. And now it's worse!

No, I'll take Jimmy Carter over that freakish anti-Christ Reagan any day. At least he'd help build a house for a poor person when they need it.

Tell me who you are?
The Reagan Presidential Library is sufficiently proximate to me that I'm able to visit there often.

A sandwich while overlooking western hills along with the occasional falconers doing their thing on the wing, brings me back again and again.

Sometime I tour the exhibits. I'm always drawn to the material goods that are displayed of the young Ronald Reagan. His high school and college memorabilia from Illinois -- perfectly maintained over the years of his memorable life.

The phenomenal letterman's sweater ... loomed somewhere in another America ... cardinal and gold and not a hitch to any stitch. It stands on its form model for all to see. The swimming medals, the annual, the game blanket, Ronald Reagan took care of his things.

How a person cares for their own property tells you how they'll care for yours.

It's a perception that is never lost on me -- Ronald Reagan was a thoughtful and attentive man. He cared about what he'd attained. He was grateful. He cared and he took care of the trust he was given as President and it is on display and understood at his Library.

In other cases, in the collection, rests one of his leather diaries from the Presidency. Each day, this man wrote. He was dedicated. The dairy is often open to a page that relates a day when Ken Duberstein came on board ... Ronald Reagan paid attention and logged it all in.

History is more than recollection, it includes the elements of a persons life along with the events. Ronald Reagan kept his life in order and his history is reflected in his persoanl touch and relationship with that life.

By contrast, Christopher Lawford, in his forthright biography relates that Oliver Stone is a man that will glad hand you and make promises and then never return or take the follow-up call.

Mr. Stone doesn't have the heft or the vision to tell the story of Ronald Reagan -- And I doubt he's kept his stuff in order over the years ... "where's that bong again?"

We all remember
Reagan saying, "Government isn't the solution, Government is the problem."

All I can say is thank God Reagan did not have the majority GWB had. Our economic catastrophe would have been 20 years earlier.

I always wanted Reagan for a neighbor. He would have kept his yard neat and his house painted. But, I don't think my neighbor is competent to be president. History is already taking a hard look at the Reagan years.

Bozell
Anybody who goes into a movie theater to see
a movie with an historical theme and believes
he can write a college paper on what he sees,
should not have been allowed into any college
in the first place.

What is your point? Oliver doesn't portray
accurate history on film or you don't like
Oliver as a person or you are fearful about
a movie about Ronald Reagan.

Bleeding Heart Liberal
"Reagan saying, "Government isn't the solution, Government is the problem."

I agree with your post. I think in time that
there will be an addendum to Reagan's catchy
little saying. It will include "Reagan was
the problem."

Could It Be...

That Oliver Stone is STONED?

Trickle Down Does Not Work?

Let me know when a poor man gives you a job.

The 7 Sticks And Tammy

Bill Maher and Oliver Stone.

There's a foursome for you.
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All four, by the way, would be perfect in a Stuart Smalley, SNL bit. The best part would feature them chanting the Smalley mantra......

"I'm nutty enough, I'm goofy enough and dog gone it, I'm dumb enough."


Stone illustrates
the MENACE of Leftist revisionist history. They HAVE to tear down Reagan because he is LOVED by millions. He brought UP the economy. Only when George the Wimp got elected and let Congress snooker him into the "no new taxes" pledge did the slide begin. They agreed to no new taxes but increased spending till he HAD to sign the tax bill THEY wrote and hung the rap on him like the fool he was.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!!

Nightmare on "K" street
It takes a wise man to play the fool. That sentiment was expressed in the past. The origin escapes me.

Reagan was not concerned if someone thought him a fool. That caused many to believe it was so. He was often underestimated. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,then they fight you, then you win"----Gandhi

Too many politicians are concerned with their image. They are more interested in looking good than they are in doing what is right. They have no moral compass. That is why they are lacking in leadership.

The American people believed in Reagan because Reagan believed in them. He was a liberal's nightmare.


Heres what we do know.

Liberals will never forgive Ronald Reagan for bringing down the Evil Empire.

It's not just Ollie Stone...
EVERYBODY thinks they are or can be an f-ing historian. I think Stone's defense is correct in that he is a filmaker...His product is entertainment...not enlightenment. People who see his work and believe they have witnessed history on film are deluded...it's fiction with a recognizable reference to actual events and people...If Stone should ever think he is presenting history on film, he would be more deluded than most of his filmgoing audience.
Perhaps his most popular film was "JFK." Once you get past the actual archival film footage of the President and First Lady in Dallas, the film lapses into a wildly speculative narrative of "what if's" and "maybe's" ...here say and hyperbole...

stone
well stone was a rich kid who could have sat out the vietnam war like all the neocons with other "priorities" did if he had wanted to. instead he volunteered for combat and won a purple heart and bronze star. which makes him ok in my book. maybe he's not a historian but there is no doubt for anyone who can get past his politics that he's a good director and screenwriter. and to claim that he's uneducated like coulter did is so ridiculous that it isn't worth commenting on.

Bleeding Heart Liberal
"Reagan saying, "Government isn't the solution, Government is the problem."

Not for US farmers. A year ago, I read “An American Life, Ronald Reagan – the autobiography.” I thought there would be no better way to learn about small government, free market conservatism than from the Gipper himself.

I was shocked to read this on pages 344 and 345.

“Through it all, the farmers who suffered most were those who had been encouraged to overproduce by the billions of dollars available in federal subsidies.”

and,

“In the farm crisis of the mid-eighties we gave farmers more billions than any administration in history. Frankly, I didn’t relish giving so much of the taxpayers’ money away, especially when we were battling to bring down the deficit. But farmers were facing a real emergency, and since government had produced many of their problems, I believed it had an obligation to help bail out the victims, then to work to return farming to the free market.”

Wow, looks like we are still BAILING out the VICTIMS 25 years later. I wish the government would treat unemployed software engineers, like me, with this kind of conservatism. I could have collected a large unemployment check every month for five years and when my job skills had deteriorated, I could be declared a “victim” and President Reagan would mandate an even bigger check, a so-called “bailout” from the federal government, perhaps several hundred grand.

And now, in the year 2009, with farm subsidy handouts and ethanol mandates approaching $35 billion a year, we are well on the way to a free market in agriculture or the FINANCIAL SERVICES industry? The bailouts are only getting bigger.

It's a big shame that the vast majority of these farm handouts go to people who are card-carrying members of the Republican party.


Oliver Stone
Mr. Stone should stick to doing porn movies, but he'd likely screw them up too.

Oliver, you record history...
...like you make movies... LOUSY!


"You drive like you fix roads...LOUSY!" - Doc Hudson (Paul Newman)to Lightning McQueen (Owen Wilson), CARS

Need We Forget !!!!!
Need We Forget Far Leftist radical Oliver Stone has Played to Daniel Ortega ,Castro and of course his bosom Buddy Hugo Chevez .
He called them all Great men .
One Suspects he would like Marx , Lenin and Stalin Great Men as well .
Oliver Stone is a Worthless Jerk I would like to catch alone in Private .
I would play Dentist with him .
I am a ReCon Marine ..... Mos 03 0321

Useless Idiot
"Liberals will never forgive Ronald Reagan for bringing down the Evil Empire."

In fact, he appeased it. He lifted the grain embargo Jimmy Carter imposed on the USSR when they invaded Afghanistan.

Reagan SUBSIDIZED corn and wheat sales to the Soviet Union. He once boasted, "I have made a loaf of bread cheaper in Moscow than in any town in America."


Wow...Tammy
You are an a great useful idiot. Living in the land of thuggery has really taught you how to follow the crowd, hey?
Do the words "largest economic expansion" end of the cold war, fall of communism mean anything?
Apparently not.
Poison runs through your veins, and you will never get it. Keep listening to the pied piper COWboy President while our freedoms are being eroded. When the end comes, some other nation will hopefully take the reins of freedom and I will be going there.

7 Sticks and Bleeding Heart
How are you two enjoying your IOUs? You two are in the middle of liberat policies run amok and you are criticizing Reagan? It's time to get clean and sober!

zapdoodoo, your statement that you are an unemployed software engineer explains sooooo much! Having been in the IT industry for the past 18 years, I have no sympathy for you, you whiny a$$ liberat! Get out and I know how arrogant and self important your types are! I have no sympathy for you! Get off of your a$$ and find something else to do instead of sitting around posting stupid stuff online!

Roy in IL, as a fellow Viet Nam vet, I applaud Stone's service record, but I still think that he make stupid assertions and comments at times.


Stone, Maher and historical perspective
The subject is Stone and Maher and historical representations which are incorrect. The point that is argued is whether Stone and Maher's historical representations are false and/or misleading. Regardless of Reagan closing mental health institutions or subsidizing Republican constituencies in ways antithetical to the idea of small government, accusations which are arguable, it is also at a minimum to argue that there existed many positives. Stone and Maher ignore these and go for the jugular. Judge people by whether their ideas are well thought out or not. Their ideas are not.

jealousy
Runs rampant through the veins of leftist.They can't stand to see success unless the person is a liberal.

Stone is no historian
Stone know he's not a historian, but just a film maker, the same as Jon Stewart and Bill Maher aren't real news but satire. The problem is, the people who watch their tripe don't know it; They accept it as fact. Stone, Stewart and Maher know it too and take advantage of their audience's stupidity. Someone mentioned earlier, that anyone who would watch a Stone film and treat it as a legitimate source for a history paper shouldn't be in college. Same with those watching the Daily Show treating it as news. Unfortunately, that describes a lot of our college students these days. God help us.

Oliver Stone is not a historian!
A professional historian is a scholar who has obtained expertise in a field of study. Historians write peer reviewed books where claims are grounded in extensive primary and secondary source research. If I tell someone a story about my youth, I am not a historian, I am telling a story about my youth within a historical context.

Oliver Stone is not a historian---he is a filmmaker who uses history to express a political agenda. He read some conspiracy theories on the JFK assassination. His film implicated LBJ in the murder!!!!! Lacking historical evidence he made it up. He is no historian!( I enjoyed JFK as a film---as history it is sh#@. Oliver Stone is no historian. I have a BA in history from an excellent school, and I am not a historian.)

The real problem here is that Hollywood is not history. Nor are the silly books put out by the Lefties (Huffington, Franken, etc.) nor the Right (Malkin etc--whose book on the Japanese internment camps was panned. Read historians if you want history.

I heard Stone and
that freak, Bill Maher last night, insulting Pres. Reagan et al. They are two despicable ignorant people. Maher has not been funny in years. Case closed.

Oliver Stoned
Embarassed to say but I watched Stone on Maher's show the other night. The most disturbing part was when they cozied up on the subject of drug use and how it enhances their creativity. I'll paraphrase Stone..."I wouldn't be where I am today without psychedelics(drugs)" Sometimes it's too easy when you can use these clown's own words to make your point.

Long live conservative values!

To the 7 sticks:
The mental institutions may have closed during the Reagan administration, but I suspect that if you investigate the matter closely, you'll find out that the reason they closed is that the ACLU (or some other such organization) made a stink about people being sent to mental institutions and held there against their will. The ACLU (or whatever) was more concerned with the "freedom" than with the well-being of the people in such institutions.

Wasn't that about the time-frame of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?"

Ronald Reagan vs Jimmy Carter
oh, yeah that comparison surely favors Carter!
You have shown yourself to a fool!
Oh , how I miss Reagan today he would be skewering Obama and his program with a lovable smile.

Unlike Stone and Maher.........

REAGAN WAS THE REAL DEAL. Not one wishy washy, phoney, liberal bone in his body.

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Maher and Stone. There's a laugh. One is a phoney creep, the other just a creep.

Maher: A phony creep from head to toe. He and Janeane Garofalo would make a perfect couple.

Stone: For his entire life he's been telling the world how much he hates America. What a creep.


T.C.
"REAGAN WAS THE REAL DEAL. Not one wishy washy, phoney, liberal bone in his body."

Seems like you've succumbed to the Republican brain-washing 'cult of personality.' I suspect Stalinism is your real ideology.

Reagan made a big mistake by having 241 U.S. Marines used as hostages in Beirut, Lebanon in October, 1983.

A bomb-laden truck, driven by a Shia Iran-sponsored terrorist drove into the U.S Marine base and killed 241 Americans. The Commander-in-Chief had given the order that the sentries protecting the base were forbidden, by formal "rules of engagement", to not have BULLETS in their rifles. A colossal blunder and we simply left Lebanon a few months later.



Zapadoodoo
Right, so Reagan made a mistake trying to help the the President of Lebanon, and that means what, exactly? That Reagan's entire Presidency was a failure? I think not. And if the President says go, our boys go. That is the job they sign up for, or did you miss that "volunteer" part?

Nee
Not just one mistake.

I remember reading something about Iran-Contra a few years ago in a magazine. It involved Ronald Reagan usurping the Constitution of the United States of America. Congress is supposed to control the purse strings for the United States. Ronald Reagan thwarted it by trading arms to Iran for some cold cash that could then be transferred to the Contras in Nicaragua.

However, the article failed to mention the appeasement policy of Mr. Reagan. He GAVE the Islamic Republic of Iran fighter plane parts and other weaponry! How long do you think it took the Mullahs of Iran to figure out that the more hostages their various proxies took then the more weapons would be given to them?

Is it any wonder that the 1980's was a decade filled with Americans being taken hostage?

zapdoodat.

...."the Republican brain-washing cult of personality". WOW! Bill Maher eat your heart out.

Let's forget that little comment. And I won't bother with the Beirut note. Reagan pulled America out of the Jimmy Carter hole, ended the cold war and brought the Berlin Wall down. His greatness is not in dispute.

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But what's going on right now?

................................................................................................................................................

At the moment, the Republican Party is in meltdown. Since the McCain loss, things have not improved. Newt Gingrich predicted this would happen if McCain won the nominaton. He was right on the money.

But remember, I said, "At the moment".

With the Republican mess underway, a liberal, Democratic disaster is in the making. You can thank the "community organizer" for it. The most liberal president in our history, Obama has been in over his head.

From Day 1!

It's Jimmy Carter Part 2, now playing at the White House.

The American people, slow at first to understand, are catching on. And don't underestimate the Tea Party thing. The political scene changes often. And sometimes....

Very quickly.


T.C.
"His greatness is not in dispute."

Yes, it is! Poor analysis. The Soviet Union consistently spent 25% of GDP on defense in the 1950's, the 1960's, the 1970's and the 1980's. To think otherwise shows a serious lack of knowledge of Soviet history.

In fact, Reagan was an appeaser of Islamic fanaticism.

Mr. Bozell
You are a fool to denigrate the file "W." when you haven't even seen it.

The film itself is quite sympathetic to Bush and goes inside his personal and family life to try and understand the man. Many of the scenes are imitimate views of Bush's relationship with his parents and his wife.

It should be obvious that this is not history. Stone makes up from whole cloth dialogue and the personal dynamics of Bush's closest relationships. It is essentially a work of fiction.

I have been a Bush-hater ever since Katrina, but I found myself feeling great sympathy for Bush as he struggled to find his place in a family of political giants.

zapdoodat

Well I don't know about all that.

I do know Liberals will never forgive Ronald Reagan for bringing down the Soviet Union.

How he did it will be a matter for Historians to discuss over many years to come.

We do know millions of people alive today in Europe and South America enjoy Freedom because once there was an American President named Ronald W. Reagan.

No Liberal President has ever accomplished as much for mankind.

Liberals are outraged.

two thumbs up!!
Hahahahahahahahaha.

That is so funny.

Great piece!

Understand Stone's audience.

Feeble minded Liberals who believe the next ICE AGE is upon us. No Wait!!! Global warming is upon us. NO Wait,, Oh just call it climate change.

I Must Have Made A Mistake..
I thought I was talking to a sane person.

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zapdoodat: "....Reagan was an appeaser of Islamic fanaticism."

WOW!
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Oliver Stone are you listening? Your soulmate is alive and well here at TOWNHALL. Hey, maybe you could use him in your next flick as a script writer. I think you two have alot in common.


Zap
Please...who created the hostage Crisis and who got them out?

OTOH re: Oliver Stone
Although no fan of Oliver Stone I a seriously WIA Viet-Nam veteran respect him. Why?

Because in the early 60s Stone dropped out of Yale to travel around the world on his own & on a shoestring.

In 1965, when the first division sized U.S. ccombat elements were committed to Viet-Nam Stone was already in-country. He was working as a teacher in a Catholic girl's high school in Cholon, the Chinese quater of Saigon.

Stone was very impressed by the G.I.s of the U.S. 1st Infantry Division, as they passed through Saigon. As a consequence, he returned to the States with the intention of enlisting in the U.S. Army, which he did, and being returned to Viet-Nam to fight the Communists, which he was.

He served a full one-year tour as an infantryman, a rifleman, in the U.S. 25th Infantry Division, during which time he was WIA, albeit lightly.

Moreover, Stone voluntarily extended his tour in 'Nam by 50%, or 6 months, in order to serve as cadre in the newly in-country 1st Cavalry Division. (Then the 1st Cavalry was essentially a helicopter borne division of infantry)

How many braggert conservatives posting here have done so much as a quarter of what Stone has to defend his country?

P.S.: on what basis did Stone land his teaching job in the Jesuit run high school in Saigon, apparently because he speaks fluent French(Stone's half French).

Personally, I'd far prefer to have Stone beside me in a fight in a dark ally (or nearly any tight spot) rather than someone whose principal qualification in life is he's a lawyer, academic or has a M.B.A.

Oliver Stone is one who would laud
Chamerlain and Daladier as "statesemen" (the absence of statecraft in them is proven adequately by WW2 which they failed badly to prevent) and Eisenhower and Lincoln as bumblers.

Enough said!

T.C
"Reagan was an appeaser of Islamic fanaticism."

Proof you say.

From http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.ph p

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17]

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1]

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. [8]

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. [7]

HipHipHooray
Well, bravo for Stone, good for him, joining the military and a hero to some. But LaDeDa, it still doesn't take away from his liberal left wing unimpressive and uninformed name calling rant about Reagan. Reverand Wright, Obama's friend and mentor, was also in the military. It just shows you can still be a liberal left wing nut and be in the military. Stone is a liberal left winger that has elitist opinions about conservatives. Someone to really admire..... By the way, William, Obama's only principal qualification in life was only being a lawyer and a community organizer. Sometimes that works out...Maybe if Stone did as much research on Reagan, than you did on Stone, he would get his facts right.

T.C.
and even more of Reagan's policy of appeasement.

August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. [8]

August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds. [8]

September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. [7]

September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives." [15]

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1]

Look, zapdoodat.

Give it up.
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First, Reagan, good president that he was, did what good presidents do. He put the interests of the United States first.

Second, you're talking about the Middle East, the most unstable place on earth.

Third, the dates and incidents you cited will not have the slightest affect on the Reagan legacy.

Give it up.


T.C.
On May 17, 1987 the USS Stark was on patrol in the Persian Gulf. On that day Saddam Hussein ordered one of his fighters to fire an Exocet missile at our American ship. The missile hit our ship and 37 Americans died from the attack.

What was Ronald Reagan's response the reader may ask? Nothing, at first. Later his response was to proceed giving Iraq even more weapons.

Can someone please let me know if this is appeasement?

Linda, from the state of Misery (MO)
Honey,

I suppose I should have phrased my previous message a bit clearer.

For one thing, I didn't intend to knock conservatives; I'm one myself.

In that vein, I consider Ronald Reagan our greatest modern president.

True, Jereamiah Wright wore Uncle Sam's uniform, but because he's become weird I wouldn't turn my back on him in a fight or otherwise.

But you're correct in observing that I do respect Oliver Stone for his conduct during the Viet-Nam War and I think less of other men who could have but didn't do even a fraction as much as Stone during the war.

Because I served as a Lieutenant in the 1st Infantry Division, Sept. 1966 to Sept. 1967 & as Captain in the 101st Airborne from 3 March, 1969 until 22 January, 1970, when WIA in a firefight & subsequently evacuated on a stretcher I reckon I earned the right to my opinion about whom, including Oliver Stone, I'd trust to fight beside me.

Sugar, that little war in Indochina wasn't much fun. And I guarantee you that Oliver Stone paid in full (and then some)for his citizenship by humping a rifle in jungle warfare combat for a year and a half.

So, he's gone goofy Left? Hopefully, he'll soon grow out of this phase.

Close but no lonsdale!!
Mary,

The American CRIMINAL Liberties Union (founded by an America-hating COMMUNIST) wanted as many mentally unstable people on the street as possible. They wanted the frequent sight of these folks sitting in urine and defecating on the side of the road to "prove" conservatives have no heart. They were HUMAN PROPS for these ghouls and nothing more.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!!

For all you liberals
Dear American Liberals, Leftists, Social Progressives, Socialists, Marxists, Obama Supporters, et al:

We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile, slate it up to irreconcilable differences, and go our own ways.

Here is a model dissolution agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.

Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, and Rosie O'Donnell (you are however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move them).

For all you liberals II
We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart, and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies, and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan Hockey Moms, greedy CEO's, and Rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood . You can make nice with Iran , Palestine , and France , and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or way of life are under assault, we'll provide them job security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian Values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, and Shirley McClain. You can have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill. We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks, and over sized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru Station Wagon you can find.

You can give everyone health care, if you can find any practicing Doctors (that is practicing, Howard Dean) who will follow to your turf (sic). We'll continue to believe health care is a luxury and not a right.


For all you liberals III
We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and The National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to
substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach The World To Sing, Kum Ba Ya, or We Are the World. We'll practice trickle-down economics, and you can give trickle-up poverty its best shot.

Since it often so offends you we'll keep our History, our Name, and our Flag.

Would you agree to this?

In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR on who will need whose help in 15 years.

Reagan didn't need a Halo
When I think of all those 'dumb' liberals and Tax-ocrats out there
that couldn't tie Reagan's shoelace, not that he would have asked for adulation like the present messiah.
But what gets the 'juices' flowing are those stupid republicans who
are denigrating our beloved former president. Little by little they're climbing out from under their rocks and are trying (just trying) to pull Reagan down.
We are in our present situation because there are so few 'good'
republicans out there. I think the time has come to have a third party
with contenders who are running for the country, not for their party.

Great Article!
I think Ann Coulter's quote nailed it.

Only liberals enjoy that type of humor on those type of shows and will of course laugh at the tasteless jokes about any conservative, especially those conservatives who have accomplished much and thus made the left look lame. There is so much meanness in liberal humor. I think they must be very frustrated with their own lives and need to ridicule and attack conservatives to make themselves feel important.

Now, the left has a professional comedian, Stuart Smalley, in the Senate, who will fit in with the other clowns.


WACKO JACKO FANS BEWARE !
Don't read my piece: Mangled Michael the King of Flop. It will make you very angry.

The difference
"I do know Liberals will never forgive Ronald Reagan for bringing down the Soviet Union."

Sums it up. But I must say...

I feel for zappydappydoo. There he is, unemployed, in his mom's basement sippin a 40 oz Cobra, shrieking about the great President Reagan while his god, clownmessiah has bankrupted our Country, tripled our debt, AND doubled unemployment.

In fact, clownmessiah has raised unemployment to its highest point since carter. (How's that Hope and Change workin for ya, zappy!)

World class eunich jimmah nonut carter spends a year begging pathetically for iran to release our people taken hostage.

Reagan sweeps in on a landslide, and they release our people quick, speedy, and in a hurry.

Hussein goes to China, hat in hand, begging for his fellow communists to buy up the trillions of debt he created to pay for his miserably failed "Hope and Change! farce, and they literally laugh right in his face.

While Reagan beefs up our military and tells the mighty Russian bear to "tear down this wall" and down it came.

Reagan was loved by Americans and lovers of Freedom throughout the world, and he was hated and feared by the socialist scum on the left both foreign and domestic.

OTOH, clownmessiah is ridiculed, laughed at, scorned, and treated like the bumbling impotent punk he is by every tin plated dictator in the world...but the stupid and lazy welfare queens, muslim terrorists, hollyweird, commies and kweers love him.

Reagan was a great man who loved his Country.
Hussein is a limpwristed punk that hates Her.

There's the difference.

THE 56 MEN WHO GAVE US FREEDOM
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence ?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.
Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
Two lost their sons another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.
Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and plantation owners; they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept away by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British
that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.
At the battle of Yorktown , Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General
George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.
John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill
were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished.

So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. Remember: freedom is never free!

Liberal Historian???

I don't think there is such a thing.

There is no way in heck you can know history and be a Liberal.

Dear Reba
Thank you for reminding us of that. God bless.

Oliver Stone
I haven't had any use for the man since he fled to Canada to avoid the draft. When he was pardoned (by Carter) along with other draft-dodgers, he returned and insisted that he didn't deserve a pardon (he didn't) but an appology.

He later bragged that every movie he made was designed to teach the youth of the U.S. that all war was wrong (that you would go insane if you fought one regardless of the cause) and that the government should never be trusted. (While I agree with his last comment, I don't with his first one.)

I have made a point that if his name is on a movie, I will not see it even if it is free. I will certainly not buy one, even used. To me he and Michael Moore are both making fiction to support their warped political sense - and they are willing to attempt to change history as they do it.

08hayabusa
"Our" history. Have you taken a look at any history books being taught our school children recently?

They are being rewritten by revisionists - liberal ones. For instance, my daughter's history book taught that the American Army lost Vietnam but "heroic" Senators managed to make a truce long enough to pull our troops out and save them from slaughter. Wrong!

A friend of mine's son took history in college but works as a store manager. When I asked why, he told me that the liberal professors insisted that if you taught, you had to revise history to appear as they wanted it to appear or you'd be fired. He couldn't do that.

Don't trust history books unless YOU know what really happened or can find out what happened. Even ancient history is being rewritten - such as King David in the Bible was a myth (except they find more evidence every day he wasn't). Or that every important man/woman in history was gay (which they weren't).

Ollie
Stone made a couple over the top, but somewhat entertaining movies and somehow came to believe that he could definitively portray many historical figures and events. The trouble is: the movies remained over the top, ceased being entertaining and started to insult our intelligence. I don't think Ollie's dumb, just blindly biased.

For some reason, libs tend to want to hate every shred of someone they disagree with on a few key issues. Most conservatives I know are more open-minded. So, for instance, you will hear many conservatives credit President Clinton for playing some part in reforming welfare and credit FDR for rallying a reluctant nation to war, all in. Ask a lib to credit President Reagan for anything positive, or God forbid, to similarly credit President Bush 43, and you're most likely to elicit expletives or long-winded diatribes about them.

Ollie can't take the fact that someone he disliked and was convinced was a "dumb son of a b****" actually has been definitively shown to be a pretty shrewd, and yes, smart SOB. (I love the irony of Stone citing Nixon as a good judge of anything.) Ollie should go back to the days when he was greedy (er, greedier) - then maybe he'd make another watchable movie or two.

Who's dumb?
I don't think Olver Stone said Reagan was so dumb he didn't do anything while in office. But I like O. Stone think Reagan was so dumb, he aided, and perhaps caused, many of our current problems. Deregulation = Prosperity = Distribution of Wealth (to the wealthy) = Housing Bubble. So, you see, Bozell, you're even dumber than Oliver.

Oliver Stone, Lousy Historian
Jeff in Ohio, the housing bubble was started by the Jimmy Carter Administration's Community Reinvestment Act,Furthered by Barney Frank & the Dems in congress and The Fed Alan Greenspan, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Try and do some reading.

Liberals trying to rewrite history again
They are tryin like hell to make Reagan out to be an idiot. Meanwhile, Jimmy Carter is running around as the worst, most treasonous ex-prseident we ever had and they are trying to make it out like he was some sort of success even though it is plain to see how much of a failure he was and still is.
Pathetic.
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