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Wednesday, May 27, 2009
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Cheers For Cheney
by Brent Bozell
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Dick Cheney clearly drives the liberal media nuts. As much as they'd like to bask in the glow of the new and glorious Obama Era, they simply cannot achieve that requisite state of nirvana with Cheney around. They spent eight long years packaging Cheney as some evil and deadly combination of Darth Vader and the Ebola virus. Now they can add to the descriptors a new title: Count Dracula. The man refuses to die.

That's why every speech he makes draws a ferocious chorus of media boos of outrage at the idea he would dare to think he has freedom to speak in the first place. CNN's Anderson Cooper was so flustered over Cheney's latest speech at the American Enterprise Institute that he asked Cheney's daughter Elizabeth: "If a Democrat was doing this in a Republican administration, wouldn't be the Republicans be saying, this is traitorous?"

This is just too rich.

When President Bush was in power, he was regularly assaulted with rhetorical flame-throwers. He was a mad bomber, a dictator, a grand ayatollah, a world-class dolt, even a "smirking chimp." He was Gomer Pyle, all Three Stooges and Dan Quayle Redux. His tactics were comparable to the KGB, the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge. And his critics were painted as the essence of patriotic dissent.

But when Cheney protests the Obama administration weakening the war on terror to the point it won't even call it terror (just a "man-caused disaster"), bam! He's Benedict Arnold.

Cindy Sheehan insisted Bush killed her son in Iraq and literally suggested Team Bush was traitorous: "George and his indecent bandits traitorously had intelligence fabricated to fit their goal of invading Iraq." Everywhere she went, the media laid out the red carpet. But when Cheney defends himself, it is "traitorous"?

Cheney was blunt about waterboarding. "To call this a program of torture is to libel the dedicated professionals who have saved American lives, and to cast terrorists and murderers as innocent victims."

Cooper savaged Cheney's daughter with Evil Empire analogies on harsh interrogation techniques. "These are techniques which have been around. I mean, the Nazis used them. The Khmer Rouge used them. The North Koreans used them." Does Cooper really believe that America is just like those mass-murdering dictatorships? We waterboarded the architect of 9/11, but Cooper's addled outrage implies that the man with the water pitcher is as evil as the man with the wet face who sent more than 3,000 American men, women and children to their deaths.

When it comes to Bush and Cheney, activists in the media can't produce anything but distorted caricatures. Here's CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin on Cheney's speech: "He chose to speak in a chilling code, in which methods of torture such as waterboarding became 'enhanced interrogation,' in the way that death might be called 'enhanced sleep.'" In their fevered imaginations, waterboarding is a piece of rhetorical Saran Wrap removed from execution.

Dick Cheney knows this is all wildly exaggerated. That's why he spoke out against "feigned outrage based on a false narrative. In my long experience in Washington, few matters have inspired so much contrived indignation and phony moralizing as the interrogation methods applied to a few captured terrorists." He added "that people who consistently distort the truth in this way are in no position to lecture anyone about values."

Anderson Cooper and Jeffrey Toobin: He's talking about you.

Some of those distorters of truth call themselves the "news" media, but their "values" are often at odds with the national interest. Getting the story first and getting the Pulitzer Prize seems like less of a social responsibility than keeping the country safe.

The former vice president didn't pull punches on media irresponsibility. One passage that caused a stir was his attack on the New York Times for blowing the secrecy of the Terrorist Surveillance Program. "After 9/11, the Times had spent months publishing the pictures and the stories of everyone killed by al-Qaeda on 9/11. Now here was that same newspaper publishing secrets in a way that could only help al-Qaeda. It impressed the Pulitzer committee, but it damn sure didn't serve the interests of our country, or the safety of our people."

The New York Times didn't find that passage "fit to print." They hailed Obama's "nuanced" approach, while denouncing Cheney's speech as implying "absolutism in the defense of liberty is no vice."

Dick Cheney was right to support an aggressive war on terror then, and he's right to get out on the public stage and support an aggressive war on terror now, as the Obama administration makes crucial decisions on whether we stay aggressive, or lay our defenses down. Liberal outrage at this volume tells you he's doing something very right.

Where was he from 2001 to 2008?

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Cheney & Interesting Polling Data
Cheney's up 27% in 4 months.

Bush is up.

The majority of Americans in 4 polls identify themselves as pro-life.

SS Marriage losing across the board.

A full 25% believe that the Taliban are winning in Afghanistan under Obama.

Obama has numbers in the 40s on Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Cheney Beats Obama On F. Policy

Cheney's Numbers Are UP BIG.

Americans believe that Cheney beat Obama in the dueling speeches.

Cheney's foreign policy vision beats Obama's.

Military tribunals v. Federal courts? Obama follows Cheney.

Photos? No release. Obama follows Cheney.

Terror Surveillance Program? Obama follows Cheney.

EIT was used a few times and saved upwards of 100,000? Obama still naive.

Only 3 hardened detainees were waterboarded? Obama still naive.

How do we look in the world? Only France (1) and Yemen (high recidivism rate) have accepted detainees. The EU and other allies will not help the US in Afghanistan. Obama loses.


Various poll and links...

Cheney up 27% in 4 months

Surge across the board.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/26/look-whos-rehabilitat ing/


Obama losing across the board on foreign policy, Gitmo, Afghanistan, US Prisons, EIT, Iraq, etc.

Various links.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/26/obama-losing-on-gitmo /



I heart Dick Cheney
I've had a crush on him for years. I always wished he was the president not the VP.

Abortion vs "torture"
I think Republicans should throw in the faces of the "pro-choice" crowd what takes place in abortion clinics every time they bring up water-boarding.

Why is it immoral to pour water on the faces of terrorists but "legal" to tear the bodies of tiny babies limb from limb in suction abortions, or poison them to death in saline abortions, or suck their brains out in "partial-birth" abortions? Why is it O. K. to leave them alone and cold to die if they somehow survive the abortion attempt?

How do Democrats and other socially "liberal" people get to claim the mantle of morality when they fight so hard to keep such things "legal?"

To Mary in MO
YOu said:

"How do Democrats and other socially "liberal" people get to claim the mantle of morality when they fight so hard to keep such things "legal?" "

Because Liberals see through the hypocracy and fundamental phoniness of the pro-lifers and detecting the disingenuinty reject their message as naive or a condition of self-decetion. Many pro-lifers (including friends of mine) are eager for war, want the death penalty, are all for keeping the minimum wage a slave wage, are opposed to universal healthcare, want cuts in education, oppose food, air water and drug safety regulation because it costs money, oppose condom distribution which of course simply spreads disease and increases unwanted pregnancies, and hold many other ideas are irreconcillably incompatible with "The culture of life". Its basically a scam. Liberals can smell the hypocracy and don't light up to it.

Some pro-lifers are even domestic terrorists.
Folks like John Salvi and others who go to murder doctors and bomb abortion clinics show the unseemly truth about the Pro-Life movement.

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

Was it Cheney or Powell?


While Cheney is a vocal supporter of gay marriage (his only Libertarian position and based on the sexuality of his daughter), Powell drafted "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

While Cheney is pro-life, Powell is pro-choice even though the African-American has an extraordinarily high abortion rate.

While Cheney believes in lower taxes so that you can have economic freedom, Powell believes that people "want to pay much higher taxes" so that they can get some benefits from the plantation master.

Interestingly, he made that statement on the Sunday before California, just said "No."

While Cheney has been consistent, Powell has been an opportunist.

Powell voted for Carter, then voted for Reagan (for whom he worked), voted for Bush I (worked), voted for Dole (left political life), voted for Bush II (worked), and then voted for Obama.

Powell: Don't tell. Trust us, we will not ask.

To St. Dennis in Obamaland
You said:

"Obama losing across the board on foreign policy, Gitmo, Afghanistan, US Prisons, EIT, Iraq, etc."

Nice piece of propaganda. You might get another 5 naive recruits to well your ranks to 21.5%.
PollingPeport.com shows Republicans are very unpopular because they continue to cling to their failed ideology of Conservatism.

Congressional Republicans earn a whopping 12% approval rating and a 73% disapproval rating.

Bush earned a 9% Very positive rating and a 41% very negative rating according to the WSJ.

Even the R. Party itself earns a whopping 71% disapproval rate according to PollingReport.com

Face it. Conservatism is a dead end. Conservatives proved that they could not govern effectively, repeatedly broke the law, couldn't win any wars, increased corruption and poverty, and destroyed our economy. That's why American's are done with Conservatism and booted them from office.
American's are saying:
"We tried it. It failed miserably and the Republican Party even mislead its own people. Time to try something that works for a change like Socialism to repair the damage from Conservatism.

Obamanomics
In a good year our GDP is ~$14tn.

We are spending $1bn an hour.

Obama will have spent more than Bush did in 8 years in less than 20 months. He will spend more than all Presidents 1-43 in less than 5 years.

We spend $2.3tn a year on healthcare and Obama wants to spend another $2tn.

We are not going to be able to use coal because he is going to make the price skyrocket.

A US District Judge rescinded all offshore leases in the GOM and in Alaska going back retroactively to 01.01.07.

We will have a national debt of $23.9tn in 10 years.

We spent $787bn on a stimulus.

We spent another $1.6tn on the budget for the first 6 months of this year.

His budget is $3.6tn.

Our national debt service will be $1tn a year beginning in 2019.

Social Security will be bankrupt in 2016.

Medicare and Medicaid will be bankrupt in 2017.

We are supposed to pay for college tuition and benefits for those 50% of taxpayers that only pay 2.3% in federal taxes.

Tax revenues were down 30% last month alone.

Unemployment is 8.9%.

China has indicated that is does not want to loan us any more money, which will result in debt monetization like the failed Weimar Government and Mugabe's Zimbabwe (a depression with hyperinflation).

Obama could seize all income over $75k and never be able to pay for his spending.

And, as for cap-n-tax, you have to a vibrant economy to generate trillions of dollars in revenues.


First- socialism
I'm sorry, but last time I checked, sane people don't give the benefit of the doubt to those killed 250 million people in the last 90 years.

Obama's National DebtTo GDP


As of May 25, 2009, the total U.S. federal debt was $11,305,673,498,034.18, or about $37,095 per capita. Of this amount, debt held by the public was roughly $6.999 trillion. In 2007, the public debt was 36.8 percent of GDP, with a total debt of 65.5 percent of GDP. As of 2007, the debt of the United States ranked as the 22nd-largest in the world as a percentage of GDP. As of May 2009 the debt was 82.0 percent of GDP based on current GDP. This level of debt has not been seen since 1951, with the nominal value the largest in recorded history. The President's 2010 budget estimates that total debt relative to GDP will rise to 97% by 2010 and stabilize at approximately 100% thereafter.


See our national debt to GDP compared to other countries here:

http://www.creditloan.com/blog/americans-debt-to-income-rat io-as-compared-with-other-countries/


And, we are supposed to be able to pay for a huge entitlement class, illegals, and spending levels that are orbiting Pluto?


First What?
So socialism is the ticket? Come on First, get a grip. The Thatcher (Margaret) quip best describes socialism. To paraphrase: "Socialism works great until you run out of other peoples money." I'd suggest you (along with everyone) try seeing more than one angle to any issue. After having done so, then make a rational, unemotional choice for the position that holds the most logic and fact. Yes, it's a dare I challenge you to.

Who deserves the cheers?
This country just went through eight years of not being attacked. Was Bush and Cheney responsible for that. Sure they were, but you don't hear President Obama saying anything about that. Instead he allows a truth commission to be formed to call it a crime. The people who were responsible for the memos are criminals in the eyes of President Obama. President Obama wants cheers for that. President Obama releases top secret information about our interrogation methods. Does he regret it. No. In his speech he said he's going to release more. Again, he wants cheers for that too. President Obama halted the released of photo's because he said it would endanger the lives of our soldiers. Was he going to release the pictures without thinking twice about the soldiers. Sure he was. Did President Obama want cheers for not releasing the photo's. Sure he did. In President Obama's speech he clearly said he was going to close Gitmo and house them in this country and allow for the Gitmo detainees to stand trial in our federal courts. Someone was cheering for President Obama's decision. Someone like the ACLU and the human rights groups. Did President Obama want cheers for closing Gitmo and housing the Gitmo detainees in this country. Of course he did. Who is it that cheers for himself by reminding the people that he goes to sleep every night thinking of ways to protect the people. President Obama. Based on eight years of not being attacked and President Obama's idea of protecting this country, I cheer for Cheney.

I thought it the epitomy of hypocrisy
when after years of the traitors screaming the intelligence was cherry picked after the congressionally inspired demand for war went wrong for the demonrats, Obama cherry picked quite selectively the cia intelligence memos and put out the deception in front of the entire USA.
That's the classic action of our satanic baby murdering domestic terrorist democrats.
Endless years of lying and speculation, then their illegal alien million dollar cover up racist misogynist liar pulls the cherry picking intelligence right out in the open in front of us all, and denies the truth Cheney requested in the follow up.
They have created now at least as much and perhaps more than what they claimed for themselves. I am 100% for the traitors being executed by any means that arises. That doesn't apply to the just president like they applied it to Bush or Cheney, but to the whole lot of any of them.
I have heard and put up with enough, they have no exit but real change, and it clearly is not coming.
Let's these lying murdering idiots can hold the nation together so I won't be forced to clean the gene pool.

Dag & Maverick

O'Reilly was interviewing a far-left liberal last night. The subject was Obama, Cheney and there two dueling speeches.

O'Reilly asked something to the effect: "Well, you have to admit that he kept us safe here at home following 09.11.01."

The Guest: "Well, well, well, he, he, he let 09.01.01 happening 8 1/2 months after he too the Oath."

After some incredulous and pointed questions with blood about to shoot out of his eyes because the guest refused to give Bush any credit, they moved onto Obama's speech.

O'Reilly had an exchange with him and then asked "Well, do you think that Obama is doing the right thing and keeping us safe"

The Guest, squirming in his chair: "It has only been 4 months. How, can you ask me that, now? It has only, only been 4 months. Just give him time."

O'Reilly: "Wait! You were just trying to blame Bush and Cheney for 09.11.01, which happened 8 1/2 months after they took office. Don't you think Obama had better get moving?"

Hey First ...
Btw, the Bush/Cheney policies decimated Al Quaeda! Doubt that? Check the Al Quaeda org chart ... many vacancies. I know, you still don't feel safer ... isn't denial fun?

Hey First ...
Hint: you look less like an idiot if you'd use a spell checker. Better ... you'd look less like an idiot if you'd have learned to spell in school.

Oh wait ... you're from Massachusetts. See, its not that hard even though I don't live in your paradise.

Hey Jim ...
Have you checked the Al Quaeda org chart lately? Quit dancing.

Hey Jim ...
Btw, the decimation of Al Quaeda is an ongoing process. Do you really think Obami baby is going to do the deed?

Hey Jim ...
Let me help you with my tough question ... the correct answer is NO.

Good man

Dick Cheney never did anything to hurt me or my family. Joe "blabber-mouth" Biden has.

Actually ...
Dick Cheney ... throughout his career ... did much to benefit you, your family, and many other families!

V P Cheney
I have watched Mr Cheney in his recent utterances and my respect for him has grown, not once has he resorted to personal invective but stuck to the facts - and that is why he will always beat the Leftists who attack him. However he, in common with almost everyone there are a couple of inaccuracies.

All of the dead on 9/11 were not American, many were from other nations including a few hundred from the UK. However even the 3,000 plus dead is not accurate, the total number of casualties probably exceeds 10,000. I say that because for every death there is a Mother, Father, Spouse, Sibling and Children. Taking that into account 10,000 is almost certainly a gross under estimate.

These are facts that it behoves Pres Obama and his looney Leftist supporters to remember that. Here is another fact when people blame Bush/Cheney for 9/11, that attack came BEFORE the Allied assault on Iraq and Afghanistan, the invasions were our RETALIATION. So far this Administrations olive branches have resulted in Iran attempting to humiliate the US in the United Nations and North Korea testing another Nuclear device, test launching one long range and three short range missiles, culminating in the threat of a pre-emptive attack on South Korea. So a conciliatory approach is really working isn't it.

I have always claimed it should have ...
...been the Cheney-Bush team,not the Bush-Cheney team.

WHY THE LEFT FEARS DICK CHENEY
Click ApolloSpeaks and read my piece "Fear of Dick Cheney and its Meaning.

What do you find wrong with Cheney?
I asked that of a couple of my very educated Liberal friends the other day. The husband is a graduate of Brown and heads his own investment firm, the wife is a self-employed consultant to eye care professionals.

"I just don't like him", was their reply.

New Yorkers, BTW.

brent is this the best you've got?
cheney is a war criminal at best.....i say keep bringing out this person to represent the repigs point of view.....at best President Obma will win in a landslide......brent why not cheney and rush for 2012??????

Nam65-66
Ditto here! Cheney was the adult.

History will prove that Cheney & Bush were correct about Iraq.

Oddly enough the Left ignores the fact that during the Clinton Administration senators and congressmen repeatedly petitioned Clinton to depose of Sadam Hussein because he was an emminent threat to our national security due to his WMD and nuclear programs and that Iraq was in clear violation of a number of UN resolutions. Clinton did nothing.

Enter Bush-Cheney and they invade Iraq and the same Lefties scream that the war is illegitimate.

Why Bush never released copies of those letters to the press and used his bully pulpit to expose those charlatans is amazing.

The Left knows no limits to their hyprocrisy because they are morally bankrupt.



Cheney’s Huge Contradiction on Torture

Cheney calls what we saw in the Abu Graib photos ‘a disgrace’ and calls the enhanced interrogation techniques used at Gitmo and beyone ‘an achievement’. The problem is, they’re the same techniques:

Andrew Sullivan: There is no factual dispute as to the real origin of what Cheney calls the “disgraces” of Abu Ghraib: Dick Cheney via Don Rumsfeld. Cheney himself has boasted of the most dramatic of the torture and abuse techniques, waterboarding. He also pioneered and now defends a program in the CIA and at Gitmo that, in what it does to human beings suspected of being terrorists, is identical to the photos of Abu Ghraib. Look at the photos again.

It was obviously not meant to be photographed and displayed as happened at Abu Ghraib. Some of the sexual excesses were clearly not authorized (but at Gitmo, recall, we know that lesser sexual abuse was authorized). It was meant to be conducted by more professional personnel than at Abu Ghraib. It was not supposed to murder anyone - as happened at Abu Ghraib and many other torture sites in the Cheney war.

But the methods were exactly the same. We know where they came from. Call them what you will. There they are. Cheney knew them all, pushed for them all, and yet cannot own them when they are in front of his eyes. In fact, he has to push them into a corner called “disgraces.” That’s a strong word for a policy you created and enforced, against much of the military and intelligence and diplomatic agencies in government.

read more

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/cheneys-huge-contr adiction-on-torture#comment-130455


revenge of the nerds
As far as I'm concerned, Liberalism is, in large part, revenge of the nerds. Obama's the cool popular guy-Cheney isn't.

Torture...are you kidding?
Where was the Left's outrage when a number of Americans were beheaded by the terrorists?

Where was the Left's outrage when 3 Americans where killed, dragged through the streets, burned, and then hung from a bridge?

Where was the Left's outrage when captured American soldiers where brutally tortured and murdered by the terrorists?

Where was the Left's outrage when dozens of Christians where killed by terrorists after the Danish cartoon depicting Mohammed on a missle?

Where was the Left in dozens of other examples of terrorist torture and murder?

NOWHERE!!!!!!! That's where. Cowards.

The Left calls Water-Boarding torture. What a joke. We did stuff worse than that when I was in the Boy Scouts.

The bottom line is that we Americans are safer because of enhanced interrogation techniques. Period.

We are less safe now. That is for sure. Wait for the outrage from the Left (crickets) when an American city lays in ruins because of BHO's naive view of the world.

wrong
ultimately the democratic party is the
death knell for the country.

Thanks Mr. Bozell
I would like to add my voice to those that support Vice President Dick Cheney's one man "Truth Commission" to expose those in Congress, The White House, and the Media who continue to lie and mislead the American People. I Thank You also, for being a stand up guy when it comes to the truth. I was really impressed with your blatant honesty on a recent apprearance on Fox, and tell your Son an old Marine Sgt. E-5 says Thanks for being a Man and defending his country. Now that's a role model I can believe in.

THe media loves Cheney
Because the people we are fighting would not reflect for a second before beheading someone that makes it OK for us the USA to use torture? We are not like them and we don't have to become them to fight them. Cheney and company used torture out of panic. They got caught on 911 with their pants down. They gave into their worst instincts and over time were reputiated for it by a conservative supreme court, by the real professionals who said it was not effective, and finally by the public.

Even GWB himself eventually rejected this approach. But Chaney to the end was the true believer, even as GWB was firing Rumsfeld for incompetent arrogance that yes costs the lives of many US soldiers in Iraq, Cheney was calling Rummy the most effective Secretary of Defence in our history.

The media loves Cheney, but the Republican Leadership wishes he would just go away. Obama could have not asked for a better symbol to for the public to reject in the mid-terms. Expect Democratic Party ads to prominently feature Cheney. He is the gift that just keeps on giving.

Cheney Deserves a Medal!
If you really want to understand the Cheney situation with Obama, then read this guy's blog http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/05/cheney-takes-on -man.html He is one of the best out there!

Hardnox
Let me get this right, you believe that the decision to ignore Osama Bin Laden and to divert resources to Iraq was the correct decision that will be vindicated by history. The only real winners here are Osama and Iran. A war that was supposed to be cheap and fast has now lasted longer than WW II. The best we can hope for at this point is a speedy exit. While Saddam is gone, it is unlikely that we will see a real democracy freindly to the USA.

So what will history ultimately say....?

We were attacked under Clinton
at home and OVERSEAS.

The difference with Bush' strong protection was except in war zones, Americans were not slaughtered en masse as in the Tanzanian and Kenyan embassies, in the USS Cole, at Kobar Towers.

As soon as the King Elect O was in office, Ams. and Jews were massacred in Mumbai, kidnapped by Somali pirates, and the Taliban have experienced a province-wide resurgence in Pakistan and Afghanistan--all in the under six months Big O has been in office.

Yes, thanks to Cheney for sticking to cons. principles, as they are stronger and more enduring and better for Am. in the end.

Bork Sotomayer.

Dangerous media.
Actually, this whole series of speeches on torture has just brought home to me how very dangerous the media is. The NYT, in particular, could almost be called traitorous due to some of its exposures.
I am always greatly surprised how much power lies in the hands of any Press Secretary.They are basically speaking "for" the President but really what makes them so qualified ? Has the ordinary citizen ever heard of them before their appointment ?

W finallly responded to terrorism
History repeats itself.

Muslim terrorists (not ALL Muslims) attacked America without fear of reprisal for around 30 years, capturing our embassy in Iran ("Hey, call out the college students to capture the US embassy!"), killing our troops in the hundreds with car bombs, bombing the USS Cole, the list goes on.

W finally responded when they went "a bridge too far," killing thousands on 9/11 on American soil.

Now, we're going through the same thing with North Korea and Iran, which have made crystal clear that they want nukes and the ability to deliver them.

W responded with action. Obama responds, to date, with rhetoric and speeches, apparently unable to understand that the threats posed might not be just hot air. "Death to America" is not an ambiguous threat. The Israelis, also threatened in this manner, realize this... and they live in the same neighborhood, not across an ocean.

I guess that we can rest assured that if worse comes to worse, Obama will look cool and have his teleprompters under control if and when the nukes are ready to go.


Big O gives so many speeches
he must be upping the CO2 in the atmosphere.

The EPA should find him in violation of GW gasses.

Bork Sotomayer.

Cheney is a man, unlike the puerile Obam
Dick Cheney took Obama to the woodshed - HOORAHHH!!!
Finally, a Republican who actually stands up to POTUS!

We need more Dick Cheneys in the GOP - Obama must be exposed and challenged
loudly, openly, clearly.
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE REPUBLICANS?

The GOP MUST fight Obama and his socialiat Marxist Statism - NOW!
Cheney has begun the fight - MOVE ON IT NOW!
CUT OBAMA AND THE LEFT DOWN!
STOP BEING AFRAID - people are ready to fight, too, but they have to have a leader!!!

We love Dick Cheney - he stands up for what is right for the USA and makes mince meat of Obama's
namby-pamby but dangerous political crap.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

If it's not torture to crush the skulls of babies and then suck them out of the womb or to leave babies born of botched abortions to starve to death then it isn't torture to do exactly the same thing to terrorists - people who will kill Americans and destroy America.
Obobo has no moral or ethical code - he just does whatever is expedient for votes and power and for support from Soros - Obama is a coward, a barbarian coward who kills innocents but saves murderers. What the hell is wrong with voters who elected Obama the dissembling, arrogant, hateful, and cunning Chicago thug???


Leftist and hypocracy
CNN's Anderson Cooper was so flustered over Cheney's latest speech at the American Enterprise Institute that he asked Cheney's daughter Elizabeth: "If a Democrat was doing this in a Republican administration, wouldn't be the Republicans be saying, this is traitorous?"
Hey Anderson, except for about six months after 9/11/2001, the Democrats went far beyond what Cheney is doing. They slandered President George W. Bush. They called him a liar. They called him a deceiver. They called him stupid. They called him a racist. They called him a warmonger and uncaring for the families of our military. The liberal media ran stories that were demeaning and damaging and withheld stories that would have looked good for the President and the Republicans.
Bozell has this exactly right, you lefties have no leg to stand on. Your hypocracy is breath-taking. You can dish it out but you can't take it. I wish Cheney had been more vocal during his tenure as Vice President. More than likely Bush kept him muzzled because he has too many leftist leanings. The Republicans did not do enough honest defense of what they were doing, or call the Democrats and the liberal media for their lies and distortions. They may have figured the leftist media would have distorted or not printed any of the defense anyway.

liberal newspapers
Hopefully, all of the liberal, biased news media suffer financially and eventually go out of business. It would open the door to someone starting fresh who has the desire to publish the facts instead of slanted biased rubbish.

I LOVE BUSH, CHENEY AND ROVE!
I am so happy, that finally one of them speaks up in defense of the Bush presidency, since not even so called “conservative” Republicans dare to take the liberals on with clear, unequivocal, “no prisoners taken” voice! Bill O’Reilly became an apologist for handling the Iraq war and blames the Bush administration, as many conservatives call Bush a “destroyer” of the Republican conservatism because of his Medicare part D and No child left behind policies! SHAME ON YOU FOR BEING DISLOYAL TO A GOOD PRESIDENCY! God bless Dick Cheney to finally stand up for the administration he was part of. I wish he would’ve started sooner, but I am sure he had much more pressing priorities than to take on their relentless critics. Dick Cheney, may God give him health and strength to continue for long time yet to be the spokesman of this ungrateful, fractured party that tears itself to pieces for not agreeing even with themselves! The evangelical right DID cause the demise of this great party, with the Catholic wing of it (the most vociferous pro-lifers) being in the lead, when they voted 54% for Obama! Obama is the punishment for the far-right, who thinks that the Pope from the Vatican should be “social issues” legislator for the American Republican party! The leaders of the “celibate” pedophiliacs in the USA were one of the most vicious scourgers of the Bush administration, for not “overturning” Roe v. Wade, as if that would have been the number one priority of the Bush administration. Pat Buchanan is the greatest traitor of the Republican party, worse than McCain!
Some of you, are still on that beat, and cause the dysfunction and disunity of the GOP! Even God compromises in times of peril or reach a goal, like when he ordered the extermination of the population living in the “promised land”, including women and children, why not you!

Amen to Hardnox of VA (Reply#29)
That is all I can say. You nailed it exactly. There has been no outrage over all the evil, heartless, deviant things that the Islamic extremist have done, but by golly making someone feel like they are drowning is so evil ... (puke).

Cheney Knocked Out Obama in Round One
I stood up in my living room and cheered Cheney after his speech. His statements made Obama look and sound like the tinhorn dictator he is. The narcississy lost big time with his faulty logic and oily rhetoric. I thought is that all you've got, Obama, Soetero, Dunham or whatever the hell your name is? ME, Me, and more Me? I'm sick to death of him!!

Now the White House is giving pre-packaged press releases and carefully controlled film clips to the press. Wake up America. Is this how we want this country to be remade, and governed?



To ALL conservative “womb warriors”!
This is for ALL defenders of the “unborn”, killers of the Republican party!
The liberals have you play out your hypocrisy, by bringing up the torture issue. While I would have used harsher methods to get information to save lives, REAL LIVNG, BREATHING, THINKING, AND FEELING AMERICAN LIVES, you far-rightist nut jobs, call a safe, medical intervention like a D & C abortion “murder” and “torture”! No responsible woman in her right mind uses abortion as a contraceptive method, but there are exceptions among women (like myself) who, for health reasons had only one option , rhythm method. When that failed on two occasions in my 20 year marriage to an abusive, sick man (he could not help his sickness and I did have two of our children to raise, so I sacrificed myself until my two kids were on their own), I had to use abortion: responsibly in the earliest gestation time. I REFUSED AND STILL WOULD REFUSE TO GIVE UP MY CHILD THAT I SACRIFICED FOR TO CARRY FOR NINE MONTHS JUST TO GIVE AWAY AS AN UNTENABLE PROPERTY TO GOD KNOWS WHAT KIND OF FAMILY, WHOM GOD DEPRIVED TO BEAR CHILDREN OF THEIR OWN! You j**ks, call me a murderer, and a liberal, even though I am a conservative to the core!
Get your act together and enlarge the Republican Party, even if you have to compromise some of your far-out social conservative issues! The alternative isn’t any better, as you can see by now!

The Weakest Half
The less intelligent group in our country elected a communist to sit in the oval office. If Barry isn't a member of the CPUSA then strike me down. Dick Cheney needs to come to the people with all the facts. I love his calm persona in the face of this disastrous administration. Barry chose a formidable enemy because Cheney is brilliantly American. Go get 'em, Dick!

Narcississy vs. A Real Man
Go, Dick Cheney! Keep it up, keep the MSM and the leftist libs foaming at the mouth. The American public may admire pretty words spoken smoothly, but they know the truth when they hear it and Cheney speaks the truth.

(Barbara! Love 'narcississy'! Describes O perfectly.)

Aniko
You may well be conservative to the core. And your decision cost you greatly. But are you saying, because you "refused to give up [to adoption] that which grew in your womb, you annihilated it? Life could not thrive because the sacrifice of incubation was too great for YOU?? So you played God?

You aren't a bad person for this. And your life has been a living hell. Yet, while lashing out at conservatives for a decision YOU made, you still defend your abusive husband! ("he could not help his sickness.")

There is forgiveness at the Cross. Jesus DID sacrifice and willingly die for just this reason. To carry the pain, the grief, and the penalty for your sin and mine.

This isn't about politics Aniko. It's about forgiveness.

JMO51
Let me explain the difference between torture and enhanced interrogation. Enhanced interrogation is where you hope it stops. Torture, on the other hand, is where you hope you die.

First MA May 27, 2009 - 1:46 AM EST

You still don't deal with truth and reality very well, do you.

You need to smarten up a bit before you rant against the truth. It makes you look foolish.


Nothing new, fresh or intelligent here.
Move on, nothing to see here.

Parent Of Five Beautiful Children
Aniko, you are just trying to rationalize your own selfish, tortured actions. Not wanting to give up your child to a couple who God deprived? I thank God every day that I was able to adopt two wonderful children whose birthmothers made the courageous, selfless decision to bring these miracles of life to term.

You need to cleanse the poison from your soul. I suppose a blind (or deaf, crippled, etc.) person was deprived by God for sins unknown? God hears all prayers. Get started.

Rick @ 10:12
If, as you say, "Move on, nothing to see her.", why did you take the time to post?

Oh well, you probably voted for Franken. . . . .

GW'S COMPASSION SUNK THE GOP

....."Governments cannot be compassionate ...Government can only coerce in the name of compassion" ...

.....The GOP got the ticket upside down in 2000 ...CHENEY should have been at the top ...he was the adult ...GW's childish attempt to coop the DEM's agenda cost the GOP its identity ...which they further destroyed by nominating MCCAIN ...

.....The GOP is lost in the wilderness without a MOSES .....COLOSSUS

Who would you rather see in the WH now?
We are on the verge of all-out war with North Korea: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=awBTCP e7S2gw&refer=worldwide

Iran is ignoring sanctions, and directly threatening the United States and our allies with nuclear arms.

Even Russia has been moving missiles into Eastern Europe.

Why? Because they know the sissified "Lord and Savior" occupying the White House will let millions upon millions of Americans die slow, painful deaths before so much as lifting a finger in self defense.

Please, bring back Bush/Cheney!

Liberals like to feel morally superior,
even as the fight for partial birth abortion. But, which is the greater torture, water boarding or abortion?
As training, we water board our own troops. A study conducted prior to 9-11 concluded that there were no long term consequences to the practice. This is known, but the left ignores it. The left also pretends that innocent American lives were not saved as a result of water boarding.
Liberals suffer from a political psychosis. They have a desire for something to be, so reality must be distorted, denied, or deconstructed so that what they want becomes justifiable. Like all psychotics, liberals are out of toutch with reality.

Who do you trust?
Imagine yourself standing alone in the middle of a dark alley. At one end there's a guy who intends to kill you and your family at the other end safety. You have to choose which way to go. At the last minute you're told you can ask one of two people for some help; Obama and Dick Cheney. They are the only two people with the ability to gain information about who is at the other end of the alley, what their weapons are and how they intend to use them. Your life and the lives of your entire family depend on you making the right choice.

Which one of them Cheney or Obama? Which one of them do you bet your entire world on???


TERRORISTS SHOULD BE TREATED LEGALLY

.....Since abortion is legal and "torture" is not ...then the solution of what to do with terrorists is simple ...ABORT THEM .....COLOSSUS

Obama and Cheney as football coaches
If you compare the speeches on national security and enhanced interrogation techniques given by both President Obama and former Vice President Cheney to two football coaches in a football game, Mr. Cheney would get excoriated for "running up the score" on a hapless Obama team. Cheney won that debate, hands down!

Let's hear more from Cheney

Within the Republican political spectrum, Cheney is one of only a few to speak up and tell it like it is.

And you know what? Cheney comes from the position of having been there and done that - unlike the plethora of progressive fools who hate him and dis him.

Yes, the spirit of truth does have a wonderful ring to it. And you should notice how it cuts through all of the falsehoods the Dems/Libs/Socialists/Marxists/Progressives (basically all those who are against traditional America and a lawful American government) can throw up (as in regurgitate).

Mr. Cheney, may success attend your efforts!

We need more people in government like Cheney, who actually know the truth, to speak up and disclose the stupid left for what they are - dishonest destroyers of liberty and American nationality.

BTW, I think it is time to have everyone in the three branches re-swear their oaths of allegiance and their pledge to defend and protect the U.S. Constitution - publicly. Anyone who balks or refuses to do so is sent home.

We only want honest Constitution-abiding representatives and employees working for us.

Screw the lawless ones - we simply don't want them anywhere near our government.

women are wonderful
Aniko, empower yourself and stop being a victim or you won't find peace and happiness. I'm sure there's a great core of strength inside of you-pull it out, don't ever depend on a man or a group of politicians for your well being and then go and live a wonderful life.

created soul
I would pick Obama. Obama would seek out the professionals who would employ proven strategies for getting the info. Cheney would employ the ready fire aim approach and if that meant I get killed he would chalk it up to collaterial damage and the claim that history would vindicate his mistake.

Aniko:
I wrote a letter about abortion vs torture, then went to bed. It appears that your letter lashing out against pro-life Republicans may have been in response to my letter.

I am sorry that you had to suffer in your life and in your marriage. I, too, had problems in my marriage. In fact, I married twice and had two families. I had four pregnancies, none of which came at a convenient time for me. Though I am not now, nor have ever been Roman Catholic, I just felt that once a child was conceived, there was no going back, so I gave birth to all four and reared them to adulthood. I have maintained relationships with all of them. I am not sorry that I did.

You appear to be sorry that you did not. I am sorry you feel such anger and anguish. I don't know whether you are a Christian or not, but I do know that confessing sin to God and asking for mercy and forgiveness is healing.

I suspect it makes you even angrier to have someone suggest that what you did was a sin. But God is the author of life. The decision of when to give life and when to take it away is His, and His alone.


Highlander Juan
Yes, Cheney has been there and done that and it will take most of the Obama administration just to clean up the mess. But like a true believer Cheney is sticking to his story. Wasn't it Cheney who frequently pronounced many times that victory was just around the corner in Iraq. Wasn't it Cheney would told Bush the deficits don't matter and now he is the darling of the tea bag set. Wasn't it Cheney who said that Rummy was the best defense secretary in our nations's history.

Been there and done all that and still popular with about 25% of Americans, but 100% percent of the wingnuts.

JM051
So Obama would pick experts and Cheney wouldn't. You seem to be saying that the CIA doesn't know anything about interrogation. That's such a silly statement that I assume you must be joking. You are joking, right?

Moe
Waterboarding is torture. It is a violation of internation law. I am still waiting for that phoney Hannity to keep his promise to be waterboarded for charity. If as you say it is no big deal he should certainly be willing to do that knowing that he can have it stop any time he wants it to. After all that would totally stick it to the liberals, except for one thing, he won't do it cause he would not last a second and then he would have to admit that all is tough guy bluster is bull.

JMO51 NY May 27, 2009 - 10:46 AM EST

By wingnuts, I suppose you refer to conservatives.

Do you have a problem calling conservatives 'conservatives,' rather than referring to them in derogatory terms?

Did I start this name calling by using derogatory terms in my references to people left of center? If so, what terms did I use that you consider derogatory?

Aniko:
I was troubled by the story of the extermination of the Amalekites when I first read it, also. I couldn't understand why God would order Saul to do such a thing. But then I realized God's ways are higher than our ways. There are things going on in the spirit realm that we mere mortals simply don't comprehend. Sin is disobedience to God's commands. God ordered Saul to exterminate the Amalekites; Saul did what he, Saul, thought best, rather than to do as he had been commanded.

God has commanded us to honor life, and life comes about through women carrying their babies and allowing them to be born.

I don't think you made the right decision in aborting your babies. I understand your not wanting to wonder what happened to them if you had given them up for adoption, but my guess is that you would not be so angry with those of us who want to honor God by opposing abortion if you had. May God forgive you and heal your wounded spirit.

Robert
There was considerable internal debate within the CIA. This is the straw man arguement kind of like Bush saying he was listening to the Generals when in reality the policy was driven by the white house. If we ever get a truth commission it will be clear that the CIA went along with the White House's policies not the other way around.


JMO51
"If we ever get a truth commission it will be clear that the CIA went along with the White House's policies not the other way around. " We shall see. You can scarcely use an allegation as an argument. If Cheney is lying about the effectiveness of the waterboarding (which I do not think is torture) then all Obama has to do is release the memos. Obama has already irreparably damaged the CIA and our troops by releasing the information he has. Surely a little more won't bother his conscience. A truth commission run by Democratic politicans is in truth an oxymoron.

Memos
Obama would have released the memos had they been in his favor.

So true...where was he...

Cheney has always been a favorite of mine but he was put in the background way too often during Bush's tenure.

Cheney is calling out Obama in a way only he can do. He simply does not suffer fools, which of course explains why Cooper and Toobin are so upset.

PlanoBlue
You write as all liberals write, with all the intelligence and reflection of a rabid dog.

But I agree with you on one thing: I LOVE seeing Dick Cheney FINALLY defending against the forces of evil, the Dem party and its standard-bearer, BO. After 8 years of near silence, ONE Republican is finally speaking truth to power.

Yeah, the Dems used to brag about their "speaking truth to power," but they only did it when they were absolutely certain there would be no retaliation. Notice that when a huge number of concerned Republicans staged Tea Parties, the Department of Homeland Security started seeing terrorist threats among the protesters. No cars were overturned, no arrests were made, no windows were broken, no bombs were thrown; the Tea Party participants peacefully protested a government growing exponentially and, in the process of rewarding its campaign contributors, shredding the Constitution.

I have great hope for 2010, even greater hope for 2012; many of my blind friends are beginning to see the truth. But will we ever undo the damage The O is inflicting on America, and especially on capitalism, the system that has created the greatest nation in the history of the world? THAT is a much harder task.


BWulfe
While serving as VP, Cheney’s Body Language reminded me of an attack dog on a short leash. The leash is GONE :)! Notice that ALL of the Tinpot Dictators are SABER RATTLING now that Bush & Cheney are out of office. I imagine it went something like this in the White House today:

Robert Gibbs: “President Obama, North Korea has fired off 3 test rockets and threatened to invade South Korea.”

Sail Eared Simpleton: “I…uhhh…I…uhhh…I…uhhh…I…uhhh…I…uhhh”

Republicans Defending Themselves??!!??

I am shocked! Shocked! What happened to the compassionate whining and shuffling of the Bush administration? I guess we now know who the weak sister was.

Now You've Done It, Polly
"You write as all liberals write, with all the intelligence and reflection of a rabid dog." You've given rabid dogs grounds for a suit for defamation of character.

Mr. Bozell
The argument that VP Cheney should just be quite, or traitorous, is a joke. Where was the left when EXP Carter, Clinton, EXVP Gore were all over the world running down Pres. Bush, and Vp Cheney? As told in the column, what about the msns tritorous acts, and lieing to the people. The left calling us traitors is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The right should not only loudly fight back, we can not let them define the word traitor.
Kirk

plano blue
I had a dog named Blue, he was smarter then you, and much friendlier. The day they try to charge the past admn. with crimes, is the day you seal a second revolution in this country. And plano, your side would lose. Remmber the right serves in the military, the right owens the guns, the right lays down it's life on every battle field. The left is great at protests, or fighting unarmed people, but other then that I have found them to be dialers of 911, not fighters.
Kirk

Robert
If waterboarding is not torture, what is your criteria lasting bodily harm. So if you could create a device that creates excreuciating pain but does no permanent damage that would not be torture in your opinion.

As to releasing the memos. Since we don't know the content we cannot be sure why the Obama administration is reluctant to release and since you think transparency on the issue I assume you are in favor of a truth commission.

Finally given the questionalble effacy of using torture or whatever euphemism permits you to feel comfortable with the concept (enhanced interrogation) and the questionable moral, and legal problems, plus the possibility of it being used as a recuiting tool. You would think they would have attempted to exchaust other mean first.

I stick to my original premise that this policy was ready fire aim by a bunch of scared and guilt ridden politicos playing tough guys.


Most people in the Bush Administration would like to move on and chauk it up the extraordinary pressures of the time. But not Dick Cheney and the more that we discover about this the more likely that all roads will lead to the Vice President's office.

As to the Obama administration, they could not have asked for a better symbol of the failure of the Bush Administration than Dick Cheney. He is the gift that keeps on giving.


JMO51
Torture causes excruciating physical pain or lasting physical damage. Waterboarding does not. Waterboarding was not resorted to until other methods has failed.

The reason a truth commission would be a bad idea is that it would expose even more of our secrets to our enemies. Obama has done more than enough of that. Do you really think that Democratic politicians would run a fair truth commission? Also, you have created a dangerous precedent. Each new administration would be tempted to criminalize the behavior of the previous administration. The standards you propose for government action in time of war would have criminalized Roosevelt, Truman, Wilson, Lincoln, and Washington. War is not a pretty business.

There is also the question of motivation. You and the others obsessed by 'truth' commissions are obsessed with revenge on the Bush administration. You don't care what damage you do to the country or how much you embitter and divide the country. As a matter of fact, I think that is your true goal.

Highlander Juan
There is a difference between conservatives and wingnuts. Not all conservatives are wingnuts. Wingnuts are far right reactionaries. Just as not all liberals are left wingnut. In fact both right wingnuts and left wingnuts share a lot in common. Both groups are on the fringes ideologically, demonstrate a paranoid view of the intentions of the other side and are likely to to be accepting of conspiratory theories.

Both sets of wingnuts are as predictable as can be when it come to their world view.

Now as to name calling. I think it is downright offensive to call someone by a made up name rather than their real name. So when I hear people in leadership positions referring to the Democratic Party as the Democrat party I think that is downright offensive. For someone who hold the highest office in the land POTUS to repeatedly referred to the other party incorrectly is both childish and disrespectful and unbecoming of a President or Senator. So I expect you will call them out on this.

Dick Cheney 2012
He's always been impressive with his forthright delivery and laser insight. Liz is also very sharp. She's got my support if she chooses to run for Congress.

blue
No the comp. comes with spell check. I have re-read my post, and please point out the mis-spelled word, or words. Then maybe you can answer the posts points, or not.
Kirk

A little help from the MSM
Bush and Cheney waterboard 3 hard core terrorists to save thousands of lives-WAR CRIMINALS.
Obama has three black teenage pirates brains blown out with .50 cal. sniper rifles to garner the release of one man-HERO
This is the position of the Chicago Sun Times.With friends like this , who needs enemas.

Torture
I do believe that waterboarding is a form of torture however a lesser form than many others especially considering the fact that a Dr. is present during the procedure. Liberals always accuse conservatives of seeing everything in black and white but in this case I believe it's the liberals that are guilty of it. All kinds of torture all the time or none under any set of circumstances seems pretty foolish to me. Waterboarding was used three times and did in fact yield information that likely saved thousands of lives. Do you totally anti people really believe that not using these techniques would have been justified if thousand or hundreds of thousands had died? I don't understand that mindset at all.

For Kirk

You don’t get it. While no one kills better than a socialist, American liberals never get their hands dirty. If you need to be crushed they will first attempt to get their municipal police forces to do it. If that does not work they will send the SWAT teams of the federal alphabet agencies. When that fails they will fall back on their trump card of a half million plus urban gang members.

It's Stunningly Obvious, isn't it?
Dick Cheney is "Dad" to the mislead, misbehaving "children" that the libs truly are.

No wonder they can't stand him.

Truth hurts.

Lloyd Lixard Dung in Noo Yawk:
Cheney's positives are now higher than ever. Why? Because he doesn't take the mealy-mouthed eunoch viewpoint of the "wizards of smart" on our side any more than the cretins on the Left.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

binc
Waterboarding was used on three individuals one of them was waterboarded 180 plus times. They is the perfect proof of how ineffective it is. As to the Dr. being around if that was to insure that no permanent harm was done the you must be defining torture as something that kills or lead to permanent injury. Pain or fear that you are drowning does not meet your criteria.

There can be abolutely no doubt that if this was being done to an American soldier we would attack it as torture.

Cheney is in CYA mode.....
Where was his mouth and heart during the Bush years, when we really needed somebody to speak up?

Where was he when the libs claimed that there were no WMD, when since the beginning of Iraq War, 550 metric tons of yellow-cake had already been amassed in Iraq, enough to make over 100 nuclear bombs, or thousands of dirty bombs.

Why didn't he speak out about this same yellow cake during the Plame affair?

Why did he become a party to the spend and grow government that we only now complain about.

In all honestly, where were you Mr. Cheney when you were in the position to the most for your country, but chose instead to remain silent.

Where was your voice that pledged to guard and uphold the Constitution. It certainly cannot defend itself. It needed your voice, as it did the voice of the President.

Both of you were strangely and perhaps cowardly silent when we needed you the most. You and your silent efforts only fueled the furhter disdain of the Republican Part, ushering in the Kingdom of Obama.

So at last you decide to open your mouth and say the things that needed to be said for the last 8 years.... Why now? Will you speak up about the other issues as well? For the sake of your own conscience, I would hope so. But how much better it would have been to hear your voice all during the last eight years, instead of now, just now, when you may feel the Obama machine threaten your personal freedom..... Though I detest Obama and his ilk, it sure looks a little like CYA from here.


Obamatron's Trademark
Cheney was right on about everything.

Obama saying that waterboarding was not consistent with American values. Who is he kidding. Here's a man who calls for the wholesale killing of babies that survived abortions. Here's a man who took bribes from a Syrian national. One who took credit for a biography written by William Ayres. One who accepted tens of millions in illegal overseas cash contributions from people named "dick tracy". One who forced banks to make mortgage loans to people on welfare.

America has long history of doing whatever was necessary to win a war. 30 seconds over Tokyo? Dresden?

And of course, saying that there were other means to obtain this information is just disingenuous - Obamatron's trademark.

Finally an ex-vp who acts presidential
Dick Cheney in my opinion stands to be the greatest ex-vp in recent times. When he speaks it is very presidential...I am proud of his standing up for what he believes is and was right....I envisioned Pres Bush in private handing the keys to the country to the freshman senator and saying calmly and wisely "Now, it is not CHARADES..." I don't think Obama understood.

Robert
No I am with Obama on this. A truth commission would be a very bad idea. But Cheney seems to be asking for just that with his demand for the release of additional documents. In that respect he is alighted with the leftys who want the same thing.

I was hoping that I could bait you into that position, I failed Kudos to you. And you are right it would set a very bad precident and would be especially problematic for the employees at the CIA. I do think we need to put into place safeguards to make sure that another paranoid administration under pressure will be constrained by the rule of law.

As to Cheney and the rest of the Bush administration, I have absolutely no doubt that they did what they did with the best of intentions, protecting the American People. But you know what they say about the road to hell. Most Bush officials are just contented to let the whole sorted affair slip into history. After all at the end of the day the Bush administration ended up coming around to the same policies as Obama. (with some pressure from the Supreme Court)

But Cheney is sticking to his orginal premise. Thank god that he was the VP not President and that finally Bush got wise to Cheney's extremist positions and put him in his proper place.


Where was Cheney in 2001-2008?
He was doing HIS job! He stood behind and beside his president without trying to be a media darling like that dingbat VP we have now. He did exactly what he should have done. Now that he is out of office he is free to speak to the abuses of power and dangerous positions of our current administration and the whole dang Congress BASED ON HIS VAST EXPERIENCE. Who in the critics circle has his knowledge? Not a one! Who would I trust to speak on keeping Americans safe and preventing further attacks? Cheney---that's who. Give 'em hell Dick and don't let up on pointing out the absurdity of our current administrations policies in regard to people who hate us and want us as dead and gone as they want Isreal to be.

YOU DO NEED HELP
Douglas
Location: IL
A little help from the MSM
Bush and Cheney waterboard 3 hard core terrorists to save thousands of lives-WAR CRIMINALS.

AND JUST WHO DID THEY SAVE ... BALI. MADRID. THE LONDON BOMBINGS? TELL US THE INCIDENT THAT WATER BOARDING STOPPED?

Obama has three black teenage pirates brains blown out with .50 cal. sniper rifles to garner the release of one man-HERO
This is the position of the Chicago Sun Times.With friends like this , who needs enemas.

YOU ALWAYS SEEM TO LEAVE OUT THE POINT THAT THESE 3 TEENAGERS WERE HOLDING AK-47'S AND APPEARED TO BE ABOUT TO SHOOT THE CAPTAIN. WHY IS THAT?

SO TELL US AGAIN HOW BUSH HANDLED HIS FIRST HOSTAGE CRISIS WHEN THE CHINESE FORCED A US SPY PLANE TO LAND ON THEIR TERRITORY? HE TOLD THEM SORRY FOR KILLING YOUR PILOT AND SORRY FOR INVADING YOUR AIR SPACE ... THEN HE PAID THEM $11,000 FOR ROOM AND BOARD. LOL ... A TRUE WARRIOR PRESIDENT!

Titanic Media
The only reason that the Dems are saying anything about waterboarding is because this kind of screaching is the only thing they know how to do - and they do it very well. They've won two elections with it, thanks to their slithering minions in the Titanic Media.

Name 65-66 said

"I have always claimed it should have ...
...been the Cheney-Bush team,not the Bush-Cheney team."

It would have been intersting to see what Cheney would have done with the economy

Jim
"AND JUST WHO DID THEY SAVE".

Cheney wants to release the rest of the memo that would explain just that, but Obama doesn't want to. So, Obama had no problem showing the documentation that we did this, but has no interest in releasing the memo that would explain what we gained from employing it.

JMO51 NY May 27, 2009 - 12:09 PM EST

Obama hasn't proven his legitimacy as POTUS yet, and I know many, many, people are really upset with him because 1) he is believed to be a usurper and he just doesn't care enough about the charge to resolve it publicly, 2) he has obligated the American citizens to debts that will never be able to be re-paid, 3) he has totally disregarded government controls found in the U.S. Constitution and is viewed as lawless by the conscious public, and 4) he has not earned respect of the American people because of his arrogance and because of his mealy mouthed relations with foreign nations and their leaders.

I would very much like to be able to honor and respect my President, but I can't honor this president until he does something honorable. Honor and Respect by citizens is earned, not granted or owed.

I can fully understand the ongoing frustration of conscious American citizens who are waiting for the Washington madness to stop - especially the lawless spending of our nation's wealth. The tea parties were spontaneous, but they were a sign of unrest, and my belief is that they will continue until we 1) see proper actions in Washington, or 2) we have our second revolution.

I don't think anyone in Washington has any idea how angry many, maybe most, Americans are at this government, all parts of which are supporting socialism and implementing the worst programs that could be imagined. Our own government is not listening to, or acknowledging, the moral outrage expressed by American citizens.

When do the people who earn the money, obey the laws, finish their jobs, raise their families, build their businesses, stand and defend American principals, get their satisfaction from a properly run government.

Do the people have to do that job themselves? Is the idea of representative government false? Can we not elect good people to do our nation's bidding?

When does the madness end and sanity return?

Obama the great Constitutional scholar?
Yesterday, while announcing his pick for Supreme
Court Justice, the president went recklessly off
his teleprompter and pronounced that "the
Constitution is 20 centuries old"!!! WTF? The fool doesn't realize his own mistake (as usual)
and as usual the MSM carries this incubator baby
around like precious cargo. Lil' Kim must be doing a post-stroke jig everyday over our incompetent boob of a president.

Cheers For Cheney Indeed!!!
Cheney is simply the last honest man / woman in Washington.

Obama is nothing more than a Collectivist demagogue, saying whatever it takes to quell populist ignorants. When a President cannot sell his programs on their own merits without disparaging his predicessor as the straw dog licking at his heels, the predicessor needs a champion.

It is getting very tiresome to all that Obama's only justification for his insanity is "Bush Made Me Do It!".

Cheney may not be as great a pitch man as Obama, but clearly America is beginning to notice the difference between pitching snake-oil and telling the truth. Cheney, even after being demonized by all of Media-land for 8 years, is getting an audience with simple, empirical truths.

First, lloyd, JMO51, Jim
more liberats from the greatest of the socialist, high tax states! Tell us bright ones, where is the money coming from when all of the rich people move out? Keep drinking your osama aid you union pukes! The magical mystical negro will save you!

Rick in MN go back home, Iowidiot! There's nothing for you here!

PlanoBlue; another liberat moron speaks. You better hope that one of your more intelligent TX citizens doesn't catch you. They will send your illegal butt back to Mexico!

Keep ignoring the role that the democruds had in not only in creating the current economic crisis, but the war in Iraq. They are the primary architects of the problem, yet in typical cowardly liberat fashion, when they get caught, they shift the blame to someone else! Dick Cheney kicked osama's behind, very badly. He has more brains in his little finger than osama and his entire cabal of buffoons and tax cheats, combined! All of you losers that voted for him are too narcissistic and afraid to admit that you screwed up, so you have to keep being his apologist gong beaters and support his misguided policies!

Meanwhile, they continue to play the race card, using minorities for their political expediency, while still blaming the rich and the republicans for all of the nation's ills.

First, your quotes of PollingReport are also as worthless as you are because that is a MSM supported entity.

When the conservative republicans take back the government after the umpteenth liberat attempt at socialism fails AGAIN, I suspecttha there will be far less tolerance for you moonbats!


Cheney Is Being Heard Like It Or Not
I never paid much attention to V.P. Cheney during the years he was in office because he never said much to my knowledge and remained in the background most of the time, although, he was probably the right hand of the U.S. President, George W. Bush.
Well, thank goodness, he's come out of the closet and he is now speaking out not about sexual orientation but about the U.S. military men and women and federal agents who protect our country and jepordize their own lives for the sake of the nation whose freedoms are under attack from within and from without. I only hope he continues to speak out despite the opposition and their take on the war that we torture people who have information that could save hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans from being torturously killed by bombings which are common place in their countries. What about the U.S. military and civilian people who were inhumanely torutred and beheaded and their heads held up on video by the enemy combatants as their prize and threaten to continue on with their agenda or even a nuclear blast to the U.S.? Ask questions now and keep the country safe should definitely be their motto.

BTW First
you obviously don't get out much, do you?

Hundreds of liberats, upon seeing that their paychecks will be dropping from increased taxation to pay for the socialist policies that they supported, are becoming disenfranchised from the democrud party - I know, I work with a whole company full of them and see it every day!

In fact, I have a picture of Alfred E. Obama that I got from the Black Sphere blog, hanging in my office. You probably better not go to that blog though, because Kevin Jackson is so intelligent that you will have a stroke trying to match wits with him!

Obama Is A Glib Liar Of Course
JM051 offers, "A truth commission would be a very bad idea. But Cheney seems to be asking for just that with his demand for the release of additional documents."

Corrupted logic, of course.

Cheney is simply noting to all that Obama is a practicing Demagogue that takes a paring knife to the truth to sway popular opinion as suits him best.

Cheney is not asking for a truth commission. He is simply exposing Obama as a liar, that glibly tells half truths as a matter of course. Nothing more.

I always said
That Bush/Cheney should have come out swinging against the press. Where was this when they were in office? There is no high road in politics and they should have fought the media tooth and nail.

Read the Alinsky Administration!
First, know yourself & know the enemy...

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTY5ZTA5NmEwMGY4MTFhND g2ZDg4NjU2MDkxOGYyYTE=

If you want to understand the Obama Administration then learn about Saul Alinksy.

Plano
your right, there is only one thing worse - idiot propaganda spewing liberat believers of the osamanation like you! Keep hitting the bong there in your pink sky world.

Like Hardnox pointed out earlier, the dumbocruds pushed for the war, but didn't have the guts (just like all of you liberats that are the toughest kids on the block behind your mommy and the screen door) to do it themselves. Just too easy to blame others for doing their dirty work! But, a pencil necked puke like you wouldn't see that!

Just keep one thing in mind, butt wipe; more people have died, both civilian and military, due to the bunglings of dumbocrud administrations than of all the republican ones, combined! Sorry, but I would take Cheney in a national crisis over the Bobsey Twins, obozo and bribem any day!

Yes, it's a great thing that the great state of TX has so many people that are far more intelligent than you. You are obviously a CA transplant!


First, MA.:Repub congress had 12% approv
rating & 73% disapproval rating.
Bush earned a 9% Very positive rating and a 41% very negative rating...(Correction-dem congress had low approval rating)

You said: "...Conservatism is a dead end. Conservatives proved that they could not govern effectively, repeatedly broke the law, couldn't win any wars, increased corruption and poverty, and destroyed our economy. That's why American's are done with Conservatism and booted them from office."
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My turn: Know why conservatives failed? Because they've been too accomodating w/their opponents & just kept walking across that aisle meeting w/dems on projects/bills. Libs were smart enough to know the repubs would take the blame & fall for their failed policies. Are repubs stupid then? No. Just guilty of being too trusting & believing dems had an iota of honor. Rupubs worked w/dems - which killed them. Dems WON'T work w/repubs, which will absolutely kill them - thankfully w/o repubs to blame.

The repub policies that failed were the policies handed to them by dems. But now dems lost their fall guys. Dem policies NEVER work! Thank GOD they'll finally be passed to America via their own dirty dem hands.

I am glad conservatives are out of office. Now the libs/dems have no fall guys left but themselves. America will finally see what dishonest disasters the dem party is. So you see, it is YOUR party that needs to face it, that needs to acknowledge its own end. None left to use, abuse, accuse, blame, discard, displace, malaign, character assassinate, betray,& smear.

Plano
leave in to an osama supporter to miss that.

Just re-watch the speeches. All that your idiot in chief could do was call names and point fingers, while Cheney stuck to facts.

Now, YOU be a good little robot and go mow your owner's yard! And don't forget to pick up the dog doo!

madre812
Great post!

May I add that Nancy Piglosi is the first dominoe to fall as the liberat lie is exposed!

PLANO BLUE

.....DICK couldn't kick OBAMA'S butt because he couldn't reach it .....your lips were fused to his anus .....get up off your knees blue butt boy .....COLOSSUS

JM051
Human waste alert!!!!!!!!!!!
You credibility is up there with say, Keith Olberman or Bill Maher or nancy Pelosi, all just human excrement. Traitors, immoral idiots. You ilk needs to be cleansed, sounds innocent enough, I don't think that cleansing is considered torture. The worst torture is having you soil these threads with your immature and self important tripe, Go Away!!!! Far Away!!!!!

Impeach Obama Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CharletonHeston
The truth hurts, you can hide from it but will find you and when it does you will lash out. But slowly drip your world view will change. So thank you. And who knows maybe someday you may thank me for forcing to look at the world with a more critical eye.

Mac Moore
What half truth did Obama tell? Obama asknowledged that intelligence might have been obtained through torture making the releasing the memos a moot point. It still does not mean that the information could not have been obtained in another way. A way that is consistent with our values.

Cheney hoped to set a trap for Obama my trying to make the issue about whether Torture might have worked, Obama did not fall for it.

Highlander Juan
YOu asked me in an earlier post to describe the difference between a conservative and a wing nut. I present as evidence posts by Charleston Heston and Bruce. Angry, Frustrated, Paranoi- wingnuts.

Obama is Osama the magic negro. I am not saying these people are the same as you, but they should be called out when the go looney.

plano blue
No I was talking about the little pukes on collage Campuses threat Campuses threatening teachers, or the homosexuals in CA threatening churchgoers because they did not like the way they voted. The point is that the left in this country likes to feel, not think. Your posts are proof of this. Sorry I speeled remember wrong, but at least I make a point. No my dogs name now is Sadie. She is a nice dog, but does'nt like pukes.\
Kirk

Obamas speeches are torture
I think we need a commission to determine what is real torture. I cannot listen to an Obama speech, even the teleprompter ones. Not to mention he is so nuanced you have to sort through piles of manure to figure out what socialist propaganda he is spewing.

Thank you Dick Cheney for finally speaking out. I hope you continue. We need some leadership who will stick to facts, even if they must be repeated over and over. Let's not let the socialists and their pawns, the MSM, define conservatism. And who says we all have to believe exactly the same thing. About time for some debate, real debate, on issues with facts to support opinion. Hard to get that in todays mainstream news, or Obama speeches.

"Where was he from 2001 to 2008?"
Great question but he's "come out" now, I hope he stays out and maybe puts some spine in the
currently spineless backs of the Republican Party and it's current crop of "leaders" bending over frontwards and commiserating with each other on how to "fix" the GOP. Any Republican who gets the steam coming out of the ears of the Left will most certainly get my vote.

JMO51 @ 4:47
Sorry to jump in the middle of your conversation, but. . . . .

Since you have identified those on the right wing who you would use derogatory terms for, which of the famous left leaning posters here at TH would you so describe?

Just Curious

Dick Cheney: Flawed Messenger
I can't but help being galled by the recent "road show" undertaken by the former Vice President Dick Cheney with its theatrical, if not alarmist claim, that the current administration has undermined the security of the United States. Mr. Cheney has suggested that Barack Obama would set the country on a course where other Americans will once again find themselves in harms way. I find this political grandstanding nothing less than preposterous, when one stops to consider that it is coming from a man, who when it was his time to serve his country in Vietnam, opted out as he had, in his own words, "other priorities". In his pursuit of "other priorities", Dick Cheney would benefit from multiple deferments from military service while other Americans were fighting and dying in Southeast Asia.

Cheney's assertion that Obama has embarked on a "reckless" course of action in seeking to close Guantanamo should be seen as a rather curious statement when one considers that it was Cheney and his Neocon fellow travelers who advocated for a war with Iraq, on the most dubious grounds, thereby engineering the most reckless undertaking in American history.

In reality Dick Cheney, with his advocating for War in Iraq and his championing of "enhanced interrogation" and unlimited detention may have done more to endanger the security of the country than Obama ever could by closing down Guantanamo. What will Mr. Cheney have to say if individuals who carry out the next terror attack on the United States admit to interrogators that their motive for joining the jihad was the invasion of Iraq, the abuses at Abu Ghraib, or the existence of Guantanamo?

See TownHall Blog entry: Dick Cheney: Flawed Messenger on National Security - http://bluecitypoliticsandcommentary.blogtownhall.com/2009 /05/26/dick_cheney_flawed_messenger_on_national_security.th tml

RightRex
Given that this is a right wing web site that would difficult, but I can tell you that I don't agree with all of the left poster's here and I have said so. But that said, I can tell you I think the far left is just as looney as the far left. The crazy people who think 911 was a plot by the Bush Administration. Crazy.

I got a friend that thinks Obama is a front man for the trilateral comission and cites as evidence the hiring of people like Tim Geitner. Oh yes, the far left is full of wackos and so is the far right.

JMO51
and you are the poster boy for left liberat wing liberat wing nuts. Speaking of the truth hurting, if your view is a more "critical eye," then you definitely have been watching too much MSNBC, reading the NY Crimes, etc. so you'll never get it.

I also find it difficult to believe that you are a true New Yorker and be happy that we exacted some revenge for 9/11! Did we get it 100% correct, no, but then noone does. Heck, now even FDR is under scrutiny over Pearl Harbor, because the evidence is mounting that he knew about Japan's plan far enough in advance that he could have prevented the losses there.

I'm sorry, but osama and the rest of his cabal are frauds, tax cheats and raging hypocrits, that so far, has not lived up to many of his campaign promises, so he will never get my respect unless he admits it. But, in true liberat fashion, he never will.

And remember what I posted in response to one of your critical posts last week, re: the number of US fighting men, women and civilians that died during dem admins being significantly higher than under GOP admins. And, bub, they aren't innocent in this one either, so quit being a hypocrit!

Bruce
Which campaign promises did you want him to keep?

JMO51 @ 5:25
I fully understand that this is a right-of-center web site. And I would also agree that there are plenty of people on both sides of the aisle who lack the intellectual horsepower of a goat.

But, I guess we will have to agree to disagree with which are the percentages that show up here. I do find it curious that so many left wingers show up here over and over again to get their lunch handed to them. (For what it's worth, I think you tend to argue pretty well, although I would disagree with most of your positions.)

Later

Bruce
Are you saying that the torture that the Bush administration authorized and now Cheney is defending was revenge?

Yes, more soldiers died under Democratic Administrations in the 20th Century. And you point is....

Hey Chuck: Joke about New York Women
Two men are talking on an airplane. One says to the other, "All New York women are b*tches."

Suddenly, a women directly in front of them rises from her seat and turns around. "Oh yeah," she says, "I'm from New York, and f*ck you."

Dick Cheney & George Patton
They both say, or in Patton's case, said, what they think. It is about time that someone took up the banner and relate to Obama for what he is...and insipid, sing-song idiot.

If you don't want to start living in an America that is Russia's twin with a few Muslim variants, best to let Cheney speak his mind. You might actually learn something.

See Dick Speak. See Libs Whine.
Any time a consevative gets an anguished squeal from the left...that's a plus!

Obama Has Your Credit Card -- Enjoy!!!
SJGuilitty offers, "Cheney's assertion that Obama has embarked on a "reckless" course of action in seeking to close Guantanamo should be seen as a rather curious statement when one considers that it was Cheney and his Neocon fellow travelers who advocated for a war with Iraq,"

Congress advocated our entry into Iraq. So, Liberals were part and parcel to the "travelers". So, what?

Cheney and team kept us safe with Guantanamo. So, now, a dimwit President wants to close down a $200M, state-of-the-art detention camp, manned by the finest military in the world, for what? Political gamesmanship? Ego? It feels good?

Does this guy think we are made of money????

The only gain for us Americans by closing Gitmo is a massive new debt and terrorists on our soil -- all so Obama can strut??

All this guy does is strut. We are going deeper and deeper in debt and all he does is travel, pontificate and spend money like a drunken soldier. The man has your credit card and is promising to buy you jobs, cars, banks, prisons, healcare, insurance ... whatever gets your vote, with it. Are you crazy!

Maybe you don't get it. Trust me, this bill is going to be huge! The jerk is spending millions of our dollars to travel to California for a fund raiser, today? The man has no scruples.

The "Tea Party's" were not about today's taxes. It's the tsunami tax that Obama, like a dough-headed teenager with his first credit card, is about to lay on us --- big time, that scares Americans.

When America put Obama in office, it was out of its mind!! What an idiot!

Cheney vs Obama / Man vs Boy

No wonder Dick Cheney's numbers have risen. Conservatives rarely hear a real man speak anymore. Just wussies. Cheney changed that.

Dear Leader is still campaigning. He is still trying to mesmerize the same idiots who fell for his spiel in the beginning. It is working,too. As long as there's a handout behimd the spiel,the sheep will follow.

America Does Not Torture Anyone!
JM051 offers, "What half truth did Obama tell? Obama asknowledged that intelligence might have been obtained through torture making the releasing the memos a moot point. It still does not mean that the information could not have been obtained in another way. A way that is consistent with our values. "

How stupid. This is war. We have been blowing people's brains out on the battle-fields throughout our history, by the thousands. Many of our Founding Fathers were warriors. Heck, our first President was probably pretty good at killing. "Our values"? What nonsense are you babbling on about?

How does slaughtering people fit with "our values"? Give me a break! Stop with the feined hysterics over water-boarding, as simple technique so harmless that we even use it on our own troops for training. Do you really think we torture our own???

Obama released memos that he deemed condeming of the Bush Administration, but conveniently did not release anything more. Instead, he chose to describe them himself. Interesting. That is called a half truth.

My guess is that our interrogators are professionals that go by the "book", whereby all those other methods were performed perfectly and delivered nothing. So, they tricked the captives into thinking their lives were in jeopardy. No torture. No mention of torture in any memo. That worked.

Of course, now that Obama has exposed our trick, we have one less tool to work with. Nice work, Obama -- political vengence first, America, second.

Just because Obama uses the term torture as kool aide to his minions, does not make it so. Heck, this guy lies so much, he has no idea where the truth even begins. He is just a jerk demagogue playing to your ignorance. Try not to get caught up in his scam.

If only GWB and DC
had been even half as vigorous at defending themselves and their actions/decisions during the 2002 - 2008 timeframe, we wouldn't be playing the game of "catch up" from a public relations standpoint. And the resultant electoral effect might be different if the public had a better understanding of our rationale for liberating Iraq from Saddam (as the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 declared as official USA foreign policy) and employing "EIT's" on a selected few high-value terrorists.

Keep it up, VP Cheney. Millions of us are in your corner.

Rejionder to Mac Moore
A few citations that you may want to read over if you really believe that Cheney & Co., have actually made us safer:

• Gen. Petraeus: Torture yields information ‘of questionable value.’
“Some may argue that we would be more effective if we sanctioned torture or other expedient methods to obtain information from the enemy. That would be wrong. Beyond the basic fact that such actions are illegal, history shows that they also are frequently neither useful nor necessary. Certainly, extreme physical action can make someone ‘talk;’ however, what the individual says may be of questionable value.” [Gen. David Petraeus, Letter to Multi-National Force-Iraq, 5/10/07]


• Army psychologist: Enhanced techniques ‘do not work’ in intelligence-gathering.
“It was stressed to me time and time again that psychological investigations have proven that harsh interrogations do not work. At best it will get you information that a prisoner thinks you want to hear to make the interrogation stop, but that information is strongly likely to be false.” [MAJ Paul Burney, Army’s Behavior Science Consulting Team psychologist, statement to Committee, 8/21/07. Senate Armed Services Report, p.78]


“I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. … It’s no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001. How anyone can say that torture keeps Americans safe is beyond me – unless you don’t count American soldiers as Americans.” [Matthew Alexander, Washington Post op-ed, 11/30/08]



Cheney Is A True American Patriot
Anderson Cooper is an imbecile of the highest order. Cheney's response to Obama's on-going campaign (I could have sworn he already won) to politicize the last eight years of American policy is true patriotism. He isn't just disagreeing because B. Hussein Obama has a "D" after his name. Cheney is exposing the empty partisanship that masquerades as security policy in Obamaland.

Just for giggles, Anderson Cooper, should re-broadcast all the times he admonished his Leftists pals for calling Bush, Cheney or Rove "evil," "Nazis." "murderers," or "war criminals." Don't blink, it will be a short segment.

edgycater.blogspot.com

With Obama, America Comes Second
SJGulitti offers, "A few citations that you may want to read over if you really believe that Cheney & Co., have actually made us safer:"

First off, we did not torture anyone. Try not feining the hysterics. These guys that you cite are all theoretorically speaking. None of them were on site of any of the interrogations, that I know of. Do you?

I find it amazing how smart everyone becomes, after the fact. "I could have done it better", "I knew that", .... and so on. Give it a rest.

Second, if these guys that you cite were so good at interrogating, why did we not use them? Do you really think that this was all just fun and games? We only use the "B" team during war?

Do you really think that our interrogators were novices at this art?... We spend billions of dollars on the finest military equipment and training in the world, but only employ mediocre interrogators?

Try to use some empirical thought.

These guys did not torture anyone. After employing all of their interrogating skills, they had nothing, simply because these captives felt comfort in their invincibility. So, our interrogators improvised trickery that shook the captives into thinking they were not only vulnerable but in jeopardy. It worked. No harm. No torture. Just answers.

And America was safer for it. Thank you, Bush & Cheney.

Of course, now that Obama exposed our secrets to feed "torture" kool aide to his minions, for political gain, we no longer have that trick in our arsenal. To Obama, his vengence came first over America.

And, America is less safer for it. Thank you, Obama.

Boy, did America ever mess up in puting Obama in office. What a mess!

The MSM Incited Foreign Fighter Recruits
SJGulitti offers a quote from Mathew Alexander in the Post, "I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo"

Wrong. First off, there were no abuse at Guantanamo and the Abu Ghraib problem was disciplinary issues that were methodically and expeditiously handled internally by the military.

The real problem was the Liberal main stream media relentless attack on the Bush Administration that enjoyed blurring truths with fiction to hamper the war effort. It worked. The Liberal obfuscation and disinformation fed radicals all over the world.

Heck, if a US soldier mis-handled a Koran, it was front page news! Torture! Same as Abu Ghraib! Evil! Nazis!

And, the Arab press ate it up like candy. Nice work, Liberals!

For the Liberals, conveniently blending Abu Ghaib with Gitmo was just fun and games of political persuasion. Forget America, this is politics! Sad.

I don[t want to be embarrassed, but MG!

"Bruce
Location: MN
Reply # 29
Date: May 27, 2009 - 3:06 PM EST Plano
your right, there is only one thing worse - idiot propaganda spewing liberat believers of the osamanation like you! Keep hitting the bong there in your pink sky world.

Like Hardnox pointed out earlier, the dumbocruds pushed for the war, but didn't have the guts (just like all of you liberats that are the toughest kids on the block behind your mommy and the screen door) to do it themselves. Just too easy to blame others for doing their dirty work! But, a pencil necked puke like you wouldn't see that!

Just keep one thing in mind, butt wipe; more people have died, both civilian and military, due to the bunglings of dumbocrud administrations than of all the republican ones, combined! Sorry, but I would take Cheney in a national crisis over the Bobsey Twins, obozo and bribem any day!

Yes, it's a great thing that the great state of TX has so many people that are far more intelligent than you. You are obviously a CA transplant!"


"Kirk
Location: MN
Reply # 19
Date: May 27, 2009 - 5:07 PM EST plano blue
No I was talking about the little pukes on collage Campuses threat Campuses threatening teachers, or the homosexuals in CA threatening churchgoers because they did not like the way they voted. The point is that the left in this country likes to feel, not think. Your posts are proof of this. Sorry I speeled remember wrong, but at least I make a point. No my dogs name now is Sadie. She is a nice dog, but does'nt like pukes.\
Kirk "

People Keep Asking
Where Cheney has been. Have they all really forgotten that he was so effective that the press all started saying he was the president. So, he had to keep a low profile and not outshine Bush.

I refuse to give too much praise...
... to someone who was basically the Chief Operating Officer in an administration that dramatically increased the size, scope, and intrusion of the federal government. New entitlement to prescription drugs just because you're old? Check. Expansion of federal interference in education? Check. Bailouts? Check. Quotas and tariffs on imported steel? Check. Expansion of agricultural subsidies? Check. Encouragement and government incentives to expand mortgage lending to those unable to pay back? Check.

Cheney is no hero, he's just the latest former tax collector for the welfare state.

Cheney rebuked by actual interrogator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYov5o5_2s

Cheney has his head in the sand. He and so many have no clue.

This video features an interrogator who knows exactly what he's talking about.

You who don't need to listen.

Our Interrogations Worked --- No Torture
Rick offers, "Cheney rebuked by actual interrogator."

More Liberal obfuscation, trying to fein torture where it does not exist. First off, Cheney has never offered that torture works. Second, your source is not one of the interrogators involved in the events that Cheney is talking about. He is a back-bencher trying to prove an unknown in a rear-view mirror.

Try to stay on point. Cheney offered that our interrogators did, indeed, gain actionable information using aggressive interrogation methods. It worked.

KingRex
Debate is one of the best ways to strengthen your reasoning powers and is really no fun at all when you are debating people who agree with you. I have to give Cheney credit he makes his case very well. But his arguement is fundamentally flawed. Even if I were to accept the primise that extra-ordinary threatening situations require extra-ordinary interrogation techniques. The fact that we obtained some useful information would not be sufficiently extra-ordinary to justify the over the line approach. The ticking time bomb senerio for example. The fact that one of the prisoners was water boarded 181 plus time proves this could not have been a ticking time bomb situation. Lets also not forget that many of the critics of Waterboarding were Republicans like John McCain and Lindsey Graham and the other Republican Senators who suppported McCain's anti-torture legislation. Lets not for a moment compare their record of military service to that of Cheney who got I believe 8 deferrments which certainly qualifies one the title of chicken hawk.

Cheers for Cheney
Liberals and the media know that there is no one to bash except the past administration if you are trying to not be accountable for the mayhem presented under the banner of Change. We have been taken over by the hip, hot and happening of Chicago gone Hollywood foam. As a country it has been pointed out people saw each other as individuals not brand names. Our values were intact not a proselytized value system as today is being presented as the plot of the movie we are not in, but have been forced to buy the tickets to.
Dick Cheney has always been the target of the party. His straight forward style of bringing out the truth is challenging, especially to the vague brought brush of the current administration. Thinking that Vice President Cheney should go away is ridicules. His input is welcome for he has privy to the antics from the underside of Washington and there tricks of mirth.

The Bush administration has nothing to apologize for. The after action of any war is full of should haves and could haves but the reality is your freedom is presently based from the clear thinking of Dick Cheney and George Bush. They do not have to apologize to the American public. Barack Obama owes us big time for his eroding our image around the world with his lack of strategic action and throwing us under the bus overseas. I do not care what Euro opinion of our goals in this country are but I do feel that we should be respected.
We were there for them in WW1, WW2 and Korea. The financial dept’s that is being extracted from this country is so pork filled for the special interests groups that BHO needs to re look at who he is serving. Understand it is not the union party’s who bought his vote or the special interest groups who are need to get off the bus that is running us over. Our country is being position with entitlements and dependency to make us look the part of the victim. We are not this way and should not put up with an administration that spends us in to poverty.

Way to go Mr. Cheney!
I am so happy that there is a Republican with enough grit and guts to speak out against the lies and hypocrisy of the demagogues. I say,"thank you, Mr.Cheney. Keep up the great work you are doing!"

To First
You call pro-lifers hypocrites because they believe in War, etc. If you've ever read a bible you'd know there is a difference between defending oneself, or country (Romans 13 - Gov. allowed to exist by God - punishment- even death penalty allowed) Murder (abortions would fall into this category) are condemned.
Also FYI nobody wants to cut funding for education but we'd love to eliminate the teacher's union and all its corruption. Then the money would go for an actual education instead of funding radicals and goofballs who claim to be teachers.
And why should a company be forced to pay "minimum wage". You don't like a wage go somewhere else. Raising M.W. ALWAYS increases cost of living. DUH! If you have to pay more you are going to charge more for your product.

Proof?
Several on here have written about EIT saving thousands of American lives. Of course, this being Townhall, none of these people has cited any proof that this is true. Certainly the Director of National Intelligence does not believe this is true. People like Soufan and Duelfer, who were actually there interrogating people have said that this is not true and that one of the prisoners who had been giving useful information before stopped talking once the waterboarding started while another gave out false ionformation. They also said that the main purpose of the waterboarding was to find a link between Saddam and al-Qaeda. So please tell me how many people could possibly have been saved by looking for a link that was never there?

Now I'm shocked to see that righties are questioning Petraeus, since he came out and said that waterboarding was torture and served no benefit. He was supposedly the infallible guy that no one dare disagree with. What happened? It must just be that you will cling to Rush and Sean's opinions no matter who disagrees or what evidence is provided.

And Brent, you and others on this board constantly harped on Dems for being critical of Bush, even equating them to traitors. But now that Cheney does the same thing, and lies every step of the way, he is a hero. Hypocrisy certainly cuts both ways, no?

Mac
Of course Cheney is going to say it worked because he authorized it! So you would take his word over interrogators like Soufan who was there doing the interrogations and said that it absolutely did not work? If you are going to be a blind loyalist, just admit to it. It will save us all a lot of time. And you have the nerve to talk to others about using empirical thought.

Waterboarding is torture!!! But even if you do not agree with that, as I'm sure you never will, what about the estimates of around 100 prisoners dying during interrogation. I guess there was no torture going on there either, right?

By the way, look around a little bit and you will find several connections between the higher-ups at Abu Ghraib and at Gitmo. Many people involved in the Abu Ghraib events were then transferred to Gitmo. "A few bad apples" get punished while the people responsible go unpunished. Ain't that great!

Cheney's speech
Not only cheers to Cheney Mr.Bozell but, THREE cheers to Cheney. His words warm my heart and celebrate my sense of logic. When are the rest of the Republicans going to get out there and duke it out with the weenies? This pathetic administration is on the ropes. People of candor and intelligence have got to continue pummeling the administration, daily. Infuriate the press, embarrass Obama, show the country that the Emperor has no clothes!
And it can all be done on the merits of the terrible performance offered by this left wing Democratic party. No need to get personal.

re: badgerboy
I'd be interested in seeing specific, referenced instances where Democrats have been "equat[ed] to traitors" for being critical of Bush.

That said, I'm still not convinced that waterboarding is the best, most efficient method of interrogation. Surely, this being the year 2009, there are some drug cocktails that could more effectively coerce information from terrorists?

I do find it interesting that the one person speaking on this who actually has been waterboarded was against the practice.

Thank You!
God Bless Dick Cheney! May he hammer this administration, for the entire time they are in power!

Yuh didn't listen to the video did yuh
Moore?

Yuh gotta listen to know what the interrogator said Mac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYov5o5_2s

When you know the facts, then you can know what information to consider.

You claim the lead interrogator, with 14 years experience, conducting more than 300 and supervising more than a 1000 in order to find Zarkawi is a low level agent?

You obviously believe lies day in and day out.


Cheney lies, people soldiers die.
While Cheney blames our soldiers for Abu Graib and staunchly believes EIT [torture] saved Americans, facts show otherwise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYov5o5_2s

So, you patriots like to back the man who runs his mouth off at soldiers, while lying to you that he's kept you safe?


"Cheney lies, people soldiers die
and other lies of the Left"-is that a new movie with Tom Cruise? These Leftist loons keep chanting " facts show otherwise" but their only sources seem to be Bill Maher and "everybody knows".

But as with their NanoGoddess Nancy Pelosi they will keep changing the script until the next big story hits. Gee, hating Liberals is more than a job-it is an adventure! Thank you Mr. Bozell.

Rog
Where are your facts then? Or haven't you gotten them this morning from Rush yet?

Cheers to Cheney!
What a great speech! I just wish he or McCain or somebody had given just as powerful a speech as Cheney did. And he did it without a teleprompter, imagine!

Kudos to "DARTH" Cheney!!
I have never been a Fan of Dick Cheney primarily because I don't care much for Politicians of any Stripe..But I truly enjoyed his lamblasting the Current bunch of Idiots!!
At the AF Academy in "the Springs" one of the Artistic Presentations in the Halls is entitled *BIG BRASS ONES* It's not unusual to hear folks ask "One what?" Suffice it to say: Mr Cheney Has BIG BRASS ONES!! Press On Mr VP!!
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