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Thursday, February 19, 2009
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
We're Not All Socialists
by Brent Bozell
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As the Democrat-dominated House and Senate thoughtfully passed judgment on a 1,100-page "stimulus" bill that Sen. Frank Lautenberg admitted no one would read before the vote, the media elite were positively giddy. On the "NewsHour" on PBS, liberal analyst Mark Shields proclaimed, "I think it's a monstrous success" for President Obama. That's correct, with an emphasis on "monstrous."

Our news media have insisted on playing the White House soundtrack on this battle, to wit: The "stimulus" is vitally necessary, and by opposing it, Republicans are risking being flattened by the Great Obama Steamroller. A partisan victory is OK, but they'd much rather the vote for Obama's plans be unanimous.

Why, as Newsweek's cover proclaimed, "We're All Socialists Now." Inside, Newsweek's uber-elitist editor Jon Meacham scolded Sean Hannity and Rep. Mike Pence for stooping to call this Congressional pork-wagon "the European Socialist Act of 2009." Using the S-word in a negative context threatens to doom America to a "fractious and unedifying debate."

Meacham wasn't claiming Hannity and Pence were incorrect. It's that they use this word as a bad thing when they should be celebrating. He insists America's skiing down the socialist slope "toward a modern European state." Moreover, Newsweek asserted the socialism started last fall under President Bush, therefore the GOP should accept it.

The loyal opposition is not supposed to oppose as state power grows out of control. To be truly loyal, the opposition is expected to disappear.

Another sign came on "The Early Show" on CBS. Co-host Maggie Rodriguez was interrogating Republican House leader Eric Cantor about the failure to line up with the socialist Obama Corps: "But, Congressman, it's clear that Americans are begging for help with foreclosures," she pleaded. "Corporations are begging for bailouts. Can the Republican Party accept that there are situations when large-scale government intervention is necessary?"

Cantor was attempting to explain that this monstrous "stimulus" was being pushed through without any Republican input, with virtually no public comment, in a humongous bill no one had even read. But all Rodriguez could do was protest these points as divisive: "But everyone [in the House GOP] opposed it. Why? Where's the bipartisanship?"

The media's drive for full-fledged socialism took a really wild turn on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos." The former Clinton spokesman actually pressed ultraliberal Maxine Waters from the left, waving around an article by an economist named Nouriel Roubini insisting that we need to nationalize the banks: "Mr. Roubini and others say we're all Swedes now, that we should just do what they did when they faced their crisis. They nationalized the banks and they came out of it OK." We're now not only socialists, we're Swedish socialists.

A few days earlier, Obama head-faked on the we're-all-Europeans line, insisting America's not yet Sweden, when ABC's Terry Moran urged, "Why not just nationalize the banks?" For her part, Congresswoman Waters insisted the drive toward socialism is being slowed by people who are behind the curve: "George, as you know, the word 'nationalization' scares the hell out of people. And so the debate has been opened up now, and that's good."

Once the "stimulus" bill passed, ABC helpfully aired pictures from a photo album the White House issued to mark Obama's skillful leadership moves. Subbing as anchor of ABC's evening newscast, Diane Sawyer praised Obama for serving cookies to Republicans: "I want to show everybody at home, because there is the president, it's Super Bowl night, and he's serving cookies to congressional leadership in the White House screening room." On cue, George Stephanopoulos picked up the syrupy narration: "These are just remarkable, Diane. We've never really seen anything like this before in real time."

If ABC and George Stephanopoulos were interested in dispelling the notion that George is taking dictation from his daily buddy-buddy phone calls with Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, it's not showing up on the air. When you can glorify Obama for offering Republicans a cookie, and suggest it's unprecedented, as if no previous president, Republican or Democrat, had ever tried to entertain the opposing party, viewers cannot trust you as a careful keeper of the historical record. They can only suspect that you're going to offer them a poorly disguised campaign commercial.

A crucial part of Obama's "monstrous" success in ramming this partisan gravy train through Congress is a committed throng of Kool-Aid drinkers in the press who will greet every new socialist legislative ploy as a work of genius worthy of a Nobel Prize in economics.

The only ones Obama couldn't count on here were the obstreperous people who dared to insist they were not socialists and those cantankerous trouble-makers who insisted that maybe Congress should read a bill before it passes -- especially when it's the single largest expansion of government control in the history of the Republic.

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Clarification
I wrote:
"Socialism did not take root here because (if you believe the authors) the US is NOT a democracy."

If you believe the authors premise that Socialism takes root wherever democracy takes root.

The US is a Constitutionally LIMITED Republic. In particular the Constitution limits what powers we the people (even a majority) can give to our government.

These Constitutional limits are worthless if those we hire to represent us constantly ignore them.

Definitions - democratic socialism
Dr Douglas writes:
"Educate yourselves. Learn about what socialism really consists of. Learn about the differences between liberalism, social democracy, democratic socialism, and socialism."

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http://faculty.maxwell.syr.edu/merupert/Research/far-right/ dem_soc.htm
Democratic Socialists believe that the economy and society should be run democratically - to meet the needs of the whole community, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be transformed to through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the decisions that affect our lives.
Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well- everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the U.S. With this booklet, we hope to answer some of your questions about socialism.
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Note the authors make a common mistake (possibly deliberately) about the United States. Socialism did not take root here because (if you believe the authors) the US is NOT a democracy.

A democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner.

Democratic Socialists believe that the economy and society should be run democratically. The only way for an economy to be run democratically is to have the economy owned by the government. Since the definition of socialism is government owned production and distribution of everything. Democratic socialism IS socialism (for some definition of "is". thank you Mr Clinton.)

Definitions - social democracy
Dr Douglas writes:
"Educate yourselves. Learn about what socialism really consists of. Learn about the differences between liberalism, social democracy, democratic socialism, and socialism."

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social%20democrac y
social democracy
Function:
noun
Date:
1850
1 : a political movement advocating a gradual and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism by democratic means
2 : a democratic welfare state that incorporates both capitalist and socialist practices

definitions - Liberalism
Dr Douglas writes:
"Educate yourselves. Learn about what socialism really consists of. Learn about the differences between liberalism, social democracy, democratic socialism, and socialism."


Unwise suggestion. We might notice that Democrats are not even CLOSE to liberal.

Note in particular 2b
individual freedom from restraint
usually based on free competition
the self-regulating market
and the gold standard

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism
lib·er·al·ism Listen to the pronunciation of liberalism
Pronunciation:
\'li-b(?-)r?-?li-z?m\
Function:
noun
Date:
1819

1: the quality or state of being liberal

2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard
c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party


Definition of Socialism
Bill writes:
"Anytime taxpayer money is used to provide services for individuals it could be considered "socialism." "


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

" so·cial·ism Listen to the pronunciation of socialism
Pronunciation:
\'so-sh?-?li-z?m\
Function:
noun
Date:
1837

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done"
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Not one matches your definition.

It was Newsweek that proclaimed us all Socialist not Brent.



Bill..reply #158...
Surely you have plan to eventually move to a more socialistic country like Cuba,,,and others if it things don't work out with Obama's DRIVE TO SOCIALISM in America...let us know where you move too and how it's going!

All not Socialists...Thanks! Brent B.
Why is it that people, wherever they reside, can't see the differences between socialistic countries like Great Britain, Germany, France, plus many more...the down trodden communistic counties such as Cuba, North Korea, West Germany {look at them now} and of course the USSR, and the United States? What does it take? Too many of the above can't even protect their citizens from outside forces, let alone inside forces!! Socialism will only give America one hopeful thing: A downhill economic slide that will force others to stay in their own country and not seek the advantages America has to offer, because those advantages will be lost under socialistic system in the future as they been lost in the past for the other countries; admittedly no country is purely capitalistic, but we are certainly way ahead of the rest in every aspect and will stay that way without any more socialism as a main guide, or any guide...let the markets be free and the people are too!!

HOORAY FOR SOCIALISM
I see where the Republican National Committee has sent out their "talking points" and it is to call everything in the Obama stimulus plan "socialism." Nothing could be bigger joke and only people with a room temperature IQ would fall for this tactic.
Anytime taxpayer money is used to provide services for indivduals it could be considered "socialism."
So cops, firefighter, city workers,government employees and politicians are working under a "socialism" system because their pay and health benefits are paid for by tax payers.
Nothing could be more ludicrous than to have Brent Bozell writing an article about "socialism" when he doesn't even realize he has been living under "socialism" for years and years.

And while I'm at it,I will once again explain to all you what are "socialism" programs and how they originated.

If you are opposed to any of them, I have a simple solution. Refuse SS help. Refuse Medicare help and if you are a veteran refuse VA help.

Now wasn't that easy.

However, I'm sure you right wingers still don't get it. Social Security, Medicare and the Veterans Administration were STARTED by Democrats. I'm not opposed to them, but if you are you should refuse your SS check if you are getting one and God forbid don't use Medicare if you are run over by a truck and end up in the hospital where it could cost you close to a million dollars before they release you. As for veterans, I'm a veteran and was happy the DEMOCRATS came up with GI Bill so I could go to college and receive health benefits.

NONE OF THESE PROGRAMS WOULD BE AROUND IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE DEMOCRATS. DO YOU GET THAT NOW?

As for me, I'm covering the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and reporting them on my blog: CORKSPHERE: http://corksphere.blogspot.com

Douglas and his cognitive dissonance
uber-capitalism.

A descriptor used by Douglas. He demeans those he considers do not understand or know what socialism really is.

Then he uses the phrase uber capitalism. This phrase is commonplace in far left socialism circles where Karl Marx, Engels, and Stalin are all heroes.

Does this man have anything more than third grade playground hyperbole? Is this man capable of presenting an opinion without a academic Marxist slant?

Alinsky would be so proud of Douglas. Another social parasite trying to establish his intellectual supremacy in acadamia.

Dr. Dooggee
Why don't you explain it to us poor unwashed rednecks out here in fly over country. We cain't get enough of your intelligent post.

Reply to Dr. Douglas
You are the one that should be educated.

Any government system that subjugates the individual to the state is morally bankrupt. Call it democratic socialism, social democracy, socialism, or facism they are all of the same stripe dressed up with socially acceptable names for the uneducated masses of which you are one.

All these isms come under the umbrella of collectivism. Unfortunately liberalism, as it has evolved today, is nothing more than a palitable term for socialism.

Modern liberals claim to be 'for the people' while demanding larger and larger government powers. Its a zero sum game - the more power that is given over to the state the less power is available to the 'people'.

Check your premises.......if you can.



Thanks Lon, for the explanation...
I've heard of Hannity, but that's about it. I don't know anything about the approach.

I appreciate your coherent response (as opposed to others who stomped away) to my question. I want to think about your reply a bit, and I would like to share my thoughts on some of your comments.

Because of your explanation, I understand a bit better now why people see Socialism in varying degrees as beneficial. I have to admit that I can't fully agree, but I do appreciate the courteous tone in your reply. Too many people get caught up in viciousness on these sites for my taste. I don't like dealing with someone who isn't mature enough to agree to disagree, so your response was refreshing.

I wish you a good evening, or morning if you happen to read this tomorrow.

Scott

Another dishonest article

Bozell outdoes himself in this one. Sorry, regardless of what Newsweek is pushing, the country is not remotely close to going socialist.

Educate yourselves. Learn about what socialism really consists of. Learn about the differences between liberalism, social democracy, democratic socialism, and socialism.

Don't be moronic like Bozell and clump these all together.

In addition, accept the fact that the uber-capitalistic policies of Reagan-Bush have failed.

Dick
The district/state of any house member and/or senator who voted against the stimulus should not receive any $$. No new jobs should go to such districts either. After all, I am sure an unemployed Rethuglican would rather remain unemployed than have a socialist job.
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If you check the unemployment numbers, you'll see that the forced union states will soak up all the stimuli money. But you are right about one thing, I'd rather eat dirt than take a handout from a democrat. But I won't have to consume any soil, because unlike sissy libs I take care of myself.

Dick
The district/state of any house member and/or senator who voted against the stimulus should not receive any $$. No new jobs should go to such districts either. After all, I am sure an unemployed Rethuglican would rather remain unemployed than have a socialist job.
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If you look at the unemployment numbers, you'll see that the forced union states will soak up all of the stimulus money anyway.

But you are right about one thing, I would rather eat dirt than owe a democrat.

Your $$$ For His Billions!

Billionaire Paul Allen is a Microsoft cofounder, the owner of the NFL’s Seattle Seahawks and the owner of the NBA’s Portland Trailblazers.

And, thanks to the stimulus bill President Obama signed this week, he’s also about to be as much as a billion dollars richer.

Here’s how:

Allen owns a majority stake in cable provider Charter Communications.

Charter Communications this month said it would reduce its debt load by $8 billion and enter Chapter 11.

Normally, partners at a firm like Charter Communications would have to pay taxes on the amount of debt forgiven in this process, which is, in a sense a one-time income windfall. Tax law calls it a “deemed distribution.”

But under the new bill, companies like Charter Communications will be able to avoid paying taxes on forgiven debt until 2014. Even then, Paul will have until 2018 to pay it completely off.

Paul owns about half of Charter, so his share of the Charter Commuincations’ $8 billion debt forgiveness is around $4 billion. At a tax rate of 25%, Allen could avoid paying as much as $1 billion in taxes until 2014, tax expert Robert Willens told the WSJ.

For what it’s worth, one of Paul’s representatives told the WSJ the billionaire didn’t lobby for the windfall. It just fell into his lap, lucky dog.


OK, Stimu-siders, how do feel about that economic justice?

Richard, Drawn Shooting!

No problem
The district/state of any house member and/or senator who voted against the stimulus should not receive any $$. No new jobs should go to such districts either. After all, I am sure an unemployed Rethuglican would rather remain unemployed than have a socialist job.

THIS FISCALLY-INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE INDEPENDENT FORMER-REPUBLICAN WOULD RATHER BE UNEMPLOYED THAN HAVE A SOCIALIST JOB.

I'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS TO SPEND-A-PALOOZAS. I LIVE IN NOLA AND WATCHED 30% OF EVERY DIME RECEIVED FROM THE FEDS. AFTER KATRINA WIND UP IN THE POCKETS OF POLITICIANS, THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR FRIENDS, AND THEIR CRONIES.

YOUR TODAY IS MY CITY'S YESTERDAY. WELCOME TO THE BANANA REPUBLIC OF AMERICA.

Great Post, Vicki
Tom
Indiana

brent
what a nicely concise way of summarizing this whole mess.

Thugs?
Richard writes:
"The district/state of any house member and/or senator who voted against the stimulus should not receive any $$. No new jobs should go to such districts either. After all, I am sure an unemployed Rethuglican would rather remain unemployed than have a socialist job."


So long as you remember that every taxpayer in that district or state is exempt from paying any of the tax to pay for the stimulus. Let those that want the stimulus pay for the stimulus.

And he thinks to call Republicans thugs?

From EU With NO Love
Well, to conclude by reprising:

4Q08 GDP

U.S. -3.8%
Germany -8.4%

That pretty much summarizes things.

Of course, the final scary part is that the last time things went this way “over there,” the ultimate “disaster socialists” came to power in both Germany and Russia. Let’s not go there…. AND 1/3 OF EUROPEANS BLAME "THE JEWS"!

From RedState With Love IV
So we find that the European Central Bank has some of the functions of a central bank, but not all of them - because a sizable number of the “EU” countries don’t use its currency. Even among the Euro countries, national monetary and financial authorities still are in charge to a surprising degree.

What we’re seeing now is a great deal of confusion. Never mind a debate on what possibly should be done - no one can figure out who should have what authority to do any particular thing.

One senses that this will not end well. One casualty may be the Euro itself. There has already been a great deal of popular pressure in both Germany and Italy (at least) to abandon the unified currency as antithetical to immediate national interests.

And that leads us into the final topic.

3) Political implications and the bleatings of the “disaster socialists”

One of the most irksome features of the present financial crisis is the re-emergence of what our Australian friend Tim Blair calls “disaster socialists.” Amazingly, these people have been stewing for nearly three decades, waiting for a chance to leap out of the underbrush and proclaim that all of our present problems are the fault of Ronald Reagan, Milton Friedman, and the “radical right-wing agenda.”

Fortunately, most of the people who indulge in that kind of claptrap are also die-hard europhiles - and so we can readily compare our situation with that of “Europe” to see how that’s all working out.

Three decades ago, the United States and (western) Europe were basically on the same economic page. However, at that point, we chose a different path from the 1970s - while they chose to basically stay in the 1970s.

The line we’re being pitched by the disaster socialists is that they had it right all along, “policy” was right back in the 1970s, and everything since then has been a mirage.

Well, western Europe did just that - they stood pat with a 1970s system.

So how’s that working out?

No problem
The district/state of any house member and/or senator who voted against the stimulus should not receive any $$. No new jobs should go to such districts either. After all, I am sure an unemployed Rethuglican would rather remain unemployed than have a socialist job.

From RedState With Love IV
But, money is the ultimate herd animal - and when some of it starts to go in a particular direction, soon a vast thundering herd stampedes in the same direction. Perhaps a better metaphor would be a bee that returns to the hive with its feet covered in pollen; soon, that bee leads the whole swarm back out to the source of the newly-discovered pollen.

When money stampedes, cause leads to effect - and vice-versa. So what was a genuine good-opportunity story in eastern Europe quickly blossomed way beyond the underlying rationale. By now, that story should sound familiar.

How itchy was that itchy money? Well, remember that Der Spiegel cover cited above? While Der Spiegel was quick to crow over the exposure of American financial institutions to dodgy financial instruments, what they failed to realize was that western European financial institutions were even more exposed to them. That itchy European money was a big, big buyer of things like all those now-infamous mortgage-backed securities (MBS).

So, faced with this sudden catastrophe, how did the European financial regulatory system respond? That leads on to the next topic.

2) The sudden realization that the “European financial regulatory system” is in fact a chaotic and contradictory mess.

The word “Europe” gets thrown around a lot; however, if you have dealings with (and travels to) Europe, you quickly find that Europe perhaps should be renamed “Hodge-Podge Lodge.” Despite the existence of the “EU,” there is more chaos than sanity.

Now, the EU-Schengen part includes all EU countries except (for now) Romania and Bulgaria - so, less insanity.

From RedState With Love III
1) The exposure of western European banks to eastern European debt.

This is a problem that - like much of this crisis - just snuck up on us. The degree of exposure of western European financial institutions to “eastern” - the eastern EU countries, Ukraine, and Russia - debt that may now be beyond hope of repayment is truly mind-boggling.

There’s not much to add to those (in terms of details), so I won’t.

But we can ask - How did the hole get that big?

Well, let’s go back to the top. You know all that economic stagnation in western Europe? If you were managing money in western Europe any time over the past 10 or 15 years, you could just look out the window and see that western Europe was a lousy place to invest - so naturally you would start looking further afield. At the same time, just a short distance away were the eastern European “tiger” economies - there, there were low taxes, a congenial investment environment, and rapid (often double-digit) economic growth. If you were going to make investments and/or loans, that was clearly the place to do it.

There’s a phrase of my own that I apply to situations like this - “itchy money.” That’s money that is sitting somewhere getting a poor return, and which is itching to get itself re-deployed to better pastures. We had something like this in the U.S. when the Federal Reserve created way too much liquidity during the middle part of the decade - there was just a lot of money sitting around looking for something to do.

From RedState With Love II
So, what happened when our banking crisis blew up in late September of last year?

During the early part of October, I found myself relaxing in one of the Senator (Gold Flyer) lounges at the Frankfurt Airport while on my way to Tallinn. Sitting on a rack was the latest (at the time) issue of the reflexively-leftist German news magazine Der Spiegel. The cover graphic featured a bald eagle slipping on a patch of ice, with a headline (in German) that translated as something like “The End of American Hubris.”

Nice try. But before that issue could even settle on news stands, the EUniks found out to their horror that their own banks were in even deeper trouble. Between the globalization of dodgy financial instruments (something the euros dove into full-tilt) and the size of their own banks, Europe was in an even deeper financial hole than was the U.S.

This is a situation that could be discussed for pages and pages. But for the here-and-now, we’ll concentrate on three things:

1) A unique circumstance that threatens to turn into a wildfire that will ravage Europe in ways that are beyond scary;
2) The exposure of the tragically ridiculous nature of the present financial regulatory situation in Europe;
3) Some political implications - on both sides of the Atlantic.

From RedState With Love
This is going to have stunning financial and political implications.

But before we try to sort through those complexities, just ponder the following numbers.

In the fourth quarter of 2008, our GDP contracted by 3.8% - a rare and abysmal result.

During the same period, Germany’s GDP contracted by 8.4%.


It’s difficult not to feel a certain degree of shameful-joy at the problems of old Europe - largely because of the terminal obnoxiousness of the EUniks about how they absolutely, positively have it all right, and “don’t bother us” with real economic performance numbers.

After a couple of decades of watching old Europe’s sclerosis - the economic stagnation, the structural double-digit unemployment, the absurd levels of taxation, the flight of talent to other jurisdictions, the disappearance of any military competence, and, oh yeah, the complete demographic collapse - you’d think the EUniks would get a clue. No such luck. “Just you wait. We’ve got it right. We’ll be vindicated.”




Plan?
JMO51 writes:
"And the Republican Plan was?"

Considerably shorter then the 1,100 page plan the Democrats voted on.

Since Democrats claimed they did not read the plan before voting on it, what was the plan?

The Flags are a Symbol and Reminder
Denise
Location: LA
Reply # 1
Date: Feb 19, 2009 - 6:51 PM EST Marine...

What's with all of the American flags surrounding Obama now when he couldn't bother to wear a flag pin?
_____________________________________________

All the American flags that are propped up behind Obama are symbols he is using to show the Socialists, Islamists, and other enemies of America & radicals both here and around the world that they need not fear America anymore...

...he has conquered the "Great Satan" and will systematically subvert and dismantle freedoms and pride Americans take in their Constitution, and their feelings of uniqueness in the world.

His use of the flag is meant to send the mental and psychological message of his being in control; and coupled with his swift action in ordering 1. the closing of Guantanamo 2. addressing the Islamist nation-extending the hand of solidarity with their cause, and 3. using the heavy stroke of a pen to unravel our system of capitalism, while empowering subversive elements to attack our social structure, are all ACTS OF WAR against America...

...and meant as a twisted form of "diplomacy" designed to assuage the grievances of the enemies of America...

The flags are a symbol and a reminder to our enemies that there is no longer a reason to hate us...

...we have been tamed by the "messiah."

He is in charge and the demolition and dismantling of America is well under way.

Denise
"Obama is LOVED by Socialists and Communists the world-over."

It's funny you mention that. I heard today that Vladimir Putin of Russia told Obama that Socialism is not the way. You know our country is changing for the worse when Russia is telling us that we are headed the wrong way!

Plus Putin has experience in a failed society. He lived during the USSR and it's fall.

If Putin can see Obama's policies are failures, why can't the democrats and the traitors on the Republican side who sold themselves out?

Marine...
Hitler LOVED Germany, but didn't concern himself with the fact that Germans were starving.

Obama is LOVED by Socialists and Communists the world-over.

What's with all of the American flags surrounding Obama now when he couldn't bother to wear a flag pin?

Ovomit & Hitler gave great speeches, but their goobermints were both SNAFU.

Understanding the "Stimulus" Bill,Part 2
The student didn't think the economics professor was serious, but figured that he would find out the real story soon enough.

However, after the 6th trip between the shallow end and the deep end, the
student began to become worried that his economics professor had gone mad. The student finally replied, "All we're doing is wasting valuable time and effort on unproductive pursuits. Even worse, when this process is all over, everything will be at the same level it was before, so all you'll really have accomplished is the destruction of what could have been truly productive action!"

The professor put down his bucket and replied with a smile, "Congratulations. You now understand the stimulus bill."

Understanding te "Stimulus" Bill, Part 1
Shortly after class, an economics student approaches his economics professor and says, "I don't understand this stimulus bill. Can you explain it to me?"

The professor replied, "I don't have any time to explain it at my office, but
if you come over to my house on Saturday and help me with my weekend project, I'll be glad to explain it to you." The student agreed.

At the agreed-upon time, the student showed up at the professor's house. The professor stated that the weekend project involved his backyard pool.

They both went out back to the pool, and the professor handed the student a bucket. Demonstrating with his own bucket, the professor said, "First, go over to the deep end, and fill your bucket with as much water as you can." The student did as he was instructed.

The professor then continued, "Follow me over to the shallow end, and then
dump all the water from your bucket into it." The student was naturally
confused, but did as he was told.

The professor then explained they were going to do this many more times, and began walking back to the deep end of the pool.

The confused student asked, "Excuse me, but why are we doing this?"

The professor matter-of-factly stated that he was trying to make the shallow end much deeper.

The Difference b/tween Hitler and Obama

Hitler, as misguided as he was, at least, loved the German people and Germany...his country.

Barack Hussein Obama has never pretended to love America or Americans...and is on record stating that he FUNDAMENTALLY disagrees with the Constitution, and its restraints on government intervention...the very BASIS of a guarantee of FREEDOM and LIBERTY and private ownership of wealth.

Barack Hussein Obama in his own words:


“… the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical.

“It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.

Says what the states can't do to you.

Says what the federal government can't do to you,

but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.”
______________________________________________

Let there be no doubt.

Barack Hussein Obama, with the help of the Democrat Party & MSM, is wasting no time in trying to circumvent and undermine the Constitution of the United States of America.

Hitler Gave Great Speeches, Too! II

Miller said he had been an Obama supporter "because of his speeches," but after debating the issues in this class and looking more into Obama's policies, his vote was swayed toward McCain.

He showed a video on his camera he had just taken of the president's minutelong motorcade . Miller had also spent a couple of hours in front of the school, hanging out and watching the protesters, which included at least one of his students.

"Even though I don't support him, I think it's cool he's here," said Miller, 18. "I just don't believe all the things he's telling us. His goal is just too big and broad."

Miller wanted to hear more about the costs and guidelines the stimulus bill entails.

Sr. Katelyn Meyer, who also leans more toward being a Republican, said Obama's plan sounds good, "but it's easier said than done."

The students also questioned why Obama chose their school for his speech since he wasn't talking about education and wondered how much money the district spent on beautifying the campus while district positions and services are being cut.

New sod was laid in front of the school Tuesday for O's visit, and Daudfar said, "The joke at the school is they're going to take it away when he (Obama) leaves."

AP government teacher Jeff Sherrer said his students "feel very strongly about the issues, maybe more than the general population." He thought at least one of his students was outside protesting, and he had planned to take his students outside as a class project to show them what was going on but didn't get the chance.

"These kinds of kids really get into it," Sherrer said. "During the election we had lots of debates on the issues."

Hitler Gave Great Speeches, Too! - I

A Dobson H.S. AP-gov. class with strong opinions about Obama watched the his speech Wed. on a small, grainy TV in the corner of their classroom.

Some attentively watched the speech, giving questioning looks and comments, shaking their heads and laughing at some of Obama's words.

O's gym events were shown simultaneously in rooms throughout the Mesa school. The students in the AP class were hopeful things will work out but questioned whether Obama's plan would actually work to dig the country out of its economic woes. They also expected a longer speech.

Sr. Daudfar took some notes during the speech and was among the most vocally opposed to Obama's words.

At one point, when he talked about the costs of his stimulus plan, Srs. Albach and Daudfar looked at each other and said, "uh-oh."

"Overall, I think it's a good idea, but he's not addressing the issues of the economic crisis," said Daudfar. "The spending bill he just passed is just progressing the Democratic agenda rather than addressing the economic issues in the country."

Daudfar thinks Obama's plan is backward and deals with the "less important stuff" first. "Bailing out businesses" and "providing better regulatory systems for giving out money to businesses" should have been first, he said.

"If businesses can't afford to hire people, then people won't be able to work and pay off their mortgages," he said. "It's kind of like putting money into20a funnel." Albach, who is also a Rep., said Obama's plan sounds good but questioned how Obama can want to rely on "people's responsibility" when that is "what got us in this economic crisis in the first place."

"This puts us more into debt," said Albach, 18. "It's a horrible situation we're in."

Sr. Miller wore a shirt with the words, "Hitler gave great speeches, too" above a picture of Obama.

Enemies of the Constitution Govern It 4

If I am given the choice, as I obviously am now, to support the President or the Constitution of the United States of America--the choice is a clear one for me.

I chose to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign AND domestic...

...even if that means not supporting a President who, although taking the same oath, considers the Constitution a flawed document.

How can we expect Barack Hussein Obama to "protect or defend" a Constitution whose principles he fundamentally disagrees with?

His [and the Socialist-Democrat Party's] redistribution of wealth package is all the evidence I need to convince me that he [and the Democrat Party which is lined up to give him free reign] has no intention of doing either.
As far as I’m concerned, if he were a citizen, he would be a traitor.

The views John Kerry shared on his opposition to a tax cut/tax holiday type of solution to the so-called "economic crisis" facing OUR free-market businesses and the citizens who created and maintain them; that he and the other Democrat Party hacks in Washington D.C. are the ones who know best how to invest OUR hard-earned money, is a view shared by Barack Hussein Obama, himself.

The very nincompoops who claimed that their "civil liberties" were being taken away by Bush/Cheney tapping foreign cellphone transmissins, in their attempts to combat Islamic jihadist's designs on destroying our nation from within, voted upon themselves and us all, a regime of Socialist dictatorship under a Democrat Party which would take our earnings to spend as they wish, and holds nothing but disdain for the very Constitution that gives them that guarantees that liberty.

Enemies of the Constitution Govern It 3

In the 2001 interview, Obama said:

“… the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical.
Barack Hussein Obama on the Constitution, continued:
“It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. “

Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.”

And that hasn't shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change.

In some ways we still suffer from that.”

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=79225
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Enemies of the Constitution Govern It 2

Seven years before Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to Joe the Plumber became a GOP campaign theme, the Democratic presidential candidate said in a radio interview the U.S. has suffered from a fundamentally flawed Constitution that does not mandate or allow for redistribution of wealth.

In a newly unearthed tape, Obama is heard telling Chicago's public station WBEZ-FM in 2001 that "redistributive change" is needed, pointing to what he regarded as a failure of the U.S. Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren in its rulings on civil rights issues in the 1960s.

The Warren court, he said, failed to "break free from the essential constraints" in the U.S. Constitution and launch a major redistribution of wealth.

But Obama, then an Illinois state lawmaker, said the legislative branch of government, rather than the courts, probably was the ideal avenue for accomplishing that goal.

Enemies of the Constitution Govern It 1

If all the Obamamaniacs out there didn't know what a Party led by the likes of Harry "The War is lost" Reid, Nancy "I'm trying to save the planet" Pelosi, and Barack "We need to spread the wealth around" Obama thinks about your "freedom of choice", Democrat hot-shot Senator John Kerry's comments:
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John Kerry: You Know What's the Problem With Stimulus Tax Cuts? All That Freedom.

His argument against tax cuts for Americans during these hard economic times was illuminating:

"I've supported many tax cuts over the years, and there are tax cuts in this proposal. But a tax cut is non-targeted.

If you put a tax cut into the hands of a business or family, there's no guarantee that they're going to invest that or invest it in America.

They're free to go invest anywhere that they want if they choose to invest."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/02/john_ke rry_you_know_whats_the.asp
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There you have it...

John Kerry's reason for supporting government intervention in private markets.

Kerry’s opinion is in lock-step with the fundamental anti-Constitutional one of His Husseiness, Barack Obama. Obamamaniacs, running around and chanting, “Yes we can” with a thrill running up their legs, were unaffected when their “messiah” described the Constitution [which guarantees our freedoms and is the basis of ALL our laws] as a flawed, negative document.

By The Way
My post assumes Zapster is correct in what he i saying, which may or may not be true. I don't care enough to look it up. The Fed is nothing but an inflation machine. The model on which it was based, the mid-late 19th century "National Banking" model was nothing but an inflation machine. US central banking has always been nothing but a constant market for government debt and source of cheap money.

That is why, despite his early opinions strongly in favor of gold, I have a great deal of distaste for Greenspan. He wasn't a deluded true believer, he knew he was making a deal with the devil, yet did it anyway.

Of course, to most on the left, the Fed cannot be the cause of the problem. Nor could the CRA/Freddie/Fannie. I has to be "Wall Street greed" or "predatory lending" or maybe somehow Bush did it...

Zapster
Nice of Greenspan to blame Wall Street since his inflation as head of the Fed created the problem (along with CRA, Freddie and Fannie). Nic eof him to deflect blame to someone else.

If I had headed up an organization I denounced 30 years ago and called illegitimate I would probably feel guilty, instead Greenspan has sold out and started trying to blame others for the harm he did.

Maybe he thought he could reform the Fed from inside, and he did keep inflation lower than some would have tried to create, but he still did quite a bit to put us in our current hole.

Doubt me? Check the CPI from 88 to present and tell me the Fed is not destroying the value of the dollar. THAT is not "Wall Street Greed" or whatever the excuse du jour is.

Taxes
Does ANYONE know the "real" purposes for collecting taxes? Its to generate revenue so the government can perform its Constitutionally mandated functions and NOT I repeat NOT for the purposes of punishing people for being successful!!!! You libs engage in class warfare and it helps NO ONE. My tax burden has NEVER been lowered or raised because "rich" people paid more or less then me. My tax burden goes up and down based on how much I make. All that telling me about the "rich" does is to try and create animosity and to seek justice against the "greedy" rich. SAD!

reply to: Tammy
You are playing loose with the facts about how well off those in other countries are... our "poor people" would be the envy of much of the world's population... typically they have a nice TV and recorder, access to a car, a private dwelling, A/C, a cell phone, etc. Oh, the disadvantages!

Here is another hoary liberal urban myth--> the Bush tax cuts benefited the rich at the expense of the middle class. Actually, the bottom half of taxpayers pay only 3% of all taxes actually collected-- and their tiny % has DECREASED since the Bush tax cuts per the government's own data... oh those inconvenient facts:

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

Tammy
If a person works harder then me why should they not reap the full benefit of their efforts? And conversely if someone does not work as hard as me how does it become my responsibility to support them?

Tammy
Why do libs such as yourself see it as a virtue to minimize everyone's potential instead of encouragiing everyone to achieve their full potential?

Bill
Your post about dems starting those redistribution programs and the ponzi scheme, oh I mean social security, is probably the single funniest thing I have ever read. Whats most funny is you seem to honestly believe we should be thankful to the dems for coming up with ways of screwiing us out of our money!!! You aerr HILARIOUS! I suggest you take a long nap and when you wake up I bet the paiin in your head will be gone.

Oracle1
If all those other countries get fewer tax dollars than we do, how do they manage to run
all the programs that they do. Do they steal it
out of tourists' pockets, or just what. The
money has to come from somewhere and I know for
a fact that their standard of living is higher
than ours if you take everyone into consideration. That is, their poverty is many
countries virtually does not exist.

What secret do they have they we haven't
caught on to yet. One of the answers might
be is that there is not such a disparity
between the rich and the middle class.

As I am looking at the bottom of this
page I noticed an ad that starts with "Christian
makes $800 a week." Whew. I am so glad that
it isn't a Muslim or a Hindi, or god forbid,
an atheist.

I opened it up because that I felt that as a
Christian I too should have the opportunity to
make big bucks at home.

But what looks like opportunity to some looks
like invasion of privacy to others. Google
is not taking these little surveys to provide
a service to underemployed citizens and thereby help prevent socialism happening in
the U.S. It is trying to learn more about your and my life so that Google can make more
money.

Isn't that always the way it goes. The more
you make, the more you have to have.

zapdoodat
I'm curious.

Are you an equal opportunity dart thrower or just prefer sticking it to Repub's,you seem heavily biased to that side of the aisle.
Where's the balance ???

Bush is gone,the RNC is in shambles,get over it.

The new boy has stumbled badly out of the starting gate.New targets are afoot aren't they?

We are the only major nation...

... which taxes employers/businesses and taxes savings and investment income as we do. So guess what? We inexorably lose jobs! Meanwhile, the government slouches toward Gomorrah/socialism, squandering $ and running up debt that would make FDR blush.

Mexifornia is a harbinger of things to come. As many often complain here on TH, ILLEGAL aliens are taking REAL jobs. Worse still, they are welfare-dependents-in-training, even though THEY HAVE NO RIGHT EVEN TO BE HERE! Miscreant employers conned us with artful lines like, "They are just doing jobs Americans won't do." HOGWASH, amigos! If they are jobs Americans will not do, how come after the raids Americans so readily refill those construction jobs, etc.?

The left and the unions cannot wait to naturalize ILLEGALS and get them voting... then we will get stuck with a permanent welfare state for the liberal "elites" to rule over. The pigs will then be "first among equals" on our Animal Farm/socialized state.

If amnestia passes for 12 million (probably really 20 million already), they will become 100 million (most also arriving ignorant and poor) within 20 years per the highly respected Heritage Foundation... they will turn us into Mexico all too soon.

sdf
Why is it that you libs expose your ignorance like a pervert in a raincoat. Have you no self respect?

Bill
You are the one that doesn't get it. Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare and the like have no Constitutional merit, meaning they are illegal, and any any money taken for such is theft. If you want to say that the Constitution no longer matters, fine, I would say it hasn't "mattered" in a long time, as truthfully most of what is done in the USA has no origin in Constitutionally given powers. What then is the basis of government in the USA? I also ask of you what entitles another human being to the fruit of my labors? Is there a moral imperative? Then what is the basis of this moral imperative?

Recovered Lib
Not just us, as humans. But take any animal in the kingdom. If you start attacking that particular animals' rights, freedoms, and family(children)...that animal will fight back, and usually to the death. It becomes so overwhelmed with rules and space and witnessing its' family being harmed that it has no other choice.(Picture a cornered bobcat)
I've had many a sleepless nights wondering if our good Marines and Amrymen would truly put their lives on the line for this socialist and his thug partners-in-crime? What? Our militarymen are supposed to go overseas and defend our country while an anti-American socialist is in our White House eating our country away like a cancer? God I hope not.

Gunny
I totally agree with you, but as any gunnery sgt would know, the problem is leadership. We are freash out at this point. Republicans in the House are showing a little backbone, but no real leadership has evolved.
I have my plan, but I don't think I can win this war all by myself.
People get ready!!!

Pitchforks and Torches?
How about frogmarching the entire Dim leadership straight to GITMO where they belong at the point of an M16. Tell me Gunny, our men in uniform swear to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. Will they stand with America when it comes time to remove their ill suited CIF?

I just wonder
what WILL it take for the American people to finally wake up, fight like hell and take back their country from these rabid socialists?

At this rate, I honestly believe that there will come a day in America's future when the ONLY way to restore this Republic will be with a full-scale civil war.

How many letters can be written?
How many marches conducted?
How many phone calls placed?
How many demonstrations conducted?
How many emails sent?

When the voice of the people is completely nullified, mocked and scorned by the elitists snobs inhabiting Congress and the White House, the only action available left is to take up arms.

That day IS coming. Be prepared. Purchase a firearm and plenty of ammo.

No, I am not some paranoid, conspiracy freak. Just look at history and you can see the signs...


Taxation without Representation
Obama is a liar and a fool who only cares about getting undeserved credit for turning around an economy which would have turned around anyway. These were recessions more severe than this ones and will be more later. Its good to know that my Senator Lautenburg knew what he voted for. If he did not care why should anyone else. The only reason they didn't bring it to a vote is b/c politicians in general could care nothing for the will of the people. They believe we are fools and aren't we for reshuffling the same few cards while hoping for a better hand

http://www.therightperspective.org/?p=14
there are many other websites that wrote about this, but Vladimir Putin told Obama that socialism doesn't work. He knows growing up in the Soviet Union. He has seen it with his eyes. Too bad it will fall onto deaf ears.

sdf from AL says...
"socialism has been way better - the money is at least being kept in our country". BRILLIANT! Do you folks see what our government education system is doing to these poor kids?

Where are the pitchforks
and torches? I can't believe the villagers (silent majority) are just sitting taking it up the rear when they should have been marching in the streets in opposition to the absurd way congress bulldozed that phoney "stimulus bill" right over the American people. Whatever happens in the future is only going to be fabulous for the Socialists and horrible for the rest of us. If we sit on our butts and allow this snakeoil salesman in the Whitehouse to mezmorize and hypnotize the public, we deserve what we get.

Zombie Le Zap, De Nouveau
Va te faire foutre!

To paraphrase Phylo:

I'm over and out (because I have REAL work to do and don't want to waste my billable hours on dumb arses like you).

Have a bon jour!

Bill

"NONE OF THESE PROGRAMS WOULD BE AROUND IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE DEMOCRATS. DO YOU GET THAT NOW?"

Of course we get that. Do you think any self respecting conservative would institute wealth redistribution schemes like you mention? Why do you think we're disgusted with you all?

Incidentally, it is fundamentally dishonest to conflate veteran's benefits with entitlements. Our vets deserve everything we can possibly do for them; they've earned it, it's not an entitlement.

As to the troll poster here (I'm not referring to Bill now); it is revealing that his principle debate tactic is to address someone's contention and then reply with a diatribe completely unrelated to the point he pretends to argue. That's an arguing technique my son used when he was seven. Seems like it's still popular with those who can't form a cogent thought.

Zombie Zap
"Denise
"SAY "HELLO" TO INFLATION, ZAP"

The Fed is thinking we are in for a period of deflation. That's why the Fed Funds rate is so low."

ZAP, WHAT PRAY TELL DO YOU THINK FOLLOWS DEFLATION?

IN THE MEANTIME, GET A JOB, WHICH WILL BE HARD TO DO AFTER YOUR LOBOTOMY.


"When the going gets weird, the weird just ... remains your dumb self.

Denise
"Since I have read Atlas Shrugged several times,"

I read it too and thought it read like a children's comic book. Only good and evil characters and you know in a few sentences which is which.

Alan Greenspan got off the Ayn Rand bandwagon a few months ago when he realized Wall Street had presided over it's own immolation.

Right on J-10
If I might add. I have lived in Europe for about four years. And I have may liberal friends in France, Netherlands, and England. I can tell you that even though their liberals, their not quite the same as american liberals. In Europe most people want socialism. In America we have it shoved down our throats. Our liberals what to lead as an Oligarchy and the people to live in a Dictatorship. In Europe the government has fear of the peoples back lash. In America our government could care less about the people. They've got the money and the lies to sustain power. It just so happens the Democrats are more skilled at lies then the Republicans. Both parties talk different, but their action are almost always the same. Seriously, does any one consider Bush a true conservative? The more liberal the Republicans dare to be, the more extreme the Democrats get. Being liberal is what Democrats do best. Bush is a good guy, but doesn't even come close to Reagan as a leader.

Scott (temposhot) continued
More progressive taxing systems can help to spread wealth which helps to make economic growth more consistent. Aid to the poor and disadvantaged addresses a hole in the laissez faire system, namely that what pure captialism maximizes are aggregate quantities, while there is nothing in the system that guarantees fair distributions.

There are things that the european economies do worse than the US. There are things that they do better. The draw of adopting some more european policies is to try to improve on those things they do better including having a healthy population and lower crime rates. Obviously one wants to do that while minimizing the sacrifice in those things we do better.

Scott (temposhot)
You ask a good question, but ultimately it is one that is reflective of what is so silly about the Hannity approach to discussion mentioned above.

Nobody is advocating a move towards the economic system of the old Soviety Union. (Well almost nobody, I recently met a Russian woman with a history like your wife who surprised me by supporting the kind of socialism she grew up with, at least to some degree, but that is rare and even that case only present in someone who did not grow up here).

The problem is that socialism covers a wide range of political economic systems, and the mindless charge of socialism is intended to distract the discussion away from the actual debate to the nostalgic cold war debate.

The reality is that all of the advanced countries of the west have some form of mixed economies. Markets are free to a degree, but governments intervene to a degree that is much greater than laissez faire supporters would like.

The only real debate is where on the spectrum of mixed economies we will be, where socialism and laissez-faire systems represent the two exremes neither of which will we ever actually reach.

What are the advantages to movements in the socialist direction? In the current case where the private sector has dug itself into a hole which its incentive structure does not allow itself to get out of, the government intervention side has the advantage of a different incentive structure system that could help to avoid a lot of suffering.

Denise
"SAY "HELLO" TO INFLATION, ZAP"

The Fed is thinking we are in for a period of deflation. That's why the Fed Funds rate is so low.

Socialism has been way better
than conservatism already. The money is at least being kept in our country. I saw the leader of the Socialist party on Glenn Beck last night and he seemed like a smart and rational man. Socialism is the sh*t right now! You old fogeys railing against it just endears it to the next generation.

Denise
"Gold was over an ounce last year when oil was $140 a barrel."

Oops...miss wrote.

I meant to write gold was over $1000/oz last year when oil was $140/barrel.

Bill from IL
The Ku Klux Klan was started by Democrats. Are you opposed to them? Then if you are, you need to start speaking-out against all the race-baiters and race-pimps that still inhabit the DEMOCRAT PARTY. Both black and white. Starting with the Obama administrations new policy "NO WHITE MEN NEED APPLY"

2 Of 2...
Alice in O's Utopia

Gordon Gekko would be laughing his arse off or crying.

Sure, Wall St. has been greedy, but everybody else has shared in the greed-fest. Be honest: How many of you have racked up debt?

Now, we have:

Oh, I need my mortgage paid off, my gas tank filled, a new bathroom, a new job because I've been employed at McDonald's for 4 1/2 years, my union job is kaput because that mean corporation had to close ... I need. I want. I have to have. Isn't this GREED?

"GREED IS GOOD" (as long as one remembers that the love of money is based upon LOVE, not money).

Since I have read Atlas Shrugged several times, I am off to Alice in Wonderland.... or, maybe, Alice in Obama's Utopia. Oh, and I am joining the 97%, who pay their mortgages, so I can join the 3% that do not.

GET'EM HERE!! GET'EM NOW!!
Get yer "I SURVIVED OBAMA!" T-Shirts! Comes in small, medium and large! $10.00 each! Buy two and we'll hire the government to steal money from someone else and give you two more...FREE!! GET YER "I SURVIVED OBAMA!" T-SHIRTS!!! The kids'll love'em!

NANETTE, LULU AND ALL RIGHT WINGERS
You still don't get it. Social Security, Medicare and the Veterans Administration were STARTED by Democrats. I'm not opposed to them, but if you are you should refuse your SS check if you are getting one and God forbid don't use Medicare if you are run over by a truck and end up in the hospital where it could cost you close to a million dollars before they release you. As for veterans, I'm a veteran and was happy the DEMOCRATS came up with GI Bill so I could go to college and receive health benefits.

NONE OF THESE PROGRAMS WOULD BE AROUND IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE DEMOCRATS. DO YOU GET THAT NOW?

As for me, I'm covering the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and reporting them on my blog: CORKSPHERE: http://corksphere.blogspot.com

1 Of 2
Day Per Week.


The Goobermint is spending borrowed and printed money, which will lead to eventual inflation, while the rest of us are cutting back.

For the last several months, I have gotten as much of my own financial house in order as possible and stopped spending money on anything at least one day each week.

Don't buy anything. Make your own lunch. Don't buy coffee or soft drinks. Don't buy CDs or clothes. Again, DON'T BUY ANYTHING. PERIOD.

Use that money to pay down your debt and/or save your money.

Obama is going to release the news next week that the current budget deficit will be $1.5T this year. This doesn't take into account future bailouts, spending to prevent foreclosures, on unfunded obligations like SS, Medicare, etc.

Start with 1 day a week.

I Don't Recognize This Country Anymore!
Although I agree with most the article it comes too late to mobilize citizens' ire. We need more early warning articles that will light the fires of dissent so politicians cannot get away with their usual thievery. With this so called “stimulus” plan, really massive spending bill of yet-to-be collected taxes, there should have been a demand for prudence and enough time to examine that gargantuan load of pork by politicians of every persuasion, the media, academia, and voters in general.

Bipartisanship
Wait a minute. Where is the bipartisanship?!?
This idiotic, monstrous bill was OPPOSED by both Republicans and Democrats. The good guys clearly went bipartisan.
The supporters of the bill failed bipartisan test, but then they failed common sence, simple decency, rational thinking and a host of other criteria.

The Arrogant, Uncaring "messiah"

Obama is not as popular as the MSM would have you believe. Less than one month in office His Husseiness is already drawing larger protests over his policies than any size protests that I can recall ever being organized by the much villified [by the media-led left] Pres. George W. Bush.

For a much-ballyhooed "messiah," he doesn't seem to be garnering much support among the peasants.

Mark my words: This guy will displace even Jimmy Carter, as the WORST president in U.S. history
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“Yes, we care!” Porkulus protesters holler back
Hundreds of taxpayers took time out of their busy day to protest President Obama’s “stimulus” bill-signing in Denver today.

Jim Pfaff of Colorado Americans for Prosperity, Jon Caldara and the Independence Institute, former Rep. Tom Tancredo, and several GOP officials and state legislators spearheaded the event.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/17/yes-we-care-porkulus-p rotesters-holler-back/
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Obama Protested by More Than 500 in Arizona, Stimulus in Colorado (Photos)

http://immigrantson.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/obama-proteste d-by-more-than-2000-arizona-today/
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Even once-willing Obamamaniacs, it seems, don't like having it shoved all the way in without so much as dollop of Vaseline...and a kiss.



They never read nay bills!
This is merely the most egregious example of how Congress "works" (in quotes, because to actually work, would require positive results). They have a tax bill that the moron that wrote most of it has been exposed as a tax cheat and his defense is that he didn't know he wasn't following the law he wrote. They don't ever read anything that they vote on! They should all be tried for treason and then executed!

break with the old economic model
President Obama says we need stimulus not the same old trickle down theory of the republicans.

Give money to Citi, BofA, GM. What is this called trickle up dependence?

Cookie
"denise
Let me add that TARP 1 was greatly encouraged by the left in Congress. The left, who controled/controls Congress and spending, was out in front demanding something be done to bailout AIG, Banks, the Auto Industry and Wall Street. By the way, most of these entities are based or are greatly influenced by the liberal state of New York. Detroit and Michigan are very democrat leaning also. So yes, Bush backed TARP 1, but the democrats in Congress have their fingerprints all over this. And why not? They are engaging in their favorite sport-Spending Other People's Money!"

I HAVE BEEN SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER AT GWB & CONGRESS & OBAMA ABOUT SPENDING.

DID YOU KNOW WHO WAS THE PARTNER WAS IN THE WHOLE CARBON CREDIT CR@P SCAM? THE NAKED EMPEROR, HANK PAULSON.

WE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE COOKIES AFTER GOOBERMINT FINISHES THEIR CRAZINESS. EVEN THE GIRL SCOUTS WILL PROTEST.

Joey...
As far as I'm concerned, that about sums it up.

HYPOCRISY 101(aka:"Communist Agitators")
Displayed very well by the Democratic party of the United States:
1) When Bush is President, make sure you loudly display your lack of support for our troops.
When Obama is president, make sure you show your full support for our troops.
2) When Bush is President, make sure you protest the war.
When Obama is president, make sure you do NOT protest the war
3) Let Bush know how much you don't like his "out-of-control" government spending.
Let Obama know how much you love his "out-of-control" government spending. Cheer!
4) Make sure you make fun of the way George W. Bush "stutters".
Do NOT make fun of the way Barack Hussein Obama "stutters".
5) When Bush is President, make sure you demand a "timeline! and Troop withdrawal".
When Obama is president, make sure you show your support when he sends more troops to the middle east.
6) Bush tripled the size of the federal government in his 8-year term. Show your anger.
Obama has tripled the size of the federal government in his first 2 months in office. Show your joy!
7) Bush went after the terrorists who attacked us and locked them up.
Obama immediately set them all free.

Anyone have anything you want to add?

Cherry-picking
It's alot of fun to sit here and cherry-pick who did what, when did they do it, but what we should be looking at is the trend toward socialism that started about 1900, with a small break during the Reagan years. Obama and his pet congress are in the process of pushing us over the line.

My question to all sides is, what will the cost be to "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? Are you willing to pay it? I wonder what the libs will say when the bills come due.

ZAP, THE DUMB
"zapdoodat
Location: MA
Reply # 28
Date: Feb 19, 2009 - 11:06 AM EST Denise
"Also, why do you think that gold is nearing $1K/ounce?"

Gold was over an ounce last year when oil was $140 a barrel."

WHEN DID OIL BECOME GOLD?

PEOPLE ARE BUYING GOLD BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF OUR SPENDING.

EVEN RUSSIAN'S PUTIN IS WARNING US OF SOCIALISM.

Hell no! We're not all socialists
Remember folks, 56 million Americans voted AGAINST Barack Hussein Obama. Obama was elected by a majority of VOTERS. The majority of AMERICANS did not want this fool to be our president. He makes Jimmy Carter look good.

Zap - Had to "do" lunch
"Denise
"Lastly, even the Chinese and Russians think that we are on a hyper-spending spree."

"No, the Chinese had a stimulus package last year and are planning another one. Relative to GDP, there's is eight times larger."

RUSSIA AND CHINA HAVE QUESTIONED OUR SPENDING. AND, WE ARE PRINTING MONEY.

SAY "HELLO" TO INFLATION, ZAP

closet and n
And as I said previously, don't forget the hypocrisy of the left. Everytime Bush spent, the liberals said he didn't spend enough. Education, unemployment, Prescription Drugs, etc. If Bush spent a billion on something, the dems would criticize and say he should have spent a billion and a half. The MSM conveniently forgets this hypocrisy as they cover for their liberal politician buddies.

I am bewildered as to why Republicans never learn this lesson. Whatever a Republican does will be criticized. If they spent $10 Trillion on education, liberals would say why not $11 Trillion. Poverty could be reduced to one half of one percent and liberals would scream that we were beating up on the half percent. Since Republicans are going to be criticized either way with the MSM gleefully carrying water for the dems, why not stick to their principles? When are Republicans ever going to learn this lesson. Why not stand up stronger to the lending of money to people not worthy nor capable of paying the money back? Do you think Barney Frank could be any more harsh even when Republicans were only mildly protesting?

Everyone, please check out....
... the following URL:

http://readthestimulus.org/

George Caved, So I Have To Too?
This narrative from the left is getting so tiresome. George W. Bush well into his second term put us on a socialist spending path, So now that Barack Obama is implementing the same basic plan...on steroids, we can't say anything.

Why do you think GWB lost the majority in both houses for his party? And the '08 election? If people have the choice of voting for Democrat or Democrat Lite, they'll usually pick the authentic Democrat.

Thanks to the media's corruption and intellectual dishonesty, the people who aren't news junkies like ourselves were not getting a real picture of the man. They aren't getting it now. It just happens to be seeping through, despite the best efforts of the MSM. http://theclosetconservative.com

Republicans win either way
Hey, If this does work to "save the economy" then Republicans like all citizens will still win, they will all get richer and be able to support what they believe it.
But if it fails, as it is most likely to do, they win also, at least, politically.


can't wait
I guess calling it Swedish socialism is somehow less threatening. Yes that’s it; I only have visions of the Swedish bikini team and no longer care about losing my individual rights, WOW everything’s good now free everything and girls in bikinis

HUH?
The congress "thoughtfully" passed this bill? How can you give thought to something you never read?

zap
I have routinely stated my regret that President Bush presided over the largest government expansion in history. I never lost MY "mojo" because if it was up to me things would have been MUCH different.

Re: What???
Look, when Glowbama signed the Porkulus Bill that is just what happened, and for someone to drink Kool-ade and say we are not SOCIALISTS, is way off the mark!!!!

For all you would-be socialists...
I'm asking to try to understand your point of view.

What do you see in socialism? What are the benefits?

My wife was born in Uzbekistan and lived in various places in the old USSR before immagrating to this country in 2001. She doesn't like politics, but has little good to say about Socialism.

I've asked others who are excited by the prospect of the United States moving toward socialism, but I've never gotten an actual response on what they are excited about. (They usually end the conversation when I tell them my wife's background.) Please enlighten me. I sincerely do want to know and understand.

I thank you much.

Scott

n
"Also not only should we cut taxes we should elminiate the departments of education, agriculture, energy, homeland security. Doing so would give us how much $$$?"

After eight years of supporting the Republican massive increase in government, you are finally getting your conservative "mojo" back.

Keep up the good work.

Cookie
That is all spot on and I could not have said it better myself. It doesnt really bother me that he is so flawed we all are to one degree or another but to sit in judgement of others when he himself has so many flaws seems unreasonable. The MSM applies a double standard with one set of rules for lib dems and a nentirely different set for conservative reps. Thanks for the input.

zap
So you and I are in agreement that non citizen muslims should be rounded up and sent home and that we should monitor the activities of muslim americans! Excellent!!

Also not only should we cut taxes we should elminiate the departments of education, agriculture, energy, homeland security. Doing so would give us how much $$$?

And our 21st century president hussein will kiss butt on his way to peace. Maybe we'll need to create a dept of chapstick to support the "war" effort.

n
Well said on spending. This is off topic but I tried to write you last week but my post went into the TH Black Hole and I didn't have time to recreate it. You mentioned that you were from MA and had to endure Ted Kennedy and all the morons who kept voting this extremely flawed human being into office-and that is a kind description.

What has always bothered me is not that the "good People of MA" keep voting him in. That's their right-though he should just be getting out of jail. What bothers me is the MSM treating him like some sort of God. Just because MA keeps sending him back doesn't mean the MSM has to give him airtime. A Republican with history would get no airtime. In fact, a Republican with the sorry history of a Ted Kennedy would have been hounded out of the Senate long ago. Want an example? Look at Mark Foley. What a feeding frenzy. And he didn't even act upon his impulses. Yet, Gerry Studds who did act upon his perversions was honored and promoted in the Congress. When he died within a year of the Foley mess, he was HONORED at his funeral by many of those same politicians that ran Foley out of the Congress.

I have a long standing dream. I irritates me to no end when Kennedy blusters, pontificates, and moralizes to people called before a committee he serves or before the Senate. Just once I want someone to stop him mid-sentence and sey, "Mr. Kennedy, you need to shut the h*ll up! I can take the moralizing and pointed questions from someone like Joe Lieberman or Russ Feingold, but not from someone of such poor character as you. Mr. Kennedy, you need to sit down and shut the f*ck up! If you don't, I'm going to use my time to list the many character flaws you have and the illegal things you got away with in your past." Really, someone should have said this to Ted Kennedy or Robert Byrd decades ago.

H.D. They are politicians
The republicans did make a mistake. They wanted to open up and buy more votes. They wanted to appeal to more of those who would react to getting on the dole as a sign of government concern. It doesn't work for republicans.

Two billion dollars for ACORN. Turning the entire medical industry into a government run Kaiser Permanente. Ignore that they are democrats so they do mean well.

For those who complain of the greed of Wall Street. Was it Wall Street which created the packaging of home loans, that were garbage, that came firs or was it Congress that created the loans by forcing Freddie and Fannie to provide the loans.

Just tell Congress "NO" to more spending
Congress just passed a 1 TRILLION dollar “stimulus” plan – and now they’ve got their hands out AGAIN!

Yes, believe it or not, the spending isn’t stopping.

Obama is now pitching a 75 BILLION dollar mortgage bailout plan.

And the guys at GM and Chrysler are back asking for another handout of almost 20 BILLION.

This is on top of a trillion dollar “stimulus” that created 32 NEW government programs.

And in the meantime, our national debt is already over TEN TRILLION dollars!

Tell Congress this madness has to stop!

Click below and send a personalized message to your members of Congress today!

http://www.conservativeoutpost.com/campaign/cta/stop_spendi ng

H.D.
Let's be honest about spending. We were critical about Bush and his spending. Very disappointed. However, everytime he spent money, the democrats cried that he didn't spend enough. Historic increases on Education spending-not enough. Prescription Drug spending-not enough. The only thing the democrats don't like spending money on is, ironically, one of the few things the president is constitutionally mandated to do, the military.

Want proof. Democrats aren't in power for 2 months and they are spending money on all sorts of pet, liberal projects that can hardly be deemed stimulus spending. So when liberals say Bush spent too much money, I can only laugh that they think we are that stupid to not know their history of spending Other People's Money!

n
"libs who dont have the stomach for what must be done to defeat the enemy."

Cherish the tax cut!

n
If a 21st century Republican had been president in 1941, they would have sued for peace.

Abraham Lincoln raised taxes to pay for the Union Army. FDR sent taxes through the roof to pay for the heavy cost of WWII.

Republicans of today are only willing to soldier on, in the War on Terror, by passing a tax cut and dumping the entire cost of the war onto the national credit card.

H.D.
When you became a citizen did you read ANY American history. Government as a final answer did NOT begin wit hPresident Bush. It began in fact with FDR. The WPA, CCC, social security and it goes on and on. If you want to blast President Bush ok I can live with that but lets be clear about who got this bal lrolling for us and it was F"D"R the "D" being for Democrat!

zap
IF President Bush had been FDR, in the days after 9/11 all muslim non-citizens would have been rounded up and sent home and muslim citizens should have been monitored VERY closely but just imagine the outcry IF anything close to that actually happened.

Bizarro World
Anyone here remember Bizarro World? Here's a simple illustration of the logic and thought put into the "Stick-it-to-us" bill.

1. I'm going blind in my right eye, I better stick a pencil in my left eye to fix it.
2. I'm going deaf in my left ear, I better cut off my right ear to compensate.
3. I broke my left ankle, I better shoot myself in my right foot so that I limp on both sides.

RetGeeks excellent listing of Obamalogic makes just this much sense and it's what we the people are allowing the citizens of Bizarro DC to do to us. Wake up folks - time to start thinking again.

Bozell, please stop lying?
Did not George W. and his cronies start this game of making the Federal Government the final answer, who spent second only to LBJ and handed to Obama the greatest economic disaster ever since this nation was born, with two bogus wars mired deeply in the mud, with no in end in sight?

Did George W. not come up with stimulus checks plus later with 700 billions more, and ending up saying that he sacrificed his free market economy principles to safe the economy from collapsing?

Yes, sort of saying: I had to put a couples of bullets in the guy's head to keep him alive!

So the question to you: Why in the hell did your bunch not get behind Ron Paul anyway, who was ready to take over upon the very principles this nation was founded upon?

Yes, actually ready to take over where Ronald Reagan left off? While in the meantime George W. with his Cheney completely destroyed the friendship he created with the now Russian nation, etc.

Sir, you conservatives are a disgrace to America, period. All your are doing now, is making sure that Obama will completely fail so that you can take over, the next time around, just like he took over as the Republican Party made a mess of America.

I for myself as a legal immigrant of 53 years and having joined the Republican, was given the privilege here in California to vote for Ron Paul, for which I praise God Almighty for!

Center Right Myth
The media would like us to believe Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi are simply center left. If John McCain is a moderate who in the democrat leadership of the Congress would be considered moderates?

denise
Let me add that TARP 1 was greatly encouraged by the left in Congress. The left, who controled/controls Congress and spending, was out in front demanding something be done to bailout AIG, Banks, the Auto Industry and Wall Street. By the way, most of these entities are based or are greatly influenced by the liberal state of New York. Detroit and Michigan are very democrat leaning also. So yes, Bush backed TARP 1, but the democrats in Congress have their fingerprints all over this. And why not? They are engaging in their favorite sport-Spending Other People's Money!

zap
The problem is wars never again be fought like they were during WWII because of libs who dont have the stomach for what must be done to defeat the enemy. FDR rounded up and essentially imprisoned Jaoanese American citizens yet the left cries that W had terrorits detained at Gitmo. FDR and America did during WWI was was necessary to BEAT the enemy. You are so obviously hyprocritical at best and stupid at worse.

We're Not All Socialists
I think its a most dangerous day when legislation is passed so quickly that no one can study it. It's a farce of government in the open. Rather, it's government by fiat.

It appaling that the media is so blind in their hero worship. I'ts as bad as teen girls swooning over the latest rock star; a sad day in the history of a democratic nation.

No, sir.

Retired Geek, 10:18 AM

No, my friend. I would "NOT" wrap my dead fish in that... that rag. Not ever.

Not even if the fish was meant... for the cat.

I mean, what if the poor animal acquired a brain disease... like socialism?

And then proceeded to breed... :-)


Denise
"Also, why do you think that gold is nearing $1K/ounce?"

Gold was over an ounce last year when oil was $140 a barrel.

Denise
"Lastly, even the Chinese and Russians think that we are on a hyper-spending spree."

http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/10/markets/world_markets/index .htm

No, the Chinese had a stimulus package last year and are planning another one. Relative to GDP, there's is eight times larger.

lulu
"So your saying you think we should have carpet bombed Iraq and nuked Afghanistan?"

Republicans do more talking than doing. But they do sound tough. Bush and the Republicans put ideology ahead of military effectiveness in Iraq.

Remember a few months ago when Russia invaded the Republic of Georgia? The Republicans blustered, blathered and bloviated about how Russia would surely pay for their crime against the Georgian people.

George Bush even sent a frigate to a Georgian port. The Russian soldiers gave it a one-finger salute. Evidently, a single ship did not intimidate those Ruskies.

After it all, Bush gave the Republic of Georgia one billion of the American taxpayer's dollars.

Blather, bloviate and then give away some money to make yourself feel better. A job well done!

Zappy-Do-Duh!

I, like most Fiscal Conservatives, screamed BLOODY MURDER over TARP I, but BHO has tripled down on spending money.

How do you like your State's mileage tax?

My nearly two-year old car has 2400 miles on it because I walk to work.

Also, why do you think that gold is nearing $1K/ounce?

Lastly, even the Chinese and Russians think that we are on a hyper-spending spree. Why do you think that is the case?

I have 1,000 pairs of shoes and would throw all of them at every member of Goobermint.

RGeek
What have birds or dead fish ever done to you?

The discontent is GROWING! The Sail Eared Simpleton sees light in the tunnel, it is a train heading for him and gaining speed!

zapdoodat
So your saying you think we should have carpet bombed Iraq and nuked Afghanistan? I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with you.

btw, what does war stategy have to do with this column?

missing the point.
It would be interesting if the conservatives could find someone who does what Bozell does, but can understand the articles that he is attacking. To say that Bozell missed the point of the Newsweek article would be an understatement.

What Meachem and Thomas were writing about was the disconnect between criticism at the level of describing policy changes by words with bad associations, and the actual arguments that affect the way the country is going.

If you read their article you see them say clearly that America is what they call a center-right country, one that is not likely to go as far as the Europeans. But that in the current crisis it is going in the direction of more government involvement, although when the crisis passes there will likely be movement in the other direction.

In a world in which the Bush administration expanded entitlements and began the process of saving the banks, the Hannity "they're pushing socialism" becomes comical rather than relevant.

The same could be said about the issue of temporary nationalization of banks, yes as was done successfully in Sweden. Some of the "socialists" arguing that this might be the best of bad choices have included Alan Greenspan and Lindsey Graham.

The people yelling "Socialism, Socialism" do look increasingly like children in this context.

The New York Times is dying

The New York Times is dying a natural death.

One can purchase a share of stock in the NYT, cheaper than one can buy a copy of the paper.

The copy of the NYT at least can be used for lining bird cages and wrapping fish.

Barack Obama Doctrine of Fear

Barack Obama used the word 'CRISIS' 25 times in his speech about signing the 'Obama Stimulus Fiasco'.

Barack Obama has decided to give the money to help those who can't pay their mortgages, to FANNIE and FREDDIE (who are the cause of the crisis), with oversight by Cris Dodd and Barney Frank.

Barack Obama believes the 'Politics of Fear', will help the American Citizens to overcome any fear they have about the economy.

Barack Obama believes that 'Marxism is the Opiate of the Asses'.


It all makes sense
- The U.S. will go the way of all other failed socialist nations.

- Brad Pitt will have plastic surgery to look like Henry Waxman.

- A new surgical procedure will shorten a man's pencil.

- We'll teach our kids to play in the street.

- Women will spend tons of money to look like Janet Reno.

- Baseball players will have incentives in their contracts to hit below .200.

- Retirees will move from Florida to Buffalo, NY.

- We'll smoke cigarettes to live longer.

- Jews will replace the Star of David with a Swaztika.


It all makes perfect sense. The most prosperous country in the history of the world is going the way of socialism. While other nations who have lived through that pathetic system...are trying to get out of it.


Dusty Bill
"think compounding the errors of the past is such a good idea?"

Just say "NO" to Bush, the Republicans and all the NeoCons. Remember them?

Why did it take so long for George Bush, Don Rumsfeld and the Republican party to have an effective strategy in Iraq? By the time they got their act together, the USA, under FDR, had already beaten Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Kool-Aid drinkers of Republican propaganda care more about the 'good' Republican image than military effectiveness in battle. You are a disgrace to America.

Let's see
Liberals... no... communists push through this porkulus / Socialism bill, no one has read it, and they really actually question why there's opposition to it?

Are they even serious anymore? or was the line of questioning just a joke?

Democrats shouldn't be hailed on this bill, they should be tried for treason.

Zapdodo
You're right, Bush was a fiscal socialist. That doesn't make it right, but it does beg the question, why is he so hated by you morons who seem to think compounding the errors of the past is such a good idea?

JMO51
If the Republicans have any integrity AND MOST PARTICULARLY if they have any CONSTITUTIONAL fidelity they will be the party of no. The Constitution makes nor provision for government interference in the marketplace, for bailouts, for setting interest rates. THE 1!! Constitutional power Congress has is to make sure that the states have equitable trade, and that is the Commerce Clause. Frankly if it wasn't for all the foolish government intervention we already have to deal with, we would be a much wealthier country. Now take your foolishness and run off to Canada, or England, or Sweden, or Cuba, just please stop trying to destroy this country.

more useful idiocy

Zapdoodoo: "Now, I'm beginning to think the term 'Bush-Fascists' is more apropos. What do you think?"

I think you're an idiot.

And to Bill, social security, medicare, and medicaid are all unconstitutional wealth redistribution programs, with the added bonus of SS being a Ponzi scheme which would merit serious prison time were it administered by anyone other than the government. They all need to be abolished, although I would see them phased out over time to allow people to adjust to being responsible for themselves once again. This country will be in constant danger of bankruptcy while these programs continue.

Media Stooges
It will be so nice to see these over-paid, blown-dried, news READERS out of work when REAL socialism, under the "O" man, takes over. There will be no need for these sycophants to be on the air. That will be one good outcome of the government take over of the media. Anyone can brown-nose the "O" man. We can save tons of money and then these useful idiots can try to get real jobs with no marketable skills.

D
Are you not a supply-sider?

Wasn't your mantra the past eight years something like, "The more we can spend, then that's even more opportunity to cut taxes!"


Nick in Austin
"It was the dems who forced them to make mortgage loans"

uh...POTUS was Bush, the past eight years.

President Bush readily took up the homeownership baton at the start of his administration in 2001. Owning a home became one pillar of his "ownership society", a vision in which everyone would possess a stake in the American economy. In summer 2002, Bush challenged lenders to add 5.5 million new minority homeowners by the end of the decade; in 2003 he signed the American Dream Downpayment Act, a program offering money to lower income households to help with down payments and closing costs on a first home. Lenders gladly accepted Bush's challenge.

http://www.americandreamdownpaymentassistance.com/whsp12162 003.cfm

To reinforce his effort, the Bush administration put substantial pressure on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase their funding of mortgage loans to lower-income groups.

The Bush administration and and most Republicans in Congress were opposed to legislation banning 'predatory' lending, believing legislation would overly restrict lending and thus slow the march of home ownership; moreover, the Republicans argued, existing regulations were adequate to discourage the worst excesses.

Alice In O's Utopia
Gordon Gekko would be laughing his arse off or crying.

Sure, Wall St. has been greedy, but everybody else has shared in the greed-fest. Be honest: How many of you have racked up debt?

Now, we have:

Oh, I need my mortgage paid off, my gas tank filled, a new bathroom, a new job because I've been employed at McDonald's for 4 1/2 years, my union job is kaput because that mean corporation had to close ... I need. I want. I have to have. Isn't this GREED?

"GREED IS GOOD" (as long as one remembers that the love of money is based upon LOVE, not money).

Since I have read Atlas Shrugged several times, I am off to Alice in Wonderland.... or, maybe, Alice in Obama's Utopia. Oh, and I am joining the 97%, who pay their mortgages, so I can join the 3% that do not.

Nous sommes tout les Socialistes? Non, j'espere!

Bill
I'm all for doing away with SS and medicare right now for everyone under 55. But don't suggest that we are willing participants. I will never see a penny given my age yet my husband and I our forced at the point of a gun to contribute 15.9% of both our incomes every year. If I had that money in a crappy savings account paying essentially no interest I would be doing better.


As to veterans, I'm not sure where the excesses are so will not comment. I do however believe that if you ever served our nation in combat we do owe you something for your service.

Oh and if you are so exercised about VA benefits should we do away with government pensions for the overpaid underworked civil servants?

Zapdoodit
The banks aren't supporting Republicans. Look at Fanny Mae. How much did the CEOs of that corrupt organization give to Obama and Chris Dodd?

It was the dems who forced them to make mortgage loans to people on welfare and unemployment. They got used to it. They had to make risky loans to others to pay for that. Finally, when the election was on the line, Chuck Schumer released confidential IndyMac documents, Fanny Mae turned over and the bankers showed up at Bush's door. Numerous times, the republicans tried to stop these practices, but were turned away by the Dems in congress.

Worst case, Bush's deficits kept the monkey in the cage. Obama's spending has let it out.

Tough Call
Its tough to figure out who's worse the MSM or liberal dems who ACTUALLY believe socialism works. Whats one thing besides the military that the fed government does well and effieciently

protests
'The One' has been in office for only a month and he has spurred conservatives to street protests. When one remembers the phrase, "The Left owns the streets because the Right is at work", it makes the hundreds-strong protests in Denver and Phoenix all the more remarkable.

My local GOP is in the planning stages of launching a protest in frontof the offices of our local Dem Congresswoman and our Dem Senators. Interest in the protests are strong. The problem: plenty of hammers but not enough sickles.

Socialism is slavery, be an abolitionist!

Misleading Labeling
Every time I hear about the so-called 'news media' fawning over Obama, I long for the 'Fairness Doctrine' to be applied to them. Outside of the SCOTUS, these press people are the most dangerous in the nation. Perhaps the networks and newspapers should hire some real, objective journalists to report the news and just allow the current crop to perform their opinion pieces. The network 'news' is merely a liberal version of Limbaugh with misleading labeling. The only difference is that Limbaugh doesn't tend to lie.

Thank you for an excellent column
Hopefully it will stir Republicans and conservatives to start preparing to vote overwhelmingly for a conservative candidate in the next election.

I know it is fun to sit at the compuiter and comment on the work of others but until we convince other voters to vote for a conservative we are like the royalty that sat around until the great unwashed in the French Revolution came along and took everything they had, including their heads.

Its all about control
Democrats are only happy when they are in control. That is what this latest so called pork laden bill is all about, control. The Democrats want to control every aspect of our lives because we cannot control ourselves in a manner they approve of. So with the help of the squealing Obamaites the Democrats are well on the way to controlling everything. Look forward to re-education centers so the masses will happily accept thier new lot in life.

By the way, how many people know any Swedes. I have had the good fortune to work for quite a few and I can tell you from personal experience most of them are not too happy with thier Government because of the high cost of living and other problems that have come about due to the Socialists Government that now exists in Sweden. The problem is that when you adopt that style of government it is next to impossible to retrace your steps and get out of it. I would be interested to see if the Swedes would accept a return to a more capitalist system if they could avoid the pain of the transition.

Drew
thank you for your post. You said it much better then me.
Kirk

We're not all socialists
No,we're not all socialists. We're not European socialists, we're not Swedish socialists. We're Americans, and we fight socialism, or any government oppression, with tea parties and calls to action to save our freedom and our rights for the next generation. It would seem that the dems are waking the sleeping giant back up a lot sooner than could've been expected, which is a good thing because if we're going to pass on our sacred rights to our children, we'd better get started now.

And Bill
I don't believe in SS or Med Care.
Kirk

Bill
are you telling me that men and women who actually serve this country, not run it down, are reciving some thing for free? I will agree about SS and Med-care, but VA benes? The reason it was inacted was the gov. screwed them over so much it was time to tack care of them. To rank this with someone on SS Medc. is sick. Some of these vets will never walk, see, ect again. No they earned what little they actually recive. Most on any other gov progrom did not!
Kirk

To Bill Re: Social Security
No one is able to "take advantage" of Social Security. It is a mandatory government program you are forced to participate in whether you want to or not. I have known since my 18th birthday in 1986 that Social Security will not be solvent by the time I retire but I am still forced to pay in to a system neither I or most people my age or younger will benefit from. This is the evil of socialism. In a free society no one should be forced by the government to do something they know is against their best interests.

really big shoe
I wake up every morning with a sinking feeling in my gut. I wait for the other shoe to fall, and I hope that rhetorical shoe does not destroy the country that I once knew and loved. Obama brags that he won...while we all know how much we have lost. The sinking feeling gets worse while the Emperor takes another vacation as Rome burns.

Mr Bonzell
good collumn. The msm is in bed with potus, my five year old said it all last night: Daddy the pres. is gonig to spend money so people stay in their homes and I get to go to school. Anyone want to guess where he heard that? I guess kindergarden has changed since I went. Yep they want them to be socialists now.
Kirk

Failure is the Success of Obama

WARNING Liberals are the only ones who can follow the Barack Obama logic.

Obama's Logic:
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1) Bankrupt the coal industry. Cutting out 50% of electrical production in the US.

2) Stop importing steel, only use American steel.

3) Coal is the only way to produce heat to make steel.

4) Make and buy only American cars out of steel, this will save the US auto industry.

5) Don't drive those cars, because that will minimize the environmental gains of bankrupting coal.

6) Build highways and bridges to drive the cars on that we shouldn't drive to save the planet.

7) Don't build nuclear power plants or drill for oil, so America can reduce its dependence on foreign oil imports.

8) Give money to mis-managed business's and then act indignant and betrayed, when those bad money managers mis-manage the money you gave them.

9) Give money to those who cannot manage their own budgets and buy things they cannot afford, so they can catch up with everyone else.

The Obama financial 'Doctrine' - if you have spent to much money on credit and cannot pay your bills, spend much, much more on credit to decrease your debt.

Invest in failure to secure success.

Failing 'Upward' is the Obama plan for success.

The Stupid Media
The left wing media need not be concerned with the president taking the census from Commerce, or the billions given to a decidedly left activist organization. At least not until they are no longer necessary.

The media railed against Bush's attack on democracy for the reasons of security and stand back to applaude Obama's full assault on liberty along with his anti-trickle down government take over of industries. (It's not trickle down to put billions into Citi or GM).

Exit strategy
Others are paying down our bills, not racking up any more debt, growing our own vegatables and canning and preserving them, fixing things instead of throwing them away when they break, becoming as self-sufficient as possible in this day and age...and praying for God's mercy, because there sure won't be any from the current government.

exit strategy
One thing we must discuss is strategies for surviving the national socialism movement in America. You know, the one being run by the liberals in congress and the white house.

I love living in and being an American. Just now, I am happy I have an offshore business. It is small but it is mine. I am keeping debt and expenses low. I concentrate on delivering more than my customers expect. Try and stay under the radar.

What are others doing?

Republican Stimulus Plan
JMO51
Feb 19, 2009 6:35AM EST

Taking the suggestion of lilly I googled Republican Stimulus Plan and found this:

"Feb 3, 2009
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Senate Republicans on Tuesday offered their own, cheaper economic stimulus plans focused on tax cuts, pushing back against a nearly $900 billion Democratic plan they say encourages too much new spending.
Senators worked throughout the day to find a bipartisan deal. McCain and four other Republicans unveiled their ideas priced at $445 billion, half the cost of Democratic version which started the day at $885 billion.

It centered on cutting in half a 6.2 percent payroll tax on employees, cutting the corporate tax rate to 25 percent from 35 percent and lowering the bottom two income tax brackets to 10 percent and 5 percent, all for one year.

McCain and Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, John Thune of South Dakota, Richard Burr of North Carolina and Mel Martinez of Florida also proposed $11 billion to help prevent home foreclosures and $65 billion in state grants to build and repair bridges and roads."

This doesn't appear to be "JUST SAY NO" to anyone that has the ability to research and read-you know those that can think for themselves. I suggest that you spend a little more time doing some critical thinking and a lot less time drinking the Kool-Aid. You might actually learn something.

Stimulus
...and the farmer took another load away.

Party of "We Won"
Republicans were not allowed to the process.

Pelosi and Reid had closed door meetings.

Democrats have a majority. Any Republican suggestions can be shot down easily.

The president and Pelosi stated "We Won." That should clue you in on how open to suggestions they were.

The president put on a show for you by inviting Republicans while at the House-Senate the story was different.

No one read that darn thing. I would never sign a contract without reading it. These read theirs only to make sure they get a sweet deal.

1,100 PAGES
They didn't want the truth to be known
as the people would defeat it,but the news media along with their TV anchors made sure we were ok and nothing to worry about.Well the bill was signed and now they and we will pay a heavy price for putting this socialist in office for years to come.

Question for the Author
And the Republican Plan was? Republicans spent all of their time picking the Stimulas plan apart and solidifying the opposition vote, but what they did not do was offer an cogent option. If they believed as some do that we should do nothing, then that should have been their position. If they think a plan should have been all tax cuts then say do.

What they did was oppose this plan and then float a lot of wild ideas but not own any of them because they all would collapse on close examinination.

That is why the opposition was not a principled stand, but a partisan one.

The Republicans are leaderless and rudderless which just makes them the party of no.

Socialism,NO!
AS a "Baby Boomer" I grew up in the '60's. I didn't like the Viet Nam War brought on by the Demoncrats, Socialists who thought that they had a better way than Communists, though both were nearly the same. But I did my small part by serving.
I prefer to live in a country where everyone is given an opportunity to reach their goals by the "sweat of their brow" and how they use their education and skills and not by Big Government intervention that has no other interest than to control the masses.
Control of the masses is Socialism a near relative, if no the same as Communism.
It won't work.
I don't mind helping someone who cannot work and support themselves and otherws under their "care" but I dislike rewarding someone for foolish choices made in life when they felt that others OWED them a living simply because they were a citizen.
I firmly believe in a hands-up to help others with a hand-out to get them started with help but a continuous hand-out when they can and are able to work is another matter.
I and my parents worked hard for me to receive my education and I took it from there.
I didn't run around with my pants down to my rear end, waving hand signals with my baseball cap turned around, shuffling my high-price shoes, doing drugs and cursing the government for it's "failure" to provide me a free income to continue to practice my lifestyle and "father" children out of wedlock with no responsibility.
I hate to think that my taxes go to support these people, be they ANY race and there are many all around.

MR. BOZELL
I would imagine you or some members of your family have taken advantage of three of the biggest "socialist" program ever introduced into the United States: Social Security, Medicare and the Veterans Administration. All of these programs were started by Democrats and would NOT BE AROUND for you or any of your family members to participate in without Democats creating them.

Are you for doing away with Social Security, Medicare and the Veterans Administration?

How would your family members and neighbors feel if the didn't have Social Security, Medicare and the VA to depend on?

The idea that the Obama stimulus plan is "socialism" is patently absurd unless, of course, you don't believe in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the VA.

Is Socialism Really Better?
The question before Americans today is: Would you prefer living in a county with its economy based on socialism or in a country offering economic freedom?

Let me rephrase that question: Would you prefer to be a Cuban living in Cuba or a Cuban living in Florida?

To Nick in Austin, Reply #1
Google "poverty level" and you will see that your stated income of $36,000 would have to be for a family of 8 in order for them to be considered at poverty level. For a family of four, poverty level is $22,050. For the couple you mention, poverty level is not $70,000 but $14,570. Your high school graduate living with unrelated adults would be capped at $10,830; his roommates' income would not be considered in calculating whether he himself was at poverty level. Poverty level is established by the Department of Agriculture and is calculated not only on income but on family size. Now, Nick in Austin, let me ask you something: by hysterically spreading misinformation, what do you gain? How does this help your country? The Internet makes it really easy to find out what the actual facts are. Why not do this before you start screaming?

Nick in Austin
The truth is Republicans are hard core Socialists and have started us down this path.

Wasn't the $750 billion Bush-Bolshevik bank bailout Socialism? The Republican party is very similar to the Bolshevik party in Russia circa 1917.

Russia was governed by a triumvirate of three men called Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin.

Today, Republican-Bolsheviks are George Bush, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke.

And now the Republican wealth-redistribution continues. Today, I read that banks, having received their first $250 billion installment of taxpayer monies, are distributing it to their sacred stockholders in the form of dividend checks.

Another item on the banker's list on how to best use the taxpayer's money, is to partake in some lucrative Mergers and Acquisition activity. Oh, these Bush-Bolsheviks were clever in their wealth redistribution. Now, I'm beginning to think the term 'Bush-Fascists' is more apropos. What do you think?

The Lie That's Killing Us All
Until the right debunks the following democratic party lie, they will always be considered cold and heartless instead of reasonable and practical. Here is the lie:

40 million Americans live below the poverty level!

The truth is that anyone who makes less than $36,000 is living below the poverty level. One in every nine Americans. That's 130,000 people living in Austin are living in poverty. Where are they?

Per this lie, if a child earns less than $36,000, he must be living in poverty. A couple makes $70,000 together, they are living in poverty. A high school graduate who only makes $35,000, lives with four roommates, has a new car and new television and eats out every night, is living in poverty.

THis lie should be exposed daily (and nightly) on every right wing talk show in America, until everyone who hears it knows that they are being lied to and lied to and lied to. Then we can get on about the work of fixing the damage that the Democrats have done in order to enrich themselves.
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