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Friday, January 23, 2009
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Harvard vs. The Hood
by Brent Bozell
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Barack Obama's inauguration was an enormous magnet for the stars of stage, screen, TV and radio, the celebrity-stuffed culmination of the goals of the Sixties' civil rights movement. Some of the most prominent stars were black musicians. This is an opportunity to raise the question: Whither goest black popular culture, especially hip-hop music, under the new president?

1. Will the Obama presidency drain the swamp of hip-hop hate? Can he remake the dividers into uniters? On Tuesday night, the rapper Jay-Z performed on the ABC Inaugural Ball special in a tux and nerdy glasses, toning down the thug-rap with a song called "History." ABC didn't have to bleep a single word, even if the older demographics in the audience were still wondering why this is called music. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the pendulum of rap music swung away from glorifying the "thug life" of drug dealers, pimps and gangsters? With a black man in the White House, could rappers be less pessimistic about authority? When talking about The Man, there is no more powerful man in Washington than the black man just sworn in as our 44th president.

The early signs aren't promising. On YouTube, Jay-Z and another rapper, Young Jeezy, appeared at a Monday night "Hip Hop Inaugural Ball" in Washington. They certainly weren't in the spirit of optimism and nonpartisanship. Jeezy proclaimed: "I wanna thank two people. I wanna thank the mother [profanity] overseas that threw two shoes at George Bush. Listen, listen! I wanna thank the mother [profanity] who helped them move their [profanity] up out of the White House ... My president is mother [profanity] black!"

Jay-Z rapped: "You can keep ya puss, I don't want no more Bush/ no more war, no more Iraq, no more white lies, my president is black!"

Looking at rappers like this, you really have to wonder if they really believe their own wealth-building bluster about how terrible America's been to them. What kind of dystopian country have these young black millionaires been living in? Jay-Z was born a few weeks before 1970, Young Jeezy was born in 1977. When they were growing up in the Carter and Reagan years, was America a land of apartheid and oppression? Sadly, some of the most successful hip-hop music thrives on an extreme of pessimism and despair, and spreads it, like poisoned peanut butter. But they never lived it.

2. Will Obama's rise shift black youth away from thug-rapper role models like 50 Cent and toward black high achievers? NBC's "Today" explored the "Harvard vs. Hood" debate over black role models. It was outrageous to find correspondent Jamie Gangel sympathetically painting the gangsta-rapper 50 Cent thusly: "Behind the trademark scowl and explicit lyrics is a smart, soft-spoken businessman who can be very different in private." He doesn't smoke and doesn't drink, she underlined. "Do you think you're misunderstood?" she asked hopefully.

After getting a nod, she changed the subject to commerce: "But he knows what sells. You scare people." 50 Cent agreed: "I know I scare people. That's actually my job. That's why they buy my music. I scare them for $16.99, and they -- and they buy the records and they're entertained by it." Gangel suggested it was all unreal, and therefore innocent. Does this woman fail to understand this guy was a crack cocaine and heroin dealer before being "discovered" by Eminem?

Sadly, when Gangel proceeded to ask young blacks whether President Obama or 50 Cent would be a stronger role model, most picked the rapper, as one said, "because he's cool. I mean, he's what's in. Yes, the highest leadership position in American has changed, but society has still not changed yet." Another added: "I do think that the life experiences of 50 Cent cannot be dismissed, and I think a lot of African-Americans can relate to 50 Cent's experience."

This is where some fatherly fuddy-duddies are desperately needed. Would a "businessman" like 50 Cent have met the favor of Michelle Robinson's father before she brought home Barack? It's nice to visualize a tough old-school dad that would dare to look down his nose at a wildly successful gangsta rapper as more of a menace than a man.

These kids still tried to pay tribute to Obama -- by calling him "gangster." It's partially President Obama's fault. He's been very tight-lipped and cautious about disparaging rappers. He's done it only when pressed, and always with great caution and tributes to rap artistry. He's tried to display how he's down with hip hop. He has copied Jay-Z's moves and invited him to perform at a concert after the Inauguration for his staff party in Washington. What wonders he might work if President Obama would sound much more like Bill Cosby now that he's standing in a powerful bully pulpit. But who will press him to try it?

With reports by Emily Feimster.

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Oh Well
Too bad that's not going to happen. I think our new President's a decent man, but unfortunately, he would never think of putting at risk his popularity and political standing over helping the black community get over their dumb fetish with gangsta rap. But man, would that be something if he'd denounce these shameless and selfish rappers for once!

And as for Jay-Z and Young Jeezy, I'd like to see them try to "negotiate" and "befriend" the terrorists themselves, instead of buying bling bling with their undeserved millions. Then maybe they'd understand that Bush had no choice but to fight back, and that President Obama's diplomacy aspirations aren't going to work.

Ah, the "Wrappers"
Wrapping up kids with their self-indulgent, opportunistic, exploitive, and highly profitable sputtering psuedo-victim chanting.

Today I went hiking (I take kids hiking as often as they will come!) with a young man (18) who has decided he needs to make changes in his life. This young man is from an urban part of NJ and is black. He is smart and fed up with "the 'hood", but had many questions about a great many things. Long story short, he believes:

* Business owners "get rich" off of the backs of employees (which implies inherent abuse). All business is "bad" (except for entertainment, of course).

*America should be destroyed because "it is worse than other countries" toward blacks. He feels Barack's election is the beginning of "black supremacy". He had no examples, but wrappers claim this is true, so it is therefore true.

* That houses should be confiscated from people who "got them by keeping blacks down". Again, no proof, just a generalized anger.

The boy had no understanding AT ALL of personal values, priorities, and the ramifications of decisions made based upon those things. This boy LOVES rap, and literally follows the "teachings" of wrappers- who surely come from the misery wrought by great society ideology and policies. Liberals have been nothing if not thorough in the indoctrination of a couple of generations. This requires "counter indoctrination" measures at a grass roots level. However, it is tough to compete with bling...

Those bleeping rappers
Maybe they took their cues from Dick Cheney who famously told a Senator to go bleep himself on the floor of the Senate, or perhaps they saw the Youtube video of Bush giving the one finger salute at a press conference.

Oldsocialworker in Jersey
Here's something you can try with the next disenfranchised youth who expresses his hatred of America.

Tell him you can situate him so that he no longer has to endure the oppression of the white man, where there are no businesses profiting from the slave labor of his people, and where no one is allowed to illegally own homes.


Tell him he can go to Somalia. Or the Congo, Uganda, or any other country in Africa. Tell him if he's really, really serious about basking in the light of freedom and where there's no evil whites, you will pay for all his relocation expenses if he gives up his citizenship and won't come back.

Let me know if he takes your offer.

By the way, do you know Robyn Spzara?

Nice comback SJ but they can read
or understand. We can't say the N word but they love MF.

PresidentialBalls.com

It Happens To White People, Too!
I can attest that it is not just black people who were oppressed by "the man." My mother, a protestant Christian white woman, was a drug addict and the way she was treated for drug possesion not only harmed her, but her husband (my father, a moderate Jew) and I. When I was eight, my mother needed to go to the bad side of town to "ease her pain" (she could get pretty manipulative when she wanted to, that's what'll happen when you're addicted to drugs.)

As I was saying, when I was eight, my mother dragged me and my dad into taking her to the bad side of town. A couple of cops pulled us over and forced all of us onto the ground, me and my father included. I was hardly aware of what it was we did wrong, which turned out to be that my mother was a repeat drug offender (as in possesion, not dealing.) Still, isn't it telling when the police force an eight-year-old, white, half-jewish-half-christian boy onto the ground like a common thug when he is hardly even aware of his surroundings?

The point of the story is: there IS such a thing as a bad apple in an apple tree, and it doesn't simply target black people. We are ALL targets of a bad apple. We must be very cautious about such an incident happening, god forbid a thousand times, if this happened to many more little kids, black or white.

In a couple of years
when the enormous pressure of the office requires really tough decisions, we'll see one of two things.
1. The President will make wise decisions based on preserving the country, which will make him a "sell-out" (Oreo I think is the term).
2. He'll shirk tough decisions for popularity's sake and really hard times and decisions will fall to the next Republican president.

revisionist history
On the one hand, slavery and Jim Crow was the worst thing in human history -- and the "white man" is responsible for this (sure there were a whole lot of Estonian, Slovenian, Icelandic and Albanian slaveholders and residents of the Jim Crow South) -- yet my history is more like a typical white person. Many of us typical white people had relatives who (1) came to America after the Civil War and (2) resided in the "North." My mother, and my father-in-law have this "typical white person" history. My father and my mother-in-law, who had some ancestors here in America at that time, had relatives who fought for the Union and did not hold slaves. Of course, being the "white devil" I have had nearly 40 years of vile rhetoric from radical revisionist bigots. So, I should be lectured about the "evil" of my skin tone -- but Obama -- who actually had multiple white slaveholding ancestors -- gets a "pass" because of what he "looks like." My relatives living in Western Ireland in the 1840s had a much tougher time than slaves did in America -- that is why so many of them died. Yet, I have no desire to lecture the "English Devil" about his "evil ways" (another irony is that Obama has a decent amount of English ancestry).

Profblog of 2:37
Another fine post. You save me a lot of typing.

Obama and the Rap Sewer
Obviously, many of the black young people need to get an education on how good their lives really are compared to those living in Somalia. How did both blacks and whites allow the musical genius of the great black jazz artists degenerate into the sewer of rap music?

I'm always waiting for a new black talent to emerge from the American Idol contests, knowing that many African-American young people with a natural talent hone that talent in church choirs.

But how far are these young people going to go when their role models are rap artists who desecrate their lives with stupid, obscene lyrics? Is Obama going to be down with "the brothers" or really be a role model for his children and black young people throughout America? It takes courage to reject ghetto culture and we'll see if the new president has the cojones to lead young people away from this sordid "music."

JD's handsome son
I have an African friend who works for UMDNJ who thinks the solution is to send the kids to her old village (she came to the states because of her work with Girl Scouts International) to live live for one month. She says, "They will comeback thin and grateful!". In my experience, so many have be programmed to believe America ruined Africa and the rest of the world. They have it completely backwards and don't know it.

I don't know Robin. I'm in direct service in a school and have been in the same s for 11 years, so my contact world is on the smallish side for a state worker.

When the
welfare checks(called tax cuts) arrive, they can purchase even more THUG "music"

Now that will really stimulate the economy --won't it?

Maybe the auto companies can start producing this "music".

Oldsocialworker
Robyn works for the state of New Jersey, somewhere in the social services arena. I don't know exactly which agency. I assumed it was a long shot.

We're told that Americans are so worldly because our sophisticated technology allows them to "see" the world. What a lie. No American kind could stand one day in the Third World.

He could be great, but....
Ironically, Obama has the power to do more to help blacks and improve education and opportunities for them than anyone else in the history of the nation, all without spending one dime.

He has a lot of appeal and so many people look up to him.

He could do so much if only he used his bully pulpit and said, "Do an hour of homework every night. Turn off the TV and read to your kids. Get a library card. Don't disprespect or argue with your teachers. Don't listen to those people who talk gangs and hood and stuff."

Of course, the Bill Cosby - Larry Elder approach would offend his base.

But if he did that it would help more blacks than any formal federal or state program. And it may cost a billion or two less.

Obama is not even the FIRST ....
NON-Natural Born Citizen sworn in as POTUS.

That honor goes to Chester Arthur.

See:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

For Details.

gangsta
We have entered the age that one cannot say anything negative about a black however factual On the other hand, say anything and everything hateful about whites, especially conservative white males, especially things that have no basis in fact.

Hope and Change!! Sounds like Hamas, who has accomplished NOTHING in centuries, wanting Isreel, who has developed a great civilization in 50 years. Now a gansta developed America!!! Is that what Barry means when he states its time to reinvent the American wheel?

oldsocialworker
My ship carried a cargo of grain from NOLA to Lagos, Nigeria a few years ago. We had 5-6 black crewmembers who simply could not wait to visit their "homeland." The captain told them that he expected no work from them in Lagos -- all they had to do is stand their watches and were off-duty the remainder of the time.

They charged off the ship as soon as we were cleared by port authorities. The captain happened to be walking through their mess a couple of days later and noticed they were all aboard -- not a one was ashore. He questioned this.

He was told something to the effect: "We are not sure were our people came from, but it damn sure wasn't from this hell-hole! These fools ain't our people!" The black sailors had seen nothing that impressed them and one hell of a lot that sickened them.



Interesting
Last time I checked, white kids buy and listen to more rap music then black ones. The fact that Boozwell disapproves of rap music, is a compliment to that industry. Folks like Boozwell hated Elvis back in the civil rights era, and now he is the most celebrated musician in American History. Conservatives should be happy; you guys hate blacks, therefore most blacks are democrats. Conservatives claim that blacks and "white liberals" are racists and race baiters, but I read townhall everyday and there is an article talking about blacks, even though you have a small black audience. We get it. Most blacks are evil and self destructive, and our only salvation is to embrace conservatism. I think I'll take evil and self-destructive for two, Mr. Boozell.

stupidity
Breeds contempt,that is why libs are so contemptible

oldsocialworker says:
"He feels Barack's election is the beginning of "black supremacy""

Pray it isn't a wide spread sentiment.

JD's Handsome Son
The UNDNJ oldsocialworker referenced is the hospital I was referring to the other day. That's where I had my knee surgery performed.

Seadog of 11:04
Education is a wonderful thing, especially as compared to lying indoctrination. This is the reason having integrated schools is a hugely positive thing. Its why Obama could get elected. Most whites have figured out from contact, that black folks are not necessarily evil. Its also why black ghettos are such easy pickings for race baiters. They never see anything different so they are easy to mislead.

As a field engineer with 3 years on ships, the consensus seems to be that Lagos is the bottom and Singapore is at the top, when it comes to just plain pleasant ports.

Gangsta Charm
"'Behind the trademark scowl and explicit lyrics is a smart, soft-spoken businessman who can be very different in private.' He doesn't smoke and doesn't drink, she underlined. 'Do you think you're misunderstood?' she asked hopefully."

Well, if 50 Cent is for abortion, increasing taxes, eats strictly organic and rejects offshore drilling, we may have a future Time Magazine's Person of the Year.

bigfred
Blacks are conservative, they vote liberal. 95% of them, the true racist vote. Go figure. If there is a racist amongst us, it is you.

Pistol
I used to rank Naples at the bottom of the heap, but changed that after making a few trips to West Africa.

Field Engineer? I suspect I served with a few of you types when I was in the Navy. Some of 'em used to work for PACORD, at least the one we had in USS KING (DLG-10) did. Had them on other ships/staffs too, but can't recall for whom they worked.

Stephen
You say that blacks are conservative, but they just vote liberal because they are racist. So if blacks are conservative and racist, would it be logical to conclude that conservatives are racist? Although I am black, I am not
conservative, so am I partially or totally racist? What is your assessment of blacks based on? Is it your personal relationships with blacks (if you have any)? Is it based on liberal voting? If a black person chooses a white liberal candidate over a black one, are they still racist?

\big Fred
If you read Bozell correctly, and if you look at TH from time to time, you will see that all Blacks are racist. All people (of any race) who voted for Obama are racist.

However, for TH posters who regularly write to trash black culture (which they, like Bozell, seem to think is one monolithic entity) or just Black people in general, they are not racist, they are just good conservatives.

Ill save JD's son and Old Social worker
the trouble.

anyone with dark skin is dangerous, criminal, lazy, power-mad, racist, and evil. This applies to children, grandmothers, and college professors, also to people who are half-black, 1/4 black, or who had a black ancestor back in the good old days.

Americans are threatened by blacks, who want to run the lives of the good white people and get their revenge. This is scary because everybody knows that genetically they are a different species, they weren't part of divine design.

Now, maybe social worker, JD's son, Stephen,and Laura can shut up and find something else enlightening to write about. Perhaps a prayer to Sarah Palin, white saint.

Rum Dog
"Perhaps a prayer to Sarah Palin, white saint."

Should've quit while you were ahead.

bigfred77 comment at 11:13
All of the racist policies of this country were put in place by DEMOCRATS. All the southern governors that blocked schoolhouses and sicked dogs on blacks were DEMOCRATS. All of the confederate flags put up on state flags were put there by DEMOCRATS.
The Civil Rights act was passed by a higher percentage of republicans. Most of the changes in the racist policies were made by republicans. Of course, the lying DEMOCRATS that run the schools won't teach the truth because they need you as ignorant of the facts as you apparently are, so you will keep voting for them. Nothing the DEMOCRATS have done for blacks has helped them get out of their slums, instead they have done everything they can to keep them their, telling them they can't take care of themselves and breaking the black family apart by paying black women for each child they have, ONLY IF THE FATHER IS OUT OF THE HOUSE, (courtesy of LBJ). The KKK was an arm of the DEMOCRAT party, and the abortion mills of planned parenthood was started by a DEMOCRAT for the specific purpose of killing black children.
Defy the DEMOCRATS, get a real education and grow up.

hail to the chief
These animals are thugs from the word go. I was raised in an integrated city, and can relate first hand, the blacks never liked whites, and in my humble opinion, never will. I am talking about the fifties generation. I close my eyes and I hear the same comments, and crap that I heard over fifty years ago. The Black preacher at the inauguration could not resist his vitriol toward white, and Asian. Sadly, America will never see racial harmony even with the Black Messiah. what happens when Obama's term is over? Will they riot, and look to change the Constitution? Probably.

hail to the chief
What really bugs me is the hyphenation of Blacks. You know? African American? It is amazing they are the only class of people that have a mandate that they be referred to as" African American. First it was Negro, Than Black, colored, and none are appropriate. If they are so enthralled about Africa, perhaps do a little research, and see how their country treats its people. Genocide,starvation, mutilation of women, and on, and on. Slavery has been long gone folks. If you can't make it in this country, you can't make it all. Ask Michelle, Barack.

Jerseyvet
President Obama has done his part in braking the MENTAL barrier of ALL AMERICANS that a Black man can become the President of the USA the Greatest Nation God created.

As far as rappers are concerned they are entertainers, their job is to entertain! To entertain! To entertain! That is it. President Obama job is to Run the country. To run the country! To Run the country! That is it.

White guys need not apply says Obama..
Here is what OBAMA'S WHITE-BOY Robert Reich said on his blog about WHITE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS:

On his blog, Robert Reich reasoned "if construction jobs go mainly to white males who already dominate the construction trades, many people who need jobs the most -- women, minorities, and the poor and long-term unemployed -- will be shut out."

Are you sorry you voted for him yet?

Read this:

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/22/robert-reich-keep-stim ulus-money-away-from-skilled-workers-and-white-male-contrac tors/

Realety
I am fully aware of the political history of this country. I have a graduate degree and have been a member of the US Army for the last 10 years. I am not a democrat, I am a registered independent voter in the state of OH and have voted for republicans on the local and state level, to include GWB in 2000. The fact is that the Republican Party that you speak of was one of progression. As a matter of fact, many of the racist democrats that you speak of joined the republican party when voters right legislation was passed. Blacks, including MLK, jumped ship from the Republican Party when they selected Barry Goldwater in 1964. The Republican Party is now the Party of "Southern Gentlemen." To be honest with you, I agree with some conservative principles of governing. I don't care for the social rhetoric and believe that black conservatives can effectively contribute and/or provide reasonable opposition to an Obama administration. Bottom line Realety, no matter what the politics yesterday produced, the Republican Party has no black and only 5 non-white representatives on Capital Hill. Thats just something I can't support.

Centrist Black Guy here, LOL
I hope the GOP doesn't really think that Black people hate white people because of a couple of pop stars. I don't look at Ted Nugent and judge white people.

I'm 31, my base of friends extends into every culture. My wife is white. I THINK THAT A LOT OF RAPPERS ARE NOW OBSOLETE. But here's the truth of it. Friends of mine who work in the major music distribs all say the same thing: the wealth of rappers is driven by white kids in the suburbs who want to pi** off their parents by blasting hip hop.

Or at least the hip-hop that gets you guys so rankled. There's other stuff out there, really positive stuff, that's more interesting musically -- but you know how it is with the media, there's more $$$$ in telling people to burn it all down.

Just don't watch this stuff and think that all of black america wants to sell cocaine and burn flags. That's just silly. These guys say nonsense like this, knowing that a bunch of old white guys are going to rant about it on television, then they say "see, old white guys hate black people" and then young white guys say "well, I don't want to be an old white guy that hates black people" and then they buy the record.

It's just one of those silly, pop culture machines, that will exist in some form forever.

We all have better things to do than make it a bigger issue and make them relevant again.

BH

bigfred77
What party put blacks in the highest positions of government, and what party threw them aside for whites?
Andrew Young was in line for, I believe, UN ambassador when Clinton stabbed him in the back. Clinton also refused to help the black candidate for Governor of NY, sending no money fron the party to help.
Colin Powell, Condelleza Rice, Clarence Thomas are just some of the blacks at the highest levels courtesy of Conservatives. Of course, they are not white haters like the race baiting jacksons and sharptons the dems love so much, but they are self made success stories, like Michael Steele, and many other great conservative republican Americans.
The problem is, one party promotes people based on their ability and faith that they can do the job, the other party puts people in place due to their color, and makes sure they don't progress past the window dressing they were meant to be.
What party had race comments and problems running through the last primary seasons election cycle?
How many times did the Dems accuse the Republicans of conduct the Dems were actually doing?
Yes, the Republicans do not appoint people because they are black or any other color, unlike the Dems. But the Republicans do seek out talented people, of all races, and support them to the highest levels.

Kids will always like explicit stuff
Having 43 white presidents didn't stop white guys like Axl Rose, Marrolyn Manson, Eminem or Insane Clown Posse from making explicit music, so what makes anyone think having a black president would stop 50 Cent or Young Jeezy from making explicit music?

The hard truth is that teenagers are NATURALLY attracted to explicit forms of entertainment. That's as natural as girls wanting a nice dress and boys playing with toy guns! It won't stop with a white president, black president, male president or a female president!

Brent Bozell, do you really believe every kid who listened to "Cop Killer " or "F--- the Police" became a violent felon? Hello, a lot of those kids who listened to such songs are now COPS! If the police department fired anyone who enjoyed such songs as teenagers, 99% of the cops under the age of 40 would be fired!

After all, most males my age watched Ninja Turtle or GI Joes, but we never became a Ninja Turtle or a GI Joe in real life! It's just entertainment!

Charles Barkley was right, parents are the real role models, not some athlete or entertainer!

bigfred77
One more thing about the number of blacks elected.
At 13 percent of the population in general, unless they all lived in one state, there is not enough voters to elect people on blackness, alone. If they run on policies the rest of the people don't agree with, or just a slight majority, they lose. So when the country is 86% against abortion without restrictions, and the dems keep runing to kill as many babies, (mostly black, by the way), as they can, you can't blame the republicans for their, (the blacks) lack of winning elections. Look at what blacks do to other blacks trying to make their lives better, through school choice and other social issues. The dems, who own the blacks more than any plantation owner ever did, (because somehow, I guess through their running the schools to keep them ignorant, or jackson and sharpton convincing poor blacks that getting an education is "acting white" they own their minds, too), manage to denigrate any black man or woman that does not owe their success to the white man giving them positions they did not earn.
As long as blacks keep falling for the racist bilge the democrats throw at them, and keep accepting the dems school union ignorance forced upon them, they will not succeed.

Pablo gets it.

But then Brent has to play his role too. Just like rappers have to tear away at the establishment, Brent has to write his blogs about it. Keith O. has to ask the world to arrest President Bush, Ann Coulter has to do what Ann Coulter does.

It's just the way of things. Jeezy makes money rubbing Brent the wrong way, Brent makes his money by being rubbed the wrong way. So on and so forth.

Does anyone here, for a moment think that either Liberal or Conservative media wants real synergy? There's no market for peace, but arguments based on culture, race, religion, class...that's always golden.

FeargalX -- Not that bad
FeargalX,

While slavery and Jim Crow were bad and indefensible it is a great exaggeration to say they were the worst thing in history.

First, slavery was universal for thousands of years. It is nothing unique to the U.S.

Second, there are worse attoricities, Cambodia's killing fields, the Death Camps in WW II, the starvation of millions of people in The Ukraine (my age makes me say "The Ukraine." I know they drop "The" today), the rape on Nanking, the Japanese experiments of living people in WW II, thousands of Aztecs having their hearts cut out on alters, the Soviet Gulags with millions imprisoned and killed, Belguim's actions in the Congo, Saddam's use of chemicals on the Kurds, child warriors in Africa cutting off legs and arms by the thousands, honor killings of girls in the Moslem world.

The list goes on and on and on of humanities acts that make slavery, as bad as it was, pale.

The danger of saying it is the worst is that it makes the U.S. "worse" than it is. Instead of being the country that committed the "worst" attrocity, it is another nation with a mixed history.

Again, I am not denying slavery was terrible. Just keep in in perspective

They have never heard any real music

None of the performers, and 90% of the audience have never heard any music.

The music died when Fred Waring died. No, do not ask, "Who is Fred Waring?"

Remember, the words "Guitar-music" are an oxymoron

The Beatles were not famous for their music, they just put four of the most ugly people they could find, covered their heads with a straggle of hair, and the Garbage Generation cheered.

Elvis was not famous for singing, he was famous for wiggling. It was not until after his death when we heard the advertisement on TV for CDs of Elvis singing Hymns, before his talent became known.

I know this is cut and paste.

I have talked to many people over the decades, and have found that when you get to the bottom line, no one really hates another person because of color, race, gender, creed, or anything like that. Those factors are the identifiers, and what you do next depends on your past experience with such a person, or what you just read in the paper, or heard on the news.

Just the other day I said to a Black man, a Pharmacist, “Do you know what I would do if I saw three big black men coming towards me on a dark street?”

He said, “You would cross the street.” I said, “No, I would say, Good evening Michael Jordan, glad to meet you Magic Johnson, I loved your show Bill Cosby.” He cheered my comment, and roared with laughter.

If you were a steady watcher of the Jerry Springer TV show, and someone told you a Black family was going to move into a house just down the block, you would be horrified.

If you were a steady watcher of the Bill Cosby TV show, and someone told you a Black family was going to move into a house just down the block, you would be thrilled.

You do not command respect, you earn it. If most of the stories in the paper tell about black gang members killing people, the Black community must correct that problem, the white community can’t do it.

Respond please


Please look at the next reply, and please respond. I have posted that several times, and have yet to get even one real response.

White construction workers?
Here is what OBAMA'S WHITE-BOY Robert Reich said on his blog about WHITE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS:

On his blog, Robert Reich reasoned "if construction jobs go mainly to white males who already dominate the construction trades, many people who need jobs the most -- women, minorities, and the poor and long-term unemployed -- will be shut out."

Are you sorry you voted for him yet?

Read this:

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/22/robert-reich-keep-stim ulus-money-away-from-skilled-workers-and-white-male-contrac tors/

Frankly, who can give a rats a$$ about
Frankly, who can give a rats a$$ about these ******s.

Realety
Your argument about blacks not succeeding because of the democrats isn't true. I know plenty of successful black democrats. If 95% of blacks voted for Obama, it is logical to assume that successful blacks voted for him. Democrats voted a black (or half black) person POTUS and Republicans have no significant black representation. Townhall writes articles depicting blacks negitively on a daily bases, with outrageous comments to follow, huffington post doesn't, but somehow blacks and liberals are racist. I guess I will never understand.

Obama asks the GOP
not to listen to Rush Limbaugh and be more bi-partisan, but we haven't heard him speak out against the rappers and Huffinton Post headlines such as "3 days of undoing Bush" and more, He needs to acknowledge the 8 years of mean spirited rhetoric from the left which went beyond differences in values and philosophy and instead went to character assassination and name calling. With this acknowledgement, he needs to speak out in clear tones comdemning what went before.

One thing for sure.

Obama may be in the best position to address the issues of self destructive black behavior.

I WORKED IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY
There is nothing more important then the ROLE MODELS offered to the Black Community.

Unfortunately, my personal experience (documented) have been that black social workers in Kensington Section of Philadelphia have been telling the black youth: (and I quote) "that white man aint gettin you not job!" and "he cant teach you nothin, he white!"

These so-called adults repeatedly undermined my work with Black Youth in the above manner and worse.

The Black Community needs to stop blaming ME for thier problems. My ancestors was working on FEUDAL FARMS in Italy when thiers were slaves.

So, when the Black "Leadership" turns it's back on RACISM, RACISM will turn its back on America!

GO FIGURE.

ROWDY BOOTS

bigfred77
Is it republicans fault that blacks commit 37,460 rapes of white women as compared to 10 whites raping blacks, (2005 statistics,
The Truth of Interracial Rape in the United States
By Lawrence Auster
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, May 03, 2007)? Is it republicans fault that 70% of black children are born to single mothers? Is it republicans fault that black on black murder statistics are 7 times higher than white crimes, while blacks are only 12% of the population?
BLACK ON BLACK CRIME STATISTICS (from the black on black crime coalition website)

While African Americans comprise 12% of the U.S. population, 45% of all murder victims in 2002 were African American, 91% of whom were killed by African Americans.

No sir, those are the direct results of liberal democrats "helping" blacks, like LBJ paying women to through out their men so they can get paid for each child born, and jackson and sharpton telling black kids that an education is "giving in to whitey", and that there is no downside to killing millions of unborn children, so life is cheap, kill anyone you see. It is liberal dems that have stopped the death penalty, and have made excuses for terrible behavior because no one is allowed to pass judgement on anyone elses behavior.
It is the same in politics. Dems can get away with not paying taxes, get caught taking bribes, employ illegals, and keep their positions with the help of the leadership, because they have no ethics or morals.
The liberal dems are following Kruschev, destrying America from within by tearing down the moral fabric of the country. Hollywood and the black community are just the tools being used to do it.

you never understand, bigfred
The facts contradict you. Republicans are happy to try any avenue if it'll help black people. Colin Powell, Condi Rice and others are treated with great respect. How does the left treat Bush? Remember how Whoopi made obscene references to George Bush's surname, telling an audience Bush is her Poossy? She did it publicly before a huge crowd. Did any of them boo?

Nope. Any stick is suitable for whacking a Republican. Even the ones who respect you the most. When was Obama treated in that manner, or any other African American?

Let's "tell it like it is--? Black folks up and down the class levels simply have hearts filled with hatred. Only the relative few who've cleaned up their act are even decent people. That's why they'll raise losers like 50 cent, and Diddy; but hardly ever raise a decent kid. And if they manage to do it; another black thug murders him.

history and the truth is the answer
The only way to silence these bigots is to insist on the truth -- and do not back down. The risk is being called names, being accused of being a racist -- but since they have cheapened any meaning behind those accusations do not let it daunt you. Again, Obama is not the descendent of slaves or even from someone who was subjected to Southern style Jim Crow. He (unlike almost all whites) has white slaveholding ancestry. While slavery and civil rights abuses were "bad" in this country -- it is not worse than what happened to Jews during WWII, the people of the Ukraine during the 1930s, Cambodia under Pol Pot, Armenians under the Turks or the Irish (particularly in the 1840s and under Cromwell 200 years before) treatment by the English.

The fact that it is more than acceptable to listen to bigotry from Obama should upset those of you who are from groups who suffered from acts of genocide. What these bigots do is perhaps even worse than revisionist WWII historians since not only do they implicitly deny our ancestors hardships -- but they also falsely accuse them of being "oppressors" -- when they themselves have such ancestry.

It makes me sick.

A Funny thing happens...

A Funny thing happens to blacks that work hard for everything they have. They begin to vote republican.

compare Bull Connor v. the British Army
We all remember seeing Bull Connor using water hoses against black civil rights protestors in the 1960s. Those of you who may be Irish -- you may have heard of "Bloody Sunday" -- but you may not have the full history. Almost 38 years ago to this day (in 1971) in Derry, Ireland, Irish protestors came out for civil rights and to protest against internment without trial. Some of the Irish threw sticks and rocks. The British Army reaction? Gunfire -- 14 were shot to death, about 20 more were wounded by gunfire. Not one British Army soldier was killed or even shot.

At various times over the past 800 years, Irish have suffered a great deal. Ireland had a lot more people in 1840 than it does today -- I don't think that is true about any other country in the world. Aside from dying trying to leave Ireland, thousands were taken as slaves to the New World in the 17th Century -- thousands were shipped to Australia for petty crimes like stealing food. The British did everything it could to try to wipe out the Roman Catholic faith in Ireland after Henry VIII.

Rowdy
Insist on telling your ancestors history. Insist on explaining that Obama is someone with slaveholding ancestors -- not "typical white people." History teaches us that many "typical white people" only came to the U.S. after the Civil War -- and most of them ended up settling in the North. Even 200 years ago, the way slavery worked is that the very rich held almost all of the slaves. While slavery was negative, it was (and is) not universal to the United States. The reaction you will probably get is anger -- but we owe it to our ancestors to insist on the truth without compromise.

historian's Ireland BEFORE famine
(I prefer the term an gorta mor) in 1839 French historian Gustave de Beaumont who visited Ireland in the mid-1830s wrote in his book"Ireland: Social, Political and Religious", about the state of the Irish. As an objective observer, neither English nor Irish, his observations are invaluable for an unbiased view of living conditions in Ireland at that time:
"I have seen the Indian in his forests, and the negro in his chains, and thought, as I contemplated their pitiable condition, that I saw the very extreme of human wretchedness; but I did not then know the condition of unfortunate Ireland. Like the Indian, the Irishman is poor and naked; but he lives in the midst of a society where luxury is eagerly sought, and where wealth is honoured. Like the Indian, he is destitute of the physical comforts which human industry and the commerce of nations procure; but he sees a part of his fellows enjoying the comforts to which he cannot aspire. In the midst of his greatest distress, the Indian preserves a certain independence, which has its dignity and its charms. Though indigent and famished, he is still free in his deserts, and the sense of this liberty alleviates many of his sufferings: the Irishman undergoes the same destitution without possessing the same liberty; he is subject to rules and restrictions of every sort: he is dying of hunger, and restrained by law; a sad condition, which unites all the vices of civilization to all those of savage life. Without doubt, the Irishman who is about to break his chains, and has faith in futurity, is not quite so much to be bewailed as the Indian or the slave. Still, at the present day, he has neither the liberty of the savage, nor the bread of servitude."

continued...
"I will not undertake to describe all the circumstances and all the phases of Irish misery; from the condition of the small farmer, who starves himself that his children may have something to eat, down to the labourer, who, less miserable but more degraded, has recourse to mendicancy - from resigned indigence, which is silent in the midst of its sufferings, and sacrifices to that which revolts, and in its violence proceeds to crime.
Irish poverty has a special and exceptional character, which renders its definition difficult, because it can be compared with no other indigence. Irish misery forms a type by itself, of which neither the model nor the imitation can be found anywhere else.
In all countries, more or less, paupers may be discovered; but an entire nation of paupers is what was never seen until it was shown in Ireland. To explain the social condition of such a country, it would be only necessary to recount its miseries and its sufferings; the history of the poor is the history of Ireland."

In America today becoming
One of these worthless gangsta rappers is a choice. It's a choice to be a thorn, a destructive, poisonous thron in the side of society. And when they hit it big -- and they're making 10 times what normal Americans make and still biotching and moaning about how terrible America is -- well they should just back their bags and get the FLOCK

black historian WEB DuBOIS
Wrote concerning the Irish who were taken as slaves to the New World (particularly the Caribbean) in his book, Black Folk Then and Now: "Even young Irish peasants were hunted down as men hunt down game, and were forcibly put aboard ship, and sold to plantations in Barbados."

An educational posting that you might gain something by reading is found at: http://www.nde.state.ne.us/SS/irish/unit_2.html

Lipstick on a Pig
Don't look for any improvement from the gangsta thugs the Big Zero courts. They've made a ton of money pimping discrimination, and why should they stop now? There's profit in having no sense of honor, decency or self-respect. We should include the anti-white "reverends" in the gangsta group.

Racism is just as ugly when it comes from the black community. The generation that gave so much of their lives to civil rights cannot be proud.

solution
put all these "gangstas" in a stadium together, give'm guns and let'm all kill eachother.

Realety:
Excellent posts -- you're making really good points.

Funny thing
I just left a party with a bunch of black people. All whom are pretty successful. Rap music played the entire night to include songs from Jay-Z and Young Geezy. We all "work hard" but somehow all of us voted for Obama. I guess I would agree with you guys if I were white, and didn't interact with blacks on a regular bases and all I had to reference were crime statistics and rap music. But hey if you guys enjoy discussing the state of black america without no black dialouge go ahead. Of course you guys arent' racist, like Rum Dog said, you are just good conservatives. I actually admire your distain for black folks and I want to do my part to make sure you continue to have those feelings. With your opposition to blacks and tough stance on immigration, don't know how you guys can achieve an electoral majority in future elections. Losses in NC and VA, it ain't looking good my racists, I mean conservative friends.

bigfred
I have some observations for you. Aside from "what he looks like" what connection does Obama have to "white oppression?" My only answer to that is that he had white slaveholding ancestors -- unlike most of us "typical white people." Obama attended a church where the light skinned pastor (who certainly has white ancestry -- perhaps slaveholding ancestry too) goes off on tangents like discussing the "garlic nosed Italians" and how "people of color" are always "victims." What connection do Italians have to American slavery or the Jim Crow South?

Do you have any idea that the "oppressed Hispanics" were the largest traders in slaves -- and they killed more American Indians than any other group?

Don't you figure than many of us "typical white people" who you claim are all "racists" are sick of historical ignorance and bigotry? Guess what "whites" are not, and never have been, much of a collective group. "Whites" come from different cultures, religions, languages and historical backgrounds. Many have experienced mistreatment for much longer than slavery existed in America.

Blacks in America never went through the kind of suffering many ethic groups went through before they got to America. Civil Rights protestors in Derry got shot by the British government in 1971 -- in America they got water cannons.

It is fine for you to slander my ancestors? I suppose it is fine to falsely charge the Duke labrosse players since they are "white" so therefore "guilty." Did you also like the "castrate" signs the protestors were carrying?

Rubbish...
I only read this because of the 'slim pickens' on TH... everyone swooning over Obama.
These people... rappers, gangstas, the boys from the so-called 'hood' (ie, slums)... are just garbage. In fact, they refer to each other in 'N' terms... so even they know. BTW, that's about the only thing they get right.
Bozell is scraping bottom here. How easy is it to write about how stupid these morons are? All the ink in the world won't change any of it, so I gotta assume he's just going for an easy column-fill.
The subject matter here is sorta like the dung heap in a medieval castle -- you gotta have one somewhere or you end up with little piles all over the place. Ergo, keep the rubbish in the 'hood.' And, Bozell, find something less putrid to write about.

I'm NOT sure I agree-pb
I grew up in a County devoid of Blacks. In my JR
hi school summer (52) I went to OH, Cleveland area, got a work permit at 17, worked for a Construction Co..I worked for 2 Black Masons mixing *mud* & hoisting Blocks. NOT FUN but I had to earn school clothes $..The Father of the pair, very nice man, took delight in telling me about *Black Life in Memphis* saying "U ever spend a weekend in Memphis U won't never wanta be a White Boy again!! He was wrong, but why can't we talk that way NOW??? Just wondering!!

gardenDave
gardenDave
Location: CA
Reply # 42
Date: Jan 24, 2009 - 4:11 PM EST
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That was excellent. If you only read one post on this thread, this is important. Perspective is sadly lacking in our politics today because of the hyper partisan nature of BOTH political parties.

If only they really cared about what is right instead of who is right and had another job lined up so that they could act accordingly without the absolute NEED to be re-elected.

Of course, if that wer the case, guys like Harold Ford and John Kasich might still be in politics and our choice might have been better than John McCain as a "conservative"

Bigfred77
I am grateful that you choose to spend some time here. On another thread you claimed that Dr Sowell and Dr Williams are exploiting blacks to make easy money and I asked why didn't they just swith to O when given a clear opportunity.

If you continue to educate yourself here and blow past the silly rhetoric, I think that you would agree that most of us here would prefer to be governed by a conservative black than a liberal white.

PS: Rap music really is a poison compared to the great black musicians that came before them.

Bigfred77.....to clarify
That should have read, most here would MUCH prefer to be governed by a conservative black democrat than a liberal white republican.

FeargalX
What does slavery, Jim Crow, or the Duke Lacrosse case have to do with this conversation? I have no ties to either and never accused any one of being an oppressor. I am 31 years old and grew up in OH, the only things I know about Jim Crow are from what I've read, studied, and been told by people who lived through it. As far as the Duke Lacrosse case, last time I checked the DA in that case was some incompetent white guy, who was trying to make a political statement. I never said all white people were racist. The bottom line is that blacks and racist whites cannot be politically aligned. Racist whites are more prevelant in the GOP, therefore the majority of blacks vote democratic, plain and simple. It has been that way since blacks were allowed to vote, it is up to the GOP leadership and activist to make those changes if they want more black votes, apparently the don't.

Keep the Change
You are right, I am getting an education. I didn't know that white resement was actually this steep. Sowell and Williams are old men. Those guys can remember life pre 1964. Maybe they still believe in the progressive RNC of the past. Unfortunately that party no longer exist. I will agree that not all republicans are bad, I have a lot of white republican friends. Too bad the far right wing racist element of your party has such a strong pressence, especially here on townhall. Don't think I'll every become Republican and can guarantee, that I will never be conservative. The social rhetoric is too much for me. Good talking to you "Keep the Change."

NEVER argue with a Democrat...........

"Never wrestle with pigs, as you will both be covered in mud, and only the pig enjoys it."

Any questions?

BigFred77
I left the GOP when they nominated McCain with the help of crossover votes. That is unacceptable. I really think the GOP, now that they have also allowed a certified tax cheat to run the IRS, is done. Good riddance. They have abandoned the reasonable conservatives and embraced the Bush/McCain wing that is just as wrong as were Ford, Nixon and GH Bush.

Conservatism, properly applied, will work, but few have the stones to say it, mean it and demonstrate it. When government uses 28 cents of every dollar to administrate services, it is an easy call that they should be doing as little as possible.

The one party rule we are seeing now is a cancer. The hostility to the Christian faith is a cancer. The mainstreaming of radicalism is a cancer. A college professor with no executive experience is as dangerous as letting GWB govern because he could raise money and he had bloodlines. A total disaster albeit with principles and conviction.

I will consider any conservative democrat but I fear that they are nearly extinct. I think that you are using a few childish posters here, selectively reading some points, and painting conservatism with a broad brush. Some of your posts have been reasonable. Others have been just as ridiculous as many of those by the bigots that call themselves conservative. I am still glad that you spend time here.

BigFred
I am an evangelical Christian and at times I call a prayer line, and if the person at the other end is black, it is wonderful, we don't just pray we have church. It is something I have always respected in the Black community,
their faith and their inate ability to express it. However, what I cannot understand is why o
why do almost 95% vote for candidates that have no compunction for killing unborn and abortion surviving babies? That's the bottom line for me, I will never ever vote for someone with
the blood of innocents on their hands..yet these
Christians do. It's as if they edit out every
scripture addressing murder when they vote.
Proverbs 24:11,12 makes no bones about claiming
that you didn't know when someone was being led to the slaughter and you did nothing, He says he knows it and will require they answer Him.
(my paraphrase). And whats with the black pastors, are there any that have the strength of character to teach them or does race trump
God? And if one is Christian regardless of color or ethnic background, Scripture as something to say about listening to impure
words or speaking them, or thinking them.
My husbands grandfather was a Plains indian, unfortunately we learned it following the death of his mother so we were unable to trace him and I have an adopted son whose birth father was black/hispanic and his mother white.

Keep the Change
I admit some of my postings have been outrageous, but you can't bring a knife to a gun fight. The one party rule is a rejection of the Bush Administration. I am sure the GOP will regain house and senate seats in 2010. Don't know how they will address the changing demographis of this country. Although I am not Christian, I agree that there shouldn't be hostility toward any faith. Religous freedom is one of the best things about this country.

PS. I can understand your objection to Rap Music. I don't think your are the target audience. Mr. Bozell is actually throwing these guys a bone. Youg Jeezy and Jay Z can now colaborate on a song called "F__K Bozell the Bozo," it will be a number one hit.

BigFred77
I look forward to more and more reasonable give and take with you in the future.


Roy in WV #68
You mis-read me. I clearly identify the people ("rappers, gangstas, the boys from the so-called 'hood' (ie, slums)...") about whom I am speaking.
As for black masons, you might enjoy a play written by Cormac McCarthy -- "The Stonemason."

Tea Party
I think faith should play a large role in any voter's preference. I am not a Christian, and faith is a pretty complicated thing. Many people don't soley base votes on Abortion. I personally don't agree with it, except for cases of rape or incest, but those that choose it may someday have to answer to a higher power. I respect your faith and good will, and hopefully Christians of all backgrounds can continue to work together to come up with a more unifying message. Sunday is still the most segregated day in America. I think if the GOP targeted these black christians they could get results. Mike Huckabee made a concentrated effort to do so when he ran for Gov in Arkansas. He recieved 45% of the black vote.

PB Wa--Thx
Thx for input-I'm not much into plays, but I'll have my Son check it out for me..The main point I was trying to make was that although That man I worked for and I had a lot in common and I think U both knew it.. We were just PEOPLE trying to make a livin..If ALL OF US would just try to overlook or , at least minimize , as many *differences* as we can things shud get somewhat better. I FULLY UNDERSTAND that PERCEPTION is very real and can be a BIG PROBLEM. have a good day!!

dear FeargalX
Sorry about your Irish ancestors, who are all dear to any Catholic with a sense of justice.

Nevertheless; I have to dispute a casual statement you made here:
" . . . 'oppressed Hispanics' were the largest traders in slaves -- and they killed more American Indians than any other group--"

That's just a lie. Should I say "fib," or mistake?

American Indians were killed, of course. War was something unavoidable with many tribes in the southwest. But killing them was the white man's best-known sport and only ceased a little less than 100 years ago. Read someday the old novel by Helen Hunt Jackson, "Ramona," or see Jimmy Steward playing Tom Jeffords in the old movie, "Broken Arrow."

Every time an Indian in the New World was drafted for hard labor by the Spanish it was with the understanding that he was a human being with an immortal soul. He was brought into the Church as a God's own child. The whole population in Mexico today is mestizo; descending from intermarried Spanish and the Indians. That is hardly what's called racial injustice. Yes, there were many injustices even there. But never racially motivated. Even less so in our southwestern U.S. --by hispanic settlers.

rough road or easy street
If the new kid in town, (Mr.O.) makes decent progress, a lot of his voters will be tough on him. Like a paperboy on a bike heading down a dirt road delivering the news, he will get his ankles bit by the media dogs. If he takes easy street, pandering to the liberal plantation owners, not many will ever vote for a man of color...simply because, the change he promised won't be what was expected.

bigfred
This is what you said:
"Of course you guys arent' racist, like Rum Dog said, you are just good conservatives. I actually admire your distain for black folks and I want to do my part to make sure you continue to have those feelings. With your opposition to blacks and tough stance on immigration, don't know how you guys can achieve an electoral majority in future elections. Losses in NC and VA, it ain't looking good my racists, I mean conservative friends."

Personally, I will not take crap from bigots like you. If you want to be angry at someone, at least chose someone connected with Jim Crow or slavery (like President Obama).

Stop your bigotry, learn something about history.

dreadnaught
Here is the simple fact that I am stating: those who were "hispanics" killed more American Indians than any other "white" ethnic group. This is a simple factual statement. South America (except Guyana, French Guyana and Suriname) was settled by the Spanish and Portugese. South American Indians were killed in the millions. Central America (except Belize) is similar.

The Spanish and Portuguese took more slaves from Africa than the English or French. Brazil has more African descendants than any country outside of Africa.

In America, for reasons stemming from historical ignorance, anyone who claims that they are "Hispanic" is eligible for preferential treatment programs. Certianly, some of those for are "Hispanic" are racially/ethically not Spanish or Portuguese. In fact, many are either black African or American Indian. Most Mexican immigrants are American Indians. People from the Dominican Republic are mostly of black African ancestry. Cuba is pretty mixed, as is Brazil -- Argentina is mostly white as is Costa Rica.

Spanish and Portugese
Of course are the "white man" -- except in America where they are "Hispanics." People can make a legitimate point about English, French, Spanish, Portguese and Dutch world colonies, slavery and empires. What does this have to do with people from Iceland, Estonia, Slovenia, Sorbs, Lemkos or Hungarians? Nothing at all.

People are very quick to say "the white man" did this and that. How is that any different than sayint the "black man" is a criminal?

The best thing about Obama as president is perhaps the danger of people saying that the "white man" is guilty of "oppression." Obama's family had slaves, not mine -- and not most of my fellow other "typical white people." Not only that, but Obama has lived almost his entire life where, by virtue of his skin color, he receives advantages in getting into school, getting a job, obtaining government contracts, etc.

The justification is always based on lies. It comes down to "you people" did this to "my people." In Obama's case his people enslaved many of you "black people." I am sure it makes a lot of people angry to have to deal with the truth -- but it is better to do it now than down the road.

bigfred
Point out "my oppression to blacks" -- go ahead. Don't tell me it is because of what I look like. Be specific what did I do? For that matter, what did my ancestors do?

Do you think slavery and Jim Crow was bad? If so, then why are you not pointing out Obama's family's oppression of blacks? Oh yeah -- since he looks one way, we ignore history -- and then why not attribute what his family did to my family?

You better cut it out. Own up to history.

FeargalX, --FYI
No, ma'am.

You have stated no "simple fact" but a distortion of history.

The simple fact is, and can't be changed; white Anglo-Americans enslaved more Africans than any other group, however guilty. There was a period in Old Dominion (Virginia) history when almost EVERY white home, even the poorest, owned at least one or two black slaves. BOUGHT, not acquired through conquest.

Thankfully, the history of black slavery in America had an end. Thanks to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of WHITE Civil War soldiers. (let's not forget.)

As to the systematic and unjust murders of hundreds of thousands of North American Indians, we can be sure hispanics had only a minor role. And this was one of those necessary facts of life among Spanish settlers. Our own Indians traditionally & culturally had only two deities: Liberty and Warfare.

you are wrong
Here are the numbers of slaves brought to the Americas:

Brazil: 3.56 million
Spanish Empire: 1.553 million
French West Indies: 1.6 million
British West Indies: 1.665 million
USA Brit North America: 453 thousand

Other West Indies (Spanish/Dutch) 528 thousand.

(Philips Atlas of World History p. 126)

Also, to correct you Feargal (also Farrell) is from the Irish Uí Fheargaile) meaning "man of Valor." If I were a woman, the name would (rougly) be Beangal.

numbers are what they are
Brazil, Cuba and the Dominican Republic are what they are. The people were brought from who brought them -- not the English or the French.

I have every reason in the world to claim that the English were the most horrible people in the world (since they were responsible for killing millions of Irish). But, the truth is the truch.

Of course, the English are the reason that more Irish cannot speak the Irish language (in my great-grandparents era the English would whip the Irish in school for speaking Irish). Hence, the reason most Americans only know Irish words like whiskey (Uisce meaning water) and galore (go leor -- meaning "enough or "a lot").

FeargalX
If you would have read my last post and/or all my posts, you would realize that I am not blaming white people for "oppressing blacks" and that when I said I admire your distain for black people and that I will do all I can to make sure you have those feelings, that I was being sarcastic. I've had reasonable exchanges with "Keep the Change" and Tea Party. If you read them, you will realize that I am not an extremist. I do however believe that the changing demographics of the nation will hurt the conservative movement going foward. I am not a member of a political party, and as a black person, I believe that most blacks cannot relate to the GOP. There is a large element within your party that hates black folks, plain and simple. Obviously there are good fair minded conservatives like many of my good friends and commrades in the Army. I enjoy exchanging ideas and debating them on many political and social issues when we are off duty.

the point of most of my posts
Is that history is important and facts are important. It is not as if anything I state is like uncovering history from some lost civilization from 3000 years ago. The stuff that I write about is well documented and not contested by historians.

Republicans "hate black people"
Republicans are doing everything they can to appeal to black people and not appear to be racist. It is gets poined out with the Clarence Thomas, Ken Blackwell, Alan Keyes and Condi Rice appointments. While black people might have an understanding of issues by virtue of being black, the same is true of white people understanding what "whites" believe. I have known both Republicans and Democratic whites who were "racist" to some extend -- and those who are not. There is no question that most blacks want preferential treatment -- and they even want it to be extended to people like Obama -- who once again has no connection at all to American racism (except his family were perpetrators). That is a stark example of racism -- can you defend why someone like Obama should get admission to a college, a scholarship or a job ahead of someone with white skin? Aside from vague claims of "white oppression" and saying that "he looks like a slave" there is no basis to favor such programs.

Slavery...
...has absolutely nothing to do with the foul-mouthed sleaze otherwise known as "rap".

What comes out of the mouths of these low-life rappers is regurgitated hatred and bitterness, and as Brent correctly points out, they have nothing to be bitter about. Besides, music has three elements - melody, rhythm and harmony - and rap is missing two of the three. Not to mention the fact that real music has always uplifted and inspired people. Henry David Thoreau said music was "God's voice". Obviously, God is not a part of what these people are doing in any way, shape, matter or form. Yes, I know that a few so-called rappers do "Christian" rap, hoping to reach the same market that enjoys hearing women referred to as 'bitches' and 'hoes', but the offensive nature of rap is what really appeals to the ill-bred element that buys the CDs these losers put out.

Rap is the artistic equivalent of throwing buckets of paint up against the wall and calling it art. Anyone can curse and anyone can offend - real art inspires and reflects
something resembling beauty.

My own theory on rap is that the main appeal of it is to offend others. If you put a 'rap' fan or even a rapper on a desert island with a boom box and his favorite rap CDs, what would be the fun of that? Driving around, blaring out the vile hate-filled drivel that constitutes rap is what they really enjoy, because it is so offensive. Truly, rap is just shy of actual violence - in fact, it IS audio violence. And that spills over into real life, as rappers seem to kill and be killed at a far greater rate than anyone else in the entertainment industry.

No one posting on TH has ever been a slave or owned one - slavery is totally irrelevant to this article.

history is what it is
Only an ignorant bigot would make the distorted claim that "you people" did this to "my people." I can make a case that Obama actually did this to "my people" since he has about 30% (or so) English ancestry. Irish people do not as a rule use their hardship as an excuse for any current failing. For 800 years, the Irish were repeatedly oppressed by the English. On two occassions (in the 17 century under Cromwell and in the mid 19th century) the Irish lost perhaps half of their population to murder and starvation.

Should I be able to tell Obama that "his people" oppressed my people? Of course not -- different rules for different skin color. Does it not trouble you a bit that Obama's family held slaves -- while he jumps on the "oppression" bandwagon? Probably not since color matters to you, not history.

Certainly, the Republican party is over and done with as a party. I did not vote for Bush in 2004.

I could imagine a conversation
Where Obama, bigfred, Wright and some "white" hispanic like Ricky Martin or Jose Canceco -- would amuse themselves with made up tales of "white oppression" -- of course, it might not make any difference to this group that many (if not most) of them had white slaveholding ancestors. They "know" the evil sould of the "white devils." If I walked into the room, I am sure that I would hear about how I am the "typical white person" who benefits from the current and past white oppression of "minorities." Perhaps even a fake minority like Ward Churchill (who pretends to be an American Indian) and the crying Indian (a garlic nosed Italian American) might join in on the fun. Would you accept me if I got the costume that Richard Pryor gave Gene Wilder in Silver Streak?

the consequence of bigotry
After we invaded Iraq, we saw how bigotry caused Shiites to kill Sunnis (as payback because of Hussein) and Christian Iraqis have nearly been wiped out (because Americans are viewed as "Christians"). Bigotry and ignorance fosters violence. When I was in Ballymena, Ireland 3 years ago, about a week after I left a 15 year old was beaten to death because he wore a shirt connected with Irish nationalism (Celic).

In America today there is a huge amount of black on white violence. I believe much of it comes from people like Wright and Bigfred who will say things like "the white man has oppressed us." Sure, point out that some white guy held your ancestors as slaves -- that means some random white person is guilty. Do you seriously think that any white person who attended a church with someone like Wright as a pastor would have any chance today to be elected to any serious office? What does Wright mean when he says that "you white people" oppressed "people of color" -- is he totally unaware of Ottoman, Japanese, Arab, Mongol and Spanish Empires (in reality, many Ottomans, Spanish and Arabs are caucasians -- but in America's unqiue racial view it might not be the case).

Wright tells young people (like Obama's children) lies which promote hatred and violence.

FeargalX
You mention Clarence Thomas and Obama in your last post. Then you insinuate that Obama got preferiential treatment to get into college. Clarence Thomas and Ward Connely both admitted that they probably were beneficiares of affirmative action. Some black republicans like Powell, Watts, and Steele believe in affirmative action programs, so take that argument to them. I can't relate to preferential treatment, because I paid for my education with the GI Bill and other forms of military tuition assistance, which John McCain didn't support expanding. I'll continue to state that all white conservatives don't hate blacks and I am aware that there are racist democrats, I respect GWB for his appointments of Rice and Powell. The problem is that black conservatives and republicans in general don't actively adress black voters. Obama didn't take the black vote for granted. His campaign held voter registrations in black neighborhoods and he consistently held conference calls with black business owners and explained how his policies would benefit them, while giving campaing updates. His campaign was also very active in the black church. His internet campaign was quite impressive. I think his skills as a community organizer paid dividends, but of course conservatives mocked such experience. It will be interesting to see how the GOP moves foward. I do believe they will gain more house and senate seats next year in more conservative districts, but a new message, ideas, leadership, and legitimate diversity need to be a part of their future plans. You mentioned Ken Blackwell. Being from OH, I can tell you that he will not be an asset to the GOP moving foward. Sure he is a talented guy, but his ties to the Taft Administration and the 2004 OH election debacle hurt him with white conservatives and blacks.

Clarence Thomas v. Obama
Thomas is the descendant of slaves. He grew up speaking Gullah. When he was a child, he was called (by other black kids) America's Blackest Child. Despite coming from a broken family (Thomas grew up with his grandparents), Thomas went to a very good college (Holy Cross University) and graduated with Honors. Perhaps he benefitted, perhaps not -- Thomas has a sticker on his diploma (saying something like 2 cents) because he believes that affirmative action destroyed any sense of achievement (those, including Obama and Biden -- who claim Thomas is "unqualified" are racists -- Thomas had reasonable qualifications for a S.C. justice). It is funny, but Biden (who graduated at the bottom of his class in both college and at an unimpresive law school (had to nerve to tell Thomas in private that he was unqualified for the S.C.). Our preferential treatment programs provide preference to anyone who is black -- irrespective of what actual history they possess.

In America, some people are more equal
than others. Study the bigotry of the Duke campus and the professors who spread lies (about "all whites") and tried to destroy the lives of three innocent kids (I guess because "bad stuff" happend to blacks). The kids on the Duke lacrosse team were mostly from the North -- many have Irish ancestry too. But, "they" are guilty -- Obama -- is a "victim." Has there been any protest against blacks in the past 20 years where people held signs saying "Castrate?" Of course not. See -- any black actor could say anything -- but Michael Richards gets destroyed for acting like an idiot. Al Campanis gets destroyed, and Dusty Baker has nothing happen (even though Baker probably is more likely related to white slaveholders than Campanis).

Please try to defend Obama's selection of a church -- I'd love to see you try. Even though Wright thinks the "white man" is evil, the "white man" is also apparently inept since when trying to "kill people of color" he used AIDS -- which is very slow and much less effective than nuclear weapons, most germ warfare, and chemical weapons. I wonder if you know who Paul Robeson is -- he is someone who did accomplish a lot even when huge barriers were in place.

Obama is a bigot
Aside from his bigotry against "typical white people" he had the nerve to claim that Clarence Thomas was an "unqualified" Justice. Note the irony that Thomas is the descendent of slaves and Obama had slaveholders. Imagine if Jimmy Carter said that Thurgood Marshall was uniquely unqualified for the Supreme Court. Forgetting affirmative action for a minute, Thomas did well at a very good college -- and had important governmental legal positions for years prior to being on the Supreme Court. Certainly, both Sandra O'Connor and Earl Warren had less relevant experience than Thomas when he was appointed to the Court. In terms of objective qualifications (prior legal jobs, experience, etc) Thomas is at least more qualified than 30% or so of justices who were put on the Court over the years.

FeargalX
The incompetent DA in the Duke rape case was white. Very few black students go to Duke and they have very few black professors, so if the campus and professors spread lies about white folks, very few blacks were probably involved. When the media chastises whites public figures, guess who owns media outlets, white people. I am very much for freedom of speech, regardless of what a person says. As long as people aren't being physically harmed, I could care less about what they say. Sure I will provide opposition when I see fit, but I do respect the right to free speech. I don't defend Rev Wright because I am not a Christian so therefore I don't feel it is my place to defend or oppose him. Wright has said things that most Americans disagree with, and the outrage was well noted. Right Wing preaches have been known to say outrageous things also. "America was created to destroy Islam." Pastor Parsley, World Harvest Church, Columbus, OH. I believe their has been plenty of protest against blacks, especially here on Townhall.

those who "need" affirmative action
will never fully succeed. It is like what happened to Caroline Kennedy -- clearly she was going to be picked because not due to merit -- and people figured it out pretty quickly. Personally, I would not like it if people viewed any accomplishment that I had because I had a lower threshold set for me. The only way for it to work would to enforce political correctness even stronger than it is now (nobody who works for a univeristy, the government or a big company is allowed to question preferential treatment -- if you do that you will be terminated). The Paul Robeson example from circa 1920 shows that even 90 years ago -- blacks could accomplish things in this country. The Irish could have felt sorry for themsleves, and blamed the English for all of their problems -- instead they work hard -- and guess what they earn more per capita than the English do. They also mastered the English language -- even though it is not their native language -- people consider the Irish some of the best writers in the English language. Anyone who claims that "affirmative action" is needed inherently believes that blacks are inferior. It is especially humerous when guys like Obama and Powell (who also is descended from white slaveholders) insist that Thomas is wrong when he speaks about affirmative action.

correction (again)
FeargalX

"The stuff that I write about is well documented and not contested by historians."

Oh? Such as telling us Indians of North America were mostly killed by hispanics, not by "white Americans"--? Fat lot of documented -- Quit now, before you sound utterly ridiculous.

the Duke lacrosse case
Nifong was white -- but the electorate was mostly black (they are the majority of the Democrats in Durham County -- though they are a slight minority overall). It is trendy for whites to talk about "white oppression" -- if you do not do this, you never will be hired at most colleges. Universities are so radical they do not even tolerate moderate liberals (see Lawrence Summers with Harvard). What white protest can you note over the last 20 years where people carried signs saying "castrate?" Most white people have no better understanding of history than most black people -- so they actually believe that they are "oppressors" or as some have put it "they benefit from historical oppression." This is what the media and education says -- so it is believed. Like the earlier poster claimed that "Anglos" had most slaves and killed most American Indians -- it is simply not true -- but most people believe it. Most people also believe that "hispanics" have been oppressed, all Arabs are Muslims, and Philadelphia is the state capitol. Most people believe that 2 wrongs do equal a right -- which is exactly why it is ok to wrongly prosecute whites, attack them in the ghetto or make them ineligible for certain programs. The problem is that it provides the seeds for future problems. If "whites" were half as "evil" as Wright believes -- chances all that "they" might want payback in the future. For me, two things are non-negotiable (1) I will not accept any lies or historical revisionism about me or my family, (2) my family and I deserve equal access to programs and treatment by the government.

Excuse me, Bigfred

I take some exception to your poor judgment:

"I am very much for freedom of speech, regardless of what a person says. As long as people aren't being physically harmed, I could care less about what they say."

Sorry; but when rap "artists" (har har) like those you name below "write" a piece in which Brent Bozell is called M---Fu---r in their disgusting verse,

--freedom of speech is clearly being abused by SCUMBAGS of the lowest kind. The fact that scum in the 'hood (or other places) chooses to buy it and appreciate it tells me they're sick. You haven't extolled freedom, you've made excuses for the entire generation of black children who were brought up on scum. They'll remain sick all their natural lives. College and paying jobs won't save them; it's not curable, IMHO.

dreadnaught
Where did I say that North America mostly had "Hispanics who had slaves?" I do not say that. Are you unaware of Brazil's location -- it is in South America. The slave trade in the Atlantic was in all of the Americas.

Point out specifically where my error is. You cannot. Tell a half truth -- and attribute some falsehood to me.

Once again, where do I say anything about North America? Considering only North America -- it is closer -- though Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico and Belize and Panama are in North America -- and had slaves from Africa who compose lots of the population.

4 countries primarily tried to colonize the Americas (though Sweden and the Netherlands also did on a minor level). Those empires were Great Britain, France, Portugal and Spain. France had Quebec for a while -- parts of what is America, many Islands and part of South America (French Guyana). Spain had what today is Florida for a time, American South West, Islands like Cuba and Puerto Rico, most of Central America and about half of South America. Portugal had some islands and the other half of South America.

Brazil imported more slaves than any place. Portugal was able to do this in part because they held Colonies (until the 1970s) in Africa like Angola and Mozambique.

Angola had an Apartheid type of system until Portugal pulled out in around 1975 (John Kerry's wife is a white Angolan).

a lesson on dishonesty for dreadnaught
Here are quotes from my posts:

Brazil, Cuba and the Dominican Republic are what they are. The people were brought from who brought them -- not the English or the French.

* * *
Here are the numbers of slaves brought to the Americas:

Brazil: 3.56 million
Spanish Empire: 1.553 million
French West Indies: 1.6 million
British West Indies: 1.665 million
USA Brit North America: 453 thousand

Other West Indies (Spanish/Dutch) 528 thousand.

(Philips Atlas of World History p. 126)

* * *
Spanish and Portugese
Of course are the "white man" -- except in America where they are "Hispanics." People can make a legitimate point about English, French, Spanish, Portguese and Dutch world colonies, slavery and empires. What does this have to do with people from Iceland, Estonia, Slovenia, Sorbs, Lemkos or Hungarians? Nothing at all.

* * *

Here is the simple fact that I am stating: those who were "hispanics" killed more American Indians than any other "white" ethnic group. This is a simple factual statement. South America (except Guyana, French Guyana and Suriname) was settled by the Spanish and Portugese. South American Indians were killed in the millions. Central America (except Belize) is similar.

The Spanish and Portuguese took more slaves from Africa than the English or French. Brazil has more African descendants than any country outside of Africa.

Please either admit your dishonesty or directly respond.

a lesson in irish
Those of you who would rather lie and be sloppy and read my posts and learn something you can all "pog mo ban thon" (not sure how to do the accents on this script).

That sounds like this "poge muh baan (t)hone"

Mr dreadnaught
I will agree to disagree. I believe you and maybe FeargalX are older then me (I could be wrong, and apologize if I am; I am 31) and our opposition may be generational. I went to high school in a suburban district in the Columbus, OH area and the middle upper class white kids enjoyed rap music too. I now live in the metro DC area and hang out with friends off different races. At many of the local hangouts the young white adults enjoy and dance to rap music. No rap artist has actually written a song referring to Mr. Bozell in that manner, I was just using that as an example of how that industry strives off of oppositon. Rappers will benefit whether or not you like them. If you publicly oppose them, you are old, not cool, and they can make records mimicking you. If you somehow like a rap artist, they can say, look I am so cool that this old white person likes me. Musicians are liberal by nature. Jazz, Rock N Roll, R&B and of course, Rap have always challenged social norms. Country music is the exception, but even many of their successful artist like the Dixie Chicks, Faith Hill, and Sheryl Crow are liberal. I don't disagree with opposition to rappers, although I listen to the music, I fully understand why someone would oppose the language that they use.

dreadnaught
wrote: "Oh? Such as telling us Indians of North America were mostly killed by hispanics, not by "white Americans"--? Fat lot of documented -- Quit now, before you sound utterly ridiculous."

Seriously, is there something wrong with you? How exactly do I sound "utterly ridiculous?"

I state with specifity points -- and instead of either reading them or trying to figure out whether these facts are true -- you lied about what I wrote.

Why not make some effort to learn something? I will give you an examples of somethings that might seem a little odd, but are also true. Dublin was founded by Vikings and London was founded by the Roman Empire.

If you twisted this around to say "FeargalX is ridiculous, he things London is in Italy and Dublin is in Norway" that is an example of what you just did. I stated a documented truth about history, and rather than acknowlege that you twisted what I wrote into a distortion.


when will dreadnaught respond?
Of course, there is no response. Perhaps dreadnaught will write something untrue again. Again, I am not reciting some unknown aspects of history -- nor am I writing about cultures from 3000 years ago.

The numbers are the numbers. Brazil's history is what it is -- so is Portugal's history. There is no alternative view of this history -- just like it is known that the U.S. and Japan fought in World War II and Lincoln was killed in 1865. They are just facts of history.

generational opposition?
Bigfred my opposition has nothing to due with our age difference (apparenly I am about 8 years older than you). You simply believe facts that are not true -- and you are quick to claim things like "white oppression." I grew up in a place where it was not really accepted to use bigoted terms. It was not unusual for me to be the only white kid playing with other (mostly black) kids. As a kid, my next door neighbors were blacks -- and three of them were close to my age.

Let me ask you a personal question -- what would you do if you found out that you had 2 white g-g-grandparents? How would you feel if (like Alex Haley, Morgan Freeman and Muhammed Ali) these relatives were not "rapists" they were legimately a "couple?" Are many blacks angry with the fact that this is their heritage? Growing up, my friends (whose parents were from Jamaica) would openly talk about the fact that they had some English ancestry too -- no big deal to them.

I suppose the problem for you might be that you can look at "white" people -- but few of them are in any way related to the difficulties you perceive. Many white ethnic groups only came to America in the last 100 years or so -- and nearly all of them moved to cities in the North.

When you say "you people" oppressed "us" -- you may have to deal with the fact that "you" have the ancestors who were the oppressors -- unlike many of us "white people."

I also want to know -- assuming you are pro-affirmative action -- how in the world should somebody with Obama's background be a recipient? For that matter, why should anyone unconnected to slavery in the U.S. (or at least in the Amercicas) benefit from such a program? Should I benefit from such a program if I pulled a "black like me" or a "soul man" move? It is all really "what you look like?"

I'll say something true
Saying truth to FeargalX.

I have no untruth to tell here; I gave an opinion about ethnic types. Not stereotypes, just one ethnic group; for which I make no apology.

So far, I have no dog in this fight. I only know FeargalX (I took him for a gal) is a pest. It's just when you think you've answered his cheeky post that he's gathering up steam for another dozen posts, all clutter and nothing very interesting.

That's the truth. I actually wish he'd get to the point. Will he say it and stop his Niagara Falls of encyclopaedic Irish history and other nonsense? Ahhh HOPE so!

dreadnaught = no accountability
Dreadnaught lied about my posts (not having to do with Ireland, having to do with slavery and conquest of the Americas). Rather than trying to learn something, or having the honesty to admit that dreadnaught's posts distorted what I said, it is way easier to just engage in name-calling. Sure, I am a pest -- I am sure you could think of other insults as well. But respond to what I posted, and what you wrote.

If someone claims that Obama is from an oppressed background, or that "Anglos" had most of the slaves, I will correct those "facts" -- since they are not facts.

Ireland is very relevant to this discussion as people call all "whites" oppressors (or being guilty of benefitting for their ancestor's oppressions) -- as it provides a stark and clear example of why such a generalization is totally untrue.

The fact is that my ancestors had it way more difficult than anything Obama's ancestors went through (aside from his one Irish-Catholic ancestor from county Offaly -- that is about 1/32 or so of his ancestry). So, I will not put up with lies from either you or Bigfred -- or anyone for that matter.

dreadnaught, to make it easy
Read again these posts -- you lied

You wrote: "Oh? Such as telling us Indians of North America were mostly killed by hispanics, not by "white Americans"--? Fat lot of documented -- Quit now, before you sound utterly ridiculous."

I had previosly written:

Brazil, Cuba and the Dominican Republic are what they are. The people were brought from who brought them -- not the English or the French.

* * *
Here are the numbers of slaves brought to the Americas:

Brazil: 3.56 million
Spanish Empire: 1.553 million
French West Indies: 1.6 million
British West Indies: 1.665 million
USA Brit North America: 453 thousand

Other West Indies (Spanish/Dutch) 528 thousand.

(Philips Atlas of World History p. 126)

* * *
Spanish and Portugese
Of course are the "white man" -- except in America where they are "Hispanics." People can make a legitimate point about English, French, Spanish, Portguese and Dutch world colonies, slavery and empires. What does this have to do with people from Iceland, Estonia, Slovenia, Sorbs, Lemkos or Hungarians? Nothing at all.

* * *

Here is the simple fact that I am stating: those who were "hispanics" killed more American Indians than any other "white" ethnic group. This is a simple factual statement. South America (except Guyana, French Guyana and Suriname) was settled by the Spanish and Portugese. South American Indians were killed in the millions. Central America (except Belize) is similar.

The Spanish and Portuguese took more slaves from Africa than the English or French. Brazil has more African descendants than any country outside of Africa.


You simply are unable to deal with direct facts, instead (to prove how "smart" you are) you will lie and distort.

I don't post on hockey, opera or 19th Century literature since my knowlege is limited on those subjects. You should either (1) try to learn, or (2) post on boards where you have knowledge base.


FeargalX
Guess what. I don't have to go far to find white hertage in my family. My great grandfather was also white. My grandmother brought my mother to OH from Knoxville in the 1960's. My great grandmother was a share cropper in rural TN and she had a relationship with a white man. This wasn't socially acceptable back then so they parted ways. I have stated that I have no problem with white people and that I haven't blamed them for oppressing me. I have no direct ties to slavery, Jim Crow was before my time and not relevant to where I grew up. As far as affirmative action, I believe it should apply in some cases. Not on the bases of race, but economic status. I don't have children, but I earn a decent wage and live in a nice neighborhood. If I did have children and they were competing for a job, scholarship, internship, etc. with a white kid from an underprivilaged background, all things being equal, the white kid should get the nod. You keep stating that I claim white oppression. I am satisfied with my life, comfortable in my own skin, and love this great land of ours. When I joined the military, I took an oath to defend America, and it has been the best 10 years of my life.

My advice for FeargalX


Go piiss up a rope, Boredom Peddler.

bigfred's ethnicity
Is very common. Most people who are black Americans are actually a combination of Sub-Saharan African and Western European Ancestry. PBS did a story regarding the family backgrounds of about 10 famous black Americans (including Chris Rock, Morgan Freeman, Tina Turner and some others). I believe that every single one had some European heritage. Because ethnic and racial oppression cannot really work without a unified large government, in the 19th Century (and before) there were many consentual relationships between blacks and whites. After Plessy v. Ferguson (Plessy was chosen by the railroad companies to be an ideal plaintiff against mandating segregation since he was only 1/8 black and looked white) -- our country moved in the direction of segregation. President Wilson re-segregated civil service in around 1915. Most whites really had nothing to do with any of this since so many of "us" only came to the United States after the Civil War. It is exactly why I get so upset when people will say "you people" oppressed "our people." Obama (and I suspect Wright) are common examples of those who are descended from slave holders (unlike virtually all whites).

dreadnaught
What a great response! Apparently, I do not bore you since you spend time posting insults about me. I think that time would be better spent improving your reading comprehension abilities (which are apparently pretty poor) and learning about history. I guess you feel that your time is better spent coming up with ad hominem attacks on me instead of trying to educate yourself -- which means that you actually are not bored by me.

educate me?


Don't educate me; I came here to say a word in defense of Brent Bozell.

I'm quite capable of Googling for the massive cut and tapes you bring here. just keep them, thank you.

cut and paste
is the term. Most of my postings were not "cut and pastes." I physically have the slavery world atlas about 3 feet from where I am sitting. For the most part, I do not have to look up geographical locations.

The fact, once again, is that most slaves that were taken to Africa and put into slavery in the America, were put in that place by Portuguese and Spanish slave traders. Moreover, those groups killed millions of Indians (in part, because some had large empires that could be destroyed). Even today, in many of those countries the native Indians are treated poorly (some cannot speak Spanish or Portguese either).
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