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Saturday, September 06, 2008
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Toxic Beverly Hills
by Brent Bozell
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For months, the CW network has been pushing its reworking of the old teen soap "Beverly Hills 90210." When it finally debuted, Entertainment Weekly magazine joked: "'90210' is the Sarah Palin of TV shows -- it's new, it's pretty, few people have seen it in advance ... and its main purpose is to remind you of a trusty old product while adding some new vigor and soap opera to the cultural discourse."

Put aside that nasty insult aimed at the new star on the political scene. It's the "new vigor" phrase that's salient. The lame, recycled "90210" opened with -- an oral sex scene.

Mark your clocks: That's five minutes into the family hour, at 8:05 p.m. Eastern time. That's 7:05 p.m. Central, when teens have just finished supper. The strategy to lure teens with adult sexual matter continues. Those teens -- it is a show for teens -- were introduced to the refurbished show's brand-new teenager characters by having a girl walk up to a car in the school parking lot on the first day of school, and find her love interest in his car with a sort of panicked, yet winded reaction. Then up came another girl's head from his lap.

Obviously, this show is high on over-the-top shock and low on authenticity if it thinks that in broad daylight, at school bus-unloading time, teenage boys are having sex in the driver's seat of their cars. But all that matters is the shock.

CW executives might argue that the audience approves of this show. Publicists crowed that the "90210" debut set "network records," but this is like saying someone achieved their personal-best 100-yard-dash time of three minutes. It brought in 4.9 million viewers. But the cable network TNT easily topped that with their new legal drama "Raising the Bar," which opened with 7.7 million viewers. It's also unclear if the show's ratings will remain at the debut's level now that the curious viewer caught a sleazy sample.

As for the show's stars, they're already showing time-honored Hollywood hypocrisy. Jennie Garth, one of the original "Beverly Hills 90210" stars who signed up for the sequel, suggested parents should watch the show first before letting "your young kids" watch it. When asked if she would let her young ones watch, Garth exclaimed "Hell, no!"

The CW executives failed to screen the show's debut for TV critics, probably because they knew it was going to be mocked as sub-standard. More importantly, they refused to screen the show for CW affiliates, this despite promises they've made to regulators in Washington that program managers out in the community could have some say in their programming. How many affiliates would have flat-out refused to run this trash? They also refused to screen it for advertisers, but they caved halfway and eventually showed it to advertising agencies.

Kristin Dos Santos of E! Online was astounded at the sex plot and confirmed the suspicion that top brass pressed to add smut. She told "CNN Headline News," "I was shocked when I saw that because I had read the entire script, and that was not in the original script." She said CW hadn't finished filming yet. "So clearly, someone, a higher up at the CW, whoever it may have been, decided at the last minute that they needed to inject some sex into the show to make it more like 'Gossip Girl,' to create a bigger buzz."

CW knows no bounds in creating "bigger buzz," and will stop at nothing to get children to watch its smut. They marketed this '90210' debut with the shocking sex plot by using BusRadio -- a service that broadcasts audio exclusively into school buses populated with children as young as 6. The BusRadio website aggressively boosted the debut, complete with video clips touting the show: "Get ready for the two-hour event everyone will be talking about."

One critic of the relatively new bus service struck the obvious note: "BusRadio sells itself to school districts as an age-appropriate alternative to FM radio, but once again they've demonstrated that they don't know or don't care what age-appropriate means."

The show is also being promoted on such child-centric merchandise as backpacks, school supplies, cosmetics, T-shirts and sweatshirts. The CW network continues to enjoy marketing sexualized programming to children. It's surprising there's no word yet on whether CW will introduce its own line of promotional condoms or other sexual products.

The flailing, failing CW network is in dire straits. Their overall ratings stink. Their CW-affiliated stations are beginning to drop the "CW" out of their station logos -- and that now includes even Chicago powerhouse WGN, their signature affiliate. This sleaze-selling strategy will result only in the latest in a line of CW flops and fiascoes.

In the meantime, now, thanks to CW, parents have to worry about poison on school buses.

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And I Should Be Concerend Why?
I admit I watched the whole two hour premiere and it wasn't anything I've ever seen before, just pretty much the same type of OC crap that's been on before. For some reason though, the whole oral sex thing went over my head, so I hardly noticed (By the way, I watched the premiere episode TWICE, so it pretty much went over my head.) I did enjoy seeing Jessica Walters from Arrested Development, the greatest live-action comedy series of all time, back on TV again, though.

When he says children are being targeted, does he mean ten or twelve-year-olds or teenagers? I could understand if it was being targeted to anyone under fourteen, but as far as I'm concerned (from the POV of a college student), I hardly see how a seventeen-year-old is considered a child. I also have backpacks, sweaters, and condoms, so maybe I'm part of the demographic anyway.

I do wonder why any show would be promoted on a school bus anyway. Why do they even have radio broadcasts on a school bus anyway? Since when are school kids supposed to listen to the radio on a school bus? The last time I was on a school bus was about six years ago, and I never once heard any school bus radio broadcast if at all. Usually, you weren't even allowed to carry a radio onto the school bus, as I recall. It seems like another taxpayer boondoggle that really needs to be cut out of the Dept. of Education, if not the whole department itself.

I've always wondered as to what extent TV networks interfere with the production of TV shows, as I have always read these stories about writers being hampered by network executives to come out with something edgy or cutting edge. The best caricature of that is Lindsey Nagel from The Simpsons, when she even comes on the stage of Krusty the Clown's French restaurant sketch and gives him note in the middle of taping his show ("We're losing the 18-49 demographic. Can you get jiggy with it or something?")

7Sticks
You shouldn't be concerned with it right now. Maybe when you grow up, have more responsibility, a job, a wife some kids and start seeing what is happening in our culture, maybe then you will notice the oral sex scene.

In the mean time study well, because if an oral sex scene goes over your head, you have lots to learn.

Sex on TV
I would first like to address the thought that high schoolers aren't participating in oral sex in the high school parking lot. That is ridiculous and unrealistic. I am 24 years old and kids were doing that stuff my freshman year of high school. In fact, I got the pleasure of catching a personal friend in the act. It happens and if you don't think that it does, then you need to re-evaluate the society that you think we live in. I watched that show and I thought that it was pretty much like high school, except for the extravagant spending of money. Although, that could be due to the fact that I am from a small town in Indiana. Other than that, all the drama and drama over stupid stuff that won't matter latter in life, is really pretty accurate.
Secondly, I agree with 'The7Sticks' on who they are advertising to. My niece is ten and she rides the bus and watches TV. She saw the advertisements and was even at my house on the night of the premiere. When I put it on that channel, she asked what we were watching. I told her and she asked to go watch the TV in my bedroom. I was fine with that and after I saw some of the content, I was so glad that she was watching SpongeBob instead.
That being said, I think that the biggest problem with sex on TV is that parents don't talk to their kids about sex and sometimes, TV doesn't portray sex in the most realistic light. And that gives kids the wrong impression. If parents and kids were open about sex, then it wouldn't matter what they showed on TV because the kids would already know the truth. So should we really judge the shows on TV for teaching our kids what we don't want to because it makes us uncomfortable. I think that biggest way to teach safe sex and abstinance is an open dialoge. That is how I grew up and both my siblings and myself waited until we were in serious, committed relationships to have sex, and one of my siblings is a boy.

Brent you ignorant "media whore"
All that's going on in the country right now and this is what you come up with?

Don't like the show?

Don't watch the show.

Next topic: Why is Jamie Lynn Spear's Mom negligent but Bristol Palin's Mom should be VP? Double Standard?

Good Article Mr. Bozell
The smut those left coast eggheads put on the "BOOB" (pun intended) tube is ridiculous. It just reveals clearly the continual slide into the moral cesspool perpetrated by the Leftists in targeting the youth of our nation.

That's Entertainment?
Mr.Bozell gets whacked by some posters every time he critiques these trash shows. That is his job. Get over it! Some adult has to get the word out.

Three or four years ago,in my town, some kids were in class. One teen performed oral sex right there in the classroom! Some others said it was not the first time.

With one-quarter of black kids here having STD's, it is imperative that some grown-ups take action to prevent it.

It is not more education our youth need to prevent premarital sex. It is higher morals.We can blame lack of morals on the left.

Degenerate Left
Hollywood home of the Liberal Left Degenerates, where nothing is out of bounds and all is fair game including your Children. No limits, no Boundaries, anything goes thats Hollywood.

Write CW
I've written them and expressed my feelings. We do not have cable or dish. Our options are limited, and we read alot. We do have grandchildren though. Thaks for the heads up.

Mean People Suck
Ever see that flick from 2000? One character (played by super sweet squeaky clean Beverly Mitchell) is seen performing fe!!atio on a teen in a church! On 7th Heaven she's a minister's daughter AND a pastor. Yet SHE kept her role when sleazebag Aaron Spelling tossed Jessica Biel for some fairly tame lingeries shots in Gear Magazine.

-Ray

Oh, please ...
Spare me the tired argument, "People are doing it anyway." Hello? Since the human race has been around for millennia, and sex is the way we propagate, I think we all know that part.

The issue is sex portrayed out of CONTEXT, without JUDGMENT or CONSEQUENCES. In the real world, when teens have sex, they don’t just deal with pregnancy. They spread sexually transmitted diseases. And girls, in particular, suffer from low self-esteem that produces eating disorders, bulimia, depression, self-mutilation, or even suicide attempts. This isn’t shown on TV.

TV shows don't "reflect" what teens are doing; they ENCOURAGE teens who already tend to be ignorant to engage in irresponsible behavior by creating an even stronger perception that (a) everyone's doing it, (b) it's fun and recreational, and (c) there are no consequences - or none that cannot be neatly solved in 42 minutes.

That we let big corporations do this to children is, in my opinion, abuse. Our culture screams about tobacco companies having characters or advertisements that they claim "appeal to children," or the odd billboard that advertises weapons sales. But when the primary entertainment media in every home is SATURATED with unrealistic depictions of dangerous sexual promiscuity, it's suddenly, "Oh, big deal."

Teens smoke, too - we don’t stand for that. They drink and drive - we don’t accept that. They bully other kids - we try to change that. Irresponsible and promiscuous sex is one of the few - but one of the most critical - places where adults REFUSE to be adults. It's not about the TV shows, it's about us.

I agree with those who say, "Turn off the TV." Good start. And then refuse to support the companies that advertise their products on those shows. Then push for legislation that allows cable a la carte. If we could order and pay for only the channels we wanted, a lot of these networks would dry up and go away.

Laura
Nicely put. My sentiments exactly

The joke is on parents
I can honestly say that I am outraged at what I see passing for child and teen oriented shows. From shows like "Gossip Girl" to the "reality" shows, I can't believe how low our culture has sunk.

But here's the main point: It is up to the PARENTS to make sure that trash doesn't come into your house. My kids are grown now, but when they were teens, I made sure they understood that as long as I was paying the bills, I would decide if they could watch a given show. We parents make the rules.

And yes, after the first couple of years, MTV didn't play in my house anymore.

Turn off fhe tv, don't give kids tv's or
computers in their rooms, be parents and not buddies, realize 7 year olds are wearing *bras,* 11 and 12 year old girls are being mocked for not having boyfriends and sex, and the liberal sexual revolution has devolved into a unending orgy for teenaged boys who now facilely can demand their poor *girlfriend* of the moment do a threesome with them or make them *private* pornos while all are still in 6th, 7th, or 8th grade. Forget high school.

They aren't cons. ideas, nor are the 56 venereal diseases concocted in the last 40 years because just two weren't enough, nor is the cancer rate from HVP that's now higher for oral cancers than tobacco products.

Where there is a will there is a way.
But kids who have dinners with their families and have at least (merely one) night a week of some family activity are 100s of times less likely to use drugs and/or indulge in sexual precocity.

(Actaully, as to the drugs, once they are doing drugs, the sex is a given. It's the whole purpose of drugs to begin with,another successful lib. policy: the drug culture.)

Just don't watch/Leo
That is the answer. DO NOT WATCH!

But Leo....,Laura was talking about standards, and good taste. You have many problems it seems.I just do not understand some of your word choices here.Conservative sex haters?Christianist propaganda?Aaaak!!!!

There are many shows for you to watch with no standards or taste.It's a veritable smorgasboard of mindless dribble.Apparently this is what you consider entertainment. No worry honey bunny.....,even if the NEW 90210 goes off the air very quickly, you and your remote will be fine.

Laura is right. You're not.

And as for your knowledge of History...,it would take a TOME , not just a posting,to straighten you out.

Bo-Toxic in Beverly Hills

OK, so I have been to Beverly Hills, and admit that it has more than its share of the beautiful people. But does this make it worth a glorified soap opera?

The good news is that CBS was forced to cancel an even worse show called Swingtown, which was about wife swapping in the 1970s, due to a lack of viewers.

The networks seem determined to "push the envelope," no matter what the cost, and then they have the nerve to whine that no one is watching.

The enormous ratings of the Olympics shows that there is a huge audience out there, if the networks show something worth watching.

Out of curiousity...
Does Brent ever go after Fox network? I mean they created the trashy show network when they debuted. Not that he wouldn't because they own Fox news. Just wondering.

Ron ROTFLMAO
What you are saying is true: making trashy shows and then having conservative commentary to complain is like having a tow truck driver go out and cause accidents, and then offer to tow the victims to his repair shop.

Don't confuse the show with the
real school. My daughter graduated from Beverly Hills high and she's quite normal.

the audience approves?
Speaking as a male who was a teenager at one time (I can't speak for the girls), I can state categorically that the male teen audience would WILDLY approve if the show were nothing but one solid hour of dyke porn. Audience approval is irrelevant in determining if the show's content is WISE.

Teens are already doing this stuff? Teens smoke, too, but guess what the libs would say to a smoking scene.

Teens are already doing this stuff BECAUSE the media tells them, "Everyone does it, and it's OK for you to do it, too. There are no bad consequences." DUH!!!!

TV is reality with teens
Shocked at what you saw on 90210 with the girls head coming up from the boys lap. Try what happened in our school district. On a long bus ride to a ball game in the back of the bus a girl did oral sex on one of the boys. oh and by the way the boy was the star of the ball team and the girl one of the most popular cheer leaders.

So they still transport boys and girls to the games on the same bus but they have to sit on different sides of the bus.

And by the way If you want to go looking for the sexiest TV show on the air, go to the Fox channel to find them. And they are VERY popular with teens.

Why difference between Spears and Palin?
Re: "Why is Jamie Lynn Spear's Mom negligent but Bristol Palin's Mom should be VP? Double Standard?"

The only double standard there is the fact that Spears is worshiped by the MSM while Palin's daughter, a private citizen, is the intended object of destruction by that same MSM.


Oral sex is not sex
Mr. Bozell seems to have forgotten an important fact. Not so many years ago an American president (Bill Clinton) redefined sex by stating that oral sex was not really sex. So what is a poor teenager to think?

This Bozell article has some merit
for three reasons. One,the CW is not a subscription only pay channel.Two, this program is about high school students. And three, it is being advertised on Bus Radio which I knew nothing about until reading this article. I have slammed Bozell in the past when he has written about programs that are on pay channels for adults and said former child stars shouldn't ever star in adult programming. This is different. I think that ending the "bundling" of Cable TV programming ,allowing consumers to buy al a carte would be a good solution to this stuff,but being a good parent and knowing what the kids are watching is the best.

Mother Spears and Gov. Palin
Mother Spears is negligent because she has one teenaged daughter pregnant and one who has had to go into rehab as a young adult, and because Mother Spears is out writing tell-all's about her child! Also, Mother Spears had no problem pushing her kids into the media spotlight for the monetary benefit of the family.

Gov. Palin, on the other hand has 5 kids, none of whom is a candidate for rehab, one of whom is serving in the US Army about to deploy to Iraq, and her pregnant daughter was not out presenting herself as some role model for America's teen and preteen girls. And Bristol Palin's mom will only be VP if she is elected, and the last time I looked at the Constitution, there was no prohibition of candidates whose children made personal mistales in their private lives.

And if we're going to get into the disqualifications of parents because of the misdeeds of the childresn, then why was Al Gore worthy of being VP when his son was getting into trouble with the cops for speeding and using marijuana? Shouldn't Al have been dq'd from the job too?

Re:Ron
Yes, Brent has been after the FX network and some Fix shows, especially "Nip Tuck" and some of the things there. But the main difference is that Fox will show edgy-to-over the top stuff, but they mainly use FX to do it, not their usual Fox Network shoes (even though American Dad and Family Guy are out there sometimes), and Fox Network usually places their edgy stuf on late primmetime to avoid the kids market. When you put a show on like this earlier in the evening and start to market it to the teen-preteen market, you can have some serious backlash, since CW is not a cable channel the viewrs have a choice in recieving.

Was just curious...
I don't watch much more on TV than docs and PBS but do have a feel about the shows that are on when I pass over them, but I do recall Married with Children was primetime when it was on, so long ago.

Flagwaver Location: NC
Reply # 1
Date: Sep 6, 2008 - 12:35 PM EST
Subject: Re:Ron
Yes, Brent has been after the FX network and some Fix shows, especially "Nip Tuck" and some of the things there. But the main difference is that Fox will show edgy-to-over the top stuff, but they mainly use FX to do it, not their usual Fox Network shoes (even though American Dad and Family Guy are out there sometimes), and Fox Network usually places their edgy stuf on late primmetime to avoid the kids market. When you put a show on like this earlier in the evening and start to market it to the teen-preteen market, you can have some serious backlash, since CW is not a cable channel the viewrs have a choice in recieving.

BLAME IT ON SLICK WILLIE!
He is the one who, by his own actions in the White House with an young Intern, told American young people - oral sex is not really sex! In addition, the new shows are really pathetic - I don't watch them - what I read is enough for me! Fortunately, my children are all grown but my grandchildren are teenagers! They live in a very conflicted world when it comes to sex. They are bombarded daily in the music and what is on network TV.

When I was growing up, I watched My Three Sons, Father Knows Best, etc. My family was not like that - but it was one we all hoped for. It was something to work towards when we grew up and had families of our own. God forbid that the shows on today would be ones that young people want to hope for. They are all malcontents and dyfuntional families. Don't we have enough of that reality in real life? Do we need to show it on TV so people can identify with it? NO,
NO and NO! What we need to see are families working it through, getting through and staying together for the good of the family. No sex...no drugs...no violence!

Now they are trying to influence the politicial arena with their descriptions of their shows? You know I don't listen to any celebrity, union leader or Pastor that tells me what I should think politically. For them to assume that they have the power and the influence to do so, is completely wrong. They have no more insight than I do. They have no more influence than I do. When I hear of a celebrity endorsing one candidate or another, I discard their work all together. It clouds the image of the character they are trying to portray - all I see when they are on the screen are their political views - thus I don't watch any of their work at any time in any medium.

Blame it on Larry Craig...
Seriously, I can't use a public bathroom without thinking Larry Craig is gonna start tapping my feet looking to hook up with Mark Foley.

The sick TV shows debuted with FOX network long before President Clinton arrived on the scene. I blame Nixon for using the Nations highest office to lie and cheat and I am sure that scandalous behavior rubbed off on countless americans.

An oversimple approach
Don't watch slop operas, such as the recycled 90210, and stop if you are doing so!

A slightly less simple approach
The "Don't Watch" crowd is partially right. They may be saying "Buzz off. We like it.".

As I don't want the government mandating standards, here is my slightly less simple, unoriginal, yet blindingly obvious plan:

1. Don't watch.
2. Write the network that you won't watch, and will tell others to not watch, including your kids.
3. Write the advertisers that you are offended, that you will not use their products, and will tell others not to use their products.
4. Don't use the advertiser's products.

That is the free market in action.

They have a right to air what they want, and I have the right to tell them I don't like it.

Go forth and do likewise!

Reply to wjriii @ 14:08
You're right, that is a better approach than oversimplistic "don't watch". :)

Voyeurism
Voyeurism is what TV or the movies is all about. The "new" show just capitalized on that. They decided that sex sells & we want our show to sell. They never considered any social impact. In fact, they could care less about social impact, unless there is a profit in it.
Many parents cannot always make sure their kids watch programs that do not include sex or violence. The shows producers counted on that.
Plus, anyone who was ever a teen knows that sex is one of, if not "the" issue on every teens mind. The producers pandered to what they know teens will watch if Mom & Dad aren't there.
Those whose motives are profit & acclaim, will always take, the low road.
It is ironic that of the best seller movies out of Hollywood lately, throe that do not pander to the violence, sex, & hate America themes, have done the best. Those with sex & violence have done well. Those that deal in hate America, have been abysmal failures, like the producers who came up with them.
Basically, I have always felt that if a movie or show must inject gratuitous violence or sex into its theme, it shows that the writers are probably rather poor & need to prop up their poor writing.

Lost a good cultural resource
Is there anyone out there who would say that it is possible for a family
to use a television set when you can't even watch the Weather Channel without viewing commercials daily
that glamorize erectile dysfuntion pills?



Trash, trash
trash....as a parent I hope the "CW" falls into the sewer where it BELONGS.

Lost a good cultural resource
CW Network is obviously part of the problem, but I think Bozell's focus on just one network in the "entertainment" industry is pointless. I don't know of a single
TV station or network that is safe to watch in a family environment.

My example above is, like Bozell's,
just one example also, but I could give others, and their source is probably just the marketing departments of the companies, making inapropriate commercials, just to sell their products, but who otherwise have nothing to do with the entertainment industry.

In my opinion, a baseline of acceptable decency standards simply needs to be established, and all TV broadcasts must be legally forced to abide by them. The fact that the networks and advertizers are obviously not bound by an acceptable set of standards is obvious, and, that this should change should be equally obvious. And, since Brent Bozell is such an important public figure in the fight for better TV standards, he would better serve his role by stepping back from the
specifics of a single network, and rather simply try to apply a legally enforceable set of standards on all TV broadcasting.


CW Network?
I’ve never even heard of the CW Network.

What does CW stand for?

Way Down South
A few years back two networks tried to capture the upstart FOX magic. UPN was owned by Paramount and the WB by warner brothers. Neither did big numbers, and the feeling was there might be a viable network between them. So they fused into the CW. The W is likely for Warner brothers while the C might be CBS which I think is part of paramount.

I would be interested to see how the demographics for the CW break down. I would guess that it does better in red states than blue. But that is just speculation. There is something off in this idea that liberal elites go for the soap operas while middle america is looking for weightier fare.

You-n-Me:
The MSM is going to try everything they can to destroy Sarah Palin over the next two months. Already, they've tried to portray the Palin family as white trash; lose women getting preggers.

Everyday between now and November 4th we need to talk to everyone we come across, especially our friends and family members. Make sure everyone is registered to vote, and that they know what the important facts are. America is depending on everyone to get involved; we're in for a fight against Obama and the MSM propaganda machine. The stakes are too high, and America simply cannot afford Obama, on oh so many levels. Are any members of your family Obamabots? Rescue them from the cult! We've got to get the word out, and perhaps word of mouth from "the Average American" is the most trustworthy endorsement a candidate could have.

Just get rid of it
I can't understand why people think they HAVE to have a TV. I got rid of mine ten years ago, and have always been very glad of it. What a waster of precious time, and a corrupter of families. Good riddance.

Duh... ddw Idiot!
" DDW
Location: NY

Reply # 20
Date: Sep 6, 2008 - 11:37 AM EST the audience approves?
Speaking as a male who was a teenager at one time (I can't speak for the girls), I can state categorically that the male teen audience would WILDLY approve if the show were nothing but one solid hour of dyke porn. Audience approval is irrelevant in determining if the show's content is WISE.

Teens are already doing this stuff? Teens smoke, too, but guess what the libs would say to a smoking scene.

Teens are already doing this stuff BECAUSE the media tells them, "Everyone does it, and it's OK for you to do it, too. There are no bad consequences." DUH!!!! "

~~~~

Speaking as a male, who is strictly heterosexual, it is my belief that you are an idiot!

I have never seen anything exciting about lesbianism or homosexuality.

What else excites you? Beastiality? Horses? Sheep? Pigs?


Nothing turns me on like the love of a good woman.

OBTW, if I am not experiencing it, it is not real.


Ratas y Ratones

Hey Rat-boy
Let's see, Ad hominem attack, CHECK
no comment whatsoever on the argument I made vis-a-vis the column, CHECK.

Nope, it's you who's the idiot!

Oh, one more thing, Rat-boy
"What else excites you? Beastiality? Horses? Sheep? Pigs?"

Horses, sheep, and pigs ARE beastiality. Let me guess, you work for the government in the Department of Redundancy Department.

I watch TV...
unlike the millions who protest they are above it. I am the absolute last holdout in my neighborhood in not having satellite/cable. It is a given that at least once a week I receive a solicitation -the last two in person by a cable guy working in the area- to sign up. I always give them the same reply; no, thank you, not until I can select the channels I receive, and not have to subsidize a hundred channels of sports and porn. If everyone did likewise, THEN we might be able to change the programming offerings. I suspect we would still have tons of porn and sports, but it would be by my version of liberal philosphy: As long as I don't have to pay for it or join in, go for it.

Lon,
Thanks for the info!

RatasY Ratones
Since we are friends,even though I dislike SOME rats,after reading your post to DDW,I believe you took his post the wrong way.

The way I read it,he is agreeing that these shows are not what kids should be watching and is criticizing the entertainment industry for its content.

Maybe I read him wrong and it IS none of my business,of course.

I am a sometime rat eradicator and an avid reader of your posts and I wonder where you have been lately.

Just wait!
Till Brent Bozo sees Torchwood.

Oh yes. _That_ will be hilarious.

Rowly, Re Rat-boy
Of course he took it the wrong way. I didn't say dyke porn would be good family tv for teen males, but rather, that when I was a teen, all the guys I know would have gone WILD for an hour of dyke porn during primetime broadcast tv. The fact that they went wild doesn't mitigate the fact that to have "given them what they want" would have had very unwise consequences. It's a "reductio ad absurdem" logical argument. That' all.

Still it was fun throwing his ad-hominem attack back in his face. I'm not above pointing out an idiotic statement when I see one.

I am Hetero, but the point of my post would still have stood had I been a gay beastial pedophile, who dresses in women's undies and paraded in Times square in NY, or Daley plaza in chicago. The ad hominem fallacy rests on the fact that the messager is not the message, and the message itself is to be argued in it's own right, in the absence of the nature of the person spouting it.

After all, who do the libs have go to the schools to lecture about the horrors of drunk driving? Drunk drivers who had horrible accidents because of it. But let them scream about a divorced Con advocating life-long marriage, and they are hypocrites, despite being uniquely qualified to comment on the bad consequences of that bad chouice.

Toxic Hollywood?
It is a catchy phrase and in many instances true.
But just as often it is not. If George Clooney
and Sean Penn and others are toxic, hand over
the poison.

Meanwhile, you have two Hollywoodites here on
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