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Friday, July 04, 2008
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
"Weeds" and Marijuana Chic
by Brent Bozell
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The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy reported last month that a teenager who has been depressed in the past year was more than twice as likely to have used marijuana than teenagers who have not reported being depressed (25 percent compared with 12 percent). The study said marijuana use increased the risk of developing mental disorders by 40 percent. So much for the "harmless" nature of pot.

There are more worrisome statistics still. The 2006 National Survey on Drug Use and Health found that among Americans age 12 and older there were 14.8 million current users of marijuana and 4.2 million Americans classified with dependency or abuse of marijuana. Addiction is a real threat. Another 2006 report found 16.1 percent of drug treatment admissions were for marijuana as the primary drug of abuse. This compares to six percent in 1992.

There surely are multiple reasons to explain the increasing use of this drug. But one reason for the trend is surely its glamorization by Hollywood, which thinks marijuana is a fun-and-games subject.

"Access Hollywood" has breathlessly promoted a new movie called "The Wackness," set in 1994 New York. A young man sells marijuana out of an Italian-ice cart. He starts seeing a therapist, asking him for guidance on dating a young woman. He pays for the therapy sessions with pot.

If the plot seems tiresome, it's the casting that's truly saddening. The young pot dealer is played by Josh Peck, who just months ago was delighting hundreds of thousands of small children as a rubber-faced jokester on Nickelodeon's teen comedy "Drake and Josh." One of his regular pothead customers is played by Mary-Kate Olsen, half of the famous twins who played the baby sister on the family sitcom "Full House."

Child stars too often go looking for a part to "stretch their range," but that's code for scraping off any odor of a goody-goody reputation. These actors are doing it by glorifying marijuana.

Drug-dealer chic really began with "Weeds," the Showtime pay-cable series starring Mary-Louise Parker as widowed suburban mother/pot dealer Nancy Botwin. The fourth season recently premiered to the delight of TV critics, who love the show's exposure of suburban hypocrisy. Showtime publicists wrote, with noticeable pride: "Last season, viewers saw Nancy venture from hesitant but determined toe-dipper in the unpredictable waters of drug dealing to confident, full-fledged queen-pin entrepreneur."

They're proud of the drug-dealing mom as she gains confidence in her "queen-pin" criminality?

The show's primary hypocrite is the boozy anti-drug crusader Celia Hodes, played by Elizabeth Perkins, who told TV Guide that her character "discovers drugs this year ... and she's like a kid in a candy shop." Perkins is delighted by the bad behavior on the show. "There's just something delicious about watching people misbehave without any sense of conscience."

This is a classic Hollywood outburst. These people love misbehavior, wallow in it and suggest anyone who would dare take a stand that appears morally upright is undoubtedly just a repressed fraud. It carries an Orwellian echo: Honesty is found in corruption, and moral fervor is a sickness that needs to be vanquished. Morality is immoral.

Perkins displayed more of her debased philosophy on CBS's "The Early Show" on July 2 in a cozy showcase of CBS-Showtime corporate-cousin synergy. She described her moralizing character as fun to play because she's "really screwed up and evil." She's an unstable hypocrite in a bad marriage who's "going to take it out on whoever happens to be standing in her way."

CBS anchor Julie Chen asked Perkins if she supports legalizing marijuana in real life. "Oh, yeah, absolutely." she answered. "Alcohol is legal. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me why marijuana's not."

Chen asked what her character would say in response. Perkins replied: "Oh, put them all in jail." Chen laughed and agreed. "She's so self-righteous." Perkins then added, "Well, Celia's probably the only character on the show who's never smoked marijuana ... Never cave with marijuana, because that's the 'evil drug' -- according to her." Chen guffawed along, in mockery of the anti-drug position.

Teenagers will go see the movie with the Nickelodeon star selling pot, and teenagers are in the audience when Showtime is displaying its affection for "Weeds." Hollywood is not merely mocking people who moralize against marijuana, they're actively encouraging young people to explore the "edgy" life of illegal drugs they see on screen. But Hollywood will not be around for comfort or counseling when teenagers have to go to detox, or see psychologists for depression or other mental problems.

They ought to look in the mirror and wonder if they're the self-righteous people who are really screwed up and pushing evil.

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Political Correctness At Its Worst
This has to be the funniest article I haven read in some time. I see that you are auditioning for The Onion satirical magazine because nobody really believes this nonsense that marijuana is harmful to anyone. Mental disorders can be caused by any substance if used irresponsibly. Did you know that constantly drinking Diet Pepsi can kill brain cells, which could also impair you mentally, not to mention abusing alcohol? Oh, and it's more likely for you to contract lung cancer through cigarettes than it would be through unprocessed marijuana. The difference between those and marijuana is that it has more medicinal benefits that outweigh its harmful effects, just like aspirin or some other potentially dangerous medication.
Actually the reason a lot of us in Hollywood constantly glamorize marijuana is to stick it to you soft-minded fools. This is our way of protesting the drug policies of idiots who don't want to take risks against anything.
And P.S. The only people who are evil are people who try to kill you, like terrorists. And we all know damn well that marijuana doesn't kill people. That's one of the lies that have been debunked time and time again. If you don't support marijuana, then you support the terrorists.

Who's the evil one now, buddy-boy?

BLAME SHIFTING
Brent Bozell the third, you can't possibly be giving my children to hollywood to be reared. To think my two daughters are going to go to a movie and see Josh selling weed and think that somehow seeing Josh dealing makes the act proper, just tells me you either don't personally raise your own children or that you don't think to highly of their abilities to decipher from moral/immoral, legal/illegal, healthy/unhealthy, fiction/non-fiction etc. Even my youngest, at age 7, is aware that what she sees on t.v., movies, and stage is all made up and not real.

I believe you have done a favor to all parents for doing this research and getting this info out to us, but if our country's primary problem was smoking weed we sure would be in a better place. I say legalize it and put the responsibilty back into the hands of the american people where it belongs. Thanks for the tip on the movie.

Please! Not This Cr@p Again !
Bozell is often a great writer when he is writing about a subject where he is clear on his facts. This article appears to have been written by a person who has read all of the U.S.Government's "really scary marihuana facts" and believed them to be true.
Since the mid 1960's, one of the biggest reasons for the drug problem getting out of hand with regard to truly dangerous drugs is that the U.S. Government blatantly lies about pot. If a teen, or anyone else for that matter, tries marijuana, it doesn't take long to realize what a load of hooey the DEA has been peddling regarding pot. So the user's natural assumption is that the gov't must also be lying about (or greatly exaggerating) the perils of other illegal drugs, which truly are life threatening and physically addictive. By the time they realize, if they ever get a chance to, that they're into some really destructive substances, it's often too late.

Please! Not This Cr@p Again !
Bozell is often a great writer when he is writing about a subject where he is clear on his facts. This article appears to have been written by a person who has read all of the U.S.Government's "really scary marihuana facts" and believed them to be true.
Since the mid 1960's, one of the biggest reasons for the drug problem getting out of hand with regard to truly dangerous drugs is that the U.S. Government blatantly lies about pot. If a teen, or anyone else for that matter, tries marijuana, it doesn't take long to realize what a load of hooey the DEA has been peddling regarding pot. So the user's natural assumption is that the gov't must also be lying about (or greatly exaggerating) the perils of other illegal drugs, which truly are life threatening and physically addictive. By the time they realize, if they ever get a chance to, that they're into some really destructive substances, it's often too late.

Wake up, children!
Brent the Anti-Burnout is not getting much support on this one. Let's see if I can help. I know, how about reintroducing the anti-pot smoking health ed. films I watched as a junior high student in the late 60's? One that was particularly effective was showing what happens to you when you toke up. Two teens indulge in the evil drug, then get very giggly and thirsty. They find a very enticing bottle of sodapop, but no bottle opener. What to do? Simply break the bottle open and enjoy the pause that refreshes. When the jagged glass from the broken bottle cuts their mouths and the pain throbs and blood streaks down their chins, the teens realize the great harm they have done to themselves and eventually go on to become gin-sipping College Republicans (just kidding on that last part).

The Bible Warns of This:
I thought the article did a fine job of exposing the true problem with Hollywierd. It's not just the Pot, it's the whole agenda of selling puke and calling it soup. They are deliberately attacking any and everything moral and good and turning it into something evil. The Bible warns of this:

20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

23 which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

It also says: The wicked shall be turn into Hell, and EVERY NATION THAT FORGETS GOD!

We are literally going to Hell in a handbasket!


This is new?
So Bozell has suddenly discovered that Hollywood doesn't always toe the government's anti-drug line? I recall forty years ago when any reference to marijuana on Laugh-In was accompanied by a wink and a nudge. And that was on network television, not a subscription service (Showtime's Weeds) or a theatrical movie (The Wackness).

The latter two are seen by relatively limited audiences. I suspect far more potheads have seen Reefer Madness.

The Bible Warns of false teachers too...
"Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed bearing plants...according to their various kinds." And it was so. And God saw that it was good."

Plants are good. Pot is a plant. Therefore...

"Woe unto them who call evil good and good evil."

the pushers
One thing I know from personal experience, the attitude about pot is too casual and too annoying. Pot users have no consideration of the collateral issues whatsoever and their attitude at times is that pot is akin to something good for you.
At the most casual of gatherings and car trips, they'll light up. Exposing whoever, even if there ARE children present.


I have noticed also, besides being so inconsiderate and rude (you can't have a casual dinner or date without getting high?), there is a subtler type of behavior. That is a lack of mature coping skills. There is a kind of adolescent emotional response to challenges and stress. Eventually for far too many people pot stops being efficient enough to get the high wanted.

And there are different levels of risk of addiction. But unlike consuming alcohol, pot users expose others to the smoke. And often pot is used in combination with alcohol or other drugs. Pot is in no way harmless, just look at how people go out of their way, disregarding other people and the laws at hand, to get what they want.

7 Sticks, guess you haven't been around the situation where people were killed or injured precisely because someone was stoned while driving, pregnant or minding children.
And your immature attitude made my point for me, I rest my case.

I don't have to believe what I read
I don't have to read Brent B to understand anything. I couldn't care less about what Hollywood does. It's disturbing how many movie references people have to make to illustrate a point. I'm not religious and I don't think a sermon means much in this case.

But I do know family and friends, financial, legal and professional relationships ruined by pot. Bonding over getting high seems a sad commentary on human relational matters, skills, growth and interest. It's the fervent defense of pot use that's upsetting. The chronic mantra and belief that it's less harmful than tobacco and alcohol. Pot users also use tobacco and alcohol too and emotional maturity is retarded in users. I don't think that pot is worth the collateral damage I've witnessed.

If it comforts those with glaucoma or cancer, fine. And that's Palliative, NOT curative. But what about the rest of the population with no medical problems whatsoever, except an unnatural attraction to something that over enough time, makes you insufferable to be around?

Sorry, who are you again?
Weeds? Weeds?! Brenzell thinks that limpwristed soap opera qualifies as chic? What about Cheech and Chong? Harold and Kumar? That other movie - can't remember the name... You know, with the evil hand and his zombie buddies? No, that's Deliverance. Ok ok, no it's the one with the guy who never speaks in black and white. No, how do you speak in black and white anyway? It's like hearing in VHS. Um... Ah, screwit, you know what I mean.

GIGO,
A saying in computer programing, Garbage in, Garbage Out. You can't get good results with bad input.

Scoffers deny, but the media we consume is our mental input and just as our physical diet affects our physical self our mental diet affects our mental self.

Play in the physical muck and your body gets dirty. Play in the mental muck and your mind is contaminated. You can take a shower to get rid of the physical dirt, but its a lot harder to wash your brain.

Smoking is unhealthy
so whether it's marijuana, cigarettes or any other drug put in a pipe or waterpipe or paper, it's never good. What tripe from people supporting the use of marijuana. The inhalation of smoke causes death. Any fool knows that!

Good or bad for you, it's not the point
"The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog."

G.K. Chesterton

Reality check...

"Another 2006 report found 16.1 percent of drug treatment admissions were for marijuana as the primary drug of abuse. This compares to six percent in 1992."

Translation -- judges are now 2.5% more likely to sentence those busted for marijuana to "drug treatment" today as they were in 1992.

PS... does anyone have any advice for making Townhall load faster? On my satellite connection, it's endlessly "loading pictures" that slows things down by 90%.

A Modest Proposal
OK, we legalize it, with one caveat; providing it to anyone under 21 is punishable by the ultimate trip -- lethal injection.

Yes, I'm serious. Adults have the right to rot their minds if they want. But this would head off the common scenario today, in which kids start smoking tobacco -- and drinking alcohol, for that matter -- before they are legally permitted to do so.

And no, I wouldn't mind seeing the same standard applied to tobacco and alcohol. Again, adults do what you want -- leave the kids alone.

Of course, there's ample evidence to show that a person who reaches 21 w/o using any addictive substance is most likely never to start, so the drug lobby still won't be happy...

Go hear it from real people
As someone who spent a few years experimenting with pot and other drugs (and now clean and sober), I can testify to the damage that it does, especially in dulling the mind. Just go to a local open AA or NA speaker's meeting to hear about it from real people, not some academic studies. The power of suggestion is very strong indeed, especially among adolescents who are trying to "find themselves", "fit in", and "be accepted". And people will do many things they otherwise wouldn't if it is regarded as "cool" or even just acceptable.

There are those who (rightly) crusaded against "Joe Camel" because they believed this advertising would lead kids to smoke, but yet those same people won't recognize the principle of suggestion in other cases. This seems like hypocrisy to me.

Harmless/harmful compared to what?
I've never chosen to use marijuana myself, but I think its use should be legal (comtrary to the drug-warrior stereotype that only hopeless "potheads" favor legalization). No, I don't suppose marijuana is totally "harmless"; I think the harm it can cause has been exaggerated, but some harm does exist. Lots of things are not harmless. Alcohol, which is legal, is not harmless. Tobacco, which is legal (and should remain so) is not harmless. High-fat foods, sedentary lifestyles, etc. are not harmless. But that doesn't mean it's government's business to decide for us whether to take our chances indulging in any of these things. Conservatives often sneer at liberals for wanting to have a "nanny state" dictating every aspect of our lifestyle for our "own good". But on drug policy, it is the conservatives who want to be the nanny with a gun.

By the way, Bozell gloatingly cites a statistic that teenagers who are depressed are more likely to use marijuana. The implication, to him, is that marijuana causes depression. Hass it occurred to him that he has cause and effect mixed up, that depressed teens seek out pot as a form of "self-medication" rather than otherwise normal teens using pot and becoming depressed? I'm not suggesting that depressed teens (or any other non-adults) *should* use marijuana. But if Bozell really wanted to help depressed teens, he might look for better ways to help them rather than promoting draconian anti-pot laws.

Stats are flawed
You sure can't ask the teenagers that killed themselves- you know the one's that didn't lean on pot to feel better about an ailing country. With that I would say our little test results mentioned here is flawed. While we have depressed individuals eating sugar which by the way is very addictive to the human body- we sure don't hear any stats on sugar addicts being depressed enough for suicidal thoughts and actions. No instead we have to pick on marijuana smokers- the same one's who may need to lean on this same natural substance to relieve physical pains in the future- after obtaining painful afflictions from eating Chinese imported food substances. Much better stats are out there for using marijuana to relieve pain than there is for legalized pharmaceutical pain pills- including addictive chemicals not common at all with natural means.

social responsibility
The argument that marijuana use is innocent, but illegal, falls short. The issue of marijuana use is primarily an issue of morality and responsibility. For those who lack clarity in their personal lives and their subsequent actions, getting high is no big deal. However, for those of us that lived the 60’s and 70’s - we know better. Sure, there are plenty of survivors of that era that still hold to their philosophies as well as actions, but those attitudes and values are inherently flawed when seen in a long term perspective.
Any substance that alters the consciousness is potentially dangerous. The true danger is that users just don’t understand the impact on their quality of thought and thus quality of life. Getting high does not stimulate higher or more creative thinking that was promoted back in the day. Rather it leads to an intellectual flaccidity that corrupts social input and values. It leads to a lifestyle that is hollow and directionless. The ugly reality is that most users won’t wake up to that fact until its too late.
The good news is the message of intellectual, moral and spiritual clarity can be made without being preachy, but the message will still be branded as such. That’s what intellectual impotence does to you.

Correlation does not equal causation
The statistics presented in the first paragraph do not provide enough information to draw the conclusion that marijuana CAUSES depression. Would it not be just as reasonable to conclude that teenagers who are already depressed are more likely to try pot-- and various other benign or detrimental behaviors-- than their generally satisfied peers?

Disturbing Conservative Trend
Come on folks, it's the liberals that want to use the power of the state to control the behaviour of the people - not us.

Remember freedom and tend to your own matters -not those of your neighbor, unless he interfere with your affairs.

I can only imagine how much less the size of government could be if we the people resisted the expansionist nature of the prohibitionists.

Marijuana by Julie
If incoherence was a college class, Julie would be an "A" student.
John
Easton, PA

Bogus Arguments
This article contains typical bogus arguments filled with logical fallacy.

If I do a statistical analysis that shows tobacco users have a higher rate of depression than non-tobacco users, does this mean tobacco causes depression? How about alcohol? Do heavy alcohol users have higher rates of depression (hint: I guarantee it)? Does this mean alcohol CAUSES depression, or does it mean depressed people seek relief from depression by drinking?

I would not be surprised to see studies that show cigarette smokers also engage in risky activities at a much higher rate than non-smokers. Does this mean cigarettes turn otherwise safety-minded folks into risk-takers? Or does it mean that those who like to take risks also like to smoke?

The facts are unassailable: pot is much less harmful than both alcohol and cigarettes.

GIVE ME A BREAK
You must have grown up a real dweeb Brent because otherwise you'd know how harmless Weed is. Everybody I knew smoked Weed when I was growing up. Many still do. Today they are doctors, lawyers, and even Presidents. I knew of a few that ended up in rehab but not because of any REAL addiction. They only ended up there because that's what the courts order when you get caught possesing Weed. Of course the quickest way to get out of the court mandated rehab is to play along. If you don't, they say you're in denial and you'll never get out. So don't believe everything you hear at an AA or NA meeting. I really believe that Weed saved many of my generation. It provided an alternative to drinking which was and is much more dangerous. As a kid growing up there were many alcohol related accidents but I can't think of one due to Weed. If I had a kid my biggest concern would be Crack and my second Alcohol. Weed would only be a concern for the lungs just as cigarettes are. The worst of all though is violence. The violence necessary to enforce laws against our Natural Rights.

To Royinoslo (post #18)
With all respect my friend, you've been duped if you believe that refeer madness era propoganda.

There is no evidence to suggest a rash of the self destructive behavior (i.e. eating broken soda bottles) you cite. The person on pot would be more likely to sit and stare at the bottle for a 1/2 hour then move on after forgetting why he was looking at it.

while the above might be pathetic, it's not your business or mine what other people do with their god given freedoms.






Bozell may be on to something:
Pot may be a 'gateway' drug. I can't tell yet-I've only smoked it for 40 years. Have yet to try heroin, but you never know. Come to think of it, reading articles like this is enough to drive me to it.
If you Socons don't want to smoke/drink/screw that's fine with me, but quit pushing your morals on rest of us. You've dragged the Republican party down a path it should never have gone.

Dont Panic Brent!
'Weeds' is so boring and stupid that it should be classified as a drug--a sleeping drug. All the dedicated pot smokers are watching the animated maps on the Weather Channel. I dont think the two dozen or so viewers of 'Weeds' need any pro-drug propaganda to keep them glued to the tube, the only time they ever move is to go to the bathroom and to get something to eat to mollify the raging munchies. If you really want to scare people away from smoking pot you should tell them that smoking it makes you gain weight. Brent is an idealist; he's not reconciled to living in a world where a certain proportion of the population are fat, useless, losers but that's reality Brent and isnt that what you want everybody else to do, face reality?

Is Bozell on drugs?
Teen-agers who used pot were twice as likely to report depression as teens who didn't?

Is Bozell joking?

OK, maybe pot depressed the kids. Or maybe depressed kids are more likely to turn to pot for help.

Either way, it's a good argument for teaching kids pot will make them feel bad...not for putting them in prison for a decade for using it.

Brent,Don'tListen To Them.
So,you pro-pot people don't want to hear a discouraging word about the dangers of illegal drugs. Well,too bad. Bet most of you support Ron Paul,too.

What worries me about shows like these,(I had no idea there were any),is that these kids who are starring in these shows, are stars my grandkids watch on other shows and LIKE. I hope they won't want to 'do what they do'.

Just more of the moral decay the liberals have foisted upon us. How low will they go?





Amsterdam
Is by far one of the "Greatest" destinations in the modern world.I know of many people who make the trip every year.I go every August.The marijuana is superior to any other place in the world,because you don't have "Travel and Sample".America has made a mockery of it's self with it's war on drugs.It has ruined the lives of untold numbers of young people.Ironically there are more drugs in America today than there was in 1965.The marijuana is stronger,the cocaine more plentiful and yet we lie to the world with this inquisition of the young.We have wasted human capital and financial capital.Prejudice has been the driving force in American politics for so long,that there are "Vestiges" even where none belongs.How very sad we have become.Caulfield Holden tried to warn "US" about the ill effects of American life.

420
Light it...smoke it....pass it...

A problem with legalization
Compared to alcohol and cigarettes, marijuana accounts for far fewer health problems, so making marijuana use a criminal act does not make much sense. On the other hand, legalizing it could be a problem if the tobacco companies got involved and marketed marijuana to young people the way they have done with tobacco. Perhaps allowing cultivation of limited amounts of marijuana for personal use would be better, but then there would still be unregulated and untaxed buying and selling. In California we have medicinal marijuana facilities, which for the most part are an excuse for people to get high legally. Perhaps such facilities should be allowed to sell to anyone over 18 or 21 without having to pretend they are there to help the sick. I know our state could use the tax revenue.

Hollywood does not teach, Really

A teenager is made to sit in a hard chair in a drafty room, next to people he doesn't like, watching a scratchy picture on a small screen, and the teacher's union will tell you he is learning, learning, learning.

Later that same day, that same person is sitting in a comfortable upholstered chair in an air-conditioned room, eating pop-corn and drinking a coke, sitting next to his girlfriend, watching a technically perfect picture on a huge screen, and we are told he is learning nothing, he is being entertained.

Why is it a surprise that a person who sees hours of the trash and filth shown on TV, in computer games, and in movie theaters, has their style of life changed? And don't say your child saw those same films and programs and killed no one. Millions of people saw a commercial for a new car last night, and only a very, very few bought the car.

Repeated and constant exposure to computer games, TV programs, and movies can and does influence a life. Can Hollywood be proud of what they teach?



Even More Worrisome
What's worrisome is that conservatives and liberals both exploit the expanded bureaucracy and limits on liberty that the War on Drugs has created at all levels of government. What's worrisome is the militarization of police forces and proliferation of heavily armed gangs that has grown out of this prohibition. The liberals now use this as an excuse to disarm the citizenry (See Higene's post under Larry Elder's column).

Forbidden fruit
If we are honest with ourselves here, drug laws seem to have the opposite effect our society is trying to promote.

The amendment against alcohol should give us a clue here.

All these kind of laws do is exacerbate the criminal element attached to these illegal substances, enriching lawyers and criminals alike.

It causes the enticement of our youth with the "forbidden fruit syndrome" we all suffer from going all the way back to Adam.

We must fight against this and all self destructive behavior, but are drug laws really getting this done?

If we use the argument "it is bad for you", this could be used to prevent a multitude of behaviors, destroying liberty in the process.

We need another approach.

Let it go, Brent
If being hazardous to one's health were the criteria for making a substance illegal alcohol and nicotine would have to be banned long before we began to discuss marijuana.

This kind of suggestion, that we should consider marijuana physically harmful and crack down on it, is exactly the kind of thing that scares decent people away from conservatism. It is the kind of thing that fits all too well into the otherwise false stereotype of conservatism that liberals use to frighten voters.

Compared to things like poverty, big government run amok, $4 gas, traffic accidents, heart disease, cancer, and even AIDS, the 'damage' caused by marijuana is so negligible as to be virtually non-existent.

And marijuana does have legitimate medical uses. It not only works well as a pain killer, but it is also useful as a muscle relaxant for physical therapy.

Let it go Brent, and get back to what you do best; exposing the lying liberal media for what they are.

killer...#32
Great post!

Jackbooted drug warriors, relax...
Last time a politician bravely pointed out the exasperating ignorance of our drug policies, the mob handed him his head.

It was Gov. Gary Johnson in New Mexico.

Try this


Why not let anyone use any banned, illegal "substance” they wish — including cocaine, opium, alcohol, marijuana, oxy-condin (or whatever) — in any amount they can afford, but just one thing.

The only tax-payer paid medical treatment permitted when that person gets sick because of that substance, is a triple-double-overdose of whatever it was that caused the problem.


Indian Hemp Inebriation
Indian Hemp inebriation is very different--and far less harmful--than alcohol inebriation. A toker just tends to get giggly and stupid, but is aware of his inebriated state. Thus, a toker will usually refuse to drive, or will willingly give the keys to someone who is not stoned. If a toker absolutely HAS to drive, he will usually drive much slower than he has to, completely aware of the shortcomings of his inebriated state.

Alcohol inebriation, on the other hand, is the opposite. Drunks often become loud and obnoxious. Try to take their car keys, and you may get into a fight. Filled with drunken confidence, they will drive way over the speed limit. They kill thousands every year.

You may notice that vehicular homicide while stoned on pot is not a common occurrence.

Not that the dangerous nature of any drug should result in its being outlawed; quite the contrary, from my libertarian (yes, Ron Paul supporting) perspective. You have the Constitutional right, under the Ninth Amendment, to consume whatever you want to consume, and pay the consequences if you choose unwisely.

Drug Warriors need to Mellow
out, man.

Amazing how Brent notes we have 15M current MJ users, yet we still have drug war supporters who honestly believe they should all be in jail - or executed. The Taliban would be proud.

The war on drugs defies all logic. It is an abject failure as policy. It is anathema to freedom, liberty, and personal responsibility. It is asinine, oppressive, and wreaks havoc on societies in the U.S. and abroad. It puts otherwise law abiding young citizens in prison, while enriching violent criminals.

Drug Warriors, if you learn nothing else the rest of your lives, at least have the good sense to acknowledge that MJ needs to be separated from your larger drug war, once and for all.

Unless, that is, you can honestly say you want 15 million of your fellow citizens in prison for merely smoking a plant they can safely grow and consume in their own homes.

Now it's time for some barbecue (I have a bad case of the munchies).

Minors shouldn't smoke marijuana
and I don't think anyone that wants it legalized thinks that they should ! The ONDCP reports are propoganda which anyone of reasonable intelligence should be able to recognize.I feel like I'm wasting my time responding to an idiot but these are the same old tactics that use only part of the data to support a preconceived conclusion. And here we go again with Bozo on the subject of television programming and the Hollywood film industry.First of all,I'll ask again,are you calling for censorship ? "Weeds" is on Showtime and if you don't like it,cancel your subscription.Elizabeth Perkins' statement on "The Early Show" is free speech.Would you like to change the First Amendment to exclude statements supporting drug legalization? Mary-Kate and Josh are adults.Do you think that there should be a law that prohibits former child actors from acting in roles not suitable for children? I wouldn't allow my child to watch "Weeds" or "The Wackness" . I don't have Showtime either. This article is stupid beyond belief.

Black Rastafarian smoking an orange !
I've noticed that this photo has accompanied the last two drug related articles that I have read on TH. Could this image of the very dark skinned pot smoker be used to frighten the less informed ? If one considers the racist history of Marijuana prohibition , I would not be surprised.

THE WAY I SEE IT
If cigarette smoke, over a long period of time, is bad for one's health, is it not probable that the same holds true for Mary Jane?

I've managed to live for 84 years and speaking from experience, I've got to say i've come to regret the twenty some years I spent as a moderate (less than a pack a day) smoker. Cigarettes, not Pot.

Generally speaking I have reason to believe in the saying that , ""moderation in all things is the wisest course", but if you want to be free of lung problems in your old age, best skip smoking of any kind.

I really hope this is satire
Mr. Bozell, I know you can be hyperbolic, but this is hyperbole even for you.

You're using the favorite tactic of the left by cherry picking statistics with no context.

""Addiction is a real threat. Another 2006 report found 16.1 percent of drug treatment admissions were for marijuana as the primary drug of abuse. This compares to six percent in 1992.""

This sounds alarming till you discover that the vast majority of those "Treatments" were court ordered for 1st time "offenders".

How do I know this?
In 2005 I was one of them.
At 48 years old I became a "drug offender" because I'm a medical marijuana patient in a state where it's still illegal for any use.

Marijuana has no physical addiction, and it's impossible to Overdoase on it.

I agree that anyone under the age of 18 has no business using the stuff, but for consenting adults, Smoking a joint is Far less harmful than drinking a martini.

Hyperbole like this is a Large part of the reason too many teenagers go from Pot to hard drugs. Anyone with a brain knows the govt. is lying though it's collective teeth with the ads telling kids that pot will turn you into a vampire bat. So they figure "If they're lying about pot, they're probably lying about (fill in the blank) too."

How many more Billions of dollars are we going to throw down the rabbit hole of the "war on Drugs" which has basically become the War on Pot users?

I'm probably more conservative than Brent Bozell, but when it comes to the WOD, Reagan was wrong.



What do you know, Jackpine...
Savage and I actually agree on something.

MARIJUANA
Apparently people will grow, buy, deal, steal to smoke marijuana even tho it is illegal. Some get caught and pay the dues. Others skate.

Apparently the war on drugs does not work. TONS of marijuana and cocaine enter the United States from Mexico, Colombia, Cuba and other south American countries. Our DEA and other government agencies spend billions every year and do stop tons from entering, but it keeps on coming.

Armed Dromes loaded with "WEED" killer bombs should be used to kill the marijuana crops and cause that land to be unfit to grow marijuana.

Use the same methods for cocoa crops and their cocoa leaf drying factories. Close the factories that manufacture the chemicals required to change the cocoa leaf into cocaine.

Heroin, morphine and opium are derived from the POPPY BULBS. BTW, I understand 90% of the worlds opium POPPY BULBS are in AFGHANISTAN.

Great! The Marines can chase the farmers and the Taliban-who receives over $10 million a year by taxing the farmers-out of the POPPY FIELDS and destroy the crops. The Taliban will need to find another source to fund their insurgency.

Pay the farmers for their crops that were destroyed and let them know that no more POPPY FIELDS will be planted by them. Only food crops will be allowed.

Karzai should determine whether or not the Afghanistan government wants to be involved in growing POPPY FIELDS legally for export.

The United States should legalize marijuana to be sold by the government to people 21 years of age and older in the controlled stores. Rather than paying billions to stop marijuana use the United States can earn billions in taxes selling it legally.

If it does not work...simply change the law and return to the drug war. At least give it a try.

Marijuana advocates

Replaces "We The People" with Weed/Duh People.

Perry
""What do you know, Jackpine...
Savage and I actually agree on something. ""


Stranger things have happened. :o)

Happy 4th Everyone.

longreach
how apropos...your handle, that is...

It's really quite a stretch to justify drug use based on what Christ taught regarding eating things considered unclean by Mosaic law (shellfish, raptors, pork).

Actually, the Bible does speak about drug use...the Greek word "pharmakeia" (root of pharmacy, pharmaceutical, etc.) appears as SORCERY, an abomination in God's eyes...

...nice try, no cigar...

Just curious, Mountain Rose...
If you were queen of the nation, is there anything outside your personal value system you'd allow your subjects to engage in?

We're either free or we're not.

"going postal" re marijuana
In "going postal" about mj, Brent undermines his credibility.

It's difficult to comment (or preach) on a subject with which one has no experience. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems as if Brent hasn't had ANY experience with mj.

When mj is smoked, it's certainly not good for the throat and lungs and can lead to the same hacking cough a chronic cigarette smoker "enjoys."

But leading to depression? I think most of us take "government studies" with a grain of salt.

The simple fact is that people reach out for something to cheer them in their daily lives: a cigarette, a beer, a cocktail, ice cream, chocolate, or, for believers, their faith. We're human and can't always be as cheerful as we'd like to be.

Cigarettes are gross and unhealthy. Alcohol is okay in moderation but unhealthy in excess. Eating too much ice cream or chocolate makes you fat. And those who don't "believe" don't gain any benefit from practicing "believing."

Most of us are already on antidepressants :-). Does Brent want to add the mj-smokers to that growing group, by forbidding mj smoking?

The answer, in my view, is that mj smokers need to practice moderation. Period.

Having said all that, I'll still keep reading Brent's opinions because I respect his courage in voicing unpopular and/or politically incorrect ideas.

AND, for heaven's sake, we don't want to make him depressed!

The Afghani poppies are not touched!
I saw shots of U.S. Marines interacting with local Afghans and in the background are gigantic poppy fields. The pods are huge indicating that it's time to harvest them. The U.S. is NOT going to start a drug war in a zone which is ALREADY unstable. Get over it.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Prohibition doesn't work
I think drugs are the worst successful liberal program in the world, but it would be more easily defeated by legalizing and regulating all of it:

eliminate the criminal element and destroy any reason for a show like Weeds;

sell it in pharmacies and tax it like cigarettes and alcohol;

let drs. write prescriptions and keep the substances pure and free from being cut with baby powder and Draino and other pollutants;

allow the prisons some relief as 2/3s are in for some drug-related offense (do not release violent felons);

give minorities a break as 3/4s males under 30 are in jails and prisons for drug-related offenses;

keep better tabs on who's using through medical records and pharmacy purchases;

free peasants in Columbia and Afghanistan to grow whatever crops will sell;

free up the Delta Forces marauding around Columbia and elsewhere to maraud around Iraq or wherever else needed;

eliminate the DEA and all other drug task forces;

put out of business those "drug-free school zone" signs;

drugs will still be illegal for minors, just like alcohol.

Leagalizing MJ
I really think Brent's piece was more about shows that trivialize drugs. Shows that appeal to young children,because the stars are some of their favorites.

The entertainment Industry has led many a young person down a bad road because young kids want to emulate their heroes. Sadly,some of these stars are their heroes.

reni writes...
"I think drugs are the worst successful liberal program in the world..."

PW: Wow. I can't wait to hear this.

How exactly are drugs a liberal program?

Tax Pot
We ban smoking tobacco for health reasons. As one of the posters pointed out smoking pot is just as bad for you. So why would anyone in their right mind (hm..maybe there is something wrong with their heads) want to start or continue to smoke pot? I worked with pot heads in the seventies. They kept asking me to try Pot, Acid or LSD etc. They kept saying: "Try it you will like it" I told them that is exactly why I don't want to try drugs, I might like them and I didn't need another bad habit. I was smoking then. At that time I had tried several times to quit and failed. I finally succeeded (cold turkey). That was about 25 years ago.
Why don't we just legalize pot and treat it like alcohol. You come to work stoned you get fired. You drive stoned you lose your drivers license or go to jail after a repeat offense. And of course tax the hell out Mj. We will need all the taxes we can lay our hands on if Obama gets elected. Come to think of it, use the tax from pot to support low-life pot smokers. Clinton says he tried it but did not inhale. Obama says he used drugs, like I said Low-Lives.
Oh yes, and



DON'T SMOKE MARIJUANA!! IT'S BAD!!
Instead, bake it into brownies and eat it. Much better for you.

what's bozell smoking?
I'm so glad to read some of the reasonable comments on here, a "conservative" website.

Brent Bozell writes as if he'd just seen "Reefer Madness" and got really scared. marijuana is NOT PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE, and it's a lot safer than alcohol. it's an unusually helpful drug too, easing the pain associated with many diseases and helping with the nausea that many chemo and AIDS patients experience.

kids hear this stuff about pot being the same as heroin or cocaine and they quickly realize what hooey that is...with the result that they don't believe anything the anti-drug forces say.

the "war on drugs" has done only one thing: it has enabled the criminal element to become rich and powerful. legalize it and drug crime virtually disappears overnite. our prisons don't have room for rapists because there are so many drug users incarcerated. it's crazy.

when is this country going to come to its senses and enact sensible drug policies?

The tobacco growers would love it!!
Tobacco is rough on soil and needs a LOT of care and fertilizer. Even then the "soil robber" depletes a patch of land at some point for about five years. It is not a weed. Botanically cannabis IS a weed and a VERY persistent one at that. Just look at all the wild patches STILL growing all over the country from when it was a defense issue to produce hemp fiber for rope.

You think it was the movie "Reefer Madness" that got pot on the illegal list? Du Pont came out with a synthetic rope that was a LOT more expensive than hemp rope and GREASED a lot of Congress critters to get it mandated for military use. Just for good measure they cooked up stories of "those people" (minorities) and their "devil weed" debauching whitebread America.

In WW2 they needed more rope than could be synthesized so they started planting hemp in the wilds of the South. Every once in a while they have a "wild marijuana hunt" to chop down and burn the plants.

Last Aug. near me in Putnam Cty., NY they found over 300 plants an average of 6 feet high in various fields belonging to the state. They didn't need a warrant so they chopped 'em down and hauled them out under Blackhawks. You should have seen the mobs of weeping "heads" on the side of the road. Heavy with buds too.

All (supposedly) went up in a flaming pyre somewhere. If you saw birds flying funny that day you were probably close.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

I have very deep issues with pot.
Because it caused me unjust problems with the Bureau. That's why I wrassle with rats and mice in a cancer research center now.

Yet I am sympathetic to a young lady friend who has several conditions which require some really nasty meds and they make her nauseous. If she smokes a joint the pills stay down and seem to even work better.

I have no problem sending a guy to the House of Many Doors who has a kilo in the trunk of his car and is dealing nicks, dimes and lids to 12 year old in playgounds and schoolyards. None at all. Did it many times as a grand juror and I'd do it again.

When all the other charges dropped for lack of evidence and all that was left was a couple of rolled joints or a nick of Purple Haze we the jurors usually dropped THAT too. We had better things to do than clog the system with casual recreational tokers. Like indicting murderers and attempted murders, rapists and such.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

longreach
hey, go ahead, get high if you want, just don't bring God into the discussion; you don't seem to have a clue when it comes to what the Bible has to say.

longreach one more thing...
Pot smoke enters the lungs, not the stomach.

...unless you've made some brownies...

Hm. Seems that real conservatives...
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...uniformly think that Mr. Bozell is an idiot, and that the fantastical "War on (Some) Drugs" is idiocy.

No argument there.

Let's get something straight.

In the words of Baynee (above), I'm a "dweeb."

Never smoked pot. Never "done" other psychoactive drugs. My drinking is confined to a half-glass of champagne at weddings.

I'm not virtuous. I'm cowardly.

So when it comes to personal appetite, I'm your perfect Bozell-ian "anti-drug" crusader, wouldn'tchathink?

Well, no.

First, I've enough experience with the diagnosis and management of mood disorders (like depression) and thought disorders (like schizophrenia) to know that people with such conditions use drugs and alcohol to "self-medicate" their most distressing symptoms.

This is one of the chief reasons why the incidences of such disorders and "substance abuse" co-incide.

Mr. Bozell is a friggin' idiot.

Dope does not *cause* psychiatric pathology, but drug use can commonly be a secondary manifestation of major depressive disorder and similar psychopathologies.

And the "War on (Some) Drugs" is friggin' idiocy.

Which conservatives know full well.

Now, how do we teach jerkwad Republicans like Brent Bozell these little facts of life?

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Re TWOD
If it can't keep drugs out of prison, how the heck does the government think it can keep drugs out of the country through enforcement. If it gets any worse around here, people are going to begin going to prison so that they can get drugs.

Education, honesty and responsibility are the only answers.

Quagmire
Drugs are dangerous, but just what is our exit strategy from the quagmire of the failed War on Drugs? Incidentally, just what is our exit strategy from the quagmire of the failed War on Poverty?

Libertarian vs Conservative
I am once again pleased to reject conservatism in place of Libertarianism, or at least small 'l' libertarianism. Only fools take drugs--or ski, or sky dive, etc--but even an atheist god looks out for drunks and little old ladies in tennis shoes. The least government is the best government, all else will sort itself out best in a free society and a free market. Happy Independence Day, such as it is. Chas in Dayton

fascinating discussion
it is amazing to me that both liberals and conservatives agree on this issue but can't get our legislators to do anything about it.

here in california it is a tug of war between the federal and state government.

the people of california voted for medical marijuana and set up a fairly good system for controlling it

yet the federal government refuses to recognize the state law and about every six months initiates a big raid on these dispensarys set up by the state.

it is a waste of taxpayer money and more importantly, it it goes against the will of the people.

somehow somewhere, there needs to be a coalition of brave politicians who stand up and say enough.

there is a lot of common sense on this board, except on the part of the author.

legalization seems to be the best answer but our govenment will not listen.

Pot experts
People who smoke pot think they are experts and that it is harmless because they aren't acting like mad drunks. How about when you can't get through the day without several hits at work? And how about when that leads to accidents because your coordination and depth perception is off? If you're even motivated to work. And lets not forget that you may not even remember what you are supposed to do at work. Also fight bouts of depression. I see all this everyday and I'm constantly told pot is harmless. Bs!!

Perry White
"Mountain Rose...If you were queen of the nation, is there anything outside your personal value system you'd allow your subjects to engage in?"
***************************************************

Dear Perry

If I were queen, I would allow you indulge in your submission fetish, by letting you grovel and kiss the toe of my thigh high patent leather boot with the 4" heels.

Any questions?

Where to begin?
I haven't toked in exactly THIRTY years and before that it was a lifetime total of maybe 20 times. Seemed a waste of time and money so no more weed. That simple.

Yet I know a VERY professional woman in a HIGHLY technical field who probably goes through 1-3 joints/night ONLY AFTER WORK and NEVER in the morning even on off days! If she didn't light up her meds for a variety of problems would do no good since they make her too nauseous to keep them down. NONE of them is available in a patch or other delivery system so what SHOULD she do?

I know there are legal synthetic forms of THC that take the place of smoking pot but if you can't keep pills DOWN how do they help?

Now for the @$$hole from El Paso:

THERE IS NO SPYING ON AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!!!!!
WHEN will you freaks get that through your granite-cased skulls?! The wiretaps STILL have to go through a FISA judge. They ONLY tap OVERSEAS!! That means that if they hear the overseas end of a terrorist plot they then GET A REGULAR WARRANT AND TAP ONE SPECIFIC phone on THIS end.

NOBODY is listening in to hear you whine about not being able to work because you get up stoned, go through the day stoned and go to sleep stoned IN YOUR MOTHER'S BASEMENT where whining libtards like you live.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Mountain Rose writes...
"If I were queen, I would allow you indulge in your submission fetish, by letting you grovel and kiss the toe of my thigh high patent leather boot with the 4" heels."

PW: And of course I'd be delighted to indulge your domination fetish by groveling at your feet.

But I asked if there was anything OUTSIDE your personal value system you'd allow your subjects to engage in.

No matter. I like you better already.

Pinto Man
There will always be people who "indulge" themselves at work or at inappropriate times. There will always be people who make mistakes. People will die because they make a mistake. That is what personal and real freedom is all about.

When you take freedom away from the misfit, you take it away from yourself. The government has long been restricting our rights in order to "save us."

This convoluted systems has me insuring you. It has me doing what you believe is right. It has me wearing seatbelts to avoid a $200 fine. It has hundreds of thousand Americans paying billions to fill our streets with traffic cops to save a dozen lives. If we dropped the speed limit to 30 mph we'd save another dozen. Freedom is about risk - personal risk.

YOU don't have to take any, but you are depriving yourself (and the rest of us) of a full life.

Perry White
LOL!

hi wratwrangler
You seem to know about this woman's medical condition, but didn't say anything specific.
I have systemic lupus. It's an auto immune disorder that can manifest like being extremely elderly. You run the same gamut of vulnerability to arthritis and so on.
I'm also on my second pacemaker and had a body part removed. I also had to be on several meds that made me nauseous. The remedy?
I've ALWAYS had an exemplary life of excellent diet, lots of exercise and stress reducing leisure activity with no recreational substances.
I no longer need ANY of the medications I was on.

I have found though, that those who just like the high of pot, will use any excuse to indulge, even if their medical conditions don't warrant it at all.

There are DISCIPLINES involved in wellness without medications, and some people just don't want to be that bothered. Even though said disciplines are really common sense and not all the hard to accomplish.


George Carlin Said It Best:
When comparing pot to alcohol.

With pot:... "you don't puke on your shoes"...

(from the Album "Toledo Window Box".)

Woody from Iowa

Well, Perry
the drug culture didn't arise from or get promoted by conservatives and/or liberarians.

Sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll doesn't come from the Rep. Party.

Conservatives don't think you're hip or cool for doing drugs.

BUT LIBEALS DO, and illegal drugs became embedded in general Am. culture through lib. organizaions like the ACLU supporting their *private* use and hippy-dippy-yippy-dom celebrating itself with illegal drugs. They weren't conservatives.

I'll stand by the orig. statement: the drug culture is the most successful liberal program ever.

We don't need Big Brother
to "save us from ourselves"!!! That's the allure of the Nanny State. DAMN the Nanny State to Hell!!! If I want to light fireworks and I'm not hurting anyone (or myself) or starting fires or disturbing livestock or domesticated animals leave me alone. If I want to light a premium cigar OUTSIDE in open air with a breeze get out of my face!!! Hear that Mikey Doomsberg?

If I want to use a primitive 18th century longrifle with a patched round soft lead ball to hunt the odd deer I don't want some gerbil from a state agency (elected by NOBODY and accountable to NOBODY) telling me I can't shoot there.

If I want to eat REAL popcorn in a movie house I want REAL popcorn!! They charge like sin for the drek they DO sell anyway so I ought to be real popped in oil corn, NOT "air popped and healthy"!

If I want to drive my Aston at least 75mph where it's the posted limit I don't want some alphabet agency dork telling me "speed kills"! The Nixon Crawl (55mph) is fast enough to kill you and everyone in both cars but slow enough to fool you into thinking your "safe".

I am slowly beginning to understand why folks move into remote areas of the Mountain States, AND why the federales like to send their "alphabet army" like ATF and DEA to "make examples of them".

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Q.E.D.
Brent:
Your correct observation that the Hollywood elites promote pot smoking and other illegal drug use by young people is supported by the comments by the latter to your column. What lemmings these potheads are!

Pot Issues
Issue : Pot causes depression
Response : This report was written by a federal
agency with a financial interest in maintaining current drug policies. It is a long way from being a well researched scientific finding.

Issue : Increased admissions at drug rehab shows an increase in marijuana addiction.
Response : It reflects an increase in court referrals. In my town driving after midnight
will result in field sobriety tests and drug searches. This aggressive enforcement results in many charges for small (less a than a gram) marijuana charges and referrals to rehab.

Issue : Marijuana sells finance terrorists
Response : Our draconian drug laws and aggressive enforcement insure a tight supply and high profits for criminals and terrorists.

My conclusion : The penalties for using marijuana are more dangerous than the drug itself.

No, I do not use drugs.




Amsterdam
I spoke to my Chaps at home and it turns out that the selection of marijuana in Amsterdam, is the best in recent years.Puff,Puff goes the magic dragon!!!

To Boone
The "lemmings" are those who still cling to the "Reefer Madness", DuPont and Hearst propaganda brainwashing stupidity being preached for so many years.

To those who think its a liberal indulgence, pot has no political affiliation...

Woody from Iowa

Potheads are deluding themselves
Brent-
Thanks for your wonderful column. Having family and friends that have used pot, some over many years, I've seen what it does to people over the long term. Potheads can't see it, because their "reality" is different from those who have chosen not to indulge. They're only deluding themselves. Also haven't seen mentioned that it's much stronger and more addictive now then when it really starting getting used in the 60's and 70's, when I was growing up. And sorry, for medical use? LOL!!! I doubt more than 1 in 10 really need it who have that designation - most only use it to get "high" - especially since there are legal drugs that can control nausea, etc., so well these days.

Dopers for Obama

Who else would a stoner vote for?

Obama Nation = Abomonation

This is the one subject
That makes me a Libertarian. If booze and tobacco are legal, dammit, so should Marijuana.

TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT all around. Mommy won't let me smoke a cigarette in a bar anymore, Mommy bans trans-fat, Mommy this, Mommy that.

THROW ALL THE BASTARDS OUT! VIVA LA CONSTITUTION!

Michagan Ruth
"when is this country going to come to its senses and enact sensible drug policies?"

When is this country going to come to it's senses and enact ANY sensible policy?

IDIOT!!!!!!!!
Bozo:
"a teenager who has been depressed in the past year was more than twice as likely to have used marijuana than teenagers who have not reported being depressed (25 percent compared with 12 percent)....So much for the "harmless" nature of pot."

This reasoning also proves that Aspirin causes Headache.

Kids will always imitate what they see
When 3-5 year old boys are sneaking up behind their sisters and clapping their hands over their ears (an assault move) you know they didn't learn it naturally. The same goes for drug use. As long as adults are doing alcohol they don't have any room to be judging the issue of pot. I've seen people miss work due to hangovers enough times it makes me sick to think of the burden it places on businesses.

Drug abusers will tell....
you that their drug of choice is not a problem. I have a family member that drinks constantly and will tell you that there is nothing wrong with having a few beers once in a while. Marihuana distorts time and space and that is a fact. A common accident with motor vehicles for marihuana smokers is rear ending vehicles due to an inability to accurately judge stopping distance. It is not safe to drive or fly and aircraft under the influence of marihuana. No one can tell me that a substance that you burn and inhale the smoke deep into the lungs is safe and/or harmless. I have known people that constantly smoke dope and they have problems maintaining a job. Marihuana is not harmless. No drug, including most medicines, are harmless. The fact that it is illegal should be a sufficient reason to not break the law.

to Chad
Keep it in your pants, man! This has absolutely nothing to do with the White House or Conservatives or Liberals.

Pot does not have a political affiliation. Though I agree with you that it is basically harmless, your ranting and raving does nothing to prove a point or give credibility to our position!

Woody from Iowa

Chad, grow a brain!!
I am so far right I make Rush look like Al Franken, but I have a problem with the priorities of the War on Drugs. Focusing on casual tokers and small quantities diverts money from the vermin who cut heroin with rat poison or whatever they can find and market it to tweens!

Meth is another but harder one to deal with since it's synthetic. For every meth kitchen you shut down at least one will pop up elsewhere. I am disgusted at what has happened to Kalispell, MT which is ranch counrty and had some of the best elk and mule deer herds in the Rocky Mt. states. Kids strolling around while losers cruise around and pick them up for a few hits of meth.

Watch "The Montana Meth" video. THAT'S a reason to spend $ on drug wars not some co-ed who loosens up before a long study session with a few tokes from a single joint.

I don't smoke anything but a premium cigar now and then and haven't toked in 30 years but if my tax money is going to be directed at drugs aim it at the coca and poppy fields and the Asian heroin STILL coming into the U.S.!

-Ray
NRA Life Member

legalization and medical issues
In the 1970's a U S government study concluded that marijuana was harmless. The report was promptly quashed because it did not reach the conclusion that marijuana was harmful.
On the medical issues, marijuana is successful in anti-nausea situations precisely because it is smoked. To the concerns about lung damage, vaporizers are available that negate the issue of "burning" smoking marijuana. A question for doctors--who in their right mind would give a patient puking his guts out a pill??
Marijuana cannot be patented, therefore the "drug companies" have no interest in seeing it legalized.

GETTIN' STONED
I used to be on the dean's list,but then I got high...

Marijuana makes you stoopid after prolonged use.I wish I could get all the time & $$ WASTED(such a commonly used term) on weed.I makes you a chronic underacheiver

gettin stoned...
I used to be on the dean's list,but then I got high...

Marijuana makes you stoopid after prolonged use.I wish I could get all the time & $$ WASTED(such a commonly used term) on weed.I makes you a chronic underacheiver

I can't believe how stupid
some people are. Yes, we ALL went to school with stoners (or whatever they were called during your time). And we all saw how they acted. Their attitudes were $hit, their grades were lousy, they were lazy, apathetic, and only humorous to themselves, people who were also stoned, and others so desperate that they'd laugh just to be accepted. Think Jeff Spiccoli in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" (a movie from my era that I LOATHED) and you have the idea.

Bozell is right that Hollywood always glorifies bad behavior, but ain't around to pick up the pieces. And they are also very selective about the vices they choose to celebrate.

As a Libertarian, I support legalization of marijuana, but not because it's harmless. So don't insult my intelligence by trying to argue that it's a "victimless" crime. I've seen too many lives and promising careers ruined by drugs and the cavalier attitude that inspires their use.

News to me
As a daily user for 10+ years and a scholar well on my way toward receiving a PhD from a widely respected institution, I'm really getting a kick out of these "stoners are stupid" comments.

A lot of people are stupid. Some of those people use marijuana. Some of them don't. To blame a lack of intelligence, common sense, or motivation on a the use of a plant is simply a cop-out.


So Much for "Democracy"
This message board proves the point that we will never vote ourselves into freedom.

On a conservative site, the majority of both conservative and liberal posters have identified the key issues that prove the illegality, immorality, and stupidity of the federal "War on [some] Drugs." But the War on Drugs is such an incredible gravy train, it will never be derailed by the vote. Both "conservative" and "liberal" politicians have too much invested in it.

In several states--including my own state, Arizona--voters have passed initiatives legalizing pot for personal or medical use. The feds, and often, even the state governments just pretend the initiative never happened, and go merrily on imprisoning people for peaceful behavior. This, despite the fact the federal government has no authority in the area of drugs and medication whatsoever, if you really believe in what the Constitution says. (You will scan the enumerated powers in Article 1, Section 8 in vain for any hint of such powers.)

Our political leaders show absolutely no moral conflict about rounding up and imprisoning people for doing exactly what they did as youths. This is true of George W. Bush, the alleged "conservative," as well as Barack Obama, the supposed "liberal." I can't say for certain about McCain, although it would not surprise me if a foul-mouthed, evil-tempered, bottom-of-the-class mediocrity like him also toked up when he was a student.

As a libertarian, I realized many years ago that we're not going to vote ourselves into freedom. It's going to take a revolution, unfortunately.

Ergum
""Yes, we ALL went to school with stoners (or whatever they were called during your time). And we all saw how they acted. Their attitudes were $hit, their grades were lousy, they were lazy, apathetic, and only humorous to themselves, ""

Do you see a single poster here advocating giving pot to Kids??? This even includes the Liberals that I usually argue with relentlessly.

You're battling straw men Ergum.

If Liberls and Conservatives can both agree the War On Pot is a really bad idea, maybe it should tell you something.

Attitudes like yours turned me from Respectable Citizen to "First Time Drug Offender" in 2005, because my state legislature still hasn't heard the voice of it's citizens and made medical marijuana legal.

I live in constant pain, often bordering on agony. My doctor tried every pharmaceutical pain reliver there was on me. They were all either innefective, or turned me into a zombie.

Finally, she told me to try smoking pot.
I got my life back!
I went from a "Useless Cripple" stoned out of my mind on vicodin, living off disability checks, to a self employed taxpayer again.

Now you tell me that you want to take that away from me because you think it's Bad for me?

The most dangerous thing about it is the risk of imprisonment. Trust me, sleeping on a concrete floor of a holding cell is Not good for the arthritis. (Not to mention 6 months of daily agony without my 'Painkiller')

I bet you rail against the "Nanny state" when you see anti-smoking laws, and trans-fat bans, yet you think it's perfectly fine to prevent me from living a normal life, because you have swallowed the propaganda the govt. has fed you for the past 60 years?


Before you call me a flaming lib, understand this, I'm a card carrying republican and have been since 1980. I'm somewhere to the left of Atilla the Hun, But the Nanny state is Wrong regardless of who is doing the Nannying.

Keep it away from kids
Legalize it.

It's easier for teenagers to get a bag of pot than a pack of cigrarettes.

Yeah the WOD is doing a bang up job.

Want to keep pot away from kids, legalize it.
Make it available using either the tobacco or liquor policy put taxes on it, and still give potheads a big price break.

You'd shut down gangs, and put the mob out of the illegal pot business.

Not to mention, you'd be giving farmers a new cash crop that doesn't harm the soil.

Clear up the national debt in less than 10 years, Legalize and tax pot.

And for yuou Obama supporters, don't expect him to stop the WOD, that would mean smaller government. When pot is finally legalized, it will be by a conservative, not a liberal.

Some things aren't what they used to be
I'm a bit concerned about the process of legalising cannabis as it now exists. People who smoked it as recently as the early 80's (in the UK at least) don't realise that cannabis is a different beast, sometimes ten times as strong as the substance they partook of. It's been selectively bred to become stronger and stronger and, again in the UK, once skunk hit the scene the game was up.

And yet, can see the rationale behind legalising it in some form: say, as a pill, which would contain a measured amount of the active ingredients - there are over 60 of them, but the main one is tetrahydrocannabinol - validated by a governmental agency.

The times when cannabis was grown by strange young men in their bedrooms to the soundtrack of sub-Floyd psychadelia are gone. Again, in the UK, if dealers can rent a 3-bedroom house and use every possible square foot to grow plants, they can harvest £100,000 per year; more if the gardener is paid in the drug, still more if the plants are tended by trafficked children.

Politicians who push each other out of the way to say they inhaled are somewhat behind the times - some things just aren't what they used to be.

Frugal Dougal
Cambridgeshire
England
NE Alabama

You can't fix stupid!!!!
The Blue Collar guys are right about that. Once stupid ALWAYS stupid. I work at a renowned medical college. I can't say how many but a percentage of lab techs, research associates and students are casual tokers. NOT glued to a bong in Mommy's basement writing computer viruses and sending them into cyberspace laughing like Beavis and Butthead.

The "stupid stoners" would STILL be just as stupid, the pot just encourages their stupidity as booze will do.

-Ray

False science
That fact that some people who are clinically depressed have a marijuana habit does mean marijuana caused the depression. Marijuana contains a powerful drug that should not be toyed with, but to ascribe cause and effect, as Mr. Bozell does, is false science.

Jackpine
It's much better for your liver too. I'm glad you've found something that works. : )

For all of you who think marijuana is a baaaad thing, fine. But it's not your job or the government's to protect us from ourselves. Don't partake, teach your kids not to partake - bully for you. But you can keep your nanny busybody indignant moralizing to yourself and at least appear like you're not a liberty hypocrite.

It isn't bad????
I knew a man in the Army who was heavy into smoking pot. He was sent to the field and ran out. He had to be led by the hand as he cried, cringing at every sound. He simply could not handle anything out of the ordinary. Even the slightest problem was too much for him. You can't tell me pot does not harm a person after seeing him.

Don't tell anyone "you can handle it". That is a lie, not really to me but to yourself. You can't, short and sweet. If you could, you could walk away from it and never look back. It is far worse than alcohol, so don't compare it. Only alcoholics get hooked on alcohol; everyone who tries it gets hooked on pot.

The reason it was made illegal in the first place in the very early 1900's is because, as a legal product, people could not handle it. Worse, they tended to take out that problem on others such as spouse and children. And even though it was very cheap even by the standards of that day, people were still committing a lot of crimes to get money to buy more since they were unable to hold even the simplest jobs.

If you want to use it, I don't care. But don't come around me. And don't get upset at the reception you get if you do.

@45caliber
actually, pot wasn't illegal until Nixon was elected to office. And not all that use it get hooked. I've used it more than once, but I haven't had any in more than 2 years and it was a couple of years before my last toke that I had used any. I've smoked a cigarette and craved another more times than I've craved pot. And I'm the norm for most people who have tried it, not the exception.

pot
Drugs which ones the man takes it,he will become a habitat of it,its such a dirty one that the man forgets all and he can't be without drugs.pot is also type of drugs only.The drugs and pot are illegal now also but people are taking it by breaking the rule of law.
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