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Friday, June 27, 2008
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Remembering George Carlin
by Brent Bozell
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Everyone loves a person who makes you laugh, and you naturally mourn when a comedian passes away. George Carlin made a lot of people laugh with his observational humor, and we're saddened by the loss. But the media appreciations of Carlin hail him for his daring in "crossing the line" of good taste. This was not something to be celebrated.

The nation's top newspapers added some depth. Paul Farhi in The Washington Post noted two Carlin comic personalities. There was Gentle George, the absurdist who made fun of language, even the sound of words like "yogurt." He was riotous fun. Then came Angry George, the one who "sprayed comic acid on whatever moved across the front page."

"Sprayed comic acid" is a perfect turn of phrase. In the early decades of television, comedians were "insulting," but that word necessarily must contain the quotation marks. Think of Don Rickles during the Dean Martin roasts. He savaged his targets mercilessly, and the more "insulting" the broadside, the more his victim (and his audience) roared with laughter. Rickles didn't mean a word of it.

But Carlin came armed with insults that were meant to wound. He meant to pulverize politeness into dust.

Gentle George came first, with his goofy Hippy-Dippy Weatherman, with this overnight forecast: "Continued mostly dark tonight turning to widely scattered light in the morning." But he began to hate the "conservative people" who liked this "superficial" humor. Angry George became the voice of the American counterculture that loved to pick a fight on the "Seven Dirty Words" and derived great joy in offending.

Carlin's 2004 book was titled "When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops?" In an interview on NBC, Carlin recounted how "it offends all three major religions, plus the vegetarians. So there's a bonus in there." A eulogist in USA Today warmly noted that no one should "go all sappy and commit the sin" that Carlin the religion-mocker has "joined some celestial Friars Club in the sky."

But it wasn't just religious people that Carlin loathed. Carlin sounded like he hated everyone. One of his last HBO specials was called "Life Is Worth Losing," a sour rebuttal to Bishop Fulton Sheen's old TV show "Life is Worth Living." He "joked" of an "All Suicide Channel" on cable TV, and how you could talk stupid humans to jump into the Grand Canyon during sweeps periods. The original title was slated to be "I Like It When A Lot of People Die." He was talked out of that title once after 9/11, and again after Hurricane Katrina.

The New York Times obituary captured how Angry George went seriously awry. Carlin's celebrated "Seven Dirty Words" routine came in the 1970s, but from the 1990s forward, Carlin became "the comedy circuit's most splenetic curmudgeon, raging over the shallowness of a 'me first' culture," even mocking baby boomers "who went from 'do your thing' to 'just say no' " and "from cocaine to Rogaine."

That last line is especially odd, considering Carlin overcame a cocaine addiction. Apparently, the Rogaine line was just too clever for him to bow to any of his own life experience. Is a transition from cocaine to Rogaine really a step backward?

But this was nothing compared to several "jokes" he unspooled in 1999. He mocked the response to the massacre at Columbine High School: "The artificial weeping in this country, this nationwide mourning for dead people ... and these ribbons and these teddy bears and these little places where they put notes to dead people and all this s-t [are] embarrassing and unnecessary, and it just shows how ... emotionally immature the American people as a class are."

He even displayed an appetite for terrorism: "The very idea that you can set off a bomb in a marketplace and kill several hundred people is exciting and stimulating, and I see it as a form of entertainment Airport security is a stupid idea, it's a waste of money, and it's only there for one reason: to make white people feel safe."

These lines were not designed for laughs: They're not funny. They will probably not make the highlight reels when the Kennedy Center awards Carlin their Mark Twain prize for humor in November. So why laud them for "making people think"? People ought to think twice when they honor a man for being an "icon of free speech."

In the sad final analysis, Carlin betrayed the promise of the hippie counterculture, that the establishment would be wiped away, and only love and peace would remain. He joked that inside every cynic is a disappointed idealist. But hunting for idealism in Carlin's late work would be a search for a blade of hay in a large mountain of needles. In the end, George Carlin was a comedic genius who lost his sense of humor.

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But He Was Right About Columbine
Whether you think it was cynical or cruel, he nevertheless had a point about some of the things that came out of Columbine that just simply disrespected the victims of the shooting. I mean, would it make that victim up in heaven feel better about some materialistic remembrance? When my mother passed away a few years ago, me and my brother knew that the only thing that ever mattered to Mom was to be remembered and to have her spirit cross into heaven. We did that at the beach, on a day that was oddly cloudy, where we spread her ashes across the ocean, as she had requested. And you know what? There, through the clouds, was a huge beam of light coming down onto the ocean. We knew then that Mom had truly crossed over to the angels and was finally in peace.

So before you simply dismiss the idea that it is somehow ridiculous to honor those who suffered with material possessions or teddy bears, you need to take a moment and think to yourself: "Even though I'm doing this, am I really bringing the one that I loved so much closer to the light? Does remembrance mean a little bit more than just putting a teddy bear on a gravesite and maybe helping that angel reach the light they need to enter?"

Just a little food for thought. And Mr. Conductor shall surely be missed.

A brilliant...
but strangely embittered funny man.

Mr. Carlin
I remember laughing at his humor in the seventies. Then I was too busy to care about him(woking, raising kids after a divorce, dealing with organ cancer etc.)

He was forced into my life by radio personalities (mostly Imus)helping push his book" Brain Droppings". I was dismayed at the sheer anger he displayed in his appearances on radio.

Sad, he devolved into a cynical aging hippie who never matured. No wonder he was a leftie.

Nuggets of truth...
in the Columbine quote.

Columbine did bring out some of the worst in us, like 1960s-style "getting in touch with our feelings." The root-causers were out in full force. There were incredibly dorky songs that were intended more to promote the singers than the memories of the victims.

There's nothing wrong with briefly mourning a tragic and senseless loss of life, especially so many young kids, but you deal with your grief among family and friends and then you move on. Indulging our feelings and doing so publicly - the way many did after Columbine - is selfish and immature.

Anyway, Carlin sounds like he was a real hater. Even though he'd probably hate me for saying this, my condolences go out to his family.

He wouldn't bite the butts...
--
...of "social" pseudoconservatives so viciously if he weren't *RIGHT*.

And though he sometimes rubbed me on the rough a bit (I'm an American conservative, not one of the religious jerkwads who's just GOTTA spend every fifth breath insisting that the reason we're the last, best hope of mankind is because we're supposedly somehow the anointed of some kind of supernatural power that speaks directly to said religious jerkwads through *the* most redacted, abridged, padded, whacked-off, mis-translated, censored and politically stroked grab-bag of "scripture" on the planet) because he never really thought his economics through, he was right enough of the time to make Angry George humor savagely appropriate.

But Mr. Bozell doesn't get that, the self-satisfied, officious, navel-gazing schmuck. Says Mr. Bozell:

"But it wasn't just religious people that Carlin loathed. Carlin sounded like he hated everyone."


Well, hell, Brent.

Sounts like he surely hated *YOU*, didn't he?


And who could blame him?







=======
"I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to."

-- George Carlin



Sounds a helluva lot more truly conservative than Brent Bozell ever did, doesn't he?

--

Good turn of phrase
"In the end, George Carlin was a comedic genius who lost his sense of humor." One might say something similar about Lenny Bruce, Andy Kaufman, Dick Gregory, Mort Sahl, and Robin Williams. Bill Maher, Janeane Garofalo,Whoopi Goldberg, and innumerable lesser figures hardly warrant the description "genius"; but they, too, seem to have lost what sense of h. they ever possessed. It's probably not a coincidence that most of these people are (or were) Lefties. Certain -isms are evidently incompatible with maintaining a healthy s. of h. over the long term.

On the other hand, Ahmadinejad is steadily improving his stand-up routine.

Not a big fan
as he lost me early on with the undertone of deconstructionism in his "humor", but as the years went on and I caught snippets of his complaints about the devolution of our society and the culture, I couldn't help but ask myself, "Doesn't he know that he contributed to that?"

I suppose that now he does. Pity, that.

When comedians knew the difference
between funny and dirty, it seems to me that we laughed a lot more.

I enjoyed the Hippy-Dippy Weather Man and that character that led the indians into the woods and Limping Ox who had to wear corrective moccasins (you cant even say that anymore) -- but since I take public transit, I hear enough of his tiresome Seven Last Words from 12 year olds to wish they would choke on them.

As for the Public Slop that has overwhelmed the world since Princess Diana was killed in a drunken driving accident, this is usually for the self-aggrandizement of the person weeping and piling up cheap toys and not for the victims at all. I think it is a fallout also from the way the government rushes Grief Counselors into every school to encourage kids to bawl and throw themselves about. I went to school in the days when children still died of diptheria, cholera, typhoid, TB and polio, besides diabetes and accidents, and we were taught that death is a part of life and that dignity was the way to handle your grief. Carlin was right about PDE -- save it for Shiva.

Early work was best
Class Clown in which he took on the Catholic Church for being inconsistent was some of his best work.It is still relevant today. Yes he was angry and his blasphemy has finally cost him but when he wasn't so angry he was SO FUNNY!

Football vs Baseball, Airport Gates, driving on a parkway and parking on a driveway. Why do women wear evening gowns vs night gowns.And my all time fav."Are there still guys in Hell doing time on the "meat" rap?


Carlin and Dillion
I put George Carlin in the same category of Bob Dillion. Both had very little tallent but a huge cult following. Carlin was no Red Skelton or Don Rickles. He was a "social critic" as if we dont have too many of those already. Like so many lefties he spent much of his life criticizing the very system which allowed him to "do his own thing" and prosper in the process. There was a time when a person could be funny without being insulting but like good taste those days are long gone.

my 2 cents
Carlin could be funny but not THAT funny and he was smart enough to shift his schtick to "edgy", etc. He made his money "raking over the shallowness of a me-first culture" while the clowns he was talking about sat in the audience roaring with laughter and congratulating themselves for being so enlightened.


Carlin
I enjoyed his humor for the most part...he would occasionally make me feel uncomfortable, but that's what he wanted to do. When my wife learned that he'd passed, she asked me, "I wonder if he's still an atheist?"
One final thought, one final chuckle. I for one will miss old George.

George Carlin was a comedian
and a social critic, and he was very good at both. Did he have to go to extremes to get our attention? Yes, sometimes he did. Is that his fault or our fault?

S J Doc
Tell us how you really feel!

I liked him.
I found S. J. Doc's 5:17 posting superior to Brent Bozell's article.

I am not all that familiar with Carlin, although I have seen a few HBO specials in which he does go after a number of sacred cows.

Especially political correctness. I thought he was hilarious in ridiculing that.

Edgy humor has an appeal.

There are different forms of humor.

I loved Jackie Gleason's "Honeymooners", as well as "All In The Family", but certainly the type of humor in each was not the same.

Carlin was a comedic genius.

And just because he attacked a few of Bozell's sacred cows does not mean he lost his sense of humor.

If you have even one sacred cow, that is one too many.

NOTHING should be exempt from scrutiny, and it is not against the law to lampoon sacred cows.

Death Trumps the Forbidden Words
I think why Imus liked George Carlin so much is because they both had dark, disturbing sides to their personalities. Maybe it was their shared affection for, and final rejection of, cocaine when they were younger. I preferred Don Rickles and Red Skelton because the implicit cultural criticism, if it was there at all, was more subdued and you got the warm feeling they liked people and loved life.

Most comedians today are not funny and not clever because they rely on bathroom, sexual, and four-letter words for jokes. And we have all heard them a million times before. Carlin, at least, was very innovative in many of his routines.

Carlin had no illusions about his own place in the world. I can just imagine him at the Pearly Gates saying to St. Peter: "Oh, my God, I'm in the wrong place!"

George Carlin Was a Trailblazer
In that he broke the dam free for raunchy humor. Even as early as the late 70s he was being over taken by the likes of Richard Pryor and later Eddie Murhpy (before SNL) on the comedy stip.

Carlin, like most modern humorists, was an angry man. He first began his career by emulating his childhood hero Danny Kaye. By the late 60s, however, he tappped into the Counter-Culture anger. The Bourgousie, that is the comfortable self-satisifed middle class, was his target. Orginally, he never understood that the Counter-Culture was fast becoming THE culture, and was itself becoming assimulated and taking on all of the charactaristics of those things he despised. I think he was too smart of a man not to realize that the Counter-Culture's hednoistic libertarianism couldn't quite mesh with its marxist collectivist idealism. Occaisonally he would tap into this vein of hypocrisy. But it eventually was up to other comic writers such as the writers for The Simpsons, Beavis and Butthead and South Park to lampoon the habits and mores of aging boomers.

Carlin saved his best vitriol for the Christian Middle Class; however, as he got older it had to dawn on him that he no longer lived in a world formed by his parents and grand parents. It had to occur to him he was living in a world of respectable Counter-Culture. I think much of his anger in his later years focused on the absurdity of his own generation. I think much of his anger can be traced to the realization that the hippes after all liked the comforts and the security of upper-middle class life. Yet, in thier wake they've left a broken world.

George Carlin And The Envelop
George Carlin was an icon to many who liked his 'edgy'humor.He started out many years ago and was 'different',but made you think and was humorous. I enjoyed watching him 'way back then.

He got edgier as time passed. Tried to see just how much he could 'get by with'. He made mincemeat of everything and everyone. Adding some no-no-words and phrases just made him more popular with many.

If he makes it to Heaven,when he gets to the Pearly Gates,St Peter will no doubt invite him in, but instruct him to wash his mouth out with soap and water. He may then use him for entertaining 'the troops'.

Humor vs. Irreverence

I was almost afraid to read this article. While having confidence in the character of Brent Bozell, I feared that he might feel obliged to join the media and others who have expressed nothing but praise for George Carlin. Yet if Bozell were to take the other path and do nothing but criticize George Carlin, this too would have been highly inappropriate.

Instead, Bozell took neither extreme and neither did he compromise; he simply told the truth. There was a time when Carlin was funny--delightfully funny, but that was a long time ago. Not many people can talk at length about a hot water heater and make you laugh. (As per Carlin, if it is already hot, why do you have to heat it?) Unfortunately, he later chose irreverence and shock-speech as his preferred trademark. With a society that also worships the art of insulting everything and anything, including God, he had a ready audience with no personal sense of morality. Perhaps it was even more that irreverence and disrespect chose him, and found in him an unwitting accomplice. It was a pitiful union. So-called humor is too often a cover for deep-seated anger at life and the Author of life.

All of us have a façade that we present to the world in some fashion or another. None of us outside of his family and close friends knew who the George Carlin was in his quiet moments and in his heart. I can only hope that bitterness was an ill-chosen covering for much sadness, and that a quieter man inside was not nearly as irreverent as his stand-up routine suggested. I fear for him, but I hope my fears are misplaced and that he now rests in peace, embarrassed but forgiven.

The quintessential angry old man
I saw Carlin's "classic" stuff and then I saw him a few years back when he was in his sixties. He was like the crazy, angry old guy sitting on the front porch shaking his fist and yelling at every car that drove by.

I felt sorry for him.

He's probably still shaking his fist and yelling - at SomeOne.

Very sad...

Carlin used to be funny...
Before he turned nasty, George Carlin was a genuinely funny fellow. His "Al Sleet" and "Indian Sergeant" characters were classic. He could be a little naughty in those days, but he was never dirty. Unfortunately, when Carlin joined the counterculture, he became downright filthy, and far less funny.

They say Carlin had a big influence on today's comedians. That's a shame. Most of today's comedians don't seem capable of getting laughs without resorting to foul language or blue humor. To compare those losers to Jack Benny or Bob Hope is almost sacrilegious.

I agree with Bozell
When I was a kid, just about the only time I could persuade my folks to let me stay up for THE TONIGHT SHOW was when Carlin was on. He was by far the funniest stand-up in America -- then. I collected his albums, too, and while rougher than his TV schticks they were still hilarious, and very pointed in their commentary.

Fast forward to about ten years ago. I was thrilled to hear he'd be playing my city, and I was first in line for tickets.

After a half-hour of unfunny streams of the Seven Words and nauseating fantasies about bodily dysfunction (such as his proposed used for scalp scabs), he launched into the harshest diatribe of the night, against Christianity. (Incidentally, no matter how "edgy" a performer claims to be, somehow it's always Christianity -- never the Eastern religions, islam or even Judaism -- that sparks their flame. Wonder why?)

At that point Carlin earned the distinction of being the first and only show that I have ever walked out on. Yes, it was offensive. But worse, it was pointless and UNFUNNY. I left not with anger, but with a great sadness at the talent that had been lost somewhere along the way.

Maybe he did get nastier in old age
But I remember reading that Carlin got his start with the help of Lenny Bruce.

Wasn't Lenny the definition of on the edge or 'counter culture' back then?

I'm a Christian, but still appreciated some of the jabs he made against the Church. His role in 'Dogma' was hilarious.

He might of PO'd me too if I'd gone to his stand up show, but I'll choose to remember that he made me laugh a LOT too.

The wrong writer
Mr. Bozell is just the wrong writer to do a piece on George Carlin. It's like asking Lawrence Welk to review a Miles Davis albumn. [Apologies in advance to those conservatives who love Lawrence Welk.]

Time Changes All Things
I loved Carlin's routine when I was growing up in the 60's...the "Hippy Dippy Weatherman, with the Hippy Dippy Weather, Man." But, as we both aged, his comedy changed until it just wasn't funny anymore. I was especially disturbed when his attacks were directed against whites and, for some strange reason, golf. I don't know what happened...I just prefer to remember George as he was when we were young.

SJDoc
"(I'm an American conservative, not one of the religious jerkwads who's just GOTTA spend every fifth breath insisting that the reason we're the last, best hope of mankind is because we're supposedly somehow the anointed of some kind of supernatural power that speaks directly to said religious jerkwads through *the* most redacted, abridged, padded, whacked-off, mis-translated, censored and politically stroked grab-bag of "scripture" on the planet)"

It looks like some of Carlin's late-in-life anger is catching.

Complex Man
I could not stand a lot of what he said but the following hits home for me:
CARLIN: Let me tell you about endangered species, all right? Saving endangered species is just one more arrogant attempt by humans to control nature. It's arrogant meddling. It's what got us in trouble in the first place. Doesn't anybody understand that? Interfering with nature. Over 90%, way over 90% of all the species that have ever lived on this planet, ever lived, are gone. They're extinct. We didn't kill them all. They just disappeared. That's what nature does. We're so self-important, so self-important. Everybody is going to save something now. Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails. And the greatest arrogance of all, save the planet. What?

Complex Man 2
I could not stand a lot of what he said but the following hits home for me:

CARLIN: I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths, people trying to make the world safe for their Volvos. There is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are (bleep) -- difference, difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. It's been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little more than 200 years.

jerabaub
NOTHING should be exempt from scrutiny, and it is not against the law to lampoon sacred cows.

Not yet but if Osama Obama is elected with a dem majority the "fairness doctrine" will protect liberal sacred cows.

Complex Man 3
I could not stand a lot of what he said but the following hits home for me:

CARLIN: Two hundred years versus four and a half billion, and we have the conceit to think that somehow we're a threat, that somehow we're going to put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun? The planet has been through a lot worse than us, been through all kinds of things worse than us, been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sunspots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles, hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages, and we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn't going anywhere. We are! We're going away.

To 'Paleocon' . . .
. . . you could hypothetically add the Monty Python troupe - whose "Flying Circus" TV show and movies are praised by the left-leaning media - as having lost much of what could be characterized as their sense of humor over the years (or at the very least, certain surviving individual members). Think Terry Jones' comments about Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez at the time of the failed coup against him, or Eric Idle's obscenity-laden screed "The FCC Song." And of course, Python were (and are) considered "trailblazers" in the "VLC" (Violence, Language, Content) department by the same liberal media who worshipped at the Carlin altar - the Pythons, too, sprang out of the very same "hippie/counterculture" ethos that shaped Carlin.

Also . . .
. . . the "special" which was to have been titled "I Like It When a Lot of People Die" ended up being called "Complaints and Grievances" - the special that preceded "Life Is Worth Losing."

in fairness
I suspect Carlin would have been disappointed if his material was such as to make Bozell happy. So this column is probably a better tribute to him than a more positive one would have been.

Ex-wyoming
You hit the nail on the head. Good post

Well said, SJDoc!
And you'd be angry too, Husker2, if you appreciate the damage the "jerkwads" have done--and continue to do--to the body politic.

It is wrong to speak ill of the dead.
Couldn't you at least say one nice thing about the guy. I hope you said the same thing about him when he was alive. Otherwise your article is cowardly.

The "Carlin in Heaven" tributes
It amazes me how many of the cartoons and other tributes to George Carlin have him at the pearly gates or otherwise going into eternity as Heaven's newest comic. Carlin's increasingly vitriolic and intolerant atheism marked his later years--he was sure there was no God; that the universe was "just a physics show" with no meaning. I enjoyed his comedy since childhood; but his early lampooning of his Catholic school education drove me to learn more about Christianity and Catholicism, which led me to the works of great minds such as Chesterton, C.S. Lewis and others who had more than a fourth-grade concept of the faith. Carlin was intelligent and creative with his humor; and I hope what God finally read in his heart at the time of his death was that he had been somehow injured so badly in his youth that he was unable to avoid raising his middle finger to the heavens for life; dismissing a God he thought had failed him. I hope he gets through the Gates; does good Purgatory time, and entertains us all in the Kingdom with humor so great we couldn't bear to hear it in our earthly bodies.

Doc Liberty writes
"he launched into the harshest diatribe of the night, against Christianity."

Excellent!

" (Incidentally, no matter how "edgy" a performer claims to be, somehow it's always Christianity -- never the Eastern religions, islam or even Judaism -- that sparks their flame."

What does "edgy" have to do a comedian's choice of target?

" Wonder why?)"

No.

Stunning!
"It is wrong to speak ill of the dead.
Couldn't you at least say one nice thing about the guy. I hope you said the same thing about him when he was alive. Otherwise your article is cowardly."

Where does this crap come from? So, Hitler loved his dogs. Stalin took showers. Mao used perfume. Enough?

The liberal censors are out in force today, not noting that the column quoted many other opinions and did say something nice. The article was balanced. Cowardly is a meaningless epithet.

2 more cents
Ernie Kovacs (The Nairobi Trio)
Jonathan Winters
Jimmy Durante
Bill Cosby
Jack Benny (NOW CUT THAT OUT!!!)

Eddie Murphy with Joe Piscopo on SNL.

You don't have to be a potty-mouth to be funny. If you ARE a potty-mouth that to me just means that you aren't very good so you go for the shock value.

and my 2 cents are up

Carlin was funny but....
I listened to Carlin and Pryor during the seventies and enjoyed the hell out of them at the time. I agree with Mr. Bozell- his humor as related to the mundane everyday part of life was absolutely hilarious. The "peoples stuff" bit is a riot to this day as well as other absolutely funny bits he performed. To say this man wasn't talented is not true. However, knowing the cynical side of him is the typical liberal nonsense I have heard from the likes of Fonda and others-... "The corporate culture...Capitalism... blah blah." These people live in a country where their talents and freedom of speech have made them rich and famous beyond their means. A little SELF REFLECTION would do a lot for these individuals who blame the country they live in for every evil in the world. Carlin hated religion. Actually Jesus wasn't to fond of it either. The Man who he mocked loved him unconditionally and died for him, and only asked one thing... Believe in Me for everlasting life...who knows maybe he secretly did. Hearing his life story is sad- his dad abused and his mom was ill- it's understandable his pain... But I had the same pain, it's what you do with it that makes the difference. He was an interesting man.

Good Job Brent
George Carlin spewed far more hate and cynicism than decent humor. Yes, I used the word "decent" implying there really is a standard for decency, moral absolutes and that sort of thing.

Unfortunately, for Mr. Carlin, he will discover that his blatant irreverence for sacred things and Jesus Christ in particular, did not cause any laughter at all in the realms of glory. I'm sure if he could only come back and do some stand up comedy right now, there would be a marked difference in his tone and in his content.

Of course, I'm only using my freedom of speech and basic sense of decency as well as my Christian beliefs to point these things out so I'm sure all the liberals who want to denegrate Christ and Christians will give me a pass as a token of their open mindedness and tolerance for being "edgy".

Jesus is Lord, as Mr. Carlin now knows without a doubt.

What a waste of talent
It is refreshing to hear someone say what he really thinks about someone who died. Like a previous poster, I was afraid that even Brent would sink to saying only nice things about Carlin because he is dead. I remember a crude and revolting man - it's too bad he wasted his talent.

Mellor here is the thing...
I sat through a live performance of Carlin's in the 90s which-if the tickets had not been a gift from my wife-I would have walked out on. And understand, at one time Carlin was my favorite comedian. Iloved his stuff.

I naturally showed up expecting jokes about dirty words and flatulent pets, and what I was treated to was over an hour of, "I hate republicans! These conservatives today are all F..n A..holes!"

Now those might be sentiments you agree with, but tell me, is it comedy? The audience did not think so, and they were a liberal audience, as this show was given on the Philadelphia Main Line. There was certainly a lot of applause, but very little laughter. And that would be fine if he were giving a hard core political lecture, but that is hardly what one expects at a comedy show.

And then I was told by others, "You conservatives just have no sense of humor"
But that is not at all the case. You see, I am not an idiot and as such I can tell the difference between good natured ribbing and a direct ideological insult.

Needless to say, I lost a lot of respect for Carlin that day, since clearly he does not think very much of me and those who share many of my beliefs.

But there is no denying that the guy had a gift for making people laugh. The trouble is, it is a gift he largely abandoned in his later years.

Hey Rich D. in PA
Alright maybe cowardly is going just abit to far. That Burrito I had for breakfest is giving me indigestion and making me cranky. My point being the time to critizes Carlin was when he was alive and could defend himself. Let a dead man rest in peace.

Comparing Carlin to Hilter, Moa and Stalin was a nice touch, as if one wasn't enough. Let me see on one side I have a very funny comdian who told some tasteless jokes on the other I have 3 men who KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.

Finally no where in my thread did I mention the word censor. I believe in mister Bozell's right to express his opinion. I just expressed mine.

Caliqula
I am seeing a trend from all of you hard core Carlin backers: you naturally think Carlin was hystetical and that we on the right simply have no sense of humor. But is that really true?

Or is it more accurate to say that you, like Carlin, think most conservatives are ignorant short sighted jackasses?

Because if that is the case, then I understand why you hold Carlin in such high regard, but you must understand that conservatives really would be morons if we felt the same way.

Imagine if you had a favorite stand up comic, who you discovered in later years, hated liberals and went out of his way to express it in many of his "Comedy" shows. Would you sit back and laugh as he told you what a scumbag those like you are? Or would you, like conservatives, feel insulted and lose respect for him? I am pretty sure I know the answer.

Why not just say what you really mean: "Carlin did not like conservatives and neither do I, so naturally I like him." That is really what this is all about.

Liberal Trolls
Every day one can expect the same herd of liberal trolls to comment on these columns.They never find anything positive to say,of course.

Not only do they make derogatory comments about the subject. They have a need to attack the writer. If it is so unpleasant to read,why bother?

I suppose they come here in order to take the news they find here back to Huffy/Kos and Soros.Having no original thought,they need to get their ideas from us.

If they had no townhall to read and could not read our comments to take the opposing side of our posts,they could not find one idea to their name.

Welcome,trolls,we are happy to help you become educated to the political scene.A new lesson each day. Politics 101.Todays lesson: How to educate a fool.

This man's opinion
If it is a direct intentional insult, regardless of who it is against, it is not comedy. Saying, "Hitler was evil," is not comedy since most of the free world agrees and it isnt news.

Saying, "Christians suck" and meaning it, is not comedy because it intentionally insults a large segment of your potential audience. Understand that there is a place for that kind of expression, I just do not happen to think it is at a comedy show.

brent bozell is just fine
I'm in Brent's corner. This is a sensible, if mirthless appraisal of an over-rated comic. So, now he's passed on; do we curmudgeons celebrate? Not at all.

When Brent Bozell is dead, goons will celebrate, that's understood.

Carlin is gone the way of all false idols; but I hope God can show him mercy. I'm sure he had his good qualities. Not on stage, just as a private person. On stage and TV, quality was Flip Wilson; Imo Philipps, Jose Jimenez --we laughed at every silly thing they did and said.

I watched Imo on YouTube a few weeks ago and he was a joy to see; something rare! Is that guy still living?

A bit of logic, eh, bob?
"I am seeing a trend from all of you hard core Carlin backers: you naturally think Carlin was hystetical and that we on the right simply have no sense of humor. But is that really true?

Or is it more accurate to say that you, like Carlin, think most conservatives are ignorant short sighted jackasses?"

While the second paragraph is self-evidently true, it has no connection to the first.

"Because if that is the case, then I understand why you hold Carlin in such high regard, but you must understand that conservatives really would be morons if we felt the same way. "

No. I hold Carlin in high regard because he a trail blazer, and--more often than not--hysterically funny. Ever hear his refridgerator sketch? Or his one on the coolness of cats?

"Imagine if you had a favorite stand up comic, who you discovered in later years, hated liberals and went out of his way to express it in many of his "Comedy" shows. Would you sit back and laugh as he told you what a scumbag those like you are? Or would you, like conservatives, feel insulted and lose respect for him? I am pretty sure I know the answer."

Really. And what would that be? That your opinion of a comic is dependent on whether the comic agrees with you? Mine doesn't.

"Why not just say what you really mean: "Carlin did not like conservatives and neither do I, so naturally I like him." That is really what this is all about."

No it's not, Bob. It's just what you think it's about.

Bob's illogical opinion
"If it is a direct intentional insult, regardless of who it is against, it is not comedy. Saying, "Hitler was evil," is not comedy since most of the free world agrees and it isnt news.

Saying, "Christians suck" and meaning it, is not comedy because it intentionally insults a large segment of your potential audience. Understand that there is a place for that kind of expression, I just do not happen to think it is at a comedy show."

So many logical flaws here, it's hard to know where to start.

1. I am certain there is at least one "direct intentional insult" that is funny.

2. "Saying, "Hitler was evil," is not comedy" because it's not funny, bob.

3. "Saying, "Christians suck" and meaning it, is not comedy because it intentionally insults a large segment of your potential audience." Hardly. Many comedians insult their intended audience and they're funny. Certainly they might lose their audience that way, but that has no bearing on the comedic quotient.

4. "Understand that there is a place for that kind of expression, I just do not happen to think it is at a comedy show." Possibly not. But so what?

Carlin was just a tired old windbag
Carlin is a case study in why people should seek religion as a guiding force in their lives. The guy was just an angry old windbag who used to be funny in his early years and ran out of material.

Bob
Bob: "Caliqula I am seeing a trend from all of you hard core Carlin backers: you naturally think Carlin was hystetical and that we on the right simply have no sense of humor. But is that really true?"

Well, precious few of you are. Ann Coulter tries, but she gets so crazed, and starts spouting out stupid stuff in her arguments. Her snarkiness can be amusing though.

"Or is it more accurate to say that you, like Carlin, think most conservatives are ignorant short sighted jackasses?"

Just the stuffed shirt, self-righteous Christofacist ones. The fiscally conservative, Libertarian types are right up my alley.

"Because if that is the case, then I understand why you hold Carlin in such high regard, but you must understand that conservatives really would be morons if we felt the same way."

You said it, bub, not me.

"Imagine if you had a favorite stand up comic, who you discovered in later years, hated liberals and went out of his way to express it in many of his "Comedy" shows. Would you sit back and laugh as he told you what a scumbag those like you are? Or would you, like conservatives, feel insulted and lose respect for him? I am pretty sure I know the answer."

Name me one comedian who fits this description. I cannot think of one. Of course, any comedian who thought highly of George II would have to be funny. Delusional, yes, but funny.

"Why not just say what you really mean: "Carlin did not like conservatives and neither do I, so naturally I like him." That is really what this is all about."

Actually, he ripped on the PC types, who usually are liberals.

BTW, it's Caligula, not Caliqula

Can't wait for this
"Carlin is a case study in why people should seek religion as a guiding force in their lives."

And just how, pray, would that be?

I Saw Carlin Live, He Was a Puke
I'm glad someone finally had the guts to write this article.

I was a naive fan of Carlin's, until I grew up. He was coming to Las Vegas for a show around 2002 or so, and I paid pretty expensive tickets to have excellent seats. Why? Well...It's the Legend, George Carlin, of course!

He came out on stage and after the initial applause died, he said to us, "Just to let you know, I hate Vegas audiences. You all are the scumb of the earth and what's wrong with the world. I don't give a crap what you think, but I'm going to be doing a show on HBO and I'm going to test material on you."

He then pulls out a script and sits on his stool, and then said, "Yeah, I'm gonna read a f-ing script! You don't like it, f-you! I don't give a crap, you people are worthless anyway."

And so, Mr. Funny Guy began to read his script. He never looked up from it, walk around on stage, he never made one effort to perform. He simply read.

Ever since then I hated the guy and boycotted anything he did. I hope there is a hell so that Georgie can slap his head and go, "F-Me!"

Caligula
"Subject: re: "Todd"
Watch Carlin's routine about "Men named Todd" on You Tube. He should have added "Brent" to that list"

Oddly, I was in the Vegas audience when he "tested" that material on us from is script.

Is it still considered a routine when he only read it out loud?

Sorry, I can appreciate even the most lewdest and craziest comics, but Carlin was no professional that night. I can't tell you how many comped dinners had to be given away to satisfy the people in the audience.

And Vegas folk love to drink, gamble, and wink wink...we're not stiff puritans. We're pretty easy to entertain. But that was completely out of bounds. If you don't know what I'm talking about, read my post above.

Before his death...
I happened upon a showing of his performance in NJ...simulcasted in a local bar. I think it was taped sometime back in the 80's judging from the material and style of clothing.

Not only was he not funny, he was angry and bitter at America. When audience members didn't take to some of his put-downs of NJ, he calmly changed the subject and said something to the effect that not everyone likes all his material.

That pretty much says it all: it's our fault, our stupidity, for his lack of funny material. I did not laugh one time in the 30 minutes I watched. My wife, after about 5-10 minutes, was begging me to change the channel.

I'd hate for my Swan Song to be a hatred-filled diatribe masquerading as stand-up comedy. Rest in peace, George.

Shells
I wouldn't be caught in Vegas. Tacky town.

I saw the clip on You Tube, and it was funny. Especially since I know a Todd who fits the description exactly.

I saw Carlin in DC twice, and he was hilarious (no reading of scripts there). The only show I saw that made me laugh harder was Bill Maher.

Caliguli
Not even visit Caesar's Palace, Caligula?

Taste is relative I suppose...hence this discussion.

MellorSJ's "Excellent" reply
DL, previously: "he launched into the harshest diatribe of the night, against Christianity."

MSJ: "Excellent!"

Borrowed from another Carlin vehicle, "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure".

DL: "(Incidentally, no matter how "edgy" a performer claims to be, somehow it's always Christianity -- never the Eastern religions, islam or even Judaism -- that sparks their flame."

SJM: What does "edgy" have to do a comedian's choice of target?

I just find it amusing that people who claim to be "daring, provocative, or trend-setting" or, in your own words, a "trail blazer," somehow wind up attacking the same target that all the other "edgy" "trail blazing" comedians do.

DL, previously: "Wonder why?)"

MSJ: "No."

More of the renowned leftist intellectual curiosity at work, I see. Actually, though, your answer to my second question confirms my answer to the first. Statements that would've ended Carlin's career as an anti-Semite if said about Judaism -- and as an "Islamophobe" about Islam -- are just peachy with all the soi disant "trail blazers."

With all due respect
to Mr. Carlin, I always thought of him as a kind of dirty old man. He also loved to put down those who believe in the invisible fairy person in the sky. I wonder what he thinks now?

This column says more
... about Brent Bozell and the respondents than it does about George Carln.

And that's OK. I thought Carlin was funny. And I'm one of those Florence King "arbiters of civilization" kinda gals. If I think it's disgusting, can you take it to the bank that it's uncivilized.

But disgusting can coexist with funny, as it did with George Carlin. "Jackass: The Movie" on the other hand? NOT funny.

Already expended too many words on this. Sure, Carlin was disgusting sometimes. He was funny too. Moving along...

Let's be honest, shall we?
He will not be missed.

Even by the MellorSJ's of the world. But for now he's useful for their purposes so let them rant.

Giving us a bad name
Mr. Bozell,

I typically enjoy your contributions to this site. However, you're criticism of Carlin's history helps solidify the perception that the Right is unable to appreciate humor.

George Carlin is a man whose political opinions I vehemently disagree with. However, his ability to cut through the nonsensical euphemisms of societal norms was unrivaled in the comedic culture of his day. He used profanity to expose the hypocritical politeness that infects day-to-day conversation. As an opponent of the PC nomenclature of our era, I'd think a man like yourself would appreciate his methods.

You are correct to disagree with his political conclusions, but to lambast a comedic genius so shortly after his death is disgraceful. Your reactionary and absurd column makes me ashamed to call you a brother in arms.

PS
I had to get really verbose to replace the word "Bulls***" in my last post. Carlin wouldn't approve, but I bet you would.

Marcus
Most conservatives have no problem with Carlin's subjects.He had a right to his opinions,just as you and I do.I like to hear some of 'the other side'.

He should not have had the right to pollute the airways with 'dirty'words and expressions.He pushed the envelope every time he was on the air.If we accepted today's vocabulary,tomorrow's would go a little farther.

If you are satisfied with the coarseness of today's comedians,and you seem to be,then he was acceptable with his brand of humor.I am not and was not.

Marcus
Your failure to discern the underlying motivation for Carlin's "humor" causes me to question your "conservative" bonafides.

Basically, sir, I think you are a liar.

Well put
Brent... nicely done, I was wondering how you would tackle the subject.

The saddest thing of all, for those who have eyes to see it, is the despair turned to rage that marked his loss of faith.

Carlin the wordsmith possessed a modicum of talent; but it was Carlin the apostate that marked the lions-share of his work.

As Brent notes, clever men can insult that which they love and all will laugh with them (inside humor about the Church done in just such a way is very funny), but the hate which drove his insults in the end proved humorless.

It is ironic that some "enlightened" USA Today eulogist suggest that we not imagine him in some "Celestial Friars Club"... I fear greatly that his despair is just now confronting him in its eternal might, and can only hope that the prayers of his mother, whom he mocked, lead him to some last moment of hope and repentance.

speaking of *not funny*
Did anyone see jimmy kimmel last night? Where he bleeps conversations as if someone is swearing or saying something inappropriate? He applied this format to Sesame Street. They made it appear that little bitty kids were saying sexually explicit things to elmo and cookie monster.

It was repulsive and not funny.

sad; sometimes funny mostly boring
There were some routines that were pretty funny, but for the last 25 year, he's been mostly boring.

He tried to be edgy.
He tried to be smart.

Let's face it, he was a drugged out "humorist" that confused hate for humor

Remembering Geotge Carlin
A simple one-word comment is sufficient:
Why?

Gnome Sane
I am lying about being a conservative because I thought George Carlin was funny? You think I make it my business to masquarade as a conservative on the internet, nefariously infiltrating message boards to defend liberal entertainers? Interesting theory, but I assure you I have better things to do with my time.

You, sir, are an idiot. If it weren't for the wretched language filter on this board I'd find much more colorful words to describe you.

It's morning again in America
No disrepect intended, but Carlin's passing signals the beginning of a better America. I am not saying I'm glad he died, but the bigger picture is that his generation, the 60's hippies and America haters, are fading away and the ones remaining are becoming irrelevant. The 60's was a good time in some areas such as civil rights, but mostly of it was a time for the destruction of America. Just listen to Carlin's monologs. This guy, like many of his generation, saw absolutely nothing that is good about America. So, I say to the 60's generation, thank you for the good times, but you will not be missed.

Christianity
I never thought Carlin was as funny as he was hyped as being, but I did enjoy some of his early work. I thought his contemporary Richard Pryor was funnier and more honest. That being said, during his later years, I heard him do an allegedly funny routine about Christianity that was basically a very long exercise in the straw man fallacy.

He described Christian faith and doctrine inaccurately and then made unfunny critical remarks about his description. His apparent ignorance about Christian doctrine and his extreme hostility and rage were obvious. I found myself hoping that his remarks would not influence others, although I suspect that they did.

I lost a lot of respect for him that day. He was either being irresponsible in commenting on something he was ignorant about, or he was deliberately misleading his audience because of his obvious bitterness and rage. It was sad.

reply to Marcus
Mr. Bozell is a true conservative; however you may classify your own ideological position, you are not. Conservatives in the proper sense are defenders of traditional morality and the forms of behavior congruent with it. Conservatism requires moral uniformity because conservatives understand that tradition, nature, and God are the sources of moral teachings. From a conservative viewpoint, there can be no room for a George Carlin or his humor. If anything, Mr. Bozell was too generous to Carlin; I suspect he did this because he thinks something good must be said when someone dies. However, at the level of fundamental conservative doctrine, such tolerance is inappropriate.

So, Marcus, you may be a libertarian, but you're no conservative.

Gestell -- irt Marcus
Gestell, I'm not sure if you're the right person to tell us the definition of "conservative."

Bozell is from the social camp of conservatism. There is also, among others, a libertarian camp to conservatism, to which apparently Marcus belongs. Social and libertarian conservatives have much in common, but also have much disagreement.

reply to Unca Alby
My point is that libertarians are simply not conservatives. They have never had a comfortable fit with conservatives. Back in the 1950s Framk Meyer and other "Naational Review" intellectuals concocted "fusionism," which was supposed to ally traditional conservatives with libertarians. They could agree on opposition to Communism and liberalism, but otherwise they had little in common. Traditional conservatives espouse a moral order grounded in religion, nature, or both together, and have no use for the wide-open tolerance that is a fundamental part of libertarianism. Today we hear of "social conservatives," who are really just plain old traditional conservatives. Mr. Bozell was a Catholic triumphalist long before any such label as social conservatism existed. His politics are those of the old Catholic Right, which is the most traditional of traditional conservatives, although some Southern conservatives might challenge this claim.

Libertarians do not believe in a moral order derived from Scripture or natural law, to be enforced by the power of government. In most respects they correctly see their origin as so-called "classical liberalism," known everywhere else on the planet as "neo-liberalism."

Libertarians will veer away from tradtional conservatives when it comes to protection or enlargement of individual liberties; traditional conservatives ultimately have to choose between God and individual liberties, and must choose the former.

Top-down names
can be argued over for ever. They are irrelevant.

The point is that those Gestell (IMO rightly) call "conservatives" and "libertarians" do indeed have different philosphies for (IMO) exactly the reasons Gestell outlines. Call them "peas" and "iron" if you like, the point is the definitions makes sense irrespective of the labels.

Under these definitions, peas and lead are fundamentally at odds.

The repubs needs to expel the evil "social conservatives" forthwith.

The real tragedy about Carlin...
Uncle Max writes: "You don't have to be a potty-mouth to be funny. If you ARE a potty-mouth that to me just means that you aren't very good so you go for the shock value."

I agree 100%, and so did many great comedians of the past. Red Skelton was once asked what he regarded as the secret to his success. He replied, "Hard work, perseverance, and no short cuts to laughs by using four-letter words."

I once saw an interview with Groucho Marx in which he expressed his disdain for blue humor. Groucho was no prude, but he thought dirty jokes were for amateurs. He said, "Anybody can get laughs by standing on a stage and telling dirty jokes."

Too bad George Carlin didn't heed that wisdom. The real thing is, Carlin was a genuinely talented comedian. Much of his early humor was not only funny, but downright clever. Too bad he decided to take on the "raw edge." When he went that direction, he ceased to be a clever humorist and became just another foul-mouthed smart aleck.


MellorSJ2
"The repubs needs to expel the evil "social conservatives" forthwith."

Ah, another example of good old liberal "tolerance." Can you say "hypocrisy"?

Comedic Genius!
I love George Carlin and always will if that makes me a conservative in name only, so be it.
His entire career has been amazing, shaking things up not conforming to our politically correct norms.
I think his best work is "You're All Diseased" I consider it a comedy classic, I see a lot of hated him for his anti-religious rants, good, he would've wanted it that way.
He was on of the cleverest potty mouths, with Richard Pryor and Lenny Bruce before him, even in his final days still standing strong.
Always challenging, always questioning the status quo.
Normally as I end this, I would say Rest In Peace George Carlin, but no, that's not who he was, I don't think he'd want to rest in peace and so do I.

Shells
Shells: "Not even visit Caesar's Palace, Caligula? Taste is relative I suppose...hence this discussion."

Unfortunately, I been there, done that, already got that t-shirt. It was for a business trip. I would prefer to see the ruins of Rome again(ah, I long to see the Spanish Steps again, eat yummy gelato, and see the hot Italian men...stop me! The memories are killing me.) I'm stuck in DC, land of the metrosexuals. I swear, they say San Francisco is the gayest city in the US, but I swear, no place is full of more gay men than DC. It's a shame for us single gals. Fortunately, it's also the most international (except maybe New York), so I can meet all sorts of yummy European guys here. I just met the most fantastic Russian this past month. It's been great!
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