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Wednesday, October 17, 2007
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Al Gore's Nobel Propaganda Prize
by Brent Bozell
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Twenty or 30 years ago, the Nobel Peace Prize was considered to be among the most prestigious awards in the world. It helped make historic figures out of Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa and Lech Walesa. But in the last 20 years, its prestige has lessened as its political correctness has hardened.

It went from an award that championed human rights to an award that honored dictators and terrorists (Mikhail Gorbachev, 1990, or Yasser Arafat, 1994). It even honored frauds -- Rigoberta Menchu, a Guatemalan Indian, was honored in 1992 upon the 500th anniversary of the historic voyage of that "oppressor" Christopher Columbus, based on an autobiography full of phony stories.

Today, the Nobel committee seems especially interested in using the Peace Prize to tweak American conservatives, honoring Jimmy Carter in 2002 (when it excluded him from Camp David accords honors in 1978) and now Al Gore in 2007. People are asking the obvious: How has Gore's alarmism on global warming aided world "peace"? The Nobel committee touted his efforts to "build up and disseminate greater knowledge about manmade climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change." In other words, one has nothing to do with the other.

Gore's victory makes it look much more like a Nobel Progressive Prize, awarded to lionize the world's greatest promoters of socialist, command-economy boilerplate. With the emphasis placed so heavily on Gore's "educational" campaigning, it's really a Nobel Propaganda Prize.

Since Al Gore's eco-doom crusade is less about peace and more about the perils of chlorofluorocarbons, was his Nobel controversial? Of course not. The American news media are celebrating Gore with gusto. Poor Al, so cruelly rejected from his deserved posting at the White House by partisan manipulators at the Supreme Court, is finally getting his due as a global genius.

Margaret Carlson, who sang tributes to the glory of the Clintons and the Gores as Time magazine's White House correspondent in the 1990s, went on TV to declare that Gore "rose above a great injustice" in the 2000 election and "became a prophet on an issue that is crucially important to the world."

On ABC's "World News," reporter David Wright called it "sweet vindication" and "the culmination of an extraordinary journey" that began at Harvard in the 1960s. (How Gore supposedly argued for global warming when all the environmentalists saw a "global cooling" crisis in the 1970s was not explained.) ABC's "Good Morning America" was also gooey, with reporter Kate Snow saying Gore won for "helping awaken the world to global warming," and has now achieved "a personal milestone, vindication of a sort ... a new entry for the history books."

By the next morning, ABC was interviewing another environmental extremist, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and asking why anyone in America has failed to embrace and endorse Gore, and Kennedy blamed the media. That's a little odd with all the cheerleading for Gore all around him, but Kennedy -- like most Kennedys -- sees things differently.

The media have "let down American democracy" by allowing a global-warming debate. Why? "The reason is because of a massive propaganda campaign by the Exxon Corp. and by others -- but largely funded by Exxon -- that has been very, very successful at persuading the media not to cover this issue seriously and reporters simply don't go read the science." Kennedy memo to the hundreds of real scientists questioning global warming: shut up.

The cheerleading was so profound over Gore's Norwegian honor that some in the press began to tout him immediately as a "tantalizing prospect" for the presidency in 2008. (This comes weeks after the same network politicos kvetched that Fred Thompson was getting into the race way too late.) As part of their Nobel Prize party, NBC's "Today" anchors dialed up Jimmy Carter, who says Gore is the "best qualified person in American to be president." That alone should chill the Gore for President enthusiasm.

Since when is an endorsement from Jimmy Carter, one of America's worst presidents, great political news? Yet no one in the media really believes Gore will throw his hat in the ring now that he's wearing that left-tilting Nobel halo around his head. It was easy and cheap for them all to hail his qualifications for the job, without any worries he'd actually challenge Hillary for the White House.

There is nothing conservatives would enjoy more than the prospect of this earth-tone-wearing, lockbox-jargon-droning man to believe the media and throw his hat into the ring. Run, Al, run.

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Working Overtime to Put Him Down
"There is nothing conservatives would enjoy more than the prospect of this earth-tone-wearing, lockbox-jargon-droning man to believe the media and throw his hat into the ring. Run, Al, run."

Oh, really? I've noticed that conservative commentators like Mr. Bozell have spent an awful lot of time trying to diminish Gore's achievement. Why would they bother if he was nothing more than a "jargon-droning" has-been who won a meaningless international prize for espousing a puffed-up cause? Could it be that a little sliver of reality is shining through and warning those commentators that Gore is in fact in extremely talented man who represents a real threat to their cause?


an alternate explanation for John
Regardless of Gore's achievements this award has nothing to do with its original intent. The Nobel Peace Prize used to have a lot of prestige associated with it.

It's now ranked right down with the academy award for documentaries: salience and truth are secondary to ideology. What a shame for the progressive and industrious legacy of Nobel.

No sliver of reality here
Put mildly, Gore is strange. His own state knew this when they didn't support him in 2000. How many presidential candidates don't carry their home state? Even Walter Mondale carried Minnesota in a 49-1 rout. That is why conservatives are hoping he throws his hat in the ring.

Plus, I really admire how Mr. Gore doesn't stiffle dissent from the global warming debate. I guess dissent from the leftist point of view is the same as tolerance. It is only a one-way street.

False Prophet
Blech. How chilling is that - Al Gore a prophet. Eeew. (I feel dirty just repeating it). Ick.

Wow is the Oregonian serious? A little sliver of reality might one day shed light on Oregon, but as for the rest of us, Al Gore is bigger than life, in our faces nonstop and thanks to the media, pollulting our airwaves. He's so full of his own self-grandeur that we can only hope that the reality will subside and give us some much needed clean, fresh air.

Al can't get enough of himself and the losers hanging on to his coattails can't puff him up enough.

Someone give him a pork chop and tell him he's been a good boy. Then sit him in the corner with kleig lights, a whirring camera, tell him he's on TV and the world is watching, and then let's lock the door and RUN!





False Prophet
Blech. How chilling is that - Al Gore a prophet. Eeew. (I feel dirty just repeating it). Ick.

Wow is the Oregonian serious? A little sliver of reality might one day shed light on Oregon, but as for the rest of us, Al Gore is bigger than life, in our faces nonstop and thanks to the media, pollulting our airwaves. He's so full of his own self-grandeur that we can only hope that the reality will subside and give us some much needed clean, fresh air.

Al can't get enough of himself and the losers hanging on to his coattails can't puff him up enough.

Someone give him a pork chop and tell him he's been a good boy. Then sit him in the corner with kleig lights, a whirring camera, tell him he's on TV and the world is watching, and then let's lock the door and RUN!





Hypocritical propagandizing buffoon
Al Gore is a clown spewing junk science out of the flower of his lapel. His book and movie on global warming is rampant with factual errors and downright falsehoods.

As for Robert F. Kennedy Jr., he's right that journalists don't read the science behind global warming. If they did, they would see that it's full of hyperbole and faulty conclusions.

Gore Derangement Syndrome
Ya gotta love it!! :o)


The dog
PriceyInTheOC

"Someone give him a pork chop and tell him he's been a good boy. Then sit him in the corner with kleig lights, a whirring camera, tell him he's on TV and the world is watching, and then let's lock the door and RUN!"

I think you want to tie that pork chop around his neck so the dog will play with him. Kinda cruel to leave the dog behind, any dog-- so how about we leave him in the company of the dog of a theory he espouses so cynically (and hypocritically).

You know that dog-- the one that "won't hunt?"


Now Let's Don't Get Insulting...
Foxy - While I agree with the metaphor, let's don't insult the dogs of this world by associating their species with Gore's global warming scam.


Revival of Gorebashing
In the light of Gore's Noble Peace Prize win, is anyone surprised that Gorebashing has also been revived by jealous right wing sheeple pundits who are being reminded that their guy was selected, not elected in 2000? Gore has proved there is life beyond politics and you can reinvent yourself and go on to do other things. Funny how things work out sometime--Gore is more successful now than he was back then and these idiots can't stand it. Personally, I'm enjoying the meltdown (get it, meltdown?).

Gore's Nobel Prize
Bozell asks the question - How has Gore's alarmism on global warming aided world "peace?" For anyone who has done their homework the answer is obvious. Global warming and the associated melting of Arctic and Antarctic ice will increase ocean levels and result in significant flooding along coast lines where large populations of people currently reside. Hundreds of millions of people will become refugees. That certainly has the potential of causing conflict. Preventing conflict should receive as much acclaim as resolving existing conflicts. Even if Gore is wrong and climate change does not significantly alter life on the planet, the poisons we're throwing into the atmosphere pollute. Those who advocate cleaning up those human waste products deserve recognition. Smog is the atmospheric equivalent of raw sewage. Each day hundred of millions of people including millions of Americas breathe into their bodies toxins that, if found in the water we drink or the food we eat, those who put them there would be facing criminals charges. We eat three times a day and drink eight or ten times, but we breathe 12 or more times a minute, so if anything the air should be cleaner than the food and water. Gore's work does not just address climate change. It has a direct and positive impact on the health and safety of each child and adult in America. He deserves the prize.

Sincerely;
Leonard Nolt

Waaa cry sniffle whine liberals GORE!
More Right wing envy, whining and moaning about the "mainstream media" and the fact that another "liberal" won the Nobel Peace Price.

Republicans are PRO war, any place, any time for any reason or no reason at all. So if they gave it to Gore to "tweak" the politics, GOOD, the GOP'ers, Neo-Cons deserve it because of the mess they made.

Vote Dem '08 and STOP! the madness

If republicans had any brains they would register Independent and become libertarians until the party returns to traditional conservatives.

Now stop crying and whining, your jealousy is very ugly.

P.S. the DO nothing about climate change and deny deny deny and whine and cry that nothing can be done is childish temper tantrums, and you babies need your diapers changed and a good can-O-whoop-a** opened on you brats. Yes a spanking. GROW UP, this I HATE Gore, Clinton, Liberals, MSM and any thing that is left of FAR Wacky right is getting OLD.

lET'S JUST CALL EACH OTHER NAMES
That will solve all the worlds problems. My father use to say if you have to raise your voice you have lost your arguement. I got very little from my father, but this one thing has been a big help in my life. Once I see a post that is more bashing than facts, I go on to the next one. Little in the comments here worth reading.

Want to bash me one on one, email me at barrym@tds.net or visit my blog

No BS Artist is full of BS!
"...their guy was selected, not elected in 2000?"

A graphic demonstration of the wisdom of the Founding Fathers when they included an Electorial College to provide a level playing field for the rural population vs. the population-heavy cities with their penchant for self-absorbtion.

oldrelayer
I'm with you. SS, DD

Pattern
1. Journalists (Clark, Suskind, Bernstein, Hersch etc) write books exposing the excesses of the Bush II administration. Those journalists are smeared as liars and incompetents.

2. Media publish information exposing the excesses of the Bush II administration. Those media are discredited as mendacious instruments of propaganda.

3. Churches speak out against the excesses of the Bush II administration. Those churches are audited and their clergy reprimanded while churches supporting the administration receive money and program assistance.

4. Colleges and universities teach the excesses of the Bush II administration. Those colleges and universities are smeared, discredited, and ridiculed as wellsprings of propaganda, their professors as academic incompetents, while others supporting the administration are encouraged as sources of new energy for the sitting government.

5. A national figure becomes the face of a scientific position opposed by the Bush II administration. His film on the subject wins an Oscar. The Oscar is discredited.

6. That same figure wins the Nobel Prize. The Nobel Prize is discredited.

7. Meanwhile, individuals in their private, public, and professional capacities oppose the excesses of the Bush II administration. They are branded as traitors.

Do we see a pattern here?

Leonard Nolt
Don't be an idiot, ok? Try seeing if any of your statements would be acceptable if similar ones were used by your political opponents. You say that Gore deserves a Nobel peace prize for preventing a potential conflict. Why doesn't Israel get one for taking out nuclear facilities in Syria and Iraq? Didn't that prevent conflicts? So Israel should get a Nobel peace prize, by your reasoning. Do you see how stupid that sounds?

Anyway, if mere relocation of people might lead to conflict, then wouldn't any change whatsoever potentially lead to conflict? And which group is most opposed to change? Conservatives. Maybe the whole conservative movement should get a Nobel Peace Prize.

Just admit it, ok? This prize tarnished the reputation of the prize more than it raised the reputation of the recipient.

Gore's achievement?
What did Gore achieve. The Nobel Prize is now equal to People's 50 most beautiful people. It's like being Moveon's "person of the year" which would pretty much make one the craziest person in the world.

Conservatives spend time on Gore because he's attempting to affect change on the entire world. The leftest's best chance to control anything is the environmental cause. The only problem is that Gore doesn't know s - - t about climate change. His propaganda film could cost us billions, mostly of which will go towards buying his worthless carbon credits. The man's a fraud and a his cause a hoax. He's worth the time that conservatives spend on him.

one has to laugh
at how predictable the comments are becoming. I threw out a few ideas before bedtime last night regarding why we on the right find Gore's win egregious. Not one of the Gore promoters has faced one of the ideas. Soothsayer actually had a good, funny line (who woulda thunk it?).

Leonard comes closest to answering the article, but misses the main complaint: the same science that is under debate for whether global warming is gonna kill us all is used to make the argument that, if we take action now and it doesn't kill us all, he's saved millions of lives. But that's a strawman because we disagree that it will kill us all in the first place: cold still kills more people each year than heat. More of the world will be arable if the temperature goes up a degree, and a more even global temperature means smaller storm events, not more (the global warming models call for the greatest heating at the poles, not the equator, so the heat differential should be less)


Hey Jet Pilot
Sorry you are offended by what you read here. Why don't you go to DailyKos or MoveOn? I think that you find that the discussions are much more to your liking. The webmasters there carefully expunge any dissenting opinion, so you won't be faced with, well, the TRUTH!

If this doesn't work for you, try reading "Alice in Wonderland." It's fiction may lack the realism of "Inconvenient Truth," but is funnier.

Let's see, now,
we have a dude from Oregon, a whole state patterned after San Francisco; no bs artist, who's still crying over 2000; Soothsayer, a poster everybody loves; jetpilot and robert, two of the most disappointing posters on the net (please, please Lord, don't let jp really be a commercial pilot); somebody called leonard nolt who's hiding under the overpass because the sky is obviously falling; and then, of course, Lilly, a favorite among us all. Lilly, I know it's late, but please get help.

None of you will get this, so I'm not really trying to convince you. It matters not what political party Al Gore belongs to; he is a magnificently proficient scam artist who has sucked so very many well-meaning people into his very profitable scheme.

A question for those listed above, especially nolt; let's say that all that melting north and south of us occurs as you suggested. What do you propose we do other than move away from the coasts?

Captain Planet
Gore has always fancied himself as the hero that will save us from ourselves and our polluted ways. So give him credit where credit is due... more carbon credits that is.

Lilly's pattern
Lilly

Yes I do see a pattern. you obviously don't like the Bush II administration. Beyond that it's all pretty thin.

The paranoia seems to be running high on the left.

On the plus side
From the standpoint of actual logic, the Nobel Peace Prize now shares honors with the Oscar(TM) for Best Documentary as an indicator that an Issue of Crashing Social Importance has had its day and is in decline. To wit;

1. In 1986, Dr. Helen Caldecott's pseudo-doc "If You Love This Planet", about the dangers of "Nuclear Winter", gets the Best Doc Oscar(TM). Shortly thereafter, "Nuclear Winter" hysteria and its objective, the "Nuclear Freeze" movement, vanished from the radar scope.

2. In 1990, Gorbachev receives the Nobel Peace Prize. In 1991, he's unemployed, because his company (the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) filed Chapter P-13 (Political Bankruptcy).

3. In 1994, Yasir Arafat gets the Nobel Peace medallion. In case no one's noticed, he's dead.

4. Jimmy Carter got the Nobel Peace slug in 2002. Is there anyone who still takes him seriously? (Outside of the WaPo and NYT newsrooms, that is- I'm referring to the real world.)

5. Kofi Annan got the Nobel in 2005- enough said.


And now AlGore From The Planet Eco has a twofer- 1 Oscar, 1 Nobel, for the same set of lies, half-truths, and various absolutist, elitist fantasies. The main result of which has been people subjecting his "theories" to scrutiny they can't really stand up to.

Proving that, if nothing else, the Best Doc Oscar and the Nobel (Booby) Prize are good indices that an "issue" has officially jumped the shark.


cheers

eon


What they should have done
What the Nobel Prize committee should have done was to have instituted a Nobel prize in environmentalism. They then could have given that to Gore. Giving him the Peace prize was just plain stupid.

Of course, a lot of us would think that Bjorn Lomborg would deserve such a prize more than Gore, but that's another matter.

The Nobel
is just another method of giving praise and publicity to leftist clowns.

Nobel's granting of the peace prize to Yasser Arafat, and their subsequent refusal to resind the prize when he failed to keep his promises, gives the Nobel about as much credability as
Jimmy Carter at a holocaust memorial service.

Smoking gun
To Lilly, johnoregon, jetpilot, and all other NON scientists out there: Here is just one of countless smoking guns against the absurd and totally unproven premise of human-induced glboal warming.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2007/09/25/ques tioning-20th-century-warmth/


You leftists are very skilled at propaganda, but FACTS seem to be anathema to you. Why? Insecurity? Peni$ envy? What's the reason?

Liberals reject freedom!

I don't know if Al Gore really believes all of the hyperbole that he spouts, but I do believe a lot liberal voters believe what he says.

To the leaders, it is a way of control. It is a way to manipulate the vote.

(By the way, Republicans do this too...of course, terrorism is a REAL threat.)

Anyway, I would be okay with liberals discussing what we could do to slow down global warming if they didn't try to COERCE us to make changes.

Don't FORCE me to buy less gas. Educate me on the benefits.

Give me the FREEDOM to make my own choice.

Of course, liberals don't work that way. They think it is fine that their leaders do whatever they want while they control the rest of us.

alldull and globull warming
alldull in his attempt to escape from irrelevancy cries wold in the form of his globull warming scam. He cites the worst case scenerio that the dullards on the left accept as truth. Meanwhile he gives speeeches, answers no questions and claims the debate is over. He has companies that sell carbon offets which in additional to the $175,000. speaking fee he commands further lines his bank accounts. He lives the most wasteful lifestyle using more energy than 30 plus families at his home in nashville and jets around the world in private jets, all the while lecturing the owerld on their energy wastes. And still the kooks on the left hail their high priest of mumbo jumboas earth's savior. Obviously gore is not a man of science or he would be encouraging further debate and seeking ways to realistically work on the problem than telling us we must stop living. There is no doubt the environment must be preserved and all should act as stewards and do what we can to preserve and limit our uses of scarce resources. But those on the left while mouthing the talk aren't fuirthering the discussion. Energy guru robt kennedy stopped a wind farm because it would be visable from the kennedy compound. Typical liberal hypocrite and the old nimby approach to solving problems. How about alldull adjusting his lifestyle to reflect what he commands the rest of the world to do or is he too busy lining his pockets with cash and touring the world as it's latest rock star and is blinded by the limelight he p[resently wallows in

Waawaawaa
The greatest thing about Gore's Nobel prize is how it makes conservative right wing lunatics go apoplectic with rage. Bozo here is good example.


Time for a new name
In accordance with the Truth in Advertising laws, the Nobel committee has changed the name of the formerly Peace prize to the Piece of Sh*t Prize. Al Gore should change his name to Mordecai Jones ( for those of you who don't understand - a fictional character played by the late George C Scott- the title character in the movie The Flim Flam Man).
To the libtard posters: we recognize that the earth's climate is dynamic( that means constantly changing for the intellectually challenged koolaid drinkers) and complex beyond our ability to explain it fully enough to panic over. We object to the use of this science by some to induce paranoia among the masses for the purpose of establishing control over the choices the plebians have available in how they live out their lives. Of course, the self proclaimed illuminati exempt themselves from any sacrifice they prescribe for we lesser citizens-saving us from ourselves must be hard work and rewarded by living a lavish lifestyle. Excuse me, it's time to empty the 5 gallon puke bucket.

The Brits saw the problem

British court rules that showing of Gore's Movie in schools must be balance wit another view due to inaccuracies in Gore's film

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/corporat e_law/article2633838.ece

One more indication China and Cons
Are one and the same...As U.S. Cons blast the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to an AMERICAN, China blasts the U.S. for awarding a Congressional Medal to the Dali Lama...

The carbon cycle
Life is based upon carbon. Science tells us that there is a thing called the carbon cycle, where the carbon in living things is recycled; through various forms of living things eating, and through subsequent release back into the atmosphere as CO2, only to be reabsorbed by plants to continue the cycle. However, for millions of years (apparantly), the carbon cycle has a serious leak in its recycle program. How else do the huge seams of peat, coal, and oil get formed? Surely not Noah's flood! ;-) Chareles Lyell's theory of Uniformatarionism, which all evolutionists implicitly believe, says all geology can be explained by processes we see today (nothing new under the sun idea). Therefore, since huge seams of peat, coal, and oil exist, we must assume the carbon cycle is still seriously leaking.

Life is based upon carbon. Once the Sahara was a small extension of the Sinai. Once the sparse Alaskan and Siberian tundras were lush tropical forests. Apparantly even the North Atlantic Seas, Gulf of Mexico, even the Antarctic were teaming with life. But no more. Could it be that there is not enough carbon in the "cycle" to support this much life any more?

While the lefties make the their brash assumption that today ( or is it 1930 ) is the best of all possible weather patterns (wait! 1930 was the hottest year on record!), I'm filling my SUV with another 50 gallons of gas and going for a long drive. Why? Because I support Life! Some plant somewhere needs that carbon. I just thank God for the technology we have so that I can do my part to help fix the carbon cycle before its too late.

On the nail, cyclist
Also eon.

Incidentally, Arafat died of AIDS (as he was a pederastic homosexual predator). Not one newspaper, even in Canada (as a dual Canuck-Yank, you can take it as a bit of nationalism) pointed out the poetic justice of Arafat being dead through "chain contact" with Gaetan Bouchard (AIDS "Patient 0", a Montreal-born Air-Canada flight purser)!

How a man who took a total of TWO natural science courses in his entire college education, and didn't exactly do impressively in either, can be considered as an authority on climate--that's like asking Stalin to speak on theology!

Fixing the problem
The only way that this degradation of the Nobel Peace Prize will be reversed will be for a future winner, someone actually deserving of the honor, to stand up before the Committee and say "Thanks, but no thanks. The Nobel Peace Prize is no longer what it was intended to be by its founder, and the list of recent people who have been "honored" with this award is not one I wish to be included on. Please get back to me if and when you decide to honor people for promoting peace in this world again."

no credibility
The Nobel Peace Prize has lost it’s credibility… and is also dragging down the rest of the brand. The committee has chosen Carter, Arafat, and Gore over deserving recipients.

Now whenever I hear “so and so has won the Nobel Prize for X” I just tune it out just like I would tune out a report of the “Sorros Award” of a million dollars.

Done... dead… irrelevant!

Millovdog,
you're such a sad, sad, critter. Does it make you happy to wake up angry every morning? Why are you here? The majority of those who post here don't give a tinker's damn what you think or say, and the other's are just as delusional as you seem to be.

Please understand, your posts are irrelevant. Go play in some other sandbox.

Another thing they could have done
They could have given him the Literature prize. His movie is fiction, after all.

Vanity Fair
If you want to read more about Al Gore, last month's Vanity Fair had an article about the rampant and unfair Gore-bashing by the MSM that they feel was probably a contributory cause to his losing the 2000 election. He is being vindicated in more ways than one.

Run, Al, run.


More deserveing recipients?
Like GW Bush? Wolfowitz? Kristol or other warmongers? Maybe the staff of Abu Ghraib or mercenaries of Blackwater would have been more deserveing in your eyes. Nothing says "peace" better to a conservative Christian than a American mercenary with fresh blodd in his hands. Or military interrogator using waterboarding... in the name of peace and liberty of course.

Gore derangement syndrome. You conservatives will never forgive him for getting more votes than your idiot in chief and still making hinmself an influental voice in global scale. And much more respected than the moron you chose.

Al Gore's crime is that he's in every imaginable way a better man than GWB. And that you can't forgive him.


alldull and the leftist wackos
to the far left the emmy, the oscar and now the nobel prize prove their new messiah proves they have rallied behind a true champion. Why settle for president when you can be a world-wide rock star, having kooks whorship at your feet and lining your bank account with millions while being just another huckster selling a new formula for snake oil. But what else is new for the left. Feeling good about something, even if it is a fraud, is still more important than accomplishing something. Alldull's energy consumption points pout he is no more than a hypocrite, lecturing the world about it's energy use but living like at least for him there is a limitless supply

And the 2007 Fuzzy prize
in the category of "most dangerous film to humanity" goes to...........................

It's a tie!

Al Gore and the IPCC panel. Congratulations!

Your carbon free Fuzzy award is in the mail.

To all you losers that didn't win, keep on trying in 2008.

AlGorerithm
It's all about one gigantic, convoluted AlGorerithm: man plus industry = global warming =
Al Gore's hysteria = Nobel Peace Prize = socialist propaganda. Bash Gore some more -- he's
the biggest fossil fool we've got. Le'Chaim.

Clinton '08? Hill no!

Ah, yes
The Nobel Peace Prize, now known as the Evil Leftist of the Year Prize. What a comedown from its days of prestige.

Speaking of world peace, isn't it time the world honor the U.S. Armed Forces for its major contribution to peace?

Now why do you suppose that won't happen???

New name:
Van Derangement Syndrome.

True, it is caused by GDS but both neither is considered life-threatening. With proper treatment and a govmint paid home to while away the days in until the grim reaper comes knocking, this vicims can spout their absurdities without actually having to have anyone listen to them.

Another liberal dimwit
"Yeah, i'm sure that the Nobel Peace prize winners really care what a couple of Warpublican know-Nothings think..."

Yeah. Try reading the comments before you comment on them.

The first premise of what I said was that it involved a future nominee who actually deserved the award based on Nobel's criteria for winning it.

In addition, the awardee in question would, presumably, be someone whose opinion the Committee would care about, seeing as they would have just given them the Nobel Peace Prize.

But maybe you're right. Maybe the Committee doesn't really gives a rat's a$$ about what the people they give these awards to stand for or believe. At least that would explain how Al Gore got the award.

As for "Warpublican know-Nothings": I don't even know what that is supposed to be mean, unless it is yet another example of the now classic black-and-white world that so many liberals live in. I am not a Republican. And I surely know a hell of a lot more about the world than you appear to.

If you're ever in doubt...
...about the Evil Leftist leanings of the MSM, ask yourself WHY THEY CARE SO MUCH ABOUT GORE:

"The cheerleading was so profound over Gore's Norwegian honor that some in the press began to tout him immediately as a "tantalizing prospect" for the presidency in 2008."

Why indeed would reporters and newscasters turn cartwheels every time Democrats receive an honor? Why do they do backflips when Democrats win elections? Why do they grouse and grumble when Republicans achieve victory? And why do they ALWAYS claim Republican victories can only be due to cheating?

Why indeed. Say goodbye to any hint of objectivity in those environs.

Infamy Thy Name is Liberal!
Say John in Oregon, exactly what 'achievement' of Al Gore's are you accusing Conservative commentators of running down?

Junk Science? Radical Alarmism? Making money via the 'carbon offset' scam? Bloated Housing? Private Airplanes? Whining over the loss of the 2000 Presidential Election? Extolling and legitimizing clothes for the overly plump? Inventing the Internet? Inspiring 'Love Story?'

Wow! That's quite a selection of achievements. Shouldn't he be appointed a god or something?

Jetpilot, if there was an award for inanity, stupidity, grossness, viciousness and creative lying---you know, being a Liberal---wait! There is. The Liberal Nobel Peace Prize. Facts be damned! Politics to the left be praised! Anyway, you'd qualify. Wake up before you disintegrate into a mud puddle!

Lilly, sorry about your continued illness. The usual left wing criticism of anything Conservative is rarely justified, and it hardly merits the concept of 'outing excesses' of it's enemy [let's face it, the Liberals see enemies behind every bush.] Facts are real, so kindly pay closer attention to them---maybe by leaving radical Liberalism?

The media are leftist, as their history has shown. The Nobel Peace Prizes have become leftist propaganda [often dishonest] as their history has shown: Jimmy Carter; Yasser Arafat; Kofi Annan; International Atomic Energy Agency; International Campaign to Ban Landmines; Oscar Sanchez; International Panel on Climated Change et al.

The UN and all it's arms are traditionally anti-American, anti-Jewish, anti-honesty in operation, anti-common sense, etc. Winning the 'Peace Prize' is a denigration of the award, and an indictment against the committee deciding on the winners.

Liberal Cowards and Liars
Liberals spent the early part of this decade TRYING to rehabilitate the images of Mr. Hillary Rodham-Clinton and Jimmy Carter. 2 Liberal, Girlyman, Cowards who left us vulnerable to terrorism. They think they have accomplished this, so now they have to prop up another Fat, Liberal, Girlyman, Coward of a Liberal Loser, Al Snore. They would’ve done this for whoever lost to President Bush, I fully expect Mr. Theresa Heinz-Kerry to get a NoB*lls Peace Prize in the near future. Rosie McDonalds is fat and Al Gore is fat and you never see them together. Could it be?

Warpublican know-Nothing...
...presumably means someone who is actually in favor of defending America and our allies with the use of the most lethal force...the necessity of which Evil Leftist pacifists can't comprehend.

Actually, svpallava...
Maybe Stalin was MUCH more qualified to speak on "theology" - he probably took more theology courses as a sometime seminarian, than Gore took science courses.

See: http://www.pbs.org/redfiles/bios/all_bio_joseph_stalin.htm

Not that I'd want to hear from either!

Leftist losers - lilly, dogg, jet, van..
Note how none of these losers, not one, have ANYTHING to say on the actual science of climate change and the overwhelming evidence that anthropogenic emissions of CO2 have a miniscule (if any) effect on the current cycle of atmospheric warming. All these losers have is potty mouths.

Conservative Angst
johninoregon,yeah, we Conservatives are worried. We're worried that the tonic of truth is slowly being replaced by the snake oil of speculation with emotional appeals to the Jerry Springer generation. We're not worried about the truly conscientious who believe differently, but the frenzied who accept the "Big Bang" as a really fun Friday Night.

The war is lost

by the fundamentalist right. You don't like who got the award, so you trash the award. You nit pick the science and then scream "we won, we're number 1". You've lost.

Strange how all the scientists line up in Al Gore's corner and not in the corner of the true believers. Strange how most of the world has lined up behind the idea of climate change and you fundamentalists still beat the same tired old lines.

Your pathetic beliefs have been trumped by fact, and you are going the way of the Shakers. When your ecstasy comes, I thank God I'll be left behind.

Meanwhile - back at the compound:
Dang it Tipper! These rightwing nutjobs are spoiling all my fun again. I'm so upset. I have to get outta here for a while. I'm taking the gulfstream for a spin. Tell the accountant to write another check to my co2 offset company. A big one!

Oh Al. Do we have to keep writing checks to our own company? We need the money to keep the servants happy & to pay for the upkeep on our mansion (know as "Terra").

No. No. Don't worry, Tip. We get some of it back as profit and I'm going to write it off as a charitable donation anyway. Its a beautiful thing.

And tell Chico, or whatever his name is, to gas up the humvees. I'm sick of having to jet around the world and coming home to less than 30 gallons of gas in the tank when I only get 5 miles to the gallon in the first place. Darn U.S. auto makers. Why can't they give me a humvee that gets 7 or 8 miles to the gallon. You know darn well they can do it if they want to. I'm thinking seriously about flying over there & giving them a piece of my mind.


Van
I guess it must have slipped your mind (and I use the term loosely). Gore may have won the popular vote but i'd be embarrased if I couldn't even win my home state. Guess it shows what the people of Tennessee thought of him.


BTW-Global warming is just a theory..It has not been proven to my knowledge that global warming is entirely caused by mankind. There has not been a consesus among scientists as to why the earth is warming. If in fact it is proven that mankind is totally responsible for global warming then I will be concerned.

Bleeding Heart
There is no question you will be left behind. You're behind already.

And you can keep the Earth. I'll be in paradise. I'll peek down every century or so to see if the ocean levels have risen another inch. God forbid humans would have to build their homes an additional 10 feet from the beach.

But who am I kidding. Global warming will have been replaced by global cooling in another 30 years. Its the natural cycle of liberal hysteria.

Bleeding Heart Liberal
So tell me OH Brilliant One just what the heck does a movie/documentary (which is filled with falsehoods to beging with) about something that hasn't even been proven as fact going to advance the cause of peace? Is it going to stop violence in the world?




Gore's prize is a joke.
Isn't this the same man who said Bill Clinton would be remembered as one of America's greatest presidents? Isn't Bill Clinton the same man who committed American troops to Bosnia, who bombed aspirin factories in the Sudan, and ordered bombing raids against Iraq to deflect public attention from his many scandals?

The Nobel Peace Prize is supposed to be awarded to the one who has done the most to promote world peace. In my estimation, the only thing Al Gore wants to promote is Al Gore.

Name calling
Move off the topic of Gore's qualification and look at the situation we are in. The climate is changing and there is going to be suffering and economies are going to take a hit. We are totally dependent on oil, yeh the stuff that puts C02 in the air. Ignore all the physics laws that tells us that C02 traps heat in the atmosphere and just move on to the question of do we want all to continue this huge trade imbalance by importing all that oil. There are other alternatives being developed that will get us closer to energy independence. We need to put our efforts into moving successful experimental alternative energy uses into the main stream.

All the hysteria about climate change being a hoax only serves to slow down that progress. It is going to take public pressure on polliticians to pass legislation that requires greater gas efficiency in cars. Right now car companies have blocked meaningful progress. Cars that get 35 miles to the gallon by 2020 is now in the works in congress. Everyone knows there are cars on the road that get better than that right now. The next hike in oil prices is just around the corner. Oh yeh and Exxon sure doesn't want to see energy efficient cars.... there goes the profits.

Or how about the progress in more efficient solar panels, and batteries that are much more powerful than the ones we have now that can further boost gas mileage.

Lets see some discussion about really important issues rather than Gore being a buffoon.




Earn real money on the internet
UltimateGlobalWarmingChallenge.com

Junkscience.com is offering $125,000 to anyone who can prove AGW.

I know we have many proclaimed scientists right here so I expect the prize money to be paid out by tomorrow.

I'll check the website tomorrow to see who won.


Fuzzy

You may be right.
Newsweek item 1970's Global cooling
Newsweek item 2007 Global Warming

News of the future 2044 global cooling

Sounds almost like a "Laugh In" routine.

liberals and globull warming
as an average citizen what exactly can we do that make a real difference. In my neighborhhod everyone puts out their recyclable every week. We turn off our lights when not in use. We try to run our weekly errands just once a week to limit our driving, and we adjust our thermostat to keep the house warmer in summer and cooler in winter. The winters here aren't a problem but summers in phoenix can be a real test. But still congress can't come up with a comprehensive energy plan and alldull berates us everyday citizens as though we are the problem. But exactly what sacrifices is the champion energy hog, alldull, making. The environment needs to be protected but the left acts as though they don't make harmful contributions or that they don't waste energy and that the right only wants to destroy the environment. The left fails to explain that if in deed the right was determined to destroy the environment, where would they get their air and drinking water after everything is destroyed. Don't we all live on the same planet or do these leftists think we have secret bases on other planets we will emigrate to once we have destroyed earth

An award Gore is qualified for


It just occurred to me ( Sock it to me)

He qualifies for the "The Flying Fickle Finger of Fate " award!

An award for Gore


"The Flying Fickle Finger of Fate '

presented by Fred Farkle.

Sorry Chickaree
but the article is about Al Gore & his lack of qualifications for a Nobel prize.

Why are you calling for forced economic suffering to fix the fact that we aren't any warmer than 1934?

We could be spending our money on feeding the world's children instead. Do you think the world's scientists would all agree that children are starving?

I think they would. You see, this is a verifiable problem. AGW is not. It is theorized by computer models. Models that already do not match the reality that we are not warmer than 1934.

So go ahead & play your superiority, fake caring about humanity ploy & consider arguing for feeding the children. You will get no bashing from the right but be prepared to be vilified by the left.

Pakrat
I propose the "Flying pull my Fickle Finger of Fate" award.

Packrat
Newsweek item 1970's Global cooling
Newsweek item 2007 Global Warming

That's a great point. When I was a kid in the seventies, environmentalists were constantly warning us about the coming "ice age." Now they are telling us that the world is too hot.

I've stated the reasons for my skepticism about global warming in previous posts, but I'll state them again:

- When we have an unusually hot summer, it is blamed on global warming.

- When we have an unusually cool summer, it is blamed on global warming.

- When we have an unusually mild winter, it is blamed on global warming.

- When we have an unusually harsh winter, it is blamed on global warming.

- When the weather is unseasonably dry, it is blamed on global warming.

- When the weather is unseasonably wet, it is blamed on global warming.

I could give numerous examples, but I think everyone gets my point.

Bleeding Heart Lib says:
"...all the scientists line up in Al Gore's corner..." is simply not true. Many reputable atmospheric scientists disputed Al Gore from the beginning, and more are lining up against Al.

You can start crying now.

joe america
the man who heads up nasa in an interview stated that science has shown many flucuations of high and low temperatures over thousands of years. Further no one knows what is the ideal climate for earth. He stated that it is possible that even warmer temps had been commonplace in past times and that life on earth did not die out.

Just this week
leading world renoun retired meterologist gave a speech in which he said that in 15 years, historians will write about the hysteria Gore created over a false issue.

Brent Bozo Comments
Republican's love to set up strawman comments about many people wondering............ Not! Of 350 million Americans there might be some, mostly Republican's who hated Al Gore, who would disparage him for any of his acomplishments. Most fair minded Americans are proud of what Al Gore has done to make us aware of the global warming threat. He did this in spite of years of ridicule by Republican's who have a vested interest in keeping us from acting on global warming, such as oil companies. Why don't you just go back to attacking Hillary and leave Al alone. He has suffered enough from the idiot comments from the right.

Bobzmcishl
"He [Al Gore] has suffered enough from the idiot comments from the right."

I'm sure Gore cries all the way to the bank.

Bobzmcishl
Why don't you leave those poor oil companies alone? They have provided energy for the world's needs for decades.

Why don't you go back to picking on Bush II. The oil companies that contributed to the Earth being cooler than 1934 have suffered enough at the hands of liberal idiots.

bobzmcishl
exactly what are these great accomplishments of alldull and who hates the fool. We on the right recognize him as both an idiot and as a huckster peddling snake oil. But you on the left are lining up to fill his bank account with dollars while he lectures the world on wasting energy while he is a champion energy hog. Pushed into prominance by his senator daddy he is no more than a rich brat who glommed on to daddies life to get into congress and then further enhanced his career by publicly servicing bubba. Possibly the only politician with less personality but equally living off the accomplishments of her husband is the missus clinton. Together they would make the perferct team, two idiots with a scanty resume but knowing how to act as scolds. But to the libs both are heroes

To chicaree
See if you can find a copy of "Newsweek" August 13. Its cover story details how business (which would be hurt if people believed in global warming and pressured politicians to address it) carefully organized, choreographed, and financed a campaign to create doubt about global warming. Names are named. Also dollar amounts paid to names.

To nobsartist
Paul Krugman has suggested that the degree of Gore-ridiculing is a precise measure of the Right trying to legitimize Bush II.

In Fact
I hope the top exec at Exxon is nominated for the next Nobel Prize since oil has done a thousand times more for mankind than big ol' Al will ever do.

Maybe they sould put out a movie huh?

British Judge Bruises Al Gore’s Movie
Did this British judge have anything to say about the Nobel Prize? No.

"Critics of “An Inconvenient Truth” include Al Gore’s political opponents, global warming skeptics and even rank-and-file scientists. But the former vice president waited until today for a detailed review from a high court in Britain.

Asked to ban the film from secondary schools, Judge Michael Burton refused, as long as “serious scientific inaccuracies, political propaganda and sentimental mush” were explained at screenings, Agence France-Presse reported.

The bill of particulars that he issued, posted to the Web site of the plaintiff’s political party, had 11 points."

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/british-judge-b ruises-al-gores-movie/index.html?ex=1349755200&en=f7c96fa0b a1355bf&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss




Lilly
And Inconvenient Truth wasn't carefully organized & choreographed?

And the IPCC didn't organize & choreograph how they and they alone interpreted the individual data points pulled together by dozens upon dozens of scientists? Even the ones that, when seeing how their data was being used, tried to get their names removed from the final report?

Stop looking at Newsweek articles and start looking at the mounting research that debunks the bunk Al Gore is selling us.

Or - take the $125,000 challenge & prove us all wrong.

Oh yeah. It's not warmer than 1934. But you don't care about ACTUAL measurements. You care about your side being right IN SPITE of the evidence. Bravo to you for sticking to your guns while sinking in quicksand.

For Apollo Speaks
You say that "Gore's loss left him unhinged" referencing the 2000 election.

Are you cent-percent sure he wasn't already unhinged (or that he was ever "hinged")?

For Elsinore660
Shukria for the correction.

lilly
There are few rewards in this world for honest achievement on behalf of mankind.
It is shameful to pervert the Nobel Peace Prize into a mere tool to advertise political sham.

This entire AGW scam is nothing but a gigantic hardsell for a "Carbon Tax" that is simply Algore's old "BTU Tax" with new lipstick.

Yes it will harm ALL American industry.
I doubt you will be exempt from the 50 per gallon gas tax!
That AGW FARCE will harm everyone in America.

Al Gore
"I'm talking to you today to tell you about the greatest threat facing mankind. I'm talking, of course, about ManBearPig."
-South Park

The Double Standard of the Left
Why is every criticism of Gore interpreted as being praise of Bush II or any or RINO? Could it be that these leftists cannot actually debate the issue? Mayhaps they must resort to Straw Man attacks in a pitiable attempt to discredit genuine arguments against Al Gore receiving a Nobel Peace Prize. Why not actually explain what Mr. Gore did to earn the Nobel Peace Prize?

Politics be damned, there are many who question the legitimacy of giving a PEACE prize to an ENVIRONMENTALIST for what some call JUNK SCIENCE. It has nothing to do with wanting to bash Gore, it has to do with the legitimacy of the Nobel Prizes. And none of you can answer why Mr. Gore is not held accountable to the standards he wishes to impose on every other American. (and Americans only) If he is the champion of the environment, poster boy for global warming, why does he not live a more GREEN lifestyle?

An unwanted truth
The award was for bashing his own country and its industry. The unwelcome truth no one wants to hear is that the so called global warming is a natural event. Man can not stop it or influence it in anyway or form. It is the high point of mans idiocy to think he can change the natural order of the world by burning coal or oil. The unwelcome truth is if you want it is to look at china and Russia with their pollution belching zones, areas which make ours look like nothing because most of ours are shut down now.
No where in his history of global warming does AL and his pals talk of the mini Ice age1400 to about 1800 or the four to five hundred year warm spell 900 to about 1400 which allowed the Vikings expansion to the west. no it is far more convenient to blame big business ad the American people or our greed.

Gore?
Gore is ,I believe the first to win the Nobel for a scientific hypothesis that he in truth had nothing to do with studying to form it, has no knoledge to back it up, and is totally parroting what he has been told.
As far as Yumpin' Yiminy Carter's endorsement of Gore it's not so unexpected, I mean after all, he's probably hoping that there will finally be someone listed as a worse president than him. Gore is the only one who ever came even close to putting me to sleep as quick as Carter.

HUNTER/TANCREDO "08"

Would it be possible
for Gore to live a less green lifestyle?

Bob the Schmiell
I'll tell you what, when All Gored moves into a less than 2000 square foot home that has an all green foot-print I'll maybe start to listen to him. MAYBE! With that mansion he lives in, If there is Global Warming, He contributes to it more than any ten people I can name or 300 Steers who have just gotten rid of that overstuffed feeling, if you get my drift.

HUNTER/TANCREDO "08"

eastlake
is the tribe great or what. Only mistake was keeping byrd in the game after sitting for 35 minutes. We will wrap it up tommorrow. But the libs fail to understand human ingenuity. Faced with problems over the centuries, many have been overcome. Machinery becomes more efficient and uses less energy with technology. Eventually the technology will come around that uses efficient alternate fuels. But whatever the case people are problem solvers. But the acolytes of the pump messiah alldull assume nothing will change but only get worse

What Algore did earn an award for.
Algore is responsible for all of the silly Carbon sham.
EMTB + Ethanol and every silly sham like them.
The extra deaths from ADDING pollution into our atmosphere.
Every penny that has been wasted on behalf of this AGW FRAUD.

The whole World should bring a class action to recover wasted tax $.

Intellect vs. "Dimbulb"
"Gore is the only one who ever came even close to putting me to sleep as quick as Carter."

You get one point for your observations about Carter. He was a lousy president for sure. But he has been a good citizen since then with his work for habit for humanity and trying to resolve the age old disputes between Irael and Palestine. He also took on the Christian right for their intolerance toward other Christians or persons of different faiths.

Al Gore on the other hand tried to talk intelligently about the issues, but put people to sleep doing so. Since then he has learned the art of speech craft and does a credible job.

On the other hand, we have inarticulate George who hasn't learned yet how to deliver a coherent speech. You can be sure that after his days in the White House are over, he won't be on the lecture circuit any time soon.

Of course the worst part about our POTUS are his actions over the last seven years, but that's another story. For his actions he will surpass Cater as one of the worst presidents in history.


Bobz
This article is about Gore and how he is swindling people into economic ruin so he can feel better. Comparing him to Bush II is completely irrelevant.

Let me say something intelligent to you. Give me all your money. I'll fix global warming for ya.

fascist Peace Prize
Today the Nobel Peace Prize is nothing less than the promotion of socialist fascism - the "one world government".

(Today Gore & Carter would be competing with the records set by Hitler & Stalin for the greatest quantity of civilians murdered by a government official (Stalin passed Hitler).)

So which did he invent first?
The Internet or Global Warming?

It amazes me that Algore has any credibility.

The oceans aren't going to rise and drown everyone if the icebergs melt. Have you ever seen a glass of water overflow when the ice cubes melt?

Sure the global climates change. Ever hear of the ice ages? The world's climate does change over time.

"Scientists" argue that God doesn't exist because you can't prove He does by emperical experimentation. Same holds true of Global Warming. You cannot prove it in a laboratory.

Anyone familiar with statistics knows that correlation does not prove cause and effect. Meaning that just because there are "man-made green house gasses" and the temperature has risen it doesn't prove that the former created the latter.

I think it's a real travesty that a hokey movie beat out a true war-heroine who literally saved multiple thousands of lives during WWII.

Lilly
Since you are so enamored of Newsweek, read this article from April 1975

http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

and get back to me about temperature changes

Don't like newsweek

A listing of some more artic;es
Quote

"Science magazine (Dec. 10, 1976) warned of "extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation." Science Digest (February 1973) reported that "the world's climatologists are agreed" that we must "prepare for the next ice age." The Christian Science Monitor ("Warning: Earth's Climate is Changing Faster Than Even Experts Expect," Aug. 27, 1974) reported that glaciers "have begun to advance," "growing seasons in England and Scandinavia are getting shorter" and "the North Atlantic is cooling down about as fast as an ocean can cool." Newsweek agreed ("The Cooling World," April 28, 1975) that meteorologists "are almost unanimous" that catastrophic famines might result from the global cooling that the New York Times (Sept. 14, 1975) said "may mark the return to another ice age." The Times (May 21, 1975) also said "a major cooling of the climate is widely considered inevitable" now that it is "well established" that the Northern Hemisphere's climate "has been getting cooler since about 1950."

Source "real clear politics"

Strange
Since 2002, ALGORE has given speeches and appearances on behalf of his globaling warming tours. Each appearance was billed between $50,000 and $100,000. A private foundation provides AL with a free Gulfstream jet which ferries him all over thee world. He stays at 1st Class Hotels when he's on the road. His docu-thriller has earned him millions in royalties, not to mention the highest honors in the movie business (An Academy Award). ALGORE is also an equity holder in 2 firms that specialize in Carbon Credits and Carbon Sequestering. From these firms, he draws a considerable dividend. Despite his evangelizing, ALGORE also holds ownership in Occidental Petrolieum and as well as several mineral companies (ie coal and copper).

Let's face it Global Warming has been very, very good to AL. It has made him famous, enriched him beyond his wildest dreams, not to mention he is the toast of the town in places like Belair, Mayfair, Georgetown, Cambridge, and the Upper Westside.

So, what exactly did he do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize? Did he negociate a settlement to a conflict? Did he suffer decades in a prison because of his politics or religion? No. ALGORE simply got the prize for evangelizing a new religion. Such evangelization has made him very wealthy and popular. It cost him nothing, but rewarded him hansomely.

Let me guess-
and then another warming. Right?

Brilliant!

Treasonious republicans
Surely, you mean just like the glaciers were melting in 1934, when it was WARMER.

Scientists "claim" bla bla bla.

Observable: growing ice sheet in Anarctica, less salinity. Its amazing what libs will buy into & then talk down to everyone else about.

Talk away & post away to your little heart's content. You know its only a matter of time before AGW goes away. It'll go the way of the ozone hole, global freezing, etc. I know if you were old enough then, you bought into those too.

Real science observed & measured those things. Right?

You & the lib lemmings want to lead everyone over the cliff with you whether you have any facts or not.

No thanks.

Treasonous Buffoon
Your very name proclaims you a LIAR!
Nothing you post under it has credibility.

As to YOU telling anyone at TH to shut up;
Do it while you can. You won't be here long!

If you think you are the first Cowardly Communist to come here and pick an insulting name you are very naive.

Do you see any around here now?
You probably generated several each time you post!

treasonous republicans sez

"climate change. it doesn't mean global warming. scientists actualy predict a warming before a cooling now."

Riiiiight. So, in effect, the global warming crowd are being short-sighted in trying to get us to curtail greenhouse gas emitting activities. I, on the other hand prefer to look to the long term. It's never too soon to prevent the coming global cool-down. I'm going to buy another SUV. Can you give me a link to the cooling predictions so I can use it to justify my purchase?

I see now that Al Gore's lifestyle isn't hypocritical, it's extremely forward looking. Give that man a prize...


Lilly
Patterns Here? Yes I think so they were the same patterns you see in the sand at the beach. Keep looking though, they are there, Chuck Out....

Al Gore's just plagerizing
Jesus' Revelation to John Chapter 16:8,9:
16:8 The fourth (angel) poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was given to him to scorch men with fire.

16:9 People were scorched with great heat, and people blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues. They didn't repent and give him glory.

Jesus should be given the peace prize, he certainly deserves it more than Mr. Gore does!

TR

"climate scietists are the authorities on this matter and their opinions are unanimous- the earth is warming due to human induced warming."

Unanimous - you mean every climatologist agrees. Heh, heh. Either you are joking, or I will have to rethink my previous impression of you as a highly intelligent, polite and reasonable poster, dedicated to raising the level of discourse on TH.



So TR You agree with us

You just said global cooling followed by global warming,

that it what every person that disagrees wit Gore has been saying

climate is cyclical over time.

DUH!!!!!

Treasonous Buffoon
As your name proclaims, you are a LIAR!
There is NO consensus on AGW, it has been proven to be a fraud.

This "Carbon Tax" you scam artists claim will "save the Planet" is nothing but the same old BTU Tax that everyone rejected because it would destroy American Industry.

Slither back under the rock you came from.
You don't know enough about AGW to have an intelligent debate and the arrogant insult you chose for a name precludes civil debate.

Treason
You claim that all climatologists agree and this is as big a lie as All Gored saying he was the principal behind the internet. It's libber crap. The only thing that I will argue with a republican about here today, is the comment about the ice cubes. if you load enough cubes into a glass to be above the rim which is the proper way to look at the glaciers, if all of them melted at once or as a whole, they would flood quite an area of now dry land, not unlike the glass would overflow.

HUNTER/TANCREDO "08"

A Better Choice
Would have been Joe Biden. Not only has he succeeded in getting bi-partisan support for Iraqi federalism in the Senate(co-sponsored by Republican presidential candidate Sam Brownback), he has also gained the support of Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Shiite leader Ammar Al-Hakim.

Now, if only the White House would get its head out of its buttocks, there could possibly be an opportunity for long term peace in Iraq. And, after all, it is a peace prize.

not the best analogy

Not to necessarily dissent with your conclusion, but the ice in a glass of water comprises almost all the surface area within the glass. Not quite the same relationship as that of glaciers, ice shelves, etc. to the total surface area of the oceans.

for ApolloSpeaks
ApolloSpeaks writes: "George Bush was the right man coming at the right time in history to reverse 1000 years of Middle East politics and initiate the horrific demise of despotism in the region."

Oh, brother.
If anyone wonders why the GOP is in such trouble with the voters, this statement is all the evidence we need.

The GOP continues to broadcast its loyalty and admiration for a President whose approval rating is down around 32%.

You see that on the S-CHIP fight too. The only chance Republicans have to survive an Election Day wipeout is to prove to the voters that they're not shills for the highly unpopular Bush. But it's pretty clear that they still are.

We're headed for at least 4 years of President Hillary. Sad.

Hay all you liberals out there
Next month I am going to drive my gas hog SUV to the woods and shoot a deer, maybe two.

Algore and his acolytes believe global warming is caused by carbon dioxide (CO2).

I need you liberals to provide some of them "Carbon Credits" Algore is peddling, to off set any "man made" global warming I may generate while I'm deer hunting.

CO2 is a simple compound found among many places, like the byproduct of breathing oxygen.

If you liberals who worship at the "Algore Church of Global Warming", really believe in Saint Algore, y'all need to stop breathing and quit ruining my life. Besides y'all are wasting oxygen.

I guess the next Nobel peace prize should go to Monica lewin...wait a minute, didn't we have a war in Bosnia during her term of service to our country...or was that service the commander in chief..never mind, Algore gets my vote.




Cheney's One Percent Doctrine?
Vice President Cheney said famously that if there were even a ONE PERCENT chance that terrorists might obtain nuclear weapons, the U.S. must act immediately to forestall that, as if it were a certainty rather than just a 1% probability. Because the consequences of failing to act in time could be catastrophic.

Yet some conservatives (not Newt Gingrich, I notice) are now saying we shouldn't do anything about global warming until and unless it's absolutely proved to be real.

Why doesn't the "one percent" rule apply to natural disasters like global warming as well as to terrorism? If we should act on a one percent chance of terrorists getting nukes, why should we not act on an even greater probability of global warming, even though neither can yet be proved to be certain?

I don't see why we can act on a 1% chance of nuclear terrorism, but are unable to act on even a 49% chance of global warming.

for G.I. Joe
G.I. Joe writes: 'Next month I am going to drive my gas hog SUV to the woods and shoot a deer, maybe two."

And to me, that makes you a traitor.

The gasoline you're buying makes Saudi Arabia richer by bidding up the world price of oil.

Saudi Arabia funds Sunni terrorists and Sunni militias in Iraq. And those Sunnis are killing OUR TROOPS.

And you don't care. Your SUV is empowered Muslim extremists to wage war on the West, kill OUR TROOPS, and you don't care.

Enjoy your SUV. You're driving it with blood money.

Treason
Had you the ability to read, you would find I was arguing AGAINST the analogy used. I said If you put enough cubes into a glass to fill said glass above the rim which is the best way to look at the glaciers. That means the glass would OVERFLOW, DIMBULB.

Treasonous Buffoon
If you think polluting the nation with MTBE or generating 1/3 MORE CO2 with Ethanol is a help to our environment then you are hopelessly indoctrinated by the Carbon Offset Cult.

Everything tried or even suggested to date has been LESS efficient than gas, often more polluting and far more dangerous.

I would like to see some research to control Series Resonance.

Hay all you oxygen thieves
Build new refineries, drill for more oil, this will help alleviate high fuel prices and raise every ones standard of living.

In doing so there will be more wealth in the private sector to develop alternative sources of energy.

Only a dimwitted oxygen thief would advocate higher taxes on energy diverting capital necessary for development to the most inefficient, wasteful, place there is, the government.

Only losers depend on or trust the government for anything. If you are so concerned about dwindling resources, ride a bike.

Y'all losers need to come out of your mother's basement and get a job and quit ruining my life.

SteveL
SteveLoon(oops sorry my finger slipped and I don't know how to erase)Which is a sure way to kill people and ruin the survivors for life along with their offspring? a) Possible global warming or b) nuclear terrorism as another possible? Lets see, all kinds of nukes(backpack size) running around the world. Open southern borders that any number of terrorists can cross with backpack size parcels. Lets go back to global warming scientists PREDICT. Bookies predict horses all the time and are wrong. HMMMM think I'll worry about the nukes.

HUNTER/TANCREDO "08"

Give me a break SteveL
Jimmy Carter fixed fuel prices causing the fuel shortages during the 1970's. In doing so he destroyed our domestic oil industry.

So when you want to cry about supporting terrorists with foreign fuel consumption arguements you need the thank that other political nobel peace prize winner.

When you look to the emergence of the terroist thocracy in Iran, and the rise of militant islamofacists, again, the icon of appeasement, Jimmy Carter is responsible.

You said:

And you don't care. Your SUV is empowered Muslim extremists to wage war on the West, kill OUR TROOPS, and you don't care.


I served in the military and you are welcome to that free oxygen provided by all who serve.

Your liberal buddies will tax oxygen if they can scam it like "Carbon Offsets".

Gullible Warming
While I think those believing in global warming are foolish sheep, maybe it would be better if we really could warm the environment?

I've heard scientists claim we are actually heading toward an ice age, so we would be able to use our warming expertise in the near future.

As for Mr. Gore...let him have his day...the guy is a pathological liar and at least now he'll be able to tell people he won the Nobel Peace Prize and amazingly it will be the truth!

If I hear one more
liberal cry about Algore losing the 2000 election...that it was stolen from him...I will toss my cookies! Had the residents of his home state of Tennessee believed in him, it wouldn't have mattered one iota how the Floridians voted. Swallow that pill, Mr. AG and followers. Quichyourbichin - it is a done deal and that is that.

The Nobel "Peace" Prize has diminished itself to be of absolutely no honor. I agree with other posters that if a worthy person was selected in the future, they should turn it down. I certainly wouldn't want to be included in the same group with Arafat/Carter/Gore!

And, lastly, The Inconvenient Truth is anything but!


MISSING LINK
Before the NY Times of Algoreasaurus, Kerryassaurus, Newsweekassaurus, Timemagassaurus, there existed the big search for “Missing Link”. Every four to six months one of the major purveyors of ink on a platter would announce the latest discovery in the darkest of dark dark Africa another ape like fossil remains that would prove beyond a reasonable doubt Darwin’s Theory of Evolution. During the then war of the scientific skeptics it was necessary to have a museum thing somewhere which would be the symbol par excellence convincing all believers in Alien Abductions and/or Christian Genesis thinking that good ole ground earth evolution developed Joe Sixpack as well as Albert Einstein; but, what these Evol-Believers needed more than ever before was an exemplar primo a primo of a stand erect pre-historic ape with the mental quick that could play Scrabble. After several years this quasi-competition between the various news media which then included the NBC Today Show with David Garraway and J Fred Muggs evolved where the energetic search for “Missing Link” faded away into who cares already oblivion. Horrors happen when stock options, bonuses, and pay raises scream for a new catalyst into the financial stratosphere thus preserving the variant existence of these dancing dinosaurs sending their offspring off to Yale and summering at Quaque that they create the need for Global Warming – Climate Change.

Roberto,Roberta
Thats good, the biggest looser on TH calling someone a looser. Still living in your Mamas basement? does she still iron your boxers for you?(poor lady!) You betta go to sweep wittle boy!!

BertaRoberta: Ma! You put too much starch in em' now my sock roll won't bulge at the crotch like it's supposed to....How am I supposed to pick up Hal D. bag??

HUNTER/TANCREDO "08"

Liberals are lemmings? says Lock-stepper
ApolloSpeaks writes: Wed, 7:39 AM

"GORE'S LOSS MADE HIM UNHINGED"

Gee first where did you got that code word "UNHINGED"? (coulter)

Second Gore, actually won in 2000. Although I voted for Bush (my shame I'll live with) I wish the Supreme court would have decided in Gore's favor. We would be better off than our fearless leader we now have;

Quotes from our leader, Bush:

The Cowboy
"We'er Kick-in a**"

and

The Diplomat & Dr. Strange Love, WW-III a-coming
"If you're interested in avoiding WW III, you're interested in preventing them (Iran) from having 'NUCULAR' knowledge." (nice WW-III, wow!)

and

The Bush, the master-debater
"I vetoed S-CHIP for the poor kids."

WOW! WOW! We are screwed. Gore is looking so, so, so very good.

All you climate change deniers are like holocaust deniers, driven by hate and/or ideology. Now get back in your lock-step and repeat Fox news, Hannity, Bill-oh "and, I could not believe it was like a white restaurant" Loofah boy, Rush Oxycontin "phony soldiers" self-proclaimed GOP water carrier, Ann arrogant "jews need to be perfected" Coulter, and last but not least, our leader, Mr. 'Nuculer', gon-a be WW-III, hua-hua.

Far right wing wackos are funny, but your act is getting old. "YOUR A LIBERAL!" Any body that disagrees gets personally attacked. Children grow up, this is serious. War, Earth and fellow man (like little children, ie S-CHIP).

BTW I find it weird and hypocritical conservatives are so concerned about sperminated ovum (zygotes) and people in permanent brain dead veg comma patients, but don't care about kids? Don't like abortions? Me neither but you don't want to give access to bith control to kids? IDIOTS. Make your minds up.

Pollution vs Global Warming vs Al Gore
POLLUTION vs CLIMATE - October 17, 2007
.....It appears that air "pollution" is being confused/associated with global warming. The current political battle over global warming/climate change is a totally different subject and boils down to the fundamental issue of: "Does CO2 cause global warming?" Regardless, carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant because there would be no life on Earth, as we know it, without carbon dioxide (CO2).
Al Gore = Goracle = The self deliverer, self anointed authoritative person who divines the future of Global Warming.


Give Gore some credit,
he has singlehandedly used more energy resources than half the planet. That's quite an accomplishment.

Bush actually said...
..."I vetoed the SCHIP for 25 year olds earning $80,000 per year."

When will Evil Leftists weep and moan about all those poor, itty bitty children of multi-millionaires without health insurance.

Oh, that's right. Momma and Poppa pay out of pocket. :)

eastlake joe

My little issue over your analogy was really not even worth mentioning. But TR thought it was worth twisting until unrecognizeable. Sorry 'bout that.

At least you were talking about the subject at hand and arguing from reason. Our friends on the Left, sure enough, have managed to turn it into a rant over Bush, Cheney, and yes, Rush (must still be on them drugs. Maybe jetpilot is really Tom Harkin).

jetpilot part 1

Can you hear yourself?

My problems with the whole global warming thing are as follows:

1. The scientific method is strangely absent. What we have are computer models that may or may not relate to reality. We have "consensus" (read groupthink) by climatologists who know the the grant spigot will quickly shut off if they don't march in lockstep with the whole climate change religious orthodoxy. We have tight groups of colleagues who "peer review" each others stuff (kinda like REMF officers in Vietnam giving each other Bronze Stars), without subjecting any of it to checking by statisticians. And we have "it's too technical, you wouldn't understand it" secrecy.

2. Politicians and members of the media (i.e. not scientists) are the shrillest proponents of draconian punishments like the Kyoto Protcol, and they will tolerate no dissent. Anyone who doesn't fall in is some kind of flat earth idiot, period, end of discussion.

3. Algore and Hollywood types are the biggest alarmists, yet lead the most polluting lifestyles. This leads me to question whether they even believe what they're selling. So why should I?

Does this mean I'm convinced that humans have no influence on climate change? No, but I have some serious qualms about it. You don't think any of this would raise some red flags with a thinking person?

But to you, that makes me a climate change denyer and "like holocaust deniers (see my blog posts on the holocaust and holocaust deniers), driven by hate and/or ideology." Get a grip, man! Who is driven by hate and ideology here? Who is in lockstep? Who personally attacks those who don't believe in them? Talk about projection.


jetpilot part 2

And how the **** do you manage to work abortion into this. What makes you think you can make a statement like abortion opponents don't care about kids? I adopted two children, one of whom was about 5 minutes away from abortion before her mother changed her mind, thank God. Don't presume to tell ME whether or not I care about children. S***w you. You have no idea what you're foaming at the mouth about.

Your presence here is a blight. Do me a favor: tell me what carrier you supposedly fly for so I can avoid it. I'd rather go Greyhound.

sorry folks

(TH folks - not trolls and bomb-throwers)

Almost lost my cool there. :-)

Once again, conservatives reacting...
....reacting to political fools in denial about their PC-ness, instead of taking an overt initiative. It's about time conservatives had their OWN version of the Nobel. An obvious name would be the NOBLE (or NO-BULL) Conservative Prize for whomever expands conservative ideals. It's not enough to sit on the sidelines and gawk at liberal idiocy, of which there will always be an overabundance. Our message needs to overlap and drown out theirs.

Oh, Robert Robert
RockyJones writes: "It is amusing that the people who bought WMD argument hook line and sinker with no evidence whatsoever...are beating up on Gore.."

You mean like Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, William Cohen, John Kerry, Bob Graham, Tom Harkin, Madeline Albright, Sandy Berger, Barbara Boxer, Robert Byrd, Wesley Clark, Jacques Chirac, John Edwards, Jim Jeffords, John Rockefeller, Henry Waxman, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Scott Ritter, Bill and Hillary Clinton and Al Gore himself? I wasn't aware that any of them were bothered by the idiocy of Gore receiving the Nobel prize, but hey, cool.

It's apples to oranges anyway, Robert. The evidence for WMDs wasn't computer models and "consensus." But don't take my word for it.

"If it were not so sad I would get a chuckle over thinking about how Saddam was going to attack the US with "drones" off of oil carriers..."

Hadn't heard that one. Whatever.

"You folks are losers."

Gee, Robert, why do you continue to hang around the losers here? Wouldn't you prefer the company of the winners at the DailyKos?


Oh yes
Lets not forget that Co2 levels rise about 800 years after temperature rises (this has been measured historically) so if we ever do get a dependable tempertature measurement of the entire planet Earth showing a rapid temperature increase, we will see higher levels of Co2 in the future atmosphere.

Treasonous Rep said scientists predict a global cooling after a global warming. Certainly that cooling won't happen in the next 800 years because the scientists have told us Co2 causes global warming.

So, if the AGW scam were not to be a scam. We have to offset both the human induced Co2 increase as well as the natural increase. We need to cap all volcanos and shove Co2 back into the Earth (I understand we are working on shoving it back into the Earth now).

Then we can have our global cooling which will have been accelerated by man's interference in the natural cycle. So we can then pump out all the Co2 we put back in the ground. Right?

How much do we pump out? How much should we have pumped in? Who gets to decide. Will it be the climatologists that were AGW believers or the ones that didn't. Will the ones that didn't be denied any participation in the decisions?

Or.

We could use the data collected across the Earth so far and say its not hotter than 1934. What are we wasting our time on AGW for?

Fuzzy

Thanks. I now understand the new frontier in socialism. Command economies are so last-century. The hot new mandate for government action is command climates. Based on the success of the former, I can't wait for the latter. ;-)

Hueguenot
I've enjoyed your posts. Hope to see you around the TH threads.


Fuzzy

Thanks, and you will. I'm like a bad penny.

I even have a blog here (oooooh, aaaaah).

Surprised but pleased
I was on vacation when Al Gore won the prize and
didn't hear about it right away. I too didn't
really think that the topic was the sort of thing
that was a "peace" issue.

But oh well. What is so really nifty about the
whole thing is that some dumb jerk nominated Rush
Limbaugh for the same award, or so I have heard.
I would love to have heard his program the day that
Gore won.

Knowing Rush, I am sure that it was very charitable. Ha Ha Ha

Surprised but pleased
I was on vacation when Al Gore won the prize and
didn't hear about it right away. I too didn't
really think that the topic was the sort of thing
that was a "peace" issue.

But oh well. What is so really nifty about the
whole thing is that some dumb jerk nominated Rush
Limbaugh for the same award, or so I have heard.
I would love to have heard his program the day that
Gore won.

Knowing Rush, I am sure that it was very charitable. Ha Ha Ha

Lemonade

You obviously don't know anything about the circumstances behind the Rush nomination, and it sounds like you don't listen to his program. Yet you say "Knowing Rush..." Uh, huh.

In fact, the nomination was by the Landmark Legal Foundation for his "nearly two decades
of tireless efforts to promote liberty, equality and opportunity for all humankind, regardless of race, creed, economic stratum or national origin."

If you actually listened to his program instead of just regurgitating what you're spoon-fed about him, you would see the accuracy of the statement.

And if you think that LLF president Mark Levin is just "some dumb jerk," you are just flaunting ignorance.

My question is why you would do that here, where so many people know better?

Just The Nobel?
I'm late in this debate, so I'll just ask a question that seems to come to mind everytime some snake oil witch doctor (or terrorist!) picks up the Nobel. What ever happened to the Lenin Peace Prize? That's the one that these people should have gotten. They're what it was FOR!

With it's demise, the standards for the Nobel have been diminished accordingly. And, in the process, the honor once given to the earlier recipients who deserved this once highly regarded acclaim, has diminished as well. That's the real tragedy of this. It also mirrors the loss of standards in our faltering culture.

Just like the Oscar.

Steve
Right on!!! And whatever DID happen to the Lenin Peace Prize? Didn't the Russians more or less disown and bury it when the gulags behind the iron curtain disolved? The LPP deserves to be re-incarnated and awarded to those most deserving of advancing the ideals of Lenin and the USSR he created. How about Hanoi Jane as the next recipient? She wouod be proud, i'm sure. And at the very least would be relieved that she was not associated with those acclaimned statesmen and universally admired laissez faire capitalists Yasser Arafat and Peanut Jimmy.

Gore's Nobel Prize
This is my response to JPG

You suggested that if Gore deserves a Nobel Prize for preventing the conflict that would inevitably take place if global warming and rising ocean levels created large numbers of refugees, then Israel should get one for taking out nuclear facilities in Syria and Iraq.

A military attack by one country on another is much more likely to cause conflict than prevent it. It certainly is no way to turn enemies into friends.

You also wrote, ...if mere relocation might lead to conflict, then wouldn't any change whatsoever potentially lead to conflict."

If ocean levels rise significantly the effect would be much more than simply a "mere relocation." There would be tens of millions of refugees. Refugees often spend many years in refugee camps without adequate nutrition, health care and no educational opportunities. It would be a human disaster of massive proportions.

You also make the suggestion that since conservatives are most opposed to change perhaps they should get a Nobel prize simply for being conservatives!

We all know that change occurs whether or not we want it to take place. We also know that the regressive policies of conservatives is why the US is falling behind in many areas including life expectancy (down to 30th in the world from 11th just a few years ago; also way behind, (compared to Western Europe and other countries), in clean energy development, mass transit, support of working people, etc. The list could go on).

Conservatives in power in the US have driven this country backwards ever since the Reagan Administration took over. We have a lot of catching up to do. If conservatives don't get out of reverse, and begin to move forward,
what you deserve is not a prize, but a stern lecture from your ancestors who were probably not near as conservative as you are.

Leonard Nolt


Thanks, Fuzzy
for the link on the following:

CHALLENGE

$125,000 will be awarded to the first person to prove, in a scientific manner, that humans are causing harmful global warming. The winning entry will specifically reject both of the following two hypotheses:

UGWC Hypothesis 1

Manmade emissions of greenhouse gases do not discernibly, significantly and predictably cause increases in global surface and tropospheric temperatures along with associated stratospheric cooling.

UGWC Hypothesis 2

The benefits equal or exceed the costs of any increases in global temperature caused by manmade greenhouse gas emissions between the present time and the year 2100, when all global social, economic and environmental effects are considered.

http://ultimateglobalwarmingchallenge.com/

You will note that not only must the entrant PROVE MANMADE emissions of greenhouse gases MUST CAUSE global warming BUT ALSO MUST PROVE that global warming costs outweigh any benefits.

Most global warming activists don’t realize that even if global warming is happening (unproven so far), that it may be happening due to natural climate cycles. They also don’t realize that global warming (if it’s happening) may be a positive benefit to humanity.

Consider the fact that the Little Climate Optimum provided warmer seasons for lush growth of crops for farmers during the Middle Ages, with a resulting economic boom, whereas the Little Ice Age did serious damage to European economies.


johninoregon
Geez, you must be one of the neo-nuts that I left there because of! Bwahahahaha

Seriously, do you really believe this:

"Oh, really? I've noticed that conservative commentators like Mr. Bozell have spent an awful lot of time trying to diminish Gore's achievement. Why would they bother if he was nothing more than a "jargon-droning" has-been who won a meaningless international prize for espousing a puffed-up cause? Could it be that a little sliver of reality is shining through and warning those commentators that Gore is in fact in extremely talented man who represents a real threat to their cause?"

*** Because if you do, I have a lakeside cabin I'll sell you in Arizona!

*** Do you really think receiving the Dumbell prize after Arafat (world's biggest - now dead - terrorist) and Jimmy-the-Peanut Carter (world's biggest idiot - not yet dead) and the UN Koffeecup Annan (world's biggest stuffed shirt thief) and a few others that would be second-rate in he[[? You must be joking. Yeah, that's it, you're just joking!

*** The only thing Gore has achieved in his non-illustrious existence is to sell off America's oil reserves - during Clinton's administration - lie about his tobacco and oil holdings, and snivel about losing the election.

Stay in Oregon John, with the rest of the neo-nuts like you.
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