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Wednesday, September 20, 2006
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Islam's special standard
by Brent Bozell
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There are moments where it becomes painfully apparent that the media elites think that the only thing redeeming about Western culture is its ability to regret its existence. Their dream president is a lip-biting man from Arkansas, traveling the globe apologizing for every historic fault, real or imagined, America has ever committed.

This was exactly their mentality with Pope Benedict XVI over his remarks at the University of Regensburg. One wonders if any of his critics had bothered to read his address, the theme of which was the inseparability of faith and reason.

He quoted a Byzantine emperor -- who argued that God could never countenance the coercive violence of radical Islam, and therefore a radical Islam invoking God is irrational. Lost on the outraged was the other argument posed by Benedict: A religion that embraces reason but not faith is also bankrupt. That message was directed at radical Catholics. His call was for a serious and urgent "genuine dialogue of cultures and religions" based on faith and reason.

You would think that this call for a religion based on love and peace, not force, would ring well in peace-loving liberal newsrooms. But this lecture was ignored by the secular press until Muslim riots and threats broke out. Then, predictably and incredibly, the media demanded apologies -- but only from the pope. They treated him like a bumbling candidate for political office, a man too unschooled in the art of public relations, which they know so well. They called him "heavy-handed" and "clumsy." They auditioned on TV and radio shows to explain how the pontiff could be less "tone deaf."

They did not ponder how Muslim violence, from assassinating a nun in Somalia to blowing up Canadian solders in Afghanistan as they hand out candy to children, might be, to say the very least, "tone deaf."

This mind-numbing double standard was set perfectly (and ridiculously) by the New York Times editorial page on a sleepy Saturday, which lamented the pope's desire for a "uniform Catholic identity," which is "not exactly the best jumping-off point for tolerance or interfaith dialogue." These people seem to have no clue that the holy father's first duty is to maintain a Catholic Church that is united and true to its historical roots. His first duty is to defend an ancient deposit of faith and spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. This, to the sages of the New York Times editorial board, is an inherently offensive mission -- exclusive, intolerant, conservative.

But the next paragraph was worse, demanding that Benedict confess his offense to the secular and Islamic worlds: "The world listens carefully to the words of any pope. And it is tragic and dangerous when one sows pain, either deliberately or carelessly. He needs to offer a deep and persuasive apology, demonstrating that words can also heal."

This is rich from The New York Times, whose editor, Bill Keller, has deliberately and carelessly handed out the "pain" to reverent Roman Catholics in a 2002 column by comparing John Paul the Great to a communist despot. Deep apologies did not follow. Hypocrite, heal thyself.

But the networks followed that incompetent example, setting up the debate as Victimized Muslims vs. The Pope Who Needs to Apologize -- immediately and abjectly. On NBC, Brian Williams said, "The pope says he's sorry, but is his apology enough?" On CBS, reporter Mark Phillips said, among Muslims, "even moderates ... say the pope's words make their job much harder." ABC brought on professor Fawaz Gerges to predict, "I think it's gonna take years for the damage done to Christian-Muslim relations to be repaired."

I wonder what Gerges said about those "tone deaf" radical Muslims in the days after 9-11.

From their secular standpoint, the media's view of the highest point of religion is not the grasp of a true God, but the maintenance of an interfaith dialogue. Conflicts over serious issues, such as whether one religion is true and another false, or whether one religion is compatible with liberal democratic cultures and another is not, are annoying, unnecessary squabbles.

Pope Benedict has long noted that majority-Christian countries tolerate the free exercise of Islam, but Muslim-dominated countries often do not tolerate the free exercise of anything but Islam. The reaction to his address reveals that Western journalists don't care about this. They have elevated Islam to a special standard, an unofficial Victim Religion, which is only the victimized and never the victimizer. Even the forced Islamic conversion of American journalists taken hostage does not stir their ardor.

As I file this piece, I've read that a Palestinian cleric in Gaza, Dr. Imad Hamto, has declared "Aslim Taslam" on Pope Benedict XVI. It is a phrase taken from the letters of the prophet Muhammad to rival tribal chiefs -- urging them to convert to Islam to spare their lives.

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I agree except on one point
It's an official victim religion when you have Chimpy McBush apologizing to it.

He needs to ridicule these people for their crybaby hysteria and laugh at them like he did the death-row inmate pleading for her life. What happened to his balls we all saw existed after the carrier landing?

A Foolish Consistency ...
Why is it that liberals so often seem to resort to ad hominem argument when they cannot, or do not wish to, refute the points made in an article or column written by a conservative? When did insult replace answer as a legitimate form of debate?

Jerubaal, simple question: In your opinion, was the point that the Pope made in his address right or wrong, and why?

Looking forward to reading your response ...

jerubaal
You really make it difficult for a person to frame a response without the use of your own tactics.

What is it in your wiring that so blinds you to all that is around us?

In an amazing irony, we actually fight to give you the forum that you abuse. Incredibly (and obtusely), it never seems to occur to you or your ilk how well you would be received in the world of Islam. Bloody neckties, anyone?

And yet you blather on.

God Bless America.

jerubaal is just another enabler
For Jihad.

Nothing more.

God Bless America, I will pray for you
When a friend of mine is approached by aggressive panhandlers, she always responds, "God bless America, I will pray for you." If the person becomes obscene, profane or blasphemous, she stands there and prays for him aloud. "Nobody," she maintains, "can object to being prayed for."

Apparently a lot of people do object, not only to the Pope praying for them but to his daring to do his job. His Holiness was tasked by God to defend the sheep from the ravening wolves outside the fold. That is what he is doing, with the army that he has at his disposal, showing us the way to proceed into spiritual battle. It is his duty to preserve the household until the King should come again. That's what he's doing.

The fact that he's being greeted with screaming tantrums is not surprising to anyone who ever brought up any kids. The only surprise is the number of people who are urging him to surrender and give the screaming kiddies what they want. Unfortunately for those kiddies, they're going to get what kiddies in Brooklyn get when they "Ask for it" -- and the Pope is suggesting that before that happens maybe they'd like to try being reasonable and working out another alternative.

Press Dhimmi's
The muslims feel that it is ok to spread their "faith"... by what ever means necessary. It is convert or die .....you can hardly blame the pusilanimous press whimps for becoming dhimmi's to the muslim extremists.... they have been in places like Darfur where they see what happens to people that refuse to convert.... men with their testicles cut off...women carrying children shot in the back...nuns helping the sick murdered.....oh yes, easier to be a dhimmi and make your self feel all puffed up by complaining that Bush is torturing the terrorists by playing loud music...... (a practice used by the Clinton administration incidently against the men, women, and children at the branch Davidian compound....kooks they were but not terrorists!!).
Yes many in the left in this country want to follow the European press and political path to Dhimmi-dom. God help us see the truth.

Warrior mentality, western version
Do we have the guts to face down this hypocritical 7th-century death movement? Or are we going to take a pass, stall, placate, appease, and then let our children do the dirty work? Who doesn't believe that radical Islam is h*ll-bent on forcibly converting us, and if we don't accede, to killing us?

We surely are ball-less if we pass this on to the next couple of generations because we refused to see this as what it is.

However, I don't think western democracies can grow a set large enough to develop a warrior mentality. When presented with the will and the means, radical Islam will cower and retreat back into the tiny caves they are so used to.

Sack up, America. You will be forced to make this decision sooner or later. It is either us or our kids. What kind of parent are you?

What an interesting reaction
I'm ripping on George Bush Jr. for appeasing Islam and suddenly I'm a dhimmi? That's not the reaction I expected, and since it's irrational I'll just disregard it.

NRALifer:
Here's Bush mocking the death row inmate, please note the source!:
http://www.nationalreview.com/daily/nr080999.html

I don't think I have to cite this same man calling Islam a religion of peace, or apologizing for his islomafacism characterization, now do I?

I'm guessing that calling the President "Chimpy McBush" is what set off the charges of dhimmitude. I understand heuristic reasoning but can a conservative not criticize Bush with a poorly-chosen appelation when it concerns his unmanly coddling of a murderous ideology?

NYCRepBro: The point of the pope's speech, which I entirely agree with and Benedict 16 is my favorite pope ever as a result of it, is that faith and reason are inseparable. BTW - I'm not a liberal.

Paulie, in case it did not come across, I called Muslims crybabies. Sorry I did not specify whom I was calling crybabies. And if this is about the official victim religion comment, that was Islam, not any other religion.


Paulie
I think 9/11 taught me plenty well how our ilk is received in Islam, and reading the Koran helped. I'm pretty sure I am to be crucified.

This is the fight we MUST win
I am not a Catholic, I am not a Jew, nor an Episcopalian - but we all must join together to be able to win against the jihadists.

A lot of people ONLY see their little part in the world and like some who labor on all day about 'gay rights' divide this country when we NEED to unite.

What turned me vocal AGAINST immigration was that OTM phrase. Mexicans knew what happened on 9/11. But they DON'T help in the WOT. In fact they HELP them cross into the USA. (Maybe they figure between them they can divide the spoils.)

The way it is shaping now, America may be the "Last stand of the West." It's time to check our priorities, which do we care about? Which MIGHT we let up on long enough to win the war? We can stand as brothers or fall as enemies.

This fight CAN'T go on the back burner, the rest...

my 2 cents
1) Does anyone actually BELIEVE the President when he says Islam is a peaceful faith? Of course not. But he is the President of The United States and the leader of the free world and he has to excercise a modicum of restraint. (IOW - it's up to US to say it.)

2) Please google Sam Harris. He is a "proudly liberal" writer who has written a piece that appeared in the L.A. Times on Monday the 18th and the title is illuminating.

HEAD-IN-THE-SAND LIBERALS
Western Civilization really is at risk from Muslim extremists

Remember the cartoon riots last winter? Did you ever see them published in any even remotely mainstream U.S. publication. No.

To the best of my knowledge the Boston Phoenix, not exactly a supporter of the President, was the only publication that even had the cojones to say why. In their Febrary 10 piece explaining it they said "frankly speaking we are being terrorized."

p.s. - I watched "Studio 60" the other night. Besides being offensive it is just plain BAD. (To quote C.J. Cregg). The skit "crazy Christians" - there's cutting edge. Take a shot at 'marauding muslims" - THAT is cutting edge.

NYCRepBro
I forgot to answer why the Pope was correct that faith and reason are inseparable. It is because the deepest truths about life are not subject to empirical evaluation, but are matters of faith. Questions such as what should we do and not do, why are we here, where do we come from, and what is our duty. Concerning faith, its object is the truth revealed by God. Evaluating divinely revealed truths to achieve understanding and apply them to our lives requires the use of reason. Since faith requires the use of reason, reason and faith are inseparable.

Faith is fine, but . . .
it doesn't protect anyone from being blown to bits by terrorists.

The Pope and others all say we need "faith". I'd interpret that as "hope", as in "I hope the terrorists don't kill me today."

The Pope did nothing wrong. He made a statement as a religious leader and used the word "Islam". That's what set off the Wahibists. Freedom of speech is not one of Islam's tenets.

Regardless of the PC rhetoric that gushes from our own government, we are at war with the Muslims. We need to profile them, I.D. them, deport or jail them. Pandering to them as a voting block is not only unwise, it's downright foolish.


All The World
I am not of this world, that is why Jesus, in the living word of God, said Be Not of this world. Humans will find and do anything that will take them away from God. They will create hate out of sheer boredom, ignorance, sallow morals and a non-exsistant value system. That is the sum of the violence we see in the world today, born out of envey, greed and hate, all the elements that come out of darkness, refusing to see the light of day. Mankind will destroy himeself and his offspring, turn against one another and blame it on God, that is why Be Not Of This World. Turn to God Almighty and begin to see the light of day. Amen!!!!!

Conversion by the Sword in Islam
Let's not dodge the question. The fact is, Islam has throughout its history forced millions of people to convert. It's nothing new and it continues to this day (witness the forced conversion by the two Fox News reporters a couple of weeks ago).

Contrast with Early Christianity
Christianity spread for the first two hundred plus years in spite of the state. Romans fed Christians to the lions, for example. Centuries later, when the state embraced Christianity because of it's social benefits, there were some who were converted to Christianity by the sword. Still, most people converted freely. They did so because Christianity appealed to deep-seeded desires in mankind to create a kinder, gentler world with moral clarity.

Moreover, Christianity, even when state-sponsored, managed to reform itself in profound ways and never divorced itself, as the Pope rightly pointed out, from reason. During the Renaissance, scientists believed their discoveries were proofs of the existence of God, not a refutation of Him.

Islam, and the Sword
In contrast, Muslims spread Islam through coercion, right from the beginning (you won't find a similar parallel with Jesus). Mohammad himself ethnically cleansed the Jews from Mecca, for example. The entire North African coast was Christian until being subjugated by Muslims. Ditto for modern-day Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Turkey, which was the eastern seat of the Christian Church until the fall of Constantinople in the 1400s.

Throughout the middle ages, Muslims attacked Spain, France, Italy, the Balkans, Greece, all the way to Vienna. Millions of Europeans were raped, murdered, castrated, enslaved, and, ultimately, coerced into converting to Islam.

So this Jihad is nothing new. It's nothing we created. (The Crusades were a righteous response to unrelenting Islamic aggression). It's core to what Islam has been from its inception.

Contributions of Civilization
And let's not forget that in its long history, including it's much overblown "golden age," Islam never created a democratic society from the ashes of Greek and Roman traditions. Instead, one authoritarian ruler after another horded power.

And can anyone tell me what the great contributions are from Islam? Where are the scientific discoveries? Where are the great works of art and literature? They built nothing as grand as the Gothic Cathedrals in Europe from 800 years ago. Were are their violins, pianos, and guitars? And did they discover the laws of gravity or the principles of flight? Where are their inventions of phones, computers, medicines, printing presses, the Internet, etc.?

Europeans built their roads, trains, oil refineries, ports, etc. Those are the facts.

So, let's not forget history. It has much to offer by way of perspective on this long-standing conflict.

Will We Start Blaming Rape Victims Next?
The underlying, unspoken premise of this criticism is that the Pope should not have antagonized the Muslims. But that then presupposes, and buys into, the notion that Muslims must not ever be criticized for fear of their predictable violent reactions.

Is that what we're willing to accept as a free society? To reward barbarity and savagery by respecting a religious group's demand that it never be subjected to criticism? A demand that comes with an oh so explicit "or else" threat?

These same liberal wags were the ones to tell Catholics to shut up and take it in silence when crucifixes were being put into jars of urine as "art", or the Virgin Mary covered in elephant dung. Notice the dichotomy?

How is the MSM criticism of the Pope any different from blaming the rape victim for wearing a short skirt? Both blame the victim, and say that "you were asking for it." "You should have known better." You should have CHANGED yourself to accommodate the barbarity of "the other".

If we attack the Pope, instead of the Islamists, we attack our own cherished notion of free speech. We let the IslamoNazis win. We've already taken our first step to dhimmitude.

Islam Is Not A Religion
I keep saying, the proof is in the pudding. My definition of a religion has the underlying base that it must emphasize peace, not death and destruction. Islam is a murderous cult, similar to that of Charles Manson.

religion of peace
The President says he respects Islam and calls it a religion of peace. Well I dont, and I bet with each lunatic act by the crazy muslims around the world less and less Americans do. But who will protect us from these nuts coming here if they wont even defend us from the invasion on the southern border. The constitution is not a suicide pact. Sooner or later we'll be glad were allowed to have guns in our houses.

How to deal with Islam..
We are dealing with societal children, unable to use reason. It is wasted on the ignorant masses of radicals. They understand force, fear, and power.
To them, kindness is weakness, reason in useless babble, diplomacy is a charade.
1) Deny them martyrhood. That is the trigger for their willingness to die.
2) Get over thinking that 'moderate' muslims will corral the radicals. They're riding the fence, or afraid for their lives. Liberty will eliminate this threat, but it's a generation away.
3) Lose the 'Moral High Ground' nonsense. This is a 'Western' idea that radical islam has no concept of and does not respect. The truth of the matter may be that we may have to become much worse than them to survive. For those who think that 'I would rather die than become like them;' come over to my house, I'll hand you a knife and hold your head underwater. 5 bucks says you'll use it.
4)Prepare yourself. For six dollar gallons of gas, a burly recession, and a restructuring of society. It's time to think about a more self sufficiant lifestyle.
This is the single most potent threat to western civilization since the Mongol Hordes, and of course; the last time islam went on conquest.
Last; natural selection is about survival of the fittest. I do not see any room in the last sentence for survival of the most noble, most agreeable, or most willing to get along.

PUSILLANIMOUS PRESS PUSHOVERS
to UNCLE MAX-
The conservative magazine The Weekly Standard showed the offending Danish cartoon. It wasn't even good enough to be interesting. So far nobody has attacked their offices in Washington, oddly enough.

That there were bloody riots about them scared the western media into cowardly submission has showed the Islamonsters that they can always succeed with terror.
If mainstream newspapers or Television had shown them, fearlessly, and united against irrational primitives and their bloodthirsty cult, Their hair-trigger rioting would die down because their objectives would be frustrated. Instead, we're getting more murderous ramapages to prove, illogically as it might seem to rational beings, that Muslim gangsters are all about "peace", and that in their outrage at being called violent will kill defenceless women and children to prove it, and it's our fault.
If instead of the spineless lot of anti-democracy hippies that run our major news outlets today, and truly patriotic men and women were there instead, there would be a vastly different national conception of just who our enemies are and what our proper response should be.




Editorial
The head of our county Democratic party recently wrote an editorial in which she said she would prefer to take her chances with terrorism, rather than the assaults on her liberty by George Bush. Everyone should read it, in the Fayetteville Observer, to see the mind-set of these people.

Occam's razor
Elliott said, "you can hardly blame the pusilanimous press whimps for becoming dhimmi's to the muslim extremists....(atrocities snipped for brevity)...oh yes, easier to be a dhimmi and make your self feel all puffed up by complaining that Bush is torturing the terrorists by playing loud music"

I prefer the simpler explanations:
a) The int'l press agent never knows where he's bound to next, so as to not offend Muslims he offers nothing critical of them, so as not to be shot the next time he's there (doesn't always work)
b) He's so busy traveling the world over he never has time to get his feet wet in the culture he's in, or he's held at arm's length from the true culture and so never gets a feel for it.

If you want a feel for what being immersed in a culture can do to your point of view, read Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. He spent most of 1930-1940 in either Paris, Vienna, or Berlin, and noted how strange it was to see the American point of view when he visited New York, not being a Nazi sympathizer, but just having a European view.

I would bet our journalists all come back from their trips overseas, even after years, thoroughly American simply because they _don't_ immerse themselves in the culture (can't lose objectivity after all), and thereby miss its true feel and nuances. How can one report on that which about he knows nothing?

We deserve better from our press - a bunch of know-nothings.

what are the odds?
"The head of our county Democratic party recently wrote an editorial in which she said she would prefer to take her chances with terrorism, rather than the assaults on her liberty by George Bush."

On a strictly numerical basis, you _do_ have a better chance of being killed in a car crash. At least now.

I won't say all things in the PATRIOT Act were bad. We needed some of them (roving wiretaps on cell phones, for instance) to keep up with technology.

Rugged Individualist
"And can anyone tell me what the great contributions are from Islam? Where are the scientific discoveries? Where are the great works of art and literature? ...Where are their inventions of phones, computers, medicines, printing presses, the Internet, etc.?"

Base 10 positional notation, lifted from the Hindus. We lifted it from them from captured books. Numbers as we know them came into widespread use during the 15th/16th centuries.

The astrolabe, which helped Europeans as early as the 800s to realize the Julian calendar was off, but since complex fractions were not used until we began using Arabic numbers, the difference could not be reconciled. Francis Bacon recognized it in the 1200s, but his friend who became Pope died before he could act on it.

Look at the names of bright stars. Most of them carry Arabic names. Betelgeuse - armpit. Rijil (Rigel) - leg. Zuben'el-genubi. Shall I go on?

The Taj Mahal. Yes, it's a Muslim Queen's tomb.
The Hagga Sophia in Istanbul - originally a church.

A lot of the "classical" texts that were translated in the Middle Ages, were in fact Arabic translations of Greek and Roman works.

While the Arabs may not have had much to do with many modern inventions, they set the groundwork for what came after. Without them Western civilization would have been much different. Amazingly, we needed Islam to lift Europe from the Dark Ages as fast as it did. The number system alone was the single biggest help we got.

My source for all this? A book called "Calendar". Sorry, I don't have the author's name right now as I'm not at home.

MUSLIMS AGAINST PROGRESS
But all of those things happened hundreds of years ago- One might be led to assume that real progress in art, science, literature, etc. stopped having any importance to the muslim mind and so their impact on the progress of mankind in general stopped then.

Moderate Muslims?
Excuse me, but if you look at what Islam says, and how it is lived, even "moderate" Muslims are over the edge when compared to reasonable people.

"Fourth Estate" is really "Fifth Column"
About a month ago, on Chris Matthews Cable TV show, Brian Williams commented (after another of the Muslims' atrocities somewhere) that FDNY firefighters who scrambled up the stairs into the World Trade Center towers to rescue people, were just like the Jihadists doing their thing !

Talk about moral degeneracy!

What a twisted bxxxxxd!

Is the man also a child molester?

That seems to be the kind of mindset which would also condone such horrid actions.

Cui bono?
The media ignores or ridicules the teachings of the Catholic church at every opportunity. Why then did it cover this obscure lecture? Why did it rip out of context an arcane point of religious philosophy? It was a provocation just as the cartoons published first in a Danish newspaper by a Jewish editor and then republished simultaneously across Europe was. The point is to inflame the ignorant among the enemies of Zionism.

Near all of America's problems in the Middle East derive from its support of the theft of land on the basis of religion and the denial of basic human right to people due to their faith. Those who loudly proclaim Islam as intolerant support the state of Israel and its century of genocide against the Christians and Muslims of Palestine. They enable hatred while mouthing off about love.

This sideshow is an example of the pro Israel press extracting out of context parts a remark by the Pope for the purpose of inflaming the passions of the ignorant. The media ignores the teachings of the Catholic Church as much as possible except when misrepresenting them aids Zionism. This is a contrived event. Cui bono?

What Islam stands for
The killing of a nun and the burning of churches in response to the Pope's remarks prove that his remarks were accurate. The lack of protest on the part of Muslims against the endless bombings, killings of innocents, beheadings, and general mayhem and destruction in the name of Allah prove that if they do not support terrorism the majority of Muslims tolerate it and if they continue to do so they endanger the very existence of their religion because the rest of the world outside of Islam is for the most part are interested in a world where peace can allow the building of prosperous economies and good lives for the people's of their nations and this majority of nations will not put up forever with the madness and destructive behavior of an out of control religion. So a good warning to Muslims would be clean up your act or the world will do it for you and that way might not be pretty.

Academic elites, too.
"There are moments where it becomes painfully apparent that the media elites think that the only thing redeeming about Western culture is its ability to regret its existence."

I would include the mea culpa academic elites of America's campuses.

Who still advertises in the NY Times?
I will never subscribe to the Times and I think I have only bought one of its papers in fifty years(which was one too many). So how does such a biased rag remain in print?

Brent Bozell once again tells it like it is not how a small group of nontraditional, condescending editors and journalists "irrationally" think it should be.

WATCH WHAT YOU WATCH
Of course they spout garbage like that! They are obsessed with their hatred of GW Bush to the extent that they regard even the 9/11 attacks themselves as just part of "Bush's War".
I've been watching TV and our presidents as far back as Kennedy, and I have seen a new low in broadcasting just this past Labor Day when GWB gave a speech.
From the 1940's to the 1970's, a major presidential address would be covered live and would be treated with the dignity and respect the office demands. Following such, a network commentator would "analyze" what had been said. Sometimes this would be a way of skewing the meaning to the commentator's point of view. Sometime later the comentator or commentators would be joined by politicos to help analyze/spin it some more.
I recall that there were times, especially toward the end, that Nixon couldn't get time requested, and that was so unusual that, true to form, it was excused in that it was his fault because he had disgraced and disrespected the high office, so how could the news know-it-alls possibly honor him with THEIR air time?
There was a dreaded "fainess rule" that had the opposing party giving a rebuttal after the speeches that were shown. I'm glad that's gone, but with the demise of that rule and the rise of the 24/7 cable news networks, it seems that, outside of CSPAN1, you will hardly ever see a presidential speech except the state of the union address, and yes, it will be chewed to pieces by the opposition follow-up still.
But this Labor Day, a new development in the annals of Bushphobia manifested on MSNBC; while the president is speaking, he's shrunk into a box and he's joined by a smaller box, containing a Bush-hating talking media head,AS BUSH'S AUDIO IS CUT OUT. We see him, but that's as far as they dared. The NBC staff and guest headcases like Pat Buchanan give their anti-Bush blather INSTEAD of hearing the man talk. The analysis has become more important than the speech. How arrogant! When you hear the charge that Fox News is unfair and baldly political, it being made by those that would presume you're better off hearing more of their opinions than than to waste time listening to some unimportant troublemaker that only would contradict them and confuse you if they let him speak.

Factotum argued,
"But all of those things happened hundreds of years ago..."


Yes, they were, but to quote Rugged Individualist: "And can anyone tell me what the great contributions are from Islam?" He (I assume he) did not specify a time frame.

Good analogy or not?
"...that FDNY firefighters who scrambled up the stairs into the World Trade Center towers to rescue people, were just like the Jihadists doing their thing !"

I'll agree, in the sense that they see it as their moral duty to go into a situation in which they may lose their lose their lives for the greater good. That's about the _only_ analogy I could make.

RE: Watch what you watch
factotum: I agree with your 2nd and last paragraphs. Have respect for the office even if you don't have respect for the man.

Listening to someone rip apart a speech without being to hear it for myself is being subjected to propaganda.

special standard
The two daily newspapers in this area (The Wisconsin State Journal and the Cap Times) have made the same special standard for Islam. It is evident in their editorials but also on the State Journal's Sunday front page which no longer has any news-only articles on health, etc., and editorials complete with photos of the editorialist.
The Cap Times calls itself "Dane County's (Wisconsin) progressive newspaper" but noone responds to my emails asking what progressive means. Actually, they don't respond to anything. My question is: why does American public consider the major newspapers and major media anything but a political platform?

birdbell wrote:
"but noone responds to my emails asking what progressive means."

That's one of those terms like "fascist". It used to mean something specific, but got watered down over the years from being too often as a mantra. "We are Progressives...we are Progressives..."

Being a Progressive implies progress. I agree. From what to what? It meant something 100 years ago, but what does it mean now?

Jay in Milwaukee
I credit you with responding to Rugged Indi with some examples of Arabic contributions, even if they are somewhat dated. Must admit I am not familiar with your source work, Calendar, but it does sound interesting, will look forward to searching it out my next trip to town. I do have to point out however that by your own admission most of the accomplishments you cited were either lifted (your term) or simply translations of work done by other cultures.

In any event the fact still remains that as, for the most part, the rest of the civilized world has made progress over the last twelve centuries the Arab/muslem world has stagnated.

Jay in Milwaukee -
After reading your posts, I'm not surprised at your belief that there is moral equivalence between firefighters heading to a site to rescue people and Jihadists lusting to kill women and children in the hope of ravaging 72 virgins so they may spread the word of a child rapist.

Unh hunh . . .

Response to 9/11
I wonder what Gerges said about those "tone deaf" radical Muslims in the days after 9-11.

On the day of 9/11, in the court yard of the Unversity of Miami, muslim students cheered and celebrated as the towers tumbled down. I know this for a fact, as a very close friend worked in the office for foreign exchange students. Was there a mention of this in the Herald? Did they appologize for thier behavior? I doubt it.
The Cathololic religion is constantly being attacked and ridiculed, but you don't hear us asking for apologies. You won't see us blowing ourselves up in a nearby cafe. We won't be going to a nearby rally and end it off by rioting.
Where is the apology by Iran's president, who wants to destroy Isreal and any form of christianity, and has stated so. Where is the outrage.
What about the nun that was gunned down, shot in the back. For what!!!!? An innocent woman shot in the back. They are such cowards.
Is this what the liberals want? What are they expecting to gain in accepting this sort of behavior? All I know is that under Islamic law, these liberals would be beheaded in an blink of an eye.

Jay, note factual errors
Base 10 positional notation. You indicate this was lifted from the Hindus. Hindus are not Muslims and most would be insulted at the inclusion since Muslims are busy killing Hindus in some parts of our world. However, according to Encarta, base 10 positional notation was first recorded among the ancient Egyptians, a long time before Islam. Also, "Arabic" numerals were developed by the Hindus in the 3rd century BC. The Arabs adopted the system in the 7th or 8th century AD. Europeans did start using them, probably gotten from Arab sources, around 978 AD.

"Classic" works that were Muslim translations of Greek and Roman works -- the works were originally Green and Roman, not Islamic, therefore the ideas and philosophy, which is what is truly important in them, were not Islamic, but Western in origin.

Hagga Sophia was built by Christians and defaced by Muslims. What is beautiful about it is the surviving Orthodox Christian elements.

The astrolabe was most likely invented by the Greek astronomer Hipparchus who lived c 190-120 BC in what is now Turkey, but seven centuries before Mohammed, thus it is a Greek invention, not an Islamic invention by any stretch of the imagination.

The Muslims may have once been great borrowers of the inventions of other societies, but that is not the same as having the ability to develop those ideas and technologies themselves. And just because an inventor/innovator/thinker lived an area that several centuries later came under Islamic sway does not mean that worthy was Islamic. These were men (usually men) who had been enriched by Greek thought, not Islamic thought. Using your miscalculated attributions, the Apostle Paul must have been Islamic (just joking).

I will grant that the Taj Mahal was built by a Muslim for his queen and it is beautiful. The rest of what you had to say was factually incorrect and easily checked.


media's prayer
Does the media pray for the day they are enslaved by the Islamofacist? If they keep up this rhetoric, their prayers just might be answered....

Anti-Christ
When will people start talking about what many of us realize: Mohammed was the Anti-Christ. The twelfth Imam is the second coming of the Anti-Christ.

Apologize? Never!
Pope Benedict knew what he was doing. He wasm't trying to impress Noam Chomsky; he was trying to influence Islam. He misjudged the reaction he would get.How far will he retreat? No farther than Little Round Top. No one in his right mind should sell this Pope short. He might look like Opie Taylor, but he's an Opie with muscles and he's going to grow and grow and grow. Islam has not seen or heard the last of him--Maxflack

Apologize? Never!
Pope Benedict knew what he was doing. He wasn't trying to impress Noam Chomsky; he was trying to influence Islam. He misjudged the reaction he would get.How far will he retreat? No farther than Little Round Top. No one in his right mind should sell this Pope short. He might look like Opie Taylor, but he's an Opie with muscles and he's going to grow and grow and grow. Islam has not seen or heard the last of him--Maxflack

apologist
I wouldn't give Mohammed that much exclusive claim; save some room in that designation for the Hildebeast.

maxflack
Agreed about the pope, and I LOVE it!

Journalists or apologists?
The media's response to the Pope's speech illustrates how utterly shallow most journalists are. Instead of asking for an apology from the Pope, they should be asking serious questions such as:

Is there a place for reason within the Muslim faith?

Can any religion justify violence to spread itself?

Doesn't using violence to spread a faith indicate an absence of reason?

Confronting some of these issues might spark a glimmer of critical thinking among Muslims -- a skill they seem for the most part to entirely lack. Brent correctly notes that critical thought is also in very short supply among the MSM. No surprise there.
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