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Friday, September 08, 2006
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
NBC slices and dices "Veggie Tales"
by Brent Bozell
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Just what is this entertainment media obsession with Tom Cruise's baby pictures? Is there nothing else of interest out there in Hollywood? Actually, there is -- and they're ignoring it, proving just how disconnected the Hollywood press is from the American mainstream.

Maybe you're familiar with the computer-animated cartoon "Veggie Tales," a video series targeted at children ages 2 to 8, and which features moral and religious tales hosted by Bob the Tomato and Larry the Cucumber. Beginning in 1993, the series was distributed on VHS tapes, telling biblical stories like the Battle of Jericho, David and Goliath and the tale of the Good Samaritan. Each show ended with a Bible verse.

And it's been a marketing phenomenon. Without any broadcasting or syndication on television, "Veggie Tales" has sold more than 50 million "Veggie Tales" DVDs and videotapes -- primarily, but quietly, through big chain stores like Target, Wal-Mart and Family Christian Stores. As their popularity spread, so did "Veggie Tales" T-shirts, plush toys and other products.

In true Hollywood fashion, the show's focus on young children and its cutesy vegetable stars made it a frequent target of mockery. The absolute low point came on Comedy Central's perverse cartoon "Drawn Together," which satirized the show by having the Larry the Cucumber character go on a murderous rampage, killing nearly all the Comedy Central cartoon's major characters, shooting most of them bloodily in the head. Behind the killings, a laugh track howled. No one in Hollywood wondered if that might be "offensive," let along just plain sick.

Eventually, someone in Tinseltown saw the commercial possibilities. Now, the news breaks that NBC (as well as NBC-owned Telemundo) will begin showing "Veggie Tales" cartoons on Saturday mornings for the new fall season. Maybe this isn't Earth-shattering news. In a world of 24-7 cartoon programming on cable and satellite, Saturday morning at the Big Three networks is a forgotten land, and the days where children would get up and watch test patterns on Saturdays in anticipation of cartoons has long passed.

But here is what should be news. The early word from producers is that NBC has grown increasingly fierce about editing something out of "Veggie Tales" -- those apparently unacceptable, insensitive references to God and the Bible.

So NBC has taken the very essence of "Veggie Tales" -- and ripped it out. It's like "Gunsmoke" without the guns, or "Monday Night Football" without the football.

Think about this corporate mindset. NBC is the network that hired a squad of lawyers to argue that dropping the F-bomb on the Golden Globe Awards isn't indecent for children, but invoking God is wholly unacceptable. Or, as one e-mailing friend marveled: "So, saying 'F--- you' is protected First Amendment speech on NBC but not 'God bless you.'"

The cartoon's creator, Phil Vischer, posted on his personal Web log the news of NBC's increasing creative stranglehold. "At first we were told everything was 'OK' except the Bible verse at the end. Frankly, that news (never) really surprised me, because, heck, we're talking about NBC here. (Would they allow) God on Saturday morning? It didn't seem likely."

But it grew worse than that edict, Vischer reported: "Since we've started actually producing the episodes, though, NBC has gotten a little more restrictive." How so? He said, "We're having to do a little more editing." How much? So much so that Vischer implied that the God talk is landing on the cutting-room floor. Now, he's merely hoping that people will "maybe wander into Wal-Mart and buy a video with all the God still in."

This is one of those moments where you understand that networks like NBC are only talking an empty talk and walking an empty walk when it comes to the First Amendment, and "creative integrity," and so on. They have told parents concerned about their smutty programs like "Will and Grace" that if they're offended, they have a remote control as an option. The networks have spent millions insisting that we have a V-chip in our TV sets. Change the channel. Block it out.

But when it comes to religious programming -- programming that doesn't even mention Jesus Christ -- just watch the hypocrisy. Instead of telling viewers to just change the channel if they don't like it, or put in a V-chip for Bible verses, they demand to producers that all that outdated old-time religion has to be shredded before broadcast.

It's truly sad that this anti-religious hypocrisy would emerge. Today, no one in network TV fears what the children are watching -- unless it makes them think about God.

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why?
We know why NBC is doing this, they are a bunch of secularists devoted to removing God from every aspect of public life.

What I don't understand is why Big Idea (company that created Veggie tales) allows this. Are they so very powerless against such artistic assault and battery on poor Bob and Larry?

Bumblyburg needs a superhero.

zzzzzzz

P.S. Bumbluburg is the hometown of Larryboy, a superhero "played" by Larry the Cucumber.

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"the days where children would get up
and watch test patterns on Saturdays in anticipation of cartoons has long passed."

I mourn that passing. As a kid, that was one of the best things in life: Saturday morning cartoons.

Here's a question:
Why would you take something that works, and mess with it?

NBC and Veggie Tales
Why did Phil Vischer think that NBC was going to let him tell Bible stories on network tv? A little naive on his part.
If he wanted to be on network tv why didn't Big Idea go to PAX or Sinclair? They would be more likely to let him tell the stories the way he wants and should.
Its to bad that the big three are as stupid as they are. Let a network like PAX take it and be successful with it. It will let the other networks go out of business a little faster.
Its pointless to edit for NBC.

The whole point
The whole point of Veggie Tales is to tell Bible stories. Besides how good can it be after all the "God" stuff is taken out, and those who enjoy Veggie Tales will not enjoy the resulting pale imitation.

Quite frankly
As someone who grew up on Saturday morning cartoons, I say make them entertaining for kids, and don't worry about the rest. This may not go over well, but when I was growing up, Saturday morning was for ninja turtles, and Sunday morning was for God. Let the kids have what they want, Bible verse or not, on Saturday, as long as they're in Church on Sunday.

Its all about the money
I'm sorry to see that no matter how well a program is doing off the air, eventually the Ring of Power seduces the producer into taking the thirty pieces of silver.

If anyone wants to broadcast anything I have produced and sold successfully to the world, let him broadcast it as I have produced and sold it or take his hat in his hand and get off my property.

Don't think that's particularly hard to understand. Unless, of course, it's all about the CASH.

Re: NBC slices and dices Veggie tales

BIGbelly writes:

> Here's one of our freedoms under attack again
> freedom of Religon [...]


Not true. We have the freedom to get religious
programming from other sources (e.g., PAX).

The idea of freedom cuts both ways. What about
NBC's freedom? Its freedom to broadcast whatever
it wants to?

Complaining about an abridgement of our freedoms
is inappropriate here. NBC is a commercial operation.
If someone disapproves of its product, then let them
make their feelings known to NBC. After all, it was
viewer (consumer) pressure that got the excellent
animated series "Family Guy" returned to the air.
(Not on NBC, granted, but the principle was the same.)


-CB-



SOLD OUT!!
It's sad that the producers of Veggie Tales have sold out to NBC.

Is it Big Idea or Classic Media?
Let's not forget that Big Idea was bought by Classic Media a few years back. How much control does Vischer have if CM decides they want Veggie Tales on TV?

My kids won't be watching. Mean Mommy that I am, I limit TV with a vengenance. I like the Veggie Tale videos/DVDs. I watch them with the boys. Good messages, fun music, a few sophisticated jokes for Mom (like the spoof on Hamlet), and short enough the kids aren't watching for hours on end. But even "good," kid-friendly network TV shows are loaded with commercials teaching kids to want-want-want. No thanks.


NBC's duplicity is the issue. . .
. . . maintaining their 1st Amendment freedom, and the relinquished creative control of Veggie Tales content are not Bozell's point.

This story exposes the real agenda of NBC. They care less for creative freedom, or 1st amendment issues, or even making big money, than they care about what all humans care about when we are avoiding the claims of God on our lives.

We all want to justify our lives apart from God.

So "Will and Grace" has to be defended with passionate conviction, because no one must question any possible self-indulgent path we might decide to take.

And "Veggie Tales" must be excised of all references to the claims of God on its characters.

It will always be this way. Christians should not be surprised at this duplicity in others, and should not tolerate it in themselves.




No Big Surprise
Don't be surprised when companies like NBC act in this way. They are only following what they have been taught in colleges and universities. There is no God that we answer to, Darwin and others is said to have already "killed religion."

This messaged is forced down the throats of students by athiests and Darwinian Fundamentalists and those who don't believe it are threatened and forced to teach it from college down to the elementary level.

This is why it is important for people to rise up and tell the truth and to educate the people in their sphere of influence. Become a mentor with students that you know and give them an answer to these anti-God believers.

To change back to a culture where NBC doesn't kill shows by taking out the message of those shows, our culture needs an enema and a lesson in proper nutrition for our souls.

Steven

media and Tom Cruise
Its not only NBC that in in rapture of Tom and family, Perky Katie decided it was so newsworthy in her first debut on Nightly News. The media and enternment types are so impressed with themselves that nothing else matters. They only slant the news as a pasttime. Wonder why the interest in them is on the wan? Shouldn`t be too hard to figure out.

There's Never Ever Been a Show
Too bad it will go this direction. I hope BigIdea has enough power to pull it, if NBC continues to water it down.

The Bible stories are what makes the show.

address?
Who at NBC should we write to? Brent Bozell should know the best person to write to. Mike Adams almost always gives addresses and names in cases like this.

NBC's "freedom" to rip up Veggie Tales?
How clueless can anyone be? Did NBC acquire Veggie Tales because it was obscure and unprofitable? No, quite the opposite. So, what do these geniuses do right away? Emasculate the show, which will render it unpopular and profitless. They are so blinded by their mindless anti-religious prejudice, they can't even read the bottom line of a balance sheet anymore. So, their apparent "freedom" to air whatever they want is nothing more than a very stupid business decision. But, the space cadets from Planet Hollywood will never learn that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Get Better lawyers!
Disclaimer: I'm completely unfamiliar with the show in question, BUT:

1) The product was a commercial success before NBC's involvement.
2) NBC's primary interest in it was profit.
3) The moral/spiritual content was an impediment for NBC.
4) The Producers were naïve in a) looking to cash in without thinking of the consequences of hopping into bed with NBC, and b) thinking NBC actually wanted the message and not just the profit.
5) Moral of the story: If you contract with the devil, always read the fine print, picture every worst case scenario, because you will get shafted! It's ony matter of finding out just exactly how, but you will get shafted. That is a foregone conclusion.

How to contact the Veggie Tales folks?
So that I can let them know how utterly disappointed I am with them that they would consent for even a nanosecond to get in bed with the N(uclear) B(iological) (and) C(hemical) (warfare against God) corporation..

I have watched several of their movie length stories with the grandchildren. What would be the point of a Jonah story without God references? Don’t pollute the ocean or the whale will get you?

I don’t watch Fox news so I have no idea who Paris Hilton is. I’d heard the name but thought it was a hotel in a French city. Did she say something nasty about Jews?

Veggie Tales
I appreciate Phil Vischer and the team at Big Idea for what they have accomplished with the God centered videos they have produced. The impact is being felt or companies like NBC wouldn't be considering airing the project. It is disapointing that Vischer doesn't have final say on the editing process. Of course that's not surprising when dealing with folks who are primarily humanist, but at least the door has been cracked. We should never apologize for our beliefs, but when it comes to getting a good word out to a national audience, take the opportunity. There is the possiblilty of a parent, grandparent or even a child's friend hearing something in the program that interest them enough to purchase an original "unedited" version. Then real seeds of truth can be planted. I say hat's off to Phil Vischer. Keep making a difference in a world filled with godless programming. It's time to at least have great, quality family programming available. Please, keep up the good work, Mr. Vischer. Oh, and one day, like it or not, the decision makers will be thinking about God. Maybe this will influence one of their children. Now that would be something!


NBC
What is the problem with NBC? I think that it is time for the people to let the so called networks be told that we the people do not like this Political correctness, and to knock it off. Then if they keep on acting like a king sitting on top of the throne and not listening, then we the people stop watching their darn Network.

BIGIDEA
DON'T DO IT !!! DON'T SELL YOUR SOUL TO THE DEVIL !
YOU ARE FAMOUS ENOUGH..YOU ARE MAKING ENOUGH MONEY (AREN'T YOU?) YOU DON'T REALLY NEED THEM.
PLEASE DON'T LET NBC CHANGE YOUR IDEA'S YOUR MORALS YOUR VALUES..DON'T GIVE THEM THE CHANCE TO DESTROY THIS ONE THING THAT WE STILL HAVE FOR OUR CHILDREN THAT IS GOOD AND MORAL.
I HAVE THE ENTIRE VEGGIE TALES LIBRARY BUT IF YOU DO THIS THING I WON'T BE BUYING ANYMORE.

Yoked
Become yoked together with unbelievers and then be surprised that they don't want to go in the same direction as you.

The criticism here should be directed at the producers of Veggie Tales.

Cliffhanger -- You're absolutely right
I recommend you "put your money where your mouth is", and STOP WATCHING NBC.

Or any OTHER tv show that broadcasts things you disagree with.

Seriously. Really. I mean it. DO IT.

If enough people STOP WATCHING the crap, you can trust that they'll stop showing it.

THAT is what FREEDOM is all about.

Censorship
RE: The statement: "The early word from producers is that NBC has grown increasingly fierce about editing something out of 'Veggie Tales'-- those apparently unacceptable, insensitive references to God and the Bible."

Hmmm! I always thought the Left and its media allies opposed censorship. Silly me.

What is the point?
Why would NBC purchase this extemely successful program and then gut everything that made it successful? It seems as if someone at NBC looked at Big Idea's numbers, but not the content and then thought "whoa, what is this Bible story stuff?" What is the difference between "Veggie Tales" and the mini-series of different Bible Stories like "The Ten Commandments"? Makes no sense to me....

UncaAlby
I have done this already, I do not watch NBC Nightly News, because I believe they are all lies. I also do not watch much of any of the so called big three networks, they have nothing worth watching. I use cable and watch the Western Channel most of the time. I very much agree with you that is what Freedom is all about.

Poor UncaAlby
Posted like a true libertine. That tired, shopworn "change the channel if you don't like it" argument is just a sneaky way of defending the notion that freedom means everything is permitted and nothing should be restricted (except, of course, anything or anyone who advocates traditional morality). His/her argument has been the classic rationalization for individual degeneracy and cultural deterioration since time immemorial.

Hyperventilating UncaAlby...
Try slow breathing into a paper bag UncaAlby, while you re-read Bozell's column. Nowhere in the article does he say the editing of Veggie Tales was a first amendment issue. He only made reference to the first amendment as being one of the tools by which NBC attempts to justify the promotion of its depraved worldview. And it is NBC's increasingly depraved worldview, not the means by which they accomplish it, that is the point of the story.

NBC has the right to edit the shows
But I have the right to call the network a bunch of hypocrites.

I don't blame BIG IDEA, because it sounds like this caveat came in after the agreement. I certainly hope that NBC changes their mind, or BIG IDEA gets out of the deal.

NBC has done downhill anyway.

Think
In order to make a profit and function in our capitalistic society, one must abide by the twin powers of supply and demand. It is these gate keepers, not the executives at CBS, NBC, FOX, or anywhere else, that determine who, what, where, when and why.

These are businesses; non-sentient entities whose only responsibility is to create wealth. They are not free missionary distribution resources. They exist only to make a profit, not to promote values or dogma.

Guilt, blame, self righteousness and any other irrational emotions should be directed at Phil Vischer, or better yet, kept to one's self.





First Amendment
Quoth Bozell: "This is one of those moments where you understand that networks like NBC are only talking an empty talk and walking an empty walk when it comes to the First Amendment, and "creative integrity," and so on. They have told parents concerned about their smutty programs like "Will and Grace" that if they're offended, they have a remote control as an option. The networks have spent millions insisting that we have a V-chip in our TV sets. Change the channel. Block it out."

In other words, NBC *has the right* to put on smutty programs. Don't like it? Change the channel. YES. It's a tired, shopworn cliche BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.

No matter how much you like to whine about broadcasting in America, and "cultural depravity" and "sleaze" and everything else, YOU STILL HAVE ULTIMATE CONTROL OVER YOUR TV. USE IT.

Continues Bozell: "But when it comes to religious programming -- programming that doesn't even mention Jesus Christ -- just watch the hypocrisy."

WHAT hypocrisy? They don't want to broadcast religious programming. When did they ever say they did?

They've made a marketing decision. They've decided religion doesn't sell on mainstream TV. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong. If they're wrong, they'll suffer in the marketplace.

Continues: "Instead of telling viewers to just change the channel if they don't like it, or put in a V-chip for Bible verses, they demand to producers that all that outdated old-time religion has to be shredded before broadcast."

Whatever does one have to do with the other? NBC made a decision to not broadcast religion. They made a decision that religion was *not* a critical selling point to the show. Is that their right or not? NBC HAS ULTIMATE AUTHORITY OVER THEIR BROADCAST CONTENT. They are perfectly free to tell their producers and creators what they want and don't want.

If the producers don't like it, sell the product to another network.

On one hand, you have Bozell and crowd whining about things NBC *does* broadcast. Then on the other hand, you have Bozell and crowd whining about things NBC *doesn't* broadcast.

In *either* case, NBC HAS THE RIGHT. In *either* case, Bozell, the PTC, the FCC, the Religious Right, and everybody else DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to tell NBC what *not* to air or what *to* air.

If they *don't* broadcast what you want to view, CHANGE THE CHANNEL. Last I heard, TBN was still in business, and I think they broadcast religion 24/7. So there you go, lock your remote control to that channel AND STOP WHINING.

You religious control-freaks act like this is the only time the TV networks stepped up to take creative control over a show. This happens all the time. Many a movie actor, stand-up comic, etc. who've done television will tell you the same thing. Talk to Bill Cosby. Talk to Jeff Foxworthy. The network executives come in and take over the control and ruin things. That's just life in television.

Bill Cosby was able to keep creative control over his show because over the years, he's been able to garner enough clout to tell the network executives to sit down and shut up. So he made his show a hit, and he did it *his* way. Not everybody has that kind of clout.

That's life, people. If you don't like it, sell your product to someone else.

Robert E. Lee and others
You should read Diane Ravitch's compelling and infuriating book, "The Language Police: How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn." It examines the damage that special-interest groups do when they place their ideology ahead of genuine education. She points out that both the Extreme Right and the Extreme Left are very fond of censorship, and will do their best to keep people (especially young people) from seeing, hearing, or reading anything that diverges from their own Vision of Utopia. Her examples of "Censorship from the Left" are very illuminating indeed. (The examples of censorship from the Right came in the form I was expecting: fantasy-phobes who want to ban everything from the Brothers Grimm to Harry Potter, and even wrinkle their noses in distaste at "The Chronicles of Narnia" despite the fact that their author, C.S. Lewis, was a devout Christian.)

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the Era of the Fragile Psyche -- an era where our emotions and ideas are so tenuous that the mere SIGHT of any contradictory image or idea will automatically overthrow everything we've ever believed. In this Era, people (especially youngsters) must be insulated and protected from dissent, because they might (gasp!) be OFFENDED by the idea that some people out there don't see the world as they see it! One would think that the right not to be offended was one of the most sacred privileges granted by the Constitution. Forgotten in all this rush to protect people from ideas that contradict their own (e.g. atheists supposedly need protection from Christmas carols in the mall and the very mention of the word "God") is that ideas and beliefs, if they are worth anything, actually grow STRONGER in the face of contradiction and dissent. If your ideas seriously need protection from disagreement, it might be time to take a closer, harder look at those ideas.

I don't agree with Bozell's columns all the time, but in this one, I think he's right on point: this kind of censorship is intellectual barbarism, and it isn't only Veggie Tales that suffers from it. I can remember one of my greatest pleasures as a youngster came from watching "The Bugs Bunny/ Road Runner Show." When I was young, the network aired the cartoons uncut. But just a few years ago, when Cartoon Network aired them, I couldn't help noticing that certain scenes were missing. For example, Daffy Duck's "suicide gag" was cut from the end of "The Scarlet Pumpernickel," presumably because someone thought that kids might try to follow Daffy's example and shoot themselves in the head. (My God, it's a miracle I made it to adulthood, then; "Scarlet Pumpernickel" was always one of my favorites.)Another instance: 1939's "Jeepers Creepers" was robbed of its closing gag, an Eddie "Rochester" Anderson joke that doesn't square with contemporary politically correct attitudes about race. For a non-WB example, "Der Fuehrer's Face," one of the funniest Donald Duck shorts Disney ever made, was taken out of circulation for a long time for fear that its caricatures of Nazis would offend Germans. Gah!

Ravitch points out that in our zeal not to give offense, we're fast stripping both education and entertainment of anything and everything that resembles an actual point of view, an actual conflict. A point of view, by its very nature, assumes opposition, and we can't have that, can we? As a result, education and entertainment are growing increasingly shallow, and young people's psyches increasingly fragile. This is not good news.

For Sandman
If you think Bozell & crowd aren't after total control over broadcasting content, check his archvies.

E.g., he was beside himself with glee when the FCC increased the penalties.

That's not what somebody does when they believe in freedom, liberty, limited government, etc., like conservatives *say* they believe, but just don't happen to like sleaze on television. As it so happens, there are a *lot* of things on TV that I find offensive -- but I know how my blocking works, and I use it.

When you believe in freedom, you don't praise the actions of the FCC, you condemn them. The FCC does not mean Freedom, it means Big Government Control.

You can still condemn the content of broadcast television while decrying the use of government force to get the kind of content you want.

Instead of trying to increase government control over broadcast content, and making fun of the V-chip (which his crowd helped get put in place, by use of government force of course), Bozell should be helping people learn how to *work* their V-chips. The networks are *always* going to broadcast what the marketplace wants to watch. Period, end of story.

Dear Pamela
You just might want to add "The Myth of Neutrality" by Frank Schaeffer to your library. Apparently wide sections of the American public, including yourself (and,I guess Europeans as well), are under the illusion that moral and legal "neutrality" equals "freedom." Nonsense, and a simple example will prove it. take the question of abortion: its either legal or it is not. How, then, can the law be "neutral" on that subject? But the most damning argument against that entire view of the world is that it is self-contradictory. The real question, as Mr. Schaeffer points out, is whose view of the world should prevail, the Classical-Christian view, based on sound logic and the wisdom of tradition, all based in turn on a proper understanding of human nature, or the phony view of the Left, based non-judgmentalism, everything and everyone are equal, pleasure-seeking is the highest good, etc. Diane Ravitch's book is simply an exercise in rhetoric and logical sleight-of-hand designed to support the Left's view of morality without appearing to do so.

Why VeggieTales was mocked:
Brent, in your column you condemned Comedy Central's satire of VeggieTales.

Want to know why they do it?

To see how people like you react. Quite frankly, I think it is hilarious when you get offended by something, and trust me, so do they. They only broadcast things like that because THEY KNOW that people like you will rant about it like you have just done. If you just let it go, and ignore it, they have no reaction reinforcing them, and they stop.

But poor Brent, he gets his feelings hurt on almost every single thing any television network broadcasts. I don't know why he gets offended when a network satirizes his faith, especially when he himself sets himself up to be made fun of, kind of like the elementary school kid with the big glasses, pocket protector and pants up to his chest. I look foward to the day Brent himself gets satirized in "South Park" or "Family Guy".

My family and I are Christian, but we (my father especially) don't like seeing religion shoved down out throats when we want to be entertained. If we want to watch religious programming we can watch TBN or ETWN (Catholic Network I believe). People don't want to watch NBC for religious programming, so you can take that up with the viewing population instead of NBC. If you don't like it, don't watch it. If it doesn't get enough viewers, it goes off the air, plain and simple.

I don't like a ton of shows on TV, but I don't whine on about what I don't like. Instead, I acknowledge the beautiful and FREE country we live in and thank God that we all have choices in what we want to watch.

Maybe you should do the same Brent. Remember Mary Whitehouse? Come on Brent, you don't want to live the rest of your life like that woman did. It's a shame she took her delusions to the grave.

Waffle - You miss the point!
Brent is writing these articles because his feelings are hurt. He writes these columns to educate the rest of us about the going-ons within the media and Hollywood. The point of this column isn't that NBC is breaking the law. The are free to censor and edit all their programming. But they are hypocrites for only wanting to edit or censor their 1 religious program.

I agree with you partially that I enjoy non-religious programming. But don't you find it interesting that NBC acquires 1 show with positive religious content and they are attempting to censor the religious content? Why? Why not just run the show the way it is and tell people that if they don't like it they can not watch? Thats what they do with every other show on their network.

Don't you also find it interesting how TV programming has become so smutty? Instead of showing quality shows with quality writing, its all about shock factor. Who can be the first person to flush a toilet on TV? First to have people shacking-up? First gay TV show? How about just good shows?

If NBC can have a show mocking religion without needing to censor it, why not have a show with religious content uncensored? Do you really not see the hypocricy?

**I would like to take this time to personally thank Brent for his hard work. I certainly am not going to find this information anywhere else.**

Grammer error - Doh!
First sentence should be:

Brent "isn't" writing these articles because his feelings are hurt.

Jander:
I agree with you that there is a lot of smutty and dumb programming on TV (I don't really watch TV anymore, save for "24" or "HBO's Rome", and sometimes reruns of cartoons I watched when I was a kid in the early 90s") but I do know that people have choices when it comes to what they watch, and there is nothing wrong with that. My girlfriend thinks "Laguna Beach" is the greatest show in the world, while I think it's the dumbest, but I don't go around complaining and trying to get it off the air. What you and I define as "good", the public may not neccesarily agree.

Compare NBC to a public school. Separation of Church and State forbid the advocation of any faith in the public education system. Same goes with NBC. As it is a public network, they need to do the same thing. When they brought "The Sopranos" to basic cable, they had to censor the profanity and violence that HBO allowed, just like NBC is doing to religious content. Network broadcasting has more restrictions than cable counterparts. I didn't like when they watered down "The Sopranos" nor do I like when TV broadcasters show edited films (Seeing "Goodfellas" on TBS was absolutely horrible), but instead of whining about it I either watch it on digital cable or I rent or buy it on DVD. Same thing with VeggieTales. You don't HAVE to watch it on NBC, when you know how to watch it with the religious themes you like. Personally, I like watching VeggieTales with the bible verses in them, but at the same time I know that NBC is public domain.

And I never said anything about a show on NBC mocking religion, I mentioned the one on Comedy Central.

Jander - Religious Programming
Don't worry about the grammar -- the sentence made no sense w/o the correction, so I think everyone presumed (or at least I did) that you meant to say "isn't".

I leave words out all the time. Makes me wish I could go back and edit a posting. Ah well, se la vie. ("la vee")

Quoth: "If NBC can have a show mocking religion without needing to censor it, why not have a show with religious content uncensored? Do you really not see the hypocricy?"

I'll ask again -- WHAT hypocrisy?

If NBC's marketing staff decides they can make money selling shows that mock religion, but NOT selling shows that PROMOTE religion, wouldn't you suppose that's EXACTLY what they would do?

Like it or not, the Brass at NBC has decided that religion don't sell (except sometimes on Sundays). They've decided that this particular show would SELL BETTER without religious references. SO WHAT?

It's the bottom line that counts, and that's all. They're not interested in whether you or Bozell et al are concerned over religion. Their *only* concern is making a buck.

If the Veggie Tale people get enough heartburn out of it, they should bolt at their earliest contractually available opportunity. I'm sure TBN would *love* to broadcast the show with even *more* religion in it.

You know, maybe the TV execs are wrong. It wouldn't be the first time, and it won't be the last. There's been any number of cases where the Brass interfered and brought a show to its ruin -- and any number of cases where their interference made real improvements. Producing a TV show generally is *not* going to be One Man's Vision -- it's teamwork, all the way up and down the hiearchy.

So instead of whining about the programming, well, let us return once again to that tired old cliche -- CHANGE THE CHANNEL.

Trust me on this, IT WORKS.

Waffleofdoom Makes an Interesting Point!
Quoth W.o.D.: "Compare NBC to a public school. Separation of Church and State forbid the advocation of any faith in the public education system. Same goes with NBC. As it is a public network, they need to do the same thing."

That's interesting that you put it that way.

On the one hand, people like Bozell et al complain and whine about all the "sleaze" on TV, and cry out for censorship and more government involvement. They say we can do this because it's "Public Airwaves."

But, according to this point from W.o.D., using this same "Public Airwaves" argument can PREVENT the inclusion of the type of programming the whiners WANT!

After all, like "Public Schools", they are "Public Airwaves", so we HAVE to keep religion OUT of the mix!

Ah, you gotta luvvit!

I'm sure I made predictions along the lines that giving the government the ability to censor what *you* think is sleaze would equally give them the ability to censor what you *want* on the air. I don't remember the precise details, but I'm sure somebody pooh-poohed the idea as "ridiculous." Although it's not exactly government control just yet, it would seem I might be closer to target than even I thought!

waffle is misinformed or just deceptive
"Separation of Church and State forbid the advocation of any faith in the public education system. Same goes with NBC. As it is a public network, they need to do the same thing. "


Wrong. The Constitution says nothing about keeping any religion off any medium or public property.
Here is the First amendment for your peruasal:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech"

Christian principles are not an establishment of religion. Christianity is not an establishment either, but the Catholic church IS. Not only that but a school district is not 'Congress'.

You should read up on Jefferson's speech to a BAPTIST congregation when he spoke of 'separation of church and state'. It limits the state using the church to achieve its goals, anything more is just hopeful thinking on your part.

Disagree Waffle
You said, "Compare NBC to a public school. Separation of Church and State forbid the advocation of any faith in the public education system. Same goes with NBC. As it is a public network, they need to do the same thing."

Well first, seperation of church and state isn't part of the Constitution. The establishment clause is. (This could be an entire different discussion. But the establishment clause and seperation of church and state are entirely 2 different concepts.) Second, although NBC broadcast publically, they are not forbidden legally or ethically to broadcast religious programming. So comparing the public school system, which is part of the government, to a private corporation that happens to broadcast publically isn't a valid comparision.

Now I am not suggesting that NBC should show religious programming. But if they want to show a cartoon like Veggie Tales, they should expect the religious content with it. Where is the creative license they give to the creator of Book of Daniel?

Reply to UncaAlby
The hypocricy lies in the fact that NBC will show a negative religious show like Book of Daniel, but want to sensor all the positive religious content out of a show like Veggie Tales. Or in the fact that NBC claims that they will not mess with creative license regarding smut TV, but will edit religious programming that might offend some non-religious people.

I agree with you with regards to why they do it. Its primarily about ratings and money.

But I believe that NBC is making a mistake here in addition to their hypocricy. Veggie Tales is popular because of the religious content. Removing it will make the show less appealing, IMO.

"The Language Police" is NOT LEFTIST!
Who here has actually READ Diane Ravitch's book? Because frankly I don't see how anyone who has actually read it could accuse her of using "rhetorical sleight-of-hand" to support a Leftist world view. It isn't "neutrality" she's in favor of -- it's history and literature, two subjects in which TRUTH is often sacrificed on the altar of political correctness. History and literature are at the mercy of people who are more interested in creating Utopias (even if those Utopias are only in their own heads) than in teaching young people to think, to daydream, to use their imaginations and to be curious.

When a book includes a chapter called "History: The Endless Battle" and cites numerous examples of Liberal textbook publishers whitewashing atrocities committed by the Japanese in World War II and by the Muslims in our current world, I would hardly say that the author's mission is to make the Left look good. When it unfolds an absolutely ridiculous example of "Bias and Sensitivity" Committees striking a passage entitled "The Blind Mountain Climber" from a reading test -- first, because it has the temerity to suggest that it's actually harder for a blind person to scale a mountain than it would be for a sighted person; and second, because it reflects "regional bias," in that students who don't live in mountainous areas could not hope to comprehend the passage -- I would hardly say it's part of the Leftist agenda.

Or does this accusation come because Ravitch attacks censorship from the Right as well as from the Left? Well, let's see: if your subject is the dangers of censorship, wouldn't it make sense to criticize those Rightists who would ban Grimm's Fairy Tales and Tolkien's The Hobbit as well as those Leftists who would ban The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice?

But then, as Alexander Pope wisely points out, "All is yellow to the jaundiced eye." If we're reading a book in search of reasons to be offended or to disagree with it, we're going to find those reasons. All the same, I have a hard time seeing how anyone who has actually read Ravitch's book could claim it supports the Leftist agenda. If anything, where the Literary Canon is concerned, it's quite agreeably conservative, suggesting we shouldn't be so quick to toss Shakespeare, Dickens, Twain, and Dickinson into the ash-can in favor of Sandra Cisneros, Nikki Giovanni, Gary Soto and Pat Mora. True knowledge and enhancement of imagination comes from reading the BEST stuff ever written, not the most contemporary. Help me out, please -- what's so liberal about that??

Brent is not being understood properly
I hear a lot of people like Waffle and UncaAlby accuse Brent of complaining or wanting to censor programming. Or wanting the networks to remove programming. But this is wrong. He is a media researcher and he is simply informing his readers to what happens on the backside of the media and hollywood.

I have read this column twice and I don't see anywhere where Brent advocates that programming should be removed or censored. He is critical of the amount of smut and crappola that is on TV today. I agree with him, for the most part.

Double standard, not hypocrisy
To UncaAlby, Brent's summary is correct, if mislabeled. NBC is guilty of using a double standard, not of hypocrisy.

When NBC has a show that it sees as potentially offensive to conservative viewers, it responds by saying "you can change the channel or block it with a V-chip" and "we want to protect the program's 'creative integrity'".

But when NBC has a show that it sees as potentially offensive to liberal viewers, it responds by saying "we must edit the program to remove the 'offensive' content", even if it radically impacts the core of the show.

I call this imploying a double standard. It's not illegal, but it is unethical and it's fair for Mr. Bozell to point it out.

One more thing: kindly point out where
in my previous post I gave the mistaken impression that I valued "neutrality" over "freedom." Because I just looked at it again, and I can't see anything in my old post that would have suggested I'm in favor of any kind of moral relativism.

All I meant to say is that if we hold our beliefs very strongly and firmly, then disagreement is no threat. Since I am a Christian who believes in God, an atheist's saying "There is no God" is no threat to me whatsoever; I'm secure enough in my beliefs not to be swayed by opposition. (How's that "neutral," guys?) God doesn't exist simply because we say He does, and He won't cease to exist because some people say He doesn't. Likewise, an atheist whose beliefs are strong and secure should not feel threatened in any way by the mention of God -- unless he actually thinks there might BE a God, in which case he might be brought to re-examine his position if he were confronted with opposition.

True, some opposition IS a genuine threat and should be met as such. (Example: Islamofascism.) But it seems to me that we have trouble distinguishing genuine threats from false ones: e.g. the idea that a sincere Christian might decide that Jesus was really human just from reading Brown's "The Da Vinci Code," or that exposure to Christmas carols in a school CHRISTMAS concert (NOT Holiday concert) constitutes "oppression" of those who come from non-Christian households. Are we really so desperate to be inoffensive that we stop ourselves from expressing those convictions which make us who we are? It's this "rush to be inoffensive" that comprises that "neutrality," I would say.

So please help me understand: how am I a moral relativist dedicated to "neutrality", in this post or my previous one? Because I do hate to be misunderstood.

The way I see it,
Phil Vischer is probably a trusting kind of guy who wants to get his work out to as many people as possible. Obviously, NBC didn't start the agreement this way; their "creative stranglehold" has increased over time. Probably nothing Phil can do about it. If it's allowed by the contract there's not much Phil can do about it except complain. I think, if nothing else, he'll get his product out to a wider audience through this exposure and then the subsequent increase in DVD sales. Of course every single one of us, unless one of us is Phil, is just conjecturing. As far as Brent goes, he has a point about NBC defending other programs to the hilt and then doing the edit on these before anyone has even registered a complaint. Oh, well. Probably explains why the big three aren't so big anymore. My problem, and it's not because it's a Christian show, is that they would take something that is clicking on all cylinders and mess with it. You see this all the time in the creative industries. Bands, tv shows, etc. tweak or reinvent themselves into obscurity.

Good point Dr Liberty!
I believe you are correct. NBC is using a double standard.

Jander --
Don't look at just this one article. As I've suggested before, check his archives. Check his letter-writing campaigns with the PTC.

No, not every article asks for government censorship. But that's what's behind his "Media Watchdog" charade.

Dr Liberty -- NBC Edits
You have absolutely no idea how much censorship and editing the TV networks do on any specific show. So you can not say they only edit for material in ways you find objectionable.

All you know is the kind of edits or lack thereof that Bozell et al find objectionable, and bring to your attention here on Townhall.

It's like what I've said earlier. Talk to some people with media experience. I've heard Jeff Foxforthy in an interview say he got out of the TV sitcom business because he couldn't take their meddling anymore. They took "his" show and turned it into "their" show, and lost something valuable.

I've heard this complaint from several different stars, including Dave Barry with his stint into TV sitcomdom.

That's what they do. Millions of dollars are on the line, so of course the temptation to micro-manage is overwhelming. They look at what might be too far, what might not be far enough, too much sex, not enough, etc.

You only hear about the "bad" micro-management when it gets people like Bozell et al bent out of shape.

And so then naturally, whatever actions they happen to have chosen that causes external criticism to erupt, they're going to defend them. And they'll defend those actions with whatever arguments make sense at the time. If they let something "sleazy" through, they'll defend it on their 1st Amendment rights. "Change the channel!" If they censor something "religious", they'll defend it on "protecting" the sensibilities of non-Christians. "We cater to a wider audience."

Because, unfortunately, "Shut up and mind your own dammed business" just won't work in today's over-politicized environment.

Here's the bottom line
VeggieTales is programing for kids to learn about God's goodness and how He wants us to live. That's it. That was the whole purpose for its creation. Sure, the fact that they frequently interject adult-oriented humor into the mix ("Jane, stop this crazy thing!" and, of course, the French Peas modled after the Frenchmen from the Holy Grail) makes it entertaining for children of all ages, and the lessons are sound for children of all faiths. But it's a shame that they're attempting to turn it into something it's not. This only shows that NBC isn't interested in the idea of VeggieTales, but in abusing its popularity. It's just a very sad, very low point.

UncaAlby, $, and the rest of the left
UncaAlby...the "Liberty Bell" has the word God on it; seperation of church and state; should we melt it down?

$ profit is not always the bottom line. Look at "The Chronicles of Narnia", "Lord of the Rings" and "Passion of the Christ". All block-busters all extremely profitable. Did that send a message to Holywood which was followed up on? Try "outing" yourself as a Christian in Holywood and see how far you get. Look at Kirk Cameron. You have to be a major star first if you wnat to confess Christ and stay in business.

What happened to the good old days when Rob and Laura never even slept in the same bed? The networks still made $$$$ and sold a lot of soap and cereal.

Just tried to imagine Dave and the Giant Pickle with no reference to God... a 2 minute tape that makes no sense at all. NBC knew the contents when they started courting. I'll bet a dollar to a whole in a donut that they took a tidbit here, a tad there and so on and so on just like we have allowed the immoral minority to do to this country.

correction
should have said "hole in a donut".

Rights and Lefties
Classic Media has the right to sell their property.

NBC has the right to purchase and distribute as they see fit.

Mr. Bozella has the right to complain the NBC will protect gay shows but not Christian shows and demonstrate that their hypocraisy using a double standard for "creative integrity".

We all have the right to v oice our opinions (although we should be thankful that Townhall provides us a forum).

An so millions will may be introduced to Veggie Tails, but DVDs and to to the Movies. Is that bad?

Someone somewhere will be offended.

Democratic Senators will demand Clinton approved changes.

Maybe Sandy Berger will keep the unedited versions in his pants.

cat trapper -- "Left"??
Oh I love these labels.

Sure, I suppose I'm "left". I don't believe the government belongs in my living room or in control of my television, since that appears to be the definition for being "right."

Yes, the money says "In God We Trust". So what? Is that the issue today? Are we talking about taking the separation of church and state to such extremes that pictures of crosses on Spanish Missionaries in California should be taken down?

Come on. If you're going to build a strawman to knock down, take a *little* more effort, please.

It doesn't matter whether dollar profit is the bottom line, number of Christian conversions, or number of feel good bellies rubbed. For the TV networks, the almighty dollar IS the bottom line.

It might not be the bottom line for you. So go start your own TV network and use Christian conversions as your ultimate goal. Don't matter to me.

And, like it or not, sleaze sells. And, apparently, according to NBC at least, religion don't.

I'm not saying they're correct. I'm just saying they have the right to pursue profits in the way they see fit.

Since sleaze sells, that's what they're going to produce. And we've already talked about the ultimate solution to that problem.

Once again, CHANGE THE CHANNEL.

And yes, you have the right to complain about it. And I have the right to complain about your complaining about it. And you have the right to complain about my complaining about your complaining about it.

The big difference is, I don't complain to the FCC trying to get them to shut *you* up. Bozell et al *does*.

Jander again:
Jander says "I hear a lot of people like Waffle and UncaAlby accuse Brent of complaining or wanting to censor programming. Or wanting the networks to remove programming. But this is wrong. He is a media researcher and he is simply informing his readers to what happens on the backside of the media and hollywood."

Have you ever been to the PTC's website? The very purpose of that group is, as stated in their site, to "put an end to broadcast indecency". Making strides to remove a show like Nip/Tuck and Family Guy is, no matter which word you call it, censorship.

So even if Brent doesn't say anything about censorship in this column, it still doesn't undermine what his true intentions are. If anything, Brent is the true hypocrite, but I can breathe a sigh of relief that he and his group haven't done much in the past 11 years. Brent doesn't care about the children, but rather wants to shape media culture to support his own views.

Veggie Tales and NBC
I agree that Phil most likely believed that with the power of NBC, the message could reach more people. But I hope that he does not find himself held captive here. All terms should have been clear in the contract-including what could stay and what needed to go-and if they were not, he still may be able to fight this. Veggie Tales will not be the same without the Source listed. I know that the Veggie Tales team will pray about how God wants them to proceed with this relationship and I will support them with this effort. Prayer indeed is the best weapon of all. Jules

It ain't what it seems
Having dealt, business-wise, with Big Idea in the past, I need to correct a misconception several of you have about the company.

Integrity ain't its strong suit.

Big Idea spent years and lots of money during its reign on top bullying other Christian artist's creative endeavors out of existence (or trying to) just so it could be, in Phil Vischer's words "a Top Five media company." There wasn't a whole lotta Christ-likeness in those actions, despite the platitudes Bob and Larry spouted at the end of each Tale.

Bozell's information about BI seems out of date. Vischer no longer controls the company. The reason why is because he made one too many bad, and even shady, business decisions, and also reneged on good-faith -- and even sealed --deals he had made. Don't take my word for it -- read about BI's downfall on Phil's website.

Phil is a nice guy, but he isn't stupid. When it comes to the Veggies, it's mostly about the bucks. Which is why he probably wouldn't kill the NBC deal even if he could.

It ain't what it seems
Having dealt, business-wise, with Big Idea in the past, I need to correct a misconception several of you have about the company.

Integrity ain't its strong suit.

Big Idea spent years and lots of money during its reign on top bullying other Christian artist's creative endeavors out of existence (or trying to) just so it could be, in Phil Vischer's words "a Top Five media company." There wasn't a whole lotta Christ-likeness in those actions, despite the platitudes Bob and Larry spouted at the end of each Tale.

Bozell's information about BI seems out of date. Vischer no longer controls the company. The reason why is because he made one too many bad, and even shady, business decisions, and also reneged on good-faith -- and even sealed --deals he had made. Don't take my word for it -- read about BI's downfall on Phil's website.

Phil is a nice guy, but he isn't stupid. When it comes to the Veggies, it's mostly about the bucks. Which is why he probably wouldn't kill the NBC deal even if he could.

It isn't what it seems
Having dealt, business-wise, with Big Idea in the past, I need to correct a misconception several of you have about the company.

Integrity ain't its strong suit.

Big Idea spent years and lots of money during its reign on top bullying other Christian artist's creative endeavors out of existence (or trying to) just so it could be, in Phil Vischer's words "a Top Five media company." There wasn't a whole lotta Christ-likeness in those actions, despite the platitudes Bob and Larry spouted at the end of each Tale.

Bozell's information about BI seems out of date. Vischer no longer controls the company. The reason why is because he made one too many bad, and even shady, business decisions, and also reneged on good-faith deals he had made. Don't take my word for it -- read about BI's downfall on Phil's website.

Phil is a nice guy, but he isn't stupid. When it comes to the Veggies, it's mostly about the bucks. Which is why he probably wouldn't kill the NBC deal even if he could.

Sorry for the multiple postings!
Something weird is happening at Town Hall.

Veggie Tales and NBC
I read quite a few responses about not watching NBC and people who bad mouthed hollywood for the crap they produce.
My question is, what are you doing about it? Are you still renting movies or paying for cable or satelite TV? If so then they don't care what you think because obviously your dislike for the crap they produce hasn't stopped you from supporting it.
If you really want Christian programing then try changing from cable or regular satelite and get Sky Angle. It is a Christian based satelite system.
Your actions speak louder than your words.

Comedy Central has no guts...
"Brent, in your column you condemned Comedy Central's satire of VeggieTales.

Want to know why they do it?

To see how people like you react."

Comedy Central, the same network that refuses to show Mohammed for fear of offending Muslims. Of course, the difference is that the worst thing Christians will do is complain and write letters and turn the channel where Muslims will riot and kill people.

Do you think it hilarious when Muslims are offended? I think it hilarious when people try to defend the defaming of Christ, Christians, and Christianity as "free speech", but will condemn the defaming of gays, Muslims, and other "protected classes".

I WILL change the channel, as UncaAlby loves to say, but I will also point out the double standard that is being applied.

VeggieTales Controversy
This story comes on the verge of last Monday's announcement in France that Vivendi, which is the equity partner in NBC Universal (20%), was acquiring the published music library of Bertelsmann AG, which includes many CCM artists and "modern worship" songs.

Now we see a double standard when NBC Universal is censoring content from VeggieTales while Universal acquiring the published music business of BMG, which holds the rights to Travis Cottrell, Third Day, Casting Crowns, and other numerous "praise and worship" artists. I wonder if the secularism will even strike there too, as I've seen the major secular publishers secularise "sacred" music in the church.

A shame
There are no first amendment issues here. NBC is not the government and there is no legal reason for them not to prostelytize as much as they want. There is also no free speech issue here. NBC apparently obtained the rights to the show including the right to edit.
But it is a shame that they would acqire the right to quality children's programming and then try to change what it is. Veggie Tales is about the best that there is at what they do. So even as a jewish atheist I am disappointed to hear that NBC would run them as something other than what they are.
There is nothing gained by removing the bible quote at the end. There is much lost if they edit out the references to God in the middle (with some shows it is not clear how coherent what remains would be.)

Veggie Tales and NBC
I guess I understand that it may have appeared that a door was being opened for Veggie's to be seen on NBC... however, that is obviously not the case. NBC wants to glean from Veggies success and I say that if its not too late tell them NO!

If God be for us, who can be against us? God has blessed the folks at Big Idea and has brought them this far. Mr Vischer, dont compromise!!! Be a Moses at the Red Sea or a Daniel before the Lions Den or a Joshua at Jericho... Listen to the thoughts of Mordicai... perhaps this is why you are here...

We'll be praying for you...

Liberal thoughts only!
Just one more instance where it is proven that today freedom of speech means: "You have the right to say anythng the left agrees with"

Or more pointedly in this case: "You have no right to say anything the left don't llike."

OK, VeggieTales Needs To Stand Alone!!!
VeggieTales was producing more than $50million on their own, so why go ruin a good thing just to get on TV? These products are already on TV in most of the homes with people who actually receive these messages whole-heartedly. If we know that the Bible states "satan is the lord of the earth", then you also know that although the world is a missionary-field everywhere, we should no longer expect the rest of the world to act in-line with Christian expectations & behaviors. I believe that the individual who negotiated with NBC should absolutely withdraw, before its pure message is distorted & VeggieTales will not even be recognizable anymore. Can you hear the children's conversation now..."I saw this on VeggieTales", "No, that didn't happen, this is what God said!"
This is truly saddening, but as I always say to others who get depressed about the state of our current world, "hey, I'm excited, because we are that much closer to the ending (which of course is truly the beginning) and that is something to be excited about-going to our real home, with our Lord."

Without Jesus, there's no eternal value
Jesus Christ is missing from the Veggie Tales universe. Without Jesus, the plan of salvation is never preached, and there is very little, if any, eternal value for the consumer. I think this is another of countless examples of Christians being unwilling to offend, and suffering the consequences.

I've posted an article about this on my weblog:
http://peterbeddow.blogspot.com/2006/09/veggie-tales-they-were-never-alive-to.html

Respectfully,
Peter Beddow

Capitalism
One of the reasons I love this country is because we are allowed to state what we believe whenever & wherever we choose. Big Idea is a Christian company that creates Christian products, namely VeggieTales videos.

I'm not sure if anyone here has read the Tenneasean article about this issue, but it states that Big Idea is not making money off of these TV episodes.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006609230351

Perhaps those at Big Idea welcomes this opportunity to share their friends Bob and Larry with the world. Even if Bob and Larry aren't sharing a Bible verse it seems the TV episodes still have the Bob, Larry and friends we all know and love. At least that's the approach I seem to be taking on this issue.

The spirit of God cannot be taken out of us, nor our Veggie Friends.
Hopefully those without Christ in their hearts will see the episodes and have a softening of heart towards God.

I don't know, just some food for thought.

Please NBC - Reconsider
The best ever cartoon like we used to see "davie and goliath" - remember that anyone? It's still playing. Why - just why can't NBC stand up and let this be heard. It's something that can change the next generation of kids. But instead they bow to the almighty dollar.

I challenge NBC to allow this good content to be aired on their channel and stand up for the moral ethics of this nation - the next generation of this nation.

I love veggie tales and I'm 47 years old. I want to share this with my god daughter and grandkids someday. Please NBC - please reconsider.
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