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Monday, September 29, 2008
Bill Steigerwald :: Townhall.com Columnist
No Cheers for the Bailout: Ron Paul Interview
by Bill Steigerwald
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You can't pin any blame for the country's financial meltdown on Congressman Ron Paul. The libertarian Texas Republican and former Pittsburgher has been warning for two decades about the unhappy -- and inevitable -- economic consequences of a loose monetary policy, fiscal irresponsibility and too much meddling in the marketplace by the federal government.

Not surprisingly, Rep. Paul says he is "positively opposed" to what he calls the Bush administration's "slipshod" $700 billion bailout plan. As Paul warned the House of Representatives Wednesday, "Our economy faces a bleak future, particularly if the latest $700 billion bailout plan ends up passing. We risk committing the same errors that prolonged the misery of the Great Depression, namely keeping prices from falling."

I talked to Paul by phone from Washington early Thursday evening as the Beltway political powers were still meeting and trying to agree on how to fix the problem they are largely responsible for creating.

Q: I suspect we won't hear you cheering about the bailout -- or "The Rescue" -- as they are trying to call it?

A: No way. I think that it's just going to bring more problems. You can't stop a problem of too much spending and too much deficits and too much monetary inflation with more of it. So I’m positively opposed to the bailout and believe it will just delay the correction that is required. We need to correct the imbalances and if you interfere, you just delay it and make it more difficult and make the problems worse for ourselves.

Q: Did you see President Bush’s 15-minute speech on the economic crisis Thursday night?

A: I did see part of it.

Q: Do you think he is telling the story as straight as he should be or is he glossing over some things?

A: Well, I’m sure he’s glossing over. I imagine he believes what he’s saying. But you know I was just on the (House) floor and a couple other members came over and showed me some articles and letters they’ve received. One was from a banker who’s involved with 1,500 banks in the South. He was positively opposed to the bailout. He said, “Why punish all of us when just a few people have really messed up?” Someone else came along with a chart that showed that credit has not frozen up and that there’s as much credit available in the last couple weeks as there was in the last six months. So that means the (bailout supporters) are working on some propaganda to sort of frighten members of Congress into voting for it. If you don’t vote for it, and there’s a problem, then you’re going to be blamed for it.

Q: Is this truly a national crisis? So many of national crises really are regionalized or localized problems.

A: I think of it as a crisis. I've been talking about it for a long time and have said we will have a financial disruption and an attack on the dollar. But I think the way they are talking is that if you don't pass it this weekend then by Monday the market might go down 10,000 points. I think it's not that type of crisis, but I think it's very significant that if we continue our ways we'll eventually destroy the dollar. Yet what they are doing is bringing that on because they are doing the wrong thing.

Q: You pin most of the blame for this crisis on government.

A: Oh yeah. More specifically, the Federal Reserve. (It's) responsible for the booms and the busts. You can't have this type of a boom cycle without a Federal Reserve and a central bank and it can be bounded with other parts of the government. Legislation might push an excessive amount of money into certain areas in addition to the easy-money system, and that's what I think happened. There were these affirmative action programs where banks were literally encouraged or told they had to make bad loans. The Community Reinvestment Act tells them they can be fined a lot of money for denying loans that are risky. It's sort of ironic.

And if one looks at the total problem of inflation, in which prices go up because of the increases in the money supply, certain areas go up much faster than others. So medical care and education and houses went up much faster but then there has to be corrections. They get out of whack and these prices have to come down. So we see the correction and the sooner you get the prices down, the better it is for everybody.

Q: From what I understand the major problem goes back to housing, housing, housing. Home prices were inflated and now the bubble has burst and you argue that prices should be allowed to fall to whatever their real level should be and not be propped up by a federal bailout.

A: That's right, and I accuse (Federal Reserve Chairman Ben) Bernanke of being a price-fixer. He wants to buy these illiquid assets and keep the price up and they may be worthless. So they want you to limit your thinking to the immediate problem -- the downturn in the housing market. But they don't want to talk about who caused the upturn and the excesses in the housing market -- and that was government. They don't talk about the cause. They just say, "We're here now. What are we going to do about it?" In medicine, you can't really treat a disease very well if you don't know the exact cause.

Q: The $700 billion figure. If you multiply roughly 3 million homes in foreclosure by $100,000 -- assuming they are underwater on their mortgages by an average of $100,000 -- that's "only" $300 billion.

A: So where's all this money going, huh?

Q: Yes.

A: Propping up derivatives; that's the scam. It's the so-called "illiquid assets." I think that's a misnomer. I think it's "worthless assets" that are being bought up so some of these big guys don't get wiped out.

Q: You say a $700 billion bailout is only a temporary fix.

A: Yeah, it is. If you come to the conclusion that you have to liquidate debt, the faster you get it over with the sooner the economy goes back to work. So they're propping up the prices artificially on houses and at the same time they are saying, "How can we stimulate housing growth?" Well, there are too many houses. You want the supply and demand of houses to adjust, so you let the prices of houses come down and let the houses get in the hands of people who really want them and can afford them and you quit building houses for a while.

So, yeah, you have a booming economy when you deceive the people and you stimulate the economy with easy credit. But you've got to make up for it eventually, and that's the part that nobody likes. We have prevented any attempt at correction essentially over the past 20 years. So we have a bigger bubble than ever before, which means we'll have a bigger correction than ever before. So the only question is, should it be a short, tough correction or a very long, tough correction?

Q: What is your solution for avoiding this kind of sudden national emergency?

A: You need to allow a liquidation of debt, which means bankruptcies. You should treat it like Lehman Brothers -- let them go broke and the good assets will be bought up. But you should restore confidence and encourage business activity. It isn't a lack of regulation that was the problem, it was the lack of the market being allowed to work.

We don't need more Sarbanes-Oxley (financial reporting) regulations like those that came out of Enron. But we should assure the markets that we are going to live within our means. I think the federal budget ought to be balanced. You could do that rather quickly by changing our foreign policy. But people aren't quite willing to give up the welfare-warfare state. But if you did that, things could come back very quickly.

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Bill Steigerwald, born and raised in Pittsburgh, is a former L.A. Times copy editor and free-lancer who also worked as a docudrama researcher for CBS-TV in Hollywood before becoming a reporter for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and a columnist Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Bill Steigerwald recently retired from daily newspaper journalism..
 
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Support the Compromise
There is no doubt that the plan is not perfect, but we cannot gamble the future of our economy.

Please call your representatives and urge them to support the compromise plan.

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Wachovia too?
If this is a problem the market can resolve by letting these companies sit on their bad business practices, why is it that so many larger insurance/banking companies are failing as well? This indicates the problem might be larger than local, and something must be done to intervene. If it weren't for these other bank failures, I'd be completely for letting the market go its way without a bailout. Wall Street is not the only place where greed rears its ugly head. Where is the common sense that dictates you don't lend money to someone who obviously can't afford to pay it back, even if Congress encourages you to do so. That's bad business!

Ron Paul is Correct
Great interview! Excellent responses to each question with an accurate answer for each. The Wall Street and Barney Beranke (Federal Reserve)did the damage and they can unfix it without taxpayer money.

Barack Obama - "on the take" from Barney Frank’s Fannie and Freddie! Christopher Dodd - $165,400, Barack Obama - $126,349, John Kerry - $111,000.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-a nd-freddie.html

The cards are dealt for John McCain. All he has to do is have the guts to do what he didn't have the courage to do in the debate: Play the hand. Make Wall Street PAY! http://www.newsmax.com/morris/mccain_against_bailout/2008/ 09/29/135431.html

Sarah’s friends at: America Deserves Better PAC presents OBAMA at his best AD! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6-K7JwwV0U

This is why all Americans should vote the McCain/Palin ticket. Abolish the Democrats like they abolish babies! http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redhot/#rs_p_4489

Let the Market Adjust Itself
Every time the government tries to adjust the market, it gets it's hands slapped. Price fixing, over regulation, easy credit, the Central Bank printing excessive money all have failed. The only long term fix is the market adjustment. Ron is right once again. You don't fix 40 years of manipulation overnight. This one is going to hurt.

To my fellow conservatives:
I'll bet that you're surely proud of all the feces you flung at Ron Paul and the libertarian-Republicans during the primary season -- now that it turns out he was RIGHT and you were DISASTROUSLY WRONG.

Ron Paul is right again
How many times does this man have to be right about economic matters before the rest of the GOP notices?

Globalism is a disaster
I hate Ron Paul, and didn't come here to talk about him.

I came here to voice my problems with Globalism. Because we have allowed the Multinationalists to tear down the boundaries between countries as much as possible, we see the problem that results.

When the United States economy tanks, so does the economy in the rest of the world.

This problem is not only an issue for the economy, but with every thing else. The more we drift toward a one world government, the more that there will be no place to run.

What if the economy tanks and a dictatorship (either left or right) takes over? Right now, there are still countries we can run to. But what if ALL the boundaries were gone, and we were at the mercy of a one-world system? And what if a dictatorship took over then? Where could we run?

This is an object lesson, and we need to take note, or we will continue to drift into a situation we will regret.

RW- even a stopped watch is right twice
a day.

I would NEVER vote for Cut-N-Run Ron.

Reject the compromise
And let Wall Street eat cake

Ron Paul has been right
Mountain Rose writes:- 4:06 PM EST
RW- even a stopped watch is right twice
a day.
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ts:
For 24/7 the last 20-25 years.
You have been wrong about him 24/7 the last few years.

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Mountain Rose writes
I would NEVER vote for Cut-N-Run Ron.
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ts:
A stupid judgment of what his actual position is.

You no more understand his position on Iraq than you do the banking system

He's got it right on
Too bad so many big government addicts won't listen to him or will just shoo him and others like him away so they continue destroying our economy.

I have to agree with Ron Paul
on this issue. All the financial gurus and economic experts I've heard say we can either have pain that is short and very painful or we can prolong the somewhat lesser degree of pain over a longer period of time. Kind of like taking off a band-aid...do you rip it off and have the pain short-lived or do you ease up the edges and "gently" try to remove it, actually causing more pain? I also like Dave Ramsey's idea of getting an insurance plan in place to bolster the mortgage market. We, the taxpayers could agree to "loan" the companies money to purchase the insurance on these bad loans and that should clear up the mess on their books, all the while, we aren't stuck with worthless collateral.


RP
absolutely correct on this!

Let it go
Funny political doublespeak:

GEORGE BUSH REPUBLICAN offers a plan. NANCY PELOSI DEMOCRAT agrees to a similar plan. REPUBLICAN do not like the plan but DEMOCRAT NANCY PELOSI whines about REPUBLICANS not liking her DEMOCRATIC plan that is actually a REPUBLIAN plan.

Translation: America is sick and tired of Democratic politics AND George Bush.

Calling Barney Frank
Barney Frank a few years ago very explicity prevented action when certain Members of Congress warned of the pending disaster. Having the Congressman fix the problem he helped create is like giving a firehose to an arsonist and telling him to put out the fire he started. Barney created a massive hosejob on the U.S. public.

Barney Frank must resign as house chair
you don't put the bank robber in charge of fixing the bank's security. Why no reporters or republicans pointed out this fact is beyond me ( are you listening John McCain???)

Keith
If you feel the need is so dire, then run a collection plate around the country and donate your way out of this "crisis".

No bailout, we've done it too much already, and the goverement is gaining control of way to much for my liking. Save wall street on your own dime bubba.

Is Dr. Ron Paul Smartest House Member?
I wouldn't bet against him. He knows that the government is the WORST place to look for answers to economic problems. He knows how absolutely corrupt our political elites are. Washington DC: highest per capita incomes in the world - largest government in the world. Most overinflated real estate prices in the US - outside of Nancy Pelosi's, Maxine Waters, and Barney Franks' districts. Coincidence? No way.

Paul is right and wrong
McCain also warned for years about Fannie and Freddie--he even got legislation out of committee in 05 but it was killed on the floor by Obama, Clinton, Kennedy, and Kerry, who all talked against it.

Barney Frank and Chuck Rangel didn't want to hear it in Cong.

Someone has to be a grown up and say the party is over.

It has nothing to do with Bush. He didn't invent Fannie and Freddie, he didn't invent the Comm. Redevel. Acts. he didn't set Fed. policy tnat kept inflation too low too long, and the pres. does not run the stock market.

He cut taxes after 9/11 and gave the US five boom years of low inflation, low interst, low unemployment, and lowered taxes. After the Clintons left the White House on the dot-com collaspe that lost $15 trillion in 98-99 and the Twin Towers we were on the road for real recession, which Bush stopped.

The banking laws aren't Rep. They're all Dem. The Dems. just exist to tax and oppress all business to death, exactly what the Big O promises. You elect him and you'll see you won't have the electricity to run your computer to moan and grown on TH.

Agree & disagree
Agree that the CRA and all the rats who supported and pushed it are responsible.

Haven't seen any evidence of culpability on the part of the Federal Reserve Bank. Also know it to be a favorite target for demagoguery by the libertarian party. Does the writer have any evidence that the fed has been involved in pushing sub-prime mortgages?

From what I've seen over the last 30 years or so, it looks like the fed has done a good job of stabilizing the money supply despite constant pressure from political sources to do otherwise. They are why we have gone from double-digit inflation of the late 1970's (when the policy was to flood the system with money to stabilize short term interest rates) to years and years of continuous inflation below 5% (following the policy of modest sustained growth in the money supply).

I actually consider myself close to a libertarian. But, there are a couple points where they completely lose me: defense is one, and belief in complete laissez-faire economics is the other.

He's honest doc
doctorfixit writes:
Is Dr. Ron Paul Smartest House Member?
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Nothing in existence in this universe is any smarter than honesty, nothing.

He is down to earth honest, and that is as smart as its ever going to get

Obviously nounderstanding fiat paper
mariner2 writes:

Haven't seen any evidence of culpability on the part of the Federal Reserve Bank.
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Is your problem

Root of Evil
OUR FOREIGN POLICY

(On this point, as well as spiritual matters, Ahmadinejad was correct--in his remarkable speech at the UN.)

Another great example
That America is still ruled by the people, is the failure of the compromise "bailout" bill. Oh sure there may be something that passes soon but due to public pressure and principled Republicans in congress this bill is done.

As to Ron Paul being the smartest congressman, I dont know about that it seems he was joined in protest against this bill by several other Republicans. Happy to have the man as part of the Republican Party, but for leadership position such as President, dont think so it wasn't anyone flinging mud on the man but his own website that made it clear to me that for some policies he and I are like minded but for foriegn policy his position although stated as in line with our founders has yet to be shown to me to have ever existed as good policy for this nation.

Gets It Right On This
Ron Paul is absolutely correct on domestic finance. This crisis is just one more step for me to vote libertarian in the future.

I'm all for Palin this election (not so much for McCain; but absolutely for Palin). But if I get burned on this vote like I have previously, I can't see myself voting Republican for many years to come in the presidential elections.

Jack #24
"(On this point, as well as spiritual matters, Ahmadinejad was correct--in his remarkable speech at the UN.)"

Ahmadinejad is a death worshiper.

If You Agree with Ron Paul....
If you agree with Rep, Ron Paul, then vote for the presidential candidate he has endorsed!

Dr. Chuck Baldwin, Constitution party candidate, campaigned for Dr. Paul before he lost the Republican nomination to McCain. Read Baldwin's comments and see if you do not agree with both Baldwin and Paul:
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20080926.ht ml

Wen the People need to send a message - and voting for either major party candidate will not get our control back of what is supposed to be a Constitutional government! It is a form of insanity to....

mariner - Do your have any idea...?
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...of what it is that the Federal Reserve System actually does with regard to the issue of currency?

Amazingly, mariner writes:

"From what I've seen over the last 30 years or so, it looks like the fed has done a good job of stabilizing the money supply despite constant pressure from political sources to do otherwise. They are why we have gone from double-digit inflation of the late 1970's (when the policy was to flood the system with money to stabilize short term interest rates) to years and years of continuous inflation below 5% (following the policy of modest sustained growth in the money supply)."


So we've had "modest sustained growth in the money supply" over the past ten and twenty years, have we?


Son, the Fed *STOPPED REPORTING THE MONEY SUPPLY* a few years ago.


D'you know what that means?

It means that the Federal Reserve was no longer willing to publicly admit how rapidly they were ratcheting up the issue of counterfeit currency.

See http://tinyurl.com/49emgo for an explanation of what is called the "True Money Supply" and take a look at the graph on that Web page.

Then please come back with your blithe contention that "the fed has done a good job of stabilizing the money supply."




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"Government is the only institution that can take a perfectly good piece of paper, print some noble words on it, and make it perfectly worthless."

-- Ludwig von Mises

Ron Paul gets it
mariner

“Haven't seen any evidence of culpability on the part of the Federal Reserve Bank.”

Neither do most Americans; the fed is effective at deflecting responsibility, mainly due to no one understanding what it is that they actually do and how it affects them. They are not directly responsible but the concept of how the US creates money is an indirect cause for all economic booms and busts including this one.

I would direct you to this video in order that you have a better understanding on how our monetary system works. ( I don't agree with the videos solution to the problem but the explanation is correct.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-905047436258345127 9

The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) is one of the direct cause for this situation, but what needs to be looked at is where is all this money coming from that the banks have to lend out to poor people? We are talking about trillions of dollars.
In other words, if the money was not there to lend, no problem would exist.

What we have in America a is an attempt to have a socialistic-free market system with bills like the modified CRA, the Fed etc. and history has show us that anytime someone tries to play god with managing the economy it doesn't work out. I cannot find one example in history where it has a sustainable effect.


Face it - America is Broke!
And yes, unlike all the politicians today, it is the right time to point fingers now!

We are still paying for our extravagant folly of electing Jimmy Carter. Two glaring examples being Iran and the current welfare housing debacle.
Every people do have the government they deserve. That includes us.

Our four greatest industries are either broke or well on the way :

A) Healthcare - Trial lawyers and frivolous lawsuits have made health insurance so expensive that hardly anyone, private or business can afford it anymore.

B) Housing - The overbuilding during our fraudulent welfare housing "boom" will take 20 years to normalize again, if ever.

C) Financial Services - New York, once the world's financial capital, has totally lost credibility, Financial services on a global level are being diluted to Hong Kong, Tokyo, London, Zurich and other centers.

D) Agriculture - It's still productive but under imense pressure of excessive regulations and high taxes. In spite of protectionist barriers and anti-free market subsidies in America, Brazil, with a truly free market agriculture, is quickly surpassing America both in production and global competitiveness. Soon we might be dependent on imported foods in addition to oil.

Conclusion - looks like we are headed in the same direction as "Progressive" California : Bankrupcy - financially, economically, morally and spiritually with a credit rating equall to that of Bolivia!

I Thought Ron Paul was a 'kook...'
...according to the majority of Townhall coulmnists, during the primary season, now they ask his opinion? Funny how things change...

Listen to this:
" You need to allow a liquidation of debt, which means bankruptcies"

Finally a politician who doesn't tell people what they want to hear. I'm sick of hearing people in Washington tells us we can get something for nothing.

TH columnists...
...are not especially smart. TH readers are not especially smart either.

When a columnist writes something a reader already believes he/she tends to ascribe a sagacity to the author that is entirely undeserved. Five stars for the author that trips over an acceptable truth once in a while. One or no stars for the author that points out an unacceptable truth.

Many of the posters on TH show more basic understanding of the issues, more often than any of the columnists, with the exception of Williams and Sowell.

speak for yourself
CHRIS CUOMO ABC NEWS: "A little surprising for you to hear the Democrats saying, "This came out of nowhere, this is all about the Republicans. We had nothing to do with this." Nancy Pelosi saying it. She signed the '99 Gramm Bill. She knew what was going on with the SEC. They're all sophisticated people. Is that playing politics in this situation?"

BILL CLINTON (Yes, THAT Bill Clinton): "Well, maybe everybody does that a little bit. I think the responsibility the Democrats may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie mac."

Google ABC News, Bill Clinton, Financial Crisis

Politicians
Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and ALL THOSE politicians who had their fingers in this mess MUST RESIGN. Politicians are rarely called to account - it is now time for accountability in Congress - that includes the worst speaker of the house this country has ever had, Nancy Pelosi and in the Senate, Harry Reid. These people are part and parcel of what is wrong - not only the financial debacle, but our current dependency on oil. So the traitors have decided we can drill - 50 miles off our coasts - except there is no oil there. Let's demand NO BAILOUT WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY - drilling for oil would put more people back to work...lets stop supporting ILLEGAL immigrants - who are also part of the housing mess when Wachovia bank and the Bank of America granted illlegals home loans! They deserve to go bankrupt -

Vito - The difference between...
--
..."Republican" and "conservative" is becoming clearer and clearer, isn't it?

I'm one of those individuals who discovered that the real political quality of American conservatism is no longer to be (if it ever had justification to have been) conflated with the actual operating policies and priorities of the Republican Party.

Back in the Carter Administration (particularly during the Summer of 1980, when the Open Market Committee was monthly increasing the money supply at a rate which, if annualized, would have amounted to more than a *TWENTY PERCENT INCREASE* in the M3 for the year), I realized that I was "politically homeless."

The National Socialist Party (why does anybody keep calling them "Democrats," anyway?) was locked into the New Deal atrocities of FDR and the odious extensions of LBJ, and the Republicans had given us nothing but Nixon.

(( And if you think Nixon wasn't a socialist sonofabitch, who the hell d'you think gave us "I'm closing the gold window" as a last-minute afterthought in one of his press conferences in 1971, stepping away from the podium to avoid questions immediately thereafter? ))

So in 1980, I gave up all pretense of looking for anything in the "mainstream" and recognized the fact that the only place for an honest-to-Hayek supporter of the U.S. Constitution was in libertarianism.




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Lone Watie: "We thought about it for a long time, 'Endeavor to persevere.' And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union."

-- Phil Kaufman, Sonia Chernus (screenplay)
*The Outlaw Josey Wales* (1976)

Go ahead...
Tell me Ron Paul was wrong.
Tell me Ron Paul is a kook.

Now who is wrong and who looks kooky?



Financial Doctors
Wrote this on my blog a few days ago...

A young man by the name of Edward Connemmy decided it was best to begin regular check ups for the sake of his health. He opted for the newest health clinic to open. Every patient, when they had a problem, had their case evaluated by 12 doctors. Edward Connemmy was very physically fit. He jogged and lifted weights everyday. Edward had one weakness though, he was a heroin addict.

When Edward went in for his checkups, 11 of the doctors insisted he was healthy. Dr. Paul Donald however insisted that the patients outer-strength hid a growing weakness. Dr. Donald claimed that the heroin that the patient was taking was doing more harm then the good of his constant working out and that some day the heroin would take its toll on him. The other doctors dismissed him. He was known for his eccentric opinions. The other doctors dealt with him because the Board of Directors insisted he be part of the clinic.

As time went on, Edward occasionally had some issues. On a few separate occasions, he had trouble shaking some common colds. The doctors would put him on physical therapy and give him morphine to cope with his withdrawal symptoms. Edward would recover and head back out to his normal working out and heroin use. in each case, Dr. Donald insisted it was a symptom of a much worse underlying health problem related to his addiction.

After a relatively healthy period for Edward, he was found one day in his apartment unconcious from an overdose. When he was brought to the clinic, the doctors discovered that Edward's heart was failing. They treated him for hours and brought to a serious but stable condition. His stability gave them a chance to figure out the underlying cause of his condition. It was found that the constant heroin use had hurt his body pretty severely.

In the meeting that followed, the doctors acknowledged that Dr. Donald was right. They then proceeded to ignore him on treatment suggestions, since he was eccentric.

Too little, too late
Ah republicans. Good to see you're still riding the short bus. I'm taking my toys and going to play with more intelligent people.

Oh yeah, about Ron Paul; I told you so.

Moonkeeper - Er, that's not how opiates
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...work to injure the human physiology, kid.

Except for exposure to adventitious toxins and infectious materials associated with the use of criminally-produced and sold compounds -

(( Didja know that once upon a time, Heroin was a trademarked product of Bayer's pharmaceuticals division? ))

- there's no particular cardiac pathology associated with the long-term administration of opioid agonists within the constraints of established safe dosing levels.

One of the many sensible arguments for ending the "War on (Some) Drugs" and decriminalizing the provision of these psychoactive substances to the "recreational use" schmucks (and especially those who have become dependent upon said substances) is to regularize purity in those supplies and thereby foreclose the great majority of the medical pathologies we see associated with the abuse of these chemicals.

By the way, the analogy to Dr. Paul for which you really should be looking is found in the story of another obstetrician.

Name of Ignaz Semmelweis

(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis ).

He was condemned as a "kook," too.

I think that one of the reasons why Ron Paul doesn't give a greasy goddam about how many head-wedged members of the Republican Party squeal and writhe and scream about how he should be shut up and locked away is because that for an OB/GYN guy like Dr. Paul, Semmelweis is something of a saint.

Dr. Paul knows he's right, just as Semmelweis was right.

And whether people want to hear it or not, it's the duty of any physician who knows he's in the right to put it out there come hell or high water.


Hey, let's try something in the way of a reform for Congress.

All the lawyers resign and leave their seats to us doctors.

Couldn't be any worse, could it?

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SJ Doc: Semmelweis = good read
"Name of Ignaz Semmelweis"

I just followed your suggestion and read it. Definitely closer to the analogy I was going for. Very tragic figure. Nice to see him recognized in the modern day.

I probably should have used steroids in the story instead of heroin since it would fit in with the "physical therapy" aspect of it (could steroids have caused heart failure or should I use a different cause of death as well?).

Also, I'm assuming "SJ" is South Jersey? I live right on the border of Burlington and Camden County. Where are you around?

Let Em Fail
Ron Paul is absolutely correct. We take it on the chin now or we get absolutely obliterated later. Why the vast discrepancy between the amount of bad mortgages and the requested "bailout" amount? Puhhhleease!

When will McCain show the backbone he claims, and for which I truly hope, and stand up to the folks trying to take the American people to the cleaners?!?

a GREAT video about the crisis


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

This youtube takes a few minutes to watch, but it shows really WHY we are in this financial crisis, which was substantially caused by the left/'Crats... I urge you to WATCH IT, PASS IT ALONG, and POST IT ANYWHERE where cognitive people might be interested in understanding the mess.

The video has links and reference sources to build its case. Speaking as a banker of 25 years who was asked to deal for a time with problem assets, I can attest that the banks were effectively compelled to make marginal to poor mortgage loans under the guise of government backing. We all knew that CRA type lending was a ticking time bomb.

The video shows how a flawed social engineering theory resulted in a massive housing bubble, which inexorably had to burst eventually, exposing the fatally flawed lending mistakes engendered by government leftists, first beginning under Jimma' Carter, but made far worse under Slick Willie Clinton.

It was not first and foremost (or even primarily) the marketplace which failed here... it was, once again, social engineering theory and government fiat... but "greed and graft in the marketplace" will wear the collar. This is not, however, to exonerate the thieves packaging mortgages (MBS's) on Wall Street. They are the same morally-bereft, vulture types who were there for the LBO and "dot.com" ripoffs... this time it is MBS's and derivatives.


I will say this-- IF the government bailout does not overprice the "assets," we COULD actually come out whole. We did on the Chrysler bailout, and even when we bailed out Mexico, which paid us back early and at a premium-- probably with some of the oil or drug $ we send them! We even came out surprisingly well on the massive S&L bailout following Reagan's ill-fated and ill-advised deregulation of thrifts (S&L's).

too bad Ron Paul tlaks over other heads
I was a senior level banker for 25 years and now teach business/econ at a college... I agree with much of what Ron Paul says... it is a shame that he seemed shrill in those debates, but then the establishment (libs and RINOS) killed his chances of really being heard, and his substantially solid logic is over the heads of most.

This crisis WAS engendered by lib govt. social engineering (see youtube I posted just below). When you pierce the veil of all of the BS, you CANNOT make $1 TRILLION of mortgages to people who do not pay rent on time!

It has simply been part of the ongoing social-engineering wealth redistribution attempt (embodied by Hussein Obambi) by the PC/leftist ilk. Some of the bad paper is to ILLEGAL aliens whom they also embrace and will have voting all too soon-- along with the dead and the imprisoned (motor voter and absentee ballot scams).

Lucky
"When will McCain show the backbone he claims, and for which I truly hope, and stand up to the folks trying to take the American people to the cleaners?!?"

When hell freezes over and pigs begin to fly, that's when. If he didn't serve the masters, he wouldn't still be running. Plain and simple.

Don't waste your time hoping McCain (or Obama) are going to do a god-damned thing that is good for you and I AND America.

I will confess....
...I have not been much of a fan of Ron Paul. But I will have to admit that I believe he is basically right on this one. The others would just roll the snowball a little further down the hill each time as it gets bigger and bigger. At some point it has to be dealt with. Hopefully sooner rather than later. The bailout is a delay, not a fix.

It Is Un-American To Stay Ignorant
Thank Goodness this bill was voted down.

America Dodged The Bullet.

I read the draft of the bill. A look at the structure of money allocated and oversight is reprehensible. The proposal was the same as the first Paulson proposal only with more middle men and greater length and complexity of language.

A summary of the bill:

Treasury gets the money, writes the rules, decides who it wants to bailout (Vague implications of bailing out foreign companies as well), Allowed to set their own premiums, Allowed to pay full price originally paid for assets insured, Financial Stability Oversight Board are the same people who get to write the rules (consists of appointments and members who helped create the problem), Congress gets reports but no say, congress has to Agree to deny more funding (just like congress gets their pay raises), and other fundamental flaws.

This is The Fox Guarding The Hen House In All Respects.


If this passes in any similar form, the debt will be so increased that we will not be able to pay the interest during the coming downturn and American Currency And Bonds Will Become Worthless.

At least with the Savings And Loan bailout the RTC took over TANGIBLE ASSETS. They are proposing for this bailout giving CASH FOR TRASH. No one is going to repurchase the worthless paper created by the “Financial Engineering” after the government buys it.
Save America; Do Not Support The Bailout.

Liz & Keith
Keith, I stopped listening to anything said by the Chamber of Commerce when it became a mouthpiece for La Raza and amnesty.

Liz, Wachovia has a great deal of worthless mortgage debt on its balance sheet, too, courtesy of its 2006 acquisition of Golden West Financial. The banks and insurance companies who are in real trouble got themselves into it.

Why should we bail them out while smaller businesses are allowed to fail? Is it because the big firms have the right lobbyists and connections in Washington?

We're now 24 hours after the bailout failure and the sky has not fallen.

agree in principle here

re:
"To over-state the metaphor: If your boat is taking on water, and you are opposed, in ideological grounds, to bailing it out, it will sink and you will drown."

The govt. CAUSED this mess, and the mess is REAL. We CAN come out whole with an INTELLIGENT bailout. We cannot long endure, however, with the markets in a lurch. When banks like 4th largest Wachovia are cratering due to bad home mortgages alone, it speaks volumes.

The good news? ALL of these mortgages have SOME value, and many need not result in ANY loss, provided that the properties are not liquidated in a panic mode. Further, we need to correct the government's attempt at social engineering-- NO MORE mortgages to those who do not even pay rent on time!

Great interview
As Chuck Norris wrote in his excellent piece: "We've got to get back to that form of patriotism -- one that is based upon the Constitution, not congressional corruption, and elects people for their character, not their charisma."

Ron Paul may not have charisma, but he certainly has character and devotion to the Constitution. Maybe we deserve Obama and McCain.

Yes, Paul is right.
But that doesn't matter to the ignorant masses that will continue to vote for these phony Republicrats. Vote for Obama...vote for McCain it doesn't matter. In my humble opinion either one of those are the real throwing away of a vote. Your basically saying you want to continue the status quo. Two parties with different rhetoric, but very similar actions.

To TH. It a little too late to start acknowledging Dr. Paul at this point. He's the isolationist kook, remember? Republicans wanted McCain, know you got him. He's your leader now. When Obamessiah wins the election, think about who is the fool.

Ron Paul Interview
Ron Paul for President!
My view is government has been the enabler of this crisis but the actual do-ers of the dirty deeds and the unbridled greed is the financial industry. Those are the vey same criminals (enabling government types, like Franks and Dodd, included) who are trying to "rescue" the economy from tanking. Hello!?! What kinds of idiots do they think we are!?! No bailout!!!
It will take slow, deliberate action with plenty of light shed in the dark cave that is the financial industry and its sidekick: government. Let the economy convulse but get to the bottom of this!

Renny:
"McCain also warned for years about Fannie and Freddie--he even got legislation out of committee in 05 but it was killed on the floor by Obama, Clinton, Kennedy, and Kerry, who all talked against it."

Since Republicans controlled both houses at that time I'd like to know how the Democrats killed this. Warning about something and actually pushing a bill to correct it are two different things. Had Bush and Congress really pushed this reform back then it would've happened.
Face it, neither party has been particularly interested in ending the gravy train. Each just hoped it wouldn't end on their watch.

Let's get one thing straight...
"Does the writer have any evidence that the fed has been involved in pushing sub-prime mortgages?"

I do, and if you didn't have your head stuck up your rear for the last 5 years you would already know that Greenspan himself praised ARM loans back in 2004. It took me less than 30 seconds to find the evidence you asked for.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_15/b3878093 _mz020.htm


By the way, I have written about this on Financial Sense, which is a website that many of you townhalltards should spend more time at.

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2008/0929c.htm l

The main points I make is that this current "crisis" that the government is hysterically promoting is way overrated.

Financial firms are not our whole economy, and a credit crunch isn't the end of the freaking world.

However, the stability of our currency IS our whole economy, and that stability is exactly what this stupid plan is putting at risk.

Where were the shortages
Aidan is spot on.

The CRA is comparable to rent-control. The result of rent-control is always shortages in available quality apartments. The government basically fixed the interest rate that you could set for high-risk loans. If capital were scarce, then mortgage lending would have virtually disappeared. Existing capital would have been spent elsewhere where reasonable interest rates could be charged.

Fiat capital, however, is not scarce. The Fed made fiat capital available in inexhaustible amounts to any bank that was willing to pay the fee. Because fiat capital is not scarce, the number of bad loans that could be made were infinite. The CRA and the guarantees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are at fault for the SCOPE of the problem. But ultimately the problem would have had a natural ceiling if banks were forced to work with REAL capital instead of FIAT capital created by the Federal Reserve.

FED
For a great explanation of how the FED really operates, Google "Billions for Bankers" and read what comes up. You will see just why we are in this mess.

The man is intelligent . . .
but too bad he's followed around by too many goofballs. If Dr. Paul would work a little more on his bedside manner, I think he could be more effective as a leader more people could get behind. It's not so much that he's not right, because he seems to be in many areas. He needs to treat the patient without threatening to remove all the vital organs in one surgical procedure.

Gregdn

Renny's just regurgitating what Hannity and Rush tell him.
Thank God Dr. Paul cured me of my addiction to those self-serving blowhards.

Just for the Record
Ron Paul, a former Libertarian Party Presidential candidate and fellow staunch Constitutionalist, has endorsed Constitution Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin, for President in 2008. Ron Paul is a true patriot who follows the Founding Fathers Constitution. It's a shame that most so-called "Conservatives" like Sean Insanity and Rush Bimbo and most of the GOP haven't a clue what these Constitutional principles really are.
The Constitution when followed is a remarkable document, but when we stray, we PAY! One day, America will wake up from the madness, but until then we suffer for our ignorance of history and the wisdom of our Founding Forefathers of Democracy! When we refuse to listen to the voice of reason and the voices of our fathers in a sea of warfare-welfare-Corporate Welfare(Socialism) fools, we have opened the door to our own destruction.

Chuck Baldwin's VP, Darrell Castle...
This guy sums up the Wall Street Socialism Debacle quite nicely, AND HE ACTUALLY OFFERS SOLUTIONS...


http://www.constitutionparty.com/news.php?aid=781
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