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Monday, June 02, 2008
Bill Steigerwald :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Bankruptcy of Mass Transit
by Bill Steigerwald
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Unfortunately, the Port Authority of Allegheny County – Pittsburgh’s government mass-transit bus and rail monopoly -- is a typical example of how far the American mass-transit model has devolved after 40-plus years of horrid management, easy federal money and the unconditional support of local and national politicians. To find out if cities elsewhere have found a better way of providing bus and rail service for their people, I recently called our favorite international transit guru and public policy consultant Wendell Cox (www.demographia.com) at his office in southern Illinois near St. Louis.

Q: What's the best mass-transit system in the world?

A: Tokyo. The system is largely commuter rail. There are 10 large, private, profitable commuter rail systems. There are two largely profitable subway systems in the city of Tokyo -- when I say Tokyo, I'm talking about 35 million people stretched over about 3,000 square miles -- one and half times the size of Los Angeles. So I'm not just talking about the city of Tokyo. But in this whole area, transit is profitable. Two big subways in Tokyo actually cover all their operating costs as well as almost all of their capital costs. If you think of the Port Authority, it's lucky if it is covering 30 percent of its operating costs. In Tokyo the commuter rail service is private, they earn strong profits, and they pay for their capital costs and their expansion. Over all the major systems that account for more than 90 percent of the ridership are profitable.

Q: Why?

A: It’s not because they came in later and said, “Oh, we need to build these rail systems.” After World War II, obviously Japan was wiped out, as the cities expanded. Tokyo in 1940 probably had 5 million people; today we have 35 million. While we all know that Japan is losing population, the growth of the Japanese urban areas in the 1960s and 1970s was something to behold. What happened as they grew, these private railroads -- not public railroads; there was not an ounce of public planning here, by the way -- expanded their systems.

You have a situation now where, believe it or not, 60 to 65 percent of the movement of people in the Tokyo area and the Osaka area is by transit -- a stunning figure. When you figure that in the Pittsburgh area the number is less than 2 percent. By the way, it only exceeds 4 percent in the U.S.A. in New York, which is 9 percent.

Another thing helped them as well -- World War II.  A lot of people don’t realize that Japanese GDP in 1950, adjusted for inflation, was under $3,000. It was at Third World rates. Japan, first of all, was not rich before World War II, which a lot of people don’t realize; and secondly, after the war it had been devastated. In the process Japan has become one of the five richest large countries in the world. But in this country, by 1930, there were .75 cars per household -- an impressive number. Nobody equaled it until Canada in 1955. Japan did not reach U.S. 1930 auto ownership rates until 1990.

So what this means is that while the cities were expanding and growing, transit was growing up and the auto was not available to most people.  All of this goes to say that these are incredible, unbelievable systems in Japan and they can not be replicated. Nobody came in with a federal program or a program from the Japanese Diet and started imposing rail lines on the existing urban footprint. Transit was built as the city expanded.

Q: What's the best transit system in the United States -- or is there one?

A: Boy.... Oh, San Diego. I would not call it the best. I'd call it the least worst. San Diego has done some wonderful things. They started contracting out transit service in 1979. Their costs are much lower than other systems as a result. More than 40 percent of their system is contracted out now. They carry a huge increase in ridership compared to what they had in 1980 -- a ridership increase that's far greater than the population increase. Everybody likes to talk about the San Diego Trolley, the light rail line. It is, again, the least worst trolley in the country. It is less unsuccessful as a result of its first line that went to the Mexican border. For example, if those Port Authority tunnels under the Allegheny River in Pittsburgh were ending up at the Mexican border, they might make some sense. But in the early years, this San Diego line covered 90 percent of its operating cost; it never covered any capital. As the system has expanded, it’s been decimated. There’s no other destination like the Mexican border.    When you talk about transit in the United States, you have to be talking about best prisoner awards. These systems are a scourge on taxpayers. There are some that do some wonderful things, but nobody does it all right.

I keep arguing in my own mind, who is more responsible for the abject failure of transit in the United States? And mind you -- transit expenditures have gone up more than 300 percent adjusted for inflation since 1970 and ridership has gone up less than 20 percent. There is no other sector of the economy, including health care, where I can find escalation even close to that. Transit holds the record. It is a damned outrage how bad transit has been.

I continually argue with myself, “Well, is it because of the unions?” -- and I don’t blame the unions, because if you are a union leader there in Pittsburgh and there is no competition, why shouldn’t you ask for the moon? You should be thrown out if you don’s ask for the moon. So there's this monopoly labor negotiating thing, where the unions play a part and where management plays a part, and where to some extent you will find management rooting for the unions because they know whatever the unions get they  are going to get … . Or is it the vendors -- the people who build these darn light rail systems?

The whole point of transit is to maximize costs. The management-labor arrangements maximize costs and so do the vendor arrangements with respect to capital expenditures. All that being said, there is no hope whatsoever for transit.

Q: Why is there no hope?

A:  The first reason is that it is structurally incapable to be designed to do much more than it does today. Think about this: The Port Authority, for all of its problems, probably does a reasonably decent job of getting people to Downtown. As a matter of fact, something like 40 percent of downtown Pittsburgh workers get their on transit -- one of the highest shares in the country.

I was out in Pittsburgh about a year ago…. Think about what you’d need to do if you wanted to increase the transit market share for one of the business centers on the way to the airport. How would you structure transit to replicate the 40 percent downtown share? Well, I’ll tell you how you do it. You’d need to have a series of routes that converge on this one point, just like downtown.  I don’t care if there is one job there or 50,000 jobs there, because otherwise you are talking about service that cannot compete with the automobile.

That is why if you look at the Western world -- and I mean North America, including Canada, Australia and Western Europe -- you will not find any non-central business center that has a substantial market share for transit. If you live in the suburbs of Paris, for example -- where 80 percent of the people live and work and 70 percent of the jobs are -- you can’t possibly get to another part of the suburbs by transit unless you are willing to go all the way downtown to the core and switch. There are people that do that because they don’t have any money, but anyone with a car is going to drive.

So the first reason why there is no hope for transit is that it can not be designed to be competitive with the automobile, except for very specific locations -- that really only being a downtown area. It has to be a good concentrated downtown area, and they don’t come much better in my view than Pittsburgh. The other reason why there is no hope for transit is that whatever you give them will be frittered away without any impact whatsoever. That gets us back to this whole bit of a 300 percent expenditure increase at the same time you’ve had a 20 percent ridership increase. If any one of these bozos wants to think about putting taxes on greenhouse gases and giving the money to transit -- hey, what a loser. You will get nothing. 

Q: A while ago I came across some figures for the Port Authority from the early 1980s. Ridership then was about 100 million a year; it had about 2,800 employees, almost 1,000 buses and about 90 trolleys. In 2006 it had about 3,000 employees, about 1,000 buses and 80 light-rail cars. Its budget had gone up 42 percent faster than inflation since 1982 -- but they were carrying 70 million people instead of 100 million. They had lost 30 percent of their business yet everything stayed the same -- and no one even notices this.

A: I know. You are absolutely right -- and you can find that just about everywhere. There are some exceptions. But the point you're making with respect to the Port Authority makes my point exactly: For most transit agencies in the United States, if they were to write a mission statement that is reflective of what they do, they would indicate that they exist for the purpose of serving their employees and vendors.

Q: What about Europe? Aren't there reforms going on there?

A: Yes. I do a lot of speaking in Europe and I tell them, "Don't think of America as free market. You guys are far more free market than we are." They are contracting out services all over the place. The entire Stockholm system is contracted out. Every bus is contracted out. The commuter rail is contracted out. A good portion of the commuter rail service in Germany either has been or will be contracted out. In the United States we have this massive, stupid, inefficient, destructive federal program that in my view has done more to destroy transit than anything else besides the management-labor cabal and the vendors.

In Europe what they discovered about 15 years ago is that centralized funding creates all sorts of incentives for locals to waste money. So just about everywhere in Europe they have stopped their national transit programs and forced it down to the local level. They've said, "If you want to spend all that money on transit, you go right ahead." In a sense, they de-nationalized funding and they de-nationalized responsibility.

Q: Is the current model of mass transit in the USA dead after 40 years?

A: It's not dead because it is being kept alive by an IV from Washington and taxpayers. The very idea that Pennsylvania wants to impose tolls on I-80 with part of the money going to transit shows the bankruptcy of the whole thing. You are not going to get anything for it. Transit is on life support. It is very politically strong. And you know what, we can keep brain-dead transit alive for as long as there is stuff coming out of those IV needles. But if you want to talk about people, role in the community and all that kind of thing, not only is the model dead, but my sense is that transit is dead. That's because this model has so poorly served the industry and the people that I'm not sure there is anything that can be done to resuscitate it.

Q: What would you do if you got to run the Port Authority?

A:  If I were given dictatorial powers to go into a place like Pittsburgh and not have to deal with the feds and everything, I would propose that what we do is first offer a program of leased cars to our low-income riders and basically try to move all of our low-income drivers who can drive to cars. And by the way, the mathematics work very well.

Secondly, I would strengthen dial-a-ride (Access) programs to help those people we can’t help with cars. And thirdly, I would provide whatever service can be provided by bus or rail profitably. That means that people who work downtown are going to have to start paying their share. Maybe that hurts downtown. But the fact is, there’s no reason why a downtown employee should not be paying the full cost of his transit ride to downtown.

That model might very well in the long run get you more transit ridership and it would provide incredibly better mobility to low-income people who are being held back by their reliance on transit. But generally, what I am saying is that when you get to a situation where transit represents 4 percent of ridership -- which it does in Chicago, Washington and San Francisco, those being the second, third and fourth to New York City at 9 percent -- it’s dead.

Now that’s not to suggest there aren’t things that can be saved. The downtown-oriented systems are great, but they don’t need to be subsidized. Why are we subsidizing downtown? It’s because they have the power -- it’s very simple. If somebody were ever to take a serious look at the subsidies to downtown, it would be astounding -- and I’m not just talking about transit.

Q: Is anyone in the U.S.A. looking at a new model or calling for one?

A: In terms of anyone thinking of an alternative, you have to recognize that it is sort of a self-supporting, incestuous situation. The unions never give up. They hate contracting because it saves 40 or 50 percent. The politicians in Washington love it. You've got a transit industry that's spending $50 billion a year. I don't know what the American Public Transit Association budget is, but I know they walk the halls of Congress all the time. They take members of Congress to their meetings. If you want to talk about lobbying abuses, I'd start with the public sector quite frankly. So the point is, of course, nobody is thinking about changing anything.

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About The Author
Bill Steigerwald, born and raised in Pittsburgh, is a former L.A. Times copy editor and free-lancer who also worked as a docudrama researcher for CBS-TV in Hollywood before becoming a reporter for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and a columnist Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Bill Steigerwald recently retired from daily newspaper journalism..
 
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Transit & GMA work together
Don't forget about the rest of the story -- Growth Management Acts. The same people who think it is OK to take my tax money and use it to modify my transportation behavior also believe they have the right to force me out of a house with a yard. They somehow feel ordained to shepherd us into downtown condos and other high-density plans. So in their minds, efficient transit to the suburbs is not even a desired goal. If they make it work well, even more people will move out of the decaying, corrupt, liberal cities. What they don't realize is that some of us will drive as far as we have to and pay whatever the cost to have a real home we like once we get there. Or maybe they do realize it, and they are just enjoying the structure that has me financing their decisions.

Crime
Shattah206:

Not only that but those in the suburbs--me included--don't want mass transit. I live 40 miles from the center of the city and I did so on purpose, it is still mostly rural, with low crime, good schools, low taxes and good services. At night, the sounds you hear are owls and whip-poor-wiils not gunfire, police sirens, and the most recent hip-hop hit being blasted from some Honda Civic with a spoiler in back.

The claim for years has been mass transit brings in crime and many have said that is just code for "black." No, it is code for it brings in crime.

Look at the counties outside of Atlanta that brought in their own transit systems when the voters rejected MARTA--Cobb, Gwinnett, Clayton.

The areas of Cobb that don't have service like the rural/exurb areas between Kennesaw and Acworth along the Paulding County line is still very nice and low crime--but go and check out Austell sometime. The amusement park Six Flags now has a serious gang problem which was not the case 20 years ago--all of this due to mass transit. Gwinnett has similar experiences as Cobb, when it began its bus service. And Clayton is the crime capital of Georgia.

No one wants their property values crushed by crime, low income apartments and the like--both which arrive on the wings of mass transit. Few people are going to join the mass transit bandwagon as long as this is the case.





Mass transit today
is heavily subsidized and usually run by the government. While dense population area's get decent service once outside of the city it just stinks. Of course those of us in the sparser area's dont have the voting power so everyone commutes by car. Alternatives have been proposed but environmental concerns always seem to trump improvements. Mass transit in my area run just a couple of roads and then only twice a day. First you have tio get to the stops then you have to turn around in a couple of hours or you get stranded. And they wonder why it dosent work. Its a joke but a very expensive one.

I'll drive myself
We have a new high speed train running from Ogden, Utah to Salt Lake City called "Front runner". However, it has the end hub at the railroad station and light rail and buses going in different routes from there. The problem I have with it is you need to drive to the stops and leave your car, buy a pass for approx the same $ as gas for you car, then get a transfer ticket for light rail or a bus, and then usually have either additional transfers or walk. The walking part wouldn't work very well in the winter mind you. So, I can get in my car, drive directly to my destination(s), and have a travel time probably half of what transit would be and for the same money. My main problem is I get to help pay for that anyway as a taxpayer and then pay again for a ticket if I have a few hours to burn on mass transit. Thank you local and national gov't for wasting my money.

Once upon a time...
My commute to Atlanta, one-way, was about 2 hours. It was worth it to be out in the country, far far away from the din, crime, criminals.

I don't know who currently heads MARTA (Metro Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority) but a few years ago the appointed CEO was some broad who was a serial welfare mother who had *never* in her life held a paying job! Why was she selected? Because she would be more careful to look after the needs of "the poor". The same poor who urinate in the buses, etc., and drive off paying customers. Those poor.

In hindsight, 2 hours wasn't far enough away...

Washington D.C. Metro
I may be missing something, but the D.C. system seemed to work very well when I visited there recently.

Another TH columnist
Can we get Paul Weyrich to read this and then shut the flutch up about his great saviour, light rail?

Change in crime

In Virginia the crime has dropped as the cost of housing inside the city has increased. With all of the grren technology and "open space" (see postage size parks) they have forced out the poor and lower middele class.

So in five years the crime has risen in the suburbs and declined in the city.

The cities have the subrubs over a barrell and the transit subsidies local governemnts pay is just another nail in the coffin of suburbs.

Have you seen transit retirement plans and health benefits? Seriously, we should all consider driving a bus.

Ruth

DC Metro may run well but if we can't continue to pay their extortion it will go in the tank.

I really wish they were not unionized and they had to increase their profitability by a % each year till they are in fact profitable.

Poor Description of Failure
This column doesn’t begin to explore the reasons why rapid transit fails in this country. It tries to blame it on the unions to some extent but that isn’t even a significant part of the problem.

All it takes to see what causes the problem is to look at the same issues that always plague socialism and communism, because the rapid transit systems are a fine example of what happens when the socialists and communists take over.

The rapid transit systems have never been very good outside of cities that had them for a very long time when they were run by private enterprise but the road to failure accelerated when the Commiecrats passed the bill requiring 20% of all gas tax revenues go to mass transit. This was supposed to be a “green” measure but in reality it was nothing more than the normal diversion of tax payer money to the Commiecrat supporters in the urban areas. Anyone with half a brain knows that if a city has some public function it is subsidizing and the feds start sending them money for that function the city’s money is just diverted to some other socialist function that the rest of the country would revolt rather than fund. In reality they are funding it, but the comiecrats shell game tries to hide this.

cont..

pt 2

The other major problem is in the Orwellian Newspeak term for the transit; “Rapid Transit”. LOL, it is anything but rapid. If you live 20 miles outside of the city for your commute you can bet on at least 2 hours transit each way. With a car the drive home may be 2 hours if you have to make it during ruch hour but my experience has been that going in in the morning is much much shorter.

The other major problem is as someone said earlier, crime. Remember the old Barnard Goetz thing in NYC. You couldn’t ride a subway in NYC at the time without being plagued by hoodlums. He finally had enough and shot a couple of them. Of course he was prosecuted because that is “bad” in NYC. Socialism breeds crime because the riders have no stake in the system and are not paying for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz

And even we here in small town America have gotten in the act. Rather than see all of that “free” money going to waste the huge city of 7K here has started up a bus service. H*ll you can walk completely across the town in an hour from oine city limit sign to the next. You will not experience any crime on our buses though. In the past 5 years or so that this service has been operating I have never seen a single sould on one of these buses. They parade up and down the street empty all day.

One could go on and on for this but basically all I would be doing is repeating the failures of socialism and communism. All of the things that cause failure of socialism causes failure of this system.

Its the Unions
In Toronto every time the Feds or Province cough up a big purse for track and train repairs and new buses, the Union stages a strike or threatens one and every dime goes into Union pockets. The trains are overcrowded and every day brings delay (yesterday the East line was delayed by an alarm because of a fight onboard; the West line was delayed by mechanical trouble, on my way in -- which means that those who were not smart enough to get off one stop before the main crossing point and cross over were further delayed by three or four trainloads of delayed passengers on the platform ahead of them.

Streetcars are jammed with bicycles, huge baby carriages that completely block the aisles. Buses are stuck in traffic and arrive three or four at a time off schedule.

But Toronto is ready to cram all the proles into huge highrises with no view but other high riss, for $300,000 for 339 square feet, so the proles can walk to work. Or bicycle. A man in our office was killed last week riding a bicycl to work, by a soccer Mom who flung open the door of her SUV without looking and knocked him and his bicycle into oncoming traffic, where he was hit by a truck. I hear she did remove one earbud to say, *Like, WhatEVER, maaan* before continuing on her way....

San Diego success?
I'm completely surprised that anyone could objectively call San Diego a success for mass transit. If anything, the lack of connectivity for 97% of the population to any mass transit point for leisure or work is obvious.

Portland, OR is a much better example than San Diego would ever be for the west coast.

This is where I will purchase my transit next year!
http://zeropollutionmotors.us/




Bill
The Japanese are Smarter than Americans,and are not nearly as self-absorbed.A car in Japan is a luxury,even today.However it is a necessity in America.Young Americans, are still attached to the car as a "Right of Passage".In America, much of your tradition is tied to the CAR.In every major city in America,cars are still allowed in the Downtown area.I guess the "Terror Threat" has a limiting dimension.There is no reason, why transit in America, performs so poorly,other than the people and their political leaders.You get what you pay for,sometimes.

KILLER
I', sure you just bob around Atlanta in your Aligator shoes.

Give up your car and move to Scott.

Killer even if it runs well in Japan
Ever seen a video of how they cram the passengers in the cars? Thats government at it best!

Vic
I have 3 Hondas,on which I spend $40.00 per month for gas.This amount never changes.I rarely go downtown,since my specialties are real estate and tax law.Hagar,I am going to assume,that you don't understand the nuisances of my statement;The Japanese are smarter than Americans.

Greens will fix it
The insane Global Warming bunch will just wipe out the economy and we will all be forced to ride the bus. Funny once they wipe out wealth in this country who is going to pay the enviromental wacko's bills... Enviromentalism will become a luxury that people will not have much interest in if they are in a bread line.

killer
If you are getting by on $40.00/month you are ridingthe tax subsidized transit. As I said, move to Scott and see how well you do.

That will be a better place for you anyway. There is only about 300 people living there for you to agravate.

Transit in Houston
There are basically two city transit systems in Houston. The first are the buses. The routes are designed either to run from low rent apartments to local colleges or to local shopping malls for the welfare people. The second system is the trams. These were set up to move people from hotels to downtown where they have some sport arenas. Neither is designed to move people from the suburbs to work. To make it even harder, downtown does not really have much in the way of office buildings or other mass work areas. There are a bunch of small businesses that few people are interested in visiting. So why use the systems?

DC metro not so great
I often hear comments that DC metro works well, from someone who visited. I had to ride metro for my commute. The only reason was no parking available anywhere near my work at any price. The system has two qualities: slow and expensive. You have to drive to a station and pay a couple bucks to park. If you get there after 6:30 you have to walk a mile from your car (check out Shady Grove parking lot for example). Then you wait for a train, and several bucks to get in to town. Then you walk for another 15 mins or so to work. If you have to carry anything more than a briefcase, good luck.

When they opened the green line, first thing they did was reroute all bus service, so you can't take a bus into town; the buses only go to the train station now. I didn't live in the I-395 corridor, but I suspect it is better to slug it there then try to use metro.

Could not disagree more
New York City has a great mass transit system which I ride all the time. The problem is that most areas do not have the population density to support a comprehensive mass transit system, and travelling by car actually makes more sense in many places as a result (the gas price issue aside).

The Capitalist Way
I believe in Capitalism. If there truly is a need for mass transit - then remove the impediments of Government - taxi cab licensing, bus franchisment, etc. Let the free market devise a method for getting people where they need to go in an expeditious and cost effective manner!

To where?
Southerncon. Ride the bus to where? When the commiecrats (thanks, vic) finally succeed, to where would everyone be riding?
Jobs? HA! No jobs to be found anywhere!
Grocery store? HA! No food to be found in the stores, unless you're one of the elite. They'd get 'special' stores, just like the nomenclatura in that worker's paradise, the USSR.
Home? HA! No need to leave whene there's no destination.
There would, however, probably be a direct line to enable the rider to kiss some bureaucrat squarely on the keister, hoping for handouts. Elites like that kind of power.

A look into the 22nd century
Everyone lives in a government built hi rise. Transportation is provided by elevator. You are assigned a apartment. You are assigned an activity (job?). You perform this activity in the same hi rise. There is a central ruler. The model for this exists in nature (environmentalist are thrilled) Both the ant farm and the bee hive conform to this method. By modifying you gene's you become more efficient at you activity. Welcome to unfettered liberalism.

To get to work
and back without driving is not possible for those who commute from the hinterlands of the wide open states like Arizona and Nevada where there is no mass transit available.
Recently, I heard some TV 'suit' opine that Americans should be happy with $5 to $6 dollar gas as Europe has had much higher rates for years. (due mainly to exorbitant gasoline taxes) Europeans have also had terrific and relatively cheap mass transit for years. Their average commute I would bet is much shorter than that of their American cousins. I wouldn't complain as much either if I only drove a few miles a week, and then mainly for recreation and shopping.
So nuts to Europe and their frugality! As an American I resent being told I should feel guilty for enjoying myself and using energy. I doubt I am alone in these feelings and suspect the driving/voting public will respond to 'carbon tax' legislation much the way they responded to instant citizenship for millions of lawbreaking illegal immigrants.
'Carbon tax' is just a catch phrase for the 'stop-freedom-at-any-cost' Left's attempt to turn America into a loony-Luddite-land with liberty and justice for none but themselves and the 'spangle-toed ridge-rodent.'
Americans, stand your ground! Vote the corrupt #$%^&@#s out! Then maybe we'll get a few months break while the newly elected, apprentice thieves learn the ropes.

mikefrom tuscon
Don't you just love it when the idiots compare us to Europe? Europe has twice as many people living within an area 1/3 the size of the U.S. The average European country is smaller than the average U.S. State and the average European does not own a car because he can not afford one. As a result the average Euopean never travels more than a few miles from where he lives except on his “annual” vacation. Yeah, we need to live like that just to satisfy the watermellons.

Flawed source for this column
Wendell Cox is an anti-transit zealot who has been on the payroll of various highway-oriented lobbies. Sorry, but using him as a basis for a column destroys its credibility. Google Paul Weyrich, a conservative leader who provides well-reasoned arguments in favor of transit.

http://www.trolleycar.org/

As a lifelong Republican, I think that while no government program- including highway construction- is perfect, mass transit is often a good investment.

If mass transit was a good
investment there would be private companies clamering to build the systems everywhere.

Mass transit vs roads
Read column here some months ago where the author stated that mass transport was encouraged over road building because road building was a one time labor expense and mass transit was a continuos labor expense. This column seems to confirm that.

What we really need are more and better roads.

GOPfan
How can losing money be a good investment?

There isn't a money making mass transit system in the US, whether W. Cox is an anti mass transit crusader or not, facts are facts. Mass transit (public) systems loose money. As a republican I can't see how you can be for mass transit.

Charlotte, NC
To Vic, I lived in Charlotte for several years and watched HUGE buses interrupting traffic flow on congested roads and mostly empty. With the passengers they carried they could have purchased some vans. The bus station uptown was a den where thugs hang out and fights break out. Wouldn't want to be by the bus station at night. They have trouble in downtown Charlotte because the buses bring the lowlife into town to rabblerouse. My son, who is a big guy, has a business uptown and would not consider being there at night because of the crime problem. Oops, not supposed to mention that there is crime in Charlotte, it is "such a beautiful city".

"Gubmint" built a football stadium and a basketball stadium right in the heart of uptown. So pretty. Next is going to be a baseball stadium. Don't stadiums belong outside where you have parking and traffic can then move around, etc.

Government is the problem, not the solution.

nancibelle
How right you are. BTW, the downtown bus station in Charlotte doesn't hold a candle to the one in Atlanta for crime.

I can remember my first trip to Charlotte and the traffic on Independence Blvd (this was before all the freeways came in). It was awful and I remember thinking about the fact that one of the reasons I left the Bay Area in CA was to get away from the traffic.

A great quote
" For most transit agencies in the United States, if they were to write a mission statement that is reflective of what they do, they would indicate that they exist for the purpose of serving their employees and vendors."

This is the MAIN PURPOSE of almost every government entity that exists. Which is why socialism DOES NOT WORK! At least not for the consumer. It works great for those who make their living in government.

I remember reading some commentaries years ago from people living under the old system of the Soviet Union. They complained that the government leaders were eating caviar and drinking the best vodka while their people had to stand in line for two hours to get a loaf of bread. This is exactly what all those who applaud Barack Obama are going to get in the end. Government only exists to serve government. It does not care about the masses.

































































































Weyrich can't hold candle to Cox
GOPfan writes: "Wendell Cox is an anti-transit zealot (...) Google Paul Weyrich, a conservative leader who provides well-reasoned arguments in favor of transit."

Weyrich makes some attractive arguments for transit, but he's no match for Mr. Cox who, as a board member of LARTA, has seen the rail transit Beast up close and personal in Los Angeles.

Weyrich is a neophyte in the field of transportation. Well-meaning, but still a neophyte.

We already have transit
Folks!!!

We have already invented an incredibly flexible method of transit which is economical, convenient, fast and generally pretty safe. People can get virtually anywhere using this method and it is accessible 24 hours a day. It is a national system providing access to both rural and urban areas.

It's called a CAR!

I'm not sure why this most effective method of transportation is seen as the bogeyman, rather than embraced. If we DK's all the public assets devoted to "mass" transit and devoted it to road construction and maintenance (Admitting that we are a nation of cars, not buses), the efficiency would continue to grow.

That we feel we must strive for "mass transit" rather than the very effective cars, trucks and SUVs we all use anyway is an absurd, PC obsession.

San Diego My Fanny
The only line in San Diego that runs close to a profit is the the Trolley btw downtown and the border. All others run big deficits.

They just opened a new line, the Sprinter, btw Oceanside and Escondido in North County (same county, just the way we think of it). The very first thing the transit district did was curtail and amputate bus lines because they had not the income to pay for long distance, lightly ridden bus routes (mostly suburban and plain old rural in NC) while shouldering the astronomical monthly bill for the Sprinter.

This is the moronic legacy left to Californians by State Senator Jim Mills (may he rotate in his grave) who saddled us with inflexible commuter rail lines, bonds to pay off, added taxes at the gas pump to pay for these boondoggles that benefit no one except the vendors, equipment makers, contractors, and a very highly paid transit board that employs people to walk empty cars looking for tickets to punch. Oh, I almost forgot the generous pensions they'll all receive.

As far as I can see, the only "benefit" of all these rail lines riding empty is that suicides are much easier for those who choose to dart out onto the tracks just before the oncoming train. Hey, the first Sprinter suicide was during the first week of operation. When opportunity knocks, mass transit to nowhere can deliver your soul elsewhere.

The fraternity
I live in Orange County California. The transit plan here is designed to do one thin, impress other yuppie transit executives. Our bus service is inefficient and operates overfilled or nearly empty. The taxpayers subsidize every rider. Instead of improving these routes, OCTA management wants to build light rail systems that are even less efficient and appeal only to public transit professionals and university professors. Neither of whom, by the way, would ever ride public transit. Transit systems executives want to impress other transit system executives and the hell with the rest of us.

Great post!
Where public transport tends to work is where it is geographically suited for long train lines like Manhattan, San Fransisco and Tokyo.

But the privatization angle will generally lead to the best results.

Mass transit expansion for greater Los A
Mass transit expansion for greater Los Angeles - revisited

With the escalating cost of energy – it is time to re-visit expanding the transit system.
Put all politics aside and look at a short term goals and long term goals.

Expanding the mass transit system in the Los Angeles Metro Area is critical to the future vitality of its economy; it will save energy reduce pollution, save lives and increase health by reducing stress.

It is time to forgo ego and consider the good of the public.

A transit system utilizing cable car or light rail over the freeways or any other types of mass transit in the Los Angeles Metro area is a reasonable solution to decrease the congestion on the roads, save energy, reduce pollution, improve air quality, save money, save lives and improve our health.
Cost of energy and vehicles and maintenance has climbed dramatically in the past 10 years, warranting this issue to re-examine the expansion of mass transit in the Greater Los Angeles Area. The longer we wait, the greater the cost and the more imperative this project becomes.

In many areas of the country there are transit stations and parking lots, which provide parking for the transit customers.

The costs should not be astronomical. (Based on current energy costs, and future increases). There is no need to acquire large parcels of property; with some modification such system can be implemented and operational within the next decade.

Jay Draiman, Northridge, CA

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