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Wednesday, April 09, 2008
Bill Steigerwald :: Townhall.com Columnist
If Al Gore Had Won in 2000
by Bill Steigerwald
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What if in the election of 2000 Al Gore had become president instead of George W. Bush?

Two terms of Commander in Chief Gore is a scary thought. But these days it's getting harder to deny that America and parts of the world would be better off if President Gore had been in charge the last 7.25 years.

It would have been a long national torture. But under President Al Gore there would have been no war in Iraq because he never would have had the crazy neocons pushing him to use 9/11 as an excuse to invade, occupy and democratize Saddam Hussein's savage land.

No Iraq war means no 4,000 dead American soldiers. No 40,000 wounded. No uncountable hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians. And no $3 trillion tab for what apparently has become the country's second most costly war after World War II.

That staggering price tag -- about 60 times the Bush administration's initial prewar estimates -- was determined by Harvard professor Linda Bilmes and Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz in their new book, "The Three Trillion Dollar War." It's roughly equal to the federal government's 2008 budget, or about 20 percent of our annual GDP.

The figure includes things like the interest on the $12 billion a month the Bush government has been borrowing for Iraq and the $500,000 indemnity paid to the family of each killed soldier. It also includes long-term costs like refurbishing the depleted military and paying for 40 or 50 years of health care for permanently maimed war vets.

The $3 trillion doesn't include the hard-to-measure but not insignificant Middle East "war premium" hidden in the price of a $100-plus barrel of oil -- which cost $25 in 2003 before the invasion of Iraq made the Middle East more chaotic and deadly than usual.

But forget the American taxpayers' $3 trillion bill for Iraq.

Could seven years of a President Gore have surpassed the long-term damage done to the economy by President Bush's federal spending sprees, his tripling of the national debt since 2000, his eroding of the value of the U.S. dollar?

Meanwhile, if Al Gore had become president in 2001, he would have immediately stepped into gridlock. He would have had to battle a unified and semi-principled Republican Party in Congress for every stupid, paleo-liberal social and economic thing he wanted -- just like Bill Clinton had to during the 1990s.

America's first Green president also would have had to confront the cost-benefit realities of greenhouse-gas-cutting schemes like the 1997 Kyoto Protocol -- and quickly discover that no Congress would approve anything so economically harmful and environmentally useless.

Another blessing we'd have enjoyed if Al Gore had been elected president is purely psychological. As president, he never would have had time to put together his sci-fi docu-comedy, "An Inconvenient Truth."

Therefore, he never would have won an Oscar or half a Nobel Peace Prize. Global warming wouldn’t be a religious issue. And Al would still be known a pontificating career politician, not a pontificating savior of the planet.

Not everything would have been perfect under President Gore, of course. When 9/11 occurred, he too probably would have gone to Afghanistan to topple the Taliban and destroy al-Qaida's training camps.

We'd no doubt be just as bogged down there as we are today. But under President Gore our soldiers wouldn't be chasing al-Qaida -- they'd be trying to force Afghan tribesmen to reduce their carbon hoofprints by using solar panels instead of firewood to heat their tents and trading in their horses for mountain bikes.

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Bill Steigerwald, born and raised in Pittsburgh, is a former L.A. Times copy editor and free-lancer who also worked as a docudrama researcher for CBS-TV in Hollywood before becoming a reporter for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and a columnist Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Bill Steigerwald recently retired from daily newspaper journalism..
 
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Still waiting for your numbers...
Cam,

Changing the subject does not answer the question. What is the cost per BTU of these alternative fuels? It doesn't have to be "factored into" the cost of oil. ALL of the factors you mentioned are reflected in THE PRICE. I didn't even ask for factoring in the artificially lowered cost of virtually all alternative fuels due to their subsidy through tax dollars, just a straightforward cost per BTU analysis.

OMG
The moonbat loons swarm all over this leftist trash, does it not? Now, all of a sudden, this whole discussion becomes some elitist intellectual topic. What a load of manure...

Woody from Iowa

Aheno, accept
As noted above, the cost of the Iraq war (acknowledged by Greenspan to be "about oil") is estimated to run $3 trillion. Factor that into your cost per BTU analysis. But you're also likely deny:

The $3 billion estimate;
That the invasion had anything to do w/ US gas consumption;
The costs of global warming along with all other environmental costs of fossil fuels; and
Federal subsidies of the oil/auto industriies.

How can anyone intelligently discuss cost/benefit ratios with people who reject the National Academy of Sciences position on global warming?

Is it a full moon tonight???
All the loonies are out in spades; Muddermucker, Peachbush, et al. Forgive me, it's a full moon every night for you tinfoil heads.

Mudmucker
You are echoing the old urban legend of my youth; that the auto companies and the oil industry gobbled up all the patents for 50mile/gal carbeurators!

Does it ever occur to you morons that the patent for that mysterious device would have run out 35 years ago and we still do not have that miracle carbeurator?

Does it ever occur to you that the free markets will always find a way to profit from economic inequities? If alternative technologies made economic sense, we would be flooded with them.

To believe as you do, one must have an infantile understanding of economics and the nature of humans for personal gain.

Prove it
Alternative energy technologies are cost-competitive with oil? Prove it. Show me the cost per BTU of these alternative technologies.

Bush = oil = your money down the drain
If Bush was not in power then the oil industry would not be runing the show and we might have by now some alternative energy technologies emerging -- wind, solar, and electric cars --- which incidentally, are quite cost-competitive to oil, but not when the government who should be making policies ot promote them is controlled by the oil industry. Then the $100 oil would not hurt the economy so much.

Would the real idiots please stand up
.... So kick them in the butt where their brains are.

The real idiots of course are those who voted for a second term for the bimbo Bush after seeing the mess he created in his first term. I'll always remember the comment one fool made before the 2004 election - he said Bush has messed things up so bad and was such a poor excuse for a President that he was going to vote for him again. Why? Because this genius thought Bush deserved to be the one to clean up after himself.

What a fool. Such a comment assumes Bush could not make things any worse than they were in 2004, only better. How dead wrong! How many people really think America is better off now than it was at the start of Bush's term? Not many according to the polls.

Why do people feel that way? Its easy to see by looking at the economic data. The expansion under Bush that is just now ending in housing scam bubble is the first growth period in history where average income DECREASED. I'll take the dot com expansion of Clinton/Gore over the miseries caused by Bush/Cheney any day.

I can't wait for the end of the Bush administration and the start of the next. I hope it is Obama but I'll settle for Clinton or McCain in that order.

No one could possibly be a worse president than Bush.

Thank you for a good article
Refreshing to see a TH columnist looking at the world with clear and honest eyes.

$3 trillion and counting on a war that has done nothing but undermine our interests in the ME, make Iran the undisputed regional power in the area, and provide a training ground for terrorists to learn how to kill Americans.

How sad for those 4,000 troops and their families who DIED IN VAIN. Actually WORSE than in vain. They died in a misconceived war that made America LESS SAFE rather than more safe. How sad for the thousands more coming back to us disabled physically, mentally or both.

Bush and Cheney will be forever looked at by history as being the worst presidency in history. Our children and grandchildren will be paying for this administration's idiocy for many years.

Yet there are still some brain dead dolts on TH who actually think that Saddam had something to do with 9/11 or that invading Iraq was some kind of revenge on Osama, or that it would prevent some other immanent attack. Amazing that with 5 years of history and all the evidence to the contrary amassed after the war started anyone could be that delusional.

Cost of Al Bore's presidency
The pseudo-environmental regulations railroaded through by BoreGore would have cost the US economy about $18 trillion so far.

Sorry, Bill
But analyses like this are meaningless. You're attempting to predict 7 years worth of events under a dramatically changed scenario and using a static model and some fairly hefty assumptions. Take the outcome of 2000 in a different direction and not only do the events we know now as history diverge, but the changed events would have spun off into others we can't even imagine because of their dependency on consequences that have never occurred. Seven years worth of this branching out would have placed conditions so far out of line with what has actually happened that we couldn't possibly map out this "what if" world based on those things that *have* occurred since 2000.

I for one think it is quite a leap of faith to assume that Gore would have gone into Afghanistan militarily. We can make that assumption in hindsight, but I can't find any indication to support it from the opinions of his ideological fellow travelers at the time. There was quite a bit of journalistic carping about Afghanistan until we won -- it was even being compared to Vietnam after about 3 weeks.

"If"?
Al Gore won the popular vote and a study of the Florida ballots showed he really won the electoral vote. The question is if the ballots had been counted accurately.

When the Democrats assumed control of congress, one of their first 6 acts was to implement nearly all of the remainder of the 911 Commission's recommendations. It's ludicrous to claim that Democrats can't be trusted with protecting the US.

Had Gore assumed office, the US military would likely have been in and out of Afghanistan by now (which would be a stable democracy). Saddam's Iraq might have met the same fate as the Soviet Union. And budget debt might exist only in the history books.

If ifs and buts were candy & nuts
Fact:

dims don't fight, dims rob & spend, dims do not solve problems they throw your money at it, dims coddle tyrants and terrorists, dims love criminals and hate guns, dims kill babies and dims will impose their law on everything you do.
dims loath conservative America (real America) and its importance in history and to our future.

Al Gore would have, just with his judge picks, subjected this country to an entire take over by a lib Supreme Court that would make FDR's socialism look like Reagan. And if an Arab nuke hadn't arrived by now it would be close.





then....
Senator Hiliary Clinton would have been able to bring 200,000 jobs to her state, New York.

Acceptreality
You took the words right out of my mouth. The press and tv networks will never give anything the President or Republicans in general do a positive accounting. Thier goal is to have only one political party and that is the Democrat(ic).

Gore?
The same al gore that told his child you dont want to be like him..pointing to a special services guy that was there to protect him,and right in front of the guy! And he wasnt joking!
The same al gore that created the Internet?
The same al gore that forgot about going into a buddhist(SP) TEMPLE to raise money? The same al gore that was taped in a meeting that consisted
of conversation that was illegal campaign funds..but he was in the bathroom he said when the exact conversation took place..he drank too much tea, he said!
The same al gore that had a body guard(another
soldier-hired by his senator dad)?
All gore fans ...never mind, I almost used ....
language that you don't use in sunday school!
elvis

if gore were president
well, what has been aaid has been pinned on that there was a 911 disaster ..
what if ,,, Pres. Al Gore, after hearing about that Boston TV station's report that people could get on aeroplanes at Logan International Airplane Patch carrying box cutters .. and he called the FAA administator and said: "Do something about that. Some nut might try and hijack an airliner . We could have problems with that down the road."
Of course, under Brush, that TV station lettered the FAA administrator .. and we all know what happened ..

'We can be certain of only one thing
if Gore was president and did exactly what Bush did:
The media would...
1. commemorate Gore as our '911 President' at every opportunity. The man who 'stood ' for America in her hour of need.
2. portray the Iraq and Afghanistan actions as 'Wars of Liberation', for which no cost in blood or purse was too great.
3. hail the No Child Left Behind and the Prescription Drug Bills as the most brilliant domestic programs since the Great Society.
4. lament that Hurricaine Katrina was a horrific natural disaster that could no one could have estimated or prepared for. Any shortcomings would be blamed on Republican obstructionism.
5. hail the Patriot Bill as the only sensible way to protect our nation.
7. describe Guantanamo as the Islamic Club Med.
8. squarely place blame for all economic turmoil on evil businesses and Republicans.

Great Article
The same points made in this article applies to McCain. We will be better off if McCain loses....
see this article:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTkyYTQzZjYzMjViYmU5ZT MwYzZiMWVhMWQ4YTE3YWI=#more
Just as Fords loss helped by bringing in Reagan's revolution....
And by Bush's loss in 92...we gained the house of reps...which we would never had done with Bush winning.
Gore would have lost in 2004....And we would now have a conservative president and not this bumbling moron we now have.

The price of oil
was bound to rise faster than incomes could and that fact makes the case that economics is the issue where renewable energy is concerned, not the environment.
We have had several congressional cycles to address this issue going back as far as Carter. The congresses have been swayed by the entrenched lobbies and we have the predictable result of running-away inflation.
Chevron and some tf the other oil robber-barrons are attempting to make the transition from strctly oil to a viriaty of energy sourses but the problem is how to design-in obslolescence.
Gore would have closed all but foot trafic in national parks, wiping out huge parts of the tourism industry and the oil energy issues wouldn't have changed any more than they have.

Had Algore been elected
there would not have been a 9/11 attack, because, after 8 years of clinton, the terrorists knew that algore was one of them. This is why there was not an attack on the capital: The terrorists knew that half the people in there (the Democ-rats) were theirs.
The 4th plane was headed for TMI when it went down.

Finally a honest conservative comparison
Excellent column, Bill Steigerwald. Way too many pundits, like Hannity & Rush, who try to force-feed and manipulate Republicans into thinking neocon Bush is somehow more fiscally conservative than Gore or Kerry would have been.


If gore had won & bullfrogs had wings
One thing is certain if gore had won and 9-11 had occured none of the leftist idiots would be calling it an inside job. The fact is 9-11 did occur because in the late 90s al gore and tom daschel went to bat for the airlines and stopped any attempt to increase airline security in its tracks. As of Iraq is Saddam was such a good guy why the sanctions? the man and his country were a threat and ignoring that was the height of irresponsibility. Relying on the UN was no better.

Gore Liberals and the Clintonite Media
I wonder how the dems would have sugarcoated 9/11?
Would Gore have been so bold as to have lobbed a few (more) tomahawks into Afghanistan? This isn't and never was the point. The point was, August 6th 2001 - Durbin South Africa. "The Conference on Racial Equality" in which President Bush refused to send a representative from his cabinet to acquiesce and bow down to Yassar Arafat and his cronies from the League of Arab Nations. The consequences - as can be verified from the ABC News-radio 12pm EDT news coverage on 08/06/01? The League of Arab Nations declared war on the United States. The League of Arab Nations "declared war" on western civilization, and nobody can remember.....

Too bad.... Most Americans can't remember that date - and the facts! It was only after 45 days that we endured their first horrendous attack on American soil. And since war was declared on us, there has been no other option - other than for us to take corrective measures - as we've since been doing in response.
We're naturally a much better people than these third world hoodlums that would corrupt their ministries and their government into a false belief that we are the enemy. As in nearly all third world nations, there is only propaganda, deceit and lies from their government ministries. Since 2003, the mideast has been in transition and the Leaders of the League of Arab Nations have been deposed while the citizenry is being re-educated about individuality and something that they've never known before......., freedom.

Americans deserve Bush
If you ever saw the debates between Gore and Bush and still voted for W, then YOU are responsible for the complete and total mess that this country is in now.
It was painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain that Bush lacked the intellect or experience to be President. One year before the election, he was unable to name the leaders of either Pakistan or India. Pathetic.
I had never been an Al Gore fan and would have voted for McCain had he been the GOP nominee. But to see this completely arrogant simpleton get the nomination and then "win" the election was just mind boggling. But to quote Henry Mencken-
"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”

Amazing....
The way we throw around the word "trillion". First the Iraq war was costing billions, then we hear it is costing a trillion dollars, we have some leftist thinkers saying it will cost three trillion dollars. That great economist thinker beastie boy now says FIVE TRILLION dollars.

OK.... I will call that five trillion and raise you 43 GAZILLION.

Good grief

Shells
"What happened to us was surreal and horrible, no one could've expected this.(9-11)"

Not often you see a claim like that anymore. Not only did Tom Clancy predict such an attack in Debt of Honor, Thomas Harris wrote about one in Black Sunday.

As for Gore's response, almost every Democratic senator and congressman voted to invade Afghanistan. A Democratic president would have done the same.

On Iraq, I'd like to think that Gore wouldn't have made the same mistake, but I gotta admit, who knows?

Great Patriot
With you on that one. The statement just made no sense.

Taxcuts and SCOTUS picks
Other than that (and that's not insignificant) I don't see how a President Gore would have been much worse. Had Gore won in 2000, we would have probably gotten McCain out of the way in 2004 and now we might have someone reasonably conservative running.

A personal attack for a fool
"That's right. 50,000,000 people would have died in the ensuing world war because we didn't stop Saddam, just like what happened when we didn't stop Hitler when it would have been much less costly."

I dislike personal attacks as much as the next guy, but the above poster is a total fool. There's just nothing else to say...

Big Al
Al's net worth as gone from $2m to $100m since 2000 - I figure he is glad he lost.

I don't think...
anything would be different. Gore, like Bush, would have taken 9-11 as a green light for an advance of Socialism in this country and we'd still be paying over 3 dollars for a gallon of gas. The war might not be going on, but it's hard to say even there. Democratic presidents have presided over most of the significant wars in the last 90 years.

Gridlock is good
Our country has done the best where one party holds the Oval Office and the other holds the purse-strings.

Gore would have succeeded in raising CAFE standards, which would have had the incidental effect of aiding our balance of payments dramatically. Also, Gore would not have invaded Iraq, thereby saving us $5 trillion. The Republican Party would not be in such total disarray, driven there by mismanagement and corruption on a Suharto-esque scale.

Remember: You were the idiots who voted for Shrub.

On 2nd thought...
Maybe I'm just feeling more cynical this time of day. But...

Maybe President Gore would've gone into Iraq just as quickly. But you'd hear nothing but praise & support for it from the pop media & the Congressional Demmies. We'd have no idea who Cindy Sheehan was, never would've heard of her. Just like Waco Willie's ventures in Kosovo, Bosnia, Somalia, & the occasional cruise missle attacks on aspirin factories & govmt offices after hours w/ only cleaning staff present. No tally of American deaths so far. No problem, not anything to protest or get riled about.

OTOH if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, the pop media would be taunting him daily on how Saddam's running rings around him & thumbing his nose. Maybe we'd even see the real horror of the 'rape rooms', human shredders, & other atrocities W tolerates, that are instead ignored & minimized since we ended them.

I'd have taken Alfred E. Neuman
over GWBush ... on second thought, maybe Bush IS Alfred without the makeup:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushworry2 .htm

Don't forget...
that America would have been a smoldering wasteland.

More than that
Say what you will about Bush, I may agree on most things about how things are being handled in Iraq poorly, but I'm glad he was our president during 911 and not Gore.

It's no laughing matter either. What happened to us was surreal and horrible, no one could've expected this.

If Al Gore were our president, just what do you think would happen to us domestically? You think he had the nuts and the guts to go after Al Queda, or stop the 7 or so attacks we almost had on us since then?

No, if we're being hypothetical, then I believe those terrorists going after Fort Nix and our airport would've come to fruition. It would be chaos.

Yes, we'd have clean air and choas. A nice combo.






Your assumptions are ridiculous
It's not often I read something on Townhall that I find to be pure garbage. Can I flag an article as offensive?

Your assumptions are that our current war is for nothing, that only George W Bush would have increased the debt, that whatever Gore might have accomplished would cause little or no harm, etc. Plain crap. We suffered a major attack in our homeland on September 11 and we've been fighting the terrorists since then and we're fighting them on their own territory. That's where I'd like the fight to be. What the hell do you think Mr. Internet would have done to protect us? I don't claim he'd have done nothing, but I do claim that he would have exacerbated the problem and would not have taken the fight to the enemy. The country has been through a lot the last 7 years, much was beyond the control of a president and would have happened with a "President Gore." I hate to even consider what would have happened to us with a president every bit as lame as Carter. The debt would be larger, what with vastly increased social programs, only to address the "root cause" of terrorism we'd have prescription drug programs for terrorists. Steigerwald, you're a fool.

What "IF"
there were no %#$*&$% Liberal's!????

Gored
Well, if Gore had a free hand, a lot fewer people would read your article, because not many would want to use their precious electricity ration downloading & reading it. This economy we have now would have been the Roaring 20's + the Dot-Com Boom compared to the national permanent 1960's East Berlin we would have faced (& still could face) under the "climate change" fascist regime.

I always thought it was funny Gore didn't run on the "global warming" issue he championed; indeed he didn't mention it in the campaign. If there was so much popular support for it, wouldn't it have put him over the top, Florida or not? Or, heh, maybe not.

But, as you point out, with a Pres Gore, the GOP probably would have opposed his zaniness & kept control of Congress instead of squandering their inning blowing $$$, & passing every idiotic thing John McCain & leftist Demmie Senators could dream up, that GWB couldn't grow the backbone to veto.

Gore could, however, as POTUS unilaterally continue giving tech secrets as well as our whole manufacturing economy to Red China. It's RC's economic boom at our expense ( & India's boom, too) that's driving up market demand & market oil prices.

How much less do you REALLY think oil would cost today under "President Gore?" How many more fields would he open for exploration? How many more US refineries & pipelines would he allow to be built? How much less fuel & $$$ would get diverted into ethanol & other counterproductive screwball tangents?

What would have been the alternative to going into Iraq? Remember, Hussein was given an ultimatum to "come clean" & he refused. Do we back down & signal we won't actually enforce the sanctions, while he conspires w/ Russia, Germany, & France to evade them, & ejects weapons inspectors? Given the situation, either he's stopped, or allowed to go.

"Deploring" it
"Not everything would have been perfect under President Gore, of course."

That's right. 50,000,000 people would have died in the ensuing world war because we didn't stop Saddam, just like what happened when we didn't stop Hitler when it would have been much less costly.

"When 9/11 occurred, he too probably would have gone to Afghanistan to topple the Taliban and destroy al-Qaida's training camps."

No he wouldn't. He'd STILL be wringing his hands and "deploring" it, which is about all that any liberal can do about aggression.


Anyone but Bush...
Heck, I'd have taken Dole or McCain or even Quayle.

In fact, I've concluded that it's almost never a good thing to have congress and the presidency controlled by the same party. Whether democrat or republican.
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