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Tuesday, June 19, 2007
Bill Murchison :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Executive Pay Brouhaha
by Bill Murchison
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No one has the least idea how much money a corporate chief executive deserves to earn -- is that the word, "earn"? -- but if you don't hear a campaign issue starting to crackle and sizzle, you just aren't listening.

Here's the operative point: Chief executive officers on average earn 179 times as much as their ordinary workers.

Here's another operative point: Voters can be persuaded by diligent political effort to dislike and despise not just the recipients of this largesse, but also, more to the point politically, those who enable it. Aha! Republicans. That's what Democratic strategists are thinking. Who encourages and benefits from these outrageous levels of pay? Those whom the plain folks' party, the Democrats, seek to oust from the White House.

I don't blame the Democrats, really, for looking with such interest at an issue that plays in Peoria and everywhere else, namely, The Unfairness of Wealth Distribution. No issue is older in human experience.

The divide between rich and, well, let's say, less rich is a given in the politics and culture of all nations and societies. It has scriptural associations: Dives and Lazarus, rich young rulers, God vs. Mammon. Dickens used Ralph Nickleby, Ebenezer Scrooge, the Marquis St. Evremonde to wonderful effect. We are bred to wonder at or resent the gap -- size undefined -- that exists between the rich and, yes, us, plain old ordinary us. No wonder politicians use the wealth gap as leverage. For one thing, there aren't nearly as many of the rich as there are of us.

Well, as I say get ready, Stock and stock options, at a time of rampant bull-ism on Wall Street, helped the chief executives of the Fortune 500 to average 38 percent increases in compensation last year, for an estimated total take of $7.5 billion.

I know. Seven point five billion!!! It isn't ... it isn't it just isn't fair . So Mrs. Clinton and her consultants, after she snags the presidential nomination, may be counted on to inform us next year, (notwithstanding that she and her husband, a long way removed from real estate deals in the Arkansas backcountry, may be worth a combined $25 million).

It isn't fair? Maybe not. What is fair? That's the question. What's fair, and especially, who gets to decide?

Minds do and should boggle at the notion of multimillion-dollar paydays. Minds should boggle a great deal more at the notion that: "fairness" and "equity" are determinants in the matter of compensation. Marketplace economies don't work this way, based as they are, and properly so, on the right and risks of choice.

If we're going to have a free marketplace -- and does anyone have a better suggestion? -- we have to recognize the right of a particular company to decide, among many other things, how much a particular executive is worth -- and pay him or her accordingly.

Stockholders don't have to like it. What they have liberty to do is work for a change in policy: more "rational" pay or whatever else comes to mind. The main thing is that the executive should earn his keep -- whatever the size of that keep.

In the end it comes down to: Who says such-and-such level of compensation isn't fair, the marketplace or the government? The government? How, pray, does a public institution know the means of sorting out non-governmental questions, such as how best to make a company run?

It comes to something else: the need for what we might call moral restoration, whereunder the massaging of ego and the raising of palaces is a slighter priority than it seems to have become. Who needs these big bucks the companies dole out? Fewer maybe than any of us suppose -- even those of us who acknowledge a company's right to do whatever is normally perceived as honest. Is "more, more, more" the formula we wish our culture as a whole to endorse and pursue in all circumstances? Or in some circumstances is "less" -- less house, less car, less jewelry -- a goal worth civilized and nonpolitical discussion?

Could be. Just don't expect much talk about it in a presidential year.

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Identification With the Aggressor
Most of the posters to this thread are hotly defending the right of very well-compensated executives to be paid mega-bucks. I wonder how many of the posters fit into that category---let's say, an annual salary in excess of $20 million. If not, why are they defending this? It's like the peasants defending the aristocracy.

Politicians are criminals, can we send..
them to Iraq. We need to run them out of the capitol, run them out, they are criminals. They sell out our country for money. They pocket $100k, or a trip to Vegas, and now they are free to sell out my country. Saudi Arabia is sending/or sent $5 billion dollars to our country for PR purposes, so they say. What they means is dollars for the purpose of lining the silk pockets of our politicians we elected. They swore to uphold our precious constituiton, our way of life. They are the elite, they know what our country needs, it does not matter that we are begging and threatening to vote them out. Elite politicians bound for a hot hell, if they have souls.

What about politicians' pay?
At least executives of companies generally are part of an organization that is contributing to society - employing people, delivering products, generally contributing to the economy.

Politicians on the other hand are generally part of organizations - government - that are not contributing to society comparable to the resources they consume - taxes in particular.

I'll take an overpaid executive over a wasteful, borrowing, incompetent politican any day.

Let's be honest
Who here has bought stock because he or she wanted a say in how the company was run and how much the CEO was paid? Was that the reason?

I have owned stock for more than 30 years. I bought all of it as an investment. Plain and simple, I wanted to take X amount of money and grow it into X + Y amount of money. The stock market remains the No. 1 way to make money in my opinion.

All of us who own stock do have the chance to express our support for (or against) executive pay, as well as about 100 other items. If you vote "no" and you get out-voted by the yesses -- well, that's the nature of owning only 100 or 1,000 shares of stock, as several people have pointed out. When the pie is cut into 1,000,000 pieces and you own 3, you can't expect much of a say.

Executive pay is probably out of line in some cases. But the last thing the U.S. needs right now is Congress -- at least half of which staunchly refuses to listen to its constituents, evidenced by S. 1348 -- thinking that private enterprise and CEO salaries are things that the government should regulate. Loco said it best at 1:07 p.m.

A simple question for the critical
What does a CEO's job entail? How does he/she spend his/her day?

Since 99.999% of you can't answer that question, how in the heck do you think that you can have any idea what they are worth to the company?

Also, as far as the criticism of the CEO of Home Depot getting the large payout despite the stock price falling - what proof do any of you have that the stock price wouldn't have fallen even more if it weren't for his leadership?

COMMIES NEED TO REALIZE
Executives DO NOT set their own pay. The stockholders determine the pay scale. The company is owned by the stockholders-ergo they can pay whatever they want

CEO pay no problem for the Right
It's obvious that conservatives should have no criticisms of corporate CEO salaries. This is because, according to classical economics (and its present-day variants), the very idea of a "fair" or a "just" salary has no intelligible meaning. Believing that salaries are determined solely by market conditions, the mainstream economist simply has no place for ethical or political criticisms of anyone's salary. There are no salaries that are "too large" or others that are "too small," except from the purely subjective standpoint of someone's bias or ideology. Just remember that, conservatives, and this whole problem will go away. Only people on the left worry about such things, anyway.

How much Income tax is paid?
You read so many articles that talk about the millions paid to CEO’s, athletes, artists, columnists, actors, and on and on, but why don’t any of those articles include a comment on the amount of income tax that might have been deducted and/or paid on that sum of money.

And on to the fact that if the person who received millions of dollars does not bury it in his backyard, it is either spent and sales tax is paid, or placed in a financial account of some kind, and is available to loan to people who want to buy a house, buy a car, pay a columnist, or what ever, and on and on and on.

I have always thought that the large payments is just a way of keeping score. A person with $400,000,000 does not live any different from one with $700,000,000.

The most overpaid in my mind are the Hollywood types. Haven't been to a movie (haven't heard of one worth seeing) since 1980, so I don't pay much to them.

But the main thing I ever complained about is that I never was one who received all those dollars.

They Also Own the Government
Steve O misses the point. The multinational corporations also quite effectively run the federal and international governments. Ever hear of the "Federal" Reserve? At least in the past we had a "choice" between a Morgan flunky and a Rockefeller flunky for president. Now with Chase and Morgan nicely merged into one entity, we only get a "choice" between two bought off fools, both owned by the same plutocrats. I suppose that the political and economic systems are going to stay stable despite a growing resentment among the peonage over a situation where they are being shafted and becoming increasingly resentful. It is very dangerous and foolish to incite envy. Go back and read the classics. Democracies are inherently unstable because they oscillate between the control of the wealthy and the poor. That is, they are taken over by oligarchs, and then demagogues rise to power promising to redistribute the ill-gotten gains of the wealthy among the populace. Machiavelli also mentions this in the Prince, so Steve O and his ilk might have read this in business school. On a more modern note, this is the model that Putin used to rise to power and consolidate it in Russia. He drove out a bunch of corrupt oligarchs who had been looting the populace for incredible material gain. Think the same thing cannot happen here? Guess again. Re-distributive populism did not die here with the assassination of Huey Long. Others can rise to power, also. Why give them the facts necessary to incite the public to envy? In a democratic regime, especially in a democratic republic it is most wise to live modestly, even if you are wealthy.

It's none of your business
... what other people make, unless YOU employ them.

Period.

We are a capitalistic society
and it has done us well. Government needs to quit meddling in the private sector and while at it encouragaging "the hate the rich" philosphy. Our system has allowed us the best standard of living in the world. Hands off!

$400+ Million Parachute
When the CEO of ExxonMobil retired last year, his golden parachute was in excess of $400 million.

Running an oil company is pretty simple because there's virtually no competition. Gasoline is a commodity and all companies charge almost identical prices. There's no way an oil company can lose money because they simply raise prices, knowing people have to purchase their product. With that business model, the only question is how much higher this year's record profit will be.

Compare that to being CEO of an auto company, where you can actually fail if you introduce poor quality products, do a poor job marketing good products or have a bad dealer network.

Liberals, Communists, and Idiots
I know I'm being redundant, but you are out in full regalia today. Fly those colors!

lilly, and others,

You don't have much say in how large multinational corporations are run because you have only a tiny, tiny, tiny ownership in the company. How do you feel about your level on input in running the COUNTRY? Besides, you don't sound like you could run an ice-cream cart, so the fact that your voice is a tiny one is probably of benefit to the company.

Salaries are set by representatives of the shareholders. Yes, there are cases of abuse, and cases where the representatives do a poor job of setting pay levels, and in those cases the shareholders suffer until they get better representatives. Try to convince me that someone in Washington can do a better job. Maybe they can do a better job regulating every aspect of production while they are at it. Somebody should try THAT system and see how well it works.

There is a market for talent, and the top performers are worth a LOT more than the middle of the field. Somebody running a Fortune 50 company can add or destroy BILLIONS of dollars in shareholder value. Are you seriously telling me that if you were the 100% owner of a company worth $30 Billion, that you wouldn't pay an extra couple of $ million in order to hire the best you could find?

Now, those proposing regulation of such pay aren't suggesting that we start with athletes, trial lawyers, and moviestars in Hollywood, are they? That tells you something.

But rest easy. Even if Congress were to pass some idiotic limit, or "luxury tax" on employees, it will be interesting to see if they can limit the ability for companies to hire their CEO as an independent contractor.

Some folks ....
make the Big Bucks and others struggle. Isn't it bad enough that the government tampers with the money supply and creates tax laws that are socially agenda driven; and we want more government involvement?

I suspect that the governments: Federal, State and Local are a bigger threat to freedom than Al-Quaida. If we didn't have foreign boogey men, they would have to be invented.

The only thing that I would like Hillary and the rest to do is Go Away! Don't Go Away Mad! Just Go Away!

My garbage man and doctor do more for humanity in a few hours than these creeps, (politicos), can do in their entire lives.

Impeach Ralf Schumacher!
Ralf Schumacher, who only got to drive in F1 for the last four years (he was pretty good before that) because his brother happened to be a household name, has done nothing but destroy very expensive automobiles belonging to his employer and to competitors. Before coming to Canada he was told that he must step up his game or look for other work. He continued to take out other cars with impunity.

Ralf Schumacher makes $20 million per year.

There are only 21 seats available in Formula One. Why is Ralf Schumacher in one of them?

If you want to talk about people who are overpaid, I say we focus on Ralf Schumacher before we worry about the CEO of any private company.

And once we get him out of that Toyota, let's talk about Mats Sundin, who makes $12,000 per MINUTE doing absolutely nothing to advance the Toronto Maple Leafs into the playoffs at all, much less toward the Stanley Cup.

Thank you.

Thanks for the Laugh!
Beowulf has obviously never owned much stock. Every year I get a bunch of proxy statements about the annual meeting. Each of them contains at least 10 pages devoted to incentive packages for the upper executive ranks. I have worked at a fair number of corporations. I have never been awarded a single stock option. My incentive package was once summed up well by my boss: "If you bust your a$$ today, we might let you in the plant door tomorrow to bust it again." See, this aligned my interest with those of the shareholders, and it took only one sentence, not 10 pages of hogwash to express it. I always vote no, and my thousand or so votes are always swamped by those the board and the executives award themselves. Corporate governance is a cartel. The shareholders and employees are getting screwed. SJ_DOC is absolutely correct. When top executives screw up, they are still awarded ridiculous bonuses because it might have been even worse without "that superb leadership" at the top. If a corporation does not pay at least a fair market rate of dividends, its shares are really nothing more than high priced baseball cards. I can hardly blame the Democrats for playing the envy card in this, if the Republicans and their corporate masters are foolish enough to open themselves up to it. Envy is the vice of democracy. For those open to discussion of this, and are not blinded by libertarian ideology, I recommend Helmut Schoeck's fine book on this from Liberty Fund. Greed and envy are both deadly sins, and one incites the other. The more I ponder this, the more I come to understand and respect the Church's ancient teachings on usury. We ignore them at great peril.

A Large Corporation...
...that is publicly traded on the Big Board, is like a peacetime army. Those who are promoted are those who will do the most for those who promote them and not necessarily for the good of the company. It's also necessary to have some "old school" ties in the peacetime military. West Point and Annapolis are just as necessary in the military as Harvard, Princeton and Yale are necessary in business.

The real quality of leadership will only emerge in wartime or bankruptcy.

As for the makeup of a board of directors, their collective share of stocks in any public company - as distinct from a private company - should not exceed 49%.

Hypocritical Millionaires
01. Billary Clinton worth $25,000,000.00
02. John Edwards worth $30,000,000.00

Yet these two will campaign using The Same Tired Old Liberal/Communist Class Warfare rhetoric and The Moonbat Base will swallow this tripe unquestioningly. Hey Moonbats, how many of you can afford a $400.00 haircut or a 30,000 square foot home. Yet, these two are the top contenders for the Dimwits Nominating Communists?!

Democrats blame others for their mistake
Back in 1993, a little reported law was passed by the then Democrat congress and signed by then Democrat president Clinton that effectively limited corporate exectutive salaries to $1 million. Basically, the law is a change to the corporate tax code that prohibits any pay above $1 million to be deducted from corporate revenues as an expense.

The rationale for this law was to bring under control the "excessive" pay of corporate executives, and to also force more of their compensation to be based upon company performance than a guaranteed salary (read: their pay ought be based upon stocks and stock opions).

Well, like every single Democratic proposal, it backfired. Bigtime.

Total corporate compensation, which is made up almost EXCLUSIVELY of stocks and stock options, are at all time highs. So much for controlling that "excessive" pay.

Furthermore, that law can DIRECTLY be tied to the corporate scandals of the late '90s and early '00s, as corporate executives were all too happy to fudge the numbers simply to prop up stock prices -- something they would have had NO incentive to do previously.

This is yet another example of the law of unintended consequences. But of course Democrats -- both elected andthose who are stupid enough to elect them -- feel it is better to do SOMETHING to fix a perceived problem -- even if a first grader is smart enough to realize that their "something" would only result in making their "problem" worse -- than it is to do nothing at all.

RE: lilly
"Who gets to decide how much the CEO gets paid? Not the stockholders, for sure. I have NEVER received a piece of mail asking my opinion, advice, or counsel on that subject from any outfit in which I have had holdings."

So either you really aren't a stock holder, therefore you don't know what you are talking about, our you are a flat out liar.

Stock holders determine who is on the board of directers, who, in turn decide who the executives are and what their pay is.

To claim that you have no power over how much CEOs make in the corporations that you hold stock for is the very same as saying you have no power over what laws are passed in congress. You elect board of director members, just as you elect congressmen.

To moonbat exterminator
Wrong again, ME. Speaking as one who "wails over CEO pay" I am equally appalled by the amount of money paid to athletes and entertainers.

At the other end of the scale, our Supreme Court has just ruled that the practical nurse who takes care of your ancient grandma, bathing her and feeding her and cleaning up the bed when Grannie is incontinent of stool and urine, is not legally entitled to overtime pay. So if you are hiring shifts of nurses to take care of Grannie and the second shift caregiver's car breaks down en route to work and she's unavoidably two hours late, the first shift is asked to donate two hours of her time gratis.

If you were a Martian who had just arrived on Earth and you were trying to figure out how things work here, what would YOU think when you saw that those who take care of our elderly, our sick, our disabled, and our children are paid at the level of servants? While meanwhile the man who figures out how to sell more plastic widgets---or the man who can hit a ball farther than some other man---or sing dirty lyrics more loudly than some other man---is paid an amount of money that would have embarrassed King Midas?

On CEO Pay in the US
Who gets to decide how much the CEO gets paid? Not the stockholders, for sure. I have NEVER received a piece of mail asking my opinion, advice, or counsel on that subject from any outfit in which I have had holdings. And from what I've read, the decision is made by a small group of directors who are in a sweetie relationship with the top. We hear that a CEO must be rewarded for "increasing wealth", but compensation is not necessarily related to performance, either---we have all read egregious examples of terrible leaders who were shown the door while getting gargantuan departure packages that were negotiated at the time of hiring because the guy wouldn't sign unless he was promised large money when he left, regardless of the circumstances of his departure. Raise your hand if you've ever said, at a job interview, "If I louse up and you fire me, you have to give me a big bonus because otherwise I won't come to work here". Now, those of you who said that, raise your hands if it worked.

BTW do a bit of googling and you will learn that CEO compensation in the United States is many, many, many times higher than in any other industrialized nation (think Japan, think Belgium). Guys are getting they money they are getting here because they've built up a culture saying they deserve it, and part of that culture is the ethos that to criticize CEO pay is to be in favor of Socialism. Catholics aren't supposed to criticize the Vatican, liberals aren't supposed to criticize affirmative action, and Republicans aren't supposed to criticize business.

I maintain that no human being is worth $85 million a year.

But Exterminator....
entertainment and sports aren't buying Congress off to pass "comprehensive immigration" laws against our wishes. I believe in free market, but if this law passes... I'll be torn because I think big business is a big part of the drive to ruin America. Cheap labor = unsecured borders.

Steve L.
You may have hit on the demogogary behind big labor's objections to CEO pay, but the real numbers don't add up. Recently, there was a large public outcry over the severance package given to the former CEO of Home Depot, but had the company taken the money paid to this guy and divided equally between the rest of the comapany's employees in the form of a raise for a year, each of them would have recieved less than $12 per week.
On a side note, how many of the wailers over CEO pay have no problem with the enormous incomes of sports and entertainment celeberities.

Jobs Americans will do!

This is all about greed
Greed by the employees. They see every dollar being paid to someone else as a dollar not being paid to them. It doesn't matter how much the CEO is paid, the average worker thinks it's too much. They don't want to see reductions in CEO pay to make prices lower for consumers. They want them so that they can get paid more.

That's the real deal here.

The Pointy-Haired Boss and his plunder
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The problem with the massive "compensation packages" delivered by corporate boards of directors to the various executives of big American companies is just what the hell are these guys being compensated *FOR*?

Is it what they know? *Who* they know? How hard they work? How "smart" they work?

Let's face it, folks. These executives - from the CEO down through the ranks - are not owners or proprietors who have brought to any of their corner offices any sort of real investment in the prosperity or profitability of the corporate enterprises they supposedly captain.

They can (and do) walk away at any time they damn' well choose, golden parachutes wafting them gently to earth, always - and I mean *ALWAYS* - better off after bailing out than they ever were before they climbed aboard.

Rise or fall, climb or crash, whatever the outcomes of their maneuvers and machinations, the number of such executives who suffer any sort of material damage as the result of their peculiar ineptitudes, vanities, and cupidities is spectacularly, vanishingly small.

Even when they lose, they win.

Jeez, at least in a Central American dictatorship, us "little people" sometimes get the chance to put El Caudillo up against a wall and shoot him to death. Here in Norteamerica, he heads off to Florida with his second or third trophy wife and a crock of cash fit to make Tony Soprano's favorite attic insulation look like pocket change.

Look, these overstuffed beneficiaries of the Dilbert Principle are nothing more than corporate employees. They're not repositories of special knowledge, they're not possessors of special skills. They can't even get through nine holes of golf without a couple of mulligans. What the hell are they good for?

If they're not paid enough (we're told), their companies can't retain them.

Yep, and if you don't hold onto that cinder block real tight as you're swimming across the river, you might actually keep your head above water.

What damage would a big corporation suffer if they were to hire people on talent and ability rather than empty suits with Really Nice Hair and Ivy League diplomas?

Big bureaucracis - even in the private sector - tend (by Pournelle's Iron Law) to eventually get taken over by people who devote all their time to advancing themselves into positions of power, shoving out the people who keep their attention fixed on doing what the company is supposed to do for its customers.

And that's what has happened in corporate America over the past fifty years. The producers have been displaced by the manipulators, and if you feel just a wee bit as if these big corporate salaries are a manifest of cultural Onanism - a lot of groaning and spasms with no prospect of anything but a smelly embarrassment staining the national trousers - you're not far off the mark.

Now, how do we put an end to all this self-abuse?
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There's only one problem...
The only problem with that line of thinking is much like the problem we have in Washington right now. I've been to several shareholder meetings and voted my shares accordingly, however, my miniscule 1000 shares don't hold much weight when compared to the boards millions of shares. The actual shareholders don't really have a say in what happens in the company, the board makes all the decisions. Much like the amnesty bill talked about right now in the Senate. Lott and his cronies actually have the nerve to get up on stage and tell the people that vote him in to office that they are all bigots and racists if they don't agree with him. He after all is the professional politician and knows better than any of his constituents. Sorry if I'm rambling but I am just so incensed about this legislation. Anyway, back on topic, no the government should not be trying to regulate ceo pay. It's none of their buisness. However, I believe that shareholders need to have a bigger say in what goes on in the company.
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