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Wednesday, August 27, 2008
Ben Shapiro :: Townhall.com Columnist
Barack Obama's Big Mistake: Successfully Distributing His Message
by Ben Shapiro
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Campaigns usually collapse because of gaffes -- off-the-cuff actions that accidentally reveal the true nature of candidates. And the Barack Obama campaign has had more than its share of revealing gaffes: Obama's statement that rural voters turn to God, guns and racism because they have no jobs; his explanation that proper tire gauge use would fix high gas prices; his self-aggrandizing exhortation that he has "become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions"; his associations with Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko; the list goes on and on.

But gaffes are not the real reason for the stagnation of the Obama campaign. That stagnation is due to one factor: successful distribution of the Obama message.

Gaffes highlight the discrepancy between the message a campaign seeks to push and the message the campaign actually believes. When Americans recognize such discrepancies, they sense dishonesty and vote against it.

In certain rare cases, however, campaigns are killed not by gaffes, but by success: a campaign carefully plans, produces, and pushes its message, and the American people reject that message. George McGovern's campaign was honest, open and diligent. And Richard Nixon trounced him because Americans did not like his message.

The last several weeks demonstrate one vital fact: The Barack Obama campaign is floundering not because of gaffes, but because of its success. They have portrayed their candidate and his message precisely the way they want to. They have controlled every media situation. They have not been plagued by a rash of mistakes in the last few weeks. The Obama campaign is drowning because Americans simply do not like the message.

The last months should have been a boon for the Obama camp. Obama began with a five-point lead in the Gallup daily tracking polls. He traveled to the Middle East, meeting with Muslim and Jewish leaders. He spoke repeatedly in Europe to throngs of wildly cheering crowds. He returned to the United States, and, after taking a well-deserved break, picked a vice presidential candidate, voluble Senator Joe Biden. He then embarked on a four-day commercial in the form of the Democratic National Convention.

And as of Tuesday afternoon, Barack Obama was trailing John McCain in the Gallup daily tracking polls.

Obama trails because Americans do not like his message. His ill-advised European victory tour illustrated his elitism and international identity. His choice of Joe Biden exhibited his comfortableness with arrogance, his vindictiveness (in not even considering Hillary Clinton) and his lack of confidence in his own experience.

And then there was the opening of the Democratic National Convention. His wife, Michelle Obama, spoke. Michelle has undergone a makeover. When last we saw her, she was insisting that her husband's triumphant candidacy represented the first time she was proud of her country during her adult life.

When she emerged onto the stage in Denver on Monday night, her hair was less wiry, her attire more feminine, her message more rehearsed. She focused on her own humble upbringing. She focused on her husband's qualities as a father. She talked about hope and change.

And then she said this: "And as I tuck [my] little girl and her little sister into bed at night, I think about how one day, they'll have families of their own. And one day, they -- and your sons and daughters -- will tell their own children about what we did together in this election. They'll tell them how this time we committed ourselves to building the world as it should be."

This is the message the Obamas want. It is the message the DNC wants. And it is the message Americans do not like. We do not want to hear a would-be savior's wife inform us that by voting for her husband, we join a historic and messianic movement. We do not want to hear about how the president must dedicate himself to "building the world as it should be."

We want a president who is confident, not arrogant; competent, not grandiose; a reshaper, not a remaker. We want a president who does not dismiss the abortion question as "above my pay grade" while embracing world transformation as a proper goal. We want a statesman, not a quasi-religious figure.

Moments define campaigns. By minimizing mistakes, candidates hope they can maximize their chances of victory. The problem for Barack Obama is that it isn't his mistakes that are killing him -- it's his triumphs of marketing and messaging that are destroying him. Every time he gets out his message, he loses voters. And that's a recipe for electoral disaster.

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Excellent analysis!
One of the best I've seen to date. We all somehow know that somehow the Dems are at it again--doing themselves in and losing yet another winnable election. Shapiro puts his finger on the key reason why.
(Guarantee: after Obama loses, and the first "scholarly" books come out dissecting the election, NONE of the dynamics highlighted in this column will be even referenced by the liberal "experts".....)

I Concur--very well said.
My typical response to the Obamassiah's so-called message: "Good grief!"

The truth shall set us free
I couldn't agree more, but how to get the word to the unwashed masses that only want my money so they won't have to produce? They don't read this stuff. They just automatically vote Dem because that's how their family always votes. It provides funds they didn't earn. Someone once said that democracy would survive until the masses found they can vote money from the treasury, or words to that effect.
Keith Williams

"...above my pay grade..?
The Obama message is scary to anyone who is not on welfare and pays taxes.

I agree that Obama's "... above my pay grade.." comment about human rights for a fetus reveals the disconnect he has with the reality of life. He professes to be capable of redeeming the globe but refuses to take a position in defense of the unborn.



Aint God Great
I believe this is the crucial election for America in the 1st quarter of the 21st century.

I left a post on another thread that a friend of mine who has probably the only "Biden for President" sticker between Houston and Louisiana will not vote for Obama-Biden. The black lady who sits next to me at work has said for 2 mths, there is something wrong with B.O.

No matter what else ails our country, the ONLY 2 issues which will determine the future of America are the World War on Radical Islam and Abortion.

And on both of those issues B.O. is a typical no-nuthin, uncaring, self-obsessed, Liberal.

About a month ago, I and millions of other Christians, prayed for God to give B. O. a case of motor-mouth. Because we know the more he talks, the less anyone will like him. And ain't God Great. B.O. won't shut up.

His numbers are down because this election is about Obama.

Keep talking B.O.

Recovering Liberal

I know B.O. when I smell it.

During the 18? 23? debates
I fervently wished that our primary season were shorter; that there might be, say, 3 regionals so I could vote from among 10 candidates instead of having to default to a 2nd or 3rd choice by Super Tuesday.

But it has been the length of this campaign that has been a real blessing.

The more he talks, the more the usual uninformed voter recoils from what he says he will bring to us.

Mr. Shapiro has said it better. Right on the money.

Thanks, Ben...
and by the way, when are you going to run for office?

Great column
Ben sometimes a column validates what so many people think from the first word to the last you did this for me today. thank you

Been There Heard That
I have a number of younger friends (in their middle 20s) who sometimes come out with their confident vision of the way the world should work, and invariably are disappointed to find out that someone else thought of it all long ago and that there is documentation available to show why it did not (and could not) work.

Obama is bleating the same rubbish I heard in my junior year at university (in 1968) and apparently whatever he has been doing since then has left no time for reading contemporary history.

Not too long ago I went to The Gap in search of something I could wear, and discovered that their NEW FOR FALL! line is pretty much what I was wearing in 1968. Listening to Obama and looking at the NEW! for 2008-09, I am wondering if the real answer he seeks is the one that James Earle Jones gave to Kevin Costner in *Field of Dreams*: BACK! BACK! GO BACK TO THE SIXTIES! THERE IS NO PLACE FOR YOU HERE IN THE FUTURE!

As always, right on target...
...and exceptionally written!
Ben,
You get your message across with clarity without having us run to the dictionary like Buckley or Tyrrell always seemed to do.
And I believe you are exactly correct - this 'save the world' message is NOT what the United States wants. We need to save the United States - the problem is that most of Mainstream America (flyover country) has watched the US suffer and suffer greatly precisely BECAUSE idiot dipsticks like Pelosi claim they are 'trying to save the planet'. Back in 2004, this was the turning point that did John kerry in - when he made that crack about having to 'pass a global test'. Killed him dead right then and there.

AudiR10
Excellent, excellent analogy! What's so funny is that I was in the store last week with my daughter and I commented - this isn't new, they just changed the color and the material! Your post makes me realize that the DNC did just that, gave us the old socialism crap with a new color and seemingly new material.
You know, CERN, that particle accelerator, is coming on line Sept. 10 - I know some are worried about it, BUT I am kind of hopeful that it will allow us to send all the socialist/commies back to the 60s.


vindictiveness?
"...his vindictiveness (in not even considering Hillary Clinton)..."

I say that this is one of his rare displays of sound judgment.

After they lose this election, too
The Dems will immediately fall back on their three basic excuses;

1. The American People Are Stupid, And Do Not Vote In Their Own Best Interests (The "What's The Matter With Kansas?" excuse);

2. The Evil Republicans Stole The Election (aka the "Send In The Lawyers- We'll SUE Our Way Into The Oval Office" gambit); and of course their oldest alibi

3. Our Message Didn't Get Out!!

They have controlled the news media for fifty-plus years, they get free advertising at taxpayers' expense (it's called PBS and NPR), and even Hollywood is in their corner 24/7.

But when the rest of America tells them, "No Thank You", they claim that We Just Don't Get It.

We saw the same thing after the '94 election, when Clinton & Co.'s policies (raise taxes/ban guns/gut the military/etc.) lost them control of Congress for the first time in four decades. And yet again, they claimed we "didn't understand what they were trying to do".

Actually, we understood perfectly. That's why we booted them.

But as far as I can tell, "progressives" are incapable of saying this phrase;

"OK, maybe our brilliant plan wasn't so brilliant after all. Let's try something else. What would YOU like us to do?"

Because in their minds, they are never, EVER, wrong.

And that's the problem.

clear ether

eon

names
I would not vote for a presidential hopeful/Obama/ who has named his daughter "Sasha".

endless cycle
Every time Obama opens his beak, he gives Americans another reason not to vote for him. His list of gaffes is dizzying. If this election is so winnable for dems, then this proves they are the most arrogant, selfish, stubborn, untrustworthy party in politics.

All they really needed was a moderate(McCain) and they would have this election wrapped up. But the party is so far to the left now that if Obama agrees with McCain on one issue, he alienates the core of his base, i.e. environmentalists, pacifists, race baiters, radical gays and feminists. Hey dems, stop kowtowing to nutjobs and you may win the presidency again one day.

Hmm
The irony here is that If Ben is accurate in his assessment, he is saying that Obama is basically honest and open; and that this election is taking the high road.

Excellent article
Isn't it ironic that the secular humanist party the dims seem to have selected someone so surrounded by religous verbiage and symbols. They have a candidate who speaks unendingly of his faith. They keep telling us how we will all be trnnsformed, delivered and we will remake the world. What happened to the lib doctrine of keeping relgion out of the public square?

eon
There’s irony for you too. I’ve been reading these same excuses (and responses) on TH explaining how the Republicans lost the house and how Obama might win. Except for the obvious opposition on the issues, I am always amazed at the similarities between conservative and liberal bloggers.

Abortion WILL come up again
The majority of Americans are opposed to abortion, but most liberals will never vote for a pro-life candidate. If Obama wants to win the mainstream, he must pretend to be pro-life. If he wants his base to get out and vote, he must show his true colors and be pro-abortion. Democrats have straddled this issue for a long time now. Obama said this was above his pay grade. If you are president, nothing is above your pay grade.

Obama supports the right of a woman to kill her child right up to the day of delivery. And if she fails, he supports her right to kill her baby anyway. That shows his true colors. He will want to keep those under wraps.

He is also a Marxist, condemning individualism, condemning those who think they can work their way up, condemning those who want less government. His economic plan? Raise taxes (no, not on wage-earners, on wage payers and commodity producers,) and increase spending. Can you spot the problem with that? Why will people not listen to him? Because he is the most radical major party presidential contender EVER.

Of course!
Where have I been? Wishing McCain were this or that, so that I could really feel good about the man...then, from out of the fog, the answer: SANTORUM on the ticket.
McCain/Santorum
That is the best yet. Rick to fill the McCain holes. Now there is the ticket I can feel great about! Thank you, Olivastro.

INSIGHTFUL ANALYSIS
Oblahma is a Marxist socialist who is bent on destroying capitalism and dedicated to income redistribution.
Obama voted THREE times for the killing of babies born alive in attempted abortions. That's cowardly and barbaric, showing a sickening disregard for life.
Obama's voting for the murder of babies born alive after attempted abortions speaks to his total lack of character.
Whatever is behind Obama's mask makes Darth Vader look like Mrs. Butterworth.
Oblahma's "performance" at Saddleback was pathetic - he wasn't "nuanced", he was disingenuous. He wasn't "cautious", he was dissembling. He wasn't "genuine and intellectual", he was specious and equivocal. He had no direct answers because he has no moral/ethical center - no personal core values - he uses and discards - he weighs and colors what others want to hear and what he can say without saying anything. He is a liar.
Obamanation has NO record of achievement and is nothing more than a sleazy self-centered deceptive Chicago politician.
O's record shows him to be a yellow-bellied coward, unfit for any office. If this is all the Dems have to offer, they might as well set fire to their "big tent."
And Biden???
Hope and Change is now Dope and Fumble.

pfft
Change, Change, Unicorns, and Change. What's not to love?

scarlettsnow: You are spot on! And even

those who might not realize that Marxist Obama is in fact a Socialist/Marxist/Communist, they at least inherently "know" there is something in Marxist Obama and his message that will take us in the opposite direction of what our Founding Fathers intended.

What amazes me, however, as I watch the dem convention, is how many people actually DO buy into Obama's Marxism.


Shapiro's Spin is Dizzying..lmao
the column is laughable..it is a piece of rnc propaganda that totally mischaraterizes a series of events that are totally misconnected to paint a picture that is totally inaccurate.

Obama's campaign is floundering? that is a joke..a bad one at that to anyone who really believes it.

the dems convention has been flawless thus far and obama is running a great campaign. mccain is gonna lose bigtime.

Wonder Boy, Ben Shapiro nails it!
Hey, Ben! You've hit it again! Obama started out as a "hope and change" candidate, who supposedly will come together -- a unity candidate. BULL! It's all a LIE. America is waking up to the deception of the Obama campaign.
AudiR10 -- You cracked me up with the "Field of Dreams" line :-)

Mom in Wisconsin

Consequences
Anne said: "What amazes me, however, as I watch the dem convention, is how many people actually DO buy into Obama's Marxism."

The reason people buy into Socialism/Marxism is that our schools and universities teach it, and our entertainment and news media foster it as normal. Loud and repeated lies become "truth" and anyone who does not agree becomes "evil".

Messages I can live without .....
Messages I can live without! This is why I can never vote for anyone such as Senator Obama. The lack of experience, leadership skills, etc. just reinforces this decision!

Left angle
If you believe all that we have bridge here. It goes from Manhattan to Brooklyn. I can get you a real good deal on it.

IS the message getting out? & who cares?
On Fox & Friends this morning, they had an interview with a few of the "demonstrators" at the Dem convention. They had a poster with photos (good ones, they actually looked like the subjects) of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dick Cheney and a few others. Two young women--who apparently did care enough to travel to Denver--were shown the poster and could not identify ONE of the people in the photos, though one of them vaguely remembered the president shooting one of them.

These are the people who will be choosing our next president. Do you think they care what Obama plans to do to us?

Ben
Great article from a different perspective. No, we Americans don't like being told over and over our country is so bad it needs a Messiah to fix it. We don't need socialism either which is Obama's message.

Rules for Radicals
The line Ben quotes Michelle making at the convention (which she repeated 3 times) is a direct quote from none other than Saul Alinski's screed "Rules for Radical". I guess it reinforces the old adage, you can take the girl out of the Hood, but you can't change an angry, America hating, Marxist, Alinski loving demagogue like Michelle Obama. I mean, geez, they just can't help themselves.

Left Angle is a prime example...
...of those who are so deluded as a consequence of being steeped in the SocMarxCom environment we've allowed to fester in this country.

Dem's convention
What a terrifying spectacle: Democratic National Convention! What a heart warming "Unity" of all people "progressive"!

In his comments after the Hillary speech Terry McAuliffe told Greta on Fox news: Barak and Hillary are both Democrats and this is enough reason for them to go hand-in-hand for the Barak election. He said that any Democrat is better than any Republican.
Does it mean, Terry, that a serial killer voting Democrat is closer to you than a decent hard working family oriented Republican? I saw fanaticism in his eyes, something close to the fires of the Inquisition.

A "democratic" convention with no democracy: no discussions, no dissent opinion. Only "Unity" behind new Fuhrer and world leader. The Party is always right!

So what's left for the Democrats? The only logical thing to do will be to march in a goose step and salute to a new Fuhrer: Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!

A prime example of repub/con Illness
Thank you Winston829 for proving my point that
that the right wing fringe such as yourself are not playing with a full deck..witness this "out to lunch" nonsense.

to wit:

A "democratic" convention with no democracy: no discussions, no dissent opinion. Only "Unity" behind new Fuhrer and world leader. The Party is always right! So what's left for the Democrats? The only logical thing to do will be to march in a goose step and salute to a new Fuhrer: Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!"

Winston get HELP SOON..

Drill Now, Pay Less
Young man: You forgot about this talking point!

We independent types want long term energy security and a more America First set of "bondings" with other folks around the world.

I repeat, LONG TERM security (meaning win-win deals with our enemies with access to home-made homicide bombs--to be used here if necessary).

The devotees of UBL "worship" at a mosque near you and me.

The opinions of 1.4 billion Muslims are of world-historical importance at this juncture in time. (And they hate, not our freedom so much, but our PRESENCE on their sacred soil.)

Our policies are worn out and need and "oil change."

Forget the Small Stuff
When criticizing Obama, the moderate and conservative pundits must get off of the now discarded issues and gaffes by Obama and focus on the REAL issues. Why keep mentioning the good Rev Wright, forget Rezco, the clinging to guns, etc. comment means nothing, tire gauges are old news, etc., etc. By continually mentioning these MINOR issues we take our eye off of the ball and these pundits look silly and petty.

Emphasize what this NEW Dem party and Obama are really advocating and begin emphasizing the consequences of these policies. They are no longer hiding their agenda. Therefore, attack that agenda directly. Forget the small stuff!

A commitment to wealth re-distribution; a promise of a weakened military; plans to appease our enemies; a major expansion of Union powers; a destructive energy policy based on phony global warming; a major expansion of government healthcare; accommodation for teacher's unions to end home schooling and any chance of school choice; etc.

We already know where the NEW Dems stand on social issues, ignore abortion and gay rights and focus on the far leftist agenda that can seriously damage this Republic. Social issues will be with us for the foreseeable future, but we must nip-in-the-bud the NEW Dem move to the far left. These people make traditional liberals look like moderate-conservatives.

left angle
You may not believe it, but I watched personally Communist Conventions (or Party Congress) in the Soviet Union. Exactly the same spectacle. Yes, Party is always right! If you do not understand this you should stop posting, at least on this post. It's above your intelligence level. Go get some political education. The best place to get it today is probably Cuba or North Korea, their reeducation camps. Remember, Communists and National Socialists were Socialists, the Left, exactly what you are.

Lefty
It's really easy to find the Rebub/Cons rule book. It's called the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Despite your hissy fits, these are not living, breathing documents. They are the foundation of our republic that conservatives actually give more than lip service to depending upon the give-away de jour. Unlike Dem/Libs, we don't build our houses on shifting sands but look to the bedrock of our society and God given rights upon which to build.

Look deep in your soul, Lefty and expunge the hammer and sickle that you find there. It will make you much happier. Now there's a site to see. A happy Lib. I suspect you'll find them in the Unicorn aisle or right next to the Loch Ness Monster or Global Warming display.

Left BENT Angle :
No one is hearing "sieg heil!", yet that is indeed the intent behind the intentional deification of The Obamboozler.

There is NO OTHER explanation for The Obamboozler's own words (and I paraphrase...) about the world healing were he to be elected, how he himself represents America, etc. etc....unless you admit his pathological megalomania.

YOU, on the other hand, seem to be stuck on the leftist mantra of "anything that is not Republican" up to and including inexperienced sock puppets touting socialist rot.

Shame on you.

Left angle
Plus, my Communist friend, I'm not a right fringe, not by any means. As a metter of fact I was a member of the Young Communist League in the USSR, every youth was, just like every German youth was a member of the Hitlerugend. So the things you are only learning I have already forgotten.
My sacred wish, for years, was to be able to travel in time, to transfer a naive socialist like you to the Sovit Union of the past; let you live one year in the Socialist paradise.
I guarantee you, you will hate Barak, Hillary and the whole so-called democratic party for life.

Your version of "reality", Left Angle...
...has been shaped by your belief that leftists such as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Al Gore are examples of American patriots who speak the truth. You've been conditioned to buy into the idea that capitalism is evil and that the Bush administration is in league with the devil. The opinions you project here, though undoubtedly sincere, exhibit no original thought. Your characterization of the DNC convention as "flawless" is an expression of wishful thinking with no factual basis.

Fortunately, this country continues to pull center-right and many who were previously lost in the fantasy-land the Obama campaign conjured early on are beginning to stumble into the light. Common sense isn't completely dead yet.

Winston: I'm a AMERICAN
NOT a communist..I believe in democracy, freedom, and god and I AM a democrat firmly planted in reality, which you are not.lol

Your warped aspersions are right at home among the right wing "fringe" lunatics here in th.. what's really scary is you actually "believe" what you are posting. that's cool no problem.

Please explain to me why the RNC,Repub Prez Nominee McCain, the right wing press like FOX NEWS havent been attacking obama or the dems as Marxist, Communist or Socialist or comparing him to Hitler.

Left Angle
OK you say you are an American I believe you, but do you believe in America?

Here are a couple of links for you to give you a refresher of what a Real American believes in, the are called "The Declaration of Independence" and The "United States Consitution"

Me thinks you doth protest too much, which leads me to believe that you have been dumbed down and indoctrinated by the NEA which runs the public school systems. Please follow the links for some much needed enlightenment and have a great day!

http://www.gopusa.com/documents/declaration.shtml

http://www.gopusa.com/documents/constitution.shtml

This election is still in doubt
Before we conservatives write off Obama, perhaps we should notice that the betting on Intrade is still Obama to beat McCain, 60-40. And that the most recent electoral projection still shows Obama with a (narrow) Electoral College majority.

The electorate has their doubts about Obama, definitely. But the polls also show that they also have their doubts about McCain, something Ben Shapiro didn't mention. They may not make up their minds until the October debates.

In 1980, Carter and Reagan were fairly evenly matched at this point in the campaign. Reagan didn't close the sale with the voters till the October debates. And then he won big.


Left Angle sez:
"Please explain to me why the RNC,Repub Prez Nominee McCain, the right wing press like FOX NEWS havent been attacking obama or the dems as Marxist, Communist or Socialist or comparing him to Hitler."

For the same reason that dems do not use those terms to describe themselves. It would not be politically expedient for them to do so.

Listen instead for code words (from both sides) like "progressive", "social justice programs", "income redistribution" - then go read what the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America), the CPUSA (Communist Party U.S.A) and the "People's Weekly World" have to say about "Change" and "Making this into what it should be."

What a Pantload, this Barry O
In January, The Obamassiah told Dartmouth students that they will know to vote for him because -
"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Barack."

Once when asked in an interview what sin is, Barak Hussein Obama defined it as -
"Being out of alignment with my values."

From Michelle, THE WOULD-BE FIRST LADY -

From an interview in the New Yorker -

"Michelle Obama begins with a broad assessment of LIFE IN AMERICA in 2008, and life IS NOT GOOD:"

In her own words - "we’re a divided country, we’re A COUNTRY THAT IS JUST DOWNRIGHT MEAN, we are guided by fear, we’re A NATION OF CYNICS, SLOTHS AND COMPLACENTS."

"Barack Obama is THE ONLY PERSON in this race who understands that, that before we can work on the problems WE HAVE TO FIX OUR SOULS. Our souls are broken in this nation."

"BARAK IS ONE OF THE SMARTEST MEN WE WILL SEE IN OUR LIFETIME."

Such humility!! No Messiah Complex there!
The wife echoes the Narcissistic NObamassiah!!
ROFLMAO


W/O=

SteveL, I don't think anyone here...
...takes a McCain win for granted. Unfortunately, we have our own party divisiveness to consider. Many of us believe there were better choices for GOP nominee, but most (not all) of us will vote for him because do agree that Obama CANNOT be allowed to win this fight.


The PROBLEM IS, Left Angle, and his ilk

are either simply ILL-INORMED or UN-INFORMED, or they just refuse to open their eyes and minds to what Marxist Michelle and Barack are saying.

They refuse to access the links and information that would inform them.

And yet they think that staying ill-informed and un-informed is okay.... because they're AMERICANS.

That does NOT make them Americans. It makes them ILL-Informed and UN-INFORMED, and IRRESPONSIBLE... PERIOD!



Anne: anwer my question
I am well aware of what marxism/socialism/communism are.

what i disagree with is your contention that all democrats and our politicians buy wholeheartedly into those theories of governance, nor do they have some sinister "plot" to overthrow the u.s. government, tear up the u.s. constitution and convert the u.s. government to a one party marxist communist/socialist system.

That is total nonsense. YOU keep insisting that Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi and Reid have such a plot in mind? THEN PROVE IT BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT...

I'm waiting.

Red Head: It wouldnt be expedient?
can you please explain what you mean by that.

Why would it not be EXPEDIENT for Fox News, the RNC, Repub prez nominee McCain and Congressional Republicans to go after the Dems and Obama by calling them Marxist, Socialist and Communist and comparing Obama to Hitler?


Two thoughts
I REALLY liked audi's comment so much it has to be repeated " Listening to Obama and looking at the NEW! for 2008-09, I am wondering if the real answer he seeks is the one that James Earle Jones gave to Kevin Costner in *Field of Dreams*: BACK! BACK! GO BACK TO THE SIXTIES! THERE IS NO PLACE FOR YOU HERE IN THE FUTURE! "

Thank you audi that made my day :)

Secondly the electoral poll still shows Sen Obama with a solid lead in electoral votes.
http://electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Aug27.html

Issues with the polls are that many polled won't actually vote. This fact would typically support Republicans more because many un-informed voters will say they are for Sen Obama but they also won't go to the poll. The flip side of that is the fact that the young vote is overwhelmingly Sen Obama and while many more say they will vote then actually will vote, they are sometimes under-represented in polling data because they are not answering home phones but using text message, internet and cells.

On the other hand Phillies pulled half game ahead of Mets!!!

Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

Why would anyone vote for Barry-O
I have a buddy who is in the UAW. He keeps telling me that Barry H. Obanana is "bringing something new to Washington." I suspect the UAW is feeding him crap and he's eating it up with a big spoon. He is opposed to abortion, hunts and attends a real Christian church regularly. And yet he is stuck on the makebelieve Messiah.

I guess what B. Hussien Obanana is bringing "new" to Washington is Sen. Biden, a 35-year veteran of the Congress; I guess what BHO is bringing "new" to DC is a radical liberal view of abortion, and I guess what the makebelieve Messiah is bringing "new" to the capitol is a variety of Christianity that calls upon the real God to condem America.

Maybe that's why his message is doing him more harm than good.

Left angle and Sen Obama socialism
From the Socialist party platform:
. We support a national health program with full standard and alternative medical, dental, vision, and mental health coverage for all, publicly funded through progressive taxation and controlled by democratically elected assemblies of health care workers and patients. The National Health Program should extend, and replace, Medicare and Medicaid.

Does that Sound like Sen Obama? Well how about....
The United States is the sole remaining global superpower. The U.S. government uses its overwhelming military power to consolidate its strategic hold over the entire world and to defend and advance the interests of U.S. owned corporations as they exploit the working people and natural resources of the entire planet. We stand in total opposition to U.S. imperialism and the current “war on terror” which is just another subterfuge for U.S. imperialism.

2. We call for the United States to immediately and unconditionally withdraw its forces from Iraq and Afghanistan.
3. We call for an end to the U.S. occupation of the province of Guantanamo, Cuba.

Not convinced yet? how about...
We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax

We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale

Those are all planks in the Socialist party's web page and are all mainstays of Sen Obama's campaign.

Source is http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/

Everyone has an opinion but "Facts" speak for themselves. Now while Sen Obama may not call himself a Socialist/Communist his views and the policies he wants are a lot closer to them then I am comftorable with.

Tinsldr2@yahoo.com
Hi Anne don't you like watching them squirm when the light of truth is shined on them?

Tinsdr2: Yup! But it far more frustratin

since they JUST WON'T do their homework....


Watch this... :-) BRB





Left Angle... Read this...
http://obamaism.blogspot.com/

Part 1 – Obama's Ties to Socialism, Marxism, and Communism

1. Obama's Father Wrote About Socialism - His father wrote a paper called "Problems With Our Socialism" that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land. Source: Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit

2. Obama's Mother Was a "Communist Sympathizer" - " Friends describe her as a "fellow traveler", that is, a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007, Chicago Tribune report" Source: Spengler, Asia Times "The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics - Barack Obama" Source: Tim Jones, Chicago Tribune

3. Obama's Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist USSR) - "His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (her father always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class" Source: Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times

Cont.

Left Angle... Read this...Pt. 2
4. Obama's Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member) - "...through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just Frank." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "Kathryn Takara of the University of Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attended Punahou prep school in Hawaii from 1975 to 1979"

5. Obama's Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists - "Barack Obama's older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama. He is a Luo activist. militant Muslim and a Marxist." Source: Barbara Busby, 180people.com “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy Source: Bill Sammon, The Examiner "Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country" Source: Invenstor's Business Daily


Cont.

Left Angle... Read this...Pt. 3
6. Obama Attended Socialist Conferences at Cooper Union - "He went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he'd become "one of those freaks you see on the streets around here." Source: H Kennedy, NY Daily News

7. Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her in the Illinois State Senate - "Nine years before Palmer picked Obama to be her successor, she was the only African-American journalist to travel to the Soviet Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People's Daily World, June 19, 1986."

8. Obama's Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers' and Bernardine Dorhn's Chicago Home - Ayers and Dorhn are former terrorists from the Weather Underground who's SDS organization received financial contributions from the CPUSA. "Obama's run for the Illinois state Senate was launched by a fundraiser organized at Ayers' and Dorhn's Chicago home by Alice Palmer. Palmer had named Obama to succeed her in the state Senate in 1995, when she decided to run for a U.S. congressional seat."

9. Obama Had a Close Relationship with the "Anti-Capitalist" Group ACORN - "Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn)...Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance...Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Source: Stanley Kurtz, National Review

Cont.

Left Angle: You paying attention?

Are you reading these posts or are you just being ignorant.....

There's PLENTY MORE where this came from...







Left Angle... Read this...Pt. 4
10. Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialists in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them - "Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "In its broadest sense, democratic socialism could refer to any attempts to bring about socialism through democratic means as opposed to violent insurrection."

11. Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders - Video " "Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate." Source: Wikipedia

12. Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guervara - Obama Campaign Worker Seen With Communist Cuba Flag Depicting Marxist Che Guevara on it. Source: David Benzion, Lone Star Times

"Guevara later served as Minister of Industries, in which post he helped formulate Cuban socialism...Guevara played a key role in bringing to Cuba the Soviet nuclear-armed ballistic missiles that precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962. During an interview with the British newspaper Daily Worker some weeks later, he stated that, if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them against major U.S. cities." Source: Wikipedia


Left Angle... Read this...Pt. 5
More "Che" fans from Obama's site:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/CjjF
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGJKjv
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGB5hc
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/CLmp
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGGMQB
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gG5SSr
http://my.barackobama.com/page/commu...t/marisela/BV3
http://illinois.barackobama .com/pa...rd/public/CC8v
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gYQqz
http://nevada.barackobama.c om/page.../public/gGVCjm
http://iowa.barackobama.com /page/c...up/IowaHQ/CJQ3
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGNXhB
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGv3LW

Cont.

Assuming you understand the...
...definition of the word, Left Angle, what part of my statement eludes you?

Leftist politicians don't use those words to describe their agenda because to do so would be suicidal. Their opponents certainly can't use them because to do so would cause hysterical accusations of "McCarthyism", "hateful smears", "fear-mongering". The words themselves are political minefields. Nevertheless, that doesn't change the truth behind them.


Left Angle... Read this...Pt. 6
13. The Communist Party USA Endorsed Obama - "Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election." Source: CPUSA Website (This line has since been removed from the CPUSA website) - Search for this quote. Also see THIS post on the CPUSA blog

From the blog: "Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama - This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency...We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people! Source: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama Source: Aaron Klein, WorldNetDaily

14. Obama's Church is Rooted in Liberation Theology which is Rooted in Marxism - " The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology" Source: TUCC Website "Simply put, Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950's when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life." Source: gotquestions.org

15. Obama's Opening Band - The band that opened for Obama's Oregon rally (The Decemberists) is named after an 1825 revolt over the Imperial Russian succession (Decembrist revolt) that Meloy views as an attempted communist revolution. They also open many of their shows by playing the Soviet National Anthem... Source: Jeff Johnson, OneNewsNow Source: Jerome R. Corsi, WorldNetDaily Source: Oleg Atbashian, Pajamasmedia

Tinsidr/Anne
Tinsdr:

I got a question for you, who is Brian Moore?

you still havent proven there is some socialist plot to take over the government by obama.

Anne: guilt by association means absolutly nothing.

Left Angle... Read this...Pt. 7
Part 2 - Barack and Michelle's Socialist, Marxist, and Communist Quotes

"They don't want the whole pie," she told the women. "There are some who do, but most Americans feel blessed just being able to thrive a little bit. But that is becoming even more out of reach. If we don't wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership, for how we want this country to work, then we won't get universal health care. The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more."
- Michelle Obama

"So we're going to provide a $4,000 tuition credit, every student, every year, but, students, you're going to have to give back something in return. You're going to have to participate in community service. You're going to have to work in a homeless shelter, or a veteran's home, or an underserved school, or join the Peace Corps." - Barack Obama

So he wants to make "every student, every year" an employee of the state? And is this another step towards socializing higher education?

"And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiments as a way to explain their frustrations" - Barack Obama

Karl Marx famously claimed that religion was an opiate of the masses. He was explaining his view that the wealthy bourgeoise cynically used religion as a device to keep the poor, simple proletariat happy in their misery and squalor so they would find it immoral to rise up and overthrow their capitalists oppressors.


"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," - Barack Obama

Hmm, is this quote for Marxist or Fascist? I can't decide...

Doing Homework and informed voters
Anne, if the leftist and libs did the research and informed themselves instead of starting from positions of prejudice and ignorance they wouldn't be called Democrats and Socialists.

If they were INFORMED citizens they would be called Conservative and Republicans.

Just my opinion :)

Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

Anne: a question
WHO is Brian Moore?

Obama's DNC Speech
I understand that BHO is going to give a speech of substance, rather than his usual drivel. He is going to tell the middle class how he will make our lives better. Well Barry, here is how you can make this middle class person's life better:
1.) Cut taxes - not just for the middle class, but for everyone. Better yet support Congressman Linder's HR-25, the Fair Tax.
2.) Make the federal government smaller than it currently is. No more earmarks, no more entitlements. Cut government waste and abuse.
3.) Keep in mind that the number one job of the federal government is to keep this nation safe from invasion and attacks. That means a strong military. Peace through superior fire power! Forget the fence along our southern border, it won't work. We need to have the national guard along the entire border turning invaders away. If our military cannot get enough volunteers, re-instate the draft.

Geeze Left Angle: Look it up,

for Pete's sake! Ugh!

That's part of your problem... You don't do your homework! You just listen to what you think "sounds" good, and don't look any further.




Left Angle... Here's more...Pt. 7
"It’s because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation." - Barack Obama

"The great task before our founders was putting into practice the ideal that government could simultaneously serve liberty and advance the common good. and Government, he believed, had an important role to play in advancing our common prosperity." - Barack Obama

Collective? Common prosperity? "the ultimate goal of socialism is common prosperity" Source: Yang Chungui, The Marxist

"I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

"Political discussions, the kind at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union" - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

Nothing more to say here...

"Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness." - Barack Obama

No, not because it would increase revenue, but for "fairness". Yes that's right...punish success...


back to the 60's
Obamasiah's remarks are a throwback to the 60's. The Peanuts cartoon: Remember Linus's talking to Lucie--"I love humanitty. It's people I can't stand." Likewise, Obamasiah loves humanity. It's just newborns and Americans he can't stand.

Left Angle: Marxism and Abortion, cont.


• According to Albury, “Material conditions of life change, and so do moral values.” This means that, to a Marxist, the unborn baby may be a human being for a time, but may then become depersonified and rendered ‘pre-human,’ all because his or her mother began to think differently about him or her. She adds: “Certainly, many women experience mixed feelings; the fantasy baby may even appear for a while. Women can tell it goodbye forever.”

Dr. John Whitehall, who reported these statements to the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade in his article “Marx and the Unborn Baby,” (September 15, 1988), commented on Albury’s conclusions by saying, “The inhumanity of communism resides in this arbitrary assessment of human life, which is based on the Marxist valuation of certain social relationships. On this basis, millions have been told ‘goodbye’ – from the purges of Russia, to the genocide in Cambodia, to the killings in the Philippines, and now to the unborn baby.” Russia, to the genocide in Cambodia, to the killings in the Philippines, and now to the unborn baby.”

Anne
Excellent homework you have done and provided to Left Angle. You are on top of the gane here and we all appreciate it very much. Left Angle is just a troll and he loves to stir things up (typical looney left). The facts and sources of the facts that you have provided will just get ignored by ole Lefty because the those trolls, facts do not mean a thing, only their left wing talking points and propaganda mean anything to them.

You are awesome though, you go girl!

anne:I know who Brian Moore is and
he isnt barack obama.

so let me get this straight anne about obaman

obama is actually a closet dictator with close ties to radical islamofascist such as osama bin laden and hamas. he is also associated with radical u.s. leftist such as louis farakahn, rev wright, william ayers and others. what they all have in common is they hate america and want to destroy it. if obama is elected he along with the clintons, pelosi and reid have
a secret plan of installing him as dictator,
converting the u.s. system of government to one of marxist socialism/communism to replace democratic captialism. the republican party will be outlawed, its leaders/followers killed or exiled.

did i get it right?

Tinsldr: So Left Angle is either.....

doing some serious reading....

or

he's run off with his hands over his ears, shouting, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU... La La La La ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU, La La La La......"


What's your bet???

Anne: One More thing
Don't you think it would be a GOOD IDEA to e-mail all that RESEARCH you did on Obama and the dems over to FOX NEWS, The RNC and most importantly THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN?

I'm sure they could put it to GOOD USE...

ROTFLMAO

answer to left angle
brian moore is the Soc party nominee, and while Sen Obamas associations alone don't prove his socialist leanings when coupled with his POSITIONS there is no denying where he stands.

His Associations especially in his formative years do have a lot to do with his core values. All Socialist and or anti-american in my opinion.

Can you deny his positions?

Kathy: Thanks. I just found a really

good site that explained it better than I could.

Of course Loony Angle is a troll, but you never know who is actually reading (LOTS of people read but don't have accounts to post) so it's always helpful just to have the info there...

There really are people who read it with an open mind, even if Loony Angle doesn't.

Thanks again.. :-)

So Much for Left Angle
He'll not come back - his brain exploded when Anne compared Obama's platform to the Socialist party platform and he saw the congruence!

Left Angle: Don't be a fool!

I never said that! So don't be a complete idiot and try to put words in my mouth...

But do read this...

"The American people will never knowingly
adopt Socialism. But under the name of
'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of
the Socialist program, until one day
America will be a Socialist nation,
without knowing how it happened."

~ Norman Thomas, leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

And if you bothered to read any of Ret. Geek's posts, you know what Thomas was intending....

STOP being a troll... The only time you're wasting is YOURS!


TIN2: riddle me this..
Why would the Socialist Party have their OWN POTUS nominee in Brian Moore instead of just endorsing Democratic nominee Obama if their platforms are as "similar" as you stated they are?

also consider this..

elements of socialism, communism, fascism and monarchy and dictatorial governace are ALREADY
In the U.S. government system. they represent the left and the right and they were put in there by BOTH parties, not just one and they FUND THEM year after year after year. if those elements were so damaging to the u.s why havent they been eliminated.?

Anne
I'm surprised at you. You told a liberal to stop being a fool. You might as well tell a goat to stop stinking.

zeeZ Left Angle Give it Up
Anne has provided you with more than enough information and facts and sources of where those facts came from. Just because you refuse to believe that your precious Obama and Demoncrat party could be trying to usher in a socialist/communist/marxist type of tyranny doesn't make any of what Anne provided not true.

I also provided you earlier with links to the Declaration and Constitution. Did you bother to enlighten yourself with what America is truly about yet? Bet ya didn't. You are too busy trying to argue with everyone.

Now sit down and take a time out and maybe if you are a really good boy for 5 minutes you can have a cookie.

anne: seriously
a question

If you e-mailed all of your "research" on Obama and the dems over to the RNC, FOXNews and the McCain campaign exactly WHAT do you think they would do you think they would do with it?

Left Angle is EXACTLY what Dr. Kyle

Rossiter, a leading, and well respected psychiatrist, was talking about in his book,


"The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness."


Rossiter's book is more of "clinical" take on Savage's book, "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder."








Left Angle
Much of the information that Anne provided for you has already been reported on Fox News and the RNC is aware of it as well. They will use it when they need to use it, like after the DNC and RNC conventions. That is when things will really heat up and your precious Golden Boy will implode even further.

And you have not been good for 5 minutes so you do not get a cookie, I'm giving the whole box to Anne.

BTW, Are you a Communist News Network (CNN) watcher? Just wondered

Anne: a response..
for all of your postings you still havent proven one iota that there is some sinister plot by obama and the democratic congressional leadership to try to convert the u.s. government from a system of capitalism to marxist, socialism/communism. cicumstantial evidence proves nothing. show me the plot in detail, in writing.

Ken & Kathy:

Ken...
I know.. "Fool" in pretty much embedded I think.


Kathy...
I suspect that Loony Angle is one of those who if (heaven forbid!) Marxist Obama is elected and we end up with SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE, and LA ends up waiting MONTHS and MONTHS for health care (assuming he doesn't DIE first) and then the government health care system says,


"Oh, so sorry my Loony Angle, we don't cover what you have...."

Or... "Sorry Loony Angle, you're too od to treat"

or "You haven't been leading a healthy lifestyle, so no health care for you..."


Then the idiot will be saying, "OH crap, they were right...."





kathy..I doubt that seriously..
the only places on heres all that "marxist/communist socialist" conspiracy theory bs is right here in places like th.
where right wing "fringe" lunatics like yourselves hang out.

FOX NEWS, The RNC and the McCain campaign dont use any of that bs because they dont want to EMBARRASS themselves and it would make them
look foolish.

lets bet on if they use it or not..because I know i will win as will obama.

LA has the "audacity" to write:


"for all of your postings you still havent proven one iota that there is some sinister plot by obama and the democratic congressional leadership to try to convert the u.s. government from a system of capitalism to marxist, socialism/communism."

Okay! That's it. LA just proved, beyond a shaddow of a doubt that he is either truly STUPID.. I mean an IQ in single digits, .... or.... he is BRAIN WASHED....





cicumstantial evidence proves nothing. show me the plot in detail, in writing.

Okay LA, Explain why anyone

would make it a point... a purpose... to meet and get to know and made only Communists and Marxists "mentors?"


You do know what a mentor is, don't you?


The silliness of left angle


left angle said "TIN2: riddle me this..
Why would the Socialist Party have their OWN POTUS nominee in Brian Moore instead of just endorsing Democratic nominee Obama if their platforms are as "similar" as you stated they are?"

Notice he didn't deny the positions of Sen Obama were the same as the Socialist party. Because he can't. Notice he doesn't challenge annes associations that she laid out, because he can't.

Ron Paul very much supported libertarian positions and platform policies. However he ran as a Republican and Barr is the Libertarian nominee. The fact that Sen Obama has socialist ideas and philosophies does not mean he is a member of the socialist party.

There is however, no denying the influencers, associations and positions of Sen Obama. His message at its core is Socialist and like Mr Shapiro says, it doesn't resonate well with a lot of Americans.
Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

Tinsldr2: You're spot on, every point!

But LA is so typical, just like hal donahooey, and the others.... Either "cannot" or "will not" see the OBVIOUS.


And the funniest thing is when donahooey tries to tell me .... MOI!... that I don't know what Socialism or Marxism or Communism is... LOL

I think what I can't understand is how anyone who supports Marxist Obama and his ideas, actually claims to be an American!!!

An American citizen... perhaps, but certainly not a true AMERICAN who values our freedoms and liberties.








Anne Pummels the Loony Lefty
Great research Anne, but I fear Kathy is right. The Left never lets facts get in the way of its dogma, and right now they are focused on their savior and his grand plan to "change" America. Anyone who doubts his intentions I hope will read your Read This comments and take heed. We must stop this communist now and forever. It takes thought and research to learn what one needs to know, but the Left ALWAYS relies on it fuzzy "feelings" to make their decisions. Disaster on the horizon--let's get the word out and put a stop to the Obamazation of our great country.----------------------Jan

TH Commentor: You're right, the leftists

just cannot think for themselves, MUCH LESS let those pesky ol' FACTS get in the way...

Keep an eye out for posts by "Retired Geek" and "MyOpine" since they have some REALLY great information...

Retired Geek claims that he was intrigued by seeing my many, many posts calling Obama "Marxist Obama." But since then he's done an extraordinary research job.

I've learned even more from both Ret. Geek and MyOpine.

Watching the Dimwit Nationa Convention, I've been amazed at just how many clueless people there are.... all right there under own roof!


Lefty
Wow are you a dope, or perhaps you prefer being called what your apparent hero refered to as a Useful Idiot. I read the entire thread and no where did Anne make the assertion that BHO was plotting to overthrow the current government. Much like a good liberal, you construct some asinine straw man argument. Do us all a favor and take your straw man to the bathhouse you frequent and stop embarrassing yourself.

Have you never heard of insidiously inserting your philosophy through code names and intrepid dealings? Even the overt, out of the closet Marxist have acknowledged that they cannot attempt to force feed Americans Socialism. But somehow you expect everyone to believe BHO is sooo stupid that he is going to come out and state his real purpose.

Do yourself a favor. Read Saul Alinski's "Rules for Radicals". It reads like the Barack Obama campaign strategy. Even his newly cleansed and polished angry wife could not resist reciting the mantra...'The World As It Should Be'....My friend, that is Alinski to a tee. Even with superhuman effort, the DNC cannot hide Michelle and BHO's core beliefs. But I have no doubt they will continue to try.

PS: Anne, you rocked today. You gave a little boy a very serious thrashing. I suspect Child Protective Services or perhaps PETA may be picketing outside your door as we speak.

Sadly, Left Angle KNOWS in his HEART...
...that what he says is true. We should pity him, really. He and the millions of others like him who have been so tragically misled. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.


Bang! Bang! Bang!

That was the sound of the nail being hit squarely upon the head.

Dear Leader
We've had 4 years of a President who promised a modest foreign policy and fiscally prudent management and who has done just the opposite.

Now we have a candidate who promises to save the world with our tax dollars, and eschews fiscal prudence.

Scary.

Left Angle
Now I know why I am stuck with such horribly stupid representation here in Maryland. I am stuck with two idiots, Ben Cardin and Barbara Mikulski. I blame you Left angle. Did you ever think of relocating to N.J. or perhaps Delaware? Their politicians are on a par with Maryland's.. you'd be real happy.

And Anne....,save your breath, your typing fingers, and your time.It will not work.

Left Angle lives by the old maxim; When I works, I works HARD. When I sits, I sits loose...,and when I thinks I falls asleep.

False prophets
Obama and AlGore fit this description to a tee.
http://www.thebiblespeaks.com/FalseTeachings/beware.htm
One of the main reasons that leftists preach the "separation of church and state" that never appears in the Constitution. And fight like demons (pun intended) to keep religion out of the schools. Ben Shapiro nailed this one. Here's hoping Obama continues his success in spreading his "gospel".

Anne Your Argument is Irrevelant
your stating that Obama and dems are marxist/socialist/communist is your opinion
not a fact. your stating that the obama and the dems have some plan to slowly convert the u.s government from capitalism to marxist socialism/communism is your opinion not a fact.

At any rate your whole argument is a moot point because it is largely irrevelant. the average voter could care less about that nonsense. and more to the point the people that are running against him Sen. McCain and the RNC could care less about that bs. I have yet to hear Sen. McCain attack Sen. Obama for being a so-called Marxist Socialist or a Communist. I asked you what do you think they would do with your research if you e-mailed it to them? you didnt answer because you know more than likely they would put it in file#13 otherwise known as the trash can because it's basically useless.

If you think that running around behind obama and the dems shouting "marxist/communist/socialist" is the correct strategy to defeat them then good luck.
you can call me all the names you want to but I'm smart enough to know spreading lunatic rightwing conspiracy theories are a losing proposition and totally stupid strategy..

Obama is gonna win the potus and the dems will
maintain control of congress, then you can take your "marxist, communist socialist" mantra and lunatic right wing fringe conspiracy theories and shove em where the sun dont shine.

have a nice day.

Where the sun "don't" (sic) shine...
"Obama is gonna win the potus and the dems will
maintain control of congress, then you can take your "marxist, communist socialist" mantra and lunatic right wing fringe conspiracy theories and shove em where the sun dont shine."

It's tragic that your head is so deeply buried in that dark, fetid place, Left Angle. I guess if there's anything positive to be said for being "pro-choice", it is that a majority of those whose minds are as corrupted as your own will probably opt not to be "punished" with progeny.

red head: a response
I am very confident that Sen. Obama is going to
be elected potus and that dems will maintain control of congress. I am also confident that when this happens what they will accomplish in governance will be 100% BETTER for the U.S. after 8 years of the disastrous the Bush Cheney
administration and the FORMER Republican led Congress.

I'll leave to the right wing fringe such as yourself and ann to argue about irrevelant inanities as to whether obama and dems are "marxist, socialist/communist". the average
voter could care less about that nonsense.

You may be shocked to learn...
...just how much the "average" voter does care, Left Angle. You underestimate the depth of middle America's resentment toward the left. Hatred of the Bush administration was a creation of the Democratic party with the help of the establishment press. A 9% approval rating for the Democratically controlled congress is a reality even an airy-fairy such as yourself cannot ignore forever


Redhead: where the sun dont shine.
end of story.

It is a waste of time...
to discuss anything with a typical left-winger like Left angle. He is not interested in any facts you have presented. Ignore him and maybe his babbling incoherent post will cease.
Unfortunately, he has a closed mind like most hard core liberals. He refuses to consider the facts and resorts to name calling.
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